'I'll never marry that pushy female': The brutal remark Frank Sinatra used to dump Lauren Bacall

I'm sure glad my Dad married my Mom Mia

Hey Frank, you fucking anti semite, Jadroll. That's what they say about all the Jews

Jadrool, I meant

She remained bitter about it until the day she died. She never got over him and his rejection of her.

And he dumped Juliet Prowse abruptly as well.

Weren’t they fucking while Bogie was still alive?

R6- Yes, that what I have always read.

Oh, Woody. Stop. He married me, and I'm a Jewess

And tell him Groucho sent you

Hard to picture Bacall marrying TWO wife-beating drunks.

She wanted hearts...

I would imagined him saying “broad” and not “female”

She could have used his dough

Was she a size queen?

^Yes, she had one of the largest cunts in Hollywood- not as large as Bette’s, but a close second.

Did Betty ever enjoy big black cock?

^ A few times a week, actually. She blew me so hard that my wad hit me in the eye and blinded me!

A Sinatra-Bacall marriage would have been very short-lived.

They were both self-involved hotheads and would have divorced within a few years at most.

No wonder Jason was a drunk. Can you image living in marriage where you knew he was second fiddle to the Tsar Frank and poor substitute to Bogie

Jason Robards referred to Betty as "the widow Bogart."

Hey Frank, you fucking anti-semitic punk. No one puts down my people. I'll BREAK BOTH YOUR FUCKIN' LEGS, you greaseball. Got my finger on the dial to the Massad

Hey Nikolas Cherkasov, I'm correcting your mangled English. I know it's your second language, not your first" Imagine, not image.:

R19, I'm referring to

"I always knew Frank would end up with a little boy!"

--Ava Gardner, when informed Frank had married Mia Farrow

What's interesting is thta once upon a time they were both two of the biggest liberals in Hollywood.

Sinatra was so incredibly shallow, though, that he converted to the Republican side originally because he was so annoyed JFK would not give him enough attention when he was president.

R2 Are Jews never pushy? Lauren Bacall was a fucking pushy bitch.

Wasn't Sammy Davis, Jr. a Jew?

R27 Yes.

'I'll never marry that pushy kike broad"

Fixed for OP

It’s incredible to me that I’m older than Bogart was when he died.

Bogart died quite young.

Bogart died at 57, rather young to die. He died of lung cancer because he smoked all his life, it was even his job to smoke on camera!

He lived to early to know that smoking caused lung cancer, and he died too early to do what Yul Brynner did, make public-service announcements about the dangers of smoking. When he was gone, Brynner left video that was widely broadcast, saying "Smoking killed me, so don't smoke. JUST DON'T SMOKE.".

What will you the fastest Gauouilles or Camels?

Little known fact: That commercial was directed by Sergio Leone with music by Morricone

R33 Correction: What will KILL you the fastest? Gauouilles or Camels?

Bogie, Tyrone Power, Errol Flynn, Clark Gable and Gary Cooper. They all were heavy smokers and they died within a four year period.

The lesson is not to be pushy if you want to snare a top man.

Straight men just used to die around age sixty, it's just how things were. A man would marry young, young enough that he could see his kids grown up before he kicked off, and he'd be sure to get good life insurance while young as well, because everyone expected the wife to outlive her husband by a few decades.

That's how things were done, when men were men and they smoked all the cigs they could puff, and downed all the red meat and whiskey they could hold.

Bacall dodged a bullet and admitted as much later on.

She gets a lot of flack, but I admire her politics.

R24, Ava denied she ever said this.

She should not have blabbed to the press.

I think Bacall all but admitted as much from that famous interview she did in the '70s where she was quoted as saying, 'I'm a bitch in the boardroom, a bore in the bedroom and a bear on the toilet!'

Was Juliet Prowse Jewish and pushy?

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Glad I never worked with her pushy, mean drunk husband

Frank was SO damn pushy, that he didn't allow anyone else to be pushy around him! The Chairman of the Board was the only one doing any damn pushing, and if anyone even THOUGHT about pushing back they were out of here and lucky if they ever worked again!

He's the one who should have died at 57, to protect his legacy. If he'd died before he got old, he'd be much more highly regarded today.

Frank never warbled through duets with the likes of Lady Caca so his legacy wasn't so tattered.

Didn’t Ava Gardner say that Frank was a crybaby and did a half-assed suicide attempt with his head in a gas stove?

[quote]Sinatra was so incredibly shallow, though, that he converted to the Republican side originally because he was so annoyed JFK would not give him enough attention when he was president.

I'm no Sinatra fan, but that's very much skating over the story. JFK was to go and stay with Frank while he was President. It was brokered by Peter Lawford. Sinatra spent a great deal of money beefing up the security of his house -- he may have even had rooms added, I can't remember for sure -- organising lavish catering and activities he thought JFK would enjoy. But something about the Mob became a thing in Washington that month and JFK withdrew at the last minute, I think without even apology. Sinatra felt (a) rejected and humiliated in front of his local community, and (b) that he was being tarred with the Mob brush in an ever-more high profile way, just because he'd tried to do something nice for a guy he really did admire. That's why he was so browned off.

JFK pumped a load of syphilis into Marilyn Monroe, who passed it to Frank.

Worse, R49, Kennedy came to Palm Springs as planned, but stayed with someone that Sinatra disliked instead of Sinatra!!!

Sinatra took his rage out on Peter Lawford, basically ruined the man's career, anything to avoid admitting that he'd created the situation himself. Yes, Sinatra had gone from nothing to the heights of society, but because of the methods he'd used to rise and the allies he'd made and kept, he couldn't rise any further. If Sinatra had realized that, instead of ruining Peter Lawford's life, he'd have been a far, far, better man.

Pick a note Betty. Any note.

The only one who ruined Peter Lawford's career was Peter Lawford. Well, Peter Lawford and time.

R32, Actually, Bogart died of esophageal cancer.

[quote] stayed with someone that Sinatra disliked instead of Sinatra!!!

Just from memory I believe that was Bing Crosby.

[quote] But something about the Mob became a thing in Washington that month and JFK withdrew at the last minute, I think without even apology. Sinatra felt (a) rejected and humiliated in front of his local community, and (b) that he was being tarred with the Mob brush in an ever-more high profile way, just because he'd tried to do something nice for a guy he really did admire. That's why he was so browned off.

Yes. Saint Jack used Sinatra during the campaign and dumped him afterwards because of the mob connections. While hypocritically continuing to make deals with the Chicago Family.

Frank Sinatra was never 👎 really good looking. He actually looked better at 50 than he did at 20. He was a total RUNT - small and rodenty looking 🐀.

R32 Bogart didn’t have lung cancer. He had cancer of the esophagus. No doubt from smoking. Bacall smoked all her life, Died at 89 of a stroke.

Supposedly Laurence Harvey made a pass at Frank Sinatra once in the early 1960’s. LH was very good looking back then - why would he have been interested in a runt like Sinatra?

Why do you people think Sinatra was a the teen heart throb of the 40s, got so many women, had stars like Ava Gardner, Lana Turner, Bacall and many others at his beck and call - because he was UNattractive?

Sinatra couldn't abide opinionated women, Ava Gardner being an exception. When Elaine Stritch went on an arranged date with him she told him he should stop his attacks on Liz (Lez) Smith who was a friend of hers. Without missing a beat Sinatra turns and yells to his security crew "get her out of here!" They did.

Why would Sinatra ever go on an "arranged date" with an old hag like Elaine Stritch? She was an old hag even when she was young.

I don’t remember the details but wasn’t the reason Sinatra gave Bacall the air was because he thought she had let the cat out of the bag about their engagement and he considered this (which she didn’t even do) a betrayal, or felt he couldn’t trust her?

Also I saw a Carson interview with her when he asked her about Sinatra, and she said something like it was really odd how people kept asking about something that happened 30 years before and didn’t last very long.

[quote] Why would Sinatra ever go on an "arranged date" with an old hag like Elaine Stritch?

Maybe it was well known she put out. Probably many of his dates were arranged just for publicity. The question is, why would he ever marry this?

I would hardly think that Sinatra was ever in need of finding dames who would put out for him, r63.

When he married Mia she was fresh off of Peyton Place with her long blonde hair and winsome look, an exhilarating change from the Las Vegas broads he'd been immersing himself in since the demise of his marriage to Ava. I imagine he felt Mia would be like a shot of youth serum and thought she'd be quite malleable. Little did he know....

I wish we'd seen Frankie's ten pounds of cock.

R49 Meh.

Whatever R64. The incident happened in a club with lots of people so I don't know why she would make it up, plus it was somewhat humiliating for her.

She was a nasty cunt and deserved every bit of humiliation Sinatra dealt her. She wanted Sinatra for what that could get her - notoriety, power, money, etc. She was going to wield that until she found someone bigger to dump Frank for.

There wasn't a humble bone in this vain gold digger of a bitch to spare her life, Frank saw it and threw her out. And really, do we need prompts like this in any article?

"Here we see the misogyny of a man blaming a woman for his misconduct."

r68, are you referring to Mia Farrow, Lauren Bacall, Jackie Onassis or Elaine Stritch?

Jackie was always ready to put out.

Frank was charismatic, gifted creatively, wildly successful and rich, powerful, macho, and horse hung. Why would anyone want to have sex with him?

"The question is, why would he ever marry this?"

Farrow was young pussy, and he was at that age when straight men will make complete fools of themselves over young pussy.

And, like someone said above, middle-aged men always, ALWAYS assume that the young pussy is attached to a malleable young person, someone they can train and mold, change into their ideal partner. It never works, because even someone as young as Princess Diana was when she married still has her own personality, but middle-aged men don't learn, they still think of young women as unformed clay.

And the young women are usually looking for a middle-aged daddy who will give them advice and take care of them and instruct them in many things they don’t know about or understand yet.

Doesn't anybody notice that Frank and Mia really really look alike? She looks more like his daughter than his daughters do. That's why it's still up in the air for me re Frank Sinatra being Ronan Farrow's dad. Ronan looks like Frank but Ronan's mother also looks like Frank.

If you want a laugh read the book written by Frank Sinatra's valet. I'm sure it's embellished but it's very rat pack. It seems a thing back then was to try to f*ck your friends (and staff's) women. You couldn't do it to Frank but he could do it to you and he did.

I saw Here From Eternity once and Sinatra's performance was miserable. He was so extra - working so hard to be charming, adorable and endearing every single second. He has some natural charm but that performance didn't ring true.

Whenever Bacall comes up in someone else's bio she comes off entitled and aggressive. Shelly Winters claimed Bacall called her up asking where Shelly's husband was because he was late for or missed their date. Shelly was WTF. Christopher Plummer's bio talks about her calling all Jason Robard's friends wanting to know where he is.

She was a bad actress but had a massive ego.

I don't blame him. She was an overrated cunt.

WTF, alternate facts? Mia Farrow looked nothing like Frank Sinatra except for the color of their eyes, and I don't think it was even the same blue.

Same eyes, same bone structure, same jaw line. Look at young Frank, not middle aged Frank.

R74 I guess you saw a different performance in From Here To Eternity than I did. The performance had a lot of different sides and moods to it. And how did you miss that Maggio is a stubborn little guy who’s always provoking people? Not usually charming.

So, I admit I've read some of the DM's bits from the book.

The story about Bacall and Bogart being out at a restaurant, sitting with Sinatra and Bacall is sitting on FS's lap with her husband right there.

WTF???

And the follow up bits about how later, when FS would escort her out while Bogart was sick, she would sit on FS's lap to warn off other females who might be interested in FS.

For him to describe Bacall as a "pushy female" is a mild description if these lap sitting tales are true. And since it (supposedly) was Sinatra's lap, he would know.

I thought Bacall was married to Joe DiMaggio....oh....right....wrong broad

How did Bogie feel about it? Was he a cheater, too?

Bogie was having an extended affair with another actress the wholey time he was married to Bacall.

R81- Both of them betrayed that man as he lay dying. I hated her after reading that. I have always hated Sinatra because he was a bully with little man syndrome who hung out with stone cold killers in the Mafa to try and feel like a tough little manly man, but from what I have read about him he didn't have the balls to pick on anyone but women.

No there was a woman who was his hairdresser (took care of his toupee) Verita Thompson, who claimed they had a one-nighter the night Bacall talks about in her autobiography when there was a flood and Bogie couldn’t get home. Thompson wrote a whole book called Bogie and Me essentially about this one time they consummated their relationship, and she cold have made it up. My mom gave me the book for Christmas one year thinking it was by Bacall.

*could

R84- Meant to add- give me Dean Martin every time. Better looking, a real man who told the Mafia to FO, a sense of humor, charming, and imo a better singer.

So how's your Bird, Missus EL Bacall.....dandy, Missus EL Ba-call you say.......hey, hey...... well have you heard, Missus EL Bacall , Jilly's is fine as wine, and I should know, ho-ho-ho.....

Hate to spoil everyone's fun, but I'd always heard that Bacall and Sinatra got together with Bogie's blessing as Bogie knew he was dying and wanted two people he loved to be together after he was gone.

R88- Nah. I don't think so. How many husbands would be ok with their wife and best friend fucking in the next room of his house as he lay dying from cancer? No one is that damn saintly.

I’m not convinced she was screwing around with Sinatra while Bogie was alive.

High Point has rich flavah!

R91 = ever ready with a fresh new quip.

I don't believe it for a minute, R88.

If Bogie knew he was dying then he knew he was leaving two young children fatherless. And out of all the men in the world, who the hell would pick Sinatra to be the stepfather of their children?!?

"We had his blessing" is the kind of thing that people fucking behind the dying person's back would say.

R32, Bacall stopped smoking in circa 1990 or so.

R84, You’d better find that book and read it again. Bogie and Verita Thompson were lovers throughout his marriage to Bacall and even before.

It may have been a relationship to her, but to the famous guy she was just a willing hole.

In the new dual biography “Bogie and Bacall”, the author exhaustively covers both of their lives in over 600 pages.

Much like the Newman-Woodward marriage, the Bogart-Bacall marriage was far from the idyllic coupling portrayed to the public.

There was much fighting, both public and private, and they often led separate lives, with Bacall leaving her husband and children to party.

The author strongly suggests that Bacall and Sinatra were intimate prior to Bogart dying and that she was also intimate with Adlai Stevenson during his 1952 campaign for POTUS and even after that.

I’ve read the book and it is excellent. Author William Mann spoke to many who knew them both, who were willing to reveal things they would not have while Bacall was still alive.

[quote] she was also intimate with Adlai Stevenson during his 1952 campaign for POTUS and even after that.

What innocent young girl could have resisted a studmuffin like Adlai

R99, Adlai Stevenson was a major pussy hound, believe it or not. Divorced in 1949, women threw themselves at him in the 1950s.

Wasn't Bacall a teenager when she first worked with Bogart in 1944 and became a huge star? So she was only in her 20s in the 1950s and hot to trot. Not even 30 when Bogart died.

Bacall, back from the dead. I love this woman.

R83 The first time I felt any affection for Frank Sinatra was upon reading the following anecdote (the second was when I heard him sing Angel Eyes).

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"But I'm so admiring Frank's shirt," she protested with a smile. "Don't you think it's beautiful " "I don't give a damn about his shirt", snarled Harrison, seizing her arm. "Come home."

"It's just an old shirt, Rex," said Sinatra. "A bit off-white -sort of yellow. That's your favourite colour isn't it "

Rex Harrison knew instantly what he meant. Nine years earlier his lover Carole Landis had committed suicide mainly it was claimed through Rex Harrison's heartless behaviour. He had found her body but immediately left the scene fearing bad publicity. On the day of her funeral he was playing golf.

Sinatra had declared at the time that Rex Harrison was yellow and now he repeated it. Harrison lunged forward and slapped his face. Sinatra repeated: "It's still yellow" and Harrison struck him again. Kay Kendall screamed and ran away from the scene. A friend pulled Rex away and Sinatra calmly walked back into the house. As an onlooker later reported: "Frank's self-control was amazing. He could have torn the guy apart."

R98 Oh, William Mann...I could also strongly suggest Bacall and Sinatra were intimate prior to Bogart dying, doesn’t mean it’s true.

Bogart’s mistress, Verita Thompson, was no slouch.

She eventually married well and owned a very successful restaurant.

Stephen Bogart now admits that Verita was his father’s mistress(as well as his hairdresser) during his marriage to Bacall.

I don't think that their mutual infidelities meant that Bogart and Bacall did not genuinely care for each other, in their fucked-up ways. They had a bond, and it showed in their films. Bacall never said anything negative about Bogart after his death that I am aware of and ostensibly she could have said plenty - she was literally a kid when they met and he had the upper hand. Yet he never seemed to lord it over her.

My get-out-of-jail Sinatra story was that during a party for his kids, a girl accidentally broke an antique Chinese vase - one of a pair - and began crying in remorse. Sinatra said words to the effect of "Don't worry, sweetie - you just made the other one twice as valuable." He also evidently punched out Eddie Fisher when Fisher was making a scene in Sinatra's Palm Springs club. Anyone who punches out Eddie Fisher can't be all bad.

R59 Since he was ineligible for service, he became a hot young thing while all the slightly older MEN were signing up. There’s a reason the bobby soxers were a thing…he was the only guy around so to speak.

R107 I don't think that answers my question at all.

R59, He was talented, charming, dynamic, generous, fun loving and he had a huge cock.

I had a roommate that worked as an assistant at William Morris from 1995-2002. Whenever the following call would come through the switchboard, saying “Bacall on Line One for Biff (Biff (Liff, a great agent for over fifty years,) everyone would say “NOT IT!!” and throw their hands up…. Bacall was totally impossible. An utter nightmare.

Of the other clients, one who sent a chill down assistants’ spines (especially the young men) was a call from Kevin Spacey. A total creep.

He used to call my former roommate (still in a long term, monogamous relationship after 25 years) at WM for no reason and say to him, “Hey, Scotty, it’s ‘Space’… when are we finally gonna hook up?!?! I’m getting impatient to act out this preordained seduction and affair that we’re destined to have… you know it’s your FATE, right?”

My ex-roommate finally quit. Not because of Spacey, who eventually left, but because Bacall stayed, and was much, much worse. A total harridan.

Yet Angela, Julie Andrews, Chita, Jerry Herman, and so many others were ALWAYS sweet and kind. He loved every minute of dealing with them. He loved them all. But Betty and “Space” were impossible.

I wish people would give examples of Bacall being a nightmare and not just say she was a nightmare. (Other than the one in the cab.)

Rex Reed was interviewed by William Mann for the new biography “Bogie and Bacall”.

Their relationship definitely had its ups and downs, but near the end of her life they were friendly. She would take the elevator to his floor in her wheelchair and they would have dinner together often.

After John Lennon was killed, all Dakota residents were requested to pick up their mail at the doorman station, but Bacall balked and insisted that her mail be brought to her.

At that same time, she kept a limousine parked in the alley near her apartment, blocking it for all other tenants, because she said it was needed to transport her to rehearsals for Woman of the Year.

As he was about to leave for London, Rex Reed was speaking to the doorman at the front gate. The doorman asked if he’d be seeing Bacall who was filming there. Rex replied that he wasn’t sure, whereupon the doorman sniped, “Well, if you do, give her my worst”.

I’m caffeinated enough, thank you!

Off-topic, but I seem to remember hearing about an encounter between Frank and Desi Arnaz at a bar in Palm Springs.

Desi had already been firmly ensconced on a bar stool for many hours when Frank walked in. Desi greeted him by yelling out "Look at the dago wop who just walked in the front door." The words "fucking drunken spic" entered the conversation shortly thereafter. It all went downhill quite quickly.

R114, Lucie Arnaz told Howard Stern that Frank Sinatra once knocked her father out cold.

I assume most famous people have open relationships - gay or straight. Old Hollywood especially seems like a town and time where no one had a monogamous relationship, children or children. Both men and women had affairs and flings. Have no idea why this still surprises people about the old stars today, but then again, there’s people who still think Cary Grant and Greta Garbo were straight.

Agree that Bacall/Sinatra marriage would have been a train wreck on an epic scale but that’s why it should have happened! Like that one thread on here that hypothesized a Vivien Leigh/Orson Welles marriage! I also think Bogie seemed like a decent enough guy, usually run by his domineering wives - never heard about him being a “wife beater” - the fights with “sluggy” aka Mayo Methot (the woman he left for Bacall) were instigated by her. Both were massive drunks and that usually lends itself to physical altercations. Louise Brooks was a friend of his and once said his character in the film In a Lonely Place was the closest to who he was as a person.

Lauren was just a toxic person, wasn’t she? Disappointing to find that out about her…still, I’m crazy for her, Marilyn and Betty Grable in HOW TO MARRY A MILLIONAIRE. But I am glad I never had to deal with her on any professional basis.

For years I felt bad for her failed marriage to Jason Robards…but now I feel like it wasn’t all his fault.

Someone posted here once that she was seen at an upscale store with her daughter and her daughter was almost in tears because Lauren was chewing her out over something…was she known to be hard on her children?

R117, The new “Bogie and Bacall” biography makes it clear that there was a distance/estrangement between Bacall and her two Bogart children the last years of her life.

Not so with the son she had with Jason Robards, who she remained close to right up to the end and she talked about him constantly to others.

Was that because Sam was the goodlooking one, R118?

"Agree that Bacall/Sinatra marriage would have been a train wreck on an epic scale but that’s why it should have happened! Like that one thread on here that hypothesized a Vivien Leigh/Orson Welles marriage!"

And why I lamented that Amber Heard didn't succeed in dragging Elon Musk to the altar! It would have been SUCH a gossip-fest, even better than those idiots Harry and Meg!!!

Because yeah, Bacall and Sinatra totally deserved each other, and it's a damn shame they broke up so soon, instead of becoming co-chairmen of the Rat Pack board and having drunken fist fights in Vegas every weekend. We'd still be clucking over the pictures, sixty years later.

I've heard this before - Friar's Club Roast of Humphrey Bogart, 1955 - lots of profanity. Funny to heard old timers like Charles Coburn cursing. Bacall is heard too.

But I'm full of flay-VAH!

The amount of hatred from Bacall on DL is truly something to behold. I sometimes assume every single person here had her as a babysitter some point.

For me, she turned in some good performances in some top-notch movies, looked fabulous, sounded fabulous and never had an Instagram feed.

That's enough for me.

That Friars’ roast is quite vulgah, but with flavah! Pretty funny that the Mrs. was allowed to make a recording as the “first” speaker.

I worked in the Park Avenue Tower for a few years…the 80s high rise next door to the Friars’ Club on East 55th… they had a beautiful faux-Tudor club house.

R124 Yes and then at the end she's there in person.

Does Sam Robards still act? Haven't heard his name in years.

It must say something commendable about Bacall that none of her three children were ever involved in any scandals. And I believe the daughter Leslie went into nursing or physical therapy. Interesting that she had no interest in show biz.

Assuming the kids were her heirs, they must have made a ton of money with the sale of her Dakota apartment and estate.

Frank Sinatra = alcoholic, physically abusive to girlfriends and wives and female employees, verbally abusive to anyone he could get away with, friend of mobsters he knew were murderers

JFK = liar, election-stealer, plagiarist, druggie

Rex Harrison = alcoholic, nasty. verbally abusive to almost every woman he ever came across, drove two girlfriends to suicide

Humphrey Bogart = ridiculously alcoholic

Lauren Bacall = mean, imperious, minimally talented, alcoholic, caffeine could show on her face, addicted to FLAVA!

Mia Farrow = hysteric, terrible and abusive mother

I am amazed any of you are taking sides with any of these horrible people.

R126 . . .

“At the time of her death, Bacall had an estimated $26.6 million estate. The bulk of her estate was divided among her three children: Leslie Bogart, Stephen Humphrey Bogart, and Sam Robards. Additionally, Bacall left $250,000 each to her youngest grandsons, the sons of Sam Robards, for college.“

Bacall was cremated in 2014 and her ashes were placed with Bogart’s at Forest Lawn, but her children have chosen not to add her name with his.

In her autobiography Bacall says that when she was doing Broadway (Where's Charlie and/or Cactus Flower) she was ignoring her kids, who were living on Long Island (I think) with her mother. Her mother was basically raising the kids, and I don't think it was her choice to do so. To the point where she had to sit Bacall down and tell her she was neglecting the kids completely.

I haven't heard much (reliable) about Sinatra being physically abusive to women. Several mentioned he was gentle and considerate with them (including in bed).

That seems unduly mean.

All the guys saying the word FAG in that roast makes them sound so contemporary. Only straight men can give the necessary grit to make the word sound like the put down it is....

The amount of queens clutching pearls about a little affair or two between long dead movie stars are cracking me up. Or are they part of the contingent of straight women we have?

I also don’t get the Bacall hate. She is of a common type: entitled and bristly (at best) new money New Yawk Jewish women. Old school and dying out, but it’s a definite archetype. Her cuntitude honestly could have been Joan Crawford levels the way she’s spoken about on here.

I do agree about being fond of Dean Martin. Surprisingly good actor and gets some points for attempting to befriend the living corpse of Montgomery Clift even after Sinatra cast him out of their circles. Always thought he and Jerry Lewis (now there’s another uber cunt!) had something going on…

Too lazy or really i don't give a shit to read her bio, but how did Jason win the prize as Bogie's replacement? When they married in 1961, he was known more as a Broadway stage actor, than a movie star, and his attempts to become one, failed, though he was always from his first movie to his last, a brilliant A lister. Not a phony actor bone in his body.

R134, Jason won two Oscars, for “Julia” and “All the President’s Men”.

R134 I might be misreading this, but you seem to be wondering why Bacall would marry a man who was "a brilliant A lister" with "not a phony actor bone in his body."

R133, What makes you think that?

R133 are you being serious or just new here? The stories of her being cunt extraordinare to people she worked with, encountered and knew are legion. Her behavior and antics undoubtedly cost her that precious Oscar. She’s still a DL icon, but to ask why she’s hated makes no sense, given her track record.

{quote] She is of a common type: entitled and bristly (at best) new money New Yawk Jewish women.

She made money as a movie star, she didn't come from money.

[quote] 'I'll never marry that pushy female': The brutal remark Frank Sinatra used to dump Lauren Bacall

Maybe it's me but I don't think that remark is particularly brutal.

In his book “Mr. S: My Life with Frank Sinatra”, George Jacobs, who was Frank’s loyal valet for years, wrote that Sinatra complained to him that Bacall gave lousy head.

I loved this Frank Sinatra Anecdotes thread of a few years ago.

I found it because I wrote pretty much the same thing there as I did here, haha.

R121 Wasn't Charles Coburn known as one of the most right wing and racist stars in Hollywood? I'm surprised good liberals like Bogie and Bacall would have had the likes of him at the roast.

He was a southern Republican in the 30s. A paradox. Conservative yes, but racist?—source?

Coburn’s wiki page states that he was a member of the White Citizens Council. He was scum.

I should have said a reliable source—what’s that bars on?

[quote] The amount of hatred from Bacall on DL is truly something to behold.

Datalounge is built on jealousy, prejudice, and spite. Usually petty and pointless.

Wiki uses references r146.

Here’s a reference…google is your friend…

Well. It’s not as if a lot of white people from the South born in the 1800s were pro-integration.

See that wasn’t too hard…but what is foxella.com? You don’t know do you?

[quote] The amount of queens clutching pearls about a little affair or two between long dead movie stars [bold]are[/bold] cracking me up.

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

Oh, lame.

From George Jacobs' book, Sinatra's valet.

"I felt awful for Betty, who had enjoyed such a classic romance with Bogie. Perhaps only one of these in a lifetime was all anyone could expect. By the same token, Mr. S could only have one grand passion in his life, and that was Ava. Betty, who had gotten spoiled by Bogie, simply wanted more than Frank could give her. Mr. S desperately tried to copy Bogart in every way, but when it came to loving Betty, the mold had been broken. Not only did Mr. S now turn against Betty Bacall, he turned on her. He called her “the Jew bitch.” He complained to his buddies how spoiled she was, how cold, how badly she kissed, and, worst of all among his friends, that she couldn’t—or wouldn’t, give a blow job. “All she does is whistle,” Mr. S said, nastily referring to Bacall’s famous suggestive line in her first film, To Have and Have Not. Cocksucking, in this group, was considered the highest feminine art. To fail here was to be less than a woman."

[quote] He called her “the Jew bitch.” He complained to his buddies how spoiled she was, how cold, how badly she kissed, and, worst of all among his friends, that she couldn’t—or wouldn’t, give a blow job. “All she does is whistle,” Mr. S said, nastily referring to Bacall’s famous suggestive line in her first film, To Have and Have Not. Cocksucking, in this group, was considered the highest feminine art. To fail here was to be less than a woman."

That's why he knew I was the greatest of all First Ladies!

Fun fact: it used to be widely thought during the late 50s and early 60s that gay men particularly loved Frank Sinatra's music, which is why you hear one of his records playing in the gay bar scene in "Advise and Consent."

it was not thought that Sinatra himself was gay, but that gay men found him and his voice incredibly attractive.

Why was Sinatra such a woman-hating weasel? What was his major malfunction, anyway?

Hey don't be so harsh on my DAD. It's come out he was manic-depressive. I'm so glad he found the time in the 80's to fuck the shit out of my Mom's pussy. After all it produced me. But whoa.....if he ever found out he produced an Upper West Side, Dakota bred fairy, he would have sent Jilly and his greaseball friends to really, really "straighten" me out.

Crazy thread

When I was 5, my parents had tickets to see Sinatra at The Sabre Room, a mob owned nightclub in the Chicago suburbs. My mom got sick, so my dad took me as his date. It was a big deal—my mom got me decked out and my dad held the car door open for me like a gent and played up the daddy-daughter date night thing.

It was 1970, and swanky. Lots of big hair, fancy cocktails, sparkly things. I was absolutely dazzled walking into the club and having people make a fuss over me. It was like the scene in Goodfellows with the waters parting and my dad and I being led to a cocktail table near the stage.

Anyway, I was the only 5 year in the place, a fact that Sinatra recognized as as he stepped out. After his first couple songs, he came down into the audience and asked my dad permission to bring me on stage. He scooped me up, and I’ll never forget his smell. It was musky and comforting.

He introduced me to the crowd as his fiancée. Then he asked me some questions about myself. I felt completely safe and comfortable with him. I was a real daddy’s girl and he reminded me a lot of my dad—a tough Italian guy who loved his kids.

Then he sang Nancy With the Laughing Face to me. He carried me back to my dad, gave me a big hug and kiss, and then shook my dad’s hand and thanked him for bringing me. We later found out that he paid the tab, and the next day a dozen roses and bottle of champagne were delivered to my mom with a note from Sinatra saying he hoped she was feeling better. My parents were stunned and had no idea how he knew where we lived.

Obviously, I’ve been a huge fan ever since. He had a dark side, but I forgive him everything.

by Anonymous reply 22 March 27, 2019 10:28 AM

I’m R22: a brief epilogue to my story that might be of interest. My dad, who was full-blooded Italian, and his friends didn’t respect Sinatra because “he made a fool of himself over broads.” They would make fun of him over it. But they all loved his music. After that nightclub experience, my dad would shut down any derision of Sinatra, saying “he was nice to my kid. Who cares if he cried over Ava.”

That’s one thing that I haven’t seen in books/movies about Sinatra: always makes it seem like Italian guys all worshipped him. That wasn’t my experience. There were complicated feelings filled with envy, admiration, disdain. I always thought that would be an interesting exploration of men of that era struggling with strong feelings for each other through the frame of Sinatra.

by Anonymous reply 26 March 27, 2019 11:09 AM

He said “ I was never gonna marry that pushy broad”

Great story, r160, thank you!

R160, do you mean the Sabre Room in the southwest suburbs of Chicago, like Hickory Hills or Palos?

The anecdote from r160 is copied and pasted from the thread linked. Hopefully the woman who originally posted it is still around DL and hasn’t been chased off by the freeper trolls.

R158? Dakota bred? Neither Mia, Woody, or Frank ever lived in The Dakota.

R164 the story was about a young girl. The poster did not reference themself as a woman. There’s a presumption on your part as to who the poster actually is now.

Are you suggesting there is a chance that little girl’s father’s Italian dad was called Sonny, and that little girl grew up to be Chas Bono, r166?

Aye. There’s nowt so queer as folk.

The Sabre Room was located at 8900 W 95th St in Hickory Hills, IL.

Just got Jacobs’ memoir from Kindle…starts off with a bang.

A dear friend of mine used to be a dental ceramacist in NYC and he did several of Betty's gold crowns.

R 165......My grandma had a crib in the Dakota, and I used to play footsie with Rex Reed in his pad

R168 I grew up right by it, we would go there with my grandma for Mother's Day brunch every year.

R171 LIES

Maureen O'Sullivan lived in the Langham at 135 Central Park West and it became Mia's apartment.

R173 You honestly couldn't tell that R171 was joking? Please turn in your Datalounger card at the front desk.