This is a very interesting take on how overrated and unnecessary they are.
Everything is killing us, you're not going to make it out of this world alive, so don't try to place the blame on my crossover that sits 4 inches higher than a regular car š
by Anonymous | reply 1 | September 14, 2023 11:07 PM |
This was me, a 5'3" adult crossing in a crosswalk once at night - my turn. He/she/it didn't seem to feel like stopping for me. My nose could have touched the top of the grill on that tank. Not happy. I stood there in the middle of the crosswalk and held up my arms as if to communicate WTF? They just shrugged.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | September 14, 2023 11:18 PM |
Not just killing us, but LITERALLY killing us!
by Anonymous | reply 3 | September 14, 2023 11:24 PM |
My RAV 4 is a delicate snowflake. It canāt get out of its own way. Plus it has sensors that go off if something is in frontā¦also I know how to drive.
As for gas mileage, the brand new Chevy Malibu I rented on vacation sucked up more gas than the RAV.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | September 14, 2023 11:31 PM |
I love my 2005 SUV RX 330.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | September 14, 2023 11:42 PM |
When I see these massive vehicles I tend to think gas prices are too low.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | September 15, 2023 12:06 AM |
Thank you OP. If only more people would listen. Just like I thought, the auto industry pretty much foisted them upon us, knowing full well that they weren't really safer or even roomier (!), but because of the profit margins. Clever, as this is capitalism at work, but also mercenary.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | September 15, 2023 12:14 AM |
The bigger the SUV, the smaller the cock
by Anonymous | reply 8 | September 15, 2023 12:16 AM |
It's fascinating how uncomfortable "luxury" SUVs are in comparison to luxury sedans and station wagons.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | September 15, 2023 12:42 AM |
I have a luxury crossover that's fast, comfortable and pretty good on gas. I have a nice size dick and I know how to use it, but I don't do guys who don't like cars or make silly assumptions about cars and their drivers š
by Anonymous | reply 10 | September 15, 2023 12:48 AM |
fantastic video, r10!
by Anonymous | reply 11 | September 15, 2023 2:19 AM |
[quote] I have a nice size dick and I know how to use it
R10 Ooh, enchanteĆ©! š
As for the topic at hand...I also have a luxury crossover that's quick, comfy, and fairly fuel-efficient.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | September 15, 2023 2:24 AM |
Of course I would ditch the RAV for an Audi wagon but thatās not happening for a while.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | September 15, 2023 2:26 AM |
I live in an urban neighborhood with very little off street parking. I have lived here since 1998. It has been quite the transition to watch it go from an area where there was rarely an issue with finding a parking space because many people didn't have cars (8 blocks from the core downtown shopping area,) and the cars that people did have were small. Over the last 25 years, most subcompacts have been discontinued, sedans have expanded, and cross-overs, SUVs, and huge pickups have taken over the neighborhood, taking up WAY more space.
In addition, they moved the bike lane from the left of the parking lane (outside of the door zone) to the right of the parking lane. This "protected" bike lane is directly in the door zone, and is more difficult to enter and exit mid block, due to the parked cars between the traffic lanes and the parking lane, plus the stanchions that mark the lane (I live on a one-way street, and the bike lane is on the far side from me.)
Moving the parking lane out to the far side of the bike lane also makes it more difficult to see oncoming traffic from cross-streets, especially as the parked vehicles become taller and taller. This results in cars pulling out across the bike lane, blocking it as they wait until they feel safe to turn onto my street, or cross through the intersection.
Small city cars for urban neighborhoods that are easy to parallel park seem to be a thing of the past. The Smartcar wasn't a great all around car, but it was great for trips through the downtown area, and was so incredibly easy to park.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | September 15, 2023 2:37 AM |
Love this guys channel and I think I've posted this in a thread before. I drive for instacart/DD/etc. and my list of grievances about American traffic norms is about a mile long. These trucks are a fucking disgrace, you should absolutely be required to show some kind of proof or evidence that you have legitimate hauling or offroading needs. Half of the drivers of these behemoths are psychopathic sadists intent on making sure everyone knows they're the big bully on the road.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | September 15, 2023 2:54 AM |
Someone please tell this to the Muslim headgear-wearing women driving the hugest ones on the roads and through intersection STOP signs and traffic lights like maniacs while gabbing away on their handheld cellphones and with their kiddie brigades filling up all the seats around and bheind them, as if there were actually a thoroughfare and surrounding pedestrians to pay attention to. Who got them their licenses, Helen Keller? And their huge vehicles, Chrissy Metz?!
by Anonymous | reply 16 | September 15, 2023 3:30 AM |
R15 because of their small dicks
by Anonymous | reply 17 | September 15, 2023 5:12 AM |
I never wanted an SUV, crossover, or pickup. Nothing against them, but happy with my sedan - don't need to be seated higher, and like the easier maneuverability and mpg. Then I became a homeowner, and I really wish I would have bought a medium SUV or small pickup before prices went through the roof. There is SO much shit that I get for the house that doesn't fit in my sedan.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | September 15, 2023 5:23 AM |
^ That's the other thing I like about my crossover, I don't often need all the space, but I never think twice about how I'm going to get something home. I just fold down the seats and everything short of a refrigerator or sofa fits easily š
by Anonymous | reply 19 | September 15, 2023 6:03 AM |
A few years ago I was crossing on a pedestrian crossing and one of these huge SUVs nearly ran over me because she was looking the other way. I was in front of her car but managed to run/jump backwards (fuck knows how) and she swiped my body with the side of her tank as she went past still looking the other way. She didn't even notice and just kept going. The other cars behind her stopped and people got out to see if I was ok and needed medical attention. I think many of them thought I was a goner. Where I live, if you hit someone on a pedestrian crossing you may as well just throw your drivers licence away. It's very bad. This happened in a large city - not a rural area. So that was one of my experiences with SUVs.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | September 15, 2023 6:43 AM |
[quote] There is SO much shit that I get for the house that doesn't fit in my sedan.
Won't the need to bring home large stuff stop, at some point?
by Anonymous | reply 21 | September 15, 2023 6:47 AM |
A few years ago I was crossing on a pedestrian crossing and one of these little Smart For Two mini cars nearly ran me over so I kicked it like a bad puppy and it started to whimper and ran off as I yelled, ""Bad dog, go home!"
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by Anonymous | reply 22 | September 15, 2023 9:16 AM |
R20 this happened to me too. Crossing the street at a green light when this massive Yukon Denali came bouncing around the corner. I had to step back. This happened several years ago. I donāt think that the driver even saw me.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | September 15, 2023 9:59 AM |
It was quite a while ago now, but I worked at the State Roads Authority and had access, among other things, to its safety data.
Regarding small children run over and killed by cars reversing in their own driveways, 100% of the offending vehicles were SUVs. That's why they hastened to put reversing cameras and alerts on the side mirrors on the things.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | September 15, 2023 10:18 AM |
@r21 "Won't the need to bring home large stuff stop, at some point? "
No, because then you have to buy new big stuff to replace the old big stuff
by Anonymous | reply 25 | September 15, 2023 10:31 AM |
Do you think adding emojis to your arguments improves your argument R2? It doesnāt. Youāre probably typing them while driving, swerving in annd out or your lane and barreling down on some poor unsuspecting pedestrian in your enormous wanker-mobile.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | September 15, 2023 12:09 PM |
^ Who are you talking to?
by Anonymous | reply 27 | September 15, 2023 12:20 PM |
Big SUVs have now become the most sold new vehicles in Europe, thanks to these shitty trends coming over from the US and because they have better margins than smaller cars. But the moment China tries selling affordable regular-sized cars to us, our carmakers start screaming bloody murder and calling for protectionist measures.
Our roads and parking places were not designed for these gaudy vehicles, this blows.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | September 15, 2023 1:15 PM |
Sorry R27, R10
by Anonymous | reply 29 | September 15, 2023 1:34 PM |
I can relate to R2 because it's happened to me multiple times as a pedestrian. But R1 sounds like exactly the type of entitled, small-dick-energy asshole who can't bother coming to a complete stop while driving a tank down a residential street because he can't see pedestrians from his stupid truck.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | September 15, 2023 1:52 PM |
I have a 16 year old Prius that I can fit a 10 foot surfboard inside. No need for a SUV, crossover, or truck. Plus the gas milage is great.
I'm surprised that Europe is embracing larger cars, as a lot of roads and parking spaces in lots are tiny.- we were in southern spain in 5 different cites, with a normal sized car and Austin Powering a lot of parking spaces in the garages.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | September 15, 2023 1:54 PM |
Interesting that several of us have called them "tanks".
Also interesting that several have had the same experiences on pedestrian crossings. I wonder how many people are killed like that? I was pretty lucky as I would have gone under her car and she did hit me with the side of the bonnet and then the side of the car. I still remember how hard it felt. She didn't run my legs or feet over thankfully. I was very lucky. An older person who wasn't as fast would have been killed.
The driver didn't even notice.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | September 15, 2023 2:10 PM |
I wish more pedestrians would "stand their ground" and yell "I feel threatened" and shoot the asshole drivers who run lights and ignore traffic rules. I mean, fuck, you can shoot a driver who turns around in your driveway or someone who accidently knocks on your door, why not drivers who roll through stop signs?
Floridaās law states āa person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.ā
Laws in at least 28 states and Puerto Rico allow that there is no duty to retreat an attacker in any place in which one is lawfully present. (Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and West Virginia Wyoming.)
by Anonymous | reply 33 | September 15, 2023 2:22 PM |
as a cyclist I totally agree
by Anonymous | reply 34 | September 15, 2023 2:22 PM |
Bush 2003 tax cut gave 1 100k tax break for gas guzzlers, and ZERO for e-cars, and then in 2014 congress upped it to 500k for ANY giant vehicle.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | September 15, 2023 2:43 PM |
OP- The ONLY thing that is good for the enviornment is living in a community that does not necessitate the need for a vehicle( or even a public conveyance) to begin with. Where one can walk EVERYWHERE- job,school, doctor, supermarket, park, visiting friends.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | September 15, 2023 2:50 PM |
@r28, "Big SUVs have now become the most sold new vehicles in Europe, thanks to these shitty trends coming over from the US"
Leave it to Europe to copy every American trend then bitch about it
by Anonymous | reply 37 | September 15, 2023 3:32 PM |
@r29... Screw you š
- r10 š
by Anonymous | reply 38 | September 15, 2023 3:33 PM |
I'm with r31, I have a 2009 Prius that I love. I live in Tesla and SUV Land, but I keep reminding myself that no one has their vehicles paid off yet except for me.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | September 15, 2023 5:03 PM |
I'm tired of the tanks. I've seen a few just barrel into left turns as if to say, "I'm the biggest here, adjust"!
by Anonymous | reply 40 | September 15, 2023 5:20 PM |
I like compact, unique crossovers like the previous generation of the Kia Sportage or the Mazda CX-30. They have carlike features like the ride and handling. Or a Volvo CC wagon. They are basically jacked wagons. But it stops there.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | September 15, 2023 5:26 PM |
I hate to break it to you, but many obnoxious big-truck/SUV drivers actually have nice, non-small dicks. At this point, it's SUVs and trucks are such a norm that it's not even much of a macho statement, unless someone really goes huge, bling-y, and tricked out - but you even see those all the time.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | September 15, 2023 9:33 PM |
[quote] The ONLY thing that is good for the enviornment is living in a community that does not necessitate the need for a vehicle( or even a public conveyance) to begin with. Where one can walk EVERYWHERE- job,school, doctor, supermarket, park, visiting friends
A funny thing happened on the way to creating a āwalkableā town. A village decided it was the perfect place for boomers to retire. A small town with a small harbor. One block of the village was gentrified with restaurants and a bake shop. The next block over was a little sketchy, but it had some businesses.
āI know! Weāll build apartment buildings all along that area!ā
Ok, so they start tearing down houses, old shops, they just pulled down a seafood restaurant that was there for 30 years. Theyāre building apartments like crazy. But the apartments are making the rest of the village real estate prices go sky high.
So what happened?
Businesses can no longer afford rents. The businesses shut down. Restaurants have shut down. The only supermarket in the village shut down. The supermarket right outside of town closed down. Now there is no walkable supermarket, nor even a supermarket thatās a short drive away.
McDonaldās even closed down.
And rents are outrageous in all the new apartments. Itās about $2200 for a one bedroom. And there isnāt enough parking for all the new apartment buildings because people werenāt supposed to need cars because everything was supposed to be āwalkable.ā But thereās almost no place to walk to, except CVS.
Late stage capitalism, folks. Itās all about using money to make more money for those who already have money. And boomers arenāt paying $2200 for a one bedroom apartment, plus having to maintain 2 cars. Theyāve paid off their houses. Why sell their paid off house to live in an inconvenient place thatās far more expensive than just staying where they are?
by Anonymous | reply 43 | September 15, 2023 9:36 PM |
Letās start a grass roots movement right here on Datalounge! End the tyranny of SUVs and crossovers! Stop buying them! Donāt drink the Koolaid!
by Anonymous | reply 44 | September 15, 2023 9:44 PM |
[quote]I wish more pedestrians would "stand their ground" and yell "I feel threatened" and shoot the asshole drivers who run lights and ignore traffic rules.
You first.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | September 15, 2023 9:46 PM |
Walkable downtowns died in the 1970s when women went to work. Women wanted to be able to pick up kids, groceries and whatever else on the way home, so they had to drive. That meant they had to park, so malls were born, with plentiful parking and even more stuff you might want to pick up on the way home (dry cleaning, etc).
Now men buy SUVs for their wives and kids, believing that it's the best way of protecting them on the roads, particularly if they think their wives are dodgy drivers, which many do. The fact that this must endanger others doesn't feature.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | September 16, 2023 2:31 PM |
Yeah that's right, blame the women for that.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | September 16, 2023 3:55 PM |
[quote] particularly if they think their wives are dodgy drivers, which many do
Women are far safer drivers than men.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | September 16, 2023 4:29 PM |
Proof r48?
by Anonymous | reply 49 | September 17, 2023 1:59 AM |
I have fastback car with fold down seats. I never have a problem with cargo.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | September 17, 2023 2:40 AM |
^ You need more stuff... Otherwise if you die nobody here will want your stuff š
by Anonymous | reply 51 | September 17, 2023 10:43 AM |
r25 had changes in their neighborhood in 25 years!
omg!
by Anonymous | reply 52 | September 17, 2023 11:12 AM |
^ I'm r25 and I have no idea what you just said š
by Anonymous | reply 53 | September 17, 2023 11:15 AM |
Youāre about 25 years too late with this thread. But good luck changing anything. šš
by Anonymous | reply 54 | September 17, 2023 11:27 AM |
Bike lanes are more dangerous than any car. People on bikes REFUSE to cede to pedestrians. I almost got run over by a bitch on a Citibike who wanted to roar through a crosswalk when I had the light, and she grumbled at me like I was supposed to give her the right of way.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | September 17, 2023 11:39 AM |
Most cyclists donāt obey traffic rules. Running red lights, cutting off cars. They recently created bike lanes in my South Philadelphia neighborhood and it has fucked up traffic during rush hours.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | September 17, 2023 12:46 PM |
Whenever I see one of those tanks roll by with a bubba inside I always think, āSorry about your Dickā!
by Anonymous | reply 57 | September 17, 2023 12:52 PM |
^ Then Bubba whips it out and slaps you silly š
by Anonymous | reply 58 | September 17, 2023 3:02 PM |
[quote]Proof [R48]?
Any road crash statistics you care to look up that are organised by gender, with the possible exception of pedestrian deaths, will show you women are much better drivers than men. Many men prioritise things like getting to their destination 3 minutes faster, not letting anyone cut in front of you and how fast you can start up when the lights go green: women tend to prioritize survival, thus earning the contempt of said men, but surely the best driver is the one who lives to tell the tale. (Yes, young women are driving more aggressively these days, but trust me, they've got a loooonnngg way to go to catch up statistically.)
I was not blaming women for the closure of downtowns. I was pointing out the sociological factors that meant it was inevitable once women went to work. You could put it this way: male oppression was the reason downtowns were so successful for so long, because they exist for people who have plenty of time for shopping, which in those days was only women and retirees.
They may even rise once more if everyone keeps working from home half the week.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | September 28, 2023 12:07 PM |
People got ginormous in America. Ain't no way these 400 lb mastodons going to fit in a Dodge Neon.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | September 28, 2023 12:15 PM |
OP, this channel is great and I wish more people knew about it. Thanks for sharing! More people should visit Strongtowns.org. FYI, I think some of the most depressing pictures are the "before and after" pics of American cities before and after Urban Renewal. Take a small city like Dayton, Ohio. It looks like complete shit now but it was stunning not too long ago.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | September 28, 2023 12:25 PM |
Iāve noticed that drivers canāt seem to make a sharp right turn in these large SUVs. The right turns are wide and I have to stop short at a stop sign so they can make the turn.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | September 28, 2023 12:37 PM |
I drive a 2017 Toyota Camry LE- jealous bitches?
by Anonymous | reply 64 | September 28, 2023 12:46 PM |
Being an elderly person, I have seen trends become big and disappear. There used to be "the" car, say a Chevy or Ford: 2 door coupe, 2 door hardtop (pillarlesss), 4 door same, convertible and station wagon. All they sold were variation of given one car. There are no longer any of the Thunderbird-type or Celica cars. I drive a hybrid midsize car presently. I may have to go to some kind of SUV next. Both the sedans and my ability to get in and out of keep getting lower.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | September 28, 2023 12:50 PM |
[quote]I may have to go to some kind of SUV next. Both the sedans and my ability to get in and out of keep getting lower.
I drove a Toyota Camry for 20 years and would have bought another one this year when it came time for a new car. But I moved up to a RAV4 precisely because it's easier for my parents to get in and out of it when I'm shepherding them to doctors' appointments and such.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | September 28, 2023 1:00 PM |
I once saw an Expedition Excursion Suburban Denali vehicle knock down a hapless Chinese grandma like she was a bowling pin.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | September 28, 2023 1:13 PM |
Iām just sick of seeing them on the streets! My own protests are like a candle burning in the wind not unlike OP but the only thing I can do is to not buy one. I havenāt owned a car since the early 00ās.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | September 28, 2023 5:25 PM |
Another good article about the uselessness of SUVs
by Anonymous | reply 69 | October 29, 2023 5:12 PM |
I hate when they can't make a right turn but have to swing out to the left like a semi. Those Denalis are grotesquely huge and can barely fit into a parking space. Very popular with the soccer fraus here. I'm assuming they can throw the brats in the back and seal them off with their electronic parent while mom yacks on her phone.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | October 29, 2023 5:28 PM |
I have a Sonic hatchback. It's enough cargo space for me, and my 5'1" frame doesn't have to jump to get into it.
Unfortunately, driving on highways is very difficult because I get caught in the 'draft' of the tanks that surround me.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | October 29, 2023 7:00 PM |
How else is Elderlez going to carry around her cane collection?
by Anonymous | reply 72 | October 29, 2023 7:10 PM |
What happened to all the humvees from the George Bush II era? I never see them on the road
by Anonymous | reply 73 | October 29, 2023 7:13 PM |
Where have all the Humvees gone? Long time passing. Where have all the Azteks gone? Long time ago. Where have all the Daihatsu Rocky's gone? The girls have picked them every one. Wait, what Oh, When will you ever learn? Oh, When will you ever learn?
by Anonymous | reply 74 | October 29, 2023 7:17 PM |
Gotta love the huge dualies that are hiked up so high the driver needs a ladder to get into them. These fucking redneck assholes should be killed.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | October 29, 2023 7:53 PM |
My 2015 Honda Fit has tons of room, is very economical, and fun. There's no need for these giant vehicles.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | October 29, 2023 8:20 PM |
a "crossover," r76.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | October 29, 2023 8:26 PM |
I have a 2023 Bolt EUV and I love the thing. It's a small x over and has more than enough room.for my needs.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | October 29, 2023 8:32 PM |
I canāt stand huge pickup trucks UNLESS the driver actually use a truck to haul stuff for their occupation.
And the majority of bullying on roads is committed by the redneck asshats who drive these hideous vehicles.
And the purposely noisy ones can go to hell. Ugh! Fucking little boys terrorizing everyone.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | October 29, 2023 9:03 PM |
Their greater mass makes for slower acceleration and longer braking distances, their longer wheelbase means they canāt turn as tightly as smaller vehicles, and their higher center of gravity makes them more prone to a rollover. You may have a better chance of surviving an accident in an SUV, but youāre more likely to get in one.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | October 29, 2023 10:01 PM |
R76 I was surprised at how roomy Fits are. It sucks Honda stopped making them. Great city cars.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | October 30, 2023 12:19 AM |
Supposedly carmakers lose money on small cars. They usually build them to meet CAFE requirements in America. In Europe fuel has never been cheap so smaller vehicles make more sense to own. I have met Europeans who were truly appalled by how large and garish US cars were in the 80s and 90s. And this was AFTER The Great Downsizing we had.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | October 30, 2023 1:01 AM |
R81, not just city. We take a 4-5k road trip in the fall. We carry everything but the kitchen sink.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | October 30, 2023 3:00 PM |
My old boss has a GMC Sierra pickup. No boat, no side hustle that requires a truck. No wife and kids (not gay, just nerdy and uptight af) He just wanted one.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | October 30, 2023 3:03 PM |
They all pretty much do look alike. To compensate for this, they give them ugly grilles and stupid tack-ons like floating roofs. Floating roofs are questionable on sedans and plain old ugly on these giant boxes.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | November 2, 2023 6:53 PM |
What is a floating roof?
by Anonymous | reply 86 | November 2, 2023 7:02 PM |