Danny Masterson gets thirty years

The other prisoners are going to badger him for canteen money, if not more.

Scientology your way out of this Danny.

Did you read the article you linked to, OP? He didn't flee because they've kept him locked up since May 31.

He'll be released with some mickeymouse "restrictions" in a few months. Scientology is very generous.

[quote]Scientology your way out of this Danny.

Maybe this is his way out of Scientology.

The SeaOrg will send people to get jobs as corrections officers so they can pass him things and look after him.

Working as a corrections officer would be a big step up from being in SeaOrg.

Agreed R7, but you just know that they’ll be made to live communally and give all of their money back to the church.

OP: According to the Associated Press Style Guide...

Numbers 1 through 9 are written as words: one, two, three...nine.

Numbers 10 and above are written as numerals: 10, 11, 12. etc. This includes 30.

Jesus Christ! Many murderers and pedophiles don't get put away that long.

That is fucking HARD CORE.

Bijou must be feeling suicidal right now. Their poor kids. How traumatic is that? Raised by a Scientology rapist dad who then ends up in jail for the rest of his/your life?

Hope it was worth it, Danny! You are FUCKED. Your entire life - totally fucked.

Not eligible for parole until he's 77. Beautiful.

I wonder if he will off himself?

Chyna Phillips is gonna have to do a lot of praying. Sorry for Bijou and their kids.

Kind of an extreme sentence.

Oh, well. See you. Wouldn’t want to be you.

Somewhere, Daniel Franzese is laughing.

Why is his sentence so extreme?

I may never understand sentencing. A child pornographer can get five years or fifty years. A rapist can get three years or thirty years. One murderer gets twenty years, the next one gets life without parole.

It all seems so scattershot.

Ashton Kutcher kept hiring him. When is Ashton going to be exposed?

He gets 30 years but the people who tried to stage a coup get shit like 10-18. Jesus.

Kids. They never learn.

[quote] In May 2023, Masterson was convicted of forcible rape of two women, both former members of the Church of Scientology; a third charge was declared deadlocked due to a hung jury.

You can be deadlocked on one charge and not the others? I thought jurors had to agree on each count or it was a mistrial.

I have to ask… was it rape rape?

There’s still no mug shot.

Sucks to be him

Didn’t he drug women and rape them, maybe filming it? This trial has drug on so long I’ve forgotten what he did but I remember it sounding really bad when I heard the accusations.

Rape is horrible but if he's getting "30 to life" for two rapes from twenty years ago, we need to up our standards for other crimes/criminals. Like what R19 is saying.

I mean Jared from Subway only got 15 years and he was diddling young kids. Which to me is way, way, way, way, way worse than adult rape

Damn, they threw the book at him.

Thirty years to life seems excessive under the circumstances.

Why is his sentence so extreme? Because he drugged, raped, and was violent. He ruined those womens lives. So 🖕you!

[quote]You can be deadlocked on one charge and not the others? I thought jurors had to agree on each count or it was a mistrial.

You are an idiot.

Criminal juries have to agree on guilt or innocence or else it is a mistrial. Every juror does not have to vote to convict on every charge in order to get a result, dummy.

I didn't read where he drugged anyone.

He got extra time for being hideously ugly.

Tom Cruise wasted so much money on his defense fund. What a moron.

That should be the sentence going forward for theft. We will soon see a drop off in five finger discounts.

R30, go back and read the testimonials of those women. He drugged one and woke up to him raping her. When woke up while being raped, she fought him. He punched her then smothered her with a pillow, until she backed out. The whole time he was calling her trash, a whore and that was his method. He's probably done it other times as well.

I can't listen to Michael Jackson songs. I can't watch the Naked Gun movies. And now I can't watch That 70s Show reruns.

These are state charges, correct, so he won't be a nice prison??

Sentencing often depends on the judge. This one was extreme.

Bijou is a head case.

What a waste of naturally curly hair.

Where can we read what he actually did? Are court documents online?

[quote] go back and read the testimonials of those women.

Link.

He should get THIRTY years in the slammer just for appearing on that CRAPPY show which might be even WORSE that that LAME ASS show

FRIENDS

I'm surprised that anyone would think 30 years is excessive for a repeat offender who drugged and raped his victims (both vaginally and sometimes anally) and was said to be otherwise physically violent during his sexual attacks. He's depraved and got the sentence he deserved.

Danny, my husband was railroaded too! Stand by your man, Bijou.

I hope the civil suits leave Bijou penniless. That's probably why the family was sobbing in court.

I wish Cosby had gotten 30 years. It's sickening that he got his sentence overturned. I have no doubt he raped far more women than we know about.

Haha! Must be the scientology.

Not everyone kowtows to false masters, r9 .

Psychopath clam getting his due.

Don’t understand why the J6 crew are getting such light sentences.

I was molested.

R48. It's not false.

r51 Associated Press is not in charge of the world.

Yes, what this guy did was bad, but murderers get less jail time.

Why the justice system thinks this deserves more jail time than murder is ridiculous.

Fucking GOOD.

R48=CLAM cunt fuck

There is no limit to the evils of Scientology, and I would be very happy to see that cult destroyed in my lifetime.

Harvey Weinstein got 23 years in New York and an additional 16 years in California....just for reference's sake.

I think it would be better for murderers to be given longer sentences, rather than giving less to serial rapists.

How is it worth it to force someone to have sex with you? I don't get it. There is no vantage point from which rape makes sense to me.

Harvey made me fuck him.

LA Times

"Biden administration considers forcing migrant families to remain in Texas"

How about remaining in Mexico

I thought Scientology would some how get him out of this.....guess not.

Leah Remini must be loving this.

If his brother needs support, I'll gladly give him the best BJ to get him over this hardship

R52. It's not only the Associated Press Style Guide. It's common grammar rules.

[quote]Not eligible for parole until he's 77. Beautiful.

Just in time for "That 2020s Show".

R62, please check your 17th edition of the Chicago Manual os Style before you completely embarrass yourself, especially 9.2 and 9.3.

Good. Scientologotrash. Let him rot in there. His career/life is over. Guess Hyde ain't so cool now.

[quote]How is it worth it to force someone to have sex with you? I don't get it. There is no vantage point from which rape makes sense to me.

There is a difference between what Weinstein did and what the average rapist who wears a mask and puts a knife to the woman's neck did. Of course, they're both more about control and power than sex (although the coercion and power do provide sexual gratification).

You're looking at it purely through the prism of hot sex.

[quote]There is no vantage point from which rape makes sense to me.

That's good, it means you're not a sadistic psycho.

Conan was joking back in 2004, or maybe he was on to something.

I think the people whining about his sentence being too long are only doing so because he's famous. If a convenience store clerk committed multiple violent rapes then they wouldn't question a 30 year sentence.

[quote] The defense unsuccessfully had sought to have their client’s time served concurrently.... if the defense’s argument had been successful that would have seen Masterson imprisoned for 15 years to life as the maximum

Looks like he got consecutive sentences, rather than concurrent sentences.

So, the jury found he raped 2 women. Each charge (one for each woman) would have subjected him to 15 years (sounds like).

If run concurrently (at the same time), that would make it 15 years.

Consecutive (15 years, then 15 more) would make it the 30 that we have here.

Not sure how a life sentence was a possible outcome. CA must have a law that attaches life sentences to sexual assaults.

I volunteer to condle his brother.

^ I already called it. Bitch, wait your turn but It's going to be a long time.

damn, that's tough. Murderers get less time

He was punching the women in the head as he raped them. Real depraved indifference to life.

Drinkie-poos tonight, BITCHES!

Why does everyone feel bad for Bijou?

She knows he's a rapist but still trails after him like a supportive little cheerleader.

was he on drugs while raping them? i didn't follow the whole case. But damn, punching their heads while raping? that's so fucked up.

his parents must be so proud!

R71, actually, there are 2 handsome actor brothers. We can rotate.

Bijou also didn't believe that her half-sister Mackenzie Phillips (same father, John Phillips) was having sex with their father. Even Chynna (same father, different mother from both Bijou and Mackenzie) believed Mackenzie. I do believe Mackenzie. That was a sordid tale.

r74 = Sam McCoy

I meant JACK McCoy, of course!

R31: He’s a criminal rapist and Justice was served but c’mon he’s by no means ugly.

r78 r82

Rigged Jury!

Trump molested over 20 women. How many years does he get?

^^^^^ RIGHT? ^^^^^^^

I never met those women. They're all liars.

R30, the testimony does suggest that the women were drugged—he gave them a drink and they became woozy.

Sentencing is all over the place because different states have different rules about sentencing. In addition, you can usually get a shorter sentence by agreeing to plead guilty. Going to trial is a huge gamble.

He got the sentence violent rapists SHOULD get. Instead of saying it was too harsh, we should be expecting at least the same for murderers. It's the judges who give lenient sentences who are in the wrong, not this one who gave a fair sentence.

Someone who rapes while beating and smothering somebody or holding a gun to their head deserves what he got, at minimum.

Has anyone reached out to Xenu for a comment yet?

You don't reach out to Xenu, Xenu reaches out to you.

I agree R89.

Yeah, I’m guessing that he rejected a plea offer that would’ve involved less than 30 years.

Danny must've come across as glib and suppressive in court.

[qoute]Actor Leah Remini, a former Scientologist who has become the church’s most prominent detractor on social media and through a TV series she hosted featuring dissident ex-members, sat in the front row of the courtroom in support of Masterson’s accusers.

What a badass she is. Damn!

Sorry my formatting didn't work, you guys. But wow, Leah Remini is a force of nature

Is it weird that he didn't testify at either of his trials? Is that normal? You'd think if you were innocent, you'd want your time on the stand. You'd want to shout your innocence from the rooftop.

Danny Masterson's attorney offers the possibility that the actor was simply "a really bad lover"

Yes, it's normal for a defendant in a criminal case to not testify.

If you were accused of murdering someone and you claimed self-defense, then yes, it would be normal to testify.

One of his defense attorneys, Shawn Holley, said:

[quote] “Mr. Masterson did not commit the crimes for which he has been convicted, and we, and the appellate lawyers, the best and the brightest in the country, are confident that these convictions will be overturned.”

She sounds overconfident, IMO - "best and brightest"?

I'm so glad Masterson got such a harsh sentence. It's harsh, but it's just. He deserves every second of it.

Taking the stand for the first time Oct. 24, Masterson accuser Christina B (aka Jane Doe 3) testified that she and the actor had been going out for more than four years, starting in 1997, when she woke up on one occasion in 2001 at his Hollywood Hills home (where she lived at the time) to find him having sex with her.

"I told him I didn't want to have sex, and he wouldn't stop," she said. He pinned her arms, she continued, making her feel "trapped...I was screaming at him to get off of me."

When she pulled on his hair, which was against a rule he had against touching his face or hair, he struck her on the left side of her face, the witness said, then spit on her and called her "white trash" as he got up.

About a year into their ultimately six-year relationship, Christina said, "He became very aggressive sexually...I remember coming back from Paris [in 1998] and I was really really tired and jet-lagged and sick and he wanted to have sex and I didn't. And it resulted in a fight where he dragged me by my hair along the floor. He called me fat and other insults. That's the first that I remember."

Whether she wanted to have sex when he did or not, she continued, "most of the time I let it happen. It would get to the point where if I made it an issue, he would ignore me for a day or two where I would go groveling to him."

And if she didn't apologize to him, she said, "there would be no communication."

R74 & R77: For a period, Danny was a celeb DJ at clubs/parties. He went by the name DJ Donkey Punch!! (before changing it to DJ Mom Jeans)

[quote][R71], actually, there are 2 handsome actor brothers. We can rotate.

I saw this so decided to check.

I had no idea that one of his brothers was the oldest son on Malcolm in the Middle.

r103

I was going to bring up the DJ Donkey Punch name. I had no idea what it meant.😖🤮 He was pretty brazen.

Bijou is going to have to get a job.

He got 15 years for each rape and the judge opted for the sentences to serve consecutively, not concurrently.

Bijou can start a handbag Etsy store with Christine Bautgartner

Didn’t Shawn Holly defend Lindsay Lohan back in the day?

This will help women ! The evil type of man will pause a bit before unleashing.

Goodbye, Wisconsin.

I don't know him.

He was born into the CoS. He sounds like an actual psychopath.

We were actually hoping for Francis, but we'll take him.

I love Leah Remini. She's fearless. Here's her statement:

My statement on the sentencing of Scientologist Danny Masterson:

"Sitting in court today with the women who survived Danny Masterson's predation was a surreal experience. Over the past seven decades, former Scientologists have sadly become used to Scientology using its financial resources, religious protection, and relationships to snatch justice away from them.

For over two decades, Danny Masterson avoided accountability for his crimes. While Danny was the only one sentenced, his conviction and sentence are indictments against Scientology, its operatives, and its criminal leader, David Miscavige.

Scientology managed to cover up Danny's crimes with the help of its intelligence agency, the Office of Special Affairs, top "church" officials like Kirsten Caetano Pedersen and Julian Swartz, its network of media-hungry unethical attorneys, private investigators, agents, and civilian Scientologists who engaged in a conspiracy to cover up crimes of sexual violence.

I am relieved that this dangerous rapist will be off the streets and unable to violently assault and rape women with the help of Scientology, a multi-billion-dollar criminal organization with tax-exempt status.

Hearing the survivors read their victim impact statements aloud in court while the man who raped them and some of the very Scientologists who terrorized them over two decades were just a few feet away displayed a level of bravery that I am in awe of.

These women not only faced the living hell of being raped, having their rapes covered up by the very organization that promised to protect them, but they have also faced ruthless and criminal harassment by Scientology and its agents since they came forward to law enforcement.

I will always remind the public that in Scientology if you report another Scientologist to law enforcement, you are committing a high crime. The consequences of such a high crime are devastating: you will lose everything you've ever known, from your family to your friends to your job.

The women who survived Danny's predation fought tirelessly for justice. Their tenacity, strength, and courage have given hope to all victims of Scientology that justice is possible. For that, we will forever be grateful.

To the LAPD detectives, the LA District Attorney's office, Judge Olmedo, and the jury, we thank you for your fair and impartial approach to this case and trial."

Right, R105?? I'd never heard the term "Donkey Punch" until Masterson used it as his DJ name. When I looked it up in the urban dictionary, I was shocked, mystified, appalled, disgusted. Whether or not it was even a "real thing" who in the HELL would think that's a funny name to call themselves??? He was practically advertising, or bragging. What a loathsome piece of shit!

That was a beautiful statement by Leah Remini, R115

This is the year of true justice! More to come

I don't think we'll be seeing Danny anymore - good riddance.

R116- Omg! I had to look that up and it is violent and disgusting. Didn't he stalk and threaten them? Threaten them and their family if they testified and he has his cult threatening them as well? He is a danger to women and I believe his violence towards his victims would have escalated. The judge apparently thought the same.

GOOD.

Bijou is trash. She was laughing about the allegations when he was arrested. Bet she’s not laughing now.

There’s a movie called Donkey Punch.

That’s surprising I didn’t think he’d get real time

I was sexually assaulted by a group of guys in college. They actually bragged about it so I was put through all kinds of questions by officials. I didn’t have the vocabulary or emotional maturity to process what had happened. There is a moment when the attack is going in that you think they’re going to kill your to keep you quiet.

I don’t know to this day whether I’m a survivor or not.

When I see a story like this I think good. Fuck him.

R124 I’m really sorry that happened to you.

Ooh, the Unrated Bare Knuckle Edit! Even tackier than the theatrical version!

Donkey Punch stars DL favorite Julian Morris

Bijou may have to go back to work.

One of his accusers -- former girlfriend, Chrissie Bixler (who was with him during early years of T7S) -- believes her dog was poisoned (and had to be euthanized as a result of said poisoning) in retaliation for speaking out.

I really don't understand why Chrissie B was with him for six years. She said the rough sex and demeaning treatment started around a year in. I can't believe she stuck around for five more years of abuse. Why do people do this? Is it an addictive cycle of love/abuse/love/abuse? Sounds HORRIBLE

How hard do they hit someone? Do they hit them with their fist? Please describe in detail how they assault them. Tia

Hard enough to make their anal sphincter clench up involuntarily, apparently R130

[quote] I really don't understand why Chrissie B was with him for six years. She said the rough sex and demeaning treatment started around a year in. I can't believe she stuck around for five more years of abuse. Why do people do this?

She may have been financially dependent on him. She may have a codependent personality type. It's possible that, when he's sober, he can be a nice person. Maybe she wanted to be an actress. Maybe she wanted to be famous. Maybe abusive dynamics were what she was used to.

Personally, there are certain things I can't unsee. If I see someone being cruel or having a mean streak, I can't ignore it.

The other inmates are going to have a field day

R131- I apologize for being so dense, but they use a weapon? I just can imagine anyone being capable of hitting a person that hard with only their fist when both are in that position.

[quote]When I see a story like this I think good. Fuck him.

Totally understandable, R124! So sorry that happened to you.

I often think about the potentially dangerous situations my friends & I found ourselves in during college....partying at frat houses, or other non-frat parties. Any one of us could have found ourselves in a situation such as yours....and now I wonder about how many of my (female) friends did...but just never said anything/didn't want to admit it. 😢

R129, I think that the women were Scientologists. That’s why they were intimidated. They were mentally abused to begin with.

R125 and R135, thank you. Truly.

I figured if I shared this on any other thread, I'd be dragged and told that I liked it.

I ended up moving to another part of the campus to get away from all the drama because word had gotten around. I can'tt imagine what i would be like in today's social media world. I would have killed myself.

I learned a great deal about people's tendency to judge and make fun of victims. It made it impossible to make friends. Fortunately, I was able to make one good friend when I moved to another part of the university.

Sometimes when the college reaches out asking for donations I feel like writing back to them as to what happened to me. But I don't think they'd care.

But I'm alive. I'm okay. I don't think I've ever really learned to trust.

R137- I'm so sorry that happened to you. I know how demeaning it is, which I suppose is exactly why they do this. I know I felt so guilty and stupid for getting myself in that situation. It took me years to trust my own judgement again and that meant never trusting anyone and I don't. I hope you heal.

I really hope you find some peace, one day, R124/137. I'm sending you a big, loving, virtual hug....however lame & inconsequential (or performative)l, that might sound to some people. Be well. You are a survivor!

I was in the same law school class (1989) as the sentencing judge. She nailed him!—rightly so.

Oh, that's GREAT, R140!!!

Bijou can work at the local McDonalds. She can put their kid in the welfare childcare while she’s there. Can the couple get sued for damages now by the victims?

Masterson's wife, Bijou Phillips, a model and actor who was a constant presence at her husband's trials, quickly donned a pair of sunglasses after Olmedo announced the sentence. She left the courtroom without a word.

This guy only got 180 days in jail for raping a 4-year old and a 9-year old. So I don't understand why Masterson could get 30 years.

R144, the defendant was a juvenile when he committed those crimes.

will Bijou visit him in jail?

R144 can’t read—he should stay away from a law classroom and any courtroom.

R144 =Typical "whataboutism". 🙄 (and has no reading comprehension skills)

Danny: Hi my name is Danny Masterson would you like to touch my balls?

Conan: I've heard about you, and you'll be caught soon I know you will

By today David Miscavige probably doesn't even remember his name.

I got Bijou Phillips confused with Busy Phillips for a minute and was worried.

Sexual crimes should have harsh sentences. I'm all for making murders serve more time, too.

Danny sounds unhinged. I really think he'd love to drug, rape, and then beat a woman to death but doesn't want to be caught. He seems completely devoid of compassion. A true psychopath.

I wonder how long his wife will stay with him. Is she crazy religious like Chyna? Scientologists can have two religions, right?

Hopefully she'll realize life is better when your lover isn't an aggressive asshole.

I hope it makes him crazy, thinking of her leaving him for another man. Another man being his daughter's father figure–not so much because he cares about his kid, but it will hurt his pride. Now he's trapped with little to no control over his life.

He obviously has a high sex drive. And now he has to make do with pretty prison twinks.

I hope all the women he's assaulted, and I'm sure it's more than these three, sleep well tonight.

R135/R139, it helps more than you might think.

I've survived.

Not everyone gets to say that.

[Quote] He obviously has an high sex drive. And now he has to make do with pretty prison twinks. R153

Only after Momma and Big Bubba are done turning Danny’s hole into a rosebud. He’ll have to work his way up the chain before he gets to be a top.

R109 Indeed she did!

A clam who belongs in a sealed can.

POS. And fuck judges who give POS, violent rapists like DM, 2-7 years. They ALL deserve 15-30+.

Start sentencing rapists, child molesters, and those who produce/consume, CSA 15-30 years minimum, PER offense.

Men like this, and even women who molest kids as well, RUIN lives. So fuck them. Put them away for a long time.

You wanna hurt kids and/or adults because that’s how you get off? Then get ready to do hard time.

Hope he rots.

Props to the judge who did right by these women.

No comment on BP, other than I hope she can GTF AWAY from her cult and truly heal/recover.

r158 I feel like I've read this exact post before. Is this deja vu or a copy/paste?

I'm actually not joking. This is weird.

R159, it’s my first time commenting on this particular thread regarding D.M., however, surely I’m not the only person who harbors and expresses these sentiments.

Also, as an aside, I have LOTS of love for Mackenzie, who is an AMAZING human being, without one shitty or stuck up bone in her body. And I want to. E clear about something: most of the women in this family are NOT necessarily bad people.

I won’t get into specifics, however, these aren’t vain, heads in the clouds, Hollywood nepo-chicks.

It’s a shame BP ended up with this POS. That’s why I’m wishing her well, & sincerely hope she can get out, now that her abusive, POS husband is in prison.

D.M. deserves every second he had been sentenced to, & more.

He used to DJ at a Sunday Brunch hot spot in town, & the stories that came out of just those gigs alone, were awful.

He’s NOT a good dude, and I’m really upset, yet understand how and why Ashton Kutcher & Mika Kunis continue to vouch for this POS.

If you have never met someone like D.M. in the sense where you unfortunately get to witness their dark side behind closed doors? You just cannot fathom it.

I had never encountered the dark side of someone I completely loved and trusted, until after hitting my late 40s.

My mother KNOWINGLY brought in a sex offender, domestic violence abuser into our family, & hid it from us for YEARS.

I cannot even begin to express to any of you here the absolute mind fuck one goes through, when one totally loves and accepts someone onto their lives like a father, only to find out be’s nothing but a POS domestic violence abuser & rapist/sex offender.

Just like Bijou? My mother has carried water for his POS. I’ve basically lost my mother. It’s just as it happened to Bijou. She’s gone into some sort of cult like way of life, & I will NEVER, EVER get my mom back, and I now understand I do NOT want her back, anyhow.

👆🏽 That’s difficult to accept, yet I’m negotiating this right now, within myself, because I deserve to be free from all of her bullshit, & the bullshit of the man she chose to marry, while knowing how awful he is.

WTF is going on when women cannot get out?

It’s called generational abuse, and men like D.M., & my stepfather, seek out women who have never healed, in order to re-victimize them.

D.M. is a straight up, dangerous predator.

I hope his wife realizes who she married, & SOON.

r160 No, you're not the only person who feels that way, and I agree with everything you said. I just meant that I felt like I read your post word for word before. Must've definitely been deja vu. That was very bizarre. Maybe I need to give DL a break. I'm starting to see this board in my subconscious, now. o_O

DUMBASS!

R9, there’s little style in these parts…AP’s or otherwise.

R161, first of all, apologies for all of my typos, as I was discussing household stuff with one of my roommates, as I typed.

The above stated, men like D.M. are HUGE head fucks for women/men who come from abusive childhoods.

THIS is why I’m still rooting for B.P.

I genuinely hope she can come to understand why she married the man she married, & why she’s in her specific situation, today.

It’s NOT her fault, however, she does need to unravel it all, & needs to CLEARLY understand that this wasn’t all some accident.

The road to recovery from this type of shit is painful, yet bearable. I hope she makes it through.

The Clams are gonna abandon him now that he's no longer a revenue stream.

R165?

Perhaps.

Or perhaps they will USE his sentence, in order to gain a foothold in the California Penal/Incarceration System.

They’re advantageous/opportunistic AF, so the latter would not be out of the question.

Daniel Peter Masterson (born March 13, 19760; 47

How Danny Masterson's Wife Bijou Phillips Reacted to His 30-Year Prison Sentence

[quote]How Danny Masterson's Wife Bijou Phillips Reacted to His 30-Year Prison Sentence

I can see the psychiatric hospital meltdown, now.

Have Chyna Phillips (Bijou's half-sister) and Billy Baldwin weighed in?

No comment!

As an aside....I can't help but feel a little sorry for everyone else associated with That '70s Show. Not necessarily Ashton Kutcher, Wilder Valderamma or Laura Prepon -- they were all good buddies/close with Masterson. (while he was with Chrissie Bixler)

But everyone else: Topher Grace (who had the good sense to separate himself/was always on the outside of their little clique), Debra Jo Rupp, Kurtwood Smith, Don Stark....as well as the hundred or so other behind-the-camera crew members who worked on it.

It was a great & funny (and often very sweet) show for the first few seasons! Sadly, it will now probably be forever tainted by the STINK of Danny Masterson. Fuck you, Hyde!

Danny Masterson has assaulted a lot more victims than the ones he was convicted of raping. We will never know how many he got away with because the cult covered them up.

Oh, I have no doubt there are more victims, but since he most likely singled out Scientologists we'll never know how many.

Apparently he’s in a mental ward for criminals in the process of being medically treated for alcohol withdrawal. Apparently dude bro was on the sauce at every waking moment.

Lipstick alley is dragging him, saying that he has “low ears” and “where is Zenu?” and “the mothership can’t save him so his ass is gonna get left, he needs to listen to Erykah “ hahaha

Why was he raping women? It just makes no sense. Practically all of America watched That 70s Show, he must get recognized everywhere he goes and women would've gave it up willingly boyfriend or not. He also had a wife at home. What the hell is his issue?

Um....."practically all of America" did NOT watch That '70s Show, R176. You sound like a dumb twat that I saw on Twitter earlier today, calling him one of the "biggest tv stars" of the early aughts. A certain younger demographic might have been watching That '70s Show , but it never ranked higher that #49 (for the season) in Nielsen Ratings. The cast of That '70s Show were never household names (and certainly not Masterson) unlike, say: Ray Romano, Kelsey Grammer, Patrick Dempsey, the cast of FRIENDS, or even Deborah Messing (bwah!) Also: you're an idiot. And clearly haven't read anything about it/the timeline.

Oh, CHRIST, R177 is here, y'all. There goes ALL of the oxygen in the room.

A thirty-year sentence is FUCKING absurd. I think 5-7 would've been appropriate. I mean...that's crazy. Even Jake Tapper was shocked when he reported it yesterday,

BTW, I always thought Masterson was drug dealer HOT

I am now officially a big fan of Leah Remini. Wow.

R177 = Angry That 70s Show hater who brought Hate Receipts

Nope, that's where you've got it wrong, R180! (and R178). I LOVED That '70 Show (through the first five seasons; the rest weren't bleh). I went to many tapings because I lived within walking distance from Radford (and it was free!). But it wasn't a *hugely* popular show outside of the 18-34 demographic; the cast were not "household names" along the lines of the people I mentioned at R177.

Will Nancy Cartwright fund his commissary account?

I bet he's very affectionate and tender with his male lovers. Maybe he subconsciously wanted to get sent up so he could get lots of trade cock?

[quote]Why was he raping women? It just makes no sense.

Because he's a nasty drunk.

Plus he was a clam, a male and a celebrity, R184. I’m sure his type of behavior is completely tolerated within their “church”. All that power and support makes you an entitled asshole.

"I've heard about you. You'll be caught soon."

If you're a very violent rapist, and you've repeated it with more than one woman, you're an enormous risk to murder.

Can the people who keep talking about sex and how he could have got plenty of it please stick their heads back up their asses? EVERYONE should know by now that rape is about wielding power and causing degradation, not about sex.

We get it, you don't understand that because you're not a rapist and you think about sex every ten seconds, but it is the case whether you can understand it or not. Women can all tell you that toxic men (who think of themselves as Alphas) are way more about wielding power than getting sex, whether they're actual rapists or just bullies who like to keep their employees on the back foot.

Anyone who rapes someone like this is a menace to society. Maybe give him a chemical castration as an option.

Rape *is* indeed about sex. Non-consensual sex.

Didn't one victim say he choked her? This is a very dangerous potential for eventually murdering a woman. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he has.

I wonder if a "donkey punch" delivered with enough force and at just the right angle can snap a neck.

The violence of the assaults and druggings seem to be factors in the severity of the sentence.

Re Bijou, if she has family outside Scientology and she's not too entangled with the Masrersons, who are hard-core clams, there's some hope. But it wouldn't surprise me if the cult has assigned a minder to her much like they did Katie Holmes to keep her in line. I wonder if these last three months of relative peace without him around have given her pause to think, at least, that life is so much more peaceful when he's not around. Finances are going to be a factor. IIRC, he put their multi-million dollar home up for sale between trials.

By all reports, R191, she’s a big cunt, so I’m sure no one cares. She can hitch up her trailer next to Tori’s.

Men who rape with violence usually hate women and raping them while abusing them physically is their way to demonstrate that hatred.

Ugh. Prior to Masterson's sentencing, Ashton Kutcher & Mila Kunis wrote letters of support to the judge asking for leniency, calling him a "role model" (Kutcher) and praising his "exceptional character" (Kunis). SMH.

You're not wrong, r193, but that sentence has some redundancies in it.

It is possible that some of Danny's partners agreed to rough doggy-style sex, but it's hard to imagine any of them consented to being punched in the back of the head to enhance his orgasm.

For the umpteeth time: rape/sexual assault is not about having sex. It is an act of violence. Capisce?

Finally some justice.

[quote]When she pulled on his hair, which was against a rule he had against touching his face or hair

That's so weird.

Does Bijou get any Mamas & Papas royalties?

[quote]For the umpteeth time: rape/sexual assault is not about having sex. It is an act of violence. Capisce?

It would be helpful if you tagged the poster you were addressing, r196. I think most of us "capisce" it just fine.

One other thing about donkey-punching and its definitely not being consensual. In one of its extremest forms, the element of surprise is emphasized.

TRIGGER WARNING Of GRAPHIC ASSAULT FOLLOWS

A woman could be having a what she thought was plain old vanilla sex from behind, but shortly before her partner cums, he pulls out of her vagina, and rams his penis forcefully and painfully into her ass.

....then punches her in the back of the head. Danny thought that was so funny that he used it as his name. Given what we now know, it isn't hard to believe that he practiced this on many unsuspecting women for laughs. The humiliation could be so great that we will probably never hear from them.

In jail for 30 years? It's better than *under* the jail.

Most women who enjoy rough sex aren't looking to get beat up. They just want a man to slam that thang. They want to get dick slapped, not cold cocked across the face.

I never hears of 'That '70s Show' until it was off the air.

R200 it was directed at the entire thread…I’m not wasting my own time calling out each and every asshole. If that were required, then no one could ever successfully log out of DL.

This sentence is outlandish and will be overturned on appeal. Maybe he could make a deal for an Alford Plea and get out on time already served? He's not staying in prison 30 years. No fucking way.

R204, it’s too late for an Alford plea; he’s been convicted. He should have thought of that earlier.

R199 I think it would depend on how John Phillips structured his will. John had four other kids in addition to Bijou and was also on his third marriage at the time of his death. I wouldn't be surprised if Mackenzie and the son Jeffrey were cut out of the will.

R204 is dumb. Or just stupid. More likely, BOTH.

Re papa john

This man is a monster and a moral disaster. On so many different levels that it’s almost hard to comprehend. He put his victims through hell.

I was a That 70s Show fan. And I liked the Hyde character. I’ll never watch it again. Way too tainted with the slime of this depraved criminal. It’s genuinely creepy to me to think of enjoying the show, blissfully unaware of what he was capable of behind the scenes. You just never know when a true psychopath is hiding in plain sight.

Leah Remini is a hero for our times.

Scott Baio should comment in his defense any moment.

[quote] I was a That 70s Show fan. And I liked the Hyde character.

Whoa. I never watched That 70s Show. I didn't realize that his character's name was "Hyde." Like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

I see that Debra Jo Rupp wrote a letter on Danny's behalf. I wonder if she is pals with that cunt Phylicia Rashad.

R204 what makes you say he won't do his 30 years? In most cases with the Alford plea, the state fears the case could be retried. I see nothing like that here.

There is no plea here Dora Dumfuck

Why is there a poster on this thread that seems committed to getting a violent rapist out in 5-7 yrs?

I would have said "who" designating the poster as a human rather than an inert, soulless clam chasing something its owner told it to, even though it cannot articulate the reasons or morality behind the campaign it's on while being paid $70/week and all the rice and moth infested beans it can eat or scrounge from Sea Org kitchens, tables, and garbage cans. A happy place where many Sea Org slaves feast on restaurant dumpsters along the Boulevard after hours after 12 hour shifts.

Whatever, R215. Thirty years is ridiculous for rape. Some people on here have a mindset straight out of the Middle Ages. You, for example.

If the beatings caused some of the victims permanent physical harm, then I can understand a longer sentence. As far as I know, this didn't happen.

This is an example of a judge making a show of supporting women's rights and coming up with an very harsh, unfair sentence. Ten to fifteen years would have been enough.

This is no different from people on the far right advocating very long, unfair sentences for other crimes.

I guess we will have to wait and see about his appeals case. But for now that mothafucka in jail for 30 years. Talk about being donkey punched.

Yes R216, keep acting like 30 years is too harsh for rape and smothering someone to blackout during a rape. Whatever helps you sleep at night freak.

[quote]This is no different from people on the far right advocating very long, unfair sentences for other crimes.

Possible whataboutism, r216? That's a new one for me.

You're a laughably fanatical moron, R218. Why do things by half measures? Let's make the automatic penalty for rape life in prison, eg real life in prison where the guy dies in jail. In states where there is the death penalty, let's execute them. Problem solved. No chance of recidivism. Doing anything less means you support the oppression of women and minimalize crimes against women. Idiot. You're carried away by emotion but you don't have an ounce of common sense. You're no different than those raging MAGAT idiots who attacked the Capitol. Let's making the legal system all about catering to our basest instincts. Better to punish too harshly than not enough.

*Let's make the legal system all about....

R220 whereas you're not carried away by emotional at all...

R216 I have misgivings about it too. And it's 30 years to life. He'll be 77, assuming he gets out in 30 years.

Maybe after 15 years, there will be some kind of reassessment. But, other than appeals working, I don't see how he avoids the 30.

I kind of wondered if there might be a case against the retroactive changing of statutes of limitations winding its way through the court system. That whole thing always seemed a bit shakey to me.

R184 that's disappointing after seeing how Ashton has been fighting against sex crimes, he goes and does that?! Yuck. That makes him look like a hypocrite.

R220 it IS sad that the gay men here are so reactionary when it comes to the criminal justice system. For some reason, that nasty, ugly trait seems to be hard wired into Americans of all political persuasions, unfortunately.

R224 I give him a pass. It's his friend. Not turning your back on your friend in his darkest hour is not something Kutcher should be dragged for.

Figures Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis would support a rapist.

R222, I'm just using the same tone that R215 and R218 is using. He obviously is respectful of anyone with a different point of view.

R226 shouldn't be in public if he's going to shed tears over rape victims than write letters of support for a rapist... We have a problem with sex crimes being forgiven all the time due to this bs about "well they were a good guy in front of me". Just saying. We can agree to disagree.

I suggest those defending him look up the details. It's disturbing. He thought he was above the law and treating these women as human beings. I bet no one here would be upset if he was out there gay bashing or commiting other hate crimes. Sexual violence at that level should be considered such. I wouldn't doubt it if he's VIOLENTLY raped other women this way but it wasn't reported or he did it out of the country. These types leave trails of victims. It's disturbing that a few comments here are acting like the sentence is hysteria and that rape isn't so bad, as if the violence wasn't severe.

R229 No. It's their friend of 25 years, and they likely don't believe he's a rapist. Obviously, they are not objective about the situation, and clearly the judge knew this and disregarded their (and all) letters.

Their letter did not advocate his innocence, or that he be released. I don't have a problem with it. But now it's gonna be a huge scandal for them with all the shrieking and pearl clutching. Ugh.

Let's hope those who advocate for a shorter sentence get anally raped and punched in the face at the same time.

R220 I don't defend him at all. But I'm not comfortable with his being locked up till he's 77. The judge is basically saying "your life is over at age 47." Doesn't seem just to me. It's just not commiserate with the admittedly awful things he did.

R231 yeah but they did add things like "he's not a known liar" which is the typical excuse we always hear. Idk feels gross. There's more than 2 victims as well. There were 4 women but they only took testimony from 3 (R233). I'm guessing there's others out there. What do you think is appropriate?

R242 Ah yes. More compassionate, liberal gays.

R232 I mean. Sorry.

[quote] Let's making the legal system all about catering to our basest instincts.

Like the base instinct of....imprisoning violent rapists? Yes, it's so beneath evolved individuals to want to make society safe. So base!

[quote]I don't defend him at all. But I'm not comfortable with his being locked up till he's 77.

"That '70s Shitshow"

R234 How is "he's not a known liar" an excuse? I'm sure they were guided by Masterson's attorney as to what might have the possibility to impact the judge. Again, it obviously did not work.

If 30 is too much, for multiple VIOLENT RAPES, against 4 women known of, that included drugging them and beating them, along with post rape intimidation tactics, like killing pets, again I ask, what is the appropriate sentence? I really want to know. Don't forget they are 15 yr sentences just not concurrent. So what do you all think he should've received?

Ten years is enough. He'll really think twice about repeating his crimes when he gets out. If he does, throw the book at him.

Twenty five to thirty years is appropriate for murder.

Uh no. Life in prison is appropriate for murder. Decades in prison is appropriate for a violent sexual crime.

I find his wife’s letter to be very bizarre. Is it just me?

R241 for all the victims? Or per victim? And no regard for the drugging or other violence? This isn't your one time rape, where both parties were drinking and maybe people could argue he made a mistake. This was a habit with a pattern. The other acts along with the rapes, he was confronted about btw, didn't make him "learn a lesson", not even after paying out 400k.

Won't someone think about how hard it is for the violent rapists?!

R244 nailed it!

R240 He was only convicted of two, right? So you're saying people should be punished for crimes they haven't been convicted of? People get way too emotional over this stuff. Turns everyone into an authoritarian. Stop and think a little.

I don't know what he should've gotten, and I'm sure glad I wasn't charged with deciding his punishment. All I can tell you is I don't feel 30 years, basically the rest of his life, is a fair sentence.

Now, the judge followed the law. I believe Masterson did the crimes. He has to serve his time. I just think it's way too much time.

I'm in Canada R242. We're not as bloodthirsty and vengeful as you Yanks. That's why prisons are a big industry in the U.S.

R247 here. Damn it, should read 30 years is NOT a fair...

I've heard Canadians complain about how there is more concern for criminals' lives than victims' lives so it makes sense you're Canadian R248. Good little spineless robots you are.

Thank you R246 I'm bowing out of the conversation. It's too upsetting. I read their testimonies. He was evil. There's multiple victims. There's violence and intimidation. He's a bad man. R241 no it's not being bloodthirsty. I'm fine with people that made mistakes getting chances. I'm fine with low sentences for non violent crimes. I can not say I'm fine with a serial rapist that felt above it all and no matter how many times he was confronted, even by police, he continued. You're a fool if you think these 4 we're the only ones too. He could've not raped those women. He made that decision. Don't dare put it on others that want justice for those women. I refuse to feel bad for anyone but the victims. If anything, Canada should learn something. They have plenty of instances of violent sex criminals getting out and offending again. Sometimes escalating to murder. Do you feel proud of that? There's a level of sex predators that can not be rehabilitated. It's been proven. Not pedos and not serial rapists.

R244, as R247 pointed out, he was convicted of two rapes. Ten years for all the convictions. When he's let out at 57, his best years will be behind him.

Does anyone have a link to court docs stating what he did?

[quote] read their testimonies

Link.

He deserved to have the book thrown at him, and he did. The fact that he's a creepy Scientologist and that the "church" tried to protect him makes the outcome even more satisfying.

Your mischaracterization of the Canadian justice system makes me laugh, R250.

In Canada you can stab someone on a Greyhound bus and eat their face and still get paroled.

R248 Yeah, for some reason, we Americans see other people as not being actual humans. "Oh yeah throw him away for 30 years and forget him." The reality of this person waking up every single day for the rest of his long life in prison doesn't seem to get through.

I have this fight on here every time Leslie Van Houten comes up for parole. They want to keep a 76 year old lady locked up for something she did at age 19, under the influence of a possibly CIA trained mad man who used drugs to control her. Just petty and ugly.

Well as long as his best years are behind him, then there's no need to take a violent rapist off the streets for several years.

He shouldn't even get ten years for his crimes, actually. The humiliation of being convicted will make him think twice about committing rape again.

[quote]If anything, Canada should learn something. They have plenty of instances of violent sex criminals getting out and offending again. Sometimes escalating to murder.

The same thing happens in the U.S., R251. Oprah has talked about such cases on her show more than once.

R256 doubt it

R261, see R260.

[quote]Yeah, for some reason, we Americans see other people as not being actual humans.

Masterson is an evil bastard who is severely lacking in humanity.

I get your point, R258. But I would reply that every single case is different, and many people would say the cases of Leslie Van Houten and Danny Masterson, to pick only two examples, are EXTREMELY different. That's one of the reasons why judges have such great latitude when imposing sentences.

Well then, R259, the sentence should be 60 years in prison. That's not excessive at all. He might still be alive at 77.

10 years is enough for this MeToo shit. There was no actual evidence to convict him. There needs to be a statute of limitations on these sex crime accusations, where the victims were adults.

Even the most liberal of Canadians are getting fed up with the lack of punishment R261.

Rape is a made up crime. If there's no camera footage then it didn't happen.

R265 but then a violent rapist's life will be over! SO unjust.

R259 I am sure all the women he tormented would not agree with you. I hope you never experience what his victims experienced. I hope he fits in jail and spends the whole 30 years in prison. He is a self entitled worm scum!

Honestly, I’d like to hear someone who has been raped and who has also spent years in prison come forward and compare the two. I think such a person would be the best person to judge how many years in prison is proportional to the crime of rape.

I have questions about how many years are appropriate since this happened years ago and he has a daughter who. The victims are not the only stakeholders, his family are also stakeholders.

Yes, R269. We can't take the chance of him learning his lesson and not raping again after the age of 57. There's no such thing as a sentence that's too harsh. It just something dreamed up by bleeding heart liberals.

His daughters and or other family members are irrelevant. That's not how courts make decision unless they were part of the crime. I hope you never serve on Jury Duty, you don't sound like the brightest bulb in the room.

Totally R272. Middle aged men never commit sexual crimes, what's the point of sending them to prison? Makes no sense.

I think spending ten years in prison will make him think twice, R274.

R275 ten years is too long, you vengeful heartless bastard. We don't want to take a violent rapist out of society, we just want him to think twice.

R9 appreciate the reference to the AP Style Manual but we needn’t follow it on DL. OP may simply prefer styling his posts per The New Yorker, which spells out all numbers, even dollar amounts. Or it used to—haven't read it in a while.

You're trolling, R276. I will ignore you from now on. Good day, sir.

You sound like a lovely person, R266.

You catch on quick, genius R278. Good to see you leaving, as your take on this was completely moronic.

R266 One of the most heartless, bone-chilling comments I’ve ever read on here. And that’s saying something on Datalounge! I can only hope your trolling.

Following on r277, one very handy style element pertains to multi-paragraph quotations. This convention requires an open-quote mark at the beginning of each successive paragraph (but no close-quote mark until the final para).

This signals to the reader that the quotation is ongoing, and saves him or her from having to search for the single little close-quotation mark several paragraphs away.

Or you can indent the whole quotation, which serves the same purpose.

Anyway, appreciate the quote from Rimini, thanks, r115.

[quote]Rape is a made up crime. If there's no camera footage then it didn't happen.

A court of law requires actual evidence and proof beyond a reasonable doubt for a criminal conviction. “Believe all victims” shouldn’t be the legal standard, despite what an insane woman like Rose McGowan says.

R273, I understand that’s not how courts think, and I think the system is wrong for not considering family members.

I’m sure there are a lot of nervous men in Hollywood right about now…

[QUOTE]Whatever, [R215].

Behold a slave to the cult who minimizes violent, life-threatening rape as "whatever" to please its masters.

Danny Mastodon when he gets out.

So hard on him!

I HOPE he’s raped in prison as gets donkey punched.

R210, he’s another POS.

Has he FINALLY moved out of Thousand Oaks?

I loathe that little fucker, & I hope he moves to Texas, so that he can melt away in the Texas summertime heat, & be gone for good.

DM looks mean as hell. Mean eyes.

Sheesh, R271! You cannot fathom that this man is INDEED, a violent rapist when alone with the women he raped, can you?

He drugged them. He punched them. He sodomized them violently. He held a gun to the head of another. He smothered them with pillows until they blacked out. He dragged them around the house as they were unconscious. He stuck one in the hot tip so that the drugs would kick in faster and more efficiently, which can EASILY kill anyone of any sex, weight, height or age. He threatened their lives. He had his cohorts following his victims. Hr had his cohorts terrorize them and intimidate them regularly. He had his cohorts poison & kill their dogs/pets. He held one victim hostage in her own home for several days while repeatedly drugging & raping her. He strangled some of them until they lost consciousness. It was so bad, his attorneys advised him to pay one victim $400,000.00.

You & others here honestly believe 30 years is too much for this violent sex offender?

No one should care more about planning for/starting/having a family than he should have.

He fucked himself & his own family over by being a violent rapist who was a repeat offender.

Wanna discuss appropriate or unfair punishment, and sentencing?

Lemme tell ya what: Had he been a poor black man, not in the COS, chances are he would have been sentenced to life behind bars, without any possibility of parole, even if the poor black man was completely innocent & wrongly accused.

You wanna discuss unfair, wrongful sentencing? Why don’t you start by researching the HUNDREDS OF BLACK MEN EHO HAVE BEEN WRONGLY ACCUSED AND HAVE SERVED LIFE BEHIND BARS OR HAVE BEEN UNJUSTLY PUT TO DEATH???

I’m sorry, but you & all of these rape apologists on this thread can go fuck right off.

R292, stop calling me a rape apologist.

If he had been tried and convicted closer to the time the events happened, I don’t particularly think 30 years is too long. However, these rapes happened 20 years ago, and circumstances have changed since then — he’s older, less likely to offend again, and he has a daughter who will grow,up,without a father (although it can be argued she’s better off without him).. I don’t think he should get off scot free, but I’m skeptical that 30 years serves any purpose at this point. There are other remedies. There is such thing as a Goldilocks punishment (too lenient, too severe, just right).

For the record, Rodney Reed is not an innocent black man sitting in prison for raping and killing Stacy Stites. And Bill Cosby got out of prison.

R177= Paranoid Psychotic Thundercunt who shits in the corner when men are in the room, you're not fooling anybody. Someone needs to take your jitterbug phone and restrict internet access at your nursing home. You are way too angry at someone you don't know or can't even see. Take a dose of Miralax and unclench you fat whore.

R181 You're a stupid whore

What the hell does the age of a criminal have to do with it? Giving someone a lenient sentence because they got away with a crime for years is probably the dumbest thing I've heard. Almost as dumb as giving someone a lenient sentence because they have a child.

Here's a thought: if you don't want your future children to grow up without a father, don't brutally attack people when you're young.

R292 for all of that, life in prison would be kindness he doesn't deserve.

I hope he shaves his bussy down to skin, cause they’re going to put some serious mileage on that sweet tight hole!

r296 r297 r298

Danny Masterson's Resurfaced Conan O'Brien Interview Is Raising EyebrowsDanny Masterson's Resurfaced Conan O'Brien Interview Is Raising Eyebrows:bj

[quote] When he's let out at 57, his best years will be behind him.

He has to do 30 years before he’ll have a chance at parole. He’ll be nearly 80.

Does he have a big dick?

[quote] He stuck one in the hot tip so that the drugs would kick in faster

The what?

"Judge, please show leniency. Danny was always really nice to me at the craft services table."

r304

I hope the poster who keeps posting the replies of posters he's blocked gets raped and donkey punched by Danny Masterson.

R293, he committed violent rapes repeatedly.

Why does it matter that it happened 20 plus years ago?

BTK, who was a serial killer, as well as the Golden State serial rapist/serial killer, were both apprehended YEARS after they committed their crimes.

Should they too, get a more lenient sentence because time has passed since their last offense?

Danny Masterson is NOT a good person.

Have you ever been bamboozled by a horrible human being, who happens to be absolutely wonderful to you or others, yet behind closed doors, is someone and something that is absolutely in unbelievable and incomprehensible to you or others, R293?

Sadly, I have, and it pretty much broke me.

I couldn’t believe someone I absolutely loved, respected & genuinely trusted as if though he were my very own father, was REPEATEDLY physically/mentally/emotionally abusing my mother for YEARS, behind closed doors.

Guess what? He was. And not only did he harm her, as he also harmed every single woman he had been married to, before my own mom, which by the way, hid his past and multiple marriages from me and our family, other than the one to his first wife, whom we all thought had been his only previous marriage.

I can spend days telling you or anyone, really, how screwed up this man was/is, & I can honestly tell you that I or any of us in my family had a single clue what kind of man my mother brought into our family.

Let’s hypothetically propose that my mother’s current husband hasn’t beaten her in 20 years… what exactly does that do?

My mom is a complete shell of a human being now. Every time she ended up or ends up hospitalized, I wonder if the reason given for the hospitalization is/was truthful.

This man runs around acting like the most WONDERFUL person, and guess what? He IS WONDERFUL to MANY people, as long as they don’t live with him, and oppose him regarding anything, whatsoever, behind closed doors.

Masterson profoundly hurt others, R293. I am able to objectively understand your POV, however, he absolutely, truly hurt these women & possibly more, & he deserves his sentence, even if indicted/charged/sentenced 20 plus years later.

He treated these women like garbage, R293. He had ZERO regard for their comfort, health, safety, mental health, physical well being, their personhood, or even their lives and the PTSD one grapples with when victimized by someone like himself.

He didn’t give one flying fuck about his victims, R293. He really, really didn’t, which is why I find his sentence fair, as I have no doubt that at one time, he actually believed he’d gotten away with his crimes.

He’s a REALLY bad man, R293. He really, TRULY is, and I hope that someday, on some level, you can view this in its entirety and reality, and eventually understand that bad people like this are sociopaths who fool MANY, and that his lengthy incarceration is just, because I can promise you that speaking from personal experience?

Men like DM do NOT become better people. They harm others all the way, until the day they drop dead.

R300- Did anyone else feel that Conon disliked DM and was aware of his violent behavior? Because I did. It didn't seem as if he was just joking when he told DM he was going to get caught one day . If Conon knew what DM was foung then it is a reasonable assumption that everyone in Hollywood knew too.

Doing ^

God I hate how crimes bring out the conspiracy theories.

Which conspiracy theory are you alluding to, R310?

Some of you people are reading WAY too much into that clip of DM with Conan. First of all, DM's comment was not bout raping or even having sex with someone, it was just a passing vulgarity about "do you wanna touch my balls," and it seemed clear to me that Conan was offhandedly joking when he said "You're going to get caught for that." Maybe I'm naive, but if Conan had actually heard that DM was a rapist or sexual predator, I REALLY don't think he would have made an offhand joke about it on national TV.

R312, MANY jokes were made regarding Bill Cosby as well, before he was eventually charged/sentenced.

Another POS who deserves to spend the rest of his life behind bars, yet unfortunately, is not.

Also, just want to add that going after other celebrities or others who didn’t explicitly and purposefully enable DM, is fucking ridiculous.

DM committed these crimes, not Conan O’Brian, or AK & MK.

[quote]these rapes happened 20 years ago, and circumstances have changed since then — he’s older, less likely to offend again

What you don't know about the criminal mind is a lot.

"Kutcher — who submitted his letter using his legal name, Christopher A. Kutcher — said his friend, whom he considers a “brother,” is a “role model," “extraordinarily honest” and “nothing but a positive influence” on him. Kutcher said that in the 25 years they’ve known each other, Masterson has never lied to him, and he credited Masterson for helping him avoid drugs in Hollywood as a young star".-YAHOO Entertainment

I wonder how the victims feel hearing that some are trying to make their rapist sound like a good guy?

R176 never watched the show and never heard of Masterson until the allegations.

[QUOTE]By all reports, [R191], she’s a big cunt, so I’m sure no one cares.

Maybe one of her sisters might? They've all had rough upbringings as a matter of degree. Chynna seems to have been spared John, but she's still a mess in her own way

I just read Bijou's Wiki. Wow. There's not much hope for her.

[QUOTE]At 14, Phillips left school and moved into her own apartment with a housekeeper, just off Fifth Avenue.[5] Once described by The Observer as a "wild child", she experienced a rebellious childhood in New York City, where she used to party, drink and take drugs, such as cocaine, ecstasy, and heroin.[5] On this period of her life, she remarked: "If you were 14 years old and able to live on your own in an apartment in New York City, and you got invited to all these clubs, and you got a bank account and you had a car service you could call so that you could go wherever you wanted ... What would happen?".[5]

[quote] Almost as dumb as giving someone a lenient sentence because they have a child.

I worked in the court system for years and two things happened frequently before sentencing: men would feign heart problems before entering the courtroom and women would bring and/or use ‘but I’m a mother!’

Whoa, dude…

So now Mila and Ashton have apologized for writing the letter.

The backlash was furious.

Fucking celebrities always think they have to make statements, speak out, etc. JUST SHUT UP, IDIOTS.

Where did they apologize for writing that letter?

They both seem very angry that they had to apologize. They are assholes just like their serial rapist friend. You know, the shining example of kindness? 🤨

I'm honestly surprised they said anything. If they hadn't perhaps it would have blown over. It's pretty obvious they didn't think their letter would become public but the apology video made them look like complete idiots.

R322 they are not people who can sit quietly.

R307, thank you for your thoroughly reasoned response.

As if they are really sorry. I hope Ashton and Mila get cancelled. Freaking idiots.

Leah Remini & Mike Rinder react to Masterson's sentence.

If I were Ashton and Mila I would tell everyone whinging about the letters (including R327) to go fuck themselves. They wrote a letter attesting to what they know about their friend. Letters that made no difference. Outrage culture is tiresome. Danny is a criminal, and he got the sentence he deserved. All Ashton and Milla did was write letters. It isn't like they held the women down while Danny raped them.

R329, but writing a letter stating that Danny Masterson had been a well-behaved friend and a good colleague in a work environment when he was reliably accused of several violent rapes is equivalent to someone having written a letter stating, for example, that Bill Cosby was nice to old ladies on the street. First of all, one thing has NOTHING to do with the other, and also, it's offensive to stress someone's good points when they're reliably accused of doing something so awful.

Women are power drunk with the attitude shift towards persecution of anyone deemed a rapist. Women are just lucky that mental abuse isn’t illegal or they’d all be in jail.

Something so creepy now about Ashton . Almost trying too hard to be perceived as a wholesome down to earth guy

Ashton is shrewd and a good businessman. Don’t let his goofy/frat boy persona fool you.

R330 reliably accused, my ass. You’re another Dora Dumbfuck. He was convicted, twice.

R335, I'm on your side, asshole. My point was that Kutcher and Kunis shouldn't have written that letter. My mistake for forgetting it was written after the convictions.

Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher showed INCREDIBLY poor judgement, at best, writing those letters. It’s not like Masterson was being tried over a misdemeanour traffic violation or something. These weren’t “mistakes” or indiscretions of youth. The kind of violence he perpetrated against these women puts him in the very twisted criminal category. And obviously the victims were found to be credible in a court of law.

I think this will haunt them for a long time. And rightly so.

What is it about "donkey punch" does Ashton not understand?

I donkey punched Wilmer Vaderrama on an episode of Punk'd! It was epicly hilarious

When will Muriel red-tag & banish, R331?

Please get rid of him, M.

He’s a complete POS, & shouldn’t be here.

R340 needs her little YASSSSS KWEEN FEMME POC EQUITY Echo Chamber or she doesn’t feel safe. Eat shit, cunt!

R307, you don’t need to tell us your story a billion times. Hard to fathom, I know, but none of this is about you and you just sound like a self centered, disordered asshole.

Back pedaling much?

Ashton Kutcher & Mila Kunis Address Backlash Over Masterson Letters

They look so stressed out.

Ashton looks like a drunk nick.

^^^hick not nick

[Quote] Fucking celebrities always think they have to make statements, speak out, etc. JUST SHUT UP, IDIOTS.

AMEN!

It’s probably like serial killers only being tried and convicted for a couple victims when there were 10+. They go with the ones they have the most evidence for.

Ashton talks about his day job

Quote] Fucking celebrities always think they have to make statements, speak out, etc. JUST SHUT UP, IDIOTS.

Now they speak out

Its kind of hilarious how people judge celebs. Like I genuinely remember the behind the laughter That 70s show thing (that's apparently been scrubbed from the internet) and everyone said Topher Grace was a cunt for never getting on with the rest of the cast. Now everyone's saying he's a hero for lasting as long with them as he did.

BURN!

R331 Do you feel SOOO powerful with your misogynistic bullshit on an anonymous gay website?

Murderers literally get less time.

No toxicology evidenced was produced - so we can't say that he drugged them for certain.

3 of the 4 accusers were Scientologists. Not exactly trustworthy people in a court of law.

I've heard of these accusations for years - a decade or more? I just don't see how they were able to conclusively prove this? I'm not defending him - I'm just wondering what other evidence they had?

^Actually it depends on the circumstances of the murder. There are honestly acts of murder that I’ve read about that I find less heinous than this guys crimes as described by the victims. Truly evil.

How do the clams view suicide?

R353 California woke metoo psychos. I’m thinking ex-Scientology revenge

R354 - where can I find their testimony? WORSE than a violent murder?

You sound hyperbolic.

[quote]He held one victim hostage in her own home for several days while repeatedly drugging & raping her.

Did they miss their church service that week or did this event occur afterwards or in between? What day of the week do Scientologists gather to worship? Is it on Sunday or a different day than most of the other religions?

You go girl!!!

So I read the 3 testimonies. One woman was at a club all night and went back to his house with some friends - at which time she had her one and only drink for the night.

Another one said she was over at his place with 20-30 other people and she had a drink in the hot tub and she got woozy and threw up and that he ended up putting her in a shower and washing her breasts. Ummm - to get the VOMIT off?

The only evidence they had was their testimonies - no physical or toxicology evidence. And all 3 met and spoke with each other before pressing charges.

One of the accusers was an ex-girlfriend.

This doesn't sound so airtight to me. And to give him 30 years?

R360 Welcome to the Age of Female Logic.

He’s a piece of shit. So glad his cult wasn’t able to protect him anymore. Or his celebrity buddies.

Okay, I don't get this at all. No matter how much you like someone, would you want it on public record that you tried to help a rapist get leniency? Wouldn't you have felt confused, angry, depressed and even fooled/manipulated after finding out your beloved brother-in-law actually raped and tortured several women?

[quote]Billy Baldwin Says He Doesn’t Know Anyone ‘More Beloved Than Danny Masterson’ in Letter to Judge

[quote]Baldwin, whose wife Chynna Phillips is sister to Masterson's wife Bijou Phillips, was one of several celebrities to write a letter in his support to the judge ahead of Thursday's sentencing

[quote]Billy Baldwin was one of several friends of Danny Masterson to write a letter in his support ahead of Thursday's sentencing for two rape convictions.

[quote]The seasoned actor, whose wife Chynna Phillips is sister to Masterson's wife Bijou Phillips, explained he'd known his sister-in-law since she was 10 and considers himself a "father figure" to her, per a letter to Judge Charlaine Olmedo that was obtained by The Messenger. (Former co-stars including Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis as well as first responders also wrote letters on Masterson's behalf.)

[quote]"I know that Danny has been convicted of a very serious crime and is facing a lengthy prison sentence," added Baldwin, in part. "The purpose of this letter is to inform you about the Danny Masterson that I know. Danny the man, the friend, colleague, family member, husband, and father. Things that were not discussed in court but I think are vitally important for you to know."

[quote]In his 35 years as an actor, Billy wrote that he "can say unequivocally that I have never known anyone that is more beloved than Danny Masterson."

[quote]"Never in my entire life have I had more people refer to someone as 'family,' 'my brother' and 'best friend' than Danny," he added. "Many of them have told me that he was there for them in their 'greatest hour of need' and 'the darkest hour of their life.'"

[quote]He praised Masterson for "the enormous role" he played in helping his single mother raise his younger (now-adult) siblings, which he "continues to serve in that capacity to this day."

[quote]Baldwin said Masterson was also there for him when his son Vance was diagnosed with cancer at 16, and for Bijou when she need a life-saving kidney transplant.

[quote]Since he has been incarcerated, I have heard him on the phone with his daughter helping her with her math homework while she tries to navigate through this devastating life-changing event at only nine years old," he wrote.

[quote]Baldwin concluded, "I have truly never met a person that was a more caring, dedicated, trustworthy, and loyal family member and friend. I pray to God that you will consider the entirety of who Danny is when considering his sentence."

Yep, R350. I think it was an E: True Hollywood Story about T7S...in which someone said Topher was aloof & kind of removed from the rest of the (younger) cast. All because he didn't hang out with them "off the clock", going to clubs & parties -- which made him *sound* like he was a jerk/ass/difficult (at the time).

Which he wasn't. He just did his "work" and went home.

All this bullshit about being Danny anti-drugs/the cast not being into drugs.....

Whether or not they partook of (hard) drugs ...they liked to drink plenty! On Friday nights, after the audience-tapings, the booze flowed freely on the Radford lot. They had poker parties in their dressing rooms, and then spilled out (in their cars) onto the streets of Studio City at 2-3 am. Meanwhile, Topher was outta there within a half-hour of the final "cut!"

R357 Well maybe my statement was a little hyperbolic… Look, it’s obvious that all murder is wrong, just like all rape is wrong. But there are degrees of severity in both crimes. Not all murders are violent. Certainly not all of them are premeditated. And some deaths come about as a result of someone flying into a rage and hitting someone and that person dies. More tragic than ghastly. And yes I’m aware that these cases could count more as manslaughter. But still.

When I read the victims statements I truly felt sick to my stomach. I thought only someone seething with hatred of women and a darkly violent soul could do this to another human being. Someone who gets off on the destruction of another person. The drugging. The yelling. The belittling. The choking. The punching. The dragging. The violent sodomizing.The forced confinement. The covering up. The intimidation. Vile and dark stuff.

Many of us are reacting emotionally to this case. 30 years is a stiff sentence. But think of all the rape cases, famous or otherwise, where the perp gets 1 year, or 2 years, or time off for good behaviour. Many of us feel that rape convictions should come with much harsher sentences than the precedents have dictated. I just can’t cry in my beer over Danny Masterson.

R365 - but there is no evidence, physical or otherwise, for their statements.

I read their statements - and they were, frankly, a little unbelievable. One victim is out clubbing all night completely sober comes back with SEVERAL people also there, has one drink FINALLY at his house, then wakes up to him having sex with her? She only had one drink the whole night - and only at his place?

The other woman was there with 20-30 other people with the whole vomiting thing. None of her friends went to check on her? Do you think it's something he would do would 20-30 other people in the house?

The 3rd woman was a former girlfriend and said he raped her when she came home from Paris and was tired and he wanted to have sex because he hadn't seen her in so long and she was too tired.

None of these stories - the majority by Scientologists - sound extremely believable. Particularly because all the victims spoke with each other before pressing charges.

Did no one else in his circle hear or see any bad behavior?

Where is all of this other stuff you talk about - the choking, punching, dragging, etc? Was that his former struggling actress girlfriend who waited YEARS to talk about it?

And yes - the length of time DOES matter in coming forward when supposedly it's so serious.

To send someone away for 30 years PURELY ON TESTIMONY is insane.

R365 has got her engorged clit in a twist. She’s a persecution junkie.

I read he’s under a mental health watch.

R322 = Susan Dey

R366: I can smell your CLAM stench through my screen.

R363 What people like Billy Baldwin don't understand is you can know someone for thirty years and only know the face they're showing you, you don't know what they're showing to someone else when you're not around. In cases like this I think of Paula Dietz the unsuspecting wife of "BTK" killer Dennis Rader. She was married to a man for 34 years and had no idea he was one of the most prolific serial killers in American history.

Billy Baldwin,

[quote]The seasoned actor

R172 Ashton and Mila are sheltered Hollywood dimwits.

R363 what people like R371 don’t understand is that Billy’s letter was full of bullshit, and that Billy líkely didn’t even write it. It was set up for his signature and his wife insisted he sign it. It’s no reflection of what he might actually think or feel. It’s performative.

[QUOTE] Why didn’t he flee to Europe?

Cause they don't want him either.

I haven’t yet read the whole thread yet, but am I the only one who’s never heard of donkey punch until reading it on here? I just imagined that after 40+ years of sexual encounters I’d heard of everything, I wonder how many other weird and awful things have passed me by.

Good thing Tanya Roberts passed on.

I'd hate to think her having written a support letter only to suffer cancelation and backlash.

If you re-watch old interviews with Masterson, he definitely has a very dark, sinister energy.

When That Seventies Show was first popular, I vaguely remember thinking there was something very “off” about him. I’d normally be crazy for a cute, funny, sardonic character / actor but he was very off-putting.

Wasn’t there an arc in which he dated Jackie? I remember thinking he came off like an abuser when paired with Jackie.

Jackie Kennedy? Phew, she dodged a bullet.

[quote]Am I the only one who’s never heard of donkey punch until reading it on here? I

You are NOT the only one. I had to look it up, and I was horrified but what I found.

I had heard about it, but thought it was just a sick joke.

I mean, does anyone really perform a dirty sanchez?

[QUOTE] You are NOT the only one. I had to look it up, and I was horrified but what I found.

Mary! What a straight arrow you must be.

Shut the fuck up R374 my point still stands whether he wrote the letter or not. I was commenting on society on general not your need for tit for tat you cunt

He's a douchenozzle and it's too bad he didn't get a longer sentence.

I remember a few years ago, seeing some pictures of him drinking with Jon Hamm at a bar across the street from the Scientology building. It really creeped me out for some reason.

R371 is still trippin’ off some pill he pooped last night….making no sense. Go to sleep.

Popped. Pooped. Either works for that one.

R386 G9 fuck yourself you self righteous cunt. Trip on that

Girls, girls

Bless your heart. The faux outrage is so…tiresome. Get some rest.

G9! You sank my battleship!

The pretentious moralizing cunt R386 R391 is such a bore who can't read a room. Go to reddit

Thanks for the tip, Danny Boy.

Um..clearly the room does not agree with your underlying assertion that Danny kept his true self from friends and family. It was there all along.

Read the thread—in full. Not just the parts you think might make you feel superior.

It wouldn't be the first time the room was wrong, R394. So you're saying that Ashton and Mila knew Masterson was a violent rapist but they were incredibly stupid enough to stick up for him publicly anyways. They couldn't have just kept quiet. Just because someone has an odd, off-putting personality and doesn't come off well in interviews and makes jokes in poor taste that fall flat, doesn't make them a major criminal. They heard the allegations but did not want to believe them because they could not imagine him doing something like that.

You'd make one hell of an investigator, R394, jumping to conclusions.

It seems like a majority of us had to look up donkey punch. It's kind of sweet that there still a little bit of naiveté in a room full of old whores.

[QUOTE]I remember a few years ago, seeing some pictures of him drinking with Jon Hamm at a bar across the street from the Scientology building.

Isn't amazing that Scientology is perfectly OK with alcohol but antidepressants and other psychiatric meds (or even any mental health treatment) is forbidden? I'm fascinated by r175's post. I've only seen the report of being in a medical unit for alcohol detox on the Medium website. Longtime, maintenance alcoholics can appear to be sober when they're really not. It helps explain his sinister edge if he was always under the influence.

David Miscavige is also reportedly an alcoholic. One of the people who left the cult (can't recall the name) said that every evening he'd break out the scotch. On some occasions, he'd gather some of his lieutenants and they'd read Tom Cruise's auditing files. I kid you not. Can you imagine being a fly in the wall?

R396 - but here's the thing - I remember when the term 'donkey punch' was going around in the early 2000's. No one had heard of it because...it was totally made up. A scandalous act that supposedly people are doing - but they weren't.

Urban myth that people started talking about because it was so out there. Some people still believe live gerbils went up Richard Gere's asshole too.

The fact that he used it briefly as a 'funny' DJ name means absolutely nothing.

R132 Yea, it’s scary when people become that dependent. I get the appeal, in a way, of wanting to be taken care of by someone with money and connections. The older I get though, the more I realize it’s important to have your own ‘F*ck You” money, so you can walk away if needed.

R398 - well, that's HER side of the story - that she waited 15 years to tell.

Door was open the entire time. No kids, no divorce needed.

But she stayed because....MONEY and because he was famous and she wanted some of that for herself.

No other reason to stay in a supposedly abusive relationship than that. But somehow we're supposed to believe every unsubstantiated word this woman waited almost 20 years to tell us.

[QUOTE]this woman waited almost 20 years to tell us.

Inform yourself about the history of these cases before making a false claim.

R400 - his ex-girlfriend added on to the case in 2017 - 15 years after their relationship ended. Ok, not 20 years, but let's round up.

We're talking about his ex here - not the other ones.

[quote] I mean, does anyone really perform a dirty sanchez?

Or a Cleveland Steamer.

r401 - Tony Ortega's Underground Bunker is a good place to start.

Hot Carl! Hot Carl!

Were the letters supposed to be made public?

Maybe they thought nobody would know that they wrote it.

It showed a lack of character on their part. What’s that quote about doing things when you know nobody is watching that define you?

If it's in the case file, isn't it a matter of public record?

R406, yes, there’s no reason the letters wouldn’t be a part of the court record.

I don’t believe any women, I’ll listen but not automatically believe.

In my jurisdiction, some of those support letters would be sealed (unavailable to the public). There's a pre-sentencing report that is written / compiled by a court employee - that report is sealed. If a defendant submits letters to the court employee who does the report, then the letters are sealed, along with the report.

The report (and any enclosed letters) are available to the judge, the prosecutor, and the defendant (but not the public).

I'm guessing Kunis / Ashton sent their letter directly to the judge, who then made it available to the public.

No R395 again you get it wrong. They, Just like Billy, were asked to sign a letter for an old friend, without any introspection or independent thought or analysis. That is all—thank you, good bye. Stop now, PLEASE.

What Kutcher & Kunis fail to understand is that some seemingly good people can do horrible things in secret. That does not mean the good things they've done should clear the score when they do bad things.

I wonder if they would have written the same letters of support if they had personally witnessed Masterson raping women? I seriously doubt it. There is no scenario where someone's good deeds, no matter how magnanimous, can conceivably work in their favor when they've been convicted of such heinous crimes.

Christina Ricci weighs in:

[quote] So sometimes people we loved and admired do horrible things. They might not do these things to us and we only know who they were to us but that doesn’t mean they didn’t do the horrible things and to discredit the abused is a crime

[quote] People we know as ‘awesome guys’ can be predators and abusers. It’s tough to accept but we have to. If we say we support victims – women, children, men, boys – then we must be able to take this stance.

I really like Christina Ricci

R393 Drink some bleach. Low in sodium.

Interviews w/DM, Ashton, and Mila. You be the judge.

R394 You are an exhausting cunt riding high on your high horse, finger waving at a bunch of gay men and the over the top criticism of anyone who won't join in on your castration is insanity and preaching to the wrong choir entirely. This is datalounge. The gay man's lounge. We don't want to fuck Danny the violent rapist so you are in fact reading the wrong room you stupid bitch.

Call 91/ —we have a an active 5152 on the Lounge…backup needed.

Call 911 —we have an active 5152 on the Lounge…backup needed.

You mean ‘5150’, you dumb cunt?

I would cut Mila Kunis some slack. I don't think she supports Danny Masterson so much as she is just standing with her husband. And as for Ashton Kutcher, I heard that he has his own skeletons in his closet. Not to the extent of rape, but some shady stuff. So, this sounds like it could be blackmail.

^for R371 and all of his related personalities: each of you type like someone who shits in the corner when men are in the room; you're not fooling anybody. You are way too angry at someone you don't know or can't even see. Take a dose of Miralax and unclench.

[quote]I understand that’s not how courts think, and I think the system is wrong for not considering family members.

R284 So you are smarter than 200 years of a judicial system with thousand of convictions based on reasonable guidelines developed over the decades? By you standard, Charles Manson's family should have been considered as well since he did not actually murder any of the victims himself and it would be unfair to put his parents and siblings through such trauma just because a few people who fallowed his teaching brutally murdered a few people on his behalf.

I like Christina Ricci, and I think what she said was very reasonable. I don't think that she was "slamming" Ashton and Mila in any way, shape or form. Just a trashy, tabloid website trying to stir up drama with a disingenuous headline.

R421 Stop stealing my shit you unoriginal cunt

Cukoo

Cukoo, cuckoo, coco puffs …one and all

I had to look up Donkey Punch, too. Yowza.

R425 Cunt . R426 Cunting for attention.

[quote] join in on your castration

Pics please.

Oh well, it was a nice discussion, while it lasted.

So many repeats of “cunt.” Are you capable of not using that word? Did you mother deny you breast milk? What a misogynist you are.

R431 I have not used that in this particular thread, but if you don't like that word, fuck off somewhere else, cunt.

And who was talking to you? It was directed at the personality, so to speak , that used the word a dozen times over today on this thread. Is that your alter ego? Or your doppelgänger?

R433 You write like you need a good cunt punt

Argle-bargle-bla.

Ho hum🫢

R434 I completely agree.

Will Danny Masterson have to shower alongside the other inmates or will he have a private stall?

[quote]They, Just like Billy, were asked to sign a letter for an old friend, without any introspection or independent thought or analysis.

So that's how Mila and Ashton would have figured out Masterson was a violent rapist 😆. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I don't know exactly what went down. If they ever asked Masterson about the accusations, maybe he was a really convincing liar.

The figure it out when he was charged. Then when he was tried. And then when he was convicted.

Lots of people can believe a jury got it wrong. In this case, 20 years after the fact, with no physical evidence, good friends or old work colleagues are entitled to entertain their own reasonable doubt. The two of them didn’t sit through any of the trial, did they?

I assume the letters were written before the trial.

No, the letters would be written after the trial.

R441 They weren't

What evidence was presented at the trial? It doesn't seem like any.

Danny 🙋‍♂️🙋‍♀️Ashton🙋‍♀️🙋‍♂️Mila 🙋‍♂️🙋‍♀️ You'll be sorely missed . . .like hemorrhoids.

R444 - that's the question. No physical evidence, toxicology evidence (drugging), etc.

From all we know, it was just testimony. And in a lot of jurisdictions, that's all that is needed.

For those not in the courtroom, it seems like it's one person's account versus the other - which seems like a very dangerous and low bar to convict.

The stories provided by the victims just seem off - particularly the ex-girlfriend. 30 years for she said/he said.

The jury deadlocked over the charge involving the ex-GF.

If a child victim were to testify that he / she was raped by Grandpa 3 years ago, the testimony would be the main evidence, as well.

Bijou Phillips is a psychopath her own damn self and also deserves 30 years for… I don’t know. Something.

[QUOTE]What evidence was presented at the trial? It doesn't seem like any.

I keep advising people to head over to Tony Ortega's Underground Bunker for a full history of all the women and their cases, from the inception and through both trials. I realize, though, that extensive years-long research empirical evidence compounded by multiple independent observations is too much for some to tolerate, as MAGAts have amply demonstrated. *re Cult of Scientology, look up recent Florida Attorney General, Pam Bondi and her ties to the cult's Clearwater, FL HQ. She took $$$ from a cult that enslaves.

Clams and pitiful Sea Org workers such as these infesting DL with their systemic Scientology cult misinformation and misogyny are not interested in anything but Miscavige's whip. He cracks, they give up more money. In return, if not sufficiently loyal, there will be all hell to pay of posting quotas are not met

If the systemic misogynist, clams, and their apologists do not believe Tony Ortega's carefully documented history of cult malfeasance and their continued, decades-long interruption with LAPD and LA County Sheriff 's office, Mike Rinder's website should offer more challenges to you. If you just care to inform yourselves. Leah Remini's, too.

Wonder if the blowback is making Kutcher and Kunis feel brave or deeply regretful. (It seems that Billy Baldwin and the others who wrote letters are remaining unscathed.)

“Dear Ashton, I know the secrets your ‘role model’ keeps for you. Ones that would end you. Did you forget I was there? You were on speaker phone that night you called Danny on February 21, 2001. I hear everything. I heard the plan. In my opinion, you’re just as sick as your ‘mentor.'”

“Dear Mila, I pray you begin to process what you experienced as a child on that set. Your old interviews are very telling. ( I encourage everyone to wash them and decide for yourself what you hear and see. Do so before they get scrubbed from the internet.) I also know what happened in Toronto and after. Question, if that’s what you view as a normal relationship with a ‘big brother figure’ I feel very sad for you, and I hope you consider getting into therapy. You almost forget I was there The whole time those first five years of That ’70s Show. I remember everything.”

Peace has been restored.

R450 damn, what powerful verbiage. Chrissy is on it and I believe Ashton and Mila should be very worried. No wonder Ashton is supposedly dedicating himself to helping sex trafficking now, who knows, maybe he is guilty of a whole lot more. I believe shit is about to hit the fan!

Someone ALWAYS KNOWS more…

[quote]I encourage everyone to wash them

Pics please.

Mama’s little baby loves clam bake too!

So many fucking Clams in this thread. Clam all you want to, he's convicted and is gonna die in prison.

Wasn't Wilmer fucking an underaged Lindsay Lowlife?

Suppose he had an AIDS death wish.

Valderrama supposedly dated an underage Demo Lovato. A pap photographed him at a hospital visiting during one of her breakdowns.

In fairness, Wilmer started dating her when she turned 18 though she was after him since she was 16 or 17. He waited until like the week after.

Wow, I saw the pictures of Katie Holmes at the tennis. She looks like shit, maybe 15 years older.

Scientology aged her like a prune.

were Ashton or Masterson talented? Not familiar with their work. Never heard of Masterson until the allegations surfaced in the press.

[quote]Valderrama supposedly dated an underage Demo Lovato.

He couldn't wait for the final, released version?

Can you imagine sitting there with all your cell mates and some channel is having a "That 70's Show" marathon?

Well I bet Ashton and Mila won't be visiting him any time soon now.

I’m not down with open letters to people making nasty innuendos and such. She got her day in court, Masterson was convicted and sentenced.

Ha! I didn't even notice the typo, r461.

[Quote] I’m not down with open letters to people making nasty innuendos and such.

but I bet you have no problem with posters making nasty innuendos and such on DL about people they never knew or met.

Yes of course. This is an anonymous board. The press doesn’t give a shit what some randos say on DL.

I read at another site that he received ten years per rape, and ten years for holding a gun to the woman's head, identified as "Jen". Three charges at ten years each. It seems totally to me...

[quote]Valderrama supposedly dated an underage Demo Lovato.

Was he the reason she later turned into a “they”?

Wilmer also dated Mandy Moore when she was 16-17 (he was four years her senior), and began dating Lindsey Lohan when she was 17 (he was six years her senior).

During an interview with Howard Stern some years later, he bragged that he took Mandy's virginity -- and said that the "sex with Mandy was good, but it wasn't like warm apple pie." Which Mandy said was lie, "utterly tacky", and called him out on it. Eventually, Wilmer asked the Howard Stern Show to remove that interview.

R470 monkey see, monkey do… makes sense Topher steered clear of that gang. I am not familiar with the 70’s show. I NEVER trusted Danny when I would see him on talk shows, etc. I told my husband he is hiding something behind those dark sunglasses.

I always never trust people who wear sunglasses when it is not weather necessary. People hide in the dark and people hide their eyes in dark glasses. Eyes speak volumes about an individual. I know I sound insane, but I feel so strongly about my convictions.

R471 not insane at all

Wilmer was a pig, and I think he’s a scary dude.

What dick magic did Wilmer have? If I was a young starlet at the time, I would have virtually anyone but him take my virginity. Always seemed sleazy.

R468 - 10 years each for an unproven rape and 10 years for an unproven gun to her head.

And what the Scientology organization did TO ITS OWN MEMBERS - remember, these girls were Scientologists too, has no bearing on this. Tony Ortega's accounts are more about Scientology than about the truth of the claims.

I should of kept my mouth shut!

More problems for A&M

Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis got themselves fined by SEC, days after their controversial letter to rapist Danny Masterson. The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has launched charges against their NFT-based web series, “Stoner Cats,” alleging the sale of unregistered securities.

Danny Masterson’s Accuser Chrissie Carnell Bixler Claims This 'That '70s Show' Star Is ‘Just as Sick’ as Masterson

R478 Wow. It’s all so deeply ugly and gross.

the brunette to his left acts like a groupie

Prison is the best place for Masterson to put his particular bedroom skillset to work. Either punching or receiving.

he'll be held down and a dick will be shoved in his mouth while his legs are spread apart and he's fucked without lube; I only hope that one of his attackers has the presence of mind to say, 'now you know how it feels'

but ...he won't. they never learn.

R482 I love you.

Whoa, r482, do you mean the Scientology cult doesn't have inroads into state penitentiaries like they did the IRS during Operation Snow White?

A HUGE downgrade indeed if the Co$ can't protect Masterson from forced anal sodomy inside a State prison.

The jury hung or deadlocked on one of the charges. I think it was the charge involving Bixler as the complaining witness. Now, she's saying cryptic stuff about Kutcher & Masterson. I think she should just spill the beans, be specific. Or just file a case in civil court. However, I think she's past her statute of limitations in civil court.

Doesn't Bixler still have a civil suit pending against Scientology and Masterson?

r176 Do you think people only rape people because they can’t get dates?

Yes, R486. There is a pending civil suit (brought by Bixler & the other Jane Does) vs. Co$ & Danny Masterson. Not about the assaults, but specifically, the campaign of harassment & intimidation against them after reporting said assaults to LAPD.

[quote]Whoa, [R482], do you mean the Scientology cult doesn't have inroads into state penitentiaries like they did the IRS during Operation Snow White?

They don't care about him, not important enough.

Except for the bad publicity he's brought onto the Scientology apparatus of blocking civil courts and law enforcement, which were bought and paid for.

And the civil lawsuits and litigation that are going to hamper Co$ for years to come. They practically engaged in Obstruction of Justice as a cult practice for decades to protect not just Masterson, but any criminal in its fold. Bixler and the other victims lawsuits, especially topped off by Leah Remini's new suit is going to provide a thorn in the side of a crazy, pernicious threat to society.

One of the victims (or was it both of them?) was a Scientologist, they're going to have to pick a side.

[quote]One of the victims (or was it both of them?) was a Scientologist, they're going to have to pick a si

I think it's already clear whose side they've chosen.

R491: All three of them were $cientologists. Jane Doe #1 (Jen B.) was born into it & her mother has cut off all contact with her. Jane Doe #2 had been a member for about seven years. Chrissie Bixler (Jane Doe #3) was brought into it by Masterson.

I'd love to see the Co$ lose its tax-exempt status. How the fuck are they still tax-exempt?

It's called Operation Snow White, r494. If you have the stomach and time, it will be a rabbit hole.

[quote]I'd love to see the Co$ lose its tax-exempt status. How the fuck are they still tax-exempt?

I personally feel NO religious organizations should be tax exempt, and I would be very happy if that status were revoked for all of them, most definitely including Scientology.

Does anyone remember that blog some years back that claimed a group of people infiltrated Celebrity Centre in LA and were giving info to the FBI? The blog disappeared sometime after they claimed that Elisabeth Moss is bipolar.

[Quote]I mean, does anyone really perform a dirty sanchez?

Si, señor.

Vaguely, yes, r497. I can't remember specific claims, but the did throw bombs about crunchy, uncooked rice and beans that kept flowering with baby moths that Celebrity Centre Sea Org workers actually tackled each other to scoop food with bare hands.

Sea Org workers also scavenge restaurant trash bins along their Los Angeles base, feasting on such scraps after their contract-signed indentured servitude that requires 70-80 hour work weeks from under 18 year old children whose $70/wk wages are withheld because they were not sufficiently performance in service of the "Billion year contract" signed as children, not yet legal of age.

But very much so legal to get exploited?

Please tell us more about your undoubtedly small reserves concerning your knowledge.

Get back to us soon.

I have no doubt this Danny guy is a filthy rapist. Not only is he ugly and untalented, he gives off majorly bad energy. My question is, who did he piss off within the CoS for them not to have helped him. If they thought he was such an upstanding guy, surely they'd have pulled all the strings to get him off. Or, is this a case of misdirection? The CoS have everyone focused on Danny, while they are busy doing something else.

R500 I believe the COS did try to intervene with Danny’s case. Although, his case appeared to be bigger than them and probably thought fuck it. He did the deeds, why spend a bunch of money helping a very guilty man. I just think his case was too intense. For him to get 30 years you know there has to be a lot more to this case, etc.

Thanks, R501. I know virtually nada about this case. I agree, there must be a shitload more that we don't know about.

[QUOTE]My question is, who did he piss off within the CoS for them not to have helped him.

Jesus Christ on a Cracker, son. You're new here thinking the rest of us haven't spent at least a decade wondering ourselves, yet HERE YOU ARE TO SAVE THE DAY!!!

That. Go Away!!!

Who the fuck pissed in your porridge, R503?

The Co$ did help him via their policy of not going to the police to report rapes. Supposedly, rapes are handled in-house, i.e., they’re swept under the carpet.

R502, the Church of Scientology seems to have followed the Catholic Church's playbook by not reporting the rapes, treating the victims (who were church members) as the guilty parties, and probably helping to threaten and bully victims. But, as the Catholic Church's experience shows, there's only so much any one organization can to do to help it's members when they are accused of serious crimes.

Eh, the Catholic Church had a very long run of no consequences for unspeakable crimes. They probably put that in the “win” column.

The fact that the Church still exists at at all is a testament to human beings’ capacity for drooling stupidity.

[quote]Eh, the Catholic Church had a very long run of no consequences for unspeakable crimes. They probably put that in the “win” column. The fact that the Church still exists at at all is a testament to human beings’ capacity for drooling stupidity.

Very sad, but very true.

[quote] Although, his case appeared to be bigger than them and probably thought fuck it.

Co$ has always had a public image problem. Defend an accused rapist in 2023? After Anonymous “Expect us” and the Me too movement? No fucking way.

Bijou files for divoce

That's gotta hurt.

They’re probably doing this to shelter assets from the coming civil lawsuits.

Pretty much. R512. I'm surprised she hasn't done it sooner to protect her half of the marital assets from his expensive team of lawyers. She's lost a lot more than face in this sordid tale.

Yeah, Bijou has been bad news for a long time. Karma, I guess.

Bijou has health issues and is a transplant patient. I don't think she will live a long life.

Good that axe wound needs to go!

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R512: I suspect it's also to prevent her from being bled dry by the extortion he will surely face in prison as a rich, famous sex-offender.

Bijou is a cunt with a capital K.

Where is Tamerlane?

Oy.

[quote]I suspect it's also to prevent her from being bled dry by the extortion he will surely face in prison as a rich, famous sex-offender.

I hope this isn't an ignorant question, but how could Masterson be extorted while in prison? Are you sure you're using the word "extortion" correctly? If people sue him while he's in prison, that's not "extortion."

R521: Extorted by other prisoners for protection -- although protection isn't even really the right word. For the privilege of not getting his ass beat on a daily basis, or killed. (they refer to it as "rent"). I saw an interesting interview with a former prisoner who explains how that all works, and the type of people Danny will be incarcerated with even in a "Special Needs Yard" (or "protective custody"). Obviously, there's no money transferred on the inside -- it takes place on the outside, between family members (called "street to street").

It's a very long interview, but I think the main gist of what I'm referring to is covered in the first 10-12 minutes.

Chynna (she, Bijou, & Mackenzie have same father, 3 different mothers) told a really sad story and even though she talks about Jesus way too much, I feel bad for her.

She went with brother Tamerlane (Bijou's full brother, I think) to visit Dad (Papa John Phillips who had sex w/his own daughter, Mackenzie). Michelle (mom) told Chynna be careful, blah blah blah. John ends up basically kidnapping Tamerlane and taking him to a foreign country.

Even though Michelle's not Tamerlane's mother, she had custody of him.

Anyway, that's a sad story and what a heavy burden for a child (Chynna) to bear: to be tasked with not letting John kidnap your brother.

Leah Remini, Claire Headley, and Mike Rinder talk about Scientology and LAPD's connections/corruption.

[quote] Bijou Phillips files for divorce from Danny Masterson after rape sentencing

Wow, that was fast, he hasn't even had an appeal yet.

She's getting all the assets out of his name before the law suits.

She can get half, but if he “gives” her more than that in a divorce settlement, Danny’s creditors can challenge it as a fraudulent conveyance.

[quote]Danny Masterson gets thirty years

Good start.

Now do Miss Cavige and the rest of the bad clams.

R292 take your strawman and shove it ALL THE WAY up your ass. I don't queation that he's a rapist who deserves to be punished. But I think 30 years is too much.

Had fleeing to Europe been a possibility, how many of these countries --without extradition treaties with the U.S.-- seem attractive and receptive destinations?

Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Benin, Bhutan, Botswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Cuba, Cyprus, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Georgia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Iran, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Moldova, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, North Korea, Oman, Palestine, People’s Republic of China, Qatar, Republic of Macedonia, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Martin, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Siachen Glacier, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, São Tomé and Príncipe, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Togo, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City, Vietnam, Western Sahara, and Yemen.

Scientology probably gets whatever money he has left if he's killed in prison.

R529, this was not discretionary. This was the mandatory sentence under California law. Elected representatives voted for it.

I don't believe for one second that he *only* "raped 2 women 20 years ago."

[quote]I don't question that he's a rapist who deserves to be punished. But I think 30 years is too much.

Sadly for you, your opinion isn't the one that matters.

you mean sadly for Danny R534