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9/11: The 22nd Anniversary

The sky was so blue…

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by Anonymousreply 223October 2, 2023 9:58 PM

You're two days early, whore, and not in a cute way.

by Anonymousreply 1September 9, 2023 6:17 PM

ok, is one day prior ok with the DL gods?

by Anonymousreply 2September 10, 2023 7:52 PM

Has anyone mentioned an insatiable bottom?

by Anonymousreply 3September 10, 2023 7:56 PM

I forgot.

by Anonymousreply 4September 10, 2023 8:01 PM

I surfed the rubble all the way down from the 400th floor.

by Anonymousreply 5September 10, 2023 8:03 PM

Don't forget to stock up on "Let's Roll" (TM) cinnamon rolls, available at your local grocery store in the dairy case.

by Anonymousreply 6September 10, 2023 8:05 PM


by Anonymousreply 7September 10, 2023 8:05 PM

Geez, I had completely forgotten it would be 9/11 tomorrow.

It's an interesting phenomenon that it took so little time for people to stop talking about it when it was such a huge event at the time and precipitated so much of what the world is today. I suppose that it's like D-Day in that respect.

by Anonymousreply 8September 10, 2023 8:06 PM

Lisa Beamer really think she’s the bees knees. The Frau to end all Fraus.

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by Anonymousreply 9September 10, 2023 8:07 PM

Blue-eyed Christa McAuliffe. One eye blew this way and one eye blew that way.

by Anonymousreply 10September 10, 2023 8:08 PM

The son of Beamer.

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by Anonymousreply 11September 10, 2023 8:08 PM

A lie from beginning to end to keep the American Empire alive until the other big lie 19 years later in 2020.

by Anonymousreply 12September 10, 2023 8:10 PM

Fascinating podcast.

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by Anonymousreply 13September 10, 2023 8:10 PM

The Day Today's Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan reports on 9/11

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by Anonymousreply 14September 10, 2023 8:11 PM

Drew Beamer

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by Anonymousreply 15September 10, 2023 8:13 PM

“Let’s hole!” 🫦🕳️👅

by Anonymousreply 16September 10, 2023 8:14 PM

Drew part 2

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by Anonymousreply 17September 10, 2023 8:17 PM

Tell that to the five people I know who had family and friends die at the WTC that day, R12.

by Anonymousreply 18September 10, 2023 8:18 PM

I love people who get touchy about internet comments.

by Anonymousreply 19September 10, 2023 8:20 PM

I'll never forgive 9/11 for completely overshadowing the death of the lovely Miss Dorothy McGuire (who died two days after the attacks).

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by Anonymousreply 20September 10, 2023 8:21 PM

9/11 is also the 33rd anniversary of the release of Listen Without Prejudice, Volume I

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by Anonymousreply 21September 10, 2023 8:23 PM

Die in a grease fire, R19. Hope that doesn’t offend. You’re a pig.

by Anonymousreply 22September 10, 2023 8:23 PM

I bet r18 goes around calling herself a 9/11 survivor because she knew someone who knew someone who died.

by Anonymousreply 23September 10, 2023 8:24 PM

R20 now we make amends

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by Anonymousreply 24September 10, 2023 8:26 PM

Remember watching that replay of the Today show that morning OP posted and being struck by how calm and professional Katie Couric was, in comparison with Tom Brokaw who didn’t wait a second to roll out the bombast.

by Anonymousreply 25September 10, 2023 8:29 PM

Interesting video.

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by Anonymousreply 26September 10, 2023 8:30 PM

R24 I love you for opening that thread but we just had a big discussion on Miss McGuire a few months ago so I doubt this one will gain much traction.

by Anonymousreply 27September 10, 2023 8:33 PM

I'll watch the ceremony tomorrow morning, it's the least I can do for the ones who suffered, dead and alive.

by Anonymousreply 28September 10, 2023 9:10 PM

R18, that doesn't make it any less of a lie from the government.

by Anonymousreply 29September 11, 2023 11:02 AM

What makes you think that I care one way or another if you believe me or not R29?

by Anonymousreply 30September 11, 2023 11:51 AM

No jokes, okay? Some of us died that day!

by Anonymousreply 31September 11, 2023 11:57 AM

It really was the worst thing. The horror of watching a plane full of people, slam and explode in a building full of people, and then watch the building dissolve into dust, knowing that thousands of people just died. The jumpers. The phone calls. The voicemails.

It really was horrible.

by Anonymousreply 32September 11, 2023 11:59 AM

QVC went off the air and I was fucking PISSED because I had my eye on a tourmaline and diamond dinner ring I just HAD to have.

by Anonymousreply 33September 11, 2023 12:51 PM

I'd be honored to comfort Drew Beamer.

by Anonymousreply 34September 11, 2023 12:54 PM

[quote] Don't forget to stock up on "Let's Roll" (TM) cinnamon rolls, available at your local grocery store in the dairy case.

Relegated to Grocery Outlet and Aldi a long time ago.......

by Anonymousreply 35September 11, 2023 12:55 PM

I don’t remember what I had for breakfast, but I remember that day quite well. (I worked in midtown, and actually I work at the same place now.)

by Anonymousreply 36September 11, 2023 12:57 PM

r18 = Tania Head

by Anonymousreply 37September 11, 2023 1:01 PM

We're on our way, Mrs. Cintron!

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by Anonymousreply 38September 11, 2023 2:12 PM

It was a weird day. Everyone seemed to be in a daze. I suppose it was total shock.

by Anonymousreply 39September 11, 2023 3:01 PM

It's as distant to Gen Z as Kennedy's assassination was to us.

by Anonymousreply 40September 11, 2023 3:08 PM

Intensity & suffering.

by Anonymousreply 41September 11, 2023 3:09 PM

I will never forget the Fleshlight tribute.

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by Anonymousreply 42September 11, 2023 3:10 PM

r40 it's crazy how time goes by. I'm a child of the 80s and JFK's assassination was an historical event that we had no connection to, it was something we read about in history books. It seemed so long ago, even though at that time it had only been a couple of decades. Kids today view 9/11 in the same way.

by Anonymousreply 43September 11, 2023 3:19 PM

I wasn’t born until 9 months after 9/11. I remember learning about it through my parents, of course, but watching my third-grade teacher cry as she described the day gutted me.

by Anonymousreply 44September 11, 2023 3:20 PM

R1 How very rude of you.

by Anonymousreply 45September 11, 2023 3:21 PM

R44 Your teacher sounds like an unprofessional overly dramatic person. She had 8 yrs to grieve.

by Anonymousreply 46September 11, 2023 3:22 PM

It shouldn't r44, but it always surprises me when I realize we do have young posters who hang out here. I'm in my 30s and consider myself a young one for this board.

by Anonymousreply 47September 11, 2023 3:37 PM

R46 I agree with you-now. Thing is I grew up in Stamford Connecticut, so we lost a lot of people that day. I remember telling my parents that she cried. My dad called the principal as did other parents. I’m pretty sure we had a sub for the next two days. I remember my mom was pissed because most of the documentaries were inappropriate for an 8 year old yet I was literally on the Internet .. searching 9/11.

by Anonymousreply 48September 11, 2023 3:42 PM

Parents got upset that your teacher talked about 9/11?

by Anonymousreply 49September 11, 2023 3:44 PM

R49 No they weren’t upset that she talked about it because it was part of the lesson. It was the way she delivered it & cried. I’m not overly sensitive, but some of the kids in my class were.

by Anonymousreply 50September 11, 2023 3:49 PM

R12 = dumbass fool with TDS.

by Anonymousreply 51September 11, 2023 3:58 PM

"Telling Nicholas," a documentary about trying to find a mother who was in a tower on 9/11. This is the dad telling his son that his mother wasn't coming home.

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by Anonymousreply 52September 11, 2023 4:20 PM

The entire documentary. It's an excellent look at what must have been repeated so many times.

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by Anonymousreply 53September 11, 2023 4:22 PM

I remember going back to work days later at a restaurant in midtown, after the subways from Queens started running again. We all got bitched out by the manager for missing some shifts (we literally couldn't get into Manhattan). The manager's reply: "Well, Jeff made it in from Jersey, so that's no excuse."

by Anonymousreply 54September 11, 2023 4:57 PM

R26, that was a bullshit video from scam artists.

by Anonymousreply 55September 11, 2023 5:16 PM

COVID-19 was much worse than 9/11. Seems like nothing to NYers by comparison now.

by Anonymousreply 56September 11, 2023 5:45 PM

It destroyed the PATH train system. It took two years before trains could run to the financial district again.

by Anonymousreply 57September 11, 2023 6:20 PM

Can someone listen to the R13 and give a synopsis? TIA.

by Anonymousreply 58September 11, 2023 6:24 PM

R57, it was the second time Islamic terrorists destroyed the PATH system. Many people forget about the first Islamic terrorist attack on the WTC.

by Anonymousreply 59September 11, 2023 6:30 PM

No r56, that's hardcore recency bias. To everyone living in NY during 9/11 it was a intense emotional shock and trauma. People were like zombies unable to process what was happening.

Covid kept people from their favorite bars for a while. Not nearly the same level of emotional response.

by Anonymousreply 60September 11, 2023 6:31 PM

The most amazing part of the whole event... the boatlift.

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by Anonymousreply 61September 11, 2023 6:52 PM

Could be, R55. I try to keep an open mind.

by Anonymousreply 62September 11, 2023 7:08 PM

"An open mind". The hallmark language of everyone who gets a boner over every conspiracy theory.

This person has studied this field earning degrees, has worked directly in this field for years and would know what they are talking about this.

This person is some random loudmouth who wants attention and has mic.

Let me treat both as if they are equally serious.

by Anonymousreply 63September 11, 2023 7:25 PM

[quote]Covid kept people from their favorite bars for a while. Not nearly the same level of emotional response.

COVID killed over one million Americans.

by Anonymousreply 64September 11, 2023 7:28 PM

R60- You have no idea what you are talking about. I lived in NYC during 9/11. It was horrify but we bounced back quickly. Broadway reopened on 9/13. COVID closed down Broadway for 18 months!!! It killed the city. It didn’t just keep us away from bars. Everything shut down. People left. Were you here for Covid!? The streets were empty. People lost their livelihoods. We were required to wear masks for 2 years! Sports were shutdown for months and then we had to watch them play in empty arenas. MILLIONS DIED including close friends of mine. Less than 3000 died in the 9/11 attacks. There is no comparison. COVID was the worst thing to happen to NYC in my lifetime. I’m 49.

by Anonymousreply 65September 11, 2023 7:57 PM

And no one walked around like zombies. People were calm as they walked home from work. We went to a deli to stock up for a couple days of food. No one was freaking out and buying all the toilet paper. We were fine and bounced quickly thanks to Rudy Giuliani (who is now an asshole, yes).

by Anonymousreply 66September 11, 2023 8:02 PM

It’s interesting to note that JFK had been assassinated by the time of the 22nd anniversary of Pearl Harbor Day.

by Anonymousreply 67September 11, 2023 8:02 PM

The year between 9/11/01 and 9/11/02 seemed like the longest year. Does anyone else feel that way? And then it seems like the last 20 years just flew by.

9/11 was basically a dick measuring contest and Bin Laden’s precious straight male ego (pme) trying to compensate for failing to take down the towers in 93. So much misery is caused by the pme

by Anonymousreply 68September 11, 2023 8:13 PM

[quote]COVID killed over one million Americans.

And more than 15x as many New York City residents than those who died in the Twin Towers collapse.

by Anonymousreply 69September 11, 2023 8:14 PM

Covid was a global pandemic. Not a terrorist attack.

by Anonymousreply 70September 11, 2023 8:16 PM

Yeah, we were given some warning about covid. 9/11 came out of nowhere and was a shocking moment.

by Anonymousreply 71September 11, 2023 8:22 PM

Yeah I don't see how that is hard to understand r70.

One is global sickness everyone is dealing with.

The other is having out of nowhere terrorist hijack planes and fly it directly into New York city. Destroying the massive towers that had become to be most recognizable part of the New York skyline.

It's not how many people died, or how quickly life got back to normal. But the emotional impact of 9/11 that day was staggering.

by Anonymousreply 72September 11, 2023 8:23 PM

[quote] 9/11 came out of nowhere and was a shocking moment.

That's right..... we weren't warned.

by Anonymousreply 73September 11, 2023 8:25 PM

Was it out of nowhere though? #fuckbush

by Anonymousreply 74September 11, 2023 8:25 PM

It was a terrorist attack. It wasn’t a pandemic. You can’t compare the two. Wtf.

by Anonymousreply 75September 11, 2023 8:30 PM

What a shock. The uneducated and unemployed loser living off his mom is the one comparing a pandemic to a terrorist attack.

by Anonymousreply 76September 11, 2023 8:31 PM

I was in the womb during 9-11.

by Anonymousreply 77September 11, 2023 8:32 PM

Sometimes I wonder if the whole "never forget" campaign is fair to those who might like to forget. Those being the people who lost loved ones. The last thing I would want is for America to stop & remind me of loses that have devastated me. Happy Your Mom Died Day!

by Anonymousreply 78September 11, 2023 8:35 PM

No offense to anyone who actually lost loved ones on September 11, but the Trump years and January 6 scarred me more than 9/11. I still wondered how Germany could let itself get to Hitler on 9/12/01. I no longer wonder that.

by Anonymousreply 79September 11, 2023 8:38 PM

It's also the anniversary of John Ritter's death. Another national tragedy that should never be forgotten.

by Anonymousreply 80September 11, 2023 8:50 PM

R60 Not only that but you have to factor in the number of people who formulated illnesses and died younger than they would have because of all the airborne detriments.

by Anonymousreply 81September 11, 2023 9:22 PM

The tip-off that it was pre-planned is Bush going to read to the boonchkins (something he never did before or since). The Hawks thought it would be the ultimate ruse but it was the ultimate bust They wanted him out of Washington for safety reasons (the real POTUS Cheney was stashed safely in a bunker) but also for him to be on camera so he could act 'troubled' when the news was whispered in his ear. But he just looked guilty like, "Wait til daddy finds out I wrecked the car drunk".

Why did they have to have a bank of black folks standing behind him as he read an overcooked, pre-written speech about 'terror'? And using the children for props? Disgusting.

They couldn't wait to get over$ea$ and rape Iraqistania.

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by Anonymousreply 82September 11, 2023 9:32 PM

This is one of the saddest, most harrowing calls from inside the WTC to me.

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by Anonymousreply 83September 11, 2023 9:32 PM

You’re a drama queen, r70. It was incredible and scary but we moved on. Can’t believe you think Covid was just a time we couldn’t go to bars for awhile. You’re out of touch.

by Anonymousreply 84September 11, 2023 9:39 PM

I was working near the Atlanta Airport at the time. All I wanted to do was to get to my young daughter - she was in preschool. Driving home was surreal. Beautiful day and just like NY the sky was blue and cloudless. But for the first and only time in my life there wasn't an airplane in the sky. It was actually frightening to me. Horrible day, horrible memories.

by Anonymousreply 85September 11, 2023 9:39 PM

R84 no. You are out of touch AND uneducated.

by Anonymousreply 86September 11, 2023 9:42 PM

The average age of those who died from Covid was substantially higher than the 9/11 victims. The former fact is even used as an explanation for why Medicare outlays have significantly deceased since the pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 87September 11, 2023 9:43 PM

My shit was so blue that morning, for my slurpee had been blue the night before.

by Anonymousreply 88September 11, 2023 9:43 PM

Sometimes the answer lies in the question, R88

by Anonymousreply 89September 11, 2023 9:46 PM

Republicans once again show their hypocrisy. Of course, the Dems will not call them on it. They voted against aid for 9/11 families and are posting memorial tributes today.

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by Anonymousreply 90September 11, 2023 9:46 PM

It was out of nowhere for those of us who not get a classified daily intelligence briefing.

by Anonymousreply 91September 11, 2023 10:09 PM

In the immediate weeks & months thereafter, I remember expecting - & fearing - more attacks.

by Anonymousreply 92September 11, 2023 10:12 PM

I'm not sure what I would have done, but did people think helicopters were going to throw them a line?

They shouldn't build highrises without breakable windows and parachute devices.

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by Anonymousreply 93September 11, 2023 10:15 PM

They thought helicopters would rescue them from the roof but nobody actually got to the roof because the doors were locked. Even if they had, the helicopters couldn't get near the roof because of all the smoke.

by Anonymousreply 94September 11, 2023 10:17 PM

[quote] I'd be honored to comfort Drew Beamer.

R34, hasn't that poor boy suffered enough?

by Anonymousreply 95September 11, 2023 10:21 PM

[quote] They thought helicopters would rescue them from the roof but nobody actually got to the roof because the doors were locked. Even if they had, the helicopters couldn't get near the roof because of all the smoke.

Didn't you watch my fucking movie, asshole? NO HELICOPTERS ON TOP OF BURNING BUILDINGS! Jesus Christ!

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by Anonymousreply 96September 11, 2023 10:23 PM

[quote] 9/11 came out of nowhere and was a shocking moment.

Shocking, yes. Out of nowhere? Nope. The roots of 9/11 started when the U.S.S.R. invaded Afghanistan in 1979. The slowly fomented from Carter to Reagan to Bush to Clinton to Bush II. Rarely does anything just happen out of the blue... everything comes from something before it. We missed a lot of signs while we were busy yelling at each other about Monica's soiled dress, Gays in the Military, Iran-Contra, and hanging chads. And worst of all, we're doing the same god damn fucking thing RIGHT NOW.

by Anonymousreply 97September 11, 2023 10:37 PM

^ And don’t forget the first bombing of the WTC in February 1993.

by Anonymousreply 98September 11, 2023 10:44 PM

Again, one was a pandemic. One was an attack by terrorists. I can’t believe someone doesn’t understand this.

by Anonymousreply 99September 11, 2023 10:53 PM

Girls, you're both deadly.

by Anonymousreply 100September 11, 2023 10:58 PM

I’m commemorating it by sitting on a rainy tarmac at JFK trying to connect to Miami. Thanks corporate travel agent for this absolute shit itinerary. Oh and America sucks donkey balls now.

by Anonymousreply 101September 11, 2023 11:04 PM

Didn’t dump trump say he was there and watched the towers fall and saw Muslims singing and dancing for joy? And yet he’s the #1 GOP choice.

by Anonymousreply 102September 11, 2023 11:07 PM

R102 - Did yo' mamma drop you on yo' head as an itty bitty? More than one time, I suspect.

by Anonymousreply 103September 12, 2023 12:01 AM

R93, this is horrific, i cant inagine what must have been going through these people's minds. What a way to die. A slow painful hellish death. May they rest in peace

by Anonymousreply 104September 12, 2023 12:30 AM

R97 Marry me.

by Anonymousreply 105September 12, 2023 12:32 AM

R104 how old are you? Honest question. Because there is no way this is your first time seeing that footage. This footage has been floating around for 22 years. I remember the news coverage on 9/11 (I’m a born and raised Brooklynite) and the news having to avoid showing a lot of footage because of all the jumpers. News stations were told to avoid showing them or even acknowledging them after already doing so prior because it added more dread and sadness to it all.

The Spanish news stations, however, showed them, covered them, and even had images of their bodies on the ground.

by Anonymousreply 106September 12, 2023 12:34 AM

R105 sane people don’t reply “marry me” to themselves. And don’t reply with the same “check my posting history” you do all the time for years now. Get a new schtick. It’s old

by Anonymousreply 107September 12, 2023 12:35 AM

R83, I wasn't expecting this at the end. Never seen this video. These poor people

by Anonymousreply 108September 12, 2023 12:39 AM

R107 You see this is why the fuck people like you get cussed out. Because the arrogant tone you possess in posting straight up lies. But you think you are right but you are wrong. I’m not him responding to myself. I don’t even do that dumb shit. Never have and never will. But you will always be a stankin ass useless ass nobody bitch.

by Anonymousreply 109September 12, 2023 12:40 AM

Fuck off Twacake

by Anonymousreply 110September 12, 2023 12:45 AM

R109 I don’t care. I’m sick of your weird shit. Act normal.

by Anonymousreply 111September 12, 2023 12:48 AM

I wonder how much therapy the 911 operators who were working that day needed. I can't imagine taking calls all morning from the panicked and dying, and being on the phone with them as the buildings collapsed.

I don't even live in New York, and when I woke up and turned on the Today Show the first plane had already hit. I watched, transfixed as the second plane hit the second tower, and finally tore myself away to walk to work, 45 minutes late, only to discover that they had closed my building for the day. As I was walking home some homeless guys with a radio told me the first tower had fallen. I watched the second tower fall live on TV. I went to a friend's house and we watched coverage all day, and I had nightmares that night.

It was an extremely traumatic day for all of America, and the idea that we were somehow invulnerable was ripped away from us. I can't imagine the trauma that the first responders, 911 operators, and others at ground zero had to deal with in the aftermath.

by Anonymousreply 112September 12, 2023 12:55 AM

I was at work taking a break, cruising the NY Times website. At the top right corner, there was a small blurb reporting that a plane hit one of the towers.

I clicked away with the image of that small plane that hit the Empire State building in my mind.

About 15 or 20 minutes later, I clicked back on the NY Times Website and there was the big black headline.

I watched the first tower pancake down on my jobsite's TV.

While it was falling, for a couple of seconds, I questioned myself if I was hallucinating. But deep down inside, I knew I wasn't.

I actually think Osama bin Laden accomplished whatever it was he set out to do.

True, he's dead physically, but in some ways, so is the USA.

by Anonymousreply 113September 12, 2023 1:12 AM

All of the people walking around with pictures of their missing loved ones asking if anyone had seen them was heartbreaking.

by Anonymousreply 114September 12, 2023 1:22 AM

It’s amazing how we all came together as a nation too. For about 3 weeks there was no racism, no classism, no blame just peace and harmony.

by Anonymousreply 115September 12, 2023 1:33 AM

R115, I like your sentiment. I believe the racism against brown Americans began before three weeks.

by Anonymousreply 116September 12, 2023 1:36 AM

It was all too much.

by Anonymousreply 117September 12, 2023 1:40 AM

I joined my gym membership over the phone the Friday prior. I scheduled a required gym trainer appointment for that 9/11 morning. Getting ready, I caught the first plane attack coverage on the “Today” show, then decided still to make the appointment. As they took my gym membership pic in front of the parking lot-view security camera, I noticed it was tuned in that hour to Today’s ongoing live coverage. Only months later did I bother to study my membership card closely and realize the scanned pic embedded into the card was if me smiling below and in front of the security camera displaying the burning Trade tower. Lost that card a long time ago, weird random memory of a surreal, horrible time.

by Anonymousreply 118September 12, 2023 1:41 AM

It is still phenomenal to watch the late Peter Jennings handle the huge influx of incoming information for hours and hours, knowing that Americans were hanging onto every single word. I was watching GMA and Diane Sawyer's audible "oh my God" as the south tower exploded in flames let me know how serious it was. I was scared called my mom at work before leaving for class.

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by Anonymousreply 119September 12, 2023 1:53 AM

R97, If you knew 22 years before 9/11 that a terrorist group was going to fly two planes into the WTC, you really should have said something. At the very least you could have told Mark Wahlberg to be on one of those planes so he could have stopped it.

by Anonymousreply 120September 12, 2023 2:05 AM

I remember during the early chaos Jennings very elegantly took control and said pointedly on-air: Where is the president of the United States? He basically forced them to produce Bush to say... something. It was startling and a bold, necessary move.

by Anonymousreply 121September 12, 2023 2:25 AM

R44 is a fetus.

by Anonymousreply 122September 12, 2023 2:52 AM

I missed r44's comment. Are 9/11 babies a thing? Did people go home and fuck away the grief?

by Anonymousreply 123September 12, 2023 2:56 AM

R112 You don't have to wonder.

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by Anonymousreply 124September 12, 2023 2:58 AM

I think that the families of anyone who died on or above the impacted floors of the South Tower should get an official apology from whomever made the decision to send the evacuating people in the South Tower back to their desks after the North Tower was hit. I remember being horrified when I learned that people were trying to get out and were turned away from exiting because everything "was secure."

I know they didn't know there would be a second plane, but some people obviously felt like they were in danger. I know my first instinct would be to get to the ground floor as quickly as possible. But I'm also a rule-follower and probably would have listened to the announcement. And that gives me nightmares to this day.

by Anonymousreply 125September 12, 2023 3:22 AM

R111 But hun you are WRONG. So you act normal in your delusions. Period.

by Anonymousreply 126September 12, 2023 4:03 AM

[quote] I can't imagine the trauma that the first responders, 911 operators, and others at ground zero had to deal with in the aftermath.

I was living in NYC at the time and one of my best friends was a NYC EMT. He was never the same after that, and eventually we lost touch as his mental health deteriorated. He had been a great friend to me and I really tried to keep the friendship alive and to there for him, but there's only so much you can do with someone suffering from trauma who doesn't want help. I hope he eventually found that help and is doing well now.

by Anonymousreply 127September 12, 2023 12:00 PM

R120 - I honestly can't tell if you're just failing miserably to be funny, or if you really are that stupid. I suspect it's both.

by Anonymousreply 128September 12, 2023 12:04 PM

Here's what it was like inside the WTC 9 months before they came down. I imagine some people in this office died that day.

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by Anonymousreply 129September 13, 2023 12:12 AM

R129 - If the video was shot in January 2000, then it's closer to 20 months than 9

by Anonymousreply 130September 13, 2023 1:19 AM

In addition to the Boat Lift at R61...the other AMAZING thing that happened that day (and for the next five days) was what happened in Gander, Newfoundland. When 38 international flights, with 7000 passengers (from 95 countries) landed in a little town in Newfoundland.

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by Anonymousreply 131September 13, 2023 9:05 AM

My point was, and it stands, that NYC was hurt WAY MORE by Covid-19 than by 9/11. Not even close. Covid-19 has been the worst thing to ever happen to NYC. Maybe ever. Doesn't matter that it was global. 9/11 was global too. 9//11 was shocking and awful but COVID-19 was the WORST. And you ARE out of touch when you say that the only bad thing about COVID-19 was not being able to go to bars for awhile. Like WHAT? Two of my close friends died and Broadway shut down for EIGHTEEN MONTHS, killing NYC's economy. Sports shut down. Restaurants closed. People were instantly out of work. I say this as someone who lived in NYC through both.

by Anonymousreply 132September 15, 2023 6:24 PM

By the way, anyone remember the plane crash in Queens a few weeks later? No one ever talks about it but you have to wonder if the military shot it down.

by Anonymousreply 133September 15, 2023 6:35 PM

For those saying there was no warning...

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by Anonymousreply 134September 15, 2023 6:39 PM

In 1994, there were three examples of failed attempts to deliberately crash planes into buildings, including one where a lone pilot crashed a small plane into the lawn of the White House.

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by Anonymousreply 135September 15, 2023 6:43 PM


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by Anonymousreply 136September 15, 2023 6:43 PM

Even Clinton knew about it.

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by Anonymousreply 137September 15, 2023 6:45 PM

Was Tania Head spotted at any anniversary events?

by Anonymousreply 138September 15, 2023 7:05 PM

Starts at 2:05:00

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by Anonymousreply 139September 15, 2023 7:11 PM

I’m now reading Days of Fire, Peter Baker’s account of the Bush years. As to the the infamous August 6 memo (“Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US”), he observes, in relevant part, as follows:

“The document … on this morning … seemed maddeningly unspecific, offering information that was sketchy and mostly three or four years old. Nothing on the first page cited current intelligence. The memo said bin Laden had ‘implied in US television interviews in 1997 and 1998’ that he wanted to attack the United States and in 1998 he had ‘told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington’ for cruise missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan. It said al-Qaeda members ‘have resided in or traveled to the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks.’”

“Beyond that, the memo said intelligence agencies had ‘not been able to collaborate some of the more sensational threat reporting,’ including a 1998 report that bin Laden ‘wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release’ of those convicted in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Only on the second page did the memo hint at what was really going on: ‘Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.’ That sentence cried out for elaboration. What suspicious activity? What surveillance? It said nothing more about that and hardly constituted actionable intelligence,’ the phrase used by security officials to describe information specific enough to guide a specific response.”

by Anonymousreply 140September 15, 2023 8:21 PM

R133: No, you don't have to wonder. Flight 587 crashed due to pilot error, and (to a lesser extent) the design of the aircraft. That's why no one talks about it anymore. It experienced turbulence as it flew through the wake of a 747 that departed JFK just before it (a common occurrence). The co-pilot (who was at the controls) began making aggressive adjustments with the rudder to control the plane -- too aggressive for the speed at which they were flying -- basically flipping the rudder ALL the way back & forth several times in quick succession. That put too much stress on the vertical stabilizer, causing it to separate from the fuselage.

by Anonymousreply 141September 15, 2023 8:29 PM

Bush is a killa faggot

by Anonymousreply 142September 15, 2023 8:45 PM


Frankly, Howard, Robin, etc sound completely unhinged. It’s so easy to see how we ended up on a war spree in the wrong country.

by Anonymousreply 143September 15, 2023 10:01 PM

How old are you, R143? I don’t know of any sentient adult who was not unhinged that day.

by Anonymousreply 144September 15, 2023 10:07 PM

My great aunt died a few weeks before 9/11. She was cremated and her memorial service had been scheduled for September 15th which was the Saturday after 9/11. The memorial service was an hour and a half away from my hometown. My parents, sister, and grandmother went in one car. My brother and I had to drive my uncle and aunt to the funeral in another car. My aunt(uncle's wife) was a racist cunt and during the drive to the funeral she kept making comments about the "towelheads" needing to be punished and a lot of awful things.

by Anonymousreply 145September 15, 2023 10:18 PM

I have told this before but I remember there was talk in Spring or Summer ‘01 in my New England college town that some sort of big attack was coming. Nothing specific but I definitely remember there was some chatter that something big and catastrophic was about to happen.

by Anonymousreply 146September 15, 2023 10:37 PM

R134 and there was also the '93 attacks.

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by Anonymousreply 147September 17, 2023 3:39 AM

Well, I guess there were only 19 of them because nothing has happened since. It's so hard to recruit rabid suicide zealots willing to endure horrific deaths these days.

by Anonymousreply 148September 17, 2023 5:56 AM

Or maybe, R148, the US's anti-foreign terrorism policy was more successful than believed. Would that we had one for internal terrorism.

by Anonymousreply 149September 17, 2023 10:14 AM

R132, had the economy not bounced back immediately following lockdown then you might have a point.

by Anonymousreply 150September 17, 2023 11:40 AM

R149 I thought the next generation, Gen Z, had something to do with the painful trauma of that event and animosity die out.

The young people entered the world afresh. There are adult 21 year olds with no experience of 9/11. They care more about their own ideas of being ethical and connect through social media. There's not a lot of big Boogeyman unknowns, and 'evil doers.' Everyone worldwide can be on Tiktok, Twitter, Facebook and see every day people in videos.

We didn't have much social media during 9/11.

by Anonymousreply 151September 17, 2023 12:39 PM

Shame everyone only remembers those killed at the WTC and not those killed at the Pentagon or in a filed in Pa.

by Anonymousreply 152September 17, 2023 1:31 PM


by Anonymousreply 153September 17, 2023 1:31 PM

There was social media on 9/11. I remember being online in some chatroom (AOL I guess) and it had people from around the world commenting. It was very interesting and in a way comforting.

by Anonymousreply 154September 17, 2023 1:45 PM

[quote] Shame everyone only remembers those killed at the WTC and not those killed at the Pentagon or in a filed in Pa.

Among the tragic, doomed plane passengers, those who perished in the field in Pennsylvania are the most remembered. By far.

by Anonymousreply 155September 17, 2023 1:47 PM

And then anthrax and a year later the Beltway sniper. The early aughts were a scary time.

by Anonymousreply 156September 17, 2023 4:15 PM

R129, the company in that video was on the 87th floor which was below the 92nd floor (the life and death division floor in North tower). Everyone on the 92nd floor and above died. Almost everyone below the 92nd floor survived. So ppl in your video most likely survived

by Anonymousreply 157September 17, 2023 4:56 PM

[quote]Among the tragic, doomed plane passengers, those who perished in the field in Pennsylvania are the most remembered. By far.

Baloney......... by far. Most people who were not around on 9/11 think the WTC was the only target.

by Anonymousreply 158September 17, 2023 7:11 PM

[quote] Baloney......... by far. Most people who were not around on 9/11 think the WTC was the only target.

If you read my post again, you'll note I was talking only about the passengers of the four flights. Among that group, the passengers of Flight 93 - & their ill-fated struggle - are easily the most remembered.

by Anonymousreply 159September 17, 2023 7:32 PM

I just learnt that there was a 2 year old on flight 175! Lee Hanson was flying with his wife and 2 year-old. He was on the phone with his dad when the aircrafr crashed into the tower

by Anonymousreply 160September 18, 2023 12:07 AM

R154 sorry that's right. There was even a DL thread from that day in 01'

There were BBS boards and such but obviously nothing super instant like now.

by Anonymousreply 161September 18, 2023 12:16 AM

A tale of 3 Brits.

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by Anonymousreply 162September 18, 2023 9:44 AM

I posted on that other 9-11 thread which has since closed, the one with the falling man in the OP's post , Well I posted about pregnant women who died in the tower andnplan crashes, and was called a liar by a sick and twisted person Well here is the link for the article.

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by Anonymousreply 163September 21, 2023 10:48 PM

It helps me deal with thw trauma of 9/11 when I read of people who died tragically that day, who days/ weeks prior did unexpected and unusual things like finally do something they had put on hold for a while . I read a story of a young woman who was pregannt and died on board flight 93, though raised catholic she had not really practiced, but weeks before 9/11 had began attending Bible school...

by Anonymousreply 164September 21, 2023 10:51 PM

R1 - A true whore never comes early.

by Anonymousreply 165September 21, 2023 11:04 PM

That day tv coverage was only of the towers, nothing from street level. It wasn't until the FOIA when a slew of amateur videos were posted on You Tube that we found out how ghastly it was.

by Anonymousreply 166September 21, 2023 11:27 PM

There was NJ Burkett for WABC reporting from the street. He had to run as the first tower came down. The cameraman caught all of that.

by Anonymousreply 167September 21, 2023 11:46 PM

[quote]though raised catholic she had not really practiced, but weeks before 9/11 had began attending Bible school...

Fat lot of good it did her, r164.

by Anonymousreply 168September 21, 2023 11:53 PM

Newsflash r168, it means she reconciled with her faith before death

by Anonymousreply 169September 22, 2023 1:49 AM

To think that these people hanging out the windows high above had no idea what had happened- worked during why nobody was coming to rescue them, unaware of the tragedy unfolding below

by Anonymousreply 170September 22, 2023 2:27 AM

Some went up higher thinking a helicopter would rescue them. Learn from this. In a tall building find the fire exit stairs and get the hell out even if it's a little in fire, push through. Find other stairs down.

Because firefighters aren't always going to be able to save you and the smoke is too thick for a helicopter to land. How could so a few helicopters save the scores of people stuck anyway?

Forget the movies, follow the simplest way out. Stairs, not the elevator.

by Anonymousreply 171September 22, 2023 12:09 PM

[quote]it means she reconciled with her faith before death

Fat lot of good it did her R169.

by Anonymousreply 172September 23, 2023 2:47 AM

I never saw any people on the roofs. Not that it would have saved them, but maybe they could have not died from smoke inhalation. Were the doors to the roof locked?

I wonder if skyscrapers could be built with ladder steps notched into the facade? Why just have a smooth, blank surface?

With only one way down, they're just deathtraps.

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by Anonymousreply 173September 23, 2023 4:44 AM

They closed the other 9/11 thread early.

by Anonymousreply 174September 23, 2023 5:04 AM

R171 - Many of them had no choice but to go up. The stairs going down were destroyed or obstructed by the airplanes and debris.

One of the most horrifying aspects, other than having to choose between burning alive or jumping 100 stories to your death, is the people who were in the elevators at the time of the collision. Apparently oil and gas, lit aflame, poured down the elevator chutes and roasted the people alive -- not all of whom died immediately.

22 years later and I still shudder over what those people went through on what was to them just another Tuesday at work.

by Anonymousreply 175September 23, 2023 1:01 PM

"They closed the other 9/11 thread early."

Because the whiney closeted Republiqueens don't want to be reminded how much money they made off 9/11. It's the world's worst dirty secret.

by Anonymousreply 176September 23, 2023 1:06 PM

I think this is the man who made it out with another man. Along the way they saw woman who told them she couldn't make it down because she saw fire. She said she was headed to the top to wait for a helicopter.

It's hard to know what to do in these situations but the best course was to get out by finding an in-tact staircase.

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by Anonymousreply 177September 23, 2023 1:12 PM

Hot piece of ass tells his WTC survivor story.

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by Anonymousreply 178September 23, 2023 11:42 PM

Of the hundreds of firemen who were ordered to enter the building, many ordered to climb to the engulfed floors to rescue people, not one refused.

by Anonymousreply 179September 23, 2023 11:49 PM

R175- "There was this incredibly loud, piercing, whistling sound and an instant later I was engulfed in flames," she says. "The pain was incalculable, crushing, penetrating deeper and deeper."

Just unimaginable.

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by Anonymousreply 180September 24, 2023 12:29 AM

175 , totally agree the most horrific of all the horrific things which happened on that horrible day, definitely has to be those set aflame in the elevators, or those who were incinerated when elevators doors opened. Just nightmarish

by Anonymousreply 181September 24, 2023 2:26 AM

Difficult to imagine the terror if the Observation Deck had been opened prior to attack

by Anonymousreply 182September 24, 2023 3:53 AM

There were funerals every week and the smell of burning plastic lingered for months.

A friend and her husband from Seattle said her and her husband were all teary flying over Manhattan six months after the event. A few years ago I sent her an article about how someone (firefighters, police, clean up people, etc.) dies from 9/11 related respiratory illness everyday, one of whom was cousin who had been a steel worker and helped with the clean up. Her reply to the article: people die from respiratory illnesses every day. I should have ended the friendship at that moment.

by Anonymousreply 183September 24, 2023 6:35 PM

R183 your friend could have ended the friendship at your use of “everyday”, an adjective, rather than “every day”.

by Anonymousreply 184September 24, 2023 6:48 PM

I watched a doc on 9/11. A black guy who was in charge of triage that day claimed to have come across a woman whom he immediately declared dead because from the torso down was mangled up but she was still coherent. He said the woman screamed " I am not dead!" when he tried to tag her as dead. His thoughts though not vocalised to this woman , were not yet but you will be soon.

He believes she survived a jump or was someone in the aircraft who flew out when it crashed?How plausible is this??

by Anonymousreply 185September 24, 2023 6:52 PM

R185- I suspect she was in the plaza and hit by aircraft parts/debris. One woman's entire rear of her body was torn off by landing gear (she survived).. I suspect that this is what happened to that lady

by Anonymousreply 186September 24, 2023 6:59 PM

Jesus Christ r180 she was in the lobby on the first floor. That's how she survived.

September 11, 2001, Manning left her home and headed for the World Trade Center's North Tower, where she was a senior executive at Cantor Fitzgerald with an office on the 105th floor. As she entered through the glass doors of the North Tower's West Street entrance, the first plane crashed into the 96th floor, cutting through elevator shafts that ran the full height of the building and giving the explosive fires a direct path to the first floor lobby. Moments later, as she turned towards the elevators that would take her up to her office, a wall of fire from the jet fuel explosion blasted from the elevator shafts, enveloping Manning and setting her aflame. Manning fought the backdraft and pushed out through the building doors and onto the sidewalk outside. She ran across the six lanes of West Street before stopping to drop and roll on a strip of grass to extinguish the flames, where she was assisted by a good Samaritan.

by Anonymousreply 187September 24, 2023 7:20 PM

R185 That's sad! Put a tourniquet on her lower torso, rush her to hospital and let doctors hook her up to machines. Don't decide she's dead ahead of time.

by Anonymousreply 188September 24, 2023 7:25 PM

You're an asshole, R184

by Anonymousreply 189September 24, 2023 7:34 PM

An former BF was stuck in an elevator in the south tower in one of the sub-basements with several other people. There was lots of water pouring in. Luckily a maintenance guy heard them and helped them and got out. I saw an acquaintance the week before at a relative's house. He was an officer in the NYFD. He and his entire squad died. Except for a piece of his jacket, nothing was ever found of him. An urn filled with dust from the site was buried in the coffin. The funeral, about 6 months later, was quite extraordinary.


by Anonymousreply 190September 24, 2023 7:44 PM

Yeah, that documentary mentioned by R185 and R186, was incredible.

I had never seen it until about last year when they showed it on the History Channel or one of those cool, interesting channels.

Lots of information I had heretofore never heard. New video footage as well.

I was waiting for them to show it this year but they never did.

by Anonymousreply 191September 24, 2023 9:01 PM

The doc is called One Day In America and I agree it is excellent.

by Anonymousreply 192September 25, 2023 12:17 AM

^ The doc.

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by Anonymousreply 193September 25, 2023 1:34 AM

Wow, thanks, R193.

There were three or four episodes, right?

by Anonymousreply 194September 25, 2023 1:54 AM

^ Six

by Anonymousreply 195September 25, 2023 2:41 AM

This video has some disturbing scenes of wavers and jumpers (15:20 - 24:50).

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by Anonymousreply 196September 25, 2023 3:25 AM

Read about a guy whose sister was on board the second aircraft which crashed into the WTC, while he himself was in the tower rescuing a woman into safety.

She was flying to California with her toddler who was on the flight as well.

Also this guy said the night before he had a long conversation with his sister about which shirt he should wear, anoitnironing his shirt...

Such stories really does something to me, makes me think about fate, the universe, God

by Anonymousreply 197September 25, 2023 3:34 AM

Also he was praying when the plane crashed

by Anonymousreply 198September 25, 2023 3:34 AM

Just what this thread needs - "disturbing scenes of wavers and jumpers".

That's what got the last thread closed early -all the ghoulish posts.

by Anonymousreply 199September 25, 2023 3:37 AM

An older doc, but remains one of the best I've seen

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by Anonymousreply 200September 25, 2023 3:43 AM

firefighters made eye contact with some of the the jumpers as they descended. Wow

by Anonymousreply 201September 25, 2023 4:15 AM

What a grotesque detail, r201.

What is with your fixation on the details of people suffering and dying?

by Anonymousreply 202September 25, 2023 5:14 AM

I guarantee he’s masturbating to it

by Anonymousreply 203September 25, 2023 5:16 AM

Likely, r203. In the now-closed " Falling man" thread, r201 posted these things:

[quote]Imagine surviving the collapse, being under the rubble for hours and days, with nobody coming to rescue you. I'm certain there were people still alive buried under the rubble but rescue didn't come on time

[quote]I watched a video of one woman who escaped one of the towers describing her escape. . She said while walking down the stairs she came across people badly injured. She described one woman with blood pouring out of both eyes, all her toes blown off on one foot, shards of glass in her hair and on her chest. She was letting out a death curling scream

[quote]Another woman told the story of a security guard at one of the desks whom she had just went passed earlier. When she arrived at the lobby during her escape, that security guard was laying on the floor and his torso was severed from the other half of his body.

[quote]When the elevator opened some people were incinerated from jet fuel fire balls which had escaped

[quote]Reply359, do.you have the link for the video of the man being blown out of the window?

They also requested more video of people jumping out of windows.

It's a disturbing fascination with the "horrific" side of the suffering. Repetitive, too. Super fixated on the deaths by fire from the elevators and enjoyed the phrase "pink mist" as regards to bodies smashing into the ground.

by Anonymousreply 204September 25, 2023 6:04 AM

Wow r204, my posts bother you this much? Sheesh.. I am not masturbating to or giddily typing about these findings. I am fascinated by the events of that day. It is still shocking thatbthisbhappened. I am amazed how little it is publicly discussed. It is my way of processing the trauma of that day. Relax

by Anonymousreply 205September 25, 2023 11:16 AM

[quote] In the now-closed " Falling man" thread, [R201] posted these things:

Off-topic, but how do we access the posting history of anonymous posters?

by Anonymousreply 206September 25, 2023 11:21 AM

I'm fascinated by how much my posts has riled up r204 to cause him / her to follow me across threads .

by Anonymousreply 207September 25, 2023 11:57 AM


by Anonymousreply 208September 25, 2023 11:58 AM

Stop tone policing other people's posts, idiots.

by Anonymousreply 209September 25, 2023 12:19 PM

Bite me, r209. Lovingly posting and reposting the most gruesome stories of how people died that day is offensive and disrespectful.

Au contraire, r207. I didn't *follow* you across threads. I merely noticed that your gross out style of writing was similar to another poster in the "falling man" thread. Ignoredar confirmed it was you.

As I mentioned, you are repetitive, so you are hard to ignore. In this thread and the other, you have told how "horrific" (a word you use a LOT) the deaths by fire in the elevator at least FIVE times.

You were SO traumatized by something that happened 2 decades ago that the only way that you can process it is to repeat the worst stories of that day in gory detail? Makes no sense. A therapist might help you with that.

I'm not a kink-shamer, but you should just own up to the fact that you get off on it.

R206, you can follow *some* of a poster's history by clicking on the "ignore" icon (circle with a slash through it). You will no longer see their posts, but when you go to settings, and click on "ignored", you will be able to see many, but not all of their posts. Mostly posts from threads you've both posted in. Afterwards, you can just click on the "posters ignored" number to un-ignore them, because leaving them on ignore will slow down your scrolling.

Have a good one. I probably won't be back, since this thread is going the way of the other, there's nothing of interest to me here, and it will probably be closed down as well.

by Anonymousreply 210September 25, 2023 12:38 PM

on a luckier note, I know someone eho was on an elevator on her way to her office when she decided to get off on a lower floor to get a cup of coffee first. The instant the doors closed the plane hit and everyone on that elevator was incinerated. A family member who had been in the building during the first attack was late for work on 9/11. (he was Always late for work) so he wasn't in the building when the planes hit. I think 9/11 was a day of whether it was your time to go or not. The saddest part is the way some of these people had to die.

by Anonymousreply 211September 25, 2023 12:46 PM

You know it was almost like Titanic for me. I knew something bad happened but I didn't really get it until I saw just how much these suffered.

I feel it in a different way than when I was in highschool witnessing it on the wheeled in TV that was brought into the classroom. I remember other students saying it was like a movie and kinda laughing. I guess that's how they dealt.

Seeing the carnage from the ground images. All those people who are not around to tell what they went through, the worst sufferers not around. I mean I got it but, now that I'm 40 I get it a little more.

There was nothing marked about all the victims. They were normal, regular people, like you or me, on their way to work and attacked. I try to learn from this. Look for safety exits, take stairs etc, try to fight for your life on a hijacked plane.

But really what can you do when you're ambushed like that on a typical day? I know we talk about it and remember it, but it just feels more real this time. This really happens.

It's just very real to me now. Extremely sad.

by Anonymousreply 212September 25, 2023 2:26 PM

The video of the empty, dirt and debris strewn streets around the center and the plaza before the towers fell is very surreal.

by Anonymousreply 213September 27, 2023 1:27 AM

R184 You are the cuntiest cunt to ever cunt. And I love it.

by Anonymousreply 214September 28, 2023 8:44 PM

R202 Not only that but it’s impossible. He is lying.

by Anonymousreply 215September 28, 2023 8:47 PM

[quote]The year between 9/11/01 and 9/11/02 seemed like the longest year

I dont know about the longest year, but is was a sad and strange time. America was totally on edge. The anthrax mail came shortly after, leading people to think bioterrorism was next. Another flight crashed in NYC later that year with people on board who narrowly escaped 9/11, only to perish later. Air travel declined hugely over the holidays. The DC sniper in 2002 also triggered people. I remember my parents were finally able to but a house in a decent neighborhood when interest rates went down to historic lows, which was an indirect result of 9/11 and the 2nd Iraq War.

by Anonymousreply 216September 28, 2023 11:55 PM

R197- I think that woman was from Boston and her daughter was Julianna.

by Anonymousreply 217September 29, 2023 12:00 AM

In the early 70s, the buildings were referred to as The Twin Towers not The World Trade Center.

by Anonymousreply 218September 29, 2023 12:10 AM

The comments on this video show just how gullible the human race is. This kid must be nineteen now. I wonder how he's doing, having grown up with such exploitative parents.

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by Anonymousreply 219September 30, 2023 11:35 AM

I noticed that my music video for “Can’t Deny It” started to get even more play after 9/11. We didn’t purposely do the stars and stripes and red-white-and-blue color scheme in the video. It was a weird coincidence that the country needed to see something patriotic and uplifting.

We ended up having the number one video at MTV when the stats came back. They pushed that forward on their own. They wanted that video to be number one because of what it symbolized and what it showed visually. In tragic times people need something to comfort them. So they find some kind of entertainment to hold on to.

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by Anonymousreply 220September 30, 2023 2:45 PM

Celebrities lived to tell!

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by Anonymousreply 221October 1, 2023 11:48 AM

I rarely hear stories about those on the plane which crashed into the pentagon.anyone else?

by Anonymousreply 222October 2, 2023 4:47 PM

I always see at least one person on these threads sign off as "Lisa Beamer's Let's Roll Cinnamon Rolls" or some such. Did she really try to monetize her husband's death, and if so can anybody point me to the thread where the DL eviscerates her?

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