Leslie Van Houten is released from prison !!

I wonder if she could survive on the outside. I'm reminded of the character Brooks from "The Shawshank Redemption" who was paroled after 50 years and then found himself unable to cope with life in the outside world. Of course, he didn't have anyone.

I can't help but feel that she should have some hope after so long, but I also don't blame anyone who thinks she should never be set free.

Leslie is strong and has a great support system. She is jubilant right now !!

KILL!

KILL!

KILL!

I assume the prison has a program in place to help with the transition. I can’t imagine she has much of her original family left. Maybe some siblings?

Leave it to California.

“That’s the bitch who done it for Charles Manson. She’s crazy!!!”

This is a good article. And it states what I've noted through the years. I wish her the best but: "The dissenting Judge who sided with Newsom said there was some evidence Van Houten lacked insight into the heinous killings".

She may be "on the spectrum" or something, but I still don't think she gets it.

Leslie is not autistic lol

That face in OP is still evil. Is it because I know what she’s done? Maybe. Could also be the dead eyes and the weird smirk. 73 is not old, I doubt we’ve heard the last of this monster. Media types are probably lining up to interview her.

The Manson women.

Is she going to crash at Squeaky's?

R9, She does have a good bone structure and would blend in with well with middle class fraus.

I'm dying for them to start production of the "Life With Leslie" reality show about a convicted murderess who has spent 50 years in jail and now struggles with life on the outside, having to cope in a world that has changed dramatically since 1969 and where she is pretty much universally recognized and recognizable as a sadistic killer.

Also, can't wait to see her OnlyFans site.

R12 Except for the swastika carved into her forehead.

John Waters has already probably had her over for dinner!

R13, if only Robert Blake were still with us, the two of them could be roommates. It would be a smash.

[quote] Leslie is strong and has a great support system. She is jubilant right now !!

[quote] I wish her the best

I wish R2 and R7 had been on the receiving end of her violence.

I guarantee you wouldn't be cheering her on or "wishing her the best" if you had been in the bloodbath caused by Leslie and her cult friends.

I liked her better than the others because she used to look like Mary Tyler Moore.

She probably has a lot of groupies so she'll be fine

R14 Where do you see swastika?

[quote] She probably has a lot of groupies so she'll be fine

Oh that's nice.

Unforunately, the people she slaughtered won't "be fine."

Because they were all stabbed to death by Leslie and her friends.

I hope someone returns the favor to her, now that she's out.

Rotten fucking evil cunt.

I wonder if she’ll join the #MeToo movement

I wonder how long it's been since she's had a cock sliding in and out of her? Does the vadge dry-up if you don't use it?

Except for California's law, this bitch should have fried in the Electric Chair, You're all to young to remember exactly how she killed.

Yes one truly hopes R2 and R7 meet the end she was a part of and think of the potential of this woman's life as they are being turned into gore.

I used to have that Diane Sawyer special on VHS. I’ve always been fascinated by the Manson Murders and that show was riveting. I remember thinking Leslie and Pat came off rather sympathetic and the right amount anguished and remorseful. They were both model prisoners who very much disavowed Charlie. Is it nuts to say I’m glad Leslie will enjoy freedom in her final years?

I am happy for her

R26 no. Leslie, in all likelihood, didn’t murder Rosemary. Tex got to Rosemary first. He was a vicious motherfucker who knew how to get the job done fast. I think the woman has paid for her involvement in all this the last 50 plus years. If you cant see you’re not the same person you were when you’re 20 there’s nothing anyone can do to convince you. The death penalty loons have infiltrated DL unfortunately. They want her to pay in blood and that’s just not going to happen.

It should have been R28 instead of Sharon Tate.

R29 still thinks LVH murdered Sharon Tate. Imbecile.

R28 If only LV did to you what she did to that woman. Stab you 14 times and then carve you up. People in their 20s do that you know. Oh but she's sorry! That makes everything right. You must love torture porn. Even better if you're the victim.

What a hateful sick evil bastard you are.

R31 kindly fuck off and get some mental help.

I wonder if it’s too late to get the olde gang together

R28 Exactly. She's paid SUBSTANTIALLY for her involvement in the crimes. She will never pay fully because they no longer execute people in California. And, even if she did pay fully, it would not bring Rosemary or any of the others back. It would just bring more death and misery in the world.

She made a terrible mistake at age 19, and she's worked her to turn herself around. I don't understand anyone who says to someone like that "It doesn't matter. There can be no hope for you. You'll die in prison."

Again, I think people see public figures as characters, and not real humans. Imagine waking up every day for the last 53 years in prison, day after day after day. I don't know, she's paid for her crime, and I'm pleased that she's out.

Are you actually trying to get us to feel sympathy for this CUNT, R34?

Please take it somewhere else.

This evil pile of dog shit can rot in hell for all I care.

I hope the rest of her miserable life is filled with nothing good.

And that would STILL be too good for this cunt.

Family Values

I agree with people’s objections - and I’m not totally convinced about Leslie’s parole BUT:

Manson was a hardened criminal and skilled pimp - skills he honed in prison, where he had spent most of his life prior to the Family. He had plied the girls with massive amount of mind altering drugs. They were all teenage runaways. We all know how easily pimps can turn out young girls to earn money for them as prostitutes. I think we all know how extreme mind control can be.

Jesus Christ this thread really brought out the bloodthirsty lunatics. I'd rather be in a room with LVH than you creeps

Van Houten is expected to spend about a year at a halfway house, adjusting to a world changed immeasurably by technology in the past half-century.

“She has to learn to use to use the internet. She has to learn to buy things without cash,” Tetreault said. “It’s a very different world than when she went in.”

Van Houten, who will likely be on parole for about three years, hopes to get a job as soon as possible, Tetreault said. She earned a bachelor’s and a master’s degree in counseling while in prison and worked as a tutor for other incarcerated people.

—- not to side with her but can’t they teach the ATM/grocery store stuff in prison so people don’t have to spend a year learning it once they’re out? Or is that a tease to people doing life?

Wow, she got a master's degree in the pen while other poor suckers take out loans for them. Imagine this twat being your counselor?

[quote] Van Houten is expected to spend about a year at a halfway house, adjusting to a world changed immeasurably by technology in the past half-century.

I hope she drops dead in there.

Send her to Crappie Lake!

She should never have been released. Some actions are too bad and too awful to recover from.

It would be a little ironic if Leslie got a job in a grocery store.

[quote] It would be a little ironic if Leslie got a job in a grocery store.

I think it would be more ironic if she got stabbed to death in the halfway house, by a bunch of GenZ'ers.

I wanted to watch that movie, Helter Skelter to commemorate this and I can't find that fucker anywhere. I'm talking about the 1976 movie with Steven Railsback's chillingly virtuoso performance as Charles Manson. I can't rent it on Amazon or any other streaming service, and it's not on You tube except a few clips. I read Bugliosi's book years ago and it was chilling. The TV movie was really good. We need to demand they re release it. The other murder movie I wanted to watch, The Deliberate Stranger, with Mark Harmon as Bundy, another made for TV, is also unavailable. Now that is just a d amned shame. At least you can find Gacy starring Brian Dennehey on You Tube.

R46 I fortunately bought it on dvd years back. It’s also on an app called cda.pl entertainment. The app is streaming, but it’s in a foreign language. You can sign in with your Google, Apple or Facebook or your own id and navigate it well enough to watch. It has foreign subtitles but the audio is it’s original 1976 track.

Eldergay here. I was in junior high when the 1976 movie came out. It scared the shit out of everyone. This wasn't a horror movie - it was real.

It could happen to you!

R32 you are the sickest fuck. Excusing this woman because she 73. She was 20 so it's now all these years later it was excusable to carve somebody up like a watermelon.

Mental health is beyond you to forgive such actions. And you can fuck off in the worst way possible. May you meet a 20 year old psychopath at their most vicious and end your life the way LV's victim did. Not so bad huh.

r50 types sociopathic.

Danny Trejo is 6 years older than her and is still a scary motherfucker.

R51 like R32 types without any feeling whatsoever for the victims of the most horrendous pointless murders by psychopaths. What sick individuals you are to have sympathy for this butcher.

John Waters 5 part blog post

"I have a really good friend..." stfu, John.

Wait pt 2 crazy how’d I never know John Waters had his own lil manslaughter trial for hitting and killing a jaywalker

R50 r 53 no one cares what you think you crazy bitch. If you can’t accept there are people out there that think differently than you tough shit. You’re just embarrassing yourself with these unhinged rants.

Isn't this the one who basically stayed in the car during the Tate murders or am I thinking of someone else?

Everything's coming up Leslie!

Free Marnie Reeves

No, R58 - that was Linda Kasabian.

It would be really funny if she stabbed one of her supporters to death and carved the words helter skelter into the corpse. I’d lol.

R62 just stop. You think she really wants to go back to prison again after spending the majority of her life there? God some of you posters will go to your grave wanting her blood.

[quote] some of you posters will go to your grave wanting her blood

And that's not a bad thing.

An eye for an eye.

She's a fucking DEVIL.

Jesus christ, r64. Give it a rest.

No one has answered R58.

r66 see r61

R38 hahaha. You want to see a 70 year old woman killed for something she did at age 18 at the behest of Charles Manson, and I'M the one who's bloodthirsty. Get help, R38.

R58 no, that was Linda Kasabian.

R62 is one sick puppy.

Van Houten did THIS, and you're calling R62 the "sick puppy?"

[quote] Murders of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca

[quote] On August 9, 1969, Van Houten, Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel, Linda Kasabian, Susan Atkins, Clem Grogan and Manson went to the house of Rosemary and Leno LaBianca.

[quote] Manson entered the house with Watson, then left with Atkins, Grogan and Kasabian.

[quote] Krenwinkel, Van Houten, and Watson murdered the couple. He allegedly sent the others to kill an actor, but Kasabian claims she led Atkins and Grogan to an incorrect address.

[quote] Van Houten and another woman held down Rosemary LaBianca as Watson stabbed Leno LaBianca. After stabbing Rosemary, he gave Van Houten a knife, and she stabbed the woman at least 14 more times. She testified in 1971, “And I took one of the knives, and Patricia [Krenwinkel] had one — a knife — and we started stabbing and cutting up the lady.

YOU are the sick ones R68/R70, and you should have been on the receiving end of what that evil fucking cunt Van Houten did.

YOU are the true sick fucks for defending this animal.

[quote]You think she really wants to go back to prison again after spending the majority of her life there?

An idiotic question. Why was she in prison in the first place? Using your logic, she never would have participated in the first place. But did she? Yes. And she was proud of it.

Why has this so triggered a certain poster?

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. What is prison for anyway? Most people don’t die there. They serve a sentence and Get out.

If everyone understood what “death” actually is, there wouldn’t be a death penalty because it would be seen as a reward. A reset button. They get to essentially go to a day spa and relax for a while, then trade in their body for a newer model with no down payment! Everyone. Even the murderers.

People who get their death sentence commuted should die there though, all the other Manson cunts did and Charlie himself.

[quote] Why has this so triggered a certain poster?

Here.

Just like the Holocaust, the senseless Manson murders and the people who did it should NEVER be forgotten.

[quote] Why has this so triggered a certain poster?

And here.

Now do us all a favor and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Your defense of this evil, murderous CUNT is sickening!

Hello, I'm Leslie Van Houten for Ginsu Steak Knives.

The four murderers plus Manson, Leslie Van Houten and Clem Grogan went for a drive the following night. Manson was allegedly displeased with the panic and flight of the victims in the previous night's murders. He told Kasabian to drive to a house at 3301 Waverly Drive in the Los Feliz section of Los Angeles. Located next door to a home where Manson and Family members had attended a party the previous year. It belonged to supermarket executive Leno LaBianca and his wife, Rosemary, co-owner of a dress shop.

According to Atkins and Kasabian, Manson disappeared up the driveway and returned to say that he had tied up the house's occupants. Then Watson, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten went in. Watson claims in his autobiography that Manson went up alone, then returned to take him up to the house with him. Manson pointed out a sleeping man through a window, and the two entered through the unlocked back door.

Watson claims Manson roused the sleeping Leno LaBianca from the couch at gunpoint and had Watson bind his hands with a leather thong. Rosemary was brought into the living room from the bedroom, and Watson covered the couple's heads with pillowcases which he bound in place with lamp cords. Manson left, and Krenwinkel and Van Houten entered the house.

Watson had complained to Manson earlier of the inadequacy of the previous night's weapons. Watson sent the women from the kitchen to the bedroom, where Rosemary LaBianca had been returned, while he went to the living room and began stabbing Leno LaBianca with a chrome-plated bayonet. The first thrust went into his throat.

Watson heard a scuffle in the bedroom and went in there to discover Rosemary LaBianca keeping the women at bay by swinging the lamp tied to her neck. He stabbed her several times with the bayonet, then returned to the living room and resumed attacking Leno, whom he stabbed a total of 12 times. He then carved the word "WAR" into his abdomen.

Watson returned to the bedroom and found Krenwinkel stabbing Rosemary with a knife from the kitchen. Van Houten stabbed her approximately 16 times in the back and the exposed buttocks. Van Houten claimed at trial that Rosemary LaBianca was already dead during the stabbing. Evidence showed that many of the 41 stab wounds had, in fact, been inflicted post-mortem.

Watson then cleaned off the bayonet and showered, while Krenwinkel wrote "Rise" and "Death to pigs" on the walls and "Healter [sic] Skelter" on the refrigerator door, all in LaBianca's blood. She gave Leno LaBianca 14 puncture wounds with an ivory-handled, two-tined carving fork, which she left jutting out of his stomach. She also planted a steak knife in his throat.

Remembering all the victims of the massacres.

Here's hoping some equally-evil sick fuck jumps Leslie and carves her way through her back at buttocks.

Good times!

Yes, LVH did a terrible thing. And yes, in the years after, she showed no remorse.

Then along came a remarkable lady named Karlene Faith. She helped deprogram Leslie, and made her understand the terrible act she participated in. Made her understand what she had taken from other people. And the sheer gravity and weight of what she did.

Then, and only then could LVH truly begin to feel remorse, and begin the long painful process of rehabilitation.

People who hear about the crime, and shut down any notion of rehabilation and parole simply aren't thinking. You're lazy. Why not challenge yourself to think it through? Dare to have mercy.

I'm just sad Karlene didn't live to see this happen.

R81 is a retard.

R80 whatever DUMBASS made that has Gary Hinman as his killer Bobby Beausoleil.

Go fuck yourself, R82.

"Yes, LVH did a terrible thing. And yes, in the years after, she showed no remorse.

Then along came a remarkable lady named Karlene Faith. She helped deprogram Leslie, and made her understand the terrible act she participated in. Made her understand what she had taken from other people. And the sheer gravity and weight of what she did."

Wait, she needed a fucking cult de programmer to let her know what she "took from other people" Yeah, most people already know what murder does, Van Cunten really is an antisocial piece of shit if it took her several years to understand the magnitude of her crimes. Fuck her.

R81 why don’t you go kill her yourself you lazy fucking lunatic? You want someone else to murder her because you think she deserves it. What if you found out the LaBiancas secretly killed someone? Will you let Leslie off the hook then? I’m just trying to understand where eye for an eye ends. You don’t know everything and fate obviously is not up to you. So you can just get over it, or go kill Leslie like I suggested. Keep us posted please.

R72 yeah. 54 years ago genius. No one is saying she didn’t do awful things. 54 YEARS AGO. She’s paid for the crime. Her wounds to RL were inflicted post mortem. Are you the same person you were in 1969 if you’re old enough? All you can do is cite what went down and her response to it 54 YEARS AGO.

Now she can kill again. Great.

R80 the Bobby Beausoleil victim is almost comical

[quote] Isn't this the one who basically stayed in the car during the Tate murders or am I thinking of someone else?

If, indeed, she drove / stayed in the car during the murders, then she's the getaway driver, an accomplice. If you compare it to a bank robbery, the guy or girl outside the bank in the getaway car is an accomplice and thus, liable criminally as well.

R20 She and the other girls and Manson ha swastikas carved on their foreheads, they did it during the trial. Hers might not show any more or may have been removed.

Why does she need to spend time in a halfway house learning to use the INTERNET? They don’t have the internet in the prison library, or whatever? By the way there are many older people not in prison who can’t use the internet. But the government doesn’t give them free lessons, at least not where I live.

*had

Who needs to learn the internet? It’s been more or less mainstream 30 years now.

R92 well maybe they should make their way to prison so they too can be rehabilitated. America, FUCK YEAH!

[quote] Van Houten and another woman held down Rosemary LaBianca as Charles “Tex” Watson stabbed her husband. He handed Van Houten a knife after he was finished, and she testified at trial that she stabbed the woman at least 14 times.

[quote] “And I took one of the knives, and Patricia had one — a knife — and we started stabbing and cutting up the lady,” Van Houten testified in 1971. (Patricia Krenwinkel, another Manson follower, was a co-defendant.)

Relatives of the victims called Van Houten's release this week "nauseating" and "gut-wrenching," and said they feared it could open the door to other aging Manson family members being released.

"They are all psychopaths who have manipulated the systems," said Kay Hinman Martley, whose cousin Gary Hinman was also savagely murdered by Manson followers in July 1969.

Van Houten and others were convicted of murder and sentenced to death, but those penalties were commuted to life in prison due to the 1972 California Supreme Court decision to overturn the death penalty.

For decades, the state's parole board continued to deny release for any followers of Manson, who died in prison in 2017. That changed in 2008, when the state's Supreme Court ruled that parole could not be denied purely on the basis of the initial crime.

That change, however, didn't immediately open the doors for any of Manson's followers. Records show California governors have repeatedly reversed the parole board's decisions when they recommended release for Manson's followers.

"We have four other Manson killers in there, and I fear they will all get out," Hinman Martley said. "All these killers get all the help they want, but no one is doing anything for the victims."

OP? I hope she comes for you first.

She's already been released, regardless of what DL thinks. I don't think she should have been, but the parole board didn't consult me.

The nice thing is it's over. She will fade in oblivion. I doubt her death will even get an article, sparing us the Dead to Me thread.

But best of all the obsessive, oddly-fixated apologist who constantly dregs this up on here finally has nothing to talk about. The killer he loves walks free. And we'll never have to put up with his sentimental, twisted values drivel again.

R91 Linda Kasabian turned witness for the prosecution in exchange for immunity.

Joan Didion grew obsessed with the trial and with Kasabian and bought her at last one dress to wear from the I. Magnin department store.

One of many tangents from the killings and subsequent trial.

She was the star witness and her evidence was crucial in the other getting the death sentence.

Leslie is hanging out with her family and friends

[quote] Leslie is hanging out with her family and friends

Seriously? She still has family and "friends" who want to associate with her?

Why would anyone want to be friends or family with a murderous old cunt bag?

R99 Of course her death wll get an article.

*will

R102, Leslie has close family ties with her siblings and nieces and nephews. She has a lot of friends. She helped so many people .

[quote] She helped so many people

Is that including, or not including the people she stabbed to death?

R106 you know goddamned well she didn’t kill anyone in the Tate house, and didn’t kill Rosemary, considering Tex and Pat got to her first. So just give it. Your revisionist history ain’t changing anything.

Those pics are gruesome r106

All these decades later and still so profoundly sad what happened to those people. Sharon looked beautiful in even in death

Before, I was happy she was released because it is what is right. What is just.

Now, I'm even more happy because it pisses off so many common, small minded, petty, intellectually lazy, DLers.

She's free! Read 'em and weep!

Exactly r109 🙌

[quote] Now, I'm even more happy because it pisses off so many common, small minded, petty, intellectually lazy, DLers.

So mass murderers and their accomplices make you happy, then R109 and R110.

You enjoy the fact that someone participated in the grisly and bloody murders of nine innocent people, who brought none of it upon themselves, other than just existing?

You're happy that their lives were cut short, and the murderers get to go free and live out the rest of their lives?

You're happy that the families of the murder victims have to live with the knowledge that their loved ones were butchered by smiling, unapologetic cunts who thought the whole thing was one big funny game?

You're sick and twisted and evil, R109 and R110.

And I hope you suffer the same fate that Leslie Van Houten and her accomplices gave to their nine innocent victims.

R111 I’m not who you’re replying to but haven’t you made that exact same comment like….18 times already in this thread? We get it, you wish the same fate on a stranger because you’re *checks notes* sympathetic to the victims of violence?

I don’t see what’s to be happy about or to be so chuffed you post clapping hands emojis. If she killed your parents you probably wouldn’t be as blissful.

Look. If Leslie Van Houten has been rehabilitated that's great. But what she did was heinous. Monstrous. And those people are still dead. I 'm sorry she's been release. She should have got the death penalty. She was not waiting in the car terrified and confused like Kassabian. She was right there in the house, drenched in blood.

r109 and r110 would also have been ecstatic had the Nuremberg war criminals had their death sentences overturned and were released from prison.

r106 obviously went to school on a short bus. Nobody knows who dished out the fatal knife wound.

I love how this thread has become False Equivalencies Central.

For the poster(s) who are clamoring for her continued imprisonment and/or execution ... I have a sneaking suspicion it has less to do with the actual crimes, and more to do with a primitive impulse for punishment.

I suspect that a similar impulse fueled European witch hunts and American lynchings. Some people have always wanted to do horrible things to other people, but their ostensible moral framework will not permit it. So they focus on the alleged wrongdoing of their victim as a way to mitigate their own moral culpability.

Not saying this is 100% the same thing. Only that the impulse is the same.

[quote] Some people have always wanted to do horrible things to other people, but their ostensible moral framework will not permit it. So they focus on the alleged wrongdoing of their victim as a way to mitigate their own moral culpability.

Yes, because Leslie Van Houten is just a perfect little angel.

Like a little lamb.

And this is just a "witch hunt" to harass a poor, innocent woman.

Get the fuck out of here.

You're not much of an intellectual heavyweight, are you, r119?

r119 is having an enormous meltdown all over this thread.

r120 he effectively dismissed your drivel at r118

Is Oprah going to interview her? I would be interested to hear her story.

Can’t she just be repatriated to Amsterdam?

Coming soon to an old folks' home near you...

No one who has to invoke "I suspect" has the capacity to effectively dismiss a school room after the bell. I suspect means I'm making it up to suit me.

Okay, next time I'll use "posit" or "aver" r126

You'd still be talking out of your ass, dear.

Yes, indeed, r128. That is why I have the humility to preface things with "I suspect ..."

Humility is the quality of not being proud because you are aware of your bad qualities.

You don't fixate on a killer and claim humility, pumpkin.

I am opposed to capitol punishment. However for murder one life in prison seems mandatory and murders such as this gruesome one in particular. I don’t get it.

I really hope she does her best to keep a low profile and not speak with the press. She gets to live out what's left of her life a free woman and that's a tremendous gift.

I agree with R131.

Sharon’s surviving family members should put a hit on this odious cunt. Not everyone deserves to live.

Well, that would make them odious cunts too. Murder is either wrong or it's not.

The girls were proud of what they'd done.

R134 Leslie wasn’t even in the house when Sharon was killed. Tex and Susan killed Sharon. Susan is dead and Tex is in prison. But you probably fucking knew that.

Why so upset, R137? Why so invested?

Because it’s one or many trolls on these LVH threads that can’t get the facts straight about this case that even a child would know if they read about it or you told them. Don’t feed the trolls is best going forward.

Oh my R131!

She was part of the cult. Fuck her and anyone who thinks she should walk free.

But R139, do you traverse DL as the get the facts straight troll? If not, why do you care so much about this topic specifically and in particular? You seem very passionate about a murderess.

R142 by all means, don’t let the FACTS and TRUTH get in the way. You must be MAGA. And I care about it just to bug the shit out of you. Rosemary was dead before Leslie got to her, so she didn’t murder anyone Einstein.

I want Leslie Van Houten to be Leslie Van Houtened.

I would love for her to experience what her victims went through.

Let HER know the true horror of what she did to them.

[quote]And I care about it just to bug the shit out of you.

Then I don't have to suspect it: you're pretty sad, R144. And I don't even need all caps to prove it.

[quote]Because it’s one or many trolls on these LVH threads that can’t get the facts straight about this case that even a child would know if they read about it or you told them.

You tell children the facts about cases of bloody massacres? Doesn't that traumatize them?

R145 and you’re an ignorant twat who doesn’t understand compassion for another human being. I think the parole board knows just a little more than your feeble mind can grasp. R146. Nope. Children would comprehend better than you obviously.

[quote] you’re an ignorant twat who doesn’t understand compassion for another human being

I wish you and LVH would be locked in a dark room for hours, and she stabs you in the buttocks after you're dead.

This is what needs to happen to R147, for this beast to understand the atrocities committed by Leslie Van Houten.

Only after being brutally stabbed to death, would someone like R147 fully comprehend the depravity of these killings.

The r143 caps troll is also a liar. No one knows when Rosemary actually died or who cast the killing blow. But she does love to troll.

R148 the LVH now is not the same one as in 1969. And I thought you found what she did abhorrent (stabbing a woman already dead) but you wish it on me?! Says a lot about you.

R149 you do know there were others that took part in this for two nights right? I’m not here to educate. That’s what Google is for. The woman did a horrific thing, But she served 54 years for it.

R150 RL was dead after Tex and Pat got through with her. I repeat. She’s no angel. But she served hard time for it.

R151 cite? No one knows when she actually died.

[quote] The woman did a horrific thing, But she served 54 years for it.

Her victims did nothing, and now they're dead.

Leslie Van Houten deserves nothing less than DEATH.

R153 she didn’t have 123 victims. She stabbed a woman who was already dead. One. She didn’t even touch Leno LaBianca. She wasn’t in the Tate house. There are no multiple victims. Maybe eventually this will sink in to the trolls on here who thinks she’s the worlds worst serial killer.

Wow, you really are a rabid FEMINAZI, aren't you R154?

Apparently, women can do no wrong in your book.

Accomplices to brutal murders, ritualistic cult killings, and desecration of corpses.

None of that even registers with you OR your agenda.

Sounds like YOU need to be locked up too.

r154 continues to claim that Rosemary was already dead when there is no evidence to support the claim. It is a troll.

I’ve always said it…but anyone with more than a passing knowledge of this whole situation….🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

Leslie Van BURN IN HELL!!!

R155 idiot. She did do wrong. And she served 54 years for it. You need to be locked up in an insane asylum. R156 you’re the troll. Tex killed the others fast. He was the one responsible for most of the carnage. And Pat most likely finished RL off if Tex hadn’t done it already. How much stabbing in the back you think someone can endure before they’re dead? So Tex and Pat. You got a problem with this? Take it up with the parole board. I think they no more about this case than you ever will.

DIE, Leslie.

DIE!!!!!!

R157 Disagree. It was a pivotal moment in our culture. And a fascinating story of a con man who took advantage of a movement and corrupted it, and tainted it for all time.

And consequences still reverberate throughout pop culture with movies like Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood, tv shows like Mindhuter, and books like Chaos.

A very interesting story, and one we have not heard the last of.

R136 yeah they WERE proud, but it's 54 years later, you moron. LVH is no longer proud, but ashamed and remorseful.

Amazing how this cunt has defenders.

Right R163, and they will say it's because they are better people and aren't bloodthirsty and believe people can change, and believe in forgiveness, etc. But I say that anyone who joins up with a fucking creepy cult leader like Manson deserves to be taken out of society forever. She clearly has shitty instincts and no bullshit detector and will probably be taken in again. Too bad she was locked up when Jonestown happened, she could have died there and saved us all a lot of money.

R161 i get what you mean but I respectfully disagree. I don’t think mass murder is culturally valuable or interesting, and like I said, I think people that are obsessed with or even very interested by these stories are weird. It’s very tabloid, and I think disrespectful to the families of the victims.

Truth r164…

R137 Manson wasn’t much of a hands-on murderer either.

Leslie is exceptionally bright .

"I want Leslie Van Houten to be Leslie Van Houtened."

Then do you want Trump to be Trumped? Robbed, raped and terrorized?

R169- Don't be silly. Of course we do.

R165 I’m not R161 but I do find this crime culturally interesting (Tate killings, not the Labiancas). I remember reading the headlines at the time (I was 9 - yes I’m an eldergay) and it has continued to resonate because of four of the victims - the actress, the heiress, the entrepreneur and the immigrant. I wasn’t that interested in Stephen Parent for that reason and I know that most of the above makes me seem really shallow - I can live with that.

Once I was in LA and staying in Bel Air with a bunch of people. Two of us needed a break from the crowd so we spent the day just cruising LA and decided to check out Cielo Drive. It was beautiful (the neighbourhood) - stopped at the bottom of the cul de sac opposite Bella Drive and walked a little way up to where we could see the gates and realising that there was nothing to see, and also mindful of the poor neighbours who must get tired of sightseers like us, got back in the car and drive off.

But weirdly, we then decided to check out Griffith Park Observatory. It was baking hot and we couldn’t find a park so we headed down to Los Feliz. Pulled over because we were arguing about what Google maps was telling us and plugged in the address of where we were - we were right outside the Labianca’s place on Waverly Drive. Still recognisable with the house set right back off the block. I took that as Leno and Rosemary sending me a reminder for never being that interested.

Do people actually live in the Tate and LaBianca murder houses, R171??

I never thought the houses would still be there, after such horrible murders happening in those homes.

The Tate house was demolished years ago and replaced with an horrific mansion. The LaBianca house is still there although successive owners changed the appearance. Both houses changed the street numbers to deter sightseers.

The last person to live in the Tate house was Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails.

Although it had to go it was a shame as it was a beautiful house in an amazing location.

I agree, that house was fucking *gorgeous*, such a shame it had to go, but it did. It’s amazing it took that long too.

Ex-'Family' member interviewed.

Larry King interviews subjects involved, 2009.

Bunp

R174 Who would want to live in it?

R178 it had a few residents before it was demolished. Some people don’t care. The LaBianca home is still standing and multiple people have lived there.

I bet Leslie is on an emotional high right now

Um, YEAH r180. However, the flip side is if you talk to people who were incarcerated for years, some of them truly are in shock and awe at the new world. It’s painful. They don’t know how to be okay, or they keep having flashbacks of prison and the violence they witnessed. Or they long for the regime of they’d body being trained to the rhythms of life there, same meal time, same clothes, same guards, same room, same TV, they miss the ritual and hum of the order.

Leslie is likely on an emotional high *and* missing people she loved who she left inside. Maybe there was a therapy dig, she would miss that. She would miss having contact with multiple women most days. She might still miss her youth, we don’t know of course. All this to say, I would imagine coming out after that long is one of the most unique experiences a human can have, I would put it up there with prisoners of war. Think of what POW’s were like when they came up? They were and are always a mess. It damages their psyche. I don’t think American prisoners go through any less trauma than a POW, except for (maybe) less blatant physical torture. The guards torture them in ways that are not so obvious.

I will say, if LVH gives an interview, I will watch it, if only for the case study on recovery in a post-prison individual. We should be studying all of these people who come out after 25+ years. Can you imagine what they might teach us about things like memory, ACES, race, culture, spiritual fitness, brain health, mental illness, the after effects of years in solitary (what happens to the brain?), addiction, genetic pre-dispositions to criminal behavior and criminal thinking? They should all be studied, including her. So I will indeed watch an interview if she grants one.

[quote] genetic pre-dispositions to criminal

Oh god this website gets darker every day.

Yeah I don't know R181, a POW and a coddled prisoner with an email account and commissary and the ear of idiot rich famous people are not the same.. If she doesn't enjoy the free world, she can always take a bath with a hair dryer and ride the lightning like she was supposed to some 50 years ago.