Real Housewives of New York City: Season 14

I watched the first season of Real Housewives of the OC about a hundred years ago. That's it.

How people can continue to watch this dreck is beyond me. Can't you watch DOOL or All My Chirren or Sesame Street or something? These "housewives" shows are filled with irritating and unpleasant people.

I knew there would be a thread! Ok, halfway through the episode and I'm loving these young cunts and their gorgeous apartments. But we're Jenna's teeth always that big?

What's up with that ugly assed J. Crew bitch with the glasses and her sagging titties always flopping out?

She looks like the girl from Not Another Teen Movie.

I watched. I actually enjoyed it. I hate the all white apartments. I loved Jenna Lyons apartment. So far I don't hate anyone.

I’m intrigued by Jenna Lyons.

The J Crew lesbian needs to decide who she is trying to be. I’m like, who are you? Are you Farrah Fawcett? Are you Susan Sontag? Are you Dua Lipa? Decide.

Whatever the problem is, removing those aviators is the solution.

What restaurant did they keep bleeping?

Just saw it on demand, I'll be watching.

It feels fresher, more relevant and a level playing field by going all in on a newer, younger cast instead of shoehorning in a new cast member who'll just get bullied by the grandmas into becoming a one season wonder.

I liked the cast enough, we'll see how I feel by the end of the season.

I'm assuming this is a test for something they'll possibly implement on other Housewives franchises. If done right in terms of casting I think it's a great way to reinvigorate Housewives.

The restaurant is called Catch. I liked it... no one really stands out as a favorite but I'm interested in seeing where it goes. I appreciate that there is some real estate porn happening.

r2 Her teeth are literally dentures. She suffered from incontinentia pigmenti, a genetic disorder which scarred her skin, caused her hair to fall out in patches, and caused her teeth to be malformed.

I’ll put a bet down that Jessel is first to get a divorce.

I don't understand. Most of these women haven't even gone through menopause yet.

I assumed the restaurant was Chili’s

Jenna Lyons has been called “Denturella” behind her back for years.

I appreciate that they aren’t screaming like Leah or lecturing like Ebony. And no crusty vaginas like racist Ramona.

R15. Did you know RatMona defecates during vaginal sex?

Was Jenna Lyons a guest judge on Project Runway at some point? I feel like I’ve seen her somewhere before.

R17, she was the female lead in Not Another Teen Movie.

Jessel's husband going on a trip to Vietnam alone is a huge red flag. I mean, if I had to live with a harpy who alternated between shrieking and speaking down to me, I'd be putting my dick elsewhere but heterosexual sex tourism is just gross.

R19 who said it was heterosexual?

I know it’s to be expected this point, but it felt very fake to me. All of the women seem like they were trying really really hard to create television. I also hate how they’ve completely given up the idea that any of these casts knew each other beforehand.

By the way, the school that Jessel is talking about in the promo clip is the (for profit) Avenues school, which is not at all prestigious. It’s considered a school for rich kids who don’t get in anywhere else.

They sort of seem like basic sorority girls to me - like the big underlying conflict seemed to be about some of them refusing to go to a dinner at a circa 2013 scene restaurant lest someone post a group photo to Instagram and they look uncool? I mean, I guess…it does makes me miss the unabashed weirdness of early RHONY - ie. Jill and Ramona terrorizing each other via tennis dates and private cooking classes, Ally taking a private plane to fat camp, Simon and Alex talking about making meaningful eye contact with strangers at the opening of the Metropolitan Opera. But I don’t think that is the sort of stuff that can be replicated on reality TV in 2023.

Speaking of sorority girl basics, my suspicion is that for all her titty pillows and late in life lesbianism, Jenna “on Wednesdays we wear khaki” Lyons is going to turn out to be the biggest offender on that front.

Jessel seems especially stiff and frauish, but then I guess Luann did too fifteen years ago and we all saw how that turned out.

Chanel Ayan from Dubai should sue Ubah for total personality theft.

Robots, all of them. There is an authenticity that has vanished in personalities over the last 6 years and slowly began in the late 2000s. A splintered self image, as if everything were only to be viewed by others. These women are boring and, other than Jenna, all their houses look like sanitariums.

The very performative redhead (Bryn?) is giving me millennial Demi Moore in St. Elmo’s Fire vibes. I’m fully expecting her to have a completely fabricated existence and to attempt suicide via chilly wind blowing through draperies in her second season.

Jenna’s house looks uncomfortable. She has bad taste. The furniture is too short for the size of the apartment, its fixtures and ceilings. It’s a mess, she looks like a rich hoarder. She has predatory lesbian vibes too.

Nice little CDAN dig at Andy Cohen about RHONY reboot.

CDAN is correct. For all of his alleged "savvy," Cohen has been wrong numerous times about the RH franchises and his casting choices. And most of his non-RH projects have been complete failures.

Jenna with the chair in her dressing room that you can’t actually sit in without falling through kind of says it all. That sort of shit is the “cool girl” version of nana’s good furniture in the front room that you aren’t allowed to sit in.

R27 Andy should be fired already

Jenna is quirky and intriguing. She's been on a few other reality shows and always seemed a little shy but genuine. I like her.

Erin feels like she belongs on a Million Dollar Listing franchise, at best.

Is the new RHONY popular? I thought they only aired one episode.

I like Jenna the rest of them seem like dumb skanks

R23 Chanel and Ubah are cousins!

The affectation of everything is too high.

I actually teared up with that shoe closet. Jesus christ I have envy

I have never done drag or cross-dressed, but I was envious of Jenna’s clothes closet and all those shoes.

The whole apartment, I could move right in but the closet! I WOULD DIET!!!

I hope the show is a huge hit just to piss off Ramona and Dorinda.

Let be roommates, rescue chick!

*Let’s

YES r40! but, I am bringing my little gazebo and plants fyi!

It’s probably popular since they are all under 50. The old hags of past seasons can F off.

Jenna is 55, but Ramona is in her 80’s.

That’s fine rescue-chick, I love looking at plants even though I always manage to kill them! We will have to get rid of Jenna’s stupid chair, though.

Jenna played a version of herself on Girls, r17, and she had a little-known reality show on HBO called Stylish where they tried to find her an assistant. I wonder how much money she actually has.

Jenna and Erin have real jobs. That's a first for the NY Housewives.

Jenna doesn't have a real job, thats why she took this job.

Is "Jenna" the same Jenna from the original Housewives of the OC?

If so, I would think she's on grandma duty by now.

Ramona was still running her business selling overstock clothing to off-price department stores for the first several years of the RHONY - “I make my own money. I find that an aphrodisiac!”

Ramona is an asshole by any standard, but she was a hardworking woman, and even if she didn’t like to admit it at the time, she was the one making all the money in her marriage.

Brynn got really annoying really fast. She’s trying too hard.

The only thing Ramona works is her fat ugly mouth. Yap, yap, yap.

Bravo NBCU are vampires

I wouldn't believe a word Jill says. She's the thirstiest bitch on BRAVO.

Jill Zarin is a beautiful and authentic human being.

I can't imagine Jenna lasting more than one season. She seems perplexed by these women she's being forced to spend time with.

R56. She always acts bewildered with the undercurrent of being “too cool for school”…until her dentures go flying out of her mouth. 🫢😬

Is Jenna on the spectrum?

Surely someone on DL has worked with Jenna or knows someone who has. Would love to know what it was like.

R59 hell on earth. Passive-aggressive on a nuclear level and you better acquiesce to all her demands and assimilate to her image of you immediately.

R60. Amen to THAT. She’s a HORROR

I liked the second episode. Jenna (love her or hate her) is the centerpiece of the show. Erin's home was beautiful. It's fun.

Can't stand Jenna

The black chick is fucking annoying too

R64. Amen. She’s a pain in the ass

I will either wind up loving or loathing Ubah but right now I like her. Erin is too uptight for the easy breezy she's trying for. Sai, no thank you.

I adore Jenna. I want to be her friend, she's awesome.

Erin’s Hamptons place is just a millennial version of Ramona’s dreary all-white McMansion decor.

This cast is not working for me. They are all trying too hard. Jenna seems like someone I’d like in real life but she doesn’t really seem like she wants to be there. There is no pretense of friendship among any of them, so what the fuck is the point?

Everyone is trying for their moment and it feels so forced. That said, it's still early days and I hope that more organic interactions occur as they all get to know each other. It's a nice departure having two women who don't drink at all, considering this used to be a show about hard-drinking women.

Jenna needs to abandon whatever Wes Anderson fantasy she is trying to force and just be real. I wonder if she will be able to drop the pretense; she gives off serious Radziwell energy so I think the cool-girl act won't ever be abandoned.

R69 is she a real life Princess? No. Does she like undergrad cock? No.

She’s no competition.

After seeing ep 2 I completely agree with R66 that Erin is too uptight for the easy breezy she's trying for.

I think Jenna would be my favorite person out of all of them in real life but she seems too introverted/awkward for reality TV. I have a feeling Bravo worked hard to convince Jenna to do it and built the show around her, but after actually doing it I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't want to come back.

What excites me is that I feel like resentment is starting to brew between the girls which will lead to fights and confrontations down the road.

Sai seems like a desperate fashion victim. That awful black strapless thing she wears in her talking head. Or the denim with the bra stitching that doesn't fit her. Then there is the tragic look she wore on WWHL, where she stated that as a NYer she has very high standards and cannot be seen in a restaurant that isn't currently trendy. Girl, you grew up in Brooklyn and not the good part.

They are all too fashion influencer to me. Like their lives look exhaustingly curated. Not aspirational, just exhausting.

r72, word. on the street is that all, her clothes are borrowed. also, I am suspicious of her actually living in thT home- her daughter didn't know where the dishes went.

Sai obviously grew up eating government cheese - on Bravo that’s inevitably the type that makes a big song and dance about their “rider” when showing up at someone’s house and it’s always the most jumped up housewives who make the biggest stink about refusing to carry their own luggage up the stairs lest they look poor and unfeminine.

I’ll co-sign rescue-chick and bet my bottom dollar that Sai doesn’t own anywhere and that brownstone (with the rental grade kitchen) was procured for filming purposes.

Sai has a beautiful studio apt in Bushwick.

Sai’s husband is the one who doesn’t even work, non?

truly horrifying casting, specially the tall skiinny smarmy one with big blak glasses.

This cast will wear thin fast.

Bethenny Frankel is pretty fearless. You know the Bravo execs and that hanger-on Andy Cohen are so pissed at her.

Bethany is desperately trying to become some kind of Granny beauty influencer recommending drugstore beauty products.

Did she lose all her money in a fire or something?

BF has the dirt on AC. He won’t fuck with her.

I watched again and was rather bored. I'll keep watching to see if it improves though. Watching guests arrive for 40 minutes so they could each have an entrance is not riveting TV. I also liked that there are two non-drinkers on the show.

I didn't miss the one who wasn't there tonight, Brynn. If anyone is trying too hard it's Brynn. I liked her better by the end of the last episode, when she and Erin made up in the closet after that ridiculous fight. Still, she's pretty annoying.

Sai - Get over yourself girl. You look like shit in that stupid black thing that show's a vast expanse of flat chest.

Ubah - Don't hate her.

Erin - She seems like a normal person. I don't mind her.

Jessel - She did look absolutely horrible in that hideous turquoise and black nightie. In part I believe she ranted about how ugly it was because it did not flatter her at all. She probably feels insecure and unsexy after popping out twins and being in mommy mode. The others should have left her alone about her sex life. Although it may be weird that nothing's going on, I don't like to see people pressure others about their sex lives.

Jenna - I like her. I think she'll stay. I like that she's open about what a hot mess she is with an unwell recently dead mother and some very challenging health issues of her own. I love her apartment, she's certainly got style. I do hope she sticks around because she's the most interesting in the lot. I can also understand staying quiet about her private life. Not all partners of these women want to be on TV. There have been others whose partners remained out of sight.

Two episodes in and these women are still boring.

The only one who really stands out is that Jenna woman from J. Crew, and for all the wrong reasons. Good God, she's unattractive. And she has all the personality of a piece of balsa wood. Just odd overall.

The rest of 'em? Snooze city, although I do want to punch the "influencer" in the face.

They may all be trying to dance attendance on her now, but Jenna is going to get at most half a season before the other women decide she is guilty of the mortal housewives sin of “that bitch thinks she’s better than me!” and turn on her.

The Housewives franchise as a platform has such potential to showcase funny, witty women who otherwise wouldn't be in the public eye, but time and again it's squandered by the lowest common denominator they can scrape together. At least the pre-reboot cast of RHONY had quirks and personalities formed around life experiences that made them authentic. Caught a few seconds of WWHL the other day and thought what a wasted opportunity it was-- imagine a world where AC wasn't a vapid prick and curated groups of intelligent, interesting women from around the country and brought them to his talk show for stimulating conversation, ala Dick Cavett. Doesn't seem like a lot to ask for, and yet.

I read an article on Jenna Lyons. Her hair is a wig and her teeth are fake. She has scars all over her body from some genetic illness she has. She fully admits it. "I paid a lot for this hair and teeth," she said.

Andy Cohen is no Dick Cavett. The kind of guests you imagine wouldn't be having interesting conversations with Andy Cohen, R86. That is way, way WAY too much to ask. He's not capable of the kind of thought provoking, intelligent talk that you imagine. The kind of guests you envision would have no interest in sitting down with Andy Cohen.

A smart chat show is a good idea. Andy Cohen is not the man to lead it. I think he'd probably admit that himself.

R87. Jenna addressed that in episode 2. Actually, Jenna addressed a lot in episode 2. She seems like the most real and grounded out of the whole bunch.

Andy is a gross self-promoter, but he did fall on a lucrative formula: film women who drink a lot and fight. He’s trash.

By circumstance my circle of friends includes a lot of rich NYC women, some of them bold names. Not a single one would even consider doing this show. I think NYC is probably particularly difficult to cast for this reason. It has actual socialites, old school clubs and private schools that will not allow their members to participate, etc. I also think it’s what makes Beverly Hills so strong is because there, everyone is allowed to be a famewhore. It’s a virtue.

R90 ANDY COHEN DID NOT COME UP WITH THE IDEA FOR RH!!!

He just attached himself and is a free loader.

I think Andy has a misogynist streak and enjoys watching the women humiliate themselves.

Seriously, outing Jennifer's husband for cheating on the RHofNJ was cruel. Yes, she's an annoying bitch but she has children and a family to explain all that to. Still, she's tough and looks like her theory is "living well is the best revenge." Like Teresa, she'll milk the Housewives cash cow until there isn't a drop left. I can't blame her, many people are humiliated on the job but at least this women are paid well.

R93 woman scorned. He should watch his ass, one of these crazy bitches is going to get on a mission to ruin him eventually. He’s a Gatsby when it comes to his role at the network and actual power. The house of cards will tumble at some point and all these looney cunts from the last nearly 20 years will pile on with everything they’ve got on him. A reckoning is brewing.

It’s truly hilarious how AC acts like he’s doing God’s work, but the show is just a trashy soap opera that ruins people’s actual real lives.

Is Bethenny Frankel's daughter a Housewife yet?

[quote]I read an article on Jenna Lyons. Her hair is a wig and her teeth are fake. She has scars all over her body from some genetic illness she has. She fully admits it. "I paid a lot for this hair and teeth," she said.

On the season finale, will she yank off the wig and throw her teeth on the table (before flipping it over) and yell, " The only thing fake about me is THIS...AND THIS"

Erin’s “Hamptons” house looks like it was decorated from HomeGoods with a few big Pottery Barn pieces. The all white sanitarium walls are disgusting.

These affectation robots are boring. They just sit around and vocal fry.

I see the fluorescent CVS cinematography is back this season.

I believe that has fake teeth, but that’s a wig?? It seems too thin and haphazard for a wig.

Andy is just like a Housewife. There is no one in NY who wanted to be famous more desperately than AC.

Finally got around to watching episode two. Good God, Sai is so rude, annoying and such a fucking fake. You're an "influencer," you're not curing cancer. Get over yourself. Jenna is a flat-out weirdo, but also the most interesting, plus she's a zillion times more stylish than try-hard Sai.

New episode tonight!

I'm really into this show. Episode 3 was terrific. Jenna is still Queen Bee (and fabulous) and it was interesting hearing about Sai and Brynn's childhoods. I still don't hate any of them.

This was really smart to reboot NYC with a new cast. Sonja and Luann are fun and so is their new show, but I don’t ever need to see Ramona,Dorinda,Bethenney, etc, ever again.

Jenna is so interesting to me. Erin is funny. Ubah and Jessel are fine so far. Not sold yet on the other two.

Brynn and Sai are duds.

Jenna Lyons has dentures, but they look GREY. Uh, wouldn’t you DO SOMETHING about that??

Brynn is trying way too hard and I don’t believe this while “influencer” thing with Sai.

I suspect there will be some real messiness down the line with Jessel.

You KNOW Leah McSweeney wishes she had been a part of this cast instead of the geriatric one.

I like this season so far, but I don't understand why they're just mingling with each other.

One of my favorite things about the original RHONY cast is that, as Jill said in her original tagline, "I run with a fabulous circle of friends."

These new ladies are just hanging out with each other, which is boring.

The fun part of RHONY were the various parties, and fundraisers, and events that the women attended, and the crazy cast of extras that they brought into the fold.

Show us the fabulous life!

Hint: It's not sitting around a dinner table with each other, playing silly "What would you do?" type of kids games.

It was nice to hear Sai's background story. It's actually pretty cool.

What's cool (and different) about this cast, is that they pretty much admit who they are and where they come from, which is very different from "The Countess" and "Sonya Morgan of the JP Morgan family."

These new ladies are pretty authentic, and I like it.

I can actually see Jenna shopping in a dollar store. As far as her dentures go as we age so do our teeth and they get dingy. When I got dentures my dentist asked if I wanted a brighter white and I said God no because they would look ridiculous against my old face. So, he matched the color of my teeth before they were yanked and they look much more natural.

It might turn out to be okay, but I really don’t think they cast this well. This cast seems like pretenders, and not just because they are new. I felt like the Potomac ladies, for instance, were stars from episode one. Same goes for most of the new BH additions. Even Crystal, while a little boring in the beginning, seemed like she belonged and you didn’t see the sweatiness. With these women, excepting Jenna who is basically in her own show, you can see the effort they are putting into trying to play the Housewives role.

The early seasons of the housewives shows that were magic will never be duplicated.

I don't get the impression that any of these women knew each other before being cast on the show

Fake Housewives. Uh-huh. Oh, they're "new" fake housewives - that must be so much better!

At least some of them are actual “wives”…the last several seasons of original crispy recipe RHONY was all unmarried women.

I'd be embarrassed to tell anyone I was an influencer.

What does that even mean except your being paid to shill products?

I'd be embarrassed to tell anyone I was an "influencer" or a "real housewife" for that matter.

People seem too critical. Any group will need time to gel and bond. The original NY housewives were phonies, pretending they were important and in the social scene. At least these women do things and are independent.

That's all it means, R118.

[quote]The fun part of RHONY were the various parties, and fundraisers, and events that the women attended, and the crazy cast of extras that they brought into the fold.

Agreed. But as time unfolded, most of these events/locations wouldn't be caught dead letting RHONY cameras taint their brand. That's why it's all staged crap now and anyone in the background is a hired hand that signed a waiver.

The more I see of Erin's face, the less attractive she is. And of course, she donated to Trump.

I think Ubah is my favorite so far. I really want to like Erin but donating to the Trump campaign is inexcusable.

If that's true, then fuck Erin

Yikes-she donated to Dump AFTER the 2020 election. So, fuck her.

Yeah, fuck her and her shitty one ply toilet paper.

Erin Maralago

Ugh and I actually liked Erin.

On the plus side, at least Eboni isn't there to make Erin's politics the focus of every fucking episode.

Everything about this season seems so inauthentic and performative. It feels like all these women are just trying to out-outrageous each other. I especially despise that big-lipped whore Brynn. Everything about her screams, "Look at me act kooky!"

And I doubt Ubah was ever any kind of top model. She has an odd, pudgy face. Not a bit attractive. And also a shameless attention whore.

That whole dinner scene where they just sat around and told sordid stories about their sex lives. So cringeworthy and so unnecessary..

They should so some kind of "Jenna Takes Over" show where she meets up with slovenly people and has to give them wardrobe makeovers.

Jenna has terrible taste and style. In fact, all these women do.

It's weird to me that they've completely ditched the pretense that these women have any connection to one another outside of the show itself. That's why it feels totally performative - because it is.

Erin’s “explanation” is so 2023 elder millennial. She takes no ownership of the fact that she did in fact make these easily verifiable donations, and made them at the very specific time period that she did. She just gaslights and acts like we shouldn’t believe our lying eyes, and if we do so we are “haters.”

Brynn is so annoying. She has made throwing herself at men her entire personality. I would love to watch a day in the life of Jenna. I want to see her date, work, meet her friends. I’m fascinated by her.

Jenna has predatory lez vibes. Very Paula Poundstone.

R136 She gives me the creeps. There's so much that's so off about her.

Vulture compared Jenna to Mary Cosby from Salt Lake City. Both of them are strange, come from a traumatic background, are awkward socially, and don’t completely understand the show. And yet both of them are utterly watchable.

If Jenna wasn’t here this show would be a lot less interesting.

R138 the other ones are like robots and the black girl is too sweet and innocent to be there.

[quote]So cringeworthy and so unnecessary

That pretty much sums up the entire Real Housewives franchise at this point.

[quote]Yikes-she donated to Dump AFTER the 2020 election. So, fuck her.

Ugh, now I'll enjoy it when Ubah gets in her face later in the season.

What kind of dumb as dirt person donated to Fuckface von Clownstick after he lost in 2020?

Unless.... maybe she's a true believer. Where was she on January Sixth?

I keep reading that the women were not friends before filming and everything seems forced. To me, even if they just met, they seem like a believable friend group. The multi dinners and the back and forth questions are a good way to get to know them. They only one who sticks out is weirdly adorable Jenna but that's ok. I'm enjoying it.

[quote] What kind of dumb as dirt person donated to Fuckface von Clownstick after he lost in 2020?

Jews.

They think that Trump is their lord and savior, because he "stands with Israel."

But then there are the numerous times he has supported white supremacists, racists, and the Aryan brotherhood.

He doesn't give a shit about Jewish people.

R144 What the fuck does that mean?

Can you imagine waking up to the Walmart cinematography lighting? Between that and all the basic bitches with their white sanitarium walls, watching one of these shows at night is blinding now.

The indoor lighting on S14 NYC is brighter than S1 OC outside.

Brynnnnnn’s voice is obnoxious and her skin is ruddy.

Brynnn looks like a ragamuffin

If Erin donated to trump it's because she's in real estate, developing and flipping properties. For pukes like her it's all about the tax cuts and trump was especially kind to real estate developers, as that is his own (or was) business.

I have a couple of real estate investments and to my surprise (I did it for the equity), even when honest, there are great tax breaks to be had. Cheats like trump don't pay taxes at all.

R149 Don't blame her sick support of Trump on her livelihood.

Most Jews are Democrats who loathe and despise Dump. Don't get it twisted.

I've just watched the first three episodes and so far, so good. It's certainly different, but the old dynamic has become so hideous that almost any change would have to be for the better.

The black women on the show are just there to be people, not to educate anybody, which is great. Two of the women don't drink at all, and the others at least so far don't seem to be out of control alcoholics, like most of the NYC women for the past dozen or so years. Another improvement.

There's relatively little screaming so far and no violence, which is pretty another change for the better. I no longer feel embarrassed to be watching this show.

Hope it continues this way, with some narrative tension but no drunken antics or completely over the top fights.

R152 LMAO like people will just watch a reality show about people being “friends” and hanging out with no drama. People live for psychotic drama, anyone who acts like these are aspirational fun friendly shows are nuts.

You can have narrative tension and conflict without people flipping tables, screaming over and charging towards each other, R153. The Housewives shows did just that for their first few years until tacky Teresa on NJ changed the tone for the worse. Housewives shows can have drama without resembling WWE bouts.

Bethanny would have lost her shit on anyone calling for a strike when SHE was trying to get famous and rich from the show

Three episode in and the ratings are in the toilet. 450,000 viewers is like Real Housewives of Dallas when it was in its death throes bad - even Dubai did better than this. Given how heavily promoted it was by the network, the Bravo brass must be absolutely cringing.

I’m not sure the legacy cast can really sustain season-long arcs anymore, but I would just sunset RHONY as a traditional “film for months to get15 episodes and a three part reunion” franchise and do “film for ten days to get 5 episode” mini-seasons with a rotating cast of the original franchise women. Do two weeks in the Hamptons during the summer season (dead god, no more Hamptons trips in gray November anymore!); do a thanksgiving week at Dorinda’s dark energy Clue Mansion; rent them a bungalow in South Florida for a couple of weeks in February and let them go full Golden Girls.

No more Berserkshires, please. Dear God, I've had enough of that place and Dorinda as well.

The Housewives are over. BH might hold for awhile, and the other franchises might do stunt casting but the authenticity is gone and you can’t get it back. This the beginning of the end.

I don’t like or love any of the new cast. They’re all just robots.

“RHONY 🍎 Ratings continue to slide for the reboot of The Real Housewives of New York,” they wrote, sharing that the first three episodes brought in live viewers as follows.

Episode 1: 672,000

Episode 2: 506,000

Episode 3: 452,000

The outlet also revealed that The Real Housewives of Atlanta, which aired in the 8:00 time slot ahead of RHONY, brought in 808,000 live viewers.

Bravo has always thrown the most money at New York and Beverly Hills, and neither has brought in the ratings that Atlanta has brought in.

Yet they have always treated Atlanta like the ugly step child, instead of giving it the recognition it deserves.

Now Bravo is STILL promoting RHONY to death, and getting nothing back from it.

GOOD!

To quote ShaNayNay Leakes:

[quote] You never can win when you're dirty, honey!

*glaring at Andy Cohen*

They need to fire Dandy Cohen

Nobody has been better paid than the Atlanta housewives (and no cast has gotten more spin-offs).

Hell, even Cynthia was making almost a million more season than Bethenny.

Atlanta was appointment reality TV back in its golden era, but it’s become a shell of its former self. This season has been especially dire.

R163 black viewers are propping it up.

Nothing has happened on NYC. Absolutely zero. People arguing about restaurants and missed breakfasts isn’t interesting. It just doesn’t work.

Yeah, I think it was always pretty obvious that in addition to being rightfully popular with the regular Bravo audience who watch basically all the franchises, Atlanta also had a significant infusion of Black viewers who didn’t really watch the then all-white casts.

It’s just a bit of a head scratcher to me when people claim they have been badly treated compared to RHONY when by every metric - salaries, trip budgets, spin offs etc. they way out pace them.

It’s a horrible cast. People are trying to get behind it because a lot of the usual gays and girls want it to be good. But so far it’s not. Even Jenna, who is the most compelling, is not a great cast member because she’s so clearly on a different show. It doesn’t work we RHONY.

I'm one of those gays who wants it to be good R167! It's only three weeks in, and it feels unfair to compare it to a show that ran for over a decade. Also, the original reviews and recaps of RHONY were not kind! That's when they were still calling them wannabe socialites and RHOC copies.

This is why you can't do WOKE diversity stunt casting.

It just doesn't work, if the cast has no previous relationship with each other.

It doesn't work for reality television and it doesn't work for scripted shows and movies, either.

The entertainment industry today is trying so hard to diversify everything by force, which results in something akin to putting a square peg in a round hole.

People know when something is inauthentic, and they just won't watch.

But they were wannabe socialites, R168. That’s what reviewers didn’t get. These women were what we call strivers, and they are all over NYC. But they also had organic connections through their kids and whatnot. It worked because it was all less contrived.

I've never seen anyone more contrived before or since than the van Kempens.

I’d be willing to bet that this cast does not make it past a season. Not all of them, at least.

Sorry Brynn, apparently Bethenny was a fan of Craft!

They’re all boring. A bunch of greedy, entitled Incest survivors who are working out their mental illness over cocktails and shopping.

It’s like the funhouse mirror reflection of the misbegotten Ron DeSantis presidential campaign strategy of over-valuing wayyyyy too online opinion.

A very loud and chronically online portion of the fan base basically wanted RHONY to be like peak Atlanta but starring AOC, Lauren Santo Domingo, Amal Clooney and the Queen of Wakanda - which isn’t actually feasible and so instead we six attractive thirtysomething strangers from all the required ethnic groups having boring “outrageous” icebreaker conversations about sex and competing about who can be the most curated in front of Jenna Lyons.

Did Ultimate Girls Trip Season 3 already air? I remember seeing a trailer and then crickets.

Brandi Glanville ruined it for everyone, R176.

When she sexually assaulted Caroline Manzo in the bathroom, it sort of threw the whole "Ultimate Girls Trip" thing into chaos, because Bravo and the producers of the show were scared that their asses would be sued into oblivion for creating a "dangerous" environment for the cast.

I guess no one thought that one of the former housewives would turn out to be a sexual predator towards other housewives.

UGT Season 3 was completely forgettable. The Miami drunk ladies, the Mormon cousins, Leah from RHONY....all third-tier bitches. Brandi and Caroline (and OG Alex McCord!) are in season 4.

RHUGT3 already aired. It was the season with Leah and Porsha. It was easy to miss.

After UGT 2, which was fantastic albeit a total asshole convention, UGT 3 was a total dud. Leah endlessly complaining about her heavy flow, those goosey Cubans from Miami, Gizelle doing her world’s oldest AKA pledge master act, late addition Porsha acting like she was doing the world a favour by filming, Heather Gay’s creepy Uriah Heep obsequiousness. They all ended up getting upstaged by their butler.

I don't see how they can air the Manzo/Glanville UGT. They would have to address the allegations of assault and, legally, that may not be a wise thing to do.

They put Heather and Whitney on a plane to Bangkok right after filming concluded on Salt Lake, but before the reunion.

You can’t do that with these bitches-they need to get it all out, screaming at each other in front of Andy, then let them marinate in their thoughts before bringing them back together.

Vicki was on WWHL last night and she was cagey about discussing UGT4-it’s been pushed back to next year so the litigation must be ongoing.

Brandi is an idiot, she was poised to return to Beverly Hills before this, and now she’s probably banned from Bravo.

We are now getting the New York bitches trip first, in December, so that’s a silver lining.

I think that’s why (or at least partially why) they just bumped up the RHONY legacy UGT to December, R181.

Brandi really is her own worst enemy - I thought she had a great showing on UGT 2 while still being a total mess.

It would be with the most personally conservative member of the NJ cast that she would pull that with.

NJ is the one franchise that doesn’t go in for attention-seeking/blowing off steam lesbian stuff. They’re all obsessed with telegraphing that they’re sexy but respectable old school married ladies who would never do goomah shit.

Imagine if she had pulled that with Vicki, we would have heard the shrieking all around the world-“STOP THAT! I AM STRICTLY DICKLY!”

She gave Vicki a lap dance on UGT while a pained Vicki kept sputtering that she didn’t want it “because I’m a professional business woman”.

That being said, for all her self-professed homophobia, I think Vicki’s Orange County enough that lesbian stuff - as long as it’s between two blonde women with French manicures - is less of a big deal to her than she pretends it is.

If Caroline is pursuing legal action or making a cash grab she’s a pos and a grifter.

Lez me’s atell youz abouts my’s a pus-Z…

I always thought Caroline was huge bull dyke. I’d like to see her square off with the Rosies, O’Donnell and the cousin.

[quote] If Caroline is pursuing legal action or making a cash grab she’s a pos and a grifter.

You do realize her best friend is 9/11 fraud criminal Bernard Kerik?

Caroline is not only Italian MAFIA adjacent, but she's also a full blow fucking MAGAT!

I hate this cunt!

[quote] If Caroline is pursuing legal action or making a cash grab she’s a pos and a grifter.

I was molested.

The most recent episode was the lowest-rated ever, with only 400,000+ viewers. That's worse than the old drunk bitches' last season.

I hate to say it, but I think NY is toast.

Caroline’s BFF.

After the 2020 United States presidential election, Kerik supported Trump's false claims of voter fraud and attempted to help overturn the election results.

Right now Miami is probably the best HW show. A mixture of tired old drunks and cougars with a few aging sugar babies and youngins thrown in and it all works really well. Lisa and Lenny's marital breakdown last season was riveting. These women are unfiltered and don't give a shit what people think. That's what we want to see.

Back to NY: the Erin/Trump problem is actually a very big one. She’s clearly the one who’s the audience surrogate. The “normal” one. The one to whom we’re supposed to most relate. But for this specific audience, these Trump donations, in the way that she made them, is a very hard thing to get past.

R195 Yeah, fuck Erin. Anyone who supports Trump is dead to me.

[quote] lesbian stuff - as long as it’s between two blonde women with French manicures - is less of a big deal to her than she pretends it is

Cackling wildly at this, R186.

I had no idea Brynn is bi-racial.

R198 But she's singularly stupid.

What's her other race, R199?

R194, I 100% agree about Miami.

Well Brynn became a bit more interesting. But still annoying.

I’ve been watching some of that show with Luann and Sonja, and I have to give it to Lu—she really looks great for 58, especially with all the boozing and smoking she’s done. She’s had some really great work, obviously.

These women are so much more interesting to me now that I know some of their back stories.

Brynn is much deeper than the vapid airhead slutty girl she pretends to be.

Sai has a softer side than the bitchy, hard-edged cold persona she puts out.

And I always thought that Ubah was nice, but now I like her even more, hearing about her family and her business.

I wish that Jenna would open up more. She still seems guarded.

The two who I actually don't like are Jessel and Erin.

Jessel seems self-centered and spoiled. It's all ME ME ME.

And Erin just disappoints me. She seems very accomplished and smart, so the fact that she voted for Donald Trump just bums me out. How can someone so smart and accomplished, be so dumb?

Ugh.

With all that said, Ubah's hot sauce looks good!!

I might order some.

Jessell and Jenna are both socially awkward so it was fun watching them together. Shouldn't Erin have opened Jenna's gift rather than pushing it to the side. I want to know if Jenna ended up buying the $900 sweater. I love that Ubah mentions Ubah Hot in every episode. Shades of Kathy Hilton! I hope Ubah is the next Bethanney. Only nicer.

I’ve watched an embarrassing amount of Real Housewives, and this is one of the first times I’ve been completely bored by the cast. Even Jenna. They just don’t hold my interested and I find myself fiddling with my phone instead.

R206 Same here. And we're obviously not the only ones. Ratings for this season are in the toilet.

There's nothing appealing or interesting about any of these women. And once I found out that Erin bitch donated to Trump's campaign, I turned the channel on the show for good.

R207, and I’m not trying to be agree either. I live in NY and look forward to the show every Sunday. Just isn’t working for me. Not really even sure what I’m supposed to be watching since nothing has happened.

Oops. That should have read “not trying to be a hater”

When are they going to flip a table or someone get arrested? People tune in for felonies, not infomercials.

R210 Fuck off! But not before you buy my toaster oven!

I don’t even know what y’all are talking about upthread where you think iteration doesn’t stand up to the original. I think this version of the show is a vast improvement.

[quote] I don’t even know what y’all are talking about upthread where you think iteration doesn’t stand up to the original. I think this version of the show is a vast improvement.

Klan Grannies prefer the all-white, Donald Trump version of New York.

Anyone who says Klan Grannies seriously is a loser.

Jessel's husband is loaded, why don't they have a nanny? I always wear a leather jacket to work in my kitchen just like Sai. She's such a pathetic fashion victim.

I feel like some of you are confusing liking the women versus liking the trashy reality TV show. I’m a NYer who wouldn’t have willingly hung out with most of the women from the original few seasons, and yet I found them interesting and watchable form the first episode. What was so interesting was how much they wanted to be in the social scene, but were actually on the outskirts.

I'm enjoying this season more than the last several seasons of RHONY, which were mostly just the women getting sloppy drunk and throwing themselves at men who had no interest in them whatsoever.

I do wish we had both Legacy (minus Jill) with the old broads and the new version. At least we have Sonja and Lu with Crappie Lake which is actually pretty funny and sweet.

I like the cast so far. I especially like Sai's brownstone and the street she lives on. She's coming off as a regular person and not as a fashionista at all. Her look isn't that great and the hair this episode was not good. She has an adorable husband and daughter. Her daughter's hair was much like Brynn's childhood hair.

I like Brynn much more after hearing her backstory. I enjoyed the scene with her hairdresser. The girl has tons of hair.

HORRIBLE SHOW.....THE WORST OF EM ALL.....JUST SKAGS.

R219. I agree about Sai. I was prepared to hate her but she's becoming more and more likable.

Sai's husband seems like a keeper. I'm liking these women and the show more and more as it goes on. Yes, it's a VERY different vibe than the old show, but a reset was desperately needed.

I also just started watching Welcome to Crappie Lake and it is WAY more fun than I expected. Just a lighthearted, positive show featuring much more appealing versions of Luann and Sonja than we've ever seen before. It's like a cross between Schitt's Creek, Waiting for Guffman, The Simple Life, and Parks & Recreation. A breezy and enjoyable half hour!

Is this the same Sai who brought like ten suitcases for a weekend at Erin's? Yeah, what a regular person!

R223, that kind of crap is for the show. Who has time to pack that many suitcases?

Does that ridiculous idiocy being "for the show" actually make it or her any better?

Brynn certainly is having a hard time accepting something that happens when she was 6 months old. How would she even know that her diaper wasn't changed for a few days? And Ubah's mother died over a decade ago....the performative trauma over something that long over is not helping to make either of them likeable. Each episode gives me a little crumb of what I want...enough to come back next time but it needs to step it up.

R225, I've been listening to Teresa Giudice's podcast and apparently there is a lot they have to do for the show that isn't who they are. She says it's her job and producers make many of the decisions.

Regarding whether Brynn packs two bags or ten on the show doesn't define her true real life personality. If she took 10 bags on a weekend trip in real life that would be ridiculous.

R227 The first person I'd reference as a bastion of truth is Teresa Guidice. :-)

What made Atlanta, Potomac, Beverly Hills and New York (original recipe) compelling from the beginning was the following:

1.) Most of the cast had history with each other that lead to fights or alliances. (Sheree/Nene/Kim; Karen/Gizelle/Robin; Kyle/Kim; Kyle/LVP/Adrienne; Ramona/Jill).

2.) At least 1/2 the cast of those shows didn’t care if their behavior was ridiculous or controversial. (Kim Zolciak; Karen Huger; Kim Richards; Camille Grammer; Ramona Singer; Alex McCord).

3.) At least one cast member or friendship team became fan favorites (Kyle/LVP; Jill/Bethenny; Nene; Karen or Gizelle).

4.) ) The central drama of the first season of each of those shows centered around a petty argument over etiquette or a word choice between frenemies that was absurd. (Ramona being so rude to the McCords that she bails on Jill’s dinner party; Camille being upset with Kyle for making a throwaway comment about Kelsey; Sheree not inviting Nene to her party; Karen teaching Gizelle manners).

Rebooted RHONY is lacking these elements-the fight over the restaurant was stupid and over in an episode.

Next time on RHONY: Jenna visits the dermatologist

R227, that sounds very serious. I'll pray for you.

Y’all are just upset that they ACTUALLY had the balls to fire everyone, start over from the beginning, and slap the same theme music on the whole thing and call it RHONY, as though not a damn thing had changed between seasons. And you have it admit that it took balls to do it, too.

No, R232, I don't have to admit anything of the kind. I never watched the old one and I'm not watching this one. I'm fascinated that there are more than 200 posts about what are apparently the dumbest, least interesting "Housewives" ever. I think they're all fucking stupid but that's just me.

Eventually I'll look up some clips on Youtube just to get a look at these new ones because I've followed this thread. Other than that - nah.

R232 I'm upset that they didn't just kill this part of the franchise altogether after they canned everyone from the original cast.

R233 = Jill Zarin

I have a soft spot for Brynn because she is a lot like many gay men.

Shitty childhood, she was a bit of an outcast, estranged from family members as an adult, alone on the holidays, and sleeps with lots of men to fill the void.

I think that many of us can relate to that.

Speak for yourself, r236. I relate way more to Jessel: prone to phoney transatlantic accents; kind of over sex but very much still into bossing around my elderly mother; too fat for most high end clothing.

God, R237, Jessel sounds like an absolute nightmare.

She is! She combines Ramona’s breathtaking rudeness, Jill’s craven “stomping out of a fashion show because I’m in the second row” insecurity, Luann’s pomposity and Alex McCord’s cringingly earnest social ambition. She’s the only one who feels to me like a successful update on the RHONY brand.

Erin seems like she’d might allegedly be homophobic, now that I know she’s a Trumper. She’s so cold and obviously just there to promo her shitty business.

Sai is a huge cunt.

You can tell the black hairstylist is cringing with Brynn.

Brynn has obviously, suddenly glommed on to her “black identity” since it became very advantageous to do since BLM.

[quote] Brynn has obviously, suddenly glommed on to her “black identity” since it became very advantageous to do since BLM.

You obviously didn't listen to anything she said in that segment.

She said that it was a great opportunity to learn about her black ethnicity, because she was raised by the white side of her family.

And her interaction with black people only came about because her grandmother didn't know how to tame her wild hair.

So a friend of her grandmother suggested taking her to a black hair salon, which is how she learned about the culture and that part of her heritage.

If you can't understand something simple like that, then you're not paying attention AND you're being purposefully obtuse.

Moron.

Brynn looks like Carly Simon.

Sandra Bernhard was on the Andi Coen show and said she’d known Jenna for years and was shocked that she’d do the Housewives show.

What in the actual fuck was Jenna wearing to the Thanksgiving dinner?

She has the worse sense of style and taste I've ever seen.

Boy, the producers are really trying to squeeze water out of a dry coconut with this group.

Brynn and her crying about not having her diaper changed at six months of age. Brynn, dear, you were six months old. You didn't know.

Then Uba being worried about being in business because she doesn't have support from her mom - who died eleven freaking years ago! Oh, please.

Everything about this season is so manufactured and inauthentic.

Of course, Erin worked for Fredrik Eklund's real estate company. That's how she got on this show.

Erin works so hard in her company. Did you see the way she chose those knobs for the kitchen drawers? Exhausting!

r232 = Andy Cohen taking a break from class action lawsuits to console himself in the mirror.

R229 I think they cast people now on who's life will be most catastrophic during its inevitable undoing - whether through a messy divorce, a business lawsuit or actual fraud leading to jail. I think they try to find people living way beyond their means doing some shady, nondescript business, or marriage on the rocks and wait for it to all play out on camera.

If somebody called me up and said, "Hey, I was thinking we'd all have a special Thanksgiving dinner especially for you because you're sad and lonely and pathetic and we all pity you," I'd tell 'em to fuck the hell off, then get on a plane to Paris and fuck every French guy I could find.

So what does Brynn actually do for a living? There's no way she's actually a model.

Does she just fuck rich guys for cash and merchandise?

We haven't seen Brynn's house yet, so she might very well live in squalor.

Ubah has a tiny little apartment in the city.

I think Jenna has the most money, followed by Erin.

Sai and Jessel seem to be about even.

Bravo needs to go balls to the wall and bring back:

Ramona

LuAnn

Sonja

Dorinda

Kelly

Aviva

Jill

Bethany

Let the fireworks loose.

I like to try an imagine the dirt Bravo already have on these women they are dying to drop once they become high fan favourites.

Jessel's husband cheating on her and has a whole other family in NJ.

Brynn's obvious call girl past to make ends meet as a resident whore on a Saudi Princes's boat.

Sai and her husband running a perception drug ring out of their home in Brooklyn with her instagram page being how they find clients.

Jenna on video using the N word proudly at the Cubbyhole one drunken night.

Erin refusing to show homes to minority families and evading taxes for the last eight years.

R255 when you have every cast member drunk out of their mind every episode and literally shitting, SHIITTING the floor or the walls or their pants on multiple occasions, it's time to switch it up. There are at least three episodes where they showed shit from one of the cast members on the floor or on a wall, or discussion about how a dump went wrong. All of their lives are throughly run through. And nobody wanted endless episodes of people struggling with sobriety.

R251 did the producers report Jen Shah to the FBI?

Did they report Joe & Teresa too?

R257 Amen. No more drunken antics, please. Addiction isn't amusing to experience or to watch.

R254 Brynn’s apartment was featured in Domino. The building management wouldn’t allow filming there, which is why we won’t see it on the show.

R261 If it weren't for the standard Pottery Barn-Williams Sonoma decor, it would be just another Manhattan shithole apartment.

I wonder who pays her rent.

[quote]did the producers report Jen Shah to the FBI?

Who knows, r258, probably. I always find it funny on these shows when they have the big witch hunt among each other to find who "who leaked this story to the press!" Duh, the producers probably. Or they gave the information to one of the wives to leak guaranteeing them a major role in an integral storyline.

Listen if you are the breadwinner of your family and this show IS your biggest gig - 500K a year, which is no chump change - you are going to be throwing your co-workers under the bus and fighting for on camera time. For the average person, 500k a year is life changing. That is the real drama to me, not watching these supposed friendships, but the fight to keep a job.

The sad thing is R262 that apartment is probably $4000 a month. They didn't allow shooting there or they physically couldn't fit the equipment through the door? Poor girl doesn't even have a closet.

If the producers reported Jen to the feds then they fucked themselves over since it will not be the same without her.

R265 yeah but the fireworks were worth it

It actually makes me like Brynn more to see her owning up to living in a small rental with CB2 furniture. Other Housewives would rent a staged place they couldn’t afford and try to pass it off as something they bought.

I don’t know why people commit crimes, then go on these shows to draw attention to themselves. I looked into bankruptcy about 5 years ago. I told my lawyer that I may have a 6 figure payout coming in a year or two. I asked if I could get in trouble, because I knew that it was probably coming, before I filed. He said that I would be fine. I told him about Teresa Guidice going to jail for basically the same thing. He asked if I was a housewife on Bravo, lol.

Sonja and Luann are an absolute riot on Crappie Lake - it’s a low-cost, low-stakes sorbet course type of show, but if anything it’s been really fun to watch them freed up from the Housewives format of increasingly acrimonious meals at comped restaurants and drunken blow-ups on the two cast trips.

They both come across as funny, game and adorably boosterish about the working class small town they’ve landed in - it probably helps that the whole town is gamely playing along with the idea that they are big-time celebrities, which they are, naturally, eating up.

I was howling last episode watching Luann, in what seemed to be Tom of Finland drag, putting her female baritone to perfect use while bellowing her “director’s notes” to a bunch of awkward middle-school jazz dancers in pink fringed leotards.

I rolled my eyes when Brynn referred to Erin’s hard to open fridge as “some white people shit.” Brynn may be half black but by her own admission her upbringing was almost 100% white. She also allegedly used the n-word in a discussion with the housewife Lizzy who backed out early in filming. There’s literally no reason for her to use that word, especially given her background.

I haven't seen Crappie Lake and I'm sure that I never will however, it cracks me up thinking of that batshit crazy, MAGAT, lying politician with the vaseline lens shots who still pretends she won in her state (Arizona? Something like that).

It's Crappie Lake (R).

[quote]I told my lawyer that I may have a 6 figure payout coming in a year or two.

Having just gone through bankruptcy earlier this year, you are only on the hook for up to 6 months past your notice of discharge.

I don’t miss the old housewives at all. A bunch of hags in their 50s and 60s fighting … pass.

Erin being MAGA is such a letdown because otherwise she'd be my favorite.

Erin was cast just because she looks, sounds and acts like Jennifer Anniston right?

[quote] Erin was cast just because she looks, sounds and acts like Jennifer Anniston right?

I know, right?

Brynn is about as black as a former princess we all hate.

R277. Billy Porter?

They're all pretty good TV. I still love original recipe more but this is not bad. And now I can really hate Erin more than I already did. Eventually they're going to have to confront her on it right?

Sonja's behavior on Crappy Lake is a great example of why I don't miss the old Housewives at all. Fucking that one townie practically on camera was a TERRIBLE look for her. The Housewives are supposed to be at least somewhat aspirational. The New York women had become something more like an embarrassment.

Sonja didn’t fuck that guy. She’s just doing her boomer Mae West act. I don’t think she’s fucked any of the guys she’s been filmed with since Luann’s sloppy seconds pirate back in season 5. For all her antics, I think Sonja basically just lives in the past and has kind of packed it in in her real life. It’s Luann who is the actual dickpig in the OG RHONY cast and you can tell she’s legitimately jumping out of her skin during the filming of Crappie Lake since she can’t find a guy to fuck while out there.

I can’t believe that Jenna’s hair is a wig. I have been studying photos of her and it looks SO real. Maybe I’m just used to fakes ass looking wigs like Kim Zolciak’s.

Jenna's hallmark is having an impeccable eye, so naturally she has wigs that look real. Those cost a LOT of money, BTW, so even if Kim Z. could tell the difference, she couldn't afford to spring for the good stuff.

Please let there be a season of UGT where Jenna and Kim Zolciak have to interact, and end up bonding while wig shopping.

What kind of wigs are made where you can see someone’s scalp through their greasy unwashed hair?

So if Jenna wasn't wearing a wig, and with her "condition," what would Jenna's hair look like naturally?

My understanding is that she cannot grow hair at all. So the hair on her head, her eyebrows and eyelashes are all artificial.

Jenna at the end of the day:

Jenna has said her hair is fake but that it’s not a wig and that she can “take it off like a hat.” How is that different from a wig, though?

I also wonder if that’s why she didn’t want to spend the night at Erin’s because she didn’t want to risk being seeing without her hair, eyebrows, and eyelashes.

Brynn seems to be a total shit stirrer. We already saw how she lied about Sai’s comments about the cheese plate. Lizzy Savetsky also bailed on the show in part because she felt like Brynn was setting her up in a conversation in which Brynn used the n-word. Now Sai is saying that Brynn shared stuff she told her in confidence.

Brynn is trying to be Bethenny 2.0, but Bethenny was in the right time and place and had something to sell. What does Brynn have to sell besides pussy?

From the short clip at R290, seems like Sai shot her mouth off and Brynn repeated what she'd said, just like thy all do on these stupid fucking shows. It's in their job descriptions - "Thou Shalt Share All the Shitty Things the Other Women Say" is their reason for existing.

Did Jenna have a party without all the rest of the cast? Lol.

The previews were funny, seeing her decorate her tree while the other women sat in a different location, grumbling about her.

Jenna chose to stay home and decorate her tree with her son, Goddaughters and bestie. Of course that pisses some people off. Erin came off badly tonite. I'm starting to like Jessell and she and hubby were lovely on WWHL tonite. Loved the scene in Jenna's closet.

Who is this Mickey Boardman creature who attended Jessel's party?

Why does Mickey Boardman look like someone’s memaw after having her watched snatched right off the top of her head while shopping at Ross Dress For Less?

I'm on Jenna's side.

Jessel was amazing this episode. She is perfect for this show.

"Mickey Boardman" - Larry "Bud" Melman.

You could tell Erin was trying to stifle her laughter when Jessel said no one’s ever called her a princess before. Jessel is completely delusional if she doesn’t realize how spoiled and entitled she comes across.

Jessel reeeeeaaaaaally needs to get laid.

Jessell is the closest to an old school real housewife. Pretty, clueless, cute husband who will probably divorce her and has a sense of humor.

^Jessel not Jessell. Sorry.

Is Rio a popular name all of a sudden? I’ve never heard of anyone called this but both Sai and Jessel have sons with that name.

Is Jessell dot or feather?

Mickey Boardman is so clearly a Datalounger.

r305 The answer is that you are a racist.

Of course, R307, trying to determine whether someone is an American Indian or an East Asian Indian is inherently racist because... because... well because you say so and it just is.

Furthermore r305 those terms are antiquated. We use “casino or call center” now!

Jesell is as self aware as a chia pet, she'll get another apple if they renew the show.

The only intriguing HW is Jenna, there's got to ne a books worth of dishy info on her. She seems to be a bizarre eccentric. She's been mentioned before in this thread, but that just makes me want to know more.

Otherwise this cast is a wash.

I’m not so sure about Jenna. I feel like we are getting a lot of the quirky stuff upfront, and she might actually be a little bit boring outside of her eccentricities. Or at least will be too guarded to give it up to TV producers.

[quote] The only intriguing HW is Jenna, there's got to ne a books worth of dishy info on her. She seems to be a bizarre eccentric.

I totally agree.

My focus is always on Jenna when she's in the room.

Her funny facial expressions when someone says something, or her weird little mannerisms always catch my eye, or even the odd things she often says out of the blue.

She's definitely on the spectrum, yet she has great taste and a great eye for fashion.

Her knowledge of fashion is also just so far above any other housewife who has ever been on the show.

The only problem is that she doesn't talk very much.

I can tell that Jenna is an introvert, because I'm the same way. And when you do say something, it's often awkward.

Her commentary is often funny, because it's just one-on-one with the producers, so you can tell she lets loose a little bit more than when she's with the other women.

Who are you people who watch this shit? Seriously, are you gay men? Lesbians? Straight fraus hiding out on the Datalounge? What?

All I'm doing is reading one fucking thread on these cunts and my eyes are starting to glaze over in boredom.

What is it that you find interesting about these people or in this show?

On her "ReWives" podcast, Bethany claimed that Jenna reached out to her when she was cast, asking for tips on how to be as popular and successful at "housewifing" as B. was. So she may seem mysterious and standoffish, but Jenna is apparently as thirsty as any of them.

PS Bethenny declined to reply to Jenna's query.

I think that story says more about Bethenny than it does about Jenna.

It definitely says a lot about the B, but it conflicts with the popular view of Jenna as being above it all. IF it's true.

Bethenny also said that Sai claimed (in a DM to Bethenny) that she borrowed 400k worth of clothes for the season. If it includes that garish Varsayce robe (with her name off-center) and the Herman Munster pumps (even Jimmy Choo makes mistakes) then I think she got 400k worth of garbage.

She's probably wearing "$400k" worth of knock offs.

[quote] Bethany claimed that Jenna reached out to her when she was cast, asking for tips

[quote] Bethenny declined to reply to Jenna's query.

Bethenny's such a cunt.

She's probably just jealous of Jenna.

Jenna was President of J. Crew, when Bethenny was still schlepping sample products in Costco and trying to get her ugly mug on television.

Jenna was running a multi-BILLION dollar company, and Bethenny was a complete nobody.

Now she won't take Jenna's calls?

Fuck her. Uppity cunt.

Bethanney wishes she had Jenna's style and circle of friends.

Or any friends at all.

Despite her Trump donations, Erin is the most likable. The others seem very neurotic?

I’m not buying Sai. As someone mentioned upthread, she only has 490k IG followers, and that’s a year after she was announced as a RHONY cast member. That’s a lot for a normie, but not for someone who has turned her social media into a full time job with a small staff on payroll.

It actually is kind of a lot R323. It's a small number compared to what she makes herself out to be. But I had a friend with like 35k followers doing wine tasting online and companies were flying her out all over Europe to their vineyards. It doesn't take a lot to gain traction. I guess businesses see your 35k followers (probably 12k real followers) as very solid numbers as far as reach and worth the expense. So I can see how 490K followers (maybe 75k real followers) are enough to warrant the kind of business that would need a small staff.

So this is all about stupid social media shit?

My god, how utterly and completely vapid anyone on this program must be and their viewers and "followers"are just as vapid and emptyheaded.

Get a pet, get a hobby, read a book, do something.

R325, Fuck off and get back to whatever it is you do that is superior to the interests of your fellow DLers. My guess is coin collecting and polishing your tiaras.

For most of us, the Housewives are a very small part of our lives. I'm sure we all have lofty pursuits that satisfy the multitudes of interests of our brilliant minds, probably many of which are above your judgmental, holier-than-thou, priss-pot head.

Judge if you must, but it wouldn't hurt to look inward as to why you're so critical of people who are just having some trashy fun.

Sure, R326, it's incredibly vapid, trashy and uh... "fun" yeah, that's it. But I'm "holier than thou" and the dreaded "judgmental" because I notice that it's mind-numbing dreck. Okay.

Do we want this or bring back all the withered, grasping bitches, throw no-PC gasoline on fire, and collect the bodies later?

Real Housewives Cage Match

R327 Whatever, housewife troll buzz kill.

But do you need to point it out to others in order to make yourself feel better? You are stating the obvious, the shows are dreck. We know and we don't care.

I do not buy the 'Jenna reaching out to Bethany' BS. Jenna's success in fashion and her knowledge of juxtaposing markets and merchandising has equipped her to know how to navigate the RHs universe and fandom. I'm sure she needs tips on how to handle production and their induced fuckery. 🙄

Bethany would've put any vm, email, dm, or any other verifiable form of communication on display with her claims. Even a screenshot of a call history would be trotted out. Just to make that claim on a podcast reeks of insecurity.

Unless Jenna confirms doing this, or having had someone else reach out for her, I'm not buying this line the Skinnygirl is selling.

I can't believe people enjoy the thing in the thread that I've posted 25 times in! Haven't they heard my opinion about how stupid they are? I need to keep at it, eventually everyone will tell me how smart and insightful I am! There's no chance that I'm a mouth-breathing goon who contributes nothing and should fuck himself to death with a sharpened dildo covered in hot sauce.

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So, R327, I put you on temporary ignore to read your other posts. You're OK, but I was amused to see how many posts you made in this thread for someone who thinks the show is dreck.

It brought to mind the Oscar Wilde quote from Lady Windermere's Fan, ‘We are all In the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars,.' Humans often wallow in dreck, but that doesn't necessarily mean all of the wallowers are, as you say, vapid and emptyheaded.

Even if Bethenny received a message, ignored it, and then tells everybody that she ignored it…she’s a CUNT!!

I'm kinda gay man crushing on Erin. She's hot as fuck and her fits are on point. I want to steal that black (leather?) top she had on during her one-on-one convo with Vessel.

Jessel’s accent seems all over the place, and sometimes she sounds like Nadja on What We Do in the Shadows.

Jessel is a wannabe American.

That's why her stupid accent sounds so fucked up.

One thing I will say about Jenna is that I don’t believe her coming out story for one second. I don’t believe FOR ONE SECOND that this woman was flitting about life, up to age 40, and had no idea she was gay. And all it took was a semi-arousing conversation with a gay friend for her to figure out who she was? Bitch please.

R337 I totally agree. I especially don't believe that she never even knew women could be gay until relatively recently. WTF?

To me, Jessel sounds like an Indian woman who received a British education, that's all. Her personality is very irritating, but I don't think her accent is a put-on.

What does Brynn do for a living?

Brynn's frizzy bangs need to be fixed. She needs a new hairstylist.

I think Brynn isn't exactly a sex worker, but she hasn't paid for a meal or jewelry in a long time.

[quote] Brynn's frizzy bangs need to be fixed. She needs a new hairstylist.

I think Brynn's hair is as good as it's going to get.

She has very frizzy hair, and a lot of it.

Brynn said she relaxes her hair, but even with that, it's probably still very unmanageable.

R342 Brynn resembles Madeline Kahn in your photo.

Brynn actually reminds me of Meghan Markle, R343.

[quote] Bethenny declined to reply to Jenna's query.

This is why Bethenny hates Jenna.

Jenna is everything Bethenny wants to be.

And by the way, Jenna was only doing what people in the corporate world do. They network and try to makes connections with others in their field. It's what all the successful corporate executives do.

But Bethenny is a sociopath, so it's not surprising she wouldn't want to network with Jenna.

I'm liking this cast more each episode. It's a great improvement over the old show. I like their homes, it looks like two have elevators opening into their apartments, Jenna and Erin. I love Sai's brownstone and of course, Jenna's place.

I think Jessel is insecure. She hated the nightgown because it didn't flatter her. It's important you feel good in your clothes and that trashy rag was really ugly on her. She has a new mom body, of course she wants to dress to flatter.

I really like Sai. She's short and a bit dumpy and not fashionista material at all, but she's fun and relatable. It was a hoot when she rushed into the bedroom in the Hamptons and fell flat on her face. Got up and brushed herself off. I like her husband, gorgeous kids, and feisty attitude.

I hope they can avoid the raging drunken fights that the old cast got into. Two of them don't drink at all, that gives me hope.

If they're not screaming PROSTITUTION WHORE! PROSTITUTION WHORE! at each other, then what is the point of the show?

Are these women "New York"? Or could they exist in any other city? If this was the Real Housewives of Los Angeles (not rhobh) would there be a difference?

I love watching Ubah eat and drink ginger ale out of a champagne glass. She's adorable.

R334, which means your kinda gay/kinda straight? Are you trying to fuck this woman? But supposedly you are . . .?

Why is Ubah on the cast?

She has no story.

Sreriously.

No husband. No job. Nothing.

R351. No idea why she's on the show.

Give Ubah some time. Meanwhile she's funny and endearing. There must be some drama lurking around her.

Ubah's a WOKE pick.

Non-threatening black woman with a pretty face.

That's how cynical BRAVO producers are.

People throw that stupid "woke" term around, always meaning whatever they - personally - want it to mean.

Lazy.

Here's a great interview with Hoda, Andy, and Jenna.

I love that Jenna is so down to earth.

Whoops!

Here.

I wanted to check out Jenna’s show, Stylish, on Max but it looks like it’s one of the shows they recently purged.

Interesting interview with Jenna from 8 years ago. She looks/acts a bit different than now..and the hair looked more “wiggy”.

Ubah is my favorite in a cast full of strong picks. She may not have a story, and she doesn’t need one if she the audience favorite, which she is, unless you’re a Klan Granny from Alabama.

Enough with the Klan Granny shit. It’s not funny and just makes you sound pathetic.

Uber sells hot sauce. That’s her thing.

I like Ubah, but she has no story!!

And no husband or kids. And no job!

Why is she on the show?

She's not even American.

Which is a first for the Housewives, I think.

Beverly Hills had LVP, the Dutch Hooker, and the Serbian madame.

omg that's right r364!

I never knew there were so many immigrants on that cast.

I guess hollywood is popularr with foreign hookers.

And whatever the fuck Dorit is

dorit is from israel

Dr. Wendy from RHOP is Nigerian.

Did they cast Ubah in the hope that she would be Chanel Ayan 2.0?

Ubah and Chanel are cousins.

[quote] Ubah and Chanel are cousins.

Yeah, Ubah mentioned that on Watch What Happens Live.

HOWEVER, Chanel is far more interesting than Ubah.

She creates drama, she doesn't take shit from Caroline, and she gets into the mix.

Chanel is also married with one kid, and she still models and has a business.

So she's actually much more interesting than Ubah.

What can Ubah do to make herself more interesting? Flip a table? Fuck a pirate? Fall in the bushes? Get into trouble with the IRS? Ubah is living her best life and sends her love, darlings.

Oh good, things are getting ugly. I officially dislike Erin who flips out next week.

That anniversary party looked truly awful and mind-numbing.

Jessel's fashion party and those interesting fashionistas. Erin's real estate wealth snobbery. Nice people are to found in each group but designers and fashionists are a hell of a lot more fun than real estate where cash is king. Just look at the contrast between Erin's and Jessel's homes. White, stark, and colorless. Then there's Jenna's place which exhibits true creative and personal design.

Maybe that's why Jessel is coming across as awkward. She's lovely and elegant, but is not a typical media/creative type. She's stilted and proper (the popsicle was a surprise). Maybe she's a great businessperson though, it's hard to tell. It's also hard to know if her party guests were real guest or temporary cast members. Jessel, like Ubah, still has a lot to reveal.

How lucky for Erin's sister that she inherited her father's chin. Erin looks like her mother. The husband's are all cute. Special cameo from Meredith and Brooks Marks!!!!! Brynn was pushing it but she was also hilarious. Jenna is a Goddess.

I really hate Brynn's penchant for wearing furs with baseball caps.

It's so fucking trashy.

Totally Indiana meets NYC. Yuck.

That was so cool of Ubah to set up Erin with the jewelry. Lucky bitch.

Oh, and Erin's sister is such a cunt. Who does that at a party?? Especially since everyone else was talking, too.

And I don't blame them at all for talking, because those speeches were TOO much.

I've heard of speeches at a wedding, but not an anniversary party.

Sai said that Erin served "pig in a blanket" appetizers at her party.

Really?

Those are pork, and I thought Erin was Jewish.

I find it refreshing to watch this show and not see the stupid red carpets with step-and-repeat photo ops.

Jersey is very guilty of this. Every single event they have, has a red carpet, and it doesn't feel like a reality show any more.

Erin's party felt like a regular party, which was nice.

Brynn's as deep as a puddle but I love her. "There are so many guys here, is it my birthday party?" haha

Brynn is turning out to be the ubercunt of this series.

The situation with Erin's sister would have turned into a screaming match with the Joisey, Miami, OC or Atlanta casts but notice how the ladies ended up apologizing and admitting they were wrong (even though they really weren't). NY always has more class.

But until this season, NYC featured old ladies flashing their cooches at the camera (Sonja), yelling and slurring (Dorinda), fucking married men/being arrested (Luann) and getting very, very drunk all the time (everybody but Carole).

NYC spent years being distinctly unclassy, so this season that some find "boring" is a nice respite for the rest of us.

[quote] The situation with Erin's sister would have turned into a screaming match with the Joisey, Miami, OC or Atlanta casts but notice how the ladies ended up apologizing and admitting they were wrong (even though they really weren't). NY always has more class.

Nope. You're wrong.

I watched the scene a few times, and Jessel and Brynn were giving Erin's sister some major attitude. In fact, Brynn was the one who started saying "Maybe before you tell us to stop talking, you should tell all the other people around here to stop talking."

And they were giving Erin's sister some dirty looks, as well.

It could have easily gone left.

However, it was JENNA who started being super apologetic and who started making gestures like, "We're sorry. We're wrong."

Jenna calmed the whole thing down, and the others followed her lead.

I've noticed that Jenna is sort of like the "Mama" to this group. She's the oldest (by far), but beyond that they respect her.

They all knew who Jenna was and where she came from long before this show, so I think that goes a long way in situations like this where if Jenna is apologetic, then they will take that cue and follow her.

It's great in terms of real world manners, but the truth is that it doesn't make for great television.

I almost think that Erin's sister was trying to get her ugly mug on the show by starting some drama (like Kim D. and Kim G. on Jersey), but Jenna shut it down. Not on purpose, but just by being who she is.

The other thing is that she was behaving exactly like her past would dictate. Jenna was bullied in high school, so naturally when someone confronts her, she immediately backs down. You can tell that social situations like this really make her nervous. And interestingly, she confronts them completely sober.

As someone who suffers from major social anxiety, I need lots of things to calm me down. Starting with alcohol.

I find it so weird that someone like Jenna would ever want to be on a reality show. She's like the antithesis of the typical Housewife, because they all crave so much attention and vie for the spotlight.

Jenna said she missed the celebrity status she'd had as a star of her own (one season) show, and that's why she's doing Housewives.

I like Jenna and find her interesting, but I think some of her fans are a bit deluded as to just how "above it all" their goddess really is. Which is to say, isn't.

Jenna’s zoom call with Emily Hampshire continues to reaffirm my belief that her much vaunted lesbianism is not going to hold up in her court.

“We were introduced as potential love interests but we immediately realized it was strictly friend vibes between us and now I’m decorating her lake house!” An actual lesbian would have gunned a u-haul across the border and moved into that lake house by now.

I mean even Dan fucking Levy was able to have a frisson of against-all-odds sexual chemistry with Emily Hampshire.

[quote] “We were introduced as potential love interests but we immediately realized it was strictly friend vibes between us and now I’m decorating her lake house!” An actual lesbian would have gunned a u-haul across the border and moved into that lake house by now.

Not to mention that she immediately noticed the hot guy at Erin's anniversary party, and when asked about it she said she could see herself dating a guy again.

Her lesbianism seems to be just a passing phase.

Erin is like a more telegenic version of perpetually nonplussed season 4 one-and-done Cindy Barshop.

That anniversary party was like a horrible client appreciation event for a medium-sized investment brokerage and she and her dullard husband (and all their friends who got to make speeches) seem like the most boring frat and sorority crowd from one of the better SUNY’s circa 2005.

Jessel is about ten times better suited to this gig than the rest of her cast - and I would much rather just watch footage of her and Pavik.

Pavik looked cute in his bow tie. He also has BDF.

Everyone looked dumb reading their speeches/comments/whatevers off their phones.

It's funny R388. I am sitting here trying to figure out if you are using Nonplussed in the correct way or the way in which everyone mistakenly thinks it should be used. Can you please clarify for me?

Not really getting the Jessel love. I find her dull as well.

Nonplussed as in “what the fuck” confusion, R391. Cindy Barshop was constantly baffled and surly throughout her mercifully short tenure on RHONY. Erin’s very much the same to me. How are other people (presumably vocab queen Jesel) using the word?

$64,000/year for... correct me if I'm wrong... preschool?!?

That is so... NYC..

As is having a huge blowout anniversary party for yourself with an airplane hangar-sized rented space and speeches so that everybody in the world can "celebrate you" on your 10th anniversary.

I still have bottles of medication that expired ten years ago...

The earrings Erin borrowed were so fucking ugly. Clearly Jacob the Jeweler is not wasting his top-tier inventory on a renewal ceremony for the Jewish Jennifer Aniston.

Speaking of which, way to buck the stereotype of the Jewish mom who overfeeds from love. Everyone south of Canal is a little bit WASP!

That party looked excruciating. A parade of speeches from the UW-Madison Zeta Beta Tau house of 2004...what time does the kitchen at Nobu close?

Nobu? Around 10:00 Sun-Thurs and around 11:00 on Friday and Saturday.

Actually coveted preschools like 92y and All Souls and Episcopal don’t cost that much, R394. Jessel is looking at Avenues, a for-profit school that has no prestige outside of downtown strivers. It costs that much for all grades, it just happens to start in preK rather than K.

Thanks, R397.

Who will get divorced first? Erin, Jessel or Sai? I say Erin.

Erin is becoming the cast member I love to hate. First, who has a huge expensive party like that for a 10th anniversary? Nobody cares, Erin. Ten years is too short a marriage for that. Plus, I hate vow renewals. I don't need to know that married couples love each other. Keep that gooey stuff private.

And Erin's first dress of the night. Butt ugly and very uncomfortable looking. The side boob looked flat and mishappen. Why two dresses anyway? And why not more food? I don't hate her, but she personifies an old saying an college friend used to say, "She acts like she thinks her shit doesn't stink." She invites scorn.

The scene with her sister was weird. Very rude to tell guests they are rude, especially when you know they are your sister's co-workers and they are filming a drama-fueled reality show currently featuring boring speeches in a noisy echoing bank or whatever it was. Terrible acoustics, so loud. I, too, think the sis was aiming for some screen time.

Rewatching the earlier seasons and this iteration really lacks the extraneous social climbers like Devora Rose, and the glory of getting the cover of a magazine only known to a fabulous circle of people.

[quote] Who will get divorced first? Erin, Jessel or Sai? I say Erin.

Jessel.

I've noticed with the housewives that every time one of these women makes her husband the butt of all her jokes, and also treats him like the "hired help," they end up getting divorced.

Jessel does all of this with Pavit.

Adrienne used to do it all the time with Paul on Beverly Hills.

Totally agree, R402. Jessel acts as if she really cannot stand Pavit and thinks he should be eternally grateful that she deigns to be married to him. Not really a recipe for happiness.

[quote] First, who has a huge expensive party like that for a 10th anniversary?

I'm willing to bet with almost 99% certainty that the party was thrown for the show to give Erin a "storyline." Remember when Ramona spent a whole season preparing to renew her vows to celebrate her 17th anniversary?

[quote] The scene with her sister was weird.

I agree with whomever said the sister was clearly just looking for an excuse to interact with the cast so she could get her face on TV.

The sister has a face for radio... Like Patti Stanger on testosterone.

My favorite description of Patti Stanger was on here years ago-“if Punky Brewster grew up to be a fat stripper, she would look like this chick.”

Jessel is a poser, moved to NY for the show, and rents her home. It’s why she knows nothing about NY.

Ugh. I just looked at Jessel’s LinkedIn and R407 is right. Jessel moved to New York in 2022. So ridiculous.

I mean Kenya definitely moved to Atlanta and got a rental boyfriend just to be on the show when she started on housewives and up until recently she was one of the franchise MVPs, but yeah, having Jessel, Brynn and the Orthodox influencer mom who quit after several weeks of filming all move to New York specifically for new RHONY does give the show a weird vibe.

Who was the mom who quit? I think there were several Salt Lake women who filmed only to be dropped or they quit. Meredith should move to NYC and be on RHONY and get the fuck out of that Mormon shit show.

I just started watching and i am only on Episode 1 and have been trying to avoid spoilers (even though the vague things I read hint that nothing much happens on this show- which I can sense already)

But as i called the minute she was cast, Jenna Lyons would be the break out star. I suspect that I will end up not liking her as much as I thought I would despite me loving her before...

The first episode was very shallow and surfacy. I sense that this will be the vibe going forward- Petty drama in pretty settings.

I will give Bravo this- it did feel young and felt NOTHING like the original. Even the look of NYC was different, and the cast member's apartments /homes were much higher end /larger/ more attractive than anyone's on the original- minus Bethhenny's later apt. Hell, do you remember Jill's place?

I barely remember their names, but the redhead chick clearly sees this as an acting role.

5/10- Not unnwatchable, but I sense there is not much here.

Why is Erin pinging my gaydar..... I sense sexual tension between her and Jessel

Erin also looks like a hotter and younger Jen Aniston

The woman who dropped out was Lizzy Savetsky. I assume her departure is the reason the show started with all the women referring to get togethers that happened before the first episode. According to Andy, women start filming and drop out "all the time," but we usually don't hear about it.

Jesse is beautiful

Beautiful LIAR

Poor Sally Jessel needs a boob lift.

What does Jessel's husband do for a living? Did she marry him for her US papers?

Black chick is pointless

Where did Jenna learn to wine down like this?

So something went down with Brynn and Lizzie where the n-word was said and this supposedly led to Lizzie leaving. We need to find out what really happened.

Brynne reminds me of a 1950s baby doll cupcake. She's cute and energetic. She's fun with the cast kids. She can get annoying, but she does add the spice.

[quote] So something went down with Brynn and Lizzie where the n-word was said and this supposedly led to Lizzie leaving. We need to find out what really happened.

No wonder Bravo tried to play down her exit from the show.

Lizzie probably either said it in front of Brynn, not realizing that Brynn is part black.

Or she said it TO Brynn.

Either way, she's a cunt.

PageSix already reported on what happened. In short, Brynn asked Lizzy, who is an Orthodox Jew and and part time matchmaker, to set her up with a guy. Lizzy said she prefers to set up Jewish men with Jewish women to maintain the Jewish lineage. Brynn was offended and said that talk of ethnic lineage sounded like something the Nazis would say. This lead to an off camera call between the two about racial slurs where Brynn used the n-word. Lizzy then told her husband she felt like Brynn was setting her up and was going to tell the other women that Lizzy used the n-word too. Lizzy's husband then raised concerns to Bravo, but in telling the story, repeated the full n-word himself. He apologized, but the damage was done. And, between that and a bunch of anti-semitic hate she was getting online, Lizzy decided to just exit the show.

But what does this have to do with the Brynn and Sai fight?

I loved Brynn's reaction when a woman's hair caught on fire during the party. Brynn: She's pretty, she'll be fine.

[quote] But what does this have to do with the Brynn and Sai fight?

Nothing. Although Sai has basically said she no longer finds Brynn trustworthy and the incident with Lizzy would imply Lizzy also didn't trust Brynn.

Lizzy Savetsky's husband is Dr. Ira Savetsky.

And he's throwing around the N-word?

Not a good look.

Lizzy and her husband look young.

How old are they?

Brynn was dumb to ask Lizzy to find her a Jewish guy to date.

Both Lizzy and her husband are pro-Zionists.

That's Ira with a hard R.

Which of the husbands are fuckable? I think Abe would probably be the hottest but there are a lot of low cards in that hand.

Abe is the hottest but I think Pavet (?) is adorable.

[quote] I just started watching and i am only on Episode 1 and have been trying to avoid spoilers

Uh, nothing happens. Spoilers?

[quote] But as i called the minute she was cast, Jenna Lyons would be the break out star

Wow. Give yourself a big pat on the back, on an anonymous message board. How sad.

[quote] Which of the husbands are fuckable? I think Abe would probably be the hottest but there are a lot of low cards in that hand.

I think Sai's husband David is the hottest husband.

Erin's husband is meh and Pavit is cute but dorky. Jenna's ex is fugly.

David is definitely the hottest.

But I can't find any photos of him!

I dare you all to find a photo of him.

I can't even find one.

R434, he is camera shy, I couldn't find a photo, either, but he's fully visible on the show. He's great, joked about wearing a track suit to Erin's anniversary party then stayed home. He seems very down natural and down to earth.

I don't get the hype around Jenna

The midseason trailer just dropped. Erin and Ubah get into it on the cast trip with each calling the other one a bitch. There's also some fourth wall breaking as Sai lays into Brynn for repeating something private and Brynn claiming it was said "on camera."

David is so weird.

He actually hides in face in photos.

Or he wears dark glasses.

Or he turns his back to the camera. Lol.

Erin's husband is kind of average.

Not gorgeous, but not ugly.

Here's a photo of Erin Yitzhari and Abraham Lichy when they were much younger.

Pavit is okay, also.

I'd say he's the least attractive of the husbands.

And Jessel treats him accordingly.

Erin's anniversary party was ridiculous. Aren't these kinds of things supposed to be intimate? It was like a convention for financial advisors.

I can barely stomach looking at that bitch knowing she's a MAGAt.

Erin's outfits for the party were horrible. Maybe Ubah should have taken her dress shopping instead of jewelry shopping.

Sorry R444, but Ubah's busy.

Erin's voice is annoying

R428, he's defending his wife by re-telling an incident, how is that throwing around the N-word? It's not like he's having an off-the-cuff conversation in the locker room.

I don't say the full word: k-k- in referencing Jewish slurs or S- i-k in referencing Mexican slurs or C-i-k in referencing Asian slurs or N- word in referencing Black slur

Exactly, R448.

Young Sai.

Young Jenna.

OMG why would Jenna post this???

Okay, I get why. But WHYYYYYY???

Jessel has a hairy ass.

R453 = Pavit

[quote] Jessel has a hairy ass.

So does Emily from RHOC!

She got it waxed in a recent episode.

Jessel & Pavit's multi-day wedding covered in Vogue. He looked better with the beard.

What does he do for work?

R457 a quick search and you will know, lazy pants.

Why does Erin's father look like a cross between Herman Munster, Frankenstein, and Richard "Jaws" Kiel?

Abe has those sexy lips.

Jessel is the ethnic Alex. A wannabe social climber who will do just about anything to get noticed, including using her kids as accessories.

The husband does "management consulting" bullshit. He headed up Harbor Freight Tools for six years, an online tool shop I have used several times.

He's not a big deal, just another wannabe and social climber from what I can tell.

I thought the husband had Indian family money . He seems so laid back, like the type who has a degree and was educated at a good school, or and a career where he really doesnt have to work. But I was wrong

On episode 2- This is not going to be a FUNNY show like its original-

That I am learning....

I absolutely have to give Jenna Lyons this- she looks SO MUCH OLDER than I thought she would- especially her neck?

But holy shit, she has this youthful and innocent vibe that just works--- And I can see why anyone of any age would want to hang with her (at least initially)

Its a cool quality

So did Erin accuse Brynn of trying to steal her man?

They should change the name to Jenna Lyons and The Real Housewives of NYC.

Why do you say that, R466?

Jessel is going broke from ass hair removal treatments.

Gideon is so freakin adorable.

Brynn is such a stupid ass for not marrying him.

He's a perfect catch.

For some reason, she reminds me of Gloria from Butterfield 8. "Mama, I was the slut of all time!"

Always with a fur, jumping from guy to guy, and never knowing how she makes her money.

All I can think of, is that she's just a high-end hooker.

Looks like Erin the MAGAT cunt is going to be that person.

The twat who always walks out in the middle of a good fight.

I HATE when they walk out in the middle of a fight. That's what makes the fucking show.

Erin should be fired for walking out. It just puts a total downer on the whole scene.

And then she calls up her thirsty sister on the phone, who is basically talking shit about all the other women (who she just met). Oh, and her sister sounds like a MAN on the phone.

Erin's whole fucking family are probably Trump MAGAT voters, so fuck all of them.

JUDITH???? Jessell was friggin hilarious. She said JUDITH with such disgust. I really like her.

Judith wears pink wool.

I am just not getting the over the top love for Jenna. I don’t exactly dislike her, but there is something extremely artificial about her. And I’m not talking about her lashes or her dentures either. I have a lot of trouble taking the things she is telling us at face value.

I bet her former employees could tell us the real story.

Brynn is the stupidest woman in the history of the universe and if she thinks she won’t regret marrying Gideon she should give it ten years.

This article is pretty much spot on about everything that's wrong with the show. And I love how they refer to Jenna as the "Mary Katherine Gallagher" of the show. :-)

R475 I love the queen who wrote this article:

"So Jessel is like that annoying friend who tells everyone they once lived in Europe, but who actually just did a three-week backpacking tour through Germany and France one summer."

"Jessel is really just a tourist who probably thinks a visit to the Times Square M&Ms store is the ultimate city cultural experience."

"Jenna, perhaps the most awkward party host since The Mary Tyler Moore Show's Mary Richards..."

R475 And on Erin's anniversary party:

"She may as well have named the occasion 'Pepsi Presents Erin's 10th Anniversary.'"

Brynn is probably some sort of hooker but don't discount drugs! She could be some kind of dealer.

Brynn is a SUGAR baby, not 'hooker-hooker', rather prostitute-light.

I just looked at Jenna's lash line. I am going to get a few pairs! they look great, most of the lashes on the market are garbage, WAY too long, not tapered properly, clumpy, heavy base etc. These look really lovely.

Does anyone actually believe that conversation between Jessel and her mother was the first time she was hearing about Jessel's IVF?

R480 I was going to check out her lash line too, and I'm a guy.

I have thin lashes, so I wanted to see what she has to offer, because it sounds like they would be less obvious on the wearer than traditional lashes.

I'm looking for something subtle.

R482 if you want something subtle, go to youtube and check out individual lashes. They're tiny little bundles of three lashes at a time that are the most unobtrusive style you can wear.

There's no band. It takes some practice to get the hang of them but just buy a box of the cheap ones to learn.

Thanks, R483!

Jessel's mom is lovely but someone needs to give her a makeup tutorial. Very blotchy.

What job does Brynn claim to do? She has sexual abuse energy.

That's your projection, R486, I'm sure you do that to people all the time.

What is Brynn's job?

This housewife seems to do everything but stay at home. For starters, she is a certified yoga teacher, but she's also a communications professional. Brynn went to Purdue University in Indiana before starting a career in public relations, according to her LinkedIn.

She worked as a PR lead for Assembly before going freelance in 2022 for escort work, per her profile.

I'm sorry, one of the "housewives" is an escort?

And how is that working out?

Brynn and Ubah were yacht girls no? I thought it was obvious and I hope they bring it up at some point.

I like this season but I miss the charity events from the original that provided a reason for the women to organically interact throughout the season. Plus, where were the fashion shows? New York Fashion Week dominated early RHONY. Half of these ladies are in the fashion industry and it would give a serious opulence bump. I want to see Jenna's version of Zhang Toi.

Sai recounting what Jenna confided to her about her childhood nickname was so below the belt and disgusting. I would have cursed her ass out at that table.

Jenna didn't confide in Sai. She told a total stranger the story with other people around so there's no reason why Sai would think it was a secret.

Private or not, I think it was weird to tell her story to the other girls. It's Jenna's story to tell if she wants.

It’s way less fun watching Brynn do her millennial Holly Golightly act in real time than it was watching erstwhile Gen X yacht girls Sonja and Luann have their New York Social Diary pretensions punctured over and over again over the seasons.

r455 Emily from RHOC is part silverback. Why wouldn't she have a hairy ass?

Sai telling Jenna’s story makes sense if she’s not there, but telling it with Jenna there was weird, Plus if she’s so particular about food why doesn’t she eat before she goes to events, Sai comes across as having an eating disorder.

They botched this casting.

[quote] They botched this casting.

It was an abortion, Michael!

An abortion!

Yacht girls?

Don't you mean PROSTITUTION WHORES! PROSTITUTION WHORES!

[quote] They botched this casting.

Agreed. These shows work best when the women seem like people who'd actually spend time together with or without cameras. But this group seems like they're interacting at gun point.

Erin is a buzz kill. Too disapproving and humorless.

I disagree. I think this show is fresh and fun and I love the cast. Even phony Jenna.

I don't get the hate. The women gel and do seem like a friend group. They all have their little quirks and, unlike other housewives, are more interested in food than booze. I've enjoyed every episode so far.

I miss Potomac.

It feels like people saying that they don't seem like real friends have NEVER seen an episode of RH.

I hate it when people say "I don't get the hate..." as if they're owed a satisfactory explanation why people don't like something, in this case a fucking reality show. He, she, they don't like it, that's all.

There are just over 500 posts to this thread talking about this show. Many reasons have been given why people don't like it. It's not "hate" for the most part. They simply don't like them and don't like the program although maybe they liked the old version? I'm not sure. If you'd care to read their reasons, the entire thread is available to you, R502.

Okay, I was on the fence about Erin but this episode pushed her over the line for me. She's now my least favorite of the NYC housewives simply because she's so sour and bitter for little to no reason all the time, and with no levity to compensate.

Fuck you, R506. Get back to me when you can get corporate sponsors for *your* wedding anniversary.

Erin doesn't have a sense of humor which makes her unlikable. Much like Heather Dubrow.

I find Heather and her tightly coiled prissiness works well in contrast to the tacky tequila-guzzling messiness of the other Orange County wives. It’s funny watching her have throw back her shoulders to do the housewives dance with gleefully remorseless guttersnipe Tamra and perpetually at-the-end-of-her-rope Shannon.

The last episode of RHONY just felt like a bunch of a boring horrible sorority girls co-starring Jenna Lyons and occasional cell phone video footage of an ailing but still performatively wacky Ubah.

What did Jenna mean, when she said she was "over it?"

Was she over Ubah staying home being sick?

Or was she over Covid? Or what?

I assumed she meant COVID, R510. I hear so many people saying that, as if COVID is there just to inconvenience them personally.

I agree with R509. That's why Aviva was so great on RHONY. Watching her revulsion at the other women's antics was TV gold. I still laugh every time I think about her calling Ramona and Sonja "white trash."

I think Erin is probably not as humorless in real life as she seems on the show and is just trying to create storyline by overreacting to petty slights. I do wish, though, that someone would call her out on her Trump support. That would probably lead to *actual* drama and not some bullshit over cheese.

I just want to see one of the other women call Erin and her ugly sister, a couple of CUNTS!

Luanne called herself the female Barry White but she had never heard the rock-bottom bass of Erin's sister aka Fatti Stanger. She sound-a like-a man.

Erin's sister looks like Jay Leno.

One of these days I will actually look at some clips of this idiotic show on youtube. Until then, this thread is more than enough "housewives" for anyone to deal with. I've followed the whole stupid thread, 515 posts.

So far, I hate them all but we shall see.

R509 I enjoyed Dubrows contrast to Tamra, and, at that time Gretchen too. There was a Bachelorette party with strippers, and she was spraying them with hand sanitizer like a priest with holy water during an exorcism, it was quite funny.

First cast trip!

Jenna's brother Spencer is cute!

Is it just me, or does he have a slightly gay vibe about him?

Apparently though, he has a wife and kid.

Brynn's brother Daris is cute too.

I would never be able to tell that either of them are part black, and I think that has something to do with the fact that they both do what they can to .... and boy do I hate saying this, but .... they seem to hide it.

If Brynn straightens her hair, and Daris cuts his hair short, you would never be able to tell that they're biracial.

But then the RHONY producers show their pictures from when they were younger, and they both have huge frizzy hair.

It's like a Wentworth Miller type of situation.

Lol @ Jenna to the producers, on why she flew Business Class to Anguilla...

"Why am I even explaining myself? I'm old and I'm six feet tall."

OMG and Pavit's reason for flying 20 hours to Vietnam? To eat a banh mi sandwich!

Jessel, you're in danger gurl.

I love Jenna but she looks 10 years younger when she's wearing glasses. The others seem to be jealous of Jenna. They were very 'mean girls' last night.

If your skin was that noticeably messed up, would a day of tanning make you look fine enough to wear that dress on tv? She looked really good, though. I do think the others are jealous.

Wonder if those hags sensed that Jenna was the breakout from the show? Erin is a CUNT!

I am so impressed with Jenna sharing he physical struggles. These shows are so superficial and any 'struggles' are usually liposuction, fake boob, botox, filler related. I really appreciate seeing someone be open about real, lifelong physical issues and how they continue to affect her.

also, the irony of the bitches who wouldn't be caught dead at a particular restaurant and always bitching about food having an issue with a 6 foot tall woman preferring to upgrade her flight is lost in them.

I don't think it's just that Jenna wasn't wearing her glasses that made her look old. She also seemed to not be wearing any eye makeup, including maybe no eyelashes?

Jenna was definitely being cagey about her reasons for going early. I don't think her tan was even real--it looked like a spray tan--so there's no reason she couldn't have done that in NY and flown with the other women. She clearly just really wanted to fly business. Which is fine, but also pretty damn bougie, which she clearly knew and was a little embarrassed about.

If I was traveling coach with a group of friends but another friend wanted to fly Business I wouldn't have a problem and these twats shouldn't have either. It seems a lot of what Jenna does annoys them. Hey, Sai. You're an influencer who gets offended when a friend gives them something free from her line. Would you have been less offended if she paid you to post about it on social media. This is a friend group that doesn't know the meaning of the word friend. That being said, I love the show.

I can't imagine what it must be like for Jenna to have to deal with her health issues her entire life. Either do any of these women. They have a lot of nerve calling her out over her skin insecurity issues. Walk a mile in her shoes girls. They are all so jealous they had to find something to pick on her for. I love that they really can't get much of a reaction from Jenna, it surely frustrates them.

Sai especially is burning up with jealousy. If she could get even one endorsement like Jenna's, she would be ecstatic.

Jealous, insecure, petty bitches. Where's the "new" show?

I hate almost all these cunts.

Erin and Jessel are nasty evil kunts. Brynn is nutty damaged goods.

After seeing her family, it’s obvious insecure Erin is using the bleach bottle dye job and some other techniques to hide her heritage. Sad.

Jessel without makeup looks like Dan Aykroyd in Nothing But Trouble. Yuck.

The anniversary party was a disaster covered up by that gargantuan marble venue.

I officially hate Erin after she backstabbed Jenna that way. What a horror show that bitch is.

Guess what? Nobody needs an excuse to fly down early, or to fly business rather than coach. Who needles their friends about not wanting to do everything they do, exactly at the same time and in exactly the same way?? I mean, apart from mean girl 5th graders, which everybody but Jenna apparently is in this group.

If I'd been Erin, I'd have said "OMG, I love business class! I wish I could go with you" then sat back and waited for the invitation. You just know Jenna would have scrambled to make it happen. Then I would've had two extra days in Anguilla, a massage on the beach, and a leg up on the other girls.

So she isn't just a bitch... Erin is fucking stupid.

Erin is the worst!!! I can’t stand her!!! It’ll be fun to watch her potential divorce happen, since being on this show is the first sign you’re having an identity crisis and the marriage is headed for trouble.

[quote] Nobody needs an excuse to fly down early, or to fly business rather than coach. Who needles their friends about not wanting to do everything they do, exactly at the same time and in exactly the same way?? I mean, apart from mean girl 5th graders, which everybody but Jenna apparently is in this group.

It's like Jenna said in her confessional. "Why am I even explaining myself? I'm old, and I'm six feet tall."

Jenna is used to being the outsider and the girl being bullied, so I don't think anything these bitches do or say will phase her. She's probably dealt with this kind of shit for her whole life.

When she was young, it was bullies that teased her and beat her up.

Now that she's older, rich and successful, she's being bullied because people are jealous of her.

She really can't win.

But I'm glad that she made it clear she has tried to please people her entire life, and now she's just doing what makes her happy.

Genitalia is so weird. What’s the DL mental diagnosis?

r538, introvert with the lightest flavors of OCD and autism

Pavit is a sex tourist on the hunt for a banhg mi sandwich.

[quote] Pavit is a sex tourist on the hunt for a banhg mi sandwich.

Male or female?

Erin is wealthy. Why would she fly coach? Is she just cheap?

Don’t the producers buy these tickets for them. They’re new, they don’t get 1st class seats like the established shows.

Jessel’s marriage breaking down will be a good plot line for season 2, if this shitshow gets renewed.

Dorinda and Bethenny would have obliterated Erin.

Does Erin have an eating disorder? I can't think why else she would refuse to provide food at any of her events.

As awful as Jessel's marriage is, I think Erin will divorce first. Ostentatious vow renewals are the kiss of death.

The cast still isn’t gelling for me. It always feels like their gatherings are the first time any of them have seen one another since the last time they were told to gather somewhere. Which is of course the case with a lot of these shows, but the others fake it better.

R546...especially when they're sponsored by corporations.

Erin served pigs in a blanket at her big vow renewal. She's cheap.

Pork?!? As a Jew, there’s nothing I want more than to see Bethenny Frankel takedown Erin.

Erin is an embarrassment.

There are kosher hot dogs.

[quote] Does Erin have an eating disorder? I can't think why else she would refuse to provide food at any of her events.

I think she's just too cheap to serve food.

Notice how she was wolfing down the food that Sai provided in Anguilla.

Sai is a good host, when it comes to feeding people.

If Erin had been in charge, everyone would have starved.

All that petty bitching is all for show. Bravo isn't creative enough for interesting plot lines. It's all about pettiness and fights.

The ladies were on WWHL with Andy and seemed to like each other and get along. They're fighting for screen time and bucks. Jenna is the most authentic and real. Harassing her over her flight day choices was ridiculous. isn't anyone on this show rich enough to fly them on their private or chartered jet? Bravo is too cheap to pick up the tab? No, just a lame plot line.

Anyway, I'm enjoying the show, annoying as it is. I'm living vicariously in NY and like to make fun of people. Poor Jessel, her undereye dark spots are almost as bad as the entirety of Jenna's health problems. I love Jenna and all her insecurities. I agree, we'll probably see a divorce or two on this show. Sai's marriage seems solid, I like her husband.

I saw that same WWHL with the cast (it was repeated the other night) and I sensed no one cared for Erin. But the rest were very chummy.

Jenna’s Frankenteeth are scary!

I'm not buying Jenna's "bad skin" story for a second. If it's as bad as she claims it is, a) she'd need more than a couple of days in the sun to cover it up, and b) she wouldn't constantly parade around in outfits that expose her wrinkly, saggy epidermis.

Her skin looked just fine when she showed up to meet the other women. She may have some blotches on her body (who doesn't, especially at that age?), but I doubt it's the horrifying catastrophe she claims it is.

She just wanted to fly business class and hang out buy herself and maybe get the chance to lick a pussy or two before having to meet up with all those other bitches.

Are we supposed to believe Jenna's brother is straight?

Um...okay.

Some start a new thread. This POS barely loads

There's nothing wrong with the way this thread loads.

Ubah seems to be the most useless of the group. She has no real story, besides the one about her mom dying...a decade ago.

I fear that Jessel and Ubah are WOKE picks.

They're not native NY'ers, they're not rich, and they have no story.

The only reason they're on the show is for Ubah to show a black person on RHONY and for Jessel to say she's the first Indian housewife.

They both "check off the boxes."

LOL Klan Granny at R561 all pressed about the fact that Real Housewives of New York City includes actual colored people.

Stay mad, bitch. Every franchise gets a black girl now, whether you like it or not. If you are REALLY upset about it, stick to Orange County, a place where black people don't live.

l love Ubah for absolutely no reason. She makes me smile. I started off hating Jessell but she's growing on me. Not in an 'I like her!' way but in a 'she's good for the sbow and her life may self destruct' way.

Brynn is black, white, has tourettes and is a ho. She checks off even more boxes!!!!

Ubah is a safe blq pick like a Caribbean she’s a snob and hates blqamericans and is not woke herself. No worries about a micro aggression rant like what’s her name.

That they needed to import half the cast from Los Angeles (and Dallas, (!?!) for the woman that left) is an insult.

I know for a fact that some of these women were second choices. A friend of mine turned it down after a lot of courting by Bravo, and it’s very obvious to pinpoint her Wish.com replacement.

tell me r567. tell me!

At least tell us who became her replacement!

R562, so black girls are cast to fill quotas now? Do you not see how racist that is?

R562, not including a black girl would be racist. And quotas are good.

I like Jessel and her husband. They seem the most nutty. Eden is a downer but every show needs one.

R570 Apparently, you missed the previous season of RHONY and the controversy caused by casting Eboni K. Williams.

Bravo had to do something to right the ship, so yes, they made sure to cast a bunch of women of different backgrounds and ethnicities, including black ones.

Jessel was originally cast for Real Housewives of Dallas, which was mercifully cancelled.

Brynn: "I'm trying to get on Erin's good side, so I'm going to do something really nice and unselfish for her...I'll direct the servant to bring her luggage to her room."

She just gives until it hurts, doesn't she?

[quote][R562], so black girls are cast to fill quotas now? Do you not see how racist that is?

It's not racist to think that a show about New York City should include some Black people, Klan Granny. What is racist is to insist that a show about New York City should be all white, which is what you are advocating.

Nice try, though.

No one insisted the show should be all white. You're fucking unhinged.

Eboni might have been ok if she hadn't been sent on a mission by production to 1) school the white folk, and 2) make Ramona look even more horrible than she already is. The producers gave her a job to do and she did it. Then it backfired.

I don't think that was the producers. I think that was 100% Eboni.

the awfulness was mostly Leah. Eboni would have calmed down and been as educational as she hoped she was being if Leah hadn't been such a fruitloop

Agree, Rescue Chick. Leah was the stereotypical "helpful white ally" who is incredibly off-putting.

Are "Real Housewives" shows your primary television viewing? There are so many of them and some of you seem to know all the characters. Is it Housewives New York on Tuesday and then Housewives Los Angeles on Wednesday and then Housewives Atlanta on Thursday and so on pretty much every night?

If you have time/interest in other kinds of programming, what is it? After "Housewives" what is your next favorite show or is it just all-Housewives all the time?

I like trash tv because it's like popcorn for my brain r581. I watch several of the versions of real housewives. I also really love and love to hate the below decks. my favorite thing about the below decks is that there's usually a few people who return each season, half (or more) are new.

I hit reply to quickly. in addition to the new/returning people, there's cross overs. so the chef may turn up on any of the spin offs for a season. a bosun may not be on for 3 seasons and turn up in a 4th.

So you don't watch "Game of Thrones" or "The Mandalorian" or "Downton Abbey" or any non-reality show stuff?

I watch every HW show except Atlanta. SLC and Potomac are my favorites. I also watch all over the Below Deck shows. The only disappointing one was BD Adventure which probably will not be back. They remind me of the soap operas I watched as a kid. Fun, silly, over the top drama and not to be taken seriously.

r585, I watch non reality stuff too, I was just saying which other reality shows I am in to.

What is the non-reality stuff that you watch?

If the SAG and writers' strikes keep going, the only shows we'll all be watching are reality shows.

Nah, R588, there are so many shows available that I've never seen they could go on strike for years and it wouldn't phase me or push me into reality show watching. Blech.

What I actually miss are the late night shows, Colbert, Kimmel and Meyers. I don't watch Fallon and thank god for the absence of James Corden.

r587, I will rewatch old stuff about half the time (BtVS, LO's, Frasier, Nanny, Profiler, Millennium, Pretender etc) and have a nasty habit of not getting into 'new' shows until there's at least a season or 2.

I have watched Ghosts, The Bear, American Horror stories, Hacks. Whatever catches my attention. Not Game of Thrones or Downton Abbey or most of the biggest popular long term shows.

R588 that's how we got reality shows in the first place!

Binge watching now. Loving it! The new cast is a good mix and breath of fresh air.

Thank Jebus that this thread has almost reached its blessed end.

To those of you desperately trying to come up with something to say in order to keep it going, brava. Nearly there, my dears!

Frankenteeth

R575, I am black and I can see how stupid this racial bullshit Eboni caused is. Friend groups are made watchable by CHEMISTRY and a multi-cultural QUOTA based cast is racist. Quotas are definitely racist, you are the white liberal fuckup Malcolm X warned us about. AND FUCK YOU, bitch! Quotas take you through the placeholder, manipulated the numbers, i.e send a quota of black faces to interview for the job and make sure not to hire any of them, regardless of how qualified we are. Did you just arrive to the planet from Mars? How the fuck do you not know quotas are insulting and RACIST? HOW?

Adjust your meds, R595.

R595, you are a fucking idiot. And I have no compunction in telling you that. If you’re truly black (which I doubt) then you are a sad and pathetic Uncle Tom. This has nothing to do with quotas, so sit down and shut the fuck up, you low rent Clarence Thomas sack of shit.

Someone make part 2

You do it if you want one, R598.

R599 should do herself as she suggested

Part 2

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