Ryan Gosling absolutely OUTSHINES Margot Robbie in every scene they share in "Barbie",

Don’t forget to Eatwhen Momsays!

I wish I could have gotten a better photo but I did not wanna upset anyone.

It was a sold out showing (they all are) . As for the audience, there were surprisingly a lot of guys there with their girlfriends/wives. I was one of the first people in the theatre (I wanted to make sure I got a corner seat because BAM doesnt do reserved seating) so I saw mostly everyone as they were coming in. There were very few children, it was probably 96% adults of all ages, and probably 93-95% white. There were a few Asians and a few black people (3 of them were directly next to me and two right in front of me) but it was honestly a very white audience. Two elder gays watched it together, one looked in his 40s and the other looked at least a decade older. It was a very good audience. No one speaking loudly or being obnoxious, no rowdy teens, no crying kids, it was good (but that is the type of audience BAM attracts and part of why I have come here for at least 15 years).

Ryan Goaling

My movie ticket!!! I should have had it printed but oh well.

[quote]Ryan Goaling

Who are the morons that this funny? Yeah, somebody mistyped his name a few days ago. So what?

Do you expect us to be amused by one person's mistake and call him that in perpetuity?

Fuck off.

Give it five minutes, r5.

It will suddenly be a DL meme that has been know for all time and is HYSTERICALLY FUNNY!

[quote] Two elder gays watched it together, one looked in his 40s and the other looked at least a decade older.

40s and elder.. I'll accept it... begrudgingly

r7 I apologize but DL told me that once you pass 35 you are officially an elder in the gay world, and some even argued its 30.

As for the gentlemen, the one who looks younger was seated a few rows in front of me (he was there pretty early also) and then as the theatre filled up he walked back and asked me if anyone was seated in the 4 empty seats next to me. I told him no so he sat there and then a few minutes later got up and walked out of the theatre. In that time a young couple asked me if anyone was sitting by me and i didnt know if that guy was gonna keep his seat or not because he left nothing there, so I said no and they sat by me (a cute young interracial couple). A few minutes later he walked back in with his older, grey haired friend (wearing a button down shirt and khakis and glasses) and he went back to the spot he was sitting in originally. You could tell they were both gay but I didnt get the impression they were more than friends, but who knows.

Here's what my favorite gay movie critics have to say about Barbie. Be warned, the review contains spoilers. Basically they were expecting more from Ryan's performance.

r9 I dont know what they could have been expecting. The clips that were released all show he is a campy lovesick dope and comedy relief in all scenes. Did they think he was gonna have a big monologue and breakdown scene like the women got to have? I knew he wasnt.

Thank you for this, OP! Gosling is my favorite. I have tickets for tonight, taking my niece.

[quote]There were a few Asians and a few black people (3 of them were directly next to me and two right in front of me)

Right next to you??!!

r11 have fun. I have never disliked him but always found him overrated in the looks and talent category (and he really didnt deserve an Oscar nod for La la land), but I did love him in this. He was a blast and part of that is because you could tell he himself was having fun with this role and camping it up but it works.

Scott Evans has no business having his own Ken poster for this. He has like 2 lines.

r12 two young couples (that had to be early 20s at max, maybe even 18/19) sat directly next to me. The two directly next to me was a young black couple and next to them was a young couple, a black girl and her white boyfriend.

OP what’s the point of the movie? It looks so stupid and grating - I could barely get through the preview.

My aisle had a black, a woman, two Jews and a cripple.

Wait, was the black couple gay or were the ones next to you two white people, I'm confused.

Yeah and exactly what hairstyles did the black couple have? And were they dressed in muted tones or fashionably smart? Also, the gay couple, non-couple, could you tell us if the elder one seemed annoyed at any time throughout the movie?

r18 Honey, I only people watched before the movie started, as people were coming in and finding their seats because I decided to go to a very early showing because I was able to get tickets right before that showing sold out. I took today off so it worked, and i went alone.

I did not notice what the young black couple by me was wearing but I did notice they were black (obviously). I do not know what the elder one looked like once the movie started. The younger one was very tall and slender though, looked like he had a fresh tan and blue eyes.

r17 the two gays were white.

Why are people losing their shit over this silly movie?

I don't even understand the premise of it.

And Ryan Gosling has an annoying face, I can't explain it.

I'm not interested. I don't go to movies these days. However, the movie has had a great marketing campaign maximized to spread the word and make as much money as possible.

WB put another $40 million into the marketing last minute to really hammer this movie into the minds of everyone. It is inescapable worldwide, people in other countries have complained about how hardcore this movie is being pushed also. WB cant afford another flop so they need this one to be a hit

I see a certain someone on here who commented on here just made a thread claiming to have seen the movie even though their account shows they havent stopped posting....

Does this bitch Gerwig believe that men and women can't co-exist together? Ugh. Yeah I was surprised at just how many men were at the screening I went to.

The funniest part of Greta Gerwig always being praised for her feminism is the fact that she fucked and stole Noah Bauchman from an 8 month pregnant Jennifer Jason Leigh and then married him.

Thats a real feminist there lmao

R14 R19 Dear god, OP. Do you have popcorn between your ears?

I smell OSCAR!!!!!

R25 exactly.

Gosling has given genius performances. Perhaps this is another one.. Also, he's still transcendentally hot.

R25 is Jennifer Jason Leigh.

r29 disagree. He has given mostly performances that are good enough but never great. He is a limited actor with little to no facial expression

It would have been appropriate to give Tyra a role in Barbie. She was a human doll years ago in "Life-Size"

I have heard this and considering it's supposed to be a "feminist" film with a mean spirited man hating ending, it warms my cockles, no offense to Robbie, who I like.

He looks sensational in a jockstrap.

Thanks for the review, OP!

I'll pass on the movie.

I may be one of the only people I know who’s not attracted to him or a fan of his but he looks absolutely hilarious in this.

R37 I don’t find him very attractive either and he looks mostly bloated in the face during this promo tour

I know this sounds like a perverted question, but a couple of offhanded comments made by reviewers made me wonder. Is there reference in the movie, comedic or otherwise, to either Barbie or especially Ken not having genitals? It seems like something you could wring some comedy out of, but maybe the movie didn't want to sink that low. Thanks

R39 yes! When Barbie and Ken first arrive to the “country” of California from Barbieland, Barbie is getting catcalled by different men, so she tells Ken let’s go by the construction site for female empowerment (because in Barbieland the women do all the jobs etc) and she realizes it’s all men, who again, start making vulgar suggestions to her. She then lets the construction workers know she has no genitalia, nothing. Her and Ken both lack a vagina and penis so their catcalls are pointless, and then she storms off. Ken says he has “all the parts” to the men before walking away not to feel emasculated and embarrassed that Barbie told them that about him.

I loved Gosling in Blue Valentine, a movie I found riveting as well as emotionally harrowing. He was hilarious and hot in Crazy Stupid Love. I don't find him super hot generally but he is better than average looking for sure. However in Blade Runner 2060 or whatever the movie was so long with so many close ups of his face that his close set eyes began to annoy me after the 2 hr mark and now that's all I never notice about him.

It takes a lot of work to be Barbie.

He’s starting to look funny. Lay off the work and fillers

Even though Ryan Gosling was a child actor, I bought into his “too cool” persona and thought he was above the fake Hollywood bullshit.

For that reason, I’ve been disappointed by his hairpiece, luxury brand endorsements, and extensive cosmetic procedures.

[Quote] Let me start by saying Ryan Gosling gives what is arguably the best performance of his career.

Which isn't saying very much

As a child of the ‘70s, I had a Mod Hair Ken who wore a white dickey under his blazer.

I would love to see that replicated in the film.

Here he is:

From the look of the packaging he probably should’ve come with a jock strap and a merkin.

Pinkass Citizen Kane

OP, as a woman, for me the only thing that trans actor signifies is the idea that women are pieces of plastic manufactured in a factory according to crude stereotypes. Maybe that was the intention.

bald white men just need to kill themselves.

Opinion piece states that Gosling is the most memorable part of the film.

R44 that’s your own fault. Everyone should have known he wasn’t “too cool”. He’s a fucking actor. Marlon Brando’s don’t exist anymore. They can’t afford to.

I loved how much Josh Brolin hated him while filming Gangster Squad, calling him a poser.

Being hated by Josh Brolin makes me like Gosling even more.

What does Brando possess?

R54 = Diane Lane’s bag o’ frozen peas

It's unfortunate that, as in Oppenheimer, there is by default no dick in the Barbie movie, even though it is Gosling.

I met Josh Brolin around a decade ago. He is a standoffish guy but ultimately seemed nice. Depends when you catch him I hear. He can be grumpy.

He was smoking hot in person though with a round full butt. I was impressed by how his ass looked in his pants, which weren’t even tight.

R57 AGAIN, it’s a Barbie movie. Why would there be dick? Jesus. You really need to get help.

R54 Brolin is a much better actor than Gosling and way better looking in a natural way. He’s older now but in his youth he would give Gosling a run for his money.

He said Gosling is a poser, puts on this cool NYC persona when in reality he’s a Canadian boy and nothing like his public persona. I assume there was more reason but he said he would never wanna work with Gosling again lol. I think he saw through that persona and rolled his eyes.

R60 = Vera Farmiga

R57 Relax, that is exactly what I said. No need for ad hominems.

I meant R59

R62 you’re an adult. Time to act accordingly.

R64 Please stop this hall monitoring self-appointed governess business of yours.

If the movie was as blatantly anti-male as you say (for a whole paragraph), why did you think it rate it a 7/10?

R65 you’re an adult. This is a site for adults. This isn’t about hall monitors. It’s about being an adult on an adult site. If you aren’t an adult you don’t belong here. Legally. You don’t belong here.

*rated

R66 I liked the first 2/3rds, mostly. The first act is great fun. The second act is sorta fun but ridiculous (the men who work at Mattel are all idiots and sexist trash, all men are) but it’s funny. The final act goes full preaching.

Josh Brolin is a seriously underrated actor. He was amazing in 'Milk' and 'Sicario', two very different roles that he NAILED. Unfortunately most of his movies I have zero interest in. I had high hopes for 'W' because I forgot what a hack Oliver Stone is.

Brolin is doing fine. He’s a nepo baby. He didn’t have to work hard to break into the business. And yes, he’s talented and attractive

Does Margot get with her scissor sister Kate McKinnon in this like they did in Bombshell?

Does Barbie have a bush?

Barbie Bush

I have heard that you can bring Barbie into a Florida Airport as long as it is fully clothed- IN BOX. Otherwise they can be confiscated and the owner “re-educated”

Nude Barbies can be confiscated and burned

Literally dying for this hoodie

This guy breaks down how anti-man the movie is. Is he being a drama Queen? Yes. But is he lying about this happening in the movie? No.

Don't forget me. The best Human Ken Doll ever!

R77- You literally said what i almost typed. Where can I get this hoodie!

Who played Francie, Barbie's mod cousin from London?

[quote] Who played Francie, Barbie's mod cousin from London?

Kate O'Mara

Guys, Barbie and Ken side characters aren’t in this. Only both of their first best friends are in this, Midge and Allan. Midge is just a cameo. Allan has a supporting role and helps the Barbie’s overthrow the patriarchy Ken built after visiting the real world.

Barbie’s sisters or other friends aren’t there. Skipper is mentioned once in the real world.

Was Ken really a platinum blond doll?

Originals

R85 we know what they looked like….

Gerwig is very smug and loves to preach.

I like gosling but hard pass on paying to see this nonsense. I’ll stream it eventually and see how far I get.

Malibu Ken was the first blonde Ken, and he became the default at some point.

R88 incorrect. Ken and Barbie were brunette and blonde back in the 60s. You could get the blonde or the brunette. The blonde was the more popular one so with time they both were made blonde by default, getting rid of the brunette versions.

This was the very first Ken, in 1961. He came in blonde and brunette

Barbie also came in blonde or brunette originally

Wow Ken skipped arm and leg day.

The original Barbie

Barbie looks like a redhead in those shots.

Why did they cast a 42 year old middle aged man as Ken?

R96 see r92. Also that isn’t ginger. Allan was ginger. That’s strawberry blonde.

The OG Ken doll was re-released two years ago for his 60th birthday. I almost bought it but didn’t.

Can we get back to discussing Goaling rather than dolls?

I also almost bought the Allan doll on two different occasions over the last 3 years and regret not buying it. You could find him for super cheap on EBay in the box and all but now that the movie is out they’re selling for a lot!!!

It sounds horrendous. Hard pass.

Barbie was always meant to be painted up and slutty

[quote]Wow Ken skipped arm and leg day.

He looks like my brother from another mother, r94.

Most guys back in the 60s weren’t ripped. His body type was the normal body type. Now you see guys all wanting to look ripped but back then it wasn’t like that. It was all about cardio.

Jonathan Groff turned down the role of Allan. THANK GOD.

Are there any gay men in the Barbie-verse?

R105 no. They’re all effeminate but created for Barbie. It’s even acknowledged in the film why Ken is so in love with Barbie despite her not loving him back, because the only reason for his existence is to be her male companion. His sole purpose is to love and adore Barbie. Barbie wasn’t created for Ken, Ken was created for Barbie (literally). Same reason Allan has this non-sexual care and yearning for Ken, he was created to be Ken’s best buddy. Not the other way around so the feelings aren’t mutual.

Ryan Goshling.

Wow, how do you go from Jonathan Groff to Michael Cera in casting. One is gorgeous, the other one... not.

Groff would have been a terrible choice, unless they were going for Allan from 1991 when he was brought back for the first time since 1966. Michael Cera looks just like 1964-1966 Allan. Groff doesn’t.

They had a blonde and brunette Ken for the first few years. In 1969 they released the New Good Looking Ken, who now had a whole new face and was a brunette and he remained brunette until Malibu Barbie, which is when he was made blonde and became the quintessential and standard Ken. Malibu Barbie and Ken are two of their best selling dolls so it makes sense they stuck with that.

I agree completely with your review, OP. I've never been a Gosling fan but he won me over in this.

Also, I know this is going to sound horrid but I can't help how I feel - the fat Barbie annoyed me. I don't want to see a fat Barbie. No one wants to play with fat Barbie.

R112 I didn’t mind her. Barbie has come in all sizes since about 2012. The trans Barbie was interesting though

This is what Ken looked like in 1961. Around 1965/1966 the Ken doll “went away” for a few years and he came back in 1969.

This is what he looked like when he came back in 1969. Gurl had work done!!

He came back new and good looking.

[quote] He came back new and good looking.

At least they were open and honest about it.

[quote] New Good Lookin' Talking Ken

[quote] Bendable Legs!

R108 I think Groff was who they wanted when they were gonna go with the 1991 look of Allan. They ended up going the other direction after he declined and went with Allan’s 1964 look, where he was a skinny ugly nerd. He was discontinued with Midge in 1966 (with both characters moving away as part of the storyline) and both were brought back 25 years later for their big Wedding, and they changed him from the ugly skinny nerd to a lean buff stud just like they did with Ken.

I love that the movie acknowledges Midge in a cameo (Barbies very first friend) and Allan is in the movie (Ken’s very first friend) but I do with they acknowledged Christie and Brad, Barbie and Ken’s new friends. They were both black and groundbreaking at the time. Christie was introduced in 1968 as Barbies new friend and Brad in 1970 as Ken’s new best friend, and Christie’s boyfriend. It was a big deal in 1968 when they made Barbie’s new best friend black after getting rid of Midge in 1966.

Also, Teresa, Barbie’s latina friend (debuted in 1988).

Barbie was always interested in Ken. I remember a record from the early 60’s where they sing about each other and Barbie sang “I’ve got a yen for Ken.”

I don’t understand why the movie acts like Barbie was only interested in Ken as a friend. That just wasn’t true, he was always her boyfriend.

R120 yes, but over the years they’ve had moments where they’re more just friends than boyfriend and girlfriend

My sister had a shit ton of Barbie dolls and I remember her having at least 5 Teresa dolls. Teresa was the Hispanic one.

Vanity Fair also sang their praises of his performance

The Guardian only gave the movie 3/5 stars but also sang endless praises of Ryan, saying he’s the best thing in it.

R123 r124

A lot of Kate McKinnon goes a little way. Ugh.

India Today (Indian newspaper) says Gosling steals the show

“Should be called Ken” 😂😂😂

“Greta Gerwig’s new film is highly entertaining but Ryan Gosling’s Ken is the real star”

Poor Margot. Absolutely outshined by her costar in her own movie

“Robbie is perfectly cast as Barbie — as Helen Mirren’s bone-dry narrator is at pains to point out — but it’s Gosling’s vacuous Ken who steals the show: wide-eyed, nice but dim, and well out in front when it comes to the laughs. His vulnerability is equally strong so, despite the 2-D Barbieland set and characters to match, he feels much closer to 3-D than any of the others. And with sparkling comedy turns from Kate McKinnon, Michael Cera, and a blink-and-you’ll-miss-him cameo from Rob Brydon, it adds up to a boisterously hilarious piece of, dare we say it, Kentertainment.”

I like Margo Robbie, but she doesn't strike me of the Barbie type. I think a younger Pamela Anderson type would be better suited.

Salon.com Journalist Gary M. Kramer actually CRITICIZES AND CONDEMNS Ryan Gosling for “stealing” Margot Robbie’s thunder in her own movie.

R120 because being interested in men romantically isn't feminist, dontchaknow?

I love all the raves over RG stealing the film. Beautiful karma. If I root for this movie to win any awards whatsoever it will be for best actor.

R135 I read he would be entered in Supporting. There was even debate on twitter last night about whether he is Lead or Supporting and the consensus is he’s supporting, Robbie is the only lead as she’s the title character.

R136 He has more of a chance if he is supporting, so good.

I think Cillian Murphy has a better chance than Ryan at Best Actor. Ryan should be nominated in Supporting where he'll have a better chance.

R137 yes. Variety even predicts he will get the nomination in the Supporting category. He isn’t being entered as lead.

If Ryan is entered as lead he isn’t getting nominated. He has a strong shot in Supporting though. And he essentially is supporting. Margot is the lead and focus. Ken drives the plot in the third act but otherwise he is supporting and has a lot less screen time than her too.

She was a member of the signal corps.

Why are some people so bothered by Gosling getting so much praise? Like they hate that Robbie isn’t getting Oscar buzz etc.

This LA writer also predicts Gosling is getting a SA nomination.

There are rumors that Universal and RDJ are already starting an aggressive campaign to get him in the Best Supporting Actor category, so we will see.

I know Apple is pushing heavy for both Robert De Niro and Jesse Plemmons to also be in the same category for that Fields movie too. It’s gonna be a tight category.

We'll seeeeee!

Is there a gender fluid Barbie. Not trans, but gender fluid where you can't really tell if it's "Bob" or "Barbie"?

R147 no. The trans Barbie is presented as just a woman like the other Barbies. No gender fluid anyone.

Barbie was giving lesbian vibes the whole time but they didn't actually address it. It felt like a movie trying too hard to be for the girls and the gays but wound up caving to the same heteronormativity it claims to shy away from. Wtf was America even in this movie for with that husband of hers? Trash. It was pretty but too heavy-handed for my taste.

The faggotry in this movie without any actual payoff was such a miss. Mattel and GG too chickenshit to go for the actual gay lust storyline because of Chinese box office profit.

R151 = Matt Damon trying to get people to switch to Oppenheimer.

Ken was definitely Barbie's boyfriend at my house. They even bumped their plastic horizontally a time or two. But then along came Barbie's roommate Monroe (named after the Too Close for Comfort character) a butch barbie with a homemade spikey silver hairdo. Monroe was jealous of Ken and tried to run him off. Barbie was oblivious.

Barbie would be oblivious.

R151 no. It would not make sense for them to be gay unless Mattel created a gay Barbie. All the Barbie’s and Ken’s personalities and thoughts are based on what role they were given when created. President Barbie is the President and a leader. Doctor Barbie is a Doctor who is obsessed with being a Doctor. Margot is “stereotypical” Barbie, aka just a pretty and glamorous Barbie you dress up etc. she isn’t a career oriented Barbie etc. because that’s how she was created by Mattel. All she thinks about is partying, lounging, slumber parties etc. All the Ken’s role is to be companions to the Barbies. Because that’s how they were created to be.

When Mattel creates a gay Ken who is in love with men and Barbie’s bestie, that will be his role.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, OP, but it's kind of amazing that you don't know the plural forms of the names Barbie and Ken are "Barbies" and "Kens," not "Barbie's" and "Ken's." I mean, come now.

Michael Cera was fantastic in the part. I can't imagine why they would go from one to the other unless they were gonna try to gay up Allan. Groff pings from space. Cera is a better actor aside from it but he was also acting in the same world as Gosling. They totally got what they should be playing.

Cera recently nailed what Allan’s role is as Kens buddy in an interview but I can’t find it now.

R156 Gosling and Cera were the two best parts of the movie. I loved McKinnon also.

I expect Gosling is gonna get an Oscar nomination

Cera looks like Archie Andrews to me, and I never heard of this Allan barbie.

R160 google is your friend. Allan was the first friend ever created for Ken in 1964.

Michael Cera nails it about Allan. He’s sort of obsessed with Ken but not in love with him. And that’s right. The movie depicts the dolls as just fulfilling the role they were created to play and Allan was created to be Kens buddy.

R160

When the Academy Awards were inaugurated I would wager they never imagined an actor might be nominated for playing a child's doll with plastic hair and only the faintest hint of a mons pubis.

The academy rarely nominates comedic performances. His would be one of the few to be nominated if he gets in, an inspired nomination for sure.

Did Skipper appear in the movie?

R166 = Matt Gaetz.

Yes d166, and it’s the bizarre “Growing Up Skipper.”

And she’s black. Lol

R166 no. She is mentioned once though by the Mattel CEO.

Typo meant r166 ^^^

Wrong. She’s in it.

I don’t count that as the real Skipper. That doll wasn’t black

She’s mentioned by Will Ferrell

How about Oreo Barbie, Cracker Barbie, Pregnant Barbie, Tattoo Barbie, and Cockring Magic Ken. Are any of them in the movie?

R173 the latter makes a cameo. He’s an outcast in the “weird house” owned by Weird Barbie played by Kate McKinnon. The outcasts aka those that were discontinued fast and/or controversial tend to hang out there, or so we find out toward the end of the movie. You see him for like 3 seconds.

The best male character in the Barbie world was the Derek character, introduced in 1985 and discontinued around 1987. They created a new mold to use for his face, unlike most of their other dolls where they will use an old mold for a new character. His face was only for him, and he was a cutie. He was created for the Barbie and the Rockers line. In 1987 there was a Primetime tv special which was supposed to be the pilot for a daily syndicated series but negotiations fell through between Mattel and DIC. After that the Rockers thing ended and Derek was never seen again.

There was a whole storyline with the dolls and all. My cousin had that set of dolls and I used to steal Derek and hide him and she would come find him. I eventually broke his head off so neither of us could have him. That doll is pricey now

Old Barbie and the Rockers commercial from 1985

No, just in the audience.

I never knew any of that, R175! Thank you, that was interesting to learn.

I thought the movie was absolute trash except for Gosling OP, I’m inclined to agree. Greta Gerwig is a hack - “inspired by Jacques Demy” my ass.

Of course Ryan Gosling would only be considered for supporting nominations. It's not a lead role.

He'll get a GG nom and at least a few others. An Oscar nom would be a long shot but it depends on the field. He won't win but this performance deserves a nomination.

He's not really handsome is he? He has something, he has "IT" but not classic looks.

I know! How have millions not seen that Ryan is plain at best? Basically jolie laide. Weird body. Homely punchable face. The mind boggles.

It's the close-set eyes. I am telling you. But he has some decent angles.

What you fail to even consider is that non "classical looks" men can be handsome, with no qualifications necessary.

It's great to see on DL the guys who complain vigorously when a picture of a twink is posted. The " I only like real men" trolls are discussing the various iterations of Barbie. Superb.

R178 how do you credit a doll you didn’t know about as your first crush?

Gosling isn’t that good looking. He had work done back in the 00s. He was told he needed a nose job if he ever wanted a leading man career.

I agree that, while Gosling is extremely attractive and definitely has "it," his face is not classically good looking, which is why I was a bit surprised to hear that he was cast as Ken. But maybe that was intentional, and maybe the director and producers felt wisely that Gosling's acting talent was ultimately more important.

He looks too old to be Ken. Like he looks old in all his scenes.

Gosling will get a Golden Globe and Critics Choice nomination but he isn’t getting in at the Oscars. MAYBE SAG because that is all about peers. But idk.

The BSA race this year will be tight and almost everyone predicts RDJ has it in the bag for his performance in Oppenheimer. Almost everyone says Robert De Niro is a guaranteed nomination for that Fields movie. And a lot of other movies come out later this year.

The Oscars rarely acknowledge comedic performances these days. They used to a lot more in the golden age. Also, that big music number and dance scene in the third act is too goofy. That alone takes away from the rest of his phenomenal work in the movie.

R190, I’m bookmarking this take for Oscar nominations time. Gosling will absolutely get nominated and he could actually be in win territory. His performance is perfect and he steals the whole film.

The Academy has been more open to nominating comedic performances ad of late. Most recently, they went with Maria Bakalova in a gonzo performance in a “Borat” sequel (and she was probably second place in voting that year - many thought she could win).

Your entire post seems like it was written in 2002.

R191 Wow. One nomination out of 20 acting nominations was comedic? And you’re talking shit? Her nomination came during Covid also. Most of the nominations that year were for streaming movies that never got to go to theatres.

I saw the movie yesterday. It’s completely Margot’s movie. Gosling is just annoying.

R193 you didn’t watch the movie.

Burka Barbie goes to Florida

He is very good but he does not "steal the whole film." Robbie is perfect in her role, and only spends about 15% of it in scenes with Gosling. He's very much a supporting part, most of the film takes place without him in it. He is great in the parts he is in, and his performance is a notch above Robbie's. It's an award-worthy supporting performance in a film where the lead was also very good, but probably not award-worthy. Nobody stole anything and they both deserve credit for their parts.

R196 lmao sure

Since this is a female empowerment film, he would make the perfect Ken for those who picture him as gay, fey, and emasculated.

R198 no. Please already.

Because Barbie is an auteur female empowerment film Gosling is perfect for the part. With his track record of statements, his indie charm and because women universally love him. The only politically better suited guy would be Mark Ruffalo, who is not an option.

Gosling is starting to look (even) strange(r) as he ages. In one of those photos, he looks like a blond Jay Leno

Gosling needs to just allow himself to age because fillers and light surgeries to tighten his face are doing him no favors.

Also, going lighter than your actual hair color exacerbates the tired, aged look.

[Quote]how do you credit a doll you didn’t know about as your first crush?

I probably didn't word it very well. We had a Derek (and some of the Rockers) when we were kids, but I didn't know any of his background story.

R204 oh, my apologies.

Yes, Derek was a part of the Rockers set in 1985 and 1986. In 1987 he’s in the animated special and that’s the last of him. In 1985 the group was Barbie, two other girls and Derek. There was a whole storyline with the dolls Mattel created in those booklets they used to have for Barbie. In 1986, A year after Barbie & The Rockers become big, Ken joins the band. The story is he grew very jealous of Derek and Barbie’s relationship and being on tour together so one day he picked up a guitar and learned how to play it and then joined the band to be on tour with them.

Here is a background story created at the time by Mattel lol.

“Derek was never a true friend of Ken's, but rather a contrahent. This was a guy probably that accompanied Barbie as a member of The Rockers. Ken was so jealous of him, that he decided to grab his guitar and go on tour with them the next year!”

Below is the 1986 commercial ad for the dolls, now with Ken as part of the band (as opposed to the 1985 commercial upthread).

[Quote] Can we get back to discussing Goaling rather than dolls?

They're one and the same

Omg love the dance scene!

What’s so great about Gosling’s performance that he deserves an Oscar nomination? Nobody has really explained it. If people think it’s one of the best performances of the year, or the best, in the supporting category, it must really be brilliant.

R207 The “dancing” sucks and the movie looks stupid. Ryan Gosling looks like 50 year old Leslie Neilson.

Zac Efron should have played Ken. Gosling’s face is a long asymmetrical mess.

R208 doing a really good job of comedically portraying what the film needs. It's a female empowerment film where patriarchy is a main theme. He had fun with it but also added what the movie needed. I think he will get an Oscar nomination. He wont win but he could get an Oscar nomination.

R210 he’s too short. He’s like 5’7. And have you seen what he looks like lately? Lmao

Lmao some people are upset by the casting of Barbie

R208, here are some reasons why Ryan will get nonubated. Ryan steaks the movie.

R120 actually canonically she wasn’t always into him. By 2000 kids were already over Ken again (this happened a lot over the years) and his sales were down a lot again, so Mattel canonically broke up Barbie and Ken in 2004 and stopped making him. Two years later (2006) they brought him back with a new face mold and hip young clothing. He now looked more like a young Brad Pitt and teen again. However Mattel didn’t put Barbie and Ken back together again until 2011.

Yes, Mattel has created canon in the Barbie world. And no, Barbie hasn’t always been into Ken canonically

Golden Globe? Sure, but The Academy routinely shits on comedic performances.

R216 I said the same thing. He isn’t getting in at the Oscars, although I think that would be a very inspired nomination. But they rarely acknowledge comedic performances, especially in a movie like Barbie.

And when Barbie and Ken started dating again in 2011 (canonically) they were released as a set that says “She said yes!” on the box. Ken comes with a lipstick kiss on his cheek. It’s a cute set.

And Mattel released images like this so kids knew Barbie and Ken were dating again. They were also put in modernized bathing suits that pay homage to their original dolls from 1959/1961 when they first came out.

An image from them in 1961. The 2011 set pays homage to the 1961 dolls.

Sorry, nominated

R194, I watched it, but unlike you I wasn’t masturbating as I did so.

The wonderful speech everyone is praising

Ugh, R223. Thank you for warning me that if I go see Barbie, I’ll have to endure America Ferrera 🤮

Eldergays, when and why did we start calling him Ryan Goaling? What is the origin of this meme?

R225, I’ve been coming to DL for 20 years and there is a 100% chance somebody accidentally started a thread referring to Ryan “Goaling” instead of Gosling.

I agree that Gosling’s not getting nominated for an Oscar. He isn’t even on anyone’s radar, and this should be his high water mark in terms of bubbling up to the surface. He hasn’t broken through as of right now, which means he likely never will.

R227 he’s on critics radar. We don’t know who is on the Academy’s radar because it’s July. In December/January we get a better picture of it all.

You guys seem to be forgetting a previous Oscar nomination or win makes it significantly easier to garner subsequent nominations. That’s why actors with multiple nominations tend to have several rather than two.

Ryan already has two nominations, and we know damn well he’ll shake every hand and kiss every baby if he thinks he has a chance to win.

Besides, Barbie is on-track to be over rewarded come nomination time, so Ryan is likely to wide the wave to a Best Supporting Actor nomination…although he’ll lose to RDJ.

RDJ isn't getting universal raves plus he recently said he doesn't give a shit about an Oscar

I'd rather Gosling wins for Barbie which is long overdue, RDJ can be better than he is in Oppenheimer.

The performances in the film, across the board, are excellent. One of the things that wasn’t really picked up in the reviews, nor in this thread, is just how fucking weird it is as a film. I can’t think of any other recent mainstream movie that’s this conceptually unconventional.

It would be easy for the performances to be exaggerated or camp for comic effect, but they’re not - they’re deeply serious, even when the characterisation is often not that deep.

Gosling is a lot of fun it, but Robbie is really great.

R232 lmao please stop. Robbie wasn’t very funny. Barbie was the straight man around a bunch of funny people.

As of right now he is not on a single critic's short list at Goldderby.com, R228.

Poor r234 thinks the only critics are the ones on GoldDerby. Poor thing doesn’t know there are tons more, and how often GD critics get it wrong.

Honey, he isn't on ONE SINGLE ranking at all. THIS IS THE HIGH WATER MARK FOR GOSLING. If he hasn't broken through yet, on even one single critic's shortlist, then he isn't going to.

Someone on that site would at least have him on their list. The fact that no one does strongly suggests that he isn't on anyone's radar.

There is a lot more evidence to suggest that he will not be nommed than there is to suggest that he will.

That’s simply not true, R234. Gosling is listed in several of the “experts” lists (there is not a “critic’s shortlist” on Goldderby. They call critics “experts”).

Also, Goldderby posted this article just yesterday.

Why are you blatantly lying?

[quote]Poor thing doesn’t know there are tons more, and how often GD critics get it wrong.

When is the last time someone was nominated for an Oscar who wasn't on ANYONE'S list on GoldDerby.com, R235?

R238 lmao keep digging that hole. R237 just exposed you.

Where R237?

Tell me the name of the expert/critic. See link.

You're an idiot, R239. He didn't expose anything because he didn't post the expert rankings. I did.

You fucking idiot, R241. You’re looking at the wrong page (Actor). Ryan Gosling is being touted as a SUPPORTING Actor nominee.

Wow John Magaro in Past Lives is getting lots of support. I thought the two Korean leads were better than him but maybe they’re getting buzz too. Very good movie.

He was incredible in The Big Short. Stole the whole movie.

R244 couldn’t disagree with you more. No one stole that movie. It was a true ensemble film. He did nothing worthwhile in that movie. If anything Steve Carell was the standout besides Christian Bale.

R241 actually, yes, you were exposed. You’re a liar (as we all already know). It’s discussed to death upthread he’s supporting, articles are linked saying he’s supporting, but you posted the Lead Actor page on purpose to try to prove a lie not realizing we can switch to Supporting Actor. He’s on 10 out of 16 critics lists.

An article I agree with. Michael Cera’s Allan was awesome.

I love that the article acknowledges Gosling being amazing and then goes on to praise Cera while ignoring Robbie. It’s clear they think Gosling and Cera are the best parts of the movie (like most people). That poster upthread who keeps trying to claim Robbie was better than Gosling is gonna have a seizure.

I just got out of the Landmark on Sunset in WeHo. Ryan Gosling absolutely steals the film. Michael Cera is also very good. I was surprised at how bland and un-glowing Margot Robbie was. In just about every scene, someone outshines her, including the old woman who plays the ghost of Ruth Handler, Barbie’s creator.

Allan is that guy who peaks in his 40s vs Ken is that guy who peaks in High School (according to them) lol. I love watching their interviews. They’re all likable. Robbie is the most plain and the interviews without her are more enjoyable.

R238 don't fucking start with me!

Does Helen Mirren appear?

[quote]Does Helen Mirren appear?

She plays the now-elderly Tressy, the Barbie knock-off whose hair "grew" and could be "styled."

She's the narrator, R250. She does not appear on screen.

R250 she’s the narrator.

Good for Helen, she's finally in a hit!

[quote]Honey, he isn't on ONE SINGLE ranking at all. THIS IS THE HIGH WATER MARK FOR GOSLING. If he hasn't broken through yet, on even one single critic's shortlist, then he isn't going to.

Sweetie, the movie just opened this weekend. Do you have ADD?

Does it feature any contemporary-looking Kens?

R255 meanwhile he’s on 10 lists.

R256 no because those aren’t Mattel dolls.

Isn't July a bit premature to speculate about awards shortlists? It's one thing to call a particular performance worthy of awards because it implies that being worthy of an award and actually being nominated are two different things.

Most of us understand these are competitions and there are many other worthy performances to consider, and that Gosling might not make the cut once every performance of the year has been viewed and assessed. We know that this performance, playing an absurd character based on a toy in a campy comedy with political overtones, is pretty far from the usual fare that Academy voters favor.

But saying in July that a particular performance won't get nominated despite early buzz because it hasn't appeared on anyone's shortlist seems a smidge ridiculous.

[QUOTE] We know that this performance, playing an absurd character based on a toy in a campy comedy with political overtones

Honey, you lifted your long skirt and your MAGA showed. Go away.

Another transformation for Goaling

R260, you are an idiot.

R5 at least it's not as dumb as the Darfur Orphan meme.

[quote]But saying in July that a particular performance won't get nominated despite early buzz because it hasn't appeared on anyone's shortlist seems a smidge ridiculous.

It only seems that way because you are a "smidge" of an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about.

Oh, I'm sorry, y'all. I was wrong. Ryan is shortlisted for an Oscar .... for Supporting Actor.

My bad!

Oh well, I guess it's still an Oscar.

R265 you keep acting like that wasn’t mentioned 50 times by now. Jesus dude.

I’m tired of reading here how comedy performances aren't awarded.

Goldie Hawn - The Fortune Cookie. Lee Marvin - Cat Ballou. Jack Lemmon - Mister Roberts. Marisa Tomei - My Cousin Vinnie. Judy Holliday - Born Yesterday. Richard Dreyfuss - The Goodbye Girl. James Stewart - The Philadelphia Story. Clark Gable and Claudette Colbert - It Happened One Night. Maggie Smith - California Suite. John Gielgud - Arthur. Walter Matthau - The Fortune Cookie. Whoopi Goldberg - Ghost. Jack Palance - City Slickers. Dianne Wiest - Bullets Over Broadway. Cuba Gooding, Jr. - Jerry McGuire. George Burns - The Sunshine Boys. Kevin Kline - A Fish Called Wanda. Alan Alda - Little Miss Sunshine.

There are many more.

R267 that number is tiny compared to the amount of drama performances. So STFU stupid.

I feel RG will get a nod just to cram someone from the movie into the Oscars. But I think other than production design/cinematography/costume design it will be the only nod. Mayybe Gerwig for director if they don't have any other better female directors to nominate.

R269 no one predicts it getting tons of nominations. No one is saying this is some huge Oscar contender. It isn’t. They’re saying HE should be nominated

R173 the cameo from Earring Magic Ken and the feminist speech everyone is praising

I never said otherwise, R270, just made my own observations, though I do think it will get a few nods on the design awards.

Please, I didn't even read the whole thread. I was just trolling you dorks who are obsessing over the incredibly bland Ryan Gosling. I bet his breath smells like curdled milk!

I still don't think he will get nommed. The movie and the performance actually aren't that good, sadly. I was hyped about it, but when I finally downloaded it, it was a disappointment.

R273 why do you keep switching accounts to say different things? You didn’t even go see it. Reading what others say on social media and Reddit isn’t watching the movie

I loved this scene! Wish whoever uploaded this didn’t have the slots shit though but it’s a fun scene.

R225 When someone typed a instead of s because they’re next to each other on the keyboard, o gayling.

The Barbies seemed much happier when the Kens were in charge.

Ryan's race for Oscar came to an abrupt halt when announced the wrong winner for Best Picture. The Academy will never forgive him for laughing at their darkest hour.

WTF were they thinking when they offered the job to these guys:

[quote]Allison Jones, a casting director for the “Barbie” movie, told Vanity Fair recently that a few beloved celebs narrowly missed playing Kens in Greta Gerwig’s box office smash.

[quote]Jones said that “Saturday Night Live” star Bowen Yang, “Schitt’s Creek” alum Dan Levy and “Dear Evan Hansen” actor Ben Platt almost made it into Barbieland as variations on the hunky male doll.

[quote]“They were, I’m not kidding, really bummed they couldn’t do it,” Jones said. (Sic-Ken-ed, you might say.)

[quote]Reading what others say on social media and Reddit isn’t watching the movie

No, but downloading a high quality HDCAM torrent is.

Dollface Alert 🥰

Ryan was good enough but I really didn't think it was Oscar worthy. Maybe I expected more considering all the hype.

R282 we know. You’ve told us.

I just now saw the movie. I think it was worth the price of the ticket for the concept and the production design, also for the performances of Robbie and Gosling -- and also for Gosling's hot-as-fuck body. (I really had no idea he had gotten so ripped for this.) But I didn't like the movie overall because the script is horribly confused, as if the writers didn't even know themselves exactly what point they were trying to make. And, if I may ask, what is supposed to be our takeaway from Robbie's final line in the last scene?

Please - what does "dollface alert" mean?

Or "dollface thread"?

[quote]And, if I may ask, what is supposed to be our takeaway from Robbie's final line in the last scene?

Are you always completely humorless? It was a joke, hun.

It means you're a troll who's new to Datalounge, R285. Go away.

R288 I've been on Datalounge about five years but have never been able to figure out the dollface reference. But thanks for your friendly attitude. Maybe you'll become the first person I ever put on ignore.

[quote]Are you always completely humorless? It was a joke, hun.

I think I'm far from humorless, and anyway, I'm not at all sure that the final line of the movie was meant as a joke. I really don't get that line, and as I said, I don't think the writers of the screenplay themselves fully understood what point they were trying to make.

The final joke refers to Barbie's anatomy. Barbie dolls famously don't have genitalia. As Margot Robbie's Barbie becomes a real woman by the end of the film, presumably she has a vagina for the first time, and therefore needs to see a gynecologist.

You... you needed that spelled out? Are you from Mars or something?

I was confused by the last line also. " Forget it, Ken, it's Chinatown" really didn't seem to fit in with the rest of the film.

R292 watched the Tubi version

Lmao this clip of Ryan and Simu on the red carpet is so awkward. They’re posing for the cameras together and Ryan tells Simu not to put his hand on his lower back. I wonder if they got along while filming.

[quote]The final joke refers to Barbie's anatomy. Barbie dolls famously don't have genitalia. As Margot Robbie's Barbie becomes a real woman by the end of the film, presumably she has a vagina for the first time, and therefore needs to see a gynecologist. You... you needed that spelled out? Are you from Mars or something?

If that's what the line meant, then I can't believe the writers decided to end on such a cheap joke after all that super-woke feminist blather in the latter part of the movie. P.S. At the screening I attended, nobody laughed at that line. For that matter, there was very little laughter throughout the movie. In fact, I think I laughed more than anyone else, and I only laughed about three or four times through the whole thing.

Where did you see it?

R296 in his moms basement.

Upthread he said he downloaded a torrent. He must have forgotten he posted that.

R296, if you're addressing me, I saw the movie in midtown Manhattan.

R298 weird, as you said you watched through torrents earlier

Simu looks crushed @ R294

Love the dance scene!! So much fun energy and sparkly and gurly! Lol.

I love Ryans Ken, he’s so cute and sweet and charming and endearing. I feel so bad for him but I don’t know if that’s how I’m supposed to feel. But I do. Barbie is kind of mean to him. I do like that toward the end she apologizes to him for how she treated him and tells him she shouldn’t have made every night girls night, essentially making time for him also. He’s so unhinged in that scene too. It’s funny but crazy lol.

He's no Henry Fonda in The Grapes Of Wrath.

I dont think anyone said he was.

He’s Henry Fonda…but with fillers, a nose job, and an obvious hairpiece.

[quote]Lmao this clip of Ryan and Simu on the red carpet is so awkward. They’re posing for the cameras together and Ryan tells Simu not to put his hand

And then Ryan did it to him.

R305 you see him do it to show him it’s not comfortable. Pay attention dude.

A lot of men don’t like other men putting their hand on the lower back etc. it’s usually what men do to women. It’s a feminine pose.

Barbie was such a cunt to Ken. “I don’t want you here. It’s Barbies Dreamhouse, not Ken’s Dreamhouse”. And “Every night is girls night, forever and ever”. It actually made me understand and root for him when he decided to take over Barbieland, because the Ken’s are treated like trash.

At least at the end Barbie acknowledges she was wrong and gives him an apology. Ken goes full unhinged in the end and has a mental breakdown. Gosling does a phenomenal job. I feel Greta Gerwig is trying to embarrass the Ken character but Gosling always elevates the material. And I like that Barbie finally helps break Ken out of his programming the way the real world and Gloria broke her out of hers. He’s programmed to be all about Barbie, and she helps him realize he needs to be his own person. It’s all done in a goofy way but I liked it.

"Naw, don't touch me there, bro. That's gay. No homo."

The sequel should be Ken does become his own person and Barbie bitches about it for the rest of her life and makes him pay for it. R308

Well Barbie now is living in the real world. Pretty sure Ken stayed behind in Barbieland.

Will Queen Okrah appear in that one, R310?

This movie SUCKS.

^^^We've reached the disaffected 14 year-old level of discourse now.

well for anyone over 12 the movie and its message are hardly revelatory.

and PS R314 welcome to DL!

R315 who cares? You’re so obsessed with hating this movie yet you’ve made numerous threads

well, that's a revelation to me R316 as I haven't made a single thread regarding Barbie, Talk about obsessed . . .

That response only confirmed it r317.

it certainly confirmed how narrow-minded you are

R318 has about 100 posts on this thread alone! She needs to get out more often!

R320 sweetie, I’m always out and about. 😂😂😂 unlike you. Jobless. Unemployable. An offender.

somehow that sounds like a self-description R321

Gosling is sometimes genius. See LARS AND THE REAL GIRL. He deserved an Oscar for BLUE VALENTINE. He's owed.

He was great in Blue Valentine. A movie I watched in theaters twice and own the dvd. But he didn’t deserve to win for it that year. Who won deserved to win.

[Quote] Gosling is sometimes genius. See LARS AND THE REAL GIRL. He deserved an Oscar for BLUE VALENTINE. He's owed.

but for this!

But he's no Gil Peterson OP who seems like he could have been the model for Malibu Ken

R291, Barbie became a "real" woman by the end of the film? How did that happen? When she first arrived in Venice Beach earlier in the film she didn't go, "OMG, Ken! I have a vagina!" Likewise, he didn't discover he had a penis. (The film never directly addresses that ostensibly all of the Kens are eunuchs, though in the dance number, Gosling had what appeared to be a noticeable bulge.) So what do you mean, a "real" woman? So Barbie is trans?

The joke is pretty thin and like most of this film, which people are declaring a feminist manifesto, ironically isn't worth a second thought.

People are really drinking the marketing Kool Aid on this shitshow.

If Barbie becomes a real woman in the end, the sequel will begin with her as a porn actress in Van Nuys.

Feminist manifesto about a woman who doesn't even have a vagina. Or a libido.

Good grief.

R327 because she didn’t develop a vagina just because she showed up to the real world, and you not understanding shows you didn’t even watch the movie despite how much you claim you did. That, or you’re a retard, because it’s not hard to understand.

Ken doesn’t have a penis. Ryan Gosling does. Did you think Gosling suddenly lost his man parts because he is ACTING as Ken? You really are basing Gosling having a penis on whether the character Ken does? Jesus. You need to go to school

[quote] People are really drinking the marketing Kool Aid on this shitshow.

R327, I didn't dislike the movie as much as you apparently did, but I definitely agree with this statement. I'm amazed by the popularity of the movie so far, but I wouldn't be surprised if the box office drops off greatly.

[quote]Because she didn’t develop a vagina just because she showed up to the real world, and you not understanding shows you didn’t even watch the movie despite how much you claim you did. That, or you’re a retard, because it’s not hard to understand.

Okay, then can you please explain to us exaclty why and how Barbie develops a vagina (and a womb, etc.) at the end? Is it just because here creator says that's what's going to happen? Ah, that makes TOTAL sense (not).

P.S. You may have missed it, but the word "retard" is now considered horribly offensive. So please stop using it, bitch.

R332 not r330 but did you watch the film? It’s all very straight forward. I am confused by your confusion. Did you actually watch the movie? Maybe go see it and then get back to us because you’re giving us the impression you didn’t even bother watching it.

I did see the movie, R333. I don't agrees that it's "straightforward" at all, I think it's jumbled and confused, with some very unclear and contradictory messages. And no, I wasn't sure exactly how Barbie transforms into a real woman with a vagina, womb, etc. at the end, although I guess we're supposed to think her creator, Ruth, wills it so? Which is odd if that's the case, because a doll maker (or an author, or whatever) only has control over her fictional creations and lacks the power to make them real human beings.

It's a fantasy film, hun. Stop overthinking it.

R334 you didn’t watch the movie or you’re slow. It was literally straightforward. Barbies believe they solved all equality issues in the real world and all things are equal, Barbie start’s malfunctioning and needs to go to the real world to find her owner to figure out what’s going wrong, Barbie goes to the real world and discovers women aren’t treated as equals there but are treated as lesser than men and in this time Ken discovers the same thing and decides to bring real world rhetoric and ideology back to Barbieland without Barbie, by the time Barbie gets back to Barbieland with her owner Gloria and Gloria’s daughter Ken had already taken over Barbieland. The entire film is Barbie slowly learning what it is actually like to be a woman in the real world vs what she thought it was like. The Barbie’s are now treated as second class citizens by the Ken’s, there to serve them, rub their feet and take care of them while the Ken’s run the show. In this Barbie truly starts to feel what real women feel and gains those human feelings and understandings. By the end she has a full human conscience, even helping Ken snap out of his programming so he can be himself and stop making his entire world be about his girlfriend and “beach”. She then has a moment with Ruth Handler and is made a real woman after Ruth gives her human female memories and visions etc.

It’s literally all right there. What did you not understand? Oh wait, you DID NOT WATCH.

R335 he’s a fucking retard. It’s so sad he refuses to go take some classes to help himself but instead sits on DL all day while living off his mom.

As mentioned by a smart poster above it's become a cute cultural moment at a time when the world is so divided. It's nice we can all share something albeit small for a moment. And the drop-off in box office is merely taking in 26 million on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.

R336, all of that is in there, but there's a LOT more in the movie that I and other people I've spoken with find confusing and unclear. For example, people either love or hate the final line, depending on their very different interpretations of what it means. You say that Barbie "has a moment with Ruth Handler and is made a real woman after Ruth gives her human female memories and visions etc." but it seemed to me that most or all of those memories and visions involved children. So is the message of the movie that the main purpose of a woman is to have children? That would be very regressive, now wouldn't it?

P.S. In response to your insults, I'll point out that YOU are the one who's so "slow" that you don't know the difference between "Barbie's" and "Barbies."

In the 2nd film Barbie will have her tits shaved off and trans to Bob.

R339 no, the issue is you think I’m being mean when I’m being honest, and you know it deep down. You aren’t educated and it shows constantly. I don’t know how you aren’t embarrassed that there are people who know your real identity and see how stupid you truly are.

It’s a film for 13 year olds and you’re confused about something blatantly stated. I’m embarrassed for you. You need to get off the internet and go sign up for some basic classes.

It’s literally stated! And no, not all the visions are of children, however children play a big role in women's lives. They are the ones doing the childbearing. HOWEVER, Ruth is showing her girlhood and youth as well as womanhood to give Barbie a full image and understanding.

Stop it with the insults, R341. Yes, some of the themes of the movie are blatantly stated -- some people would say too blatantly -- in certain scenes. But there are lots of other scenes and moments in it that are jumbled or confused or unclear. I only saw BARBIE two days ago, but since then I've spoken with three other friends who saw it. All of them thought it had some major flaws, and the first thing one of them said was that the movie was too long, which I also agree with.

Plus, of course, I'm not the only one in this thread who has some big problems with the movie. So, again, STOP WITH THE INSULTS.

R342 what scenes are unclear?

Why? Everyone else is. So you're only allowed to overthink it if you consider it a big, feminist manifesto? That's the real nonsense at the heart of this thing.

Where was the Abortion Clinic in Barbieland?

Barbies can’t get pregnant. They don’t have genitalia

(^.^) moreover they don't have a womb

I love that this movie is resonating with so many people, but all the videos floating around of people (mostly gays) opening their first Barbie with that sad Billie Eillish song in the background is getting on my nerves

Just Ken is the best song.

[quote]What scenes are unclear?

I wouldn't say there are entire scenes that are unclear, but it just seemed to me that the messages in the film -- about what women should be, what they should aspire to, what they should want out of life, and also about male-female relationships -- were very jumbled and confused and sometimes self-contradictory. As I noted, a perfect example is the final line, which people seem to either love or hate depending on how they interpret it, and there are several ways to intepret it.

Just saw it.

Gosling was absolutely the best part. And Cera was quite funny.

Liked the soundtrack.

Thought the tone was all over the place. Went from silly/funny to preachy/grating to surreal/fever dream to light Mattel propaganda to a joke about having a vagina.

I don’t really understand what the fuck it was - gave me whiplash - but overall I enjoyed it.

That being said, the big America Ferrara “it’s so impossible to be a woman” speech reminded me of shit my female friends in college wrote for their women’s studies performance art theses. Been there, heard that. But the three teenage girls sitting next to me seemed very moved by it (and by the entire movie). So that’s nice.

[quote]And Cera was quite funny.

Agreed, but he's barely in the movie. I was quite amazed at how small his role was.

Because Allen is a forgotten doll from Barbie’s past. Or Ken’s past. They sort of made it all a joke

It's so funny how triggered conservatives are by this movie.

(^.^) seems like liberals are equally triggered and attack anyone who dares dislike this film!

One of my friends' kids went to the movie, 18 year old kid , his one sentence review was "It's just a lot of feminist crap."

R324 I haven't seen Blue Valentine as it seemed too depressing so cannot comment on the performances, but Colin Firth won that year for "The King's Speech". While he was very good in it, winning also felt like a make-up for him losing the previous year for his career-best performance in "A Single Man".

Y’all seem to be forgetting that not all women have vaginas.

That's a based teenager.

My 13 year old niece just said it was "okay".

Oscar nominee for Best Song.

R356 only to you. He was better in The Kings Speech. His win was a good win and why most don’t mention him when discussing questionable wins.

He was miles ahead in that than Gosling in Blue Valentine. Michelle Williams gave the better performance in BV.

R359 well you weren’t raised right. You’re a grown man lying about this shit on the internet.

I am a woman, and why would I lie? R362

R362 I see nothing far fetched about the post - R359 - in question.

Why can't we see R359's post?

I can believe that older teens wouldn't like this film. Neither the songs nor kitschiness of it would appeal to them.

Every single person I know who has seen it has liked it more than not. Most love it. Most of them are women, the ones who aren't women don't seethe with hatred for "feminism" or dolls, and none of them were disaffected teenagers giving one sentence reviews, so make of that what you will, Datalounge.

[quote]I am a woman, and why would I lie?

Because you want us to hear you roar?

R365 Do you have them on ignore? The post is:

My 13 year old niece just said it was "okay."

—We raised her well.

It has legs. Both Barbie and Oppenheimer did very well on weekend 2

Barbie has already earned over $770 million worldwide in 10 days. It’s joining the billion club.

I remember (I'm old so I start sentences that way) when people used to disparage Hollywood because at parties Hollywood people only talked about "the grosses." Somehow they got the rest of us to do it. At one time all we cared about was our own impression of a movie and whether we liked it or not.

R372 idk how old you are but this has been a thing going back to the 80s, honey. This isn’t new like you’re making it sound.

I don't really have an opinion about Ryan Gosling, but he was hilarious in this movie. So was Michael Cera and Simu Liu. I saw it in a theater last night that was PACKED.

R370, Barbie is Warner's biggest second weekend gross in their history and one of the highest second weekends for a film in general.

R372 similarly people for years have talked about who or what will win the Oscar, not the quality of the performances and films.

The reason for both of those things is that most people love competitions, and some people love them more than anything else.

I like this take on the film.....or at the very least I hope she's right.

I saw it today and agree that Ryan Gosling stole the show in every scene! What great fun!

[quote]At one time all we cared about was our own impression of a movie and whether we liked it or not.

R372, I'm not really sure what you're getting at with your post. Many people have shared their "own impression" of Barbie, throughout this thread, multiple other threads, all across the internet, in real life among friends, and, well, everywhere.

It's a phenomenon. People are talking about it everywhere. No one is holding back.

You seem a bit confused by people, in addition to sharing their "own impression" of the film, also discussing the box office returns. That's because Barbie is currently on track to become the highest grossing film of the summer and probably the entire year.

You're framing this as somehow we've all "gone Hollywood," and we remind you of party-goers of yesteryear encountering "Hollywood people" discussing movie grosses like boring accountants. At least I think that's what you're saying. I'm not really familiar with that experience, personally.

So maybe we do remind you of.... something from your past. But what you're really witnessing is people discussing a popular movie, and the reaction that movie has received from certain (conservative and largely older and male) segments. The movie is popular to a phenomenal degree, so the box office is an interesting topic of conversation. That's all. Hope this helps.

America Ferrera needs a new agent. Surprised to see she is actually the third lead but doesn't get anywhere near third lead billing , and no "And America Ferrera" or "With America Ferrera" either.

Ferrara has a sizable role, but calling her the third lead feels like a bit of a stretch. She probably does have the third most important role, but the drop-off between Gosling's role and hers is sizable.

At least on IMDb, Ferrara's low placement in the billing is mostly because the film credits every version of Barbie, then every version of Ken, then Michael Cera, then Ferrara. It's really more like she's fourth billed instead of twentieth. Helen Mirren gets the "with" credit while Will Ferrell gets the "and" credit, and that seems appropriate for both.

There was no other lead besides Margot. Everyone else is supporting. Stereotypical Barbie is the only lead.

Barbie is overshadowed by Ken.

R381, just to belabor the point one last time: from the leaked screeners online, Ferrara is third billed in the opening credits. Kate McKinnon is next, then Michael Cera, Ariana Greenblatt (the teen daughter), Issa Rae, Rhea Perlman, then Mirren and Ferrell get the with/and credits.

None of the other Barbies or Kens earn separate billing, even Simu Liu, which means he’s the one who needs a new agent.

[Quote] America Ferrera needs a new agent. Surprised to see she is actually the third lead but doesn't get anywhere near third lead billing , and no "And America Ferrera" or "With America Ferrera" either.

Well, her agent helped get her this gig. What has she done since Ugly, Betty?

I keep trying to get them to make "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 3", but no one really seems to be interested.

She was the lead on an NBC comedy for at least six years.

Ryan has gorgeous nipples

[Quote]America Ferrera needs a new agent. Surprised to see she is actually the third lead but doesn't get anywhere near third lead billing , and no "And America Ferrera" or "With America Ferrera" either.

they didn't want to scare away customers

Margot deserves the golden Globe

R388, it was ABC.

High school students are now performing "I'm Just Ken." Students are at Kristen Chenoweth's Broadway Camp.

Performance below.