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Huh? He's GAY?!!!!: Gay Rumors That Actually Surprised You

Years ago some posters here claimed that Yasser Arafat was gay and died from AIDS

That one genuinely surprised me

by Anonymousreply 600September 22, 2023 5:16 PM

It came out when he died, but Sherman Hemsley being gay, having a long term Boyfriend, and doing crack and having an LSD lab shocked me.

by Anonymousreply 1July 18, 2023 4:28 AM

I'd heard Sherman was gay, never heard about the crack and LSD!

by Anonymousreply 2July 18, 2023 5:21 AM

Arafat didn't die of AIDS, he died of another disease the doctors were very coy to name directly because it's usually precipited (among others) by alcoholism, and Arafat, being a Muslim, would never die of it, and could not have been dying of it, so it was kept under embargo, a veil of mystery, which of course caused even more speculation, opening the door to all sorts of conspiracy theories, AIDS being one of the most prevalent. Arafat died of cirrhosis, which can only be caused by viral hepatitis, and that must have been the case for him, but since in the mind of the people cirrhosis equals alcoholism, being honest about it would have been a convoluted process navigating all the inferences.

I'm French and there was a joke about how Arrafat died. If you remember he was hospitalized in France and at the end he kept drifting in and out of consciousness. So, according to the joke, at one point Arafat regains consciousness, sees a man in his room, and asks who he is: "I'm doctor Israel, I'm in charge of your health care". Upon learning this, Arafat loses consciousness again. Then somewhat later Arafat comes around again and asks "where am I?" "you're in Villejuif" (Jewishtown, where you have one of France's biggest hospital, the one where Kylie Minogue was treated for her breast cancer BTW). Well, you guessed it, learning this, Arafat immediately loses consciousness again.

And finally, a little while later, Arafat wakes up again, sees many people in the room in quite a frenzy, and weary of asking any sort of question that might trigger him to the point of losing consciousness again he goes for the most trivial question he can think of: "how's the weather out there?" and all the people turn to him and say "maussade" (dull/gloomy but you pronounce it /Mossad/) and upon hearing this he dies instantly.

by Anonymousreply 3July 18, 2023 6:49 AM

Edit: "which can ONLY be caused by hepatitis" was actually "which can ALSO be caused".

by Anonymousreply 4July 18, 2023 6:52 AM

R3, You sound very sure of yourself. What makes you so, and moreover why think that cirrhosis of the liver would be to Muslims a worse diagnosis than AIDS?

by Anonymousreply 5July 18, 2023 6:59 AM

There were rumors (confirmed?) that Richard Pryor was bisexual; I can’t see him being with other men though.

by Anonymousreply 6July 18, 2023 7:10 AM

Sammy Davis, Jr. blowing a porn star's pimp/husband.

Bruce Willis and Aaron Carter.

by Anonymousreply 7July 18, 2023 7:16 AM

Years ago, someone posted here about having seen Robert Mitchum at a gay bar. It's the only such reference I've ever seen. I was stunned. Robert Mitchum? Really?

by Anonymousreply 8July 18, 2023 7:30 AM

Huw Edwards

by Anonymousreply 9July 18, 2023 7:35 AM

Raymond Burr. I didn’t see that coming.

by Anonymousreply 10July 18, 2023 7:39 AM

Richard Simmons. He seemed to be too busy helping old people sweat to be sucking cock and presenting hole at the Hollywood Bowl.

by Anonymousreply 11July 18, 2023 7:54 AM

“I sucked one dick,” he said from the stage, drawing his audience back into a scene from his red-light district childhood. “Back in 1952. Sucked Wilbur Harp’s dick. It was beautiful, but I couldn’t deal with it. Had to leave it alone.” The crowd roared. “It was beautiful because Wilbur has the best booty in the world. Now I’m saying booty to be nice. I’m talking about ass-hole. Wilbur had some good ass-hole. And Wilbur would give it up so good and put his thighs against your waist. That would make you come quick.” With that confession, Pryor became perhaps the first major Hollywood celebrity to talk graphically about his own positive experience of gay sex – and certainly the first to do so in front of tens of thousands of people."

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by Anonymousreply 12July 18, 2023 8:00 AM

^^Wilbur was gay???????? Guess that explains him trying to milk me all the time even though I’m not a cow, just a horse.

by Anonymousreply 13July 18, 2023 8:04 AM

It was common knowledge that Arafat was gay. The Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci called him an old queen decades ago.

by Anonymousreply 14July 18, 2023 8:05 AM

Arafat wore the tea towel on his head so he could wipe away semen and santorum quickly.

by Anonymousreply 15July 18, 2023 8:29 AM

[quote] Bruce Willis and Aaron Carter.

When a teenage Aaron Carter emancipated himself from his parents he had to provide the court with a list of his assets. Listed were over one million dollars worth of gifts from Bruce Willis/

by Anonymousreply 16July 18, 2023 9:09 AM

At various times (not just Datalounge) I've heard both John Goodman and Ed O'Neill rumored to be gay. I still can't really see either one but the rumors are there

by Anonymousreply 17July 18, 2023 9:29 AM

Chicago mayor Harold Washington…

by Anonymousreply 18July 18, 2023 10:27 AM

Dag Hammarskjold, UN Secretary General

by Anonymousreply 19July 18, 2023 11:42 AM

Quincy Jones said Marlon Brando fucked Richard Pryor!

That one surprised me

by Anonymousreply 20July 18, 2023 6:08 PM

Quincy also said that Marlon and James Baldwin were an item!

by Anonymousreply 21July 18, 2023 7:00 PM

You're surprised that Yasser Arafat was gay? That gurl pinged like a flying saucer!

by Anonymousreply 22July 18, 2023 7:04 PM

Is Hanan Ashrawi a lesbo?

by Anonymousreply 23July 18, 2023 7:27 PM

Earl Holliman. Never had a clue.

by Anonymousreply 24July 18, 2023 7:36 PM

I always thought Meredith Baxter Birney and Kelly McGillis were surprising - I don't know why.

by Anonymousreply 25July 18, 2023 7:39 PM

John Amos and then-twink soap start John-Paul Lavosier.

Damn, Damn, DAMN!

by Anonymousreply 26July 18, 2023 7:40 PM

I'm trying to figure out the point of this thread.

"Rumors that surprised" us, instead of "revelations that surprised" us?

Or "rumors that surprised us by turning out to be true"?


by Anonymousreply 27July 18, 2023 7:42 PM

Michael Nader - Dex Dexter in Dynasty was HIV positive.

by Anonymousreply 28July 18, 2023 7:50 PM

Meredith Baxter. I should have sen it coming, since with every show after "Bridget loves Bernie" she just looked butcher and butcher--but my gaydar was completely fooled by her marriage to David Birney.

by Anonymousreply 29July 18, 2023 7:54 PM

Garth Brooks

by Anonymousreply 30July 18, 2023 8:00 PM

Leo and Lukas

by Anonymousreply 31July 18, 2023 8:03 PM

Antonio Bandaras

by Anonymousreply 32July 18, 2023 8:13 PM

J. Edgar Hoover

by Anonymousreply 33July 18, 2023 8:14 PM

J. Edna was obvious

by Anonymousreply 34July 18, 2023 8:19 PM

Ru Paul

by Anonymousreply 35July 18, 2023 8:19 PM

Andrea Bocelli, the blind opera singer

by Anonymousreply 36July 18, 2023 8:24 PM

Vin Diesel

by Anonymousreply 37July 18, 2023 8:30 PM

Malcom Forbes

by Anonymousreply 38July 18, 2023 8:36 PM

Jeremy Renner

by Anonymousreply 39July 18, 2023 8:40 PM

Dan Wootton

by Anonymousreply 40July 18, 2023 8:54 PM

The fact that Ellliot Gould is not gay.

by Anonymousreply 41July 18, 2023 8:59 PM


by Anonymousreply 42July 18, 2023 9:01 PM

I've reported before that my husband and I saw DL Fave MAGAt Scott Baio at a gay bar, J.R.'s, here in Dallas in 1995.

He was cruising. Zero women in the bar. He knew where he was.

by Anonymousreply 43July 18, 2023 9:02 PM

Dan Travanty

by Anonymousreply 44July 18, 2023 9:07 PM

Ben Affleck

by Anonymousreply 45July 18, 2023 9:39 PM

Steve McQueen

by Anonymousreply 46July 18, 2023 9:47 PM

R43, supposedly Tom Cotton goes to JR's as well

by Anonymousreply 47July 18, 2023 9:49 PM

Spencer Tracy

by Anonymousreply 48July 18, 2023 9:52 PM

Arafat was fug, he should have fucked off.

by Anonymousreply 49July 18, 2023 9:56 PM

R17, I've worked with them both, and I can confirm that while John Goodman is gay, Ed O'Neill is NOT gay.

by Anonymousreply 50July 18, 2023 10:04 PM

I was shocked when I heard Laurence Olivier had a longterm affair with Danny Kaye!

How did that start?

by Anonymousreply 51July 18, 2023 10:35 PM

John Goodman gay?? I don't think so. He adores my company!

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by Anonymousreply 52July 18, 2023 10:50 PM

George Clooney

by Anonymousreply 53July 18, 2023 10:51 PM

The rumor about Seann William Scott being kept by Peter Thiel

by Anonymousreply 54July 18, 2023 11:21 PM

Lol, R23, she certainly seems it.

by Anonymousreply 55July 18, 2023 11:37 PM

Grandpa Walton

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by Anonymousreply 56July 18, 2023 11:54 PM

Danny Kaye was also lovers with Nick Long Jr.

by Anonymousreply 57July 19, 2023 12:29 AM

The Elvis/Nick Adams rumors

by Anonymousreply 58July 19, 2023 12:30 AM

Zeb Walton was a Fag and I'm the dame who can prove it.

by Anonymousreply 59July 19, 2023 12:55 AM

Fred Rutherford from Leave it to Beaver

by Anonymousreply 60July 19, 2023 1:41 AM

Abe Lincoln. Heard it 40 years ago when I was in college.

by Anonymousreply 61July 19, 2023 1:59 AM

Sherman Hemsley

by Anonymousreply 62July 19, 2023 2:27 AM

Howard Stern

by Anonymousreply 63July 19, 2023 2:31 AM

Gordon Thompson - Adam Carrington on Dynasty.

by Anonymousreply 64July 19, 2023 2:32 AM


by Anonymousreply 65July 19, 2023 2:33 AM

r63 Howard sure looks comfortable here

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by Anonymousreply 66July 19, 2023 2:34 AM

The rumors that surprised me the most were the ones I've heard about Gene Hackman.

by Anonymousreply 67July 19, 2023 2:36 AM

I recently was told by someone I deem reliable about a hookup with country star Clint Black years ago.

by Anonymousreply 68July 19, 2023 3:19 AM

"Big Red" claimed to have hooked up with both Randy Travis and Garth Brooks

by Anonymousreply 69July 19, 2023 3:25 AM

[quote] "Big Red" claimed to have hooked up with both Randy Travis and Garth Brooks

That slut!

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by Anonymousreply 70July 19, 2023 3:39 AM

Paul Winfield and Barry Manilow. LL Cool J, too.

by Anonymousreply 71July 19, 2023 3:59 AM

You were surprised by Barry Manilow?

by Anonymousreply 72July 19, 2023 4:05 AM

Dorothy's friend Jean

by Anonymousreply 73July 19, 2023 5:38 AM

J. August Richards on “Angel.”

I’m also surprised that Alexis Denisof has had NO gay rumors.

by Anonymousreply 74July 19, 2023 5:48 AM

J. August Richards is gay?

by Anonymousreply 75July 19, 2023 5:56 AM

R75, yep, he came out a few years ago. I was shocked. Did not see that coming at all. Never suspected him.

by Anonymousreply 76July 19, 2023 7:20 AM

R51, Dame Joan Plowright has said in interviews that it's certainly possible that Laurence Olivier may have had relationships with men during their marriage.

by Anonymousreply 77July 19, 2023 8:31 AM

That prissy queen who was on Law & Order and Hannibal.

by Anonymousreply 78July 19, 2023 11:31 AM

R28 was Michael Nader related to gay George Nader. When "Confidential" magazine was going to out Rock Hudson, the studio offered George for the expose.

by Anonymousreply 79July 19, 2023 11:44 AM

Kathy Bates and Olivia Newton-John. Well, not together but.

by Anonymousreply 80July 19, 2023 11:52 AM

DL had the scoop that Eric Bana turned down Brad Pitt for sex while filming TROY.

by Anonymousreply 81July 19, 2023 12:00 PM

R67, please expand on your answer. That one is shocking to me.

by Anonymousreply 82July 19, 2023 12:07 PM

Datalounge had the receipts on Edgar Ramirez.

by Anonymousreply 83July 19, 2023 12:10 PM

I doubt Hackman. He has only been linked to other men in his early days when friends with other actors like Dustin Hoffman.

by Anonymousreply 84July 19, 2023 12:13 PM

Howard Stern I still don't buy. I think often it is more surprising when people I just KNOW are gay, are not and I was completely wrong. Like Matthew Broderick. I really believe he is heterosexual now, but I don't think it in my gut (not that my gut matters at all)

by Anonymousreply 85July 19, 2023 12:14 PM

R75 AND in a relationship with a Black dude. THAT really shocked me.

by Anonymousreply 86July 19, 2023 12:16 PM

That rumor about Anthony Hopkins (known sadist) and Tom Cruise and something going on during MI2 (via The infamous A-List)

by Anonymousreply 87July 19, 2023 12:17 PM

If Gene Hackman is gay he certainly seems to have denied himself a self-actualized life, so I highly doubt any rumors allegedly "heard" by outlier r67.

by Anonymousreply 88July 19, 2023 12:18 PM

R87, Wasn't the "A List" way before the "MI" franchise?

by Anonymousreply 89July 19, 2023 12:20 PM

[R87] It's possible there is an updated A-list that circulated years ago. It's also possible Hopkins/Cruise know each other from elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 90July 19, 2023 12:26 PM

[quote]He was cruising. Zero women in the bar. He knew where he was.

Hey, I was doing research for a series called "Johnny loves Chachi!"

by Anonymousreply 91July 19, 2023 12:30 PM

r79, George Nader was Michael's uncle.

by Anonymousreply 92July 19, 2023 12:32 PM

Edmund Gwenn

by Anonymousreply 93July 19, 2023 1:32 PM

James Franciscus.

by Anonymousreply 94July 19, 2023 2:29 PM

Spencer Tracy. Sorry, but I just can't imagine it. Yes, I can believe Hepburn was gay but not Tracy. But why would he want to beard for her if he had nothing to gain? Maybe to help hide his alcoholism, which is something I can believe in more.

by Anonymousreply 95July 19, 2023 2:35 PM

[quote]That prissy queen who was on Law & Order and Hannibal.

Hugh Dancy? I was actually surprised to find out he was straight. Claire Danes doesn't strike me as a beard, at least.

by Anonymousreply 96July 19, 2023 2:42 PM

R94, News to me.

by Anonymousreply 97July 19, 2023 2:57 PM

Robert Mitchum would let guys blow him, but does that make him gay?

by Anonymousreply 98July 19, 2023 2:58 PM

Richard Burton admitting that in his youth he “experimented” with men.

by Anonymousreply 99July 19, 2023 3:00 PM

James Cagney. Supposedly “mentored” a young Audie Murphy when he tried to break into Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 100July 19, 2023 3:30 PM

[quote]That prissy queen who was on Law & Order and Hannibal.

This is who I meant. DL used to have thread after thread about his closetedness.

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by Anonymousreply 101July 19, 2023 4:08 PM

For some reason I believe that Spencer Tracy was deeply closeted, deeply troubled about his deaf son and thought it was his punishment or something, drank himself into a stupor and only then was ready to nibble on uncut cock.

by Anonymousreply 102July 19, 2023 6:38 PM

Samantha Fox

by Anonymousreply 103July 19, 2023 7:07 PM

Not surprised they are gay, but was floored when I learned Holland Taylor and Sarah Paulson were together. Yuck.

by Anonymousreply 104July 19, 2023 7:20 PM

Grandma Walton too.

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by Anonymousreply 105July 19, 2023 7:24 PM

R83 Edgar Ramirez PINGS from outer space.

by Anonymousreply 106July 19, 2023 7:34 PM

[quote]Meredith Baxter. I should have sen it coming, since with every show after "Bridget loves Bernie" she just looked butcher and butcher--but my gaydar was completely fooled by her marriage to David Birney.

Mine too, my jaw dropped when I heard the news about her. She and J. August Richards are the big false negatives my gaydar has failed to pick up the slightest hint about. Most other people I hear about coming out (or who are outed) at least don't really surprise me, even if I didn't have any real prior suspicions about them.

by Anonymousreply 107July 19, 2023 7:41 PM

For R98

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by Anonymousreply 108July 19, 2023 7:52 PM

R79, sooo… Dex and that little tramp’s father used to do more than just go out on rescue missions together. How interesting…

by Anonymousreply 109July 19, 2023 8:23 PM

Both Tracy and Hepburn may have been bi, and had other same-sex relationships, but I still believe that their relationship was 100% real and sexual, because not only did Tracy have nothing to gain from her "bearding" for him (since it was already well known he was married), it would have been career-ending if the affair had been revealed to the public. Someone like Sinatra could fuck around as much as he pleased, because audiences WANTED him to be a bad boy, but Tracy's persona was that of a Catholic family man, and audiences would never have accepted him as anything else.

Tracy and Hepburn kept it so secret for so long because it was all too real.

by Anonymousreply 110July 19, 2023 8:53 PM

What’s Pedro Pascal’s story?

by Anonymousreply 111July 19, 2023 8:55 PM

Winston Churchill hooking up with Ivor Norvello.

by Anonymousreply 112July 19, 2023 8:57 PM

Bob Conrad bottoming for twinks. Which turned out to be true.

by Anonymousreply 113July 19, 2023 9:01 PM

Cukor told our friend Neil that Kate and Tracey were NOT involved sexually and they were bearding for one another. Neil was one of Cukor's boys. He has been telling this story for 40+ years.

by Anonymousreply 114July 19, 2023 9:03 PM

[quote] Tracy and Hepburn kept it so secret for so long because it was all too real.

What are you talking about, everybody knew they were "in a romantic relationship".

by Anonymousreply 115July 19, 2023 9:03 PM

R108, that's a classic!

by Anonymousreply 116July 19, 2023 9:08 PM

I was R72. I don't know why. I guess when I listened to him as a teenager and young woman I just loved his music and I still do.

by Anonymousreply 117July 19, 2023 9:14 PM

R114: "Kate and Tracey were NOT involved sexually and they were bearding for one another."

Why on earth would a man who'd been married for decades need a beard when he already had one at home? And why would a married Hollywood star agree to pretend to be in a secret, extra-marital relationship with a lesbian co-star? None of that makes any sense.

by Anonymousreply 118July 19, 2023 9:19 PM

It was a different time, R118. The studios created narratives to keep the fans hooked and sometimes the fake romantic partners developed a strong rapport. Maybe Hepburn and Tracy had sex once or twice, who knows. Maybe he was bearding for her. She was a dyke and he was a drunk who probably didn't even know what kind of trouble he was getting into, and liked it. What's not to understand?

by Anonymousreply 119July 19, 2023 9:25 PM

George Washington (Lincoln was already mentioned).

by Anonymousreply 120July 19, 2023 9:31 PM

[quote]Richard Burton admitting that in his youth he “experimented” with men.

Well, don't all British lads?

by Anonymousreply 121July 19, 2023 9:31 PM

Sam Heughan who plays Jamie Fraser on Outlander

by Anonymousreply 122July 19, 2023 9:41 PM

Tracy and Hepburn had a brief affair but stayed friends

After Tracy died, the media made it into more than it was because they liked the idea of two legendary stars having a long-term secret affair

Hepburn played along with the narrative because it made her look straight

by Anonymousreply 123July 19, 2023 9:47 PM

R119: "It was a different time"

Yes, exactly. Meaning the absolute LAST thing studios were doing was creating pretend extra-marital affairs when they were already up to their necks in trying to cover up and deny the real ones!

"Maybe Hepburn and Tracy had sex once or twice, who knows."

So, in other words... a real, sexual relationship, like I said.

"Maybe he was bearding for her."

Again, what motivation could he possibly have for doing that? Have you ever known-- or even heard of-- any married person who just suddenly decided to put their career, their marriage, and their reputation in jeopardy to beard for a gay person, without getting anything in return?

by Anonymousreply 124July 19, 2023 9:50 PM

John Goodman was the one that really surprised me.

by Anonymousreply 125July 19, 2023 9:51 PM

Lots of FMDs in this thread

by Anonymousreply 126July 19, 2023 9:52 PM

Spencer Tracy had a much more intimate relationship with Loretta Young than he did with Katharine Hepburn.

Loretta claimed she did not know Spencer was married and when she discovered he was she ended their affair.

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by Anonymousreply 127July 19, 2023 9:57 PM

R123 I'm with you. It's the scenario that makes the most sense.

Hepburn always pretended to be take-no-prisoners honest but she was a star above all and would have done and said anything to remain a star.

by Anonymousreply 128July 19, 2023 10:00 PM

The “FMD” troll really has to stop! It’s not catching on, it’s not clever and we aren’t buying into it. Go post on Tik Tok.

by Anonymousreply 129July 19, 2023 10:03 PM

"Loretta claimed she did not know Spencer was married"

LOL, okay, Loretta. I mean... She lied. A lot. About many, many things.

by Anonymousreply 130July 19, 2023 10:07 PM

[quote]Grandpa Walton

And Grandma Walton (Ellen Corby) was lesbionic.

by Anonymousreply 131July 19, 2023 10:08 PM

For much of their time together Tracy was more like Hepburns pet project, given his condition she was more a nurse and carer to him than anything else.

by Anonymousreply 132July 19, 2023 10:12 PM

Can anyone imagine Katharine Hepburn having sex at any age?

To me, she always seemed asexual.

by Anonymousreply 133July 19, 2023 10:33 PM

I was a big Angel fan and I was also shocked about J. August Richards.

by Anonymousreply 134July 19, 2023 10:37 PM

R111 Despite his evident gayness, I'm pretty sure Pascal will end up doing pathetic beardings so he can be a bankable tv/film star.

by Anonymousreply 135July 19, 2023 10:38 PM

Ed Asner

by Anonymousreply 136July 19, 2023 11:19 PM

Danny Thomas being lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 137July 19, 2023 11:53 PM

R38, Big Clue: FoE. (Elizabeth.) [See: MacDowell, Roddy. See: Clift, Montgomery. See: Jackson, Michael.]

by Anonymousreply 138July 20, 2023 4:09 AM

R138, See: Hudson, Rock. See: Dean, James.

by Anonymousreply 139July 20, 2023 6:43 AM

Reginald Vel Johnson

by Anonymousreply 140July 20, 2023 6:57 AM


That's Sa-sa-sa-sa Samatha FOX!

by Anonymousreply 141July 20, 2023 12:39 PM

Didn't claim to be exhaustive, r139!

by Anonymousreply 142July 20, 2023 2:06 PM

[quote] Can anyone imagine Katharine Hepburn having sex at any age?

To me, she always seemed asexual.

I can. That delicious, insatiable, horny dyke.

by Anonymousreply 143July 21, 2023 1:02 AM

John Paul Lavoisier aka Rex of OLTL and now of DOOL. I never would have guessed. Oh wait he's not out and I'm not sure if he's in. Well talk of him on DL surprised me.

by Anonymousreply 144July 21, 2023 2:23 AM

There's a lot of people I can't picture having sex, but somehow they get it done.

by Anonymousreply 145July 21, 2023 2:31 AM

Julie Andrews and Carol Burnett look like a cute old lesbian couple these days.

by Anonymousreply 146July 21, 2023 2:58 AM

very cute...

by Anonymousreply 147July 25, 2023 11:43 PM

Vince Edwards

by Anonymousreply 148July 25, 2023 11:59 PM

Wasn't Eva Gabor a lesbian who bearded for Merv Griffin?

by Anonymousreply 149July 26, 2023 12:05 AM

Vince Edwards? Wut-wut?

by Anonymousreply 150July 26, 2023 12:06 AM

R99 Richard Burton's bisexuality wasn't just in his youth.

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by Anonymousreply 151July 26, 2023 12:18 AM

R149, According to Zsa Zsa’s daughter, Francesca Hilton, Auntie Eva was a lesbian and one of her lovers was Marlene Dietrich.

by Anonymousreply 152July 26, 2023 12:23 AM

Clint Walker. Or was that in my dream?

by Anonymousreply 153July 26, 2023 12:28 AM

I heard he was sexually involved with guys

by Anonymousreply 154July 26, 2023 12:31 AM

R152. According to Arnold Ziffel Eva was fingerbanged regularly by Ralph the Carpenter in her dressing room on the Green Acres set.

by Anonymousreply 155July 26, 2023 12:40 AM

Arsenio Hall

by Anonymousreply 156July 26, 2023 12:41 AM

Lisa about to hit on Ralph.

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by Anonymousreply 157July 26, 2023 12:50 AM

William Frawley from I Love Lucy

by Anonymousreply 158July 26, 2023 12:54 AM

Harry Andrews

by Anonymousreply 159July 26, 2023 3:00 AM

Was surprised to learn about Harry Andrews, too

by Anonymousreply 160July 26, 2023 3:05 AM

Alec McCowen

by Anonymousreply 161July 26, 2023 4:28 AM

Girth Brooks???

by Anonymousreply 162July 26, 2023 5:03 AM

James Garner. There was a blind item on AGC years ago that said that he had an agreement with his wife that he would continue to have affairs with men on the side.

by Anonymousreply 163July 27, 2023 4:52 PM

R163 / R146 so Victor/Victoria was very tongue in cheek then. Robert Preston pinged too

by Anonymousreply 164July 27, 2023 5:03 PM

The whole closeted/ bearding thing is so creepy and sad to me. Especially that it’s still happening in 2023! What a world.

by Anonymousreply 165July 27, 2023 5:30 PM

So, no missionary position R163? Only on the side?

by Anonymousreply 166July 27, 2023 6:10 PM

That JZ was a big homo and poz allegedly in a BI years ago

by Anonymousreply 167July 27, 2023 6:16 PM

R164 Preston was married to Kay Craig, an actress, for 47 years until his death in 1987. No kids and he rarely talked about his marriage. Where there’s smoke…

by Anonymousreply 168July 27, 2023 6:27 PM

Preston was a womanizer, r168.

by Anonymousreply 169July 27, 2023 6:30 PM

There was a thread a few years back about Edwards being gay. Someone mentioned his crush on John Amos.

by Anonymousreply 170July 27, 2023 11:01 PM

Vince was crushing on John Amos from GOOD TIMES?

by Anonymousreply 171July 27, 2023 11:29 PM

Edwards who?

by Anonymousreply 172July 27, 2023 11:32 PM

R168. Well, he was convincing as highly sexed wolf Harold Hill, too. Maybe he was just a (gasp) good actor. Married for 47 years to a non-pro seems to me to point to a private man rather than someone trying to “perform “ heterosexuality (like Martin-Halliday or the Lunts). Maybe they didn’t have children because acting seemed like a career not best suited to parenting, maybe one or both could not have children, maybe they just didn’t fucking want them.

by Anonymousreply 173July 27, 2023 11:40 PM

[quote]Can anyone imagine Katharine Hepburn having sex at any age? To me, she always seemed asexual.

Like a goddess, chaste and virginal!

by Anonymousreply 174July 28, 2023 12:05 AM

Ernest Thesiger. Just doesn't add up.

by Anonymousreply 175July 28, 2023 12:08 AM

In Arab culture it's quite common for men to be married and "straight" yet have sex with boys.

It goes back to the strict separation of males and females in Muslim societies.

So it would surprise me if Arafat identified as "gay". But most Arab males have sex with other males. It's part of the culture.

by Anonymousreply 176July 28, 2023 12:42 AM

I know I'll get a lot of sh*t thrown at me for suggesting this jock, but I get mixed signals from him on his Postings TO INSTAGRAM! Looking up his Bio., it seems he didn't have a gf in HS or in college! And as late as this posting, he doesn't have one now! He just celebrated is 28th Birthday, is a Poster Boy, in looks and body! and his 'FOLLOWERS' are about 70% women! But here is one reason he might be STRAIGHT! In the comments posted by females, he responded to three of them with 'imojes' of RED HEARTS! cURIOUS, i LOOKED UP THEIR 'profiles',AND ALL THREE HAD PRIVATE ACCOUNTS! Lo, guess what, it showed he was following them DMs? My reasons for gay vibes? He only Posts with Photos of him or with his male teammates (both HS and college!)! Other photos he is with team mates he is 'tight' with (celebrating Birthdays or just get togethers), not a female in sight! But there are several more INCIDENTS where he nsends mixed signals, which can be interpreted, either way! SAM HUBBARD! Your comments will be appreciated!

by Anonymousreply 177July 28, 2023 5:15 PM

[R37] just read an article about him and Paul Walker (Furious?) being at odds with one and another? Could it have been due to questions of sexuality?

by Anonymousreply 178July 28, 2023 5:21 PM

Vin Diesel is a real phony.

by Anonymousreply 179July 28, 2023 5:30 PM

Walker didn't have any business objecting to other people's love lives if what I heard is true, R178. Apparently eau de jailbait clung to him wherever he went.

by Anonymousreply 180July 28, 2023 5:35 PM

Mary Martin - a face made for the theater.

by Anonymousreply 181July 28, 2023 6:09 PM

R6 Those rumors are true. Richard Pryor has publicly or at least revealed to some authors that he did drugs and would suck dick while on it.

by Anonymousreply 182July 28, 2023 6:15 PM

R16 Lucky whore. RIP.

by Anonymousreply 183July 28, 2023 6:17 PM

Earl Holliman

Aaron Rodgers

Rusty Staub

by Anonymousreply 184July 28, 2023 6:25 PM

Franklin Pangborn

by Anonymousreply 185July 28, 2023 6:31 PM

The question of Hepburn and Tracy is a complex one. I am in the middle of a relationship with a straight man- and we have been together for 35 years. Why? Although not sexual it is very real on every other level- emotionally, mentally, etc. How does that happen? Well boys and girls it happens because life is not as clear cut as a Hallmark movie, or a judgmental gay quee. I met my husband when we were just out of college. He was straight then too. We had a deep relationship from the start because have stronger bonds about who we are to each other, and what that means. And when his life with women fell apart he came back to me. We don't have sex. I don't need that from him. But we have a real, loving, fulfilling life together. I was never this happy with a gay man, or he with a woman. That's what I think bonded Hepburn and Tracy. They needed each other, the sex was unimportant. Lots of people won't, can't or don't want to understand that type of relationship. But as with all real relationships it's nobody's business, and the couple doesn't have to explain its makeup to another soul, as long they are happy.

by Anonymousreply 186July 28, 2023 6:41 PM

R186 You call him your husband but there's never been anything physical between you two? Does he call you his "husband"? So many questions about this arrangement, I hope you don't mind explaining a little.

by Anonymousreply 187July 28, 2023 7:29 PM

R186 very interesting and unique. Thanks for sharing.

by Anonymousreply 188July 28, 2023 7:31 PM

[quote]Mary Martin - a face made for the theater.

Actually, she always reminded me of Jean Arthur, who had a very successful movie career and was possibly also lesbionic.

by Anonymousreply 189July 28, 2023 8:47 PM

R186 do u fulfill yourself sexually elsewhere? Does he? Does he bring women back to the house and you bring men?

I like the idea of having a companion but I would need sex

by Anonymousreply 190July 28, 2023 8:53 PM

R189. There were always rumors Martin and Arthur had an affair. There’s a trashy novel that presents a fictional version of it—it’s called “The Princess and the Goblin” (not to be confused with George MacDonald’s wonderful children’s novel of the same title). Martin seems to have gotten around when she was in Hollywood and then cultivated the America’s tomboy sweetheart persona when she shifted back to Broadway, where her considerable talents as an actress and musical star were better served—she was on Kazan’s shortlist for Blanche in Streetcar.

by Anonymousreply 191July 28, 2023 8:55 PM

Rusty Staub had a thing with Matt Dillon back in the 80's.

by Anonymousreply 192July 28, 2023 8:58 PM

[quote]There were always rumors Martin and Arthur had an affair.

Both played Peter Pan on Broadway (in different adaptations). Maybe they bonded over that.

by Anonymousreply 193July 28, 2023 9:00 PM

R193, how? Making each other 'walk the plank'?

by Anonymousreply 194July 28, 2023 9:32 PM

R186 Can it, sister. What a load of malarky.

by Anonymousreply 195July 28, 2023 9:36 PM

R186, I am holding you responsible for the cost of dry cleaning the vomit stain for my out of my lovely raw silk blouse.

Do you have any idea what stomach acid and a sauce Bolognese does to fine embroidery?

by Anonymousreply 196July 28, 2023 9:43 PM

Kate Jackson? Not surprised

by Anonymousreply 197July 28, 2023 9:48 PM

R192 please expand more on Staub and Matt Dillon. I've always suspected MD but I haven't seen receipts other than his non-woman lifestyle.

by Anonymousreply 198July 28, 2023 10:10 PM

Staub and Dillon used to hang out on the dl, but one night made it official when they dined together at Staub's E. 73rd Street rib joint in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 199July 29, 2023 12:29 AM

I'm sure Rusty was just mentoring the lad

by Anonymousreply 200July 29, 2023 12:56 AM

Matt Dillon, who I think is still hot, was getting it on with the unattractive Rusty Staub?

by Anonymousreply 201July 29, 2023 1:02 AM

[quote]Matt Dillon, who I think is still hot, was getting it on with the unattractive Rusty Staub?

I got it on with Rusty Trawler.

by Anonymousreply 202July 29, 2023 8:57 AM

[quote] Does he call you his "husband"?

I didn't think so.

by Anonymousreply 203July 29, 2023 10:56 PM

R176 yeah, the sex with boys is called rape and pedophilia. I think that’s different from being gay and in the closet.

by Anonymousreply 204July 30, 2023 4:08 PM

R186 this is fascinating. We need a thread just to learn about this

by Anonymousreply 205July 30, 2023 4:15 PM

Arafat, one of the ugliest men on the planet ever....piece of human shit too

by Anonymousreply 206July 30, 2023 4:46 PM

Matt Dillon has been mentioned but I thought he was one of Heidi Fleiss' clients back in her heyday.

by Anonymousreply 207July 30, 2023 4:57 PM

^ Matt Dillon is known to be a huge exhibitionist and loves to show off his cock. Those types usually get off on anyone seeing them erect which I find hot as fuck.,

by Anonymousreply 208July 30, 2023 5:49 PM

R6 Richard Pryor's own wifed confirmed his affair he had with Marlon Brando.

That Richard Pryor article was absolutely fascinating. He sounds like he might have been tortued by is sexuality in the same way that Whitney Houston was and driven to drugs.

But I was shocked that not only was Marlon Brando involved with James Baldwin and Richard Pryor but Marvin Gaye as well. I never pictured Marvin Gaye.

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by Anonymousreply 209July 30, 2023 5:56 PM

Marlon liked the black dick

by Anonymousreply 210July 30, 2023 6:10 PM

I am an attractive black man and I wish I could find someone who looked like Marlon Brando in his prime to suck on my cock and let me take pictures.

by Anonymousreply 211July 30, 2023 6:38 PM

R208, Cameron Diaz once said in an interview that Matt Dillon hates condoms and will only fuck bareback.

by Anonymousreply 212July 30, 2023 6:38 PM

Don't get me confused with that f+g Matt Dillon.

by Anonymousreply 213July 30, 2023 6:50 PM

R101 I was gna say there is nothing prissy or queenie about Hugh Dancy. He is just very British which may read as femme to low rent Americans.

by Anonymousreply 214July 30, 2023 9:21 PM

[R201] looked up his bio and he is in a relationship with some Italian actress/dancer since 2014! He's 59 and he was 20 years older than MD! (Rusty Staub) When did they get together?

by Anonymousreply 215July 31, 2023 10:12 PM

Elijah Wood and Martin Short seem so gay to me.

by Anonymousreply 216July 31, 2023 11:07 PM

I used to think the same thing R214 until I remember reading that him and old man daddy author, screenwriter Michael Cunningham were making out ferociously at some after party. Granted Hugh was probably drunk and Michael may have been bit drunk and lecherous too and took his chance. But still, I know this straight actor types, I went to Tisch and was surrounded by them. They'll do anything to experience something and see how it makes them feel - just in case they have to do it on screen. Hell that's how I started smoking. A good number of them made out with a guy, some it went further.

by Anonymousreply 217August 1, 2023 6:29 AM

Are you suggesting that Elijah Wood isn't gay,216?

by Anonymousreply 218August 1, 2023 7:36 AM

R209, you mean that Marvin Gaye was… GAY???? Where have I been?

by Anonymousreply 219August 8, 2023 4:11 AM

Wayne Brady

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by Anonymousreply 220August 8, 2023 4:17 AM

Wayne Brady always pinged a bit to me. Not that surprised. Too bad he's never acted on his same sex attractions.

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by Anonymousreply 221August 8, 2023 6:10 AM

[quote]Wayne Brady Comes Out as Pansexual

"Pansexual" sounds like it has something to do with being overly fond of cookware.

by Anonymousreply 222August 8, 2023 7:48 AM

Or maybe it means being overly fond of Mary Martin in male drag as Peter Pan.

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by Anonymousreply 223August 8, 2023 8:07 AM

Could be he's got a thing for goat's feet and flute playing...

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by Anonymousreply 224August 8, 2023 7:00 PM

[quote] I never pictured Marvin Gaye.

Then again, who would turn down Marlon?

by Anonymousreply 225August 8, 2023 7:10 PM

[quote] I am an attractive black man and I wish I could find someone who looked like Marlon Brando in his prime to suck on my cock and let me take pictures.

Looks like you didn't have to be attractive to get Marlon's lips around your cock if you were Black.

by Anonymousreply 226August 8, 2023 7:13 PM

Dick Butkus

by Anonymousreply 227August 8, 2023 7:16 PM

[quote]Then again, who would turn down Marlon?

That would depend on whether you're talking about 1950s Marlon or 1980s Marlon.

by Anonymousreply 228August 8, 2023 7:29 PM

A DLer claimed to have hooked up with Bubba Smith

That surprised me

by Anonymousreply 229August 8, 2023 7:44 PM

ACtually, r193, I always heard that Martin and Arthur (both with male first names as last names!) were in a relationship and had a bet who would play Peter Pan first. Arthur won. Jean Arthur wass famous for her stage fright, which kept her off the stage most of the time ... except for Peter Pan.

by Anonymousreply 230August 8, 2023 8:09 PM

[quote] I always heard that Martin and Arthur were in a relationship

Wait, where did you hear this??

by Anonymousreply 231August 8, 2023 10:02 PM

Relax, Janet, it was before Mary met you.

by Anonymousreply 232August 8, 2023 11:15 PM

Gay, r111

by Anonymousreply 233August 8, 2023 11:47 PM

R113- That really surprised me as well, but not as much as reading that Paul Newman was gay/bi. That shocked me.

by Anonymousreply 234August 8, 2023 11:55 PM

R234 Paul Newman apparently had affairs with several young actors including Brandon DeWilde, which was on and off for a few years.

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by Anonymousreply 235August 9, 2023 12:03 AM

R235- He kept his life so private that I truly would have never had a clue if it weren't for DL.

by Anonymousreply 236August 9, 2023 12:12 AM

R235 Don't forget the Paul Newman / Sam Mineo connection.

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by Anonymousreply 237August 9, 2023 12:17 AM

R237- Rumor is that he also had a fling or whatever with Tom Cruise.

by Anonymousreply 238August 9, 2023 12:20 AM

Tammy was never into daddies unless he was charging them for the night.

by Anonymousreply 239August 9, 2023 12:25 AM

Well, R239, who wouldn't make an exception for Paul Newman?

And no, I wasn't particularly surprised when I started hearing the rumors about Newman, I'm never all that surprised when extremely physically beautiful people are referred to as bi. So many people want them, so many kinds of people want them, they're in a position to try everything and explore all their tendencies, or just slut it up with anyone who asks.

by Anonymousreply 240August 9, 2023 12:29 AM

Late Congressman Rev. Bill Gray. Worked with MLK in the sixties. Married with two children. I met him at a couple of meetings at my grandparents house. They were active in local politics; so was my uncle, their oldest son. His wife looked miserable and barely spoke to anyone. I asked myself why she looked so sad. After his death, my uncle told me that he had a white boy, one of those pages, in an apartment in the DC suburbs. Allegedly they were caught having sex in Gray’s office. When I came out, I can’t tell you how many times I would run into clergymen in the bars. So he wasn’t the only one.

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by Anonymousreply 241August 9, 2023 12:35 AM

[quote] my uncle told me that he had a white boy, one of those pages, in an apartment in the DC suburbs.

r241 Those Congressional pages have only one purpose.

by Anonymousreply 242August 9, 2023 12:50 AM

I’m guessing that the wife knew r242. But she liked being the wife of a politician.

Wasn’t there a big scandal in the seventies about a congressman and a couple of male pages?

by Anonymousreply 243August 9, 2023 12:53 AM

r243 Gary Studds, the first openly gay Congressman, was censured in 1983 for sex with a 17-year-old page.

by Anonymousreply 244August 9, 2023 12:58 AM

Riiight. I’m in eldergay territory because I couldn’t remember that r244. Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 245August 9, 2023 1:00 AM

r245 Well I cheated. Google.

by Anonymousreply 246August 9, 2023 1:05 AM

R244, Gerry Studds came to a sad end. He was walking his dog one evening in 2006 when the dog tripped him and he hit his head on the pavement. A pulmonary embolism developed from the fall and he died a few days later.

by Anonymousreply 247August 9, 2023 1:48 AM

That dog was a MURDERER!

by Anonymousreply 248August 9, 2023 1:50 AM

Gerry Studds had nothing on Mark Foley.

by Anonymousreply 249August 9, 2023 2:10 AM

I just realized how massive Reverend Gray’s hands were in that painting of him!

by Anonymousreply 250August 9, 2023 2:43 PM

FYI, R242/244 (who thought of Gerry Studds before the truly abusive Mark Foley) has also posted the following gems:

[quote]They'll be doing us a favor if they ban gay marriage. It's the biggest threat to the community since sodomy laws.

[quote]Anyone who questions this state of perpetual war and a gravy train of billions to those Ukrainian oligarchs is a troll. Nah, the American people have had enough. Kids in Jackson Mississippi go hungry and we're handing billions to the little gypsy Zelensky without any accountability.

Also claims to be a Democrat.

by Anonymousreply 251August 9, 2023 4:28 PM

Craig Stevens and Alexis Smith.

by Anonymousreply 252August 10, 2023 9:07 PM

r251 Dumbass, true Democrats do not support Neo-Con wars, nor attempts by the state to force pseudo-religious monogamy on gays and lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 253August 11, 2023 5:42 AM

What about Craig Stevens and Alexis Smith? Spill it. Although she wouldn't surprise me.

by Anonymousreply 254August 11, 2023 7:12 AM

Lavender cover-up marriage, R254.

by Anonymousreply 255August 11, 2023 8:08 AM

Supposedly but neither of them pinged to me. However once I observed that she looked like a man I could not unsee it.

by Anonymousreply 256August 11, 2023 8:12 AM

[quote]What about Craig Stevens and Alexis Smith? Spill it. Although she wouldn't surprise me.

Alexis Smith was one of the stars of the original production of "Follies"! That's all DL cares about when it comes to Alexis Smith.

by Anonymousreply 257August 11, 2023 8:20 AM

r256=Miss Swan

by Anonymousreply 258August 11, 2023 2:14 PM

R257 And precisely THAT is why I want to know more about her.

by Anonymousreply 259August 11, 2023 3:12 PM

R234 Funny you should say that.

Collider just published an article about "Hud" and the homoeroticism between Paul Newman and Brandon DeWilde in that movie.

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by Anonymousreply 260August 11, 2023 3:26 PM

But is Joanne Woodward a lesbian?

by Anonymousreply 261August 11, 2023 3:52 PM

R260, But, they played brothers.

by Anonymousreply 262August 11, 2023 3:52 PM

Hepburn and Tracy were both gay- they were close friends, never lived together. Each stayed in a separate guest house on Cukor’s estate. Hepburn had a very soft spot for troubled men- like her brother. She used Tracy in her later years to maintain her image much to the disgust of a few of her close friends.

by Anonymousreply 263August 11, 2023 4:03 PM

I often wondered about David Austin.

by Anonymousreply 264August 11, 2023 4:17 PM

R259 - there is the Rita Mae Brown story.

Rita saw "Follies" in 1971 and said she "fell in love with Alexis" and wrote her a fan letter. Alexis replied to the letter and they met. Rita said she was "warm, wise, and direct. I have never felt such lust in my life as I felt for that gorgeous creature. She bore it with good humor. Wearisome as my crush must have been for her and her husband, Craig Stevens, she nudged me along. She never loved me but she saw a flash of talent. That was better than carnal love."

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by Anonymousreply 265August 11, 2023 4:25 PM

R262 No, they were uncle and nephew.

by Anonymousreply 266August 11, 2023 5:31 PM

R265, Alexis must have felt right at home during her love scenes with Melina Mercouri in “Once Is Not Enough”.

by Anonymousreply 267August 11, 2023 5:31 PM

R266, Hot!

by Anonymousreply 268August 11, 2023 5:32 PM

Is Hud the nephew troll?

by Anonymousreply 269August 11, 2023 5:38 PM

[quote] No, they were uncle and nephew.

r266 Wouldn't be the first uncle who fucked his nephew.

by Anonymousreply 270August 11, 2023 7:52 PM

[R190] do you think he and the late Paul Walker were an item?

by Anonymousreply 271August 11, 2023 9:56 PM

Vince Edwards? James Garner? No. Just, no. Never a rumor ever.

by Anonymousreply 272August 11, 2023 10:15 PM

[quote]She never loved me but she saw a flash of talent. That was better than carnal love.

That's...*it*, r265?

by Anonymousreply 273August 11, 2023 10:34 PM

I always wondered about the circumstances that led to Brando posing for a photo with a dick in his mouth. A rather ballsy move for someone from his generation. I couldn’t imagine any movie star who would be willing to do the same this days.

by Anonymousreply 274August 11, 2023 11:13 PM

It wasn't Brando, R274.

by Anonymousreply 275August 12, 2023 12:56 AM

[R178] are you saying Paul Walker was doing 'IT' on the DL??

by Anonymousreply 276August 12, 2023 4:38 PM

Paul Walker liked barely legal girls…he was a dish but not gay or even bisexual. Who knows, maybe he used the casting couch. Most of them do.

by Anonymousreply 277August 12, 2023 6:00 PM

I always had a feeling Tracy was bisexual, at least, it was just gaydar. Also he tried too hard. To act masculine sometimes. When Hepburn did that special and asked “What was it, Spence?” It had already occurred to me that Tracy’s inner conflict that no one could decipher was probably that he liked men. Hepburn, though - I don’t know, I think she might have been in denial as I think she was a rather uptight New Englander. Her penchant for affairs with married, alcoholic men indicates she was. ‘Codependent’ but if she was gay she was extrememly discreet, because. We’ve all heard more about Dietrich and Crawford and women like that.

by Anonymousreply 278August 12, 2023 6:08 PM

Sorry, my spellcheck is weird.

by Anonymousreply 279August 12, 2023 6:08 PM

Hepburn was far from discreet, R278. It was widely known that she was a lesbian, even among press. But in those days something as dastardly as homosexuality was never mentioned or applied to anyone by the mainstream press.

by Anonymousreply 280August 12, 2023 8:14 PM

Tom Selleck.

by Anonymousreply 281August 21, 2023 3:42 PM

^^^^ It DID????

by Anonymousreply 282August 21, 2023 5:04 PM

R281 Obviously, you never watched him run on Magnum P.I.

by Anonymousreply 283August 21, 2023 10:00 PM

Actually I never watched Magnum PI, lol.

Really only know him from his Friends run and even then didn't pay too much attention, not my type.

by Anonymousreply 284August 21, 2023 10:23 PM

Selleck's voice gets high and squeaky very quickly. Not exactly 'gay voice,' but...

by Anonymousreply 285August 21, 2023 11:59 PM

Also he is in In & Out.

by Anonymousreply 286August 22, 2023 12:09 AM

“In the early 1990s, Selleck had a press conference to say that he was not gay after a Queer Nation poster allegedly tried to out him. Years later, he played an openly gay character in In & Out with Kevin Kline.“

by Anonymousreply 287August 22, 2023 12:20 AM

Selleck is allegedly a bottom…

by Anonymousreply 288August 22, 2023 1:22 PM

Oh daddy

by Anonymousreply 289August 22, 2023 1:27 PM

George Strait

by Anonymousreply 290August 22, 2023 1:38 PM

r128, no it was due to Vin's complete unprofessionalism- Walker would be on set, waiting on Vin, who was playing video games or working out in his little compound for at least an hour, up to 3 hours later. Sometimes he wouldn't even show up.

by Anonymousreply 291August 22, 2023 2:40 PM

Ah it should be r178 that r291 is replying to.

by Anonymousreply 292August 22, 2023 2:45 PM

Rip Taylor...

He seemed so butch at the bar.

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by Anonymousreply 293August 22, 2023 2:47 PM

KAREN CLARKE: So you read Liza’s paper, I guess.

LT. GEN. GEORGE MILLER: Yeah. I’m a voracious reader. I am the Gore Vidal of the Pentagon.

KAREN CLARKE: Gore is gay.

LT. GEN. GEORGE MILLER: No, he’s not.

KAREN CLARKE: I beg to differ, but —

LT. GEN. GEORGE MILLER: He’s gay? Because I’ve been saying the Gore Vidal line.

KAREN CLARKE: He is gay.

LT. GEN. GEORGE MILLER: Guess I better stop saying that then. That’s ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 294August 22, 2023 3:20 PM

George Hamilton. Robert Evans. Never trust a man that tans.

by Anonymousreply 295August 22, 2023 3:32 PM

R295 Never heard that about either man. Evidence? Proof?

by Anonymousreply 296August 22, 2023 3:36 PM

Seann William Scott.

by Anonymousreply 297August 22, 2023 4:33 PM

R296, I've heard gay rumors about Hamilton, but I've never sucked his cock.

Evans, I've heard is a straight predator who's drugged and raped women.

by Anonymousreply 298August 22, 2023 8:31 PM

Ron Liebman

Gene Kelly

Nicole Kidman

by Anonymousreply 299August 22, 2023 9:19 PM

R298 I’ve never heard anything but that Robert Evans was a total womanizer.

by Anonymousreply 300August 24, 2023 5:00 AM

R300 = Ali McGraw

by Anonymousreply 301August 24, 2023 7:22 AM

R301 Who was screwing her co-star Ryan O'Neal at the Ritz while filming Love Story in Cambridge and married to Evans

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by Anonymousreply 302August 24, 2023 12:02 PM

R302, Ali was screwing Steve McQueen during filming of “The Getaway” while married to Robert Evans.

by Anonymousreply 303August 24, 2023 12:05 PM

Daniel Travanti. When a man has a serious discussion with you about figure skating in the Olympics, then you know he's gay.

by Anonymousreply 304August 24, 2023 1:19 PM

Rudy Ray Moore. After his death it was revealed that he was gay and nothing like his heterosexual alter ego from his raunchy albums and films.

by Anonymousreply 305August 24, 2023 3:24 PM

[quote]George Hamilton. Robert Evans. Never trust a man that tans.

Robert Evans? HA! A well known womanizer. Now Hamilton acts gay in every way - one short marriage, platonically dated LBJ's daughter, over attention to his appearance, hangs out will older diva women (like Imelda Marcos) - nobody talks about it, but I'd bet he's gay. My grandmother always assumed he was gay too.

by Anonymousreply 306August 24, 2023 3:38 PM

R306, George is best buds with Liza.

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by Anonymousreply 307August 24, 2023 4:34 PM

^ That settles it

by Anonymousreply 308August 24, 2023 5:53 PM

Hopefully George and I will be married shoon! I think he'sh the one!

by Anonymousreply 309August 24, 2023 5:57 PM

George Hamilton reminds me of Frank Sinatra Jr in his personal life - nothing much happening with women.

by Anonymousreply 310August 24, 2023 7:45 PM

R310, Frank Sinatra, Jr. fathered four out-of-wedlock children by four different women, three daughters and a son.

by Anonymousreply 311August 24, 2023 7:53 PM

CORRECTION: Two daughters and two sons.

by Anonymousreply 312August 24, 2023 7:56 PM

Patty Duke had a “relationship” with Sinatra Jr, he didn’t touch her.

by Anonymousreply 313August 24, 2023 10:29 PM

To be fair, would you touch that crazy mess?

He probably just wanted some publicity.

by Anonymousreply 314August 24, 2023 10:32 PM

R313, He guest starred on her show in 1965.

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by Anonymousreply 315August 24, 2023 10:42 PM

Ray Bolger

by Anonymousreply 316August 24, 2023 11:04 PM

Ray Bolger surprised you?

by Anonymousreply 317August 25, 2023 1:16 AM

It surprised me, R317!

by Anonymousreply 318August 25, 2023 1:44 AM

R316, lemme see some reciepts!

by Anonymousreply 319August 26, 2023 2:35 AM

Jesus of Nazareth

by Anonymousreply 320August 26, 2023 3:07 AM

[quote]Ray Bolger surprised you?

It certainly did.

by Anonymousreply 321August 26, 2023 4:14 AM

R308 That and his grandmother.

by Anonymousreply 322August 26, 2023 7:00 PM

Any proof Bolger was gay? Or just supposition?

by Anonymousreply 323August 26, 2023 7:06 PM

His nephew was hot. He was in some gay themed movie in the 80s. John Bolger, IIRC. He was also in several guest spots in the LAW & ORDER franchise.

by Anonymousreply 324August 26, 2023 7:46 PM

John Bolger was in Parting Glances, r324. Also Procter & Gamble soaps Another World and Guiding Light.

by Anonymousreply 325August 26, 2023 7:52 PM

R325, And “One Life to Live”.

by Anonymousreply 326August 26, 2023 9:02 PM

But what’s the evidence Ray Bolger was gay?

by Anonymousreply 327August 26, 2023 9:20 PM

He was a dancer and he starred in Broadway musicals, R327. On DL, that's more than enough evidence to declare somebody gay.

by Anonymousreply 328August 26, 2023 9:23 PM

r328 On DL, being male and sentient is usually sufficient.

by Anonymousreply 329August 26, 2023 9:24 PM

R328, And then there’s Mrs. Bolger.

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by Anonymousreply 330August 26, 2023 10:25 PM

Young John Bolger…wow.

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by Anonymousreply 331August 27, 2023 1:09 AM

R330 And?

by Anonymousreply 332August 27, 2023 4:12 PM

I was pretty young when I heard a lot of the gay rumors about classic movies stars so most of them surprised me.

by Anonymousreply 333August 27, 2023 6:04 PM

Walter Pidgeon

by Anonymousreply 334August 27, 2023 6:56 PM

Judy Garland actually surprised me. I heard rumors of her being bi but only believed them when that personal assistant wrote that book about her and Liza and described being in a limo with Judy when she put her hand on her leg, I think. I know this is about men but whatever.

by Anonymousreply 335August 27, 2023 7:50 PM

*Judy put her hand on the assistant’s leg, or came on to her in some similar way, I forget.

by Anonymousreply 336August 27, 2023 7:51 PM

R133 Kate Hepburn was Bi. She had her occasional man and I have an eye witness.

by Anonymousreply 337August 27, 2023 8:05 PM

R306 I understand Hamilton is also a MAGAT

by Anonymousreply 338August 27, 2023 8:08 PM

R337, what eyewitness?

by Anonymousreply 339August 27, 2023 8:28 PM

R339, Katharine Houghton

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by Anonymousreply 340August 27, 2023 8:46 PM

Chris Farley was mentioned in the “borderline personality” thread… has anyone else heard rumors he was a tormented gay man in the closet? That one surprised me.

by Anonymousreply 341August 27, 2023 8:53 PM

I believe Katharine Houghton has said her aunt had affairs with some famous men whose names would surprise us.

by Anonymousreply 342August 27, 2023 8:57 PM

R339 One of my oldest, dearest friends. Her father worked a film shoot with Tracy and Hepburn. While Tracy was off shooting on location Hepburn stayed back and hooked up with my friend's dad. She walked in on them going at it. She has no reason to to make this up. It messed her mind up a bit. Her dad was in the industry too. He was a major womanizer.

by Anonymousreply 343August 27, 2023 9:01 PM

R343, Desi Arnaz?

by Anonymousreply 344August 27, 2023 9:08 PM

R343 Wow. Was the dad married? Which film was it? It must have been a long time ago. Not Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner because neither of them went on location for that. Not for their previous film, Desk Set, either.

by Anonymousreply 345August 27, 2023 9:09 PM

R345, “Pat and Mike”?

by Anonymousreply 346August 27, 2023 9:14 PM

Monty Woolley. Partner was Black, together until their deaths.

by Anonymousreply 347August 27, 2023 9:18 PM

I gotta say, the recently unearthed letter of Obama pretty much surprised me.

Not so much the thoughts, which didn't shock me about him, but the revealing of them, and to a "girlfriend," no less!

I would also NOT be gay-surprised about Nixon (Bebe Rebozo), Dubya (Jeff Gannon), K. Rove, D. Quayle, M. Pence, T. Kaine, S. Miller, P. Manafort, for starters.

by Anonymousreply 348August 27, 2023 9:19 PM

Rumor has it that Karl Rove became the conservative bitch he is because in high school, he wanted to be buddy buddy with the jocks and they rejected him badly. Wow! All that because he couldn’t get gang banged by the football team. 😂

by Anonymousreply 349August 27, 2023 9:23 PM

R348, Obama’s relationship with Reggie Love always seemed odd.

“Love served as the special assistant and personal aide, commonly referred to as body man, to U.S. President Barack Obama.“

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by Anonymousreply 350August 27, 2023 9:31 PM

Gay-braham Lincoln

by Anonymousreply 351August 27, 2023 9:33 PM

[quote]Kate Hepburn was Bi.

That dreary New England spinster was neither AC nor DC. She was strictly TNT (tease/no touch) !

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by Anonymousreply 352August 27, 2023 9:35 PM

R352, Never saw a photo of Kate wearing fur before.

by Anonymousreply 353August 27, 2023 9:51 PM

You have a baby grand piano in your house, but you can’t play it, and you don’t invite people over to play it.

by Anonymousreply 354August 27, 2023 10:03 PM

Well tea has been spilled regarding JFK and his relationship with Lem Billings. So this stuff about Obama is a nothing burger. Maybe he released the information to keep him from getting blackmailed…

by Anonymousreply 355August 27, 2023 10:03 PM

Wrong thread — sorry!

by Anonymousreply 356August 27, 2023 10:05 PM

I would welcome a session with Reggie Love and his bbc.

6’4” and 225# of chocolate delight.

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by Anonymousreply 357August 27, 2023 10:12 PM

Van Johnson, OTOH, surprised no one.

by Anonymousreply 358August 27, 2023 10:22 PM

Maybe I'm naive but I was surprised by Van Johnson when I first read about him here (this was eons ago, when Van was still alive).

I didn't know much about his personal life but I'd seen multiple films of his and he never pinged for me

by Anonymousreply 359August 27, 2023 11:19 PM

R353. You should see her with a muff!

by Anonymousreply 360August 28, 2023 12:24 AM

What’s this tea about Obama? Explain!

by Anonymousreply 361August 28, 2023 12:41 AM

R361 . . .

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by Anonymousreply 362August 28, 2023 1:21 AM

Van Johnson's bestie/secret lover was comic actor, Keenan Wynn.

When MGM insisted the gay Johnson marry a woman, he asked Wynn to divorce his wife Evie so Johnson could marry her. Wynn did, and Johnson did.

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by Anonymousreply 363August 28, 2023 2:04 AM

Burt Young from the Rocky movies.

Paul Winfield, I used to see him at Uncle Charlie's in the Village.

Daniel J. Travanti from Hill Street Blues.

by Anonymousreply 364August 28, 2023 2:09 AM

Sometime art keeps imitating life onscreen, over and over and over again.

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by Anonymousreply 365August 28, 2023 2:12 AM

Tyrone Power.

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by Anonymousreply 366August 28, 2023 2:16 AM

Burt Young is gay?!

by Anonymousreply 367August 28, 2023 2:24 AM


by Anonymousreply 368August 28, 2023 2:31 AM

I'd take Keenan Wynn over Van Johnson any day.

by Anonymousreply 369August 28, 2023 3:23 AM

There were only two famous Vans and they were both gay.

by Anonymousreply 370August 28, 2023 3:24 AM

Van Heflin was gay too?

by Anonymousreply 371August 28, 2023 3:29 AM

Okay you got me. There are at least three famous Vans.

by Anonymousreply 372August 28, 2023 3:31 AM

Here, R353, a different picture of La Hepburn wearing fur!

And her early 1930s hairstyle, and lesbian pants, and what look like high heels worn over crew socks. Damn, the Hollywood glamour machine had work to do, with the young Hepburn.

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by Anonymousreply 373August 28, 2023 4:20 AM

Damn r362! So under the right conditions, I could hit it. I wonder when Obama has these fantasies, is he too or bottom.

by Anonymousreply 374August 28, 2023 5:00 AM

I meant *top* or bottom.

by Anonymousreply 375August 28, 2023 5:01 AM

R372, Van Cliburn was uber gay.

by Anonymousreply 376August 28, 2023 7:08 AM

R326. Correct. But Van Heflin is not known to be.

by Anonymousreply 377August 28, 2023 10:20 AM

Abraham Benrubi being gay was a pleasant surprise, but he seems to have pretty much stopped acting after ER went off the air.

by Anonymousreply 378August 28, 2023 1:49 PM

Joel Grey coming out at 82.

by Anonymousreply 379August 28, 2023 2:05 PM

Tavis Smiley. Because he is so sexless to me. I think he is asexual.

by Anonymousreply 380August 28, 2023 3:26 PM

In college, I knew a guy who grew up in Hawaii. He was from money. He swore up and down that Tom Selleck hit on him in a gym or country club men's changing room.

by Anonymousreply 381August 28, 2023 3:38 PM

Sherman Hemsley

by Anonymousreply 382August 28, 2023 3:48 PM

Selleck was a known gay very early in his career. He got married to a "Cats" dancer to dispel those rumors.

by Anonymousreply 383August 28, 2023 4:25 PM

As far as I've read R306, Hamilton is a womanizer who still sees himself as a lothario in spite of his orange decrepitude, and likes his women young, pretty, slutty and not particularly intelligent. He is friends with the likes of Liza because he moves in old jet set circles and aging divas still reign supreme in that fast-disappearing world.

Just because a man was handsome in his youth and is still ridiculously vain about his long-faded looks, it doesn't mean that he is gay.

by Anonymousreply 384August 28, 2023 7:45 PM

R380, Tavis Smiley was fired from PBS after multiple allegations from women that he engaged in inappropriate sexual behavior. Smiley acknowledged that he had multiple affairs with subordinates but claimed they were consensual. Although they may have given consent, the women subsequently said the power differential between him and them discounted that.

He's a creep...a straight one.

by Anonymousreply 385August 28, 2023 8:53 PM

R384, A friend of mine who works in public relations, was assigned to George Hamilton when he came to New Orleans to promote “Love at First Bite”.

When they rode in the car in the evening, George insisted the interior lights be on so he could be seen. And when they dined in a restaurant, George had to be seated near the front window so passersby would see him.

by Anonymousreply 386August 29, 2023 1:27 AM

R385 now that I can believe…

by Anonymousreply 387August 29, 2023 1:32 AM

Men-straight or gay-can be vain as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 388August 29, 2023 8:01 AM

[quote]Just because a man was handsome in his youth and is still ridiculously vain about his long-faded looks, it doesn't mean that he is gay.

Sing it, sister!

by Anonymousreply 389August 29, 2023 11:48 AM

r389, 😂😂😂😂😂

by Anonymousreply 390August 29, 2023 12:55 PM

[quote]Judy put her hand on the assistant’s leg, or came on to her in some similar way, I forget.

She put her hand UP THE PUBLICIST'S DRESS. Judy meant business.

by Anonymousreply 391August 29, 2023 1:42 PM

R373 Van Johnson, Van Heflin, Van Morrison, Van Cliburn. That makes 4.

by Anonymousreply 392August 31, 2023 2:23 PM


by Anonymousreply 393August 31, 2023 2:56 PM

Van Heflin was the old guy with the suitcase bomb in the film "Airport".

Most Dataloungers know him as the delightful male lead in the charming Judy Garland movie "Presenting Lily Mars", and I don't want to hear any nonsense about not having seen it!

by Anonymousreply 394August 31, 2023 3:05 PM

Van Heflin?

by Anonymousreply 395August 31, 2023 7:53 PM

The Lady In The Van?

by Anonymousreply 396September 1, 2023 12:18 AM

Bobby Van?

by Anonymousreply 397September 1, 2023 1:20 AM

Most people probably know Van Heflin from Shane.

by Anonymousreply 398September 1, 2023 3:17 AM

Van Johnson was able to act masc in war movies like The Caine Mutiny and Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, but this interview is probably closer to the real Van.

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by Anonymousreply 399September 1, 2023 3:30 AM

R398, Or, his Oscar winning role in “Johnny Eager”.

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by Anonymousreply 400September 1, 2023 3:34 AM

R399. I knew Van dabbled in homosex, but I didn’t know he dabbled in dinner theatre.

by Anonymousreply 401September 1, 2023 4:09 AM

I think one presumes the other, R401

by Anonymousreply 402September 1, 2023 4:19 AM

R399- Even though the rather cute guy interviewing Van Johnson has a particularly deep masculine voice I still get a gay vibe from him.

by Anonymousreply 403September 1, 2023 4:29 AM

[quote]I knew Van dabbled in homosex, but I didn’t know he dabbled in dinner theatre.

That's like saying Chrissy Metz dabbles in snacks.

by Anonymousreply 404September 1, 2023 8:06 AM

R399 The sports coat is closer to the real Van, for sure.

by Anonymousreply 405September 1, 2023 12:28 PM

[quote]I think one presumes the other, [R401]

Inanimate objects or facts cannot "presume" (or "assume").

Oh, dear.

"Implies," OP.

by Anonymousreply 406September 1, 2023 12:42 PM

Johnson looks like an older version of Cynthia Nixon in r399 ‘s clip.

by Anonymousreply 407September 1, 2023 2:04 PM

R399, I actually enjoyed that interview. I never got Van and his bland leading man appeal, but in the interview he came across as an affable raconteur, with his quips and asides and deadpans. I can just imagine him at parties, getting awfully bitchy with his humor after a few cocktails.

by Anonymousreply 408September 1, 2023 4:00 PM

I wish someone would post on YT an episode of The Sally Jessy Raphael Show which featured Ginger Rogers promoting her autobiography in 1991.

As a surprise, they brought on Van Johnson to pay tribute to and reminisce with Ginger.

Van was a real pain in the ass. He kept interrupting and asking each question to be repeated. Sally eventually had enough and after a commercial break he was no longer part of the show.

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by Anonymousreply 409September 1, 2023 4:42 PM

R409, Van Johnson had started to lose his hearing in his 60s, so he probably didn't hear the questions and kept interrupting conversations that he didn't know were taking place.

by Anonymousreply 410September 1, 2023 6:10 PM

The Van Johnson interview with David Letterman was notorious,

by Anonymousreply 411September 1, 2023 6:22 PM

He seemed to still have it in the 80's, shown here with Mrs Martin Gable when she interviewed him during his run in La Cage aux Folles.

"I have to get it up for an 8 o'clock performance every night."

by Anonymousreply 412September 1, 2023 6:25 PM

Wasn’t Van Johnson caught in a compromising position with an underage boy in a YMCA and MGM covered it up?

by Anonymousreply 413September 1, 2023 7:10 PM

[quote]Wasn’t Van Johnson caught in a compromising position with an underage boy in a YMCA and MGM covered it up?

What a scandal!

by Anonymousreply 414September 1, 2023 7:40 PM

I heard Van was caught with a sailor at Pershing Square and MGM covered it up

by Anonymousreply 415September 1, 2023 7:43 PM

Louis B told him to get married as a consequence of R413, R415, or something like that.

MGM could cover up anything until the statute of limitations ran out.

by Anonymousreply 416September 1, 2023 9:46 PM


by Anonymousreply 417September 1, 2023 10:10 PM

Clark Gable was infamously gay for pay, or gay for the right role, at least.

Other alleged (on DL) casting-couch/situational gays: Aldo Ray, the young Matt Dillon, the young Brad Pitt.

by Anonymousreply 418September 1, 2023 10:18 PM

Due to the Freedom Of Information Act (I think) I’ve seen FBI documents online about Van Johnson. When registering for the draft he declared himself homosexual and was ineligible. But when he became an MGM star-in-the-making he wanted to change the designation and met secretly with government men to tell them that he had now developed feelings for women, had had sex with a woman, etc. I think he was then made eligible for the draft. Subsequently he got in that car accident and due to the injury was no longer eligible.

by Anonymousreply 419September 1, 2023 10:21 PM

I just saw Van in Night of 100 Stars. He appeared with June Allyson as one of the screen lovers teams. Van came prancing out and then flash opened his black tuxedo jacket to reveal its red lining. Trying to upstage poor June though her silver jumpsuit was pretty hideous in itself.

by Anonymousreply 420September 1, 2023 10:43 PM

Presumably the actor photographed kissing another man in a car in the Hollywoodland movie was based on Van.

by Anonymousreply 421September 1, 2023 10:45 PM

[quote] [R3], You sound very sure of yourself. What makes you so, and moreover why think that cirrhosis of the liver would be to Muslims a worse diagnosis than AIDS?

I'm not that poster, but I dated a Saudi, and I do believe he'd chuckle at gay sex but be appalled by the alcohol.

by Anonymousreply 422September 1, 2023 10:46 PM


My husband was NOT gay. Even if he did work in the legitimate theater.

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by Anonymousreply 423September 1, 2023 10:51 PM

I saw Van in the same show I posted the interview about - Send MeNo Flowers, also with the actor he mentions, Bob Moak. I think they often cast the wife part more locally. I saw it Maine, met him afterwards at the stage door, Nice guy - broad show but enjoyable and funny, a good evening.

by Anonymousreply 424September 1, 2023 11:59 PM

(In the 70s, I was around 14.)

by Anonymousreply 425September 2, 2023 12:02 AM

[quote]Ahem. [quote]—Van Williams

Williams was devoted to the same wife for an astounding number of decades, long after his acting career evaporated and he made a fortune not dependent on public opinion, so I assume he was straight. Though he must have offered Henry Willson [italic]some[/italic] incentive to make him a star, even if it was hope that never materialized.

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by Anonymousreply 426September 5, 2023 7:41 PM

Henry Louis Gates, which actually doesn't surprise me.

by Anonymousreply 427September 7, 2023 4:39 PM

R427 Surprising. He came on to a friend's wife at a party in Oak Bluffs last summer. My Colleague is 6'6', Gates is 5'6" on uneven ground and wisely chose to apologize rather profusely, people said.

Performative? Drunk? Horny? Whatever, it doesn't sound all that gay. OTOH, the ten foot tall oil portrait of him outside his Barker Center office is a bit extra: larger than life, in fact.

by Anonymousreply 428September 7, 2023 4:51 PM

I was a mans mans and I ain't neva bottomed fa nobody ya hear?!?! That fruitcake bottomed for me.

by Anonymousreply 429September 8, 2023 4:51 PM

[R186] how did you guys take care of your sexual urges? I'm sure you had them! BTW, were you both 'TOPS?'

by Anonymousreply 430September 12, 2023 9:50 PM

Someone probably no one remembers. . . Peter Breck. Big 'mo

by Anonymousreply 431September 12, 2023 9:59 PM

great thread

by Anonymousreply 432September 12, 2023 10:08 PM

Jack Benny

by Anonymousreply 433September 12, 2023 10:16 PM

R431, never heard that he was gay. Any dirt to share?

by Anonymousreply 434September 13, 2023 12:17 AM

R431, Nick Barkley?

by Anonymousreply 435September 13, 2023 12:41 AM

Did Peter Breck and Rock Hudson discovery, Lee Majors, ever get it on?

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by Anonymousreply 436September 13, 2023 12:53 AM

[quote]Someone probably no one remembers. . . Peter Breck. Big 'mo

He's remembered for "The Big Valley," at least by people who are fond of old TV westerns.

by Anonymousreply 437September 13, 2023 8:51 AM

Karl ROve.

by Anonymousreply 438September 13, 2023 8:59 AM

It shouldn't have been surprised. It should have been obvious.

by Anonymousreply 439September 13, 2023 9:31 AM

Majors was hiring rent boys while he was married to Farah.

by Anonymousreply 440September 13, 2023 1:46 PM

I'd like to hear a source for Peter Breck. Because he's good looking? There was never a gay rumor about Beck, not ever.

by Anonymousreply 441September 13, 2023 5:45 PM

[R331] I think it's just wishful thinking that he is/was gay! He got married when he was 25, had 3 children, and still married to the same woman! (Of, course, he could have been doing "IT" on the DL, or his wife could have given her Ok!?)

by Anonymousreply 442September 14, 2023 6:10 PM

How can he still be married to a woman when he's dead?!

by Anonymousreply 443September 14, 2023 6:52 PM

He’s remembered for his big valley. So is Missy Stanwyck.

by Anonymousreply 444September 14, 2023 6:57 PM

Decades ago when I found out that Raymond Burr & Earl Holliman were gay I stopped being even remotely surprised when I found out someone I never suspected was a homo.

by Anonymousreply 445September 14, 2023 6:59 PM

R436, no bs here. In the 1970s and the early 1980s, Lee Majors and Farrah kept a place in the Upper Bear Creek part of the Evergreen area just west of Denver. It was well known and discussed among gay people that Majors, discreetly but seen and met, had boyfriends, one particularly and more overtly than others. He wasn't out in the bars, that I've heard, but in the moneyed-gay sets they were sociable. More locally, in the mountains, Farrah had a great reputation. And they were such a striking couple. There were other stories, but they smelled more like exaggerations or fiction.

Robert Redford and Gerald Ford's son, Jack, were two more of the Denver-to-Aspen territory visitors with steady boyfriends.

by Anonymousreply 446September 15, 2023 1:24 AM

Back in the early 50s and 60s Rock Hudson and several of his rich Hollywood homo pals had a hunting lodge in Kentucky they would make regular trips to. While there they would have big parties with many of the young football studs from Eastern Ky. University. These parties always ended up as orgies. One of those studs was Lee Majors. And that's how Lee got his start in the entertainment industry. Rock Hudson brought him out to Hollywood and the rest is history.

by Anonymousreply 447September 15, 2023 1:56 AM

Wait, Robert Redford had a boyfriend?

by Anonymousreply 448September 15, 2023 3:08 AM

What about Steven Ford who is another son of Gerald and an actor?

by Anonymousreply 449September 15, 2023 3:40 AM

Redford was gay? Since when.

by Anonymousreply 450September 15, 2023 6:37 AM

[quote]Redford was gay? Since when.


by Anonymousreply 451September 15, 2023 8:03 AM

I’ve actually heard the odd rumour here and there about Redford back in his heyday. No idea if it’s true or just wishful thinking.

by Anonymousreply 452September 15, 2023 12:40 PM

Allegedly Karl Malden. Enjoyed the occasional rent boys.

by Anonymousreply 453September 15, 2023 1:35 PM

R453, Who’s next, Ernest Borgnine?

by Anonymousreply 454September 15, 2023 2:19 PM

R446 = BS artist

by Anonymousreply 455September 15, 2023 2:58 PM

[quote]Wait, Robert Redford had a boyfriend?

NO. Redford and Gerald Ford had a son named Jack who had a boyfriend.

by Anonymousreply 456September 15, 2023 3:00 PM

When his father was POTUS, Jack Ford hooked up with the Andy Warhol crowd and he was rumored to have had a fling with Bianca Jagger.

He also bragged about smoking weed in the White House.

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by Anonymousreply 457September 15, 2023 3:05 PM

Redford is too homophobic to have a gay child. He’d be more worried about how it would affect HIM.

by Anonymousreply 458September 15, 2023 5:38 PM

Redford isn't homophobic

by Anonymousreply 459September 15, 2023 6:06 PM


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by Anonymousreply 460September 15, 2023 6:10 PM

[quote]Redford isn't homophobic

Right, he's narcissistic.

by Anonymousreply 461September 15, 2023 6:40 PM

I was surprised to find out Billy Preston was gay.

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by Anonymousreply 462September 15, 2023 6:52 PM

Has Chuck Connors been mentioned? Word was that he liked 'em young. His co-star on The Rifleman (Johnny Crawford) was also gay, and at one point after he'd grown up he was actually procuring boys for Connors.

by Anonymousreply 463September 15, 2023 7:08 PM

Saw Van Johnson at the Five Oaks ( or was it Bon Soir?) in the late 80s. He was having a grand time.

by Anonymousreply 464September 15, 2023 7:15 PM

Chuck Connors was also in a grainy porn loop long before he got hit it big in Hollywood.

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by Anonymousreply 465September 15, 2023 7:24 PM

R463, Johnny Crawford went full frontal in “The Naked Ape”(1973).

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by Anonymousreply 466September 15, 2023 7:39 PM

Hugh and Deborra-Lee have issued a statement:

"Though we have lived in separate apartments for decades, we have respectfully and lovingly decided that even that arrangement has become too close for comfort.

We further decided that if we move sufficiently apart so as never again have to encounter each other's face, which distance is our mutual goal, our wonderful fans would notice and wonder.

So we, Mr. Jackman and Ms. Furness, today announce that we will henceforth be living in extremely heterosexual communities at least 100 miles from each other.

We ask that our fans respect our privacy at this emotional moment, until such time as Ms. Furness launches her OnlyFans site and Mr. Jackman emerges on Grindr.

Thank you. 💕

~~~HJ & D-LF "

by Anonymousreply 467September 15, 2023 8:49 PM

Majors was married as a college student. And had a kid. But when Rock called and told him to come to hollywood… the baby and the little one were left in Kentucky. Then he denied ever meeting Rock. Ah those pre-Internet days...

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by Anonymousreply 468September 15, 2023 9:52 PM

^ I don't know her!

by Anonymousreply 469September 15, 2023 10:13 PM

And let's not forget the portrait of Rock in Lee's study.

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by Anonymousreply 470September 15, 2023 11:47 PM

Lee Majors made a really unconvincing bottle-blonde. He looks like a small-town hairstylist. Or a florist.

Or just a super-gay cowboy.

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by Anonymousreply 471September 16, 2023 12:22 AM

I've written this before. (I hope not on this thread.)

I worked with a straight guy for a number of years. He never spoke about homosexuality he had no interest in it. Except once. His uncle was an important detective in NY and made it into books like Prince of the City. He knew a lot of people in the city.

This guy I worked with was a big movie nut and we were talking about The Bridge on the River Kwai. He told me his uncle told him that William Holden was gay but he liked his movies anyway. I've never heard any rumors about Holden anywhere else but coming from this guy it was so unexpected and he had no reason to lie. It never came up again. Why would he lie about such a thing when he certainly wasn't the gossipy sort at all? Nobody believes it. I don't know what to think.

by Anonymousreply 472September 16, 2023 12:27 AM

I don’t think he was gay but he no doubt used the casting couch to his advantage r472.

by Anonymousreply 473September 16, 2023 12:29 AM

Well that's a definitely a possibility. Maybe like Steve McQueen

by Anonymousreply 474September 16, 2023 12:31 AM

Holden was a deeply unhappy, self-destructive alcoholic who literally drank himself to death at age 63:

[quote]According to the Los Angeles County Coroner's autopsy report, Holden bled to death in his apartment in Santa Monica, California, on November 12, 1981, after lacerating his forehead from slipping on a rug while intoxicated and hitting a bedside table. Forensic evidence recovered at the scene suggested that he was conscious for at least half an hour after the fall. His body was found four days later.

So anything is possible.

by Anonymousreply 475September 16, 2023 12:54 AM

Older gays like me come from a way of thinking that categorized guys into gay and not gay. The fact is a lot of guys swing back and forth, and many choose to be permanently with women. Movie stars have people throwing themselves at them all the time. Buster Keaton used to say he'd go to his dressing room and there would always be a naked girl waiting for him. So sure they'd use sex to get ahead, or get some head. Or more.

by Anonymousreply 476September 16, 2023 1:02 AM

That wasn't me, no matter what that bitch Neely O'Hara says,r476.

by Anonymousreply 477September 16, 2023 1:43 AM

Jesus. William Holden - not gay, not a true rumor, nothing.

by Anonymousreply 478September 16, 2023 2:46 PM

Yeah, the Holden rumor is absurd.

by Anonymousreply 479September 16, 2023 5:28 PM

Aw, that's sweet that Lee kept a picture of his boyfriend on the wall

by Anonymousreply 480September 16, 2023 5:46 PM

R470 That photo looks altered.

by Anonymousreply 481September 16, 2023 6:54 PM

Lee is a terrible actor but so easy on the eyes.

by Anonymousreply 482September 16, 2023 7:02 PM

Pinky Lee?, r482?

by Anonymousreply 483September 16, 2023 7:08 PM

Lee Majors r483.

by Anonymousreply 484September 16, 2023 7:19 PM

LOL there are still people surprised that Lee is a big mo and Farah was a big lez lez?

by Anonymousreply 485September 16, 2023 9:14 PM

Joan must have been so embarrassed about Johnny going full frontal in a movie.

by Anonymousreply 486September 16, 2023 9:15 PM

R485, would a big Lez have married that pig Ryan O'Neal?

My guess is that she was straight, but she either willing to marry a bi man for whatever reason, or at that point in her life she wanted to be part of a power couple even if that meant bearding.

by Anonymousreply 487September 16, 2023 11:03 PM

Funny how Johnny Crawford married a woman relatively late in his life.

by Anonymousreply 488September 16, 2023 11:39 PM

[quote] and Farah was a big lez lez

What's this about me now?

by Anonymousreply 489September 16, 2023 11:40 PM

Lee Majors must have been G4P. Period.

by Anonymousreply 490September 17, 2023 12:27 AM

Henry Louis Gates hit on a female friend of mine while she was walking her biracial baby in a stroller.

by Anonymousreply 491September 17, 2023 1:00 AM

^ Where is the gay part?!

by Anonymousreply 492September 17, 2023 1:25 AM

He was called gay upthread.

by Anonymousreply 493September 17, 2023 1:46 AM

I don't know if this will surprise anyone but Billy Zane. Definitely.

by Anonymousreply 494September 17, 2023 1:49 AM

r494, details please!

by Anonymousreply 495September 17, 2023 2:11 AM

There have been Bi rumors about Zane.

Or maybe there are gay rumors too, every man who overplucks his eyebrows gets gay rumors.

by Anonymousreply 496September 17, 2023 2:26 AM

I love you, r489, but I am....

by Anonymousreply 497September 17, 2023 3:42 AM

Farrah surprises me.

by Anonymousreply 498September 17, 2023 3:47 AM

Lynn Swann, surprising maybe because he’s a black conservative.

by Anonymousreply 499September 17, 2023 7:32 PM

The best Farrah stories are how she hated to wait in line for the bathroom or use it while other people were in it. So she would just go outside and pinch dookies on lawns. She was a real hygiene pig

by Anonymousreply 500September 17, 2023 9:07 PM

So much blame placed on Ryan O’Neal for the way that their son Redmond turned out, but Farrah was a bit effed up her own damn self. She was allegedly a kleptomaniac even when she hit the big time.

by Anonymousreply 501September 17, 2023 10:08 PM

R487, Farrah was too stupid and unsophisticated to figure out she was a lez if she was. And too high.

by Anonymousreply 502September 17, 2023 11:15 PM

James Daly

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by Anonymousreply 503September 18, 2023 1:25 PM

R503, There was an ugly palimony lawsuit filed by his boyfriend after he died.

by Anonymousreply 504September 18, 2023 1:48 PM

Van Heflin won a supporting Oscar for playing Robert Taylor’s alcoholic best buddy “sidekick “ in “Johnny Eager” (1941). Though disguised, the homoerotic element is decidedly present.

I’ve always found Heflin’s masculine presence attractive in such later films as “Green Dolphin Street,” “The Strange Love of Martha Ivers,” “Shane,” and “3:10 to Yuma.” Even in later life, as he got thicker, and the ravages of his own alcoholism took their toll, he still had the same kind of dad-bod attractiveness, in “The Greatest Story Ever Told” and “Airport.”

But I’ve never heard any indication he was gay.

by Anonymousreply 505September 18, 2023 3:56 PM

From his delivery, appearance, and demeanor, I had no idea how much Van Johnson reminds me of Donald Trump.


by Anonymousreply 506September 18, 2023 4:02 PM

Van Johnson is watchable. He doesn't make you want to throw up.

by Anonymousreply 507September 18, 2023 4:36 PM

Well this was a real shocker and I just found out last night-Bob Gurr.

by Anonymousreply 508September 18, 2023 4:38 PM


Frances Heflin, Van’s sister, played Susan Lucci’s mother on AMC.

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by Anonymousreply 509September 18, 2023 4:44 PM

I never liked Van Johnson and they tried SO hard to make him happen. His smarmy baby face turned me off.

by Anonymousreply 510September 18, 2023 4:48 PM

Laird Cregar

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by Anonymousreply 511September 18, 2023 7:27 PM

Yasser Arafat should keep dying a million deaths...once wasn't good enough for that evil POS

by Anonymousreply 512September 18, 2023 7:47 PM

Why Ryan O'Neal marry a lez?

by Anonymousreply 513September 18, 2023 7:53 PM

Why would Ryan marry a lez?

by Anonymousreply 514September 18, 2023 7:55 PM

R511 That was about as much of a surprise as Liberace being gay.

by Anonymousreply 515September 18, 2023 8:03 PM

R509, indeed and when Heflin passed away in real life, they had the character of Mona, Erica's mother die on the show. With that said, apparently a few years back when their were rumors that AMC was trying to hire Dierdre Hall, Lucci was telling people that Hall would be playing Mona, who they were going to say hadn't really died after all...

by Anonymousreply 516September 18, 2023 8:05 PM

[quote]Frances Heflin, Van’s sister, played Susan Lucci’s mother on AMC.

Frances Heflin was in the original Broadway production of Thornton Wilder's "The Skin of Our Teeth," along with Tallulah Bankhead and Montgomery Clift.

by Anonymousreply 517September 18, 2023 8:28 PM

Fredric March, Florence Eldridge, Tallullah Bankhead, Montgomery Clift, Frances Heflin.

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by Anonymousreply 518September 18, 2023 8:44 PM

I love that story of Clift before he became famous. He was admiring his face in a mirror and a roommate walked by and Clift turned to him and said why are you so ugly?! KARMA!

by Anonymousreply 519September 18, 2023 11:03 PM

What is Alf doing in the photo at R518?

by Anonymousreply 520September 18, 2023 11:09 PM

He's just visiting.

by Anonymousreply 521September 18, 2023 11:40 PM

I was shocked when I found out Raymond Burr was Gay. Truly.

by Anonymousreply 522September 19, 2023 4:00 AM

With the gay rumors in this thread about Lee Majors and Peter Breck, we might as well complete the Big Valley trifecta and ask: were there ever any gay rumors about Richard Long?

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by Anonymousreply 523September 19, 2023 4:20 AM

[quote]With the gay rumors in this thread about Lee Majors and Peter Breck, we might as well complete the Big Valley trifecta and ask: were there ever any gay rumors about Richard Long?

Richard Long was not a fag, and I'm the dame who can prove it.

by Anonymousreply 524September 19, 2023 7:00 AM

Richard Long was married to Suzan Ball, Lucy’s cousin.

She underwent a leg amputation due to a tumor and then died of cancer at only 21.

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by Anonymousreply 525September 19, 2023 11:25 AM

I've often wondered about Kevin McCarthy (the actor, not that piece of dog shit in Washington). I know he had 2 long term marriages the produced children, but that doesn't prove anything. He was very close (if not best) friends with Montgomery Cliff. I read a book he wrote many years back and he talked about being in a city with Cliff when Cliff went missing during an outing. McCarthy said he searched high and low for him and finally found a gay sauna and decided to go in to see if he was in there. Oh boy was he in there. McCarthy said he found Montgomery in a room, naked, on his back on the floor and a group of naked men standing around him ejaculating all over him.

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by Anonymousreply 526September 19, 2023 3:38 PM

Likewise a long time ago (so the early 1980's) an older gent in NYC told me Monty was a regular at (I think) Badlands or one of the bars at Christopher and West Streets in the 1960's.

He said he'd seen him a number of times, fucked up and face down on the pool table taking load after load.

by Anonymousreply 527September 19, 2023 3:46 PM

That info was in the Patricia Bosworth bio of Monty.

by Anonymousreply 528September 19, 2023 3:49 PM

^ Monty's 50 Load Weekend

by Anonymousreply 529September 19, 2023 3:54 PM

Yeah, Bosworth described McCarthy as Clift's freind/caretaker/enabler, and I always wondered what kind of straight man would get into such a friendship.

So... gay as well?

by Anonymousreply 530September 19, 2023 4:12 PM

Monty Hall was gay?

by Anonymousreply 531September 19, 2023 4:43 PM

Does Joanna know?

by Anonymousreply 532September 19, 2023 4:45 PM


by Anonymousreply 533September 19, 2023 4:45 PM

That's a silly name, r524.

by Anonymousreply 534September 19, 2023 6:00 PM

r524 Which one: Phoebe Figalilly or Dick Long?

by Anonymousreply 535September 19, 2023 6:33 PM

[quote]I was shocked when I found out Raymond Burr was Gay. Truly.

I wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 536September 19, 2023 6:33 PM

Was Hopper gay?

by Anonymousreply 537September 19, 2023 6:50 PM

Yes, R537. He was also the son of gossip queen Hedda Hopper.

by Anonymousreply 538September 19, 2023 7:03 PM

R526, McCarthy was with Monty the night of his disfiguring car accident.

by Anonymousreply 539September 19, 2023 8:06 PM

Monty Clift, Kevin McCarthy, and McCarthy's wife Augusta Dabney were [italic]inseparable[/italic]. They often dined together, nightclubbed together, went on long trips together, etc., leading to many wink-wink rumors about the trio being in a ménage à trois.

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by Anonymousreply 540September 20, 2023 1:07 AM

That guy at R526 is a good looking daddy. Was he an actor?

by Anonymousreply 541September 20, 2023 1:26 AM

He is Melissa's father.

by Anonymousreply 542September 20, 2023 2:33 AM

^You sir are a liar. A big fat filthy LIAR!

by Anonymousreply 543September 20, 2023 1:25 PM

Does anyone know anything about Montgomery Clift's childhood or his parents, etc. Because in the picture at R540, it seems like the McCarthys were the closest thing he had to a family, where he could actually be himself and feel human. Times were tough back then for Gays.

by Anonymousreply 544September 20, 2023 1:30 PM

R544, This documentary by his nephew is excellent.

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by Anonymousreply 545September 20, 2023 1:34 PM

Clift was a child actor and did very well on Broadway from an early age, performing in many important productions, Like The Skin of our Teeth, with Tallulah.

by Anonymousreply 546September 20, 2023 1:36 PM

Don't forget La Liz. Miss Taylor was probably his closest female friend.

He had a twin sister (Ethel) who died in 2014 or 2015. And he had a younger brother (William), also an actor, who resembled his brother very much.

His father was the VP of a bank in Omaha (Clift's birthplace).

They were Quaker stock.

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by Anonymousreply 547September 20, 2023 1:40 PM

Cliff’s mother was a bigoted snob. Like Tyrone Power’s mother. And William Hopper’s mother too.

by Anonymousreply 548September 20, 2023 2:18 PM

[quote]Omaha (Clift's birthplace).

What a dump!

by Anonymousreply 549September 20, 2023 2:24 PM

R548, And Peter Lawford’s mother.

by Anonymousreply 550September 20, 2023 2:25 PM

[quote]Cliff’s mother was a bigoted snob.

Cliff who, dear? Huxtable?

by Anonymousreply 551September 20, 2023 2:30 PM

R541, You're kidding with the question, right?

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by Anonymousreply 552September 20, 2023 2:31 PM

Where's the huh part about Montgomery Clift?

by Anonymousreply 553September 20, 2023 4:24 PM

I thought McCarthy was the homophobe who abandoned Monty when he realized Monty was gay.

by Anonymousreply 554September 20, 2023 8:18 PM

[quote]Cliff’s mother was a bigoted snob. Like Tyrone Power’s mother. And William Hopper’s mother too.

R548 = Louella Parsons

by Anonymousreply 555September 20, 2023 9:27 PM

Louella was a bigoted snob.

by Anonymousreply 556September 20, 2023 10:03 PM

I had the distinct displeasure of young Henry Louis Gates as a professor at Cornell. Pompous blowhard QUEEN! Also had Cornel West as guest lecturer - GREAT FUN despite being a pompous blowhard. Quite likable. Seems like a queen to me.

by Anonymousreply 557September 20, 2023 10:49 PM

R547, William Brooks Clift, aka Brooks Clift, was Monty's older brother. He had a son, Jamison, with actress Kim Stanley.

Their mother Sunny was the illegitimate daughter of Woodbury Blair, son of Postmaster General Montgomery Blair, and Maria Latham Anderson, daughter of Civil War hero Robert Anderson. Sunny was adopted out and neither the Blairs nor the Andersons acknowleged her as their own. Sunny spent her life trying to convince everybody that she was of aristocratic lineage and raised her children as if they were. The Clift kids were raised in Europe and privately tutored until the Crash and Great Depression forced the family to move back to Omaha.

by Anonymousreply 558September 21, 2023 2:42 AM

R554, the McCarthys severed ties with Clift because he was a drug addict, whose behavior had become erratic, needy, and unbearable. When Clift endangered the life of their son, whom they left in his care, they were done with him.

Clift and newly divorced McCarthy briefly reunited on the set of The Misfits in 1961, but the camaraderie of the past was long gone.

by Anonymousreply 559September 21, 2023 2:59 AM

Joe Frazier

by Anonymousreply 560September 21, 2023 3:02 AM

Wouldn't surprise me after hearing his catty response to Muhammad Ali lighting the Olympic torch!

by Anonymousreply 561September 21, 2023 4:15 AM

R557 he has always given me those vibes. I could never warm up to him.

by Anonymousreply 562September 21, 2023 10:38 AM

I am super upset that Elliott Gould isn’t on tv regularly. He was EXTREMELY handsome. In the Life of Brian it was mentioned about Spencer Tracy, I think it was Biggus Dickus actually that said it

by Anonymousreply 563September 21, 2023 1:50 PM

No, r563. It was his wife Incontinentia. Incontinentia Buttox.

by Anonymousreply 564September 21, 2023 6:08 PM

My late Mom had a gay co-worker at a Federal agency back at the height of the Mccarthy era in the extremely homophobic 50's. She had to sign a buttload of affidavits swearing she was "not now nor was she ever a member of the Communist party".

My Mom became very close friends with him; they went on several platonic "dates", and he even took her to a gay bar once. She mentioned feeling very uncomfortable, as she was the only woman there. They left fairly quickly, as it was obvious the patrons were less than pleased by her presence.

Anyway, to get to the point, my Mom's friend was from San Francisco, and his ex-boyfriend had worked as part of the crew at a couple of the major studios in Hollywood in the forties and early to mid fifties. He knew all the gay dirt on all the big names.

Here are the names my Mom's friend told her.

Remember, this was way before the mainstream media even hinted at these actors being gay/bi.

Errol Flynn Rock Hudson Tyrone Power Van Johnson Peter Lawford Monty Clift Cary Grant Danny Kaye Laurence Olivier

Of course, several years later, all those names have been discussed as being gay/bi, except for one, who to my knowledge, has never been mentioned: Jerry Lewis.

My Mom's friend claimed it was well known in Hollywood circles that Lewis was gay, or at least bi.

Concerning Van, her friend told her that Van was picked up by the cops a couple of times for soliciting underage boys. The studio had to pay a fortune to hush things up and keep it out of the papers.

An extremely homophobic co-worker had it in for my Mom's friend. It goes without saying that even a hint of being gay in those days, especially at a Federal agency, would have been grounds for immediate termination.

Not sure how this other co-worker found out, as her friend was in the closet (or tried to be), but he approached my Mom one day and told her "Stay away from that fag if you know what's good for you".

My Mom told her friend, and out of a combination of a fear of being fired/outed, and a desire to return to SF to try and reconcile with his boyfriend, he quit and returned to SF.

My Mom and he continued to correspond for about a year. One day my Mom got a letter from his sister; her friend had committed suicide. My Mom was devastated. Although she denied it until the day she died, I'm convinced that despite his being gay, he was the true love of her life. I'm pretty sure she would have married him had he asked her. I even think she could have accepted his relationships with other men.

She kept his picture all those years later. He was very handsome; tall and well built. He had been a print model for Arrow shirts back in SF. He had a great sense of humor, and enjoyed my Mom's company immensely. He took her to all the hit shows, and the best restaurants and clubs.

My Mom wrote back to his sister and asked about the circumstances of his suicide; she never heard back. My Mom seemed to think he might have been despondent after breaking up with his boyfriend again.

I hope you all don't mind my sharing the above memories with you. Thank you for understanding.

by Anonymousreply 565September 21, 2023 8:55 PM

R565, Dean and Jerry showering.

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by Anonymousreply 566September 21, 2023 9:27 PM

[R530] You bet he was! Go to Bio of him on Wikipedia and the section on his Personal Life, the likes of Truman Capote(?) said they were LOVERS! Also, it mentions a long list of 'relationships' with actors and such, including the! young English actor Roddy MacDonald! (When Clift broke up with him, he contemplated: suicide!) My take on Monty he had a healthy streak of narcissism, and he couldn't find MR. RIGHT to fit his perception of a lover worthy of him! Too bad!

by Anonymousreply 567September 21, 2023 9:47 PM

R565. Thank you for sharing that story. We need to hear stories from our shared history, even if the people who lived them are gone. Maybe especially then

by Anonymousreply 568September 21, 2023 9:54 PM

^ I agree

by Anonymousreply 569September 21, 2023 10:09 PM

[quote]Also, it mentions a long list of 'relationships' with actors and such, including the! young English actor Roddy MacDonald!


by Anonymousreply 570September 21, 2023 10:20 PM

Roddy MacDonald. You know, in that film How Dusty Was My Butte. He was also in the Planet of the Monkeys film.

by Anonymousreply 571September 21, 2023 10:39 PM

"My Mom's friend claimed it was well known in Hollywood circles that Lewis was gay, or at least bi."

Lewis had six or seven children. I'm going to rule out Gaaaaay.

by Anonymousreply 572September 21, 2023 11:34 PM

Sheesh I know plenty of gay men who fucked their wives and raised families. Old school.

by Anonymousreply 573September 21, 2023 11:47 PM

As for Lewis, I don't think he was gay with that many kids, but Bi is a distinct possibility.

I heard an extended interview with him on "Fresh Air", and he started going on about his feelings for Dean Martin, said repeatedly that "I loved him". "I really loved him" and so on, and then he'd say that it was in a platonic or spiritual sense or some such bullshit. He sounded like he'd been truly in love when he was younger and couldn't act on it or even admit it to himself at the time, but had come to accept his feelings in his old age, and even talk about them in public, when the times were more understanding and he was too old to worry about a career.

by Anonymousreply 574September 22, 2023 12:09 AM

I saw Van Johnson in La Cage on Broadway. Could not even carry a tune. Embarrassing. I don't know how Arthur Laurents ok'd his casting especially after he fired Robert Stack.

by Anonymousreply 575September 22, 2023 12:11 AM

For years I have loved reading the gossip and scandals of old Hollywood. As I recall, It was pretty common knowledge that Van Johnson was Gay. Tyrone Power was Bi, but probably leaning Gay. After all, he had an affair with Judy Garland and was hurt when she refused to marry him. Errol Flynn wasn't Gay. He was a wild, hard drinking prankster. Never heard any rumors about Jerry Lewis. I just could not stand him or his movies, because of of his brand of slapstick comedy. Now Peter Lawford was a complete mess and Gay, Gay, Gay. No wonder Pat LAwford was a drunk.

by Anonymousreply 576September 22, 2023 3:13 AM

Weird. I watch old episodes of “Password” with Peter Lawford. I don’t get a gay vibe from him.

by Anonymousreply 577September 22, 2023 6:16 AM

He's British which sounds gay.

by Anonymousreply 578September 22, 2023 6:18 AM

Peter Lawford What's My Line?

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by Anonymousreply 579September 22, 2023 6:20 AM

Wasn’t Hugh O’Brian supposed to be gay? I would never have guessed Mr. Hairy Chest was one of us after watching the 1960’s version of “And Then There Were None”.

by Anonymousreply 580September 22, 2023 6:32 AM

R579, to me Lawford always seemed like a slightly obnoxious straight boy who loved attention.

by Anonymousreply 581September 22, 2023 6:35 AM

Oops. The correct title was “Ten Little Indians” (1965).

by Anonymousreply 582September 22, 2023 6:42 AM

R571 Don’t you mean Roddy McDowell?

by Anonymousreply 583September 22, 2023 7:26 AM

[quote]He's British which sounds gay.

Being British is gay adjacent.

by Anonymousreply 584September 22, 2023 7:39 AM

[quote]Wasn’t Hugh O’Brian supposed to be gay? I would never have guessed Mr. Hairy Chest was one of us after watching the 1960’s version of “And Then There Were None”.

Hugh O'Brian married for the first and only time when he was 81 years old, 10 years before his death. Perhaps that was the source of some of the gay rumors, that such a good-looking man wasn't married until the last 10 years of his life.

by Anonymousreply 585September 22, 2023 7:45 AM

Flynn may have been mainly straight but I thought it was known that he and Capote fucked--unless that ws more of Truman's lying.

by Anonymousreply 586September 22, 2023 8:56 AM

And didn’t David Niven accuse Errol of making a pass at him?

by Anonymousreply 587September 22, 2023 1:19 PM

R575-Laurents did not fire Robert Stack. He berated Stack in front of the entire company during a rehearsal and Stack quit on the spot, after telling Arthur to go fuck himself.

by Anonymousreply 588September 22, 2023 1:53 PM

R588, Could Robert Stack sing?

by Anonymousreply 589September 22, 2023 2:12 PM

Peter Lawford was in the closet, shoved to the very back of the closet by his mother and his handlers when he was making a movie with June Allyson. He was marked for stardom as one of the posh leading men Hollywood was so fond of, but he just missed it, never got as big as he was first destined to be. Sinatra kept his career going for a while, but after JFK ditched Sinatra, Sinatra ditched Peter. I read a biography of LAwford, and his mother was a real piece of work. She knew he was Gay, but she was determined to keep his career on track. She was meddlesome and overbearing. She completely dominated him. I remember one story vividly where Peter used to go down to Santa Monica to the beach to hang out and swim with a group of young men, and have sex. When the studio got wind of it, he was reigned in quickly. As he got older he fell into drugs and alcohol in a big way. He was the one who introduced Elizabeth Taylor to the used car salesman who supplied him with drugs. Peter was into alcohol, pills, and cocaine.

by Anonymousreply 590September 22, 2023 2:24 PM

R590, Henry Wynberg

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by Anonymousreply 591September 22, 2023 2:43 PM

Peter Lawford and Sal Mineo were fuckbuddies during the lengthy 3 month shoot of "Exodus" (1960) in Israel and Cyprus.

Maureen O'Hara claimed in her autobiography that, while filming "Kangaroo" (1952) in Australia, her co-stars, Lawford and Richard Boone (!), were arrested in a gay brothel "full of beautiful boys."

Of course, Lawford also had his many dalliances with the glamour stars of MGM, including Lana Turner, who claimed he was a lousy lover.

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by Anonymousreply 592September 22, 2023 3:15 PM

Duke Ellington. Yes, Duke Ellington, the legendary composer was Gay. So was George Gershwin. WE are so focused on Cole Porter we forget these two.

by Anonymousreply 593September 22, 2023 3:15 PM

R589-Of course not.

by Anonymousreply 594September 22, 2023 3:21 PM

You could spot Van Johnson's gayness from outer space, but Keenan Wynn's surprised me. Of the whole Van-Evie-Keenan saga, Papa Ed Wynn commented, "I can't keep them straight. Evie loves Keenan. Keenan loves Evie. Van loves Evie. Evie loves Van. Van loves Keenan. Keenan loves Van."

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by Anonymousreply 595September 22, 2023 3:36 PM

George Tobias. He played Abner Kravit in Bewitched but was hot when younger.

by Anonymousreply 596September 22, 2023 3:40 PM

R592, Lawford gave Elizabeth Taylor her first screen kiss.

by Anonymousreply 597September 22, 2023 4:37 PM

Elder gays will recall the brouhaha in the media when Peter Lawford married Mary Rowan, the 21 year old daughter of Dan “Laugh-In” Rowan, who was furious about the marriage.

by Anonymousreply 598September 22, 2023 4:40 PM

R597 I didn't realize that! Which movie?

by Anonymousreply 599September 22, 2023 4:44 PM

R587, I thought he said that Flynn making a pass at him is what ended their friendship

by Anonymousreply 600September 22, 2023 5:16 PM
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