Is Madonna the new Liza Minnelli?

No. Liza is just a mess. Vadge has gone nutz.

Gaga can't wait to wheel her out to the stage

Madonna ish one of my besht friendsh!

Sissy is not a slut like that other one. I like blue!

True blue

Liza (for a period) was a movie star. Madonna...never was.

Madonna ish one of my besht friendsh!

Her wheelchair has already some stiches off, Op.

She should’ve married Rupert.

Other than Cabaret and Arthur, what big movies did Liza have?

I’ve never liked Madonna but I did notice that it was mandatory for people who wrote about her to say that she was some sort of genius at “reinventing herself.”

It has looked to me like Liza invented herself precisely one time and that, like her or not, it was an authentic presentation. She was needy, even kinda desperate, and knew how to belt a tune and hoof along to it. She was old-school and she was real.

So, no, Madonna will never be Liza.

The Sterile Cuckoo (her 1st Oscar nomination), New York, New York, That's Entertainment r10.

Silent Movie

New York, New York was a huge box office flop and That’s Entertainment a compilation film with many stars.

No. Liza has real friends who care about her.

No; but the buttcrack is still the new cleavage.

[quote] Other than Cabaret and Arthur, what big movies did Liza have?

She won an Oscar nomination for The Sterile Cuckoo. And she made a big splash in Charlie Bubbles.

Rent-a-Cop

Liza is an Emmy, Grammy (Grammy Legend Award), Oscar, and Tony (EGOT). Liza is also a Knight of the French Legion of Honour.

And the most electrifying performer ever.

^^ And if Liza performing the best rendition of 'New York, New York' ever didn't knock you on your ass, then watch Liza sing the hell out of 'City Lights'. from her big Broadway hit, 'The Act'...

If anyone wonders why Liza is having mobility issue now, it's because she gave it her all and sang and danced her her ass off for years. Her performance of "City Lights" is sensational as shown in the R20 video. The last few minutes of her performance is super-human. Imagine doing that every night live on Broadway! And if you watch until the end, you'll see her receive one of her four Tony Awards.

R6, Madonna was for three decades one of the biggest stars in pop music with multiple hits. Liza never was.

I'm going to go ahead and "MARY!" myself but god damn, R19, I watched that clip and I swear the hairs on my arms and legs stood up. Goosbumps. Wowza. I'm not the world's biggest Liza fan, but that was sensational.

My brother's best friend went to high school with her, my brother and his wife are the same age. My sister in law who has had no work done looks much younger and attractive than Madonna. These people actually age themselves with all the plastic surgery.

[quote]Liza (for a period) was a movie star. Madonna...never was.

Dont forget my Golden Globe winning performance!

R23. Told ya so!

Madonna reminds me in a way of being in her self-destructive career nadir right now like Diana Ross seemed to be with all her crazy around 2000, after her second husband divorced her and then she had all that hot mess with the security person at the airport check-in and then the DUI. It sort of made her finally land on her butt and realize she was human like the rest of us, but then she also had a seemingly very extensive family unit supporting her. Now even though she hasn't had big hit records in years, Diana is almost 80 and still touring regularly and seems well-adjusted. Perhaps this was a wakeup call for Medusa and she'll come back stronger after this and living in today, instead of constantly trying to compete and act like entertainers decades younger than she is now. Might be a stretch, with the trainwreck of a family she appears to have assembled around her, though. Bless...

R23. Get ready for Liza to Wow you again...

Get...

Just remember who was going on HSN. Hint not the blonde one.

I am SOLD, R29! She's chewing up the scenery and I am so into it! Girl was hungry!

And also, I think this means I am officially getting OLD? I used to think show tunes were so corny. In my 40s I finally started seeing musicals on Broadway. Now I'm 50 and and I'm sitting here thinking I need to go out tomorrow to the used record store down the street and purchase a bunch of musicals on vinyl.

So um....thanks? Just joking, I really love these clips.

Madonna is a fucking mess. This tour of hers will have all sorts of problems. Mark my words.

I know, R32, I cannot WAIT for the carnage to unfold!

[quote]Is Madonna the new Liza Minnelli?

Well, if she suddenly learns how to sing, dance and act, then she might be!

How did Liza get cast in Arthur? No offense to her fans but she seemed to be past her prime back then. Was the movie not expected to do much and then became a big hit?

Madonna dancing

Watch "Hung Up", some of the worst "dancing" ever.

It's embarrassing.

Just like Liza, except all that talent stuff.

That video of Liza in The Act is mind blowing. What was the fuel, I wonder? Mania? Coke? Mania on coke?

Yeah, but the trashing version. Madonna was very lucky they had Narcon on hand.

R10 None. She has been coasting off her mothers name and being a gay icon since the mid 80s.

R37, Hung Up was Madonna as Karen Lynn Gorney.

I’m just pretending 🤡

Apparently yahoo thinks it’s a fairytale

r34 made me spit out my coffee.

Could Madge do this?

pre-Fosse

R44 I think so too.

What's the Happy Birthday Hollywood number from? Academy Awards?

It's absolutely astounding! I don't think I ever appreciated Liza enough after seeing these.

and then there's this

Liza as Charlie Chaplin was something I definitely needed in my life! Thank you R46

CHICAGO

and this

Hey Peggy, you gonna sing tonight?

[quote]Liza (for a period) was a movie star.

One movie is not a "period." None of her post Cabaret movies was good or made money. And that includes the bloated New York New York.

Supposing this isn’t a ms congeniality contest, Madonna does not compare with Liza, who has been a non-entity for most of her life. Like r22 said. Madona p, for all her faults is the major pop for the last 30 years. Liza, for all her talents was a nepo baby who squandered her many chances.

I am r8, by the way, hardly a Madonna stan, but come on

Where's Madonna's Oscar for Evita, r55?

R55. STFU. Liza has more talent in her pinkly finger than most of Hollywood combined. In addition to 'Cabaret' (won the Oscar) and 'New York, New York,' Liza was also in the 'Arthur' movies with Dudley Moore, she toured and sold out concerts all over the world, she was hysterical in TV's 'Arrested Development,' her Tony Award collection also includes "Liza at the Palace" in 2009. She even performed an outstanding version of 'Losing My Mind' with the Pet Shop Boys. The talent of some performers (Angela Lansbury, Frank Sinatra to name a couple) doesn't always transfer to the screen for a sustained period of years unless it's the right project. No bitchy, catty potshots from the likes of you are needed. Liza made her mark.

Liza has more than proven herself. She is extraordinary, electrifying, and multi-talented performer even if she doesn't fit your version of a movie star. She's even more.

R46. Damn! I'm a huge Liza fan, and I had never seen that performance. Wow! That was something else.

Madge’s tour still hasn’t sold out. Maybe if she showed up on time and had reasonable ticket prices people would agree to see her limited fake ass.

Don't forget Liza's Academy Award-nominated performance in "The Sterile Cuckoo." Break your heart.

In 1965, Liza turned to Broadway when she was 19, and won her first Tony Award as a leading actress for 'Flora the Red Menace.' It was the first time that she worked with the musical pair John Kander and Fred Ebb.

Liza, unlike Madonna, has no place ine culture wars for the last 30 hears (when she was alive). She will be a curiosity (she is a curiosity) to Madonna’s relevance. Madonna became one recently.

[quote]Liza, unlike Madonna, has no place ine culture wars for the last 30 hears (when she was alive)

Uh huh

Liza as Little Red

Do keep up, OP. Madge has often lived in Los Angeles.

Liza was never a big record seller and this demonstrates why. It was at the Oscars and it's just terrible.

She once said the only Gold Record she ever got was singing backup on an Alice Cooper record.

Only one had Judy Garland as a mother.

No. You see, many people like and think warmly of Liza.

Let's not forget Liza's star turn in Sex in the City: The Movie 2.

The only "new" that Madonna could be is a corpse.

Liza has mobility issues because she has Parkinson’s disease- so says Lorna. Liza is actually a very nice, down to earth person. She happens to have struggled with addiction as well. I’ve met her and gotten to know her (although not seen her since she left NYC) some years ago.

Madonna is nuts and not very well liked by her peers- understatement. I happen to like a lot of her music, but she doesn’t seem like a very cozy person.

R58 fails to understand what a movie star is.

R72 - charlie - knows every celebrity in New York City. Beware.

R70, that performance is exactly why Liza is a star on stage and concerts but not in recordings. There's the built in camp of 3 Liza's performing that number in front of a bunch of gays, but the singing performance of the song is just not good.

All those quirks and eccentricities that are electric live are dreadful on records. Liza's record release after Cabaret and Liza with a Z was something called "The Singer". It was a collection of pop songs. It was one of, if not THE worst group of covers I've ever heard from a superstar singer. The Singer was her highest charting solo record but it's incredible that this would be the record they would release to take advantage of her success on TV and in movies. The production is bad but nothing can make up for Liza seemingly being unable to understand the very basic lyrics of any of these songs. Her version of "You're So Vain" is, well, decide for yourself.

She's not very bright.

[quote][R58] fails to understand what a movie star is.

There's a lot of movie stars, r73, and some of them are Box Office. Veronica Lake's career was brief but I would still consider her a movie star.

To contrast we have Madge.

A possible Roxie/Velma...

A genuine showgirl.

I never got the Liza thing. Maybe I’m just too young.

r65, I'd like to see Madonna do THAT!

(With Rupert Everett taking the Granny part Cyrill rRtchard had...)

Maybe if she is ever on HSN and makes a German Chocolate cake with Paula Deen, both while sloshed. Until then there's only one Lisha.

Neither of these whores have a Soap Opera Digest Award for Best Villainess.

Nor do they have a lifetime pass with a free appetizer round to the Hollywood Museum and Bakery.

THAT’S how you separate the legends from the losers.

R58 has stated his boundaries.

R81 demonstrating 'how to say you're in your 80s without saying you're in your 80s'

Liza singing You're so Vain...she outshines Carly Simon.

[quote]I never got the Liza thing. Maybe I’m just too young.

R81. And you don't know talent. If you've never seen Liza in concert, you have missed the most electrifying, talented performer on stage--just about ever.

What did Sondheim say about Liza? We know what he said about Madonna.

Federico Angelucci è Liza Minnelli canta: "New York New York" - Tale e Quale Show

LIZA MINNELLI Gala Of Stars 1981

But The World Goes 'Round...

^^ and 'New York, New York' too.

Wowsa...

"New York, New York"

1989 Songwriters Hall of Fame at Radio City Music Hall

'New York, New York' was written for Liza Minnelli by John Kander and Fred Ebb. It is the quintessential Liza song. Liza is a sensation. And as much as I love Frank Sinatra, he just butchers the song to death.

Liza was so gracious because it was Frank, but she should have forbidden him from ever singing 'New York, New York.' Liza sings it magnificently. Frank mangles it horribly.

May December romance

Only Liza was never a cunt. (STFU Lorna.)

[quote]Liza was so gracious because it was Frank, but she should have forbidden him from ever singing 'New York, New York.'

How could she possibly forbid anyone from singing this song? She didn't write it, she doesn't own the rights, idiot.

I love Liza- superb in Cabaret. But I’ve never taken a like to her as a singer. Too harsh- loud yes- but vibrato wobbles off key and her dynamics kind of red hot mama without the vocal quality of, well, her mom when not diminished. Liza is a bit like Merman- you have to see her in person. Recorded, doesn’t come across-

Wow, the Liza loons are in full bloom.

How so, r99?

Yesh R99 It never takesh long.

Sinatra stole Liza's song, "NY, NY." He butchers it. Liza's rendition is superb.

Yeah, I know, it's rumored that Frank paid for Judy's funeral. But he still stole Liza's song. And I'm a Sinatra fan, but he cannot sing that song for shit.

15 more minutes...

R75 oh my god! I love it. Thanks for posting.

Liza channeling Mama

It's Madonna with an M, not Banana with a B...