Definitely Genna Davis. Her filmography is shit, other than a few lucky choices. She plays the same character in every movie, always with a giggly, “I’m a cutsie pie little girl but I’m 42” vibe. How the fuck did she get so big? Casting couch?
Al Pacino. So fucking hammy.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | August 1, 2023 4:50 PM |
Viola "Snot Nose" Davis wins this thread.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | August 1, 2023 4:51 PM |
Local girl.
Great archer, really dull actor.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | August 1, 2023 4:53 PM |
Kevin Spacey. He plays himself in every role.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | August 1, 2023 4:53 PM |
R1 He was brilliant in Dog Day Afternoon and The Godfather II, no question. It’s a shame that Scent of a Woman has overshadowed those performances.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | August 1, 2023 4:53 PM |
Tippi Hedren, revisionist Hitchcock blonde. Wasn't an actress before being discovered by Hitch, and wasn't after, either...
by Anonymous | reply 6 | August 1, 2023 4:57 PM |
R6 like mother, like daughter…
by Anonymous | reply 7 | August 1, 2023 4:58 PM |
I thought Geena was great in The Fly. Jeff Goldblum was smokin' hot in it.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | August 1, 2023 4:59 PM |
I liked Geena Davis, she was a good star.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | August 1, 2023 4:59 PM |
Humphrey Bogart. I have never understood his appeal. He must seem charismatic to people with daddy issues.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | August 1, 2023 5:00 PM |
R10 different era.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | August 1, 2023 5:01 PM |
I thought Geena Davis was very good in Thelma and Louise.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | August 1, 2023 5:02 PM |
Humphrey Bogart was, at least, unique. Certainly not a great acting talent, but there has been no-one like him in all the time since. Even though his vocals were rudimentary, he truly embodied "hard-bitten and cynical", which was all he played.
Under the studio system great acting wasn't that much valued. What they valued was that each star was clearly different from the others. It must have made casting, and searching for properties to film, really easy for the studio. They wanted audiences to love the star for him or herself (that is, PR self), and if the stars could convey that image on screen it was all that was needed for most of them.
Nowadays film values neither acting nor uniqueness, because both create unnecessary expense for the studios. That's why actors are so vulnerable to replacement by AI. You couldn't have got an AI to invent Humphrey Bogart if he'd never existed.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | August 1, 2023 5:13 PM |
R10
Bogart is one of those actors who - while objectively isn’t a great actor - has so much screen presence and charisma that I find him easy to watch in any movie. I never had an opinion of him until I really started watching TCM regularly about a decade ago - I don’t find him handsome but he’s so compelling to me that I’ve become a huge fan.
Also, while he was previously a Republican, his marriage to Bacall eased him into the Democratic Party at great professional risk:
The just-married Bogart, tied hand and foot to a studio bossed by a fanatic blacklister Jack Warner (trying to live down his few “liberal” movies), wasn’t a young man any more—nearly 50—when he took his brave stand in Washington D.C. by leading a delegation of A-list stars to denounce the House Un-American Activities Committee. His and Bacall's picture was all over the national press, which later was used in "evidence" against them. In the end, faced by waves of spy mania and a cowardly Truman White House bent on out-witchhunting the witchhunters, most of the CFA members resigned. The offputting harangues by the "unfriendly witnesses" of the so-called Hollywood Ten, Communist and ex-Communist screenwriters and directors subpoened by HUAC, gave the weaker spirits a perfect excuse.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | August 1, 2023 5:15 PM |
R11, I know, but there are other Golden Age actors I really like (Gary Cooper, Stanwyck, etc). I struggle with Bogart's appeal.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | August 1, 2023 5:16 PM |
JEAN HARLOW. Ugly. Just ugly.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | August 1, 2023 5:25 PM |
June Allyson just grates on my nerves.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | August 1, 2023 5:28 PM |
Jean Harlow had THE BODY. Face wasn't great but she was noted for comedic timing and she could rock a satin bias cut evening gown. She was a favorite of the film crews who considered her one of the guys, drinking, cursing and had lots of dirty jokes.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | August 1, 2023 5:35 PM |
OP
Getting an Oscar is not necessarily an indicator of talent. But Davis has a decent body of work. Her downfall was her marriage to some film producer who landed her in the disasters "cutthroat island" and "the long kiss goodnight".
She does seem a little flighty with a string of short term marriages (including costar Jeff Goldblum). So when she says she rejected the parts offered to her in her 40s I believe it.
I really liked her in quick change. That was also a nice outing for Bill Murray.
Maybe she is what some would call a character actor. But I think she got a lot of respect for having a well rounded life. And a lot of resentment as well.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | August 1, 2023 5:43 PM |
[quote]What they valued was that each star was clearly different from the others
This. We are still talking about Golden Age stars. They were distintive in looks and voice. I can identify Bogart, Bacall, Hepburn, Cary Grant and more all by voice. They all look and sound the same these days with few exceptions.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | August 1, 2023 5:44 PM |
Geena Davis also delivered a nice performance in "The Exorcist" TV series about 5 years back, as the grown-up Regan MacNeil living under a new identity.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | August 1, 2023 5:45 PM |
Jack Nicholson. I've tried to see his brilliance, but all I see is someone abrasively, hammily playing himself. Every time. I even sat through "Five Easy Pieces," trying to see some spark of genius, but nothing.
Even in "The Shining" -- in a role where hammy over-the-topness was required -- he's unsatisfying. His character has no real arc. At the beginning of the movie, Jack Torrance is Jack Nicholson turned up to 6; at the end, he's Jack Nicholson turned up to 11.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | August 1, 2023 5:46 PM |
As Good As It Gets is his best role R22
by Anonymous | reply 23 | August 1, 2023 5:49 PM |
Love Gina!
by Anonymous | reply 24 | August 1, 2023 5:50 PM |
Nicholson always looked like a perv and he was wrong for The Shining. Jack Torrance was a frustrated, alcoholic writer but was deeply ashamed of his abusive behavior. Nicholason can't play ashamed. Duvall was all wrong too.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | August 1, 2023 5:51 PM |
Geena Davis fan here.
I love Geena Davis in The Accidental Tourist (which she won for, deservedly so). It's a great adaptation of the book. She is also great in Earth Girls Are Easy, The Fly, Thelma and Louise, A League of Their Own, and Beetlejuice. She's quirky, tall, smart and gorgeous. I think she was sort of locked in that period she got famous in (the 90s), sadly. I did like her as a female US President in Commander in Chief (TV). She is also an activist and launched The Geena Davis Institute on Gender in Media which has done a lot of good.
Nicholson, above was fantastic when he was young, but he starting losing it (in my mind) around his Batman era. I thought his turn in The Departed was crap.
Overrated in our era: Jennifer Lawrence; Timothee Chalamet. I don't get their hoh-hum appeal at all. I'm not saying they're horrible but they're not great. Snooze.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | August 1, 2023 5:52 PM |
Ryan Gosling, while not a bad actor, is overrated. Ditto Pete Davidson.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | August 1, 2023 5:53 PM |
Shelly Winters
John Wayne
Adam Driver
Timothee Chalamet
Sarah Jessica Parker
Keke Palmer
Ansel Egort
John Hamm
by Anonymous | reply 28 | August 1, 2023 5:55 PM |
Leo DiCaprio never disappears in a role. It’s always Leo trying really hard to be something.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | August 1, 2023 6:00 PM |
Christopher Walken
by Anonymous | reply 30 | August 1, 2023 6:01 PM |
The tide is against OP, the DLers have spoken!
by Anonymous | reply 31 | August 1, 2023 6:01 PM |
I enjoy Leo most of the time, R29, but I think you're right. His sweaty effort is all too visible sometimes. It was ridiculous seeing him in "Don't Look Up" and trying to buy him as a scientist AND a heartthrob.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | August 1, 2023 6:02 PM |
FF R31
The Racist!
by Anonymous | reply 33 | August 1, 2023 6:04 PM |
Hated Leo in J. EDGAR.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | August 1, 2023 6:09 PM |
Nicholson was great in [italic]One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest[/italic]. His work got boring when the adulation started, but through the 70s he was still turning in good performances.
Leo and Tom Hanks both have been miscast repeatedly because they're proven box office favorites. I thought Hanks was all wrong for the [italic]Da Vinci Code[/italic] and [italic]Bonfire of the Vanities[/italic]. But put him in something odd like [italic]Big[/italic] and you can see why he's successful.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | August 1, 2023 6:25 PM |
Nicholson is a ham but what's worse is that he's influenced a bunch of actors that came after him. Like Christian Slater.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | August 1, 2023 6:28 PM |
[quote] Keke Palmer
Why Keke Palmer? I like her as a star, she is definitely entertaining and charismatic.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | August 1, 2023 6:30 PM |
Halle Berry. So ridiculous she won an Oscar for Monster's Ball.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | August 1, 2023 6:40 PM |
R5 - Hoo Ha!
by Anonymous | reply 39 | August 1, 2023 6:41 PM |
Tom Hanks! He's always Tom Hanks. Or, Tom Hanks with fake accent.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | August 1, 2023 6:41 PM |
I know one actor who no one ever overrates.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | August 1, 2023 6:46 PM |
DiCaprio's most ridiculous role was as Howard Hughes in THE AVIATOR. What on earth was Scorsese thinking?? Hughes, crazy as he was, had sex appeal, which is one thing Leo has never possessed.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | August 1, 2023 6:56 PM |
Meryl Streep
by Anonymous | reply 43 | August 1, 2023 7:17 PM |
R42 WRONG!
by Anonymous | reply 44 | August 1, 2023 7:20 PM |
Timothee Chalamet's success will be one of life's greatest mysteries. Absolutely no charisma or personality, average looking at best, and monotone and one-note acting. Everything he's been in other than Dune has been a bomb. Nobody wants to see him in anything but he gets cast and then destroys the film.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | August 1, 2023 7:24 PM |
[quote] Genna Davis
OP, if you want anyone to take you even a tiny bit seriously, perhaps you could learn to spell?
by Anonymous | reply 46 | August 1, 2023 7:24 PM |
DiCaprio was interesting as a young actor but he's been woefully miscast in everything he's done for the last 15 to 20 years.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | August 1, 2023 7:25 PM |
[quote] John Hamm
Jon Hamm. It's really not that challenging of a name to spell.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | August 1, 2023 7:26 PM |
Johnny Depp. He's one-note, and now even that one note is flat.
His Keith Richards imitation as Jack Sparrow is improv-quality, but gets boring after about 2 minutes.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | August 1, 2023 7:31 PM |
Leonardo Dicrapio. What is the big deal, apart from his big fat ass??
by Anonymous | reply 50 | August 1, 2023 7:32 PM |
Jon Hamm gives me the creeps. Same "bitches deserve what's coming to 'em" cockiness and amoral, dead eyes as Robert Chambers.
I doubt he'll ever again approach his Mad Men peak of popularity.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | August 1, 2023 7:34 PM |
R50 a big fat ass makes up for a lot!!
by Anonymous | reply 52 | August 1, 2023 8:23 PM |
To me it's simplistic to write off Jack Nicholson and/or Al Pacino. God knows they've hammed their way through any number of pictures, but both men have done outstanding work over several decades.
Jack Nicholson's greatness is for me secured by at least 8 performances, spanning 30 years of work: CARNAL KNOWLEDGE . . . CHINATOWN . . . THE FORTUNE . . . REDS . . . IRONWEED . . . THE CROSSING GUARD . . . THE PLEDGE . . . ABOUT SCHMIDT. Whatever you think of the individual films (I'd never claim that either THE FORTUNE or IRONWEED is a great film), his work in all of them is outstanding.
And I think that Pacino is superb in these 11 movies: THE GODFATHER . . . SERPICO . . . THE GODFATHER PART II . . . DOG DAY AFTERNOON . . . FRANKIE AND JOHNNY . . . GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS . . . CARLITO'S WAY . . . DONNIE BRASCO . . . THE INSIDER . . . INSOMNIA . . . ANGELS IN AMERICA. Again, I wouldn't say that each of these *movies* is great (though CARLITO'S WAY, for example, is a highly underrated overall), but he's terrific in them. He's also made regular returns to the stage, often to great effect.
To me the big disappointments of that generation are Dustin Hoffman (who for me hasn't given a first-rate performance since WAG THE DOG, over 25 years go, and before that the last great work he did was in TOOTSIE) and Robert de Niro (all too obviously -- when was the last time he surprised you with a performance?). They have both been wonderful, but not in a very long time -- longer, by my lights, than either Nicholson or Pacino.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | August 1, 2023 8:43 PM |
Agree, R47. Hopefully, now that he has finally won an Oscar, he may dial it down a notch. He did quite a bit in Once Upon a Time - his portrayal was more in line with a character actor while Pitt was the "star". But...his films in production seem like more of the same award-baity stuff. We'll see.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | August 1, 2023 8:45 PM |
When it comes to actors who have primarily worked in television, I thought Chandra Wilson was very overrated during the early years of Grey's Anatomy when she got Emmy nods.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | August 1, 2023 8:49 PM |
Kate McKinnon is the most overrated SNL cast member of all time and she sucks in most of the movies she has done.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | August 1, 2023 8:52 PM |
R56, for me that distinction belongs to Gilda Radner.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | August 1, 2023 8:55 PM |
No longer, but Lens Dunham in the early days of Girls. You would have thought she was performing at the same level as Shakespeare. Girls was trite but treated as relavatory.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | August 1, 2023 8:57 PM |
OP did I inspire this thread by my amazement she somehow got a Golden Globe nod ahead of Kathleen Turner for Serial Mom?
by Anonymous | reply 59 | August 1, 2023 9:08 PM |
R59 yes
by Anonymous | reply 60 | August 1, 2023 9:32 PM |
Speechless is a steaming pile of shit.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | August 1, 2023 9:32 PM |
Emily Blunt
by Anonymous | reply 62 | August 1, 2023 10:01 PM |
Kristen Stewart. The most uncharismatic and unattractive "hot" woman produced by Hollywood so far. Just look at her Met Gala pics, it's like she's not even trying. But she is.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | August 1, 2023 10:03 PM |
R63 she looks awful there. Is she trying to look like Pete Davidson?
by Anonymous | reply 64 | August 1, 2023 10:09 PM |
R64, I was thinking Bob Dylan but Bob Dylan looked better than that when he was Kristen's age.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | August 1, 2023 10:11 PM |
I know that she’s losing her sight and I’m sorry for that but Dame Judy Dench is severely overrated.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | August 1, 2023 11:31 PM |
My name is JUDI, you fat whore!
by Anonymous | reply 67 | August 1, 2023 11:41 PM |
Helen Mirren. Never got the fuss.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | August 1, 2023 11:59 PM |
Oh, yeah, and while we're at it, Emma Thompson, too.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | August 2, 2023 12:01 AM |
Jessica Tandy
Geraldine Page
by Anonymous | reply 70 | August 2, 2023 12:12 AM |
Geena doesn't have a good gum-to-tooth ratio.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | August 2, 2023 12:26 AM |
Robin Williams. Yes, there was tremendous talent there, but it seemed to come out in a firehose of desperation. And often his acting (abetted by the material he chose) had a treacly, mawkish qualilty. In smaller doses, he was fine. In larger doses, sometimes it makes you sweat just watching all the "please love me!" effort going on.
My favorite role of his was in "Mrs Doubtfire" -- likely because he was forced to play someone who was not frenetic and kinetic, but reserved and understated. I wish he had done more roles that restrained his more volatile qualities.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | August 2, 2023 12:26 AM |
I also thought Robin Williams was overrated. But, I did like him in Awakenings and Good Will Hunting.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | August 2, 2023 12:29 AM |
Robin Williams was good when he wasn’t being “Robin Williams”. That may have happened in 2-3 movies
by Anonymous | reply 74 | August 2, 2023 1:13 AM |
He was good in Jumanji.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | August 2, 2023 1:18 AM |
[quote] CARLITO'S WAY, for example, is highly underrated overall
I agree.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | August 2, 2023 1:30 AM |
R69 = ghost of Audrey Hepburn
by Anonymous | reply 77 | August 2, 2023 1:51 AM |
Clint Eastwood. Still think he's a terrible actor,
And I was never a Geena Davis fan, but years later I loved her in GLOW.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | August 2, 2023 2:04 AM |
R77, R69 here. 👍 Weird thing is, I totally agree with Thompson's now-infamous twee assessment of AH. I loathe AH and her big-eyed Bambi schtick with the heat of a thousand suns, but Thompson irritates me, too, although for different reasons.
For the record, I liked Geena Davis in Tootsie.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | August 2, 2023 2:56 AM |
Meryl fucking Streep. She is the same, except for the accent du jour, in every fucking movie.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | August 2, 2023 3:00 AM |
Robin Williams had to dial it back in dead poets society, but the subdued mania was perfect for that picture. I felt sorry for him in Good Will Hunting. He was a kind of a heart on his sleeve actor and I think his depression was showing in that performance. Losing him hurt badly.
Jack started to decline around five easy pieces. And even though he didn't show much range, as good as it gets and a few good men resurrected his brand. The witches of Eastwick was a guilty pleasure.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | August 2, 2023 3:13 AM |
During heated arguments, Natalie Wood would disparage Robert Wagner’s acting ability with the remark, “You have two expressions!”
Wagner would retort, “Yeah, but those two expressions bought you a lot of jewelry”.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | August 2, 2023 3:21 AM |
Richard Gere
Lassie
Ingrid Bergman
by Anonymous | reply 83 | August 2, 2023 3:25 AM |
R22 I disagree. Jack Nicholson was exceptional in Cuckoo's Nest and perfect in The Shining. Charisma for days.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | August 2, 2023 3:44 AM |
Another vote for Jon Hamm. How many shitty movies is this bloated alcoholic allowed to have? Confess Fletch and Maggie Moores were pieces of shit. And another thing he is not funny.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | August 2, 2023 4:39 AM |
Frances McDormand - no emotional range, very unattractive, and her badass schtick gets old very fast. She really doesn’t deserve to be in the 3x Oscar club with Meryl Streep and Daniel Day Lewis.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | August 2, 2023 1:45 PM |
Anyone (including Emma Thompson) who thinks Audrey Hepburn had no range or was always too twee should check her out in "The Nun's Story." It's in the TCM library of Max.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | August 2, 2023 1:52 PM |
Emma Thompson can be good but I would never call her great. She's an egotist and a champagne socialist
by Anonymous | reply 88 | August 2, 2023 2:17 PM |
I like Geena Davis, but wow, her face is the size of a Buick. Is it aging or fillers or wtf?
by Anonymous | reply 89 | August 2, 2023 2:19 PM |
Nicholson is actually the best modern analogy with Bogart and the Golden Age stars. He is absolutely distinctive and always pretty much the same. The movies in which people are saying he's great are (with the exception of The Shining) the movies with the best scripts. He can deliver a great line with great impact, but he does always do it pretty much the same way. The contempt with which he speaks to Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men is the same contempt with which he speaks to Diane Keaton in Reds, even though in one he's a military general and in the other he's the sickly Eugene O'Neill. But both performances feel great because the characters as written are terrific. (Beatty and/or Trevor Griffiths had the brilliant insight in Reds that in reality O'Neill was probably a lot more "Jamie" than "Edmund". Nicholson could never play Edmund in Long Day's Journey but he'd have been a Jamie for the ages.)
Judi Dench and Helen Mirren built their reputations in theatre as well as film. If you only know their recent film and TV work you're only judging a third of the product, whereas most of the actors we're discussing here are pure movies.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | August 2, 2023 3:27 PM |
Helen was wonderful in Prime Suspect but she has been in so much dreck recently
by Anonymous | reply 91 | August 2, 2023 3:31 PM |
I don’t disrespect actors who were fantastic in their low paying prestige roles early in their careers who now work for the paycheck. I can’t deny the talent of Mirren, DeNiro, etc when you look at their early work. Somewhere along the way the decided to make more money. Can you blame them?
by Anonymous | reply 92 | August 2, 2023 3:41 PM |
Sure I can, R92. Their finances aren't my concern (and in any case I have a hard time imagining that either Mirren or de Niro has struggled for money in quite a long time). In particular, I resent the squandering of de Niro's talent; Mirren at least has continued to work on the stage along the way.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | August 2, 2023 4:35 PM |
Really, R90? Nicholson's performance in REDS is conceived/scaled very differently than his (very enjoyable) showboating turn in A FEW GOOD MEN. Contrast the restraint he shows in CHINATOWN, PRIZZI'S HONOR and ABOUT SCHMIDT with his wildly over-the-top work in THE FORTUNE (which is rather unlike the "Just Jack" quality that so many resent in some of his most famous movies).
To put it another way -- can you imagine Humphrey Bogart in all those parts? In more than 1 or 2 of them?
by Anonymous | reply 94 | August 2, 2023 4:40 PM |
Yes, R94, I can. All of them. He wouldn't be as good as Nicholson because he's Bogart, not Nicholson, but he could do all of them with the same level of variety Nicholson shows. I agree that in Reds N's performance is scaled down, but it's just Jessup much understated, not something entirely different. Apart from Easy Rider, nearly all his performances have some element of "You're scum and I'm better than you" about them.
In fact, I was watching The Caine Mutiny today for the first time in ages, and was very struck at how much of an influence it must have been on A Few Good Men.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | August 2, 2023 4:52 PM |
Who does the "rating" for all these actors/actresses anyway.
I am sick of Ryan Reynolds.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | August 2, 2023 4:56 PM |
Brie Larson, Jessica Chastain, Bryce Dallas Howard and Margot Robbie are the current actresses that are overrated. They're all so very bland to me and I get them confused all the time. Matt Damon, with the exception of a couple titles, is also a dud.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | August 2, 2023 5:19 PM |
Jennifer Lawrence, who in addition to being untalented, is ignorant and arrogant enough to claim she was the first female action star.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | August 2, 2023 5:58 PM |
Ben a Affleck has never been memorable in anything
by Anonymous | reply 99 | August 2, 2023 7:45 PM |
“Range” is what’s overrated in an actor - like many have said already, the Golden Age stars are immortal because of their presence and uniqueness. Bogart is better remembered than Paul Muni despite Muni being what people now think is “good” acting because he was more memorable. I don’t get the idea that naturalistic = good acting. Jack Nicholson is a fantastic star too, I don’t get the hate for him either.
I also take offense to whoever said Jean Harlow - she was an excellent comedienne with a great screen presence. Far superior to Marilyn Monroe - who is one of the few Golden Age stars that I find overrated, same with Audrey Hepburn.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | August 2, 2023 7:51 PM |
[quote] As Good As It Gets is his best role [R22]
IMO, Nicholson was miscast in As Good As It Gets. There was a scene where Jack is in his bathroom, washing his hands with a brand new bar of Neutrogena soap in hot, steaming water. After washing his hands, he throws away the entire bar of soap. He just looked like a slob, IMO, anyway. I didn't believe him as someone who had a phobia about dirty hands.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | August 2, 2023 8:08 PM |
[quote] I don’t get the idea that naturalistic = good acting
You think mannered acting is better? Actors are portraying how people are in real life, not “hark! I hear a kettle boiling.”
by Anonymous | reply 102 | August 2, 2023 10:12 PM |
Zendaya is a piss poor actress and I think at best average looking. I don't get why she's the only ingenue being offered everything.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | August 3, 2023 3:00 AM |
Adam Driver's performances in Blackkklansman and Marriage Story were overrated. Like Chalamet, he's a character actor so put him in well written character parts. Stop pushing him as a leading man.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | August 3, 2023 3:02 AM |
Marriage Story was e B-grade Woody Allen, not sure why it was so acclaimed.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | August 3, 2023 3:11 AM |
R105, It won me an Oscar.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | August 3, 2023 3:23 AM |
[quote] "Jean Harlow had THE BODY. "
Except for working kidneys.
Jokes aside: I've always thought she looked really trashy, and have used that as inspiration for my own work, more than once. "White Trash, but make it 1920s". She featured in BOTH of those project research mood boards. That's exactly how I see her. But I am sorry she died at such a young age. That part was geninely awful.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | August 3, 2023 3:25 AM |
The Long Kiss Goodnight is one of my favorite action films and I am not an action film fan. Sam Jackson is great.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | August 3, 2023 3:25 AM |
DeNiro and DiCaprio. Scorsese and his editor are excellent in shaping their work and those productions typically make everyone look good. I do not get DeNiro outside of a small number of performances, I find him visibly acting a lot.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | August 3, 2023 3:55 AM |
[quote] Like Chalamet, he's a character actor so put him in well written character parts.
Not trying to start a fight, but maybe the idea of "leading men" and "character actors" is kind of silly and outdated. Not being specific with Chalamet (I haven't seen any of his performances).
In reality, Hollywood's character actors look more like you and me (regular people). Why can't they be "leading men" if they are the main character of a story?
by Anonymous | reply 110 | August 3, 2023 4:47 AM |
R106/Laura, I love you, but we both know that wasn't even your best work.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | August 3, 2023 4:52 AM |
Amy Adams when she was getting all those Oscar nominations, although a lot of the time it seemed to be in movies that were getting attention for the other performances and she got carried along by the hype.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | August 3, 2023 6:49 AM |
I have to agree about Judi Dench. She has been very good in things but why her cameo appearance in that garbage heap Shakespeare In Love was so fawned over I will never understand. I haven't seen it in years but it felt like she appeared for a few moments, delivered some lines, and left. Any number of actresses could have done the same with that role. It didn't seem special to me. She was excellent in Notes On A Scandal, though, for which an Oscar win would have been more deserved.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | August 3, 2023 9:16 AM |
R107
OK, I laughed.
I love Jean Harlow because William Powell did and I consider him the pinnacle of 30s Hollywood chic and taste. And I think (this isn’t necessarily to you, but to anyone in general) that she was mostly just considered cute and sexy and not a great actor like Hepburn. Think about the time: the drab depression and here comes this platinum blonde babe with a sassy mouth - and people used to say that she had a peaches and cream complexion, which sounds so captivating but wasn’t captured on B&W.
IIRC and FWIW, she came from an upper middle class Kansas City family, so not very white trash but I see your point and would love to hear more about your work! I have a BA in theatre and a BS in film so I love hearing from people in the industry.
Anyway, I do wish she had time to grow as a performer because she had such potential.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | August 3, 2023 1:19 PM |
Idris Elba. Always touted as the next Bond. I don't get the hype. Maybe he's got good PR?
Another vote for Frances McDormand. The bad-ass shtick is boring.
Pitt/Jolie/Aniston. All regarded as A-listers but all are B-list talent-wise.
Will Smith. Can't. Fucking. Stand him.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | August 3, 2023 1:36 PM |
Love Idris Elba but I’m still reeling from CATS…
by Anonymous | reply 116 | August 3, 2023 1:40 PM |
Scarlett Johansson always seemed like an emotionally flat actor to me, maybe until Marriage Story.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | August 3, 2023 1:47 PM |
R117, I never understood why Elizabeth Taylor named her as one of the then current crop of beautiful actresses.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | August 3, 2023 2:12 PM |
A friend and I have used one of Geena Davis’ lines from Tootsie (“Yeah, well, we got it all”) as a routine response to anything underwhelming for years. I have a soft spot for her.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | August 3, 2023 2:14 PM |
R119, Her series where she played the first female POTUS rocketed to #1, stayed there for about three weeks and then plummeted in the ratings and was yanked.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | August 3, 2023 2:18 PM |
Sean Penn, another ham.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | August 3, 2023 2:24 PM |
R118, it must be a hetero thing. Every hetero person I know thinks Scarlet is hot and stunning but I just don't see it.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | August 3, 2023 2:32 PM |
Scarlet gave a flat performance in The Other Boleyn Girl (miscast?) and Girl with Pearl Earring. When I see her being interviewed, she seems OK, though. I think it's the open mouth upon repose. Maybe some people find it sexy, but it makes her look dumb.
Girl w/Pearl was a bad movie in general, seemed more like a Lifetime movie.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | August 3, 2023 4:11 PM |
Straight guys love her curves and titties.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | August 3, 2023 4:17 PM |
I loved Harlow in films like DINNER AT EIGHT, BOMBSHELL, LIBELED LADY, and RED DUST, but when she tried to play an aristocratic Brit in HELL'S ANGELS it was dreadful. Admittedly that was very early in her career, but she did have a limited range, like most Hollywood stars then. William Powell is exactly the same in everything he does.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | August 3, 2023 4:30 PM |
R125, “Wife vs. Secretary” is a favorite of mine.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | August 3, 2023 4:36 PM |
Certain stars like Bette Davis, Fredric March, Paul Muni, Spencer Tracy played a wide variety of roles.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | August 3, 2023 5:01 PM |
PS “Playing oneself”, as some people put it, really is a talent. It’s impossible to really play oneself. Appearing natural so people think you’re playing yourself is difficult.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | August 3, 2023 5:07 PM |
No way in the world should Walter One-Note Brennan have won three Oscars. Always played himself.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | August 3, 2023 5:20 PM |
People say that Madonna played herself in Desperately Seeking Susan. That was probably her best role, ever. So, maybe there is something easier about "playing oneself."
That said, I agree that any performance that looks like someone is "playing oneself" is a good performance.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | August 3, 2023 5:32 PM |
R128, Lauren Bacall played herself constantly.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | August 3, 2023 7:48 PM |
ScarJo often seems vapid on the screen, though she doesn't in interviews. [italic]Lucy[/italic] had some cringeworthy moments when she portrays someone with superhuman intellectual capacity. When she's arguing with her boyfriend she's fine, when she's scared to death, she's fine, but when she's talking to a neurology professor the dialogue is laughable (it's also badly written, but her acting inability does not help).
by Anonymous | reply 132 | August 3, 2023 9:04 PM |
[quote] I also take offense to whoever said Jean Harlow
You "take offense"? Honey, I'm not the person who said her, but [italic]get over it.[/italic] Life is too short.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | August 3, 2023 9:12 PM |
There are actors who have very limited ranges, but when they're playing within that range they're absolutely terrific. Elizabeth Taylor comes to mind--Sandra Bullock is another.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | August 3, 2023 9:14 PM |
R129 Come And Get It, he played a North-country Swedish logger, in Kentucky he played an old, Southern horse breeder, and in The Westerner he played Judge Roy Bean. The three characters (and performances) were totally different.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | August 3, 2023 9:30 PM |
Sorry r135 but I don’t see it…
by Anonymous | reply 136 | August 3, 2023 11:00 PM |
Wasn’t Walter Brennan an avowed racist/anti-Semite?
by Anonymous | reply 137 | August 3, 2023 11:03 PM |
R135, If an actor removes his dentures on film, he wins an Oscar.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | August 3, 2023 11:05 PM |
If an actor gains 30+ pounds (for the role), he / she wins an Oscar.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | August 3, 2023 11:49 PM |
If a beautiful actress looks ugly for a role, she wins an Oscar.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | August 4, 2023 12:18 AM |
R138, Walter Huston removed his dentures for “The Treasure of the Sierra Madre” and he won an Oscar.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | August 4, 2023 12:19 AM |
KIRK DOUGLAS OWNS THIS THREAD
by Anonymous | reply 142 | August 4, 2023 12:21 AM |
“If an actor gains 30+ pounds (for the role), he / she wins an Oscar.“
If an actor LOSES 30+ pounds (for the role), he / she wins an Oscar.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | August 4, 2023 12:21 AM |
Christian Bale didn’t win for The Machinist. I don’t even think he was nominated…
by Anonymous | reply 144 | August 4, 2023 12:23 AM |
America Ferrera is a bland actress. I don't get how the fuck she still manages to get cast in high-profile projects like the Barbie movie.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | August 4, 2023 12:50 AM |
Skimming America Ferrera's post-UGLY BETTY credits, R145, I don't see many "high-profile projects" -- before BARBIE, I'd only count a 4-episode stint on THE GOOD WIFE.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | August 4, 2023 1:03 AM |
R145, She’s this generation’s Annette Funicello.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | August 4, 2023 1:07 AM |
Also, I’m sure Greta had a lot to do with her being cast in Barbie.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | August 4, 2023 1:14 AM |
Annette Funicello had a banging body, at least.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | August 4, 2023 1:28 AM |
Yes r137, he was. He laughed when MLK was asassinated.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | August 4, 2023 2:11 AM |
[quote] He laughed when MLK was asassinated.
Well, you have to admit, it was amusing!
by Anonymous | reply 151 | August 4, 2023 2:36 AM |
Robert De Niro, most overrated actor of the last 50 years.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | August 4, 2023 2:38 PM |
Except for 3 or 4 great roles, Marlon Brando was highly overrated.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | August 4, 2023 2:40 PM |
BRANDO OWNS THIS THREAD!
by Anonymous | reply 154 | August 4, 2023 5:08 PM |