As the Broadway musical gears up, it's time to reflect on one of the greatest casting decisions in movie history: Replacing Eric Stoltz with Michael J. Fox in Back To The Future. There's been so much written and said, but it seem obvious that BTTF is a really beloved classic with Fox and almost certainly wouldn't have been with Stoltz. There are a few scene with Stoltz that have been put out, none with him doing any dialogue. Tom Wilson who was pretty unforgettable as Biff said that they had almost finished the movie when Stoltz was fired. Co-creator Bob Gale said the reason you'll never see an entire performance is because Stoltz just isn't very good and he doesn't want to further embarrass him as he is still a working actor and director. I also have to believe that his contract would specify him getting paid again for any releases with him speaking dialogue. And Wilson said simply that Stoltz was bad and very unfriendly.
Eric Stoltz in Back to the Future
|by Anonymous||reply 169||November 21, 2023 7:52 AM|
Well at least I don't shake uncontrollably.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||July 10, 2023 6:53 PM|
Fox was much better looking so there's that.
I'm shocked that Stoltz had the audacity to argue so bitterly with the Director
|by Anonymous||reply 2||July 10, 2023 6:56 PM|
Fox was extremely likable in this film.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||July 10, 2023 7:02 PM|
If you see the comparisons, it's almost ridiculous. Fox's approach is so perfect and the scene where they encounter George at the soda shop shows Stoltz with really no reaction and Fox already creating a character.
Lea Thompson said that even though Stoltz is very funny in real life, he was not funny at all in the movie because he considered it a "tragedy". She said he also did things like show up with long dirty fingernails because that's what guitarists do.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||July 10, 2023 7:04 PM|
I’d rather see the footage of Michael J. Fox in Mask, before he was fired and replaced by Erik Stoltz.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||July 10, 2023 7:10 PM|
[quote] Fox was much better looking so there's that.
Nope. Hot non-midget ginger for the win.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||July 10, 2023 7:22 PM|
I wish they'd had Michael do a bit of full frontal nudity
|by Anonymous||reply 7||July 10, 2023 7:23 PM|
Hadn’t Stoltz just starred in SOME KIND OF WONDERFUL with Lea Thompson?
|by Anonymous||reply 8||July 10, 2023 7:26 PM|
Fox's shortness was so perfect in comparison to Wilson's beefy size. I also think there's no way Stoltz could have had the same chemistry Fox did with Christopher Lloyd.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||July 10, 2023 7:28 PM|
Some Kind of Wonderful was released in Feb. 1987.
Back to the Future came out in July 1985.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||July 10, 2023 7:29 PM|
Has anyone read any of Michael J. Fox's autobiographies? Would he have been allowed to comment on being asked to step into the role of Marty McFly?
|by Anonymous||reply 11||July 10, 2023 7:32 PM|
[quote]Tom Wilson who was pretty unforgettable as Biff said that they had almost finished the movie when Stoltz was fired.
And the studio had no problem with that? No problem giving the producers enough money to do the movie all over again with Fox?
|by Anonymous||reply 12||July 10, 2023 9:20 PM|
American Film Institute catalog entry for Back to the Future says that the production ran Nov 26, 1984 to April 26 1985 in greater Los Angeles area.
Eric Stoltz filmed for five weeks.
[quote]Eric Stoltz was originally cast as “Marty McFly,” as stated in the 7 Jul 1985 Chicago Tribune. After five weeks of filming, however, Stoltz was fired and replaced with Michael J. Fox. In a 17 Jan 1985 DV news item, Stoltz’s manager, Helen Sugland, described Stoltz’s firing as “totally out of left field” and stated that the actor had only received positive feedback from the director on set. Zemeckis explained to Chicago Tribune that Stoltz’s firing had nothing to do with the actor's talent, but stated that his “performance was not in synch with” Zemeckis’s vision. The footage shot during the first five weeks with Stoltz was scrapped, and the film’s release date was delayed from 21 Jun 1985 to 3 Jul 1985. For the remainder of production, Michael J. Fox, who was starring in the television series Family Ties (NBC, 22 Sep 1982--17 Sep 1989) at the time, spent days on the set of Family Ties and nights filming Back to the Future.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||July 10, 2023 9:43 PM|
I don't know how I would deal with a situation like this if I was Eric Stoltz....being fired and replaced, and then the movie goes on to be the biggest hit of the year.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||July 10, 2023 9:52 PM|
R14 and then understanding it wouldn't have been the biggest hit of the year with him in it.
R12, I think the studio really felt they had a hit on their hands but not with Stoltz so they allowed them to recast. Although the shooting with Stoltz went on for weeks, apparently in the last few, they didn't even do reverse angles with Stoltz because they were aware they were going to replace him and would simply use those shots again with Fox in the reverse angles.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||July 10, 2023 9:54 PM|
Stoltz should have listened to the Director instead of going with his own feeling this movie was "a tragedy". How the fuck do you know what it is Arrogant Eric, did you write it?!
|by Anonymous||reply 16||July 10, 2023 10:05 PM|
Stoltz is a good actor but he wasn’t the right choice for a comedy popcorn movie, especially since he had no idea that’s what he was acting in.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||July 10, 2023 10:08 PM|
[quote] If you see the comparisons, it's almost ridiculous. Fox's approach is so perfect and the scene where they encounter George at the soda shop shows Stoltz with really no reaction and Fox already creating a character.
Was Fox really an actor "creating a character" or does he just naturally bring with him a certain quality that Stoltz didn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||July 10, 2023 10:13 PM|
It’s weird to think of Back to the Future as a “tragedy.” It is a fun silly comedy. What was the tragedy angle?
|by Anonymous||reply 19||July 10, 2023 10:26 PM|
R19 I think because the kid can go back and change the future, plus get to meet his parents as teens
|by Anonymous||reply 20||July 10, 2023 10:37 PM|
Stoltz thought he was filming a tragedy? To be released as a summer flick? He sounds like an idiot.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||July 10, 2023 10:39 PM|
I guess I’m team minority again. I watched this film putting myself in place of the protagonist and did indeed want to slap it into the seriousness that the actual situation warranted. Dammit! Think of the lives that could have been saved!
|by Anonymous||reply 22||July 10, 2023 10:41 PM|
[quote]I don't know how I would deal with a situation like this if I was Eric Stoltz
I'm pretty sure continuing to work for decades and branching out into directing were soothing balms for this tragic burn.
No matter how you slice it, MJF got the worse deal in life. Still, both of them are doing just fine.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||July 10, 2023 11:04 PM|
I wonder who they would have cast if Family Ties had refused to allow Michael J. Fox to film Back to the Future. Producer Gary Goldberg could have said No, could have refused to allow Fox to film Family Ties during the day and Back to the Future at night. Then they would have had to find someone else.
Who else could they have cast as Marty McFly?
|by Anonymous||reply 24||July 10, 2023 11:40 PM|
R24, I think Jon Cryer would have been great. Right age, very funny and likable.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||July 10, 2023 11:42 PM|
Without MJF they would probably would have plodded on with Stolz. The film would have been a wreck, there would be no sequels, and it would eventually be largely forgotten. I think the only reason they changed leads is because they wanted MJF first and they were able to work out a deal with Family Ties after initially being turned down. Stoltz was always the second choice. Without MJF he probably would've remained their only choice.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||July 10, 2023 11:49 PM|
It sounds like Fox wasn't told of the offer until they approached a second time after Stoltz wasn't working out. Maybe he put his foot down and said he wanted to do it and the Family Ties producer relented
|by Anonymous||reply 27||July 11, 2023 12:11 AM|
Stoltz doesn't speak of it often (duh) but did say something like he moved to Europe after this and started doing theater but he regrets not being in it because it would have made him rich, albeit he would have been in therapy. Regardless of how he branched out, his name will be more linked with his firing from BTTF than anything else.
Speaking of Jon Cryer, here is his test. He's quite good in the car scene but I think the only other actor I could see at the time doing it was ironically Matthew Broderick, who Fox replaced in Family Ties. I think C. Thomas Howell was very strongly considered since his audition is fairly long and he's with Lea Thompson.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||July 11, 2023 12:21 AM|
Ben Stiller as Marty McFly! I want to see the alternate version with him and then his dad Jerry Stiller as George McFly
|by Anonymous||reply 29||July 11, 2023 12:37 AM|
MJF has natural charisma on screen.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||July 11, 2023 4:28 AM|
Back to the Future top 5 favorite films of mine I was utterly shocked when I learned of this watching a Netflix documentary a decade ago. Watching the brief scenes, and stills it was almost like a different film with him in it. Like sort of dramatic, and quasi postmodern not the comedy like the producers intended.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||July 11, 2023 4:42 AM|
And MJF was so gracious when he said he couldn't have played a drug dealer in Pulp Fiction.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||July 11, 2023 4:42 AM|
R1 You were shooketh when I stole your role bitch. The only blockbuster you appeared in thereafter had you bed rest for 3/4 of the film with a former In Living Color dancer and gangsta rapper playing hero.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||July 11, 2023 4:45 AM|
R28 oh please. People barely know this trivia fact. They remember him from the Mask.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||July 11, 2023 4:48 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 35||July 11, 2023 4:51 AM|
R9 agreed. MJF character is not a nerd or gawky just short. He goes back in time and horrifically discovers his dad is a geek.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||July 11, 2023 4:52 AM|
This is quite an interesting summary of what happened:
|by Anonymous||reply 37||July 11, 2023 4:55 AM|
R12 yeah from that YouTube posting above it looks like it. I never knew THAT many still photos and takes existed. This had to extremely soul crushing for a young actor, especially as the film not only was a hit but also this huge blockbuster. Good god. Good on Stoltz for not losing his mind. If there is any balance Stoltz is more classically handsome.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||July 11, 2023 4:55 AM|
R34, Mask is already forgotten.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||July 11, 2023 5:00 AM|
Perhaps the original ending was different with an Oedipus angle with Marty accidentally killing his father and fucking his own mom, fathering his own child. 😂 That could explain Stoltz interpretation.
With that being said they still have never explained why his parents don’t remember him and that they knew someone identical in looks when Marty grew up into a teenager.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||July 11, 2023 5:04 AM|
Oh Jesus isn't it obvious to see why happened? He was a serious actor who was rewarded for edgy dramatic roles and he misinterpreted the way to play this. He took himself too seriously and thought he was doing something new like Brando.
His director should have told him to ham it up.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||July 11, 2023 5:31 AM|
Stoltz was horribly miscast. He's handsome and an excellent actor but he isn't likeable. He's a serious actor and was proud of it.
Whereas with Fox - all he needed to do was turn around and look in the direction of the camera and ZING! Likeability and charisma.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||July 11, 2023 5:45 AM|
And judging from Stoltz' body of work, he is incapable of lightness and humor, especially physical. He was a baffling choice.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||July 11, 2023 5:57 AM|
Exactly R43. He was badly miscast.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||July 11, 2023 6:00 AM|
Stoltz would have been good in the Fox role in "Casualties of War."
|by Anonymous||reply 45||July 11, 2023 7:14 AM|
[quote] His director should have told him to ham it up.
Brilliant idea! I'm sure Zemeckis never thought of actually giving Stoltz direction. Just went straight to firing his star and reshooting an entire movie that was almost completely in the can already. Too bad you weren't around to advise him!
|by Anonymous||reply 46||July 11, 2023 10:41 AM|
R40, I was wondering the same thing... did the film end differently when Stoltz read an early version? What if Marty had not been successful in bringing his parents together at the high school dance? He, and his siblings, would cease to exist. His father would never have punched Biff, become a high school hero, gotten the girl, etc...
|by Anonymous||reply 47||July 11, 2023 11:04 AM|
Mr Stoltz used to nibble on my lady lumps!
|by Anonymous||reply 48||July 11, 2023 11:56 AM|
The ending was always the same but Stoltz interpreted it as being tragic because there's a whole other history that no one else in the family knows except Marty. Those brief clips suggest he was doing a Twilight Zone episode.
The key line in the film is "Are you trying to tell me that my mother has got the hots for me?". Fox's delivery is so perfect, funny, exasperated and just slightly repulsed. I can't even imagine what Stoltz could have gotten out of that line.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||July 11, 2023 3:27 PM|
I will say this for Eric Stoltz: especially with the black hair he sported in BTTF, he looked a lot more like the child of Lea Thompson and Crispin Glover than Michael J. Fox did.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||July 11, 2023 6:09 PM|
R46 I think he only shot 5 /14 weeks and even in the last 2 weeks they were only filming Doc as they knew he was going to be replaced, which was really a shitty thing to do to him.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||July 11, 2023 7:20 PM|
Is that Christopher Lloyd in OP’s pic?
|by Anonymous||reply 52||July 11, 2023 7:40 PM|
Eric Stoltz has a fire crotch.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||July 11, 2023 7:43 PM|
R46 I don't think they really informed him because how obtuse would you have to be to play dark despite the director telling you it's meant to be an action comedy.
I'm thinking he's such a good actor, he could have tried comedy as a challenge but they didn't really manipulate him enough to procure the best results.
Actors aren't just one limited range. You can get a different result by having them, you know, act.
I think he was young kid trying to take himself seriously and make a dramatic name for himself, like James Dean. Yes, probably miscast but with good direction possibly could have gotten better results.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||July 12, 2023 4:33 AM|
R54, how obtuse do you have to be to read that script and not know it's a comedy. He already expressed at the first read through that he thought it was a tragedy. In the end, Stoltz' body of work pretty much proves he is not talented at comedy, certainly not the slapstick things that MJF excelled at. Regardless of how he was directed, the movie would have been a whiff with him in the lead.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||July 12, 2023 4:46 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 56||July 12, 2023 4:49 AM|
I don't want Eric Stoltz to off himself because he was a cocky little actor miscast.
If only he had a time machine and could go back in time and reenact his scenes, I'm sure he'd turn on the charm.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||July 12, 2023 4:51 AM|
I understand the folk-logic of the story they didn’t shoot Stoltz’s angles for the last two weeks because he was going to be replaced, but there’s no way that could happen for one day, much less ten shooting days, without Stoltz asking what the fuck is going on.
The only footage that would be re-usable in that situation would Lloyds close-up. Even the over the shoulder shots of Lloyd wouldn’t work because of the height and hair differences, plus they completely changed Marty’s costume. I’m calling shenanigans.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||July 12, 2023 5:00 AM|
And to tie this to another bomb, there's a reference in The Flash where in the alternate universe, Stoltz is in Back To The Future, an ironic idea considering the movie it's in.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||July 12, 2023 5:02 AM|
Does Michael J have a nice pinga?
|by Anonymous||reply 60||July 12, 2023 6:48 AM|
I think it's just an average sized but nice looking one R60.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||July 12, 2023 7:00 AM|
Thanks R61 he had a nice ass and seemed to be a good person. Would he have been a good Ferris bueller?
|by Anonymous||reply 62||July 12, 2023 7:03 AM|
No I don't think so R62. Matthew Broderick was perfectly cast in my opinion. Fox was perfectly cast in Back to the Future.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||July 12, 2023 7:08 AM|
This thread sent me down a rabbit hole, and I discovered that Bob Gale confirmed Biff in part 2 was based on Donald Trump. I thought it was just a fan theory.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||July 12, 2023 12:59 PM|
Now I'd like to see the edgier version with the handsome Eric Stolz. I liked MJF in Family Ties, but he was so cheesy in Back to the Future.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||July 12, 2023 6:50 PM|
MJF wasn't very cute in Family Ties
|by Anonymous||reply 66||July 12, 2023 6:53 PM|
MJF was fucking adorable in Family Ties.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||July 12, 2023 6:55 PM|
[quote] Eric Stoltz has a fire crotch.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||July 12, 2023 6:57 PM|
Proof and damn it's not pretty. Eric likes to go naked on camera.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||July 12, 2023 7:05 PM|
R65 That would be hilarious if everyone else was serious.
In a world, where a Delorean time travel, some punk kid fed up with high school and the 80s time travels and fucking takes everything too seriously.
Or maybe he's the normal one and everyone else is a fake caricature. Great Black Mirror vibes
|by Anonymous||reply 70||July 13, 2023 1:20 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 71||July 13, 2023 1:22 AM|
It's still cracking me up that Stoltz read BTTF as a tragedy. Did he think they hired Huey Lewis & the News to provide the soundtrack out of irony?
|by Anonymous||reply 72||July 13, 2023 4:00 AM|
I’m wondering if there were significant script re-writes between Eric’s filming and MJF’s filming?? The footage from Eric Stolz as Marty does look a little grayer and grim compared to the lighter tone of the actual movie. And wasnt the time machine originally supposed to be a fridge and then later was rewritten to be a Delorean?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||July 13, 2023 4:09 AM|
I noticed the differences in the look as well - but then remembered the Fox stills are from a finished, color timed film and the Stoltz images are either from dailies or set still that never got properly timed.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||July 13, 2023 4:25 AM|
Chris Lloyd is still alive?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||July 13, 2023 5:59 AM|
Stoltz seems to reimagined the script as something sadder and more introspective, along the lines of "Peggy Sue Got Married."
|by Anonymous||reply 76||July 13, 2023 6:41 AM|
He completely misinterpreted the script is what you mean R76.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||July 13, 2023 7:04 AM|
Stoltz is not the only one to have said over the years that the ending is deeply tragic/fucked up. Marty is the only one in the family who remembers their entire previous life. He made his family wealthy and "better" and now has a great car. It could have easily have been played as extremely dark take on the American Dream.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||July 13, 2023 7:05 AM|
MJF was hugely, at the time, popular due to Family Ties. His FT character was a young Republican in the Reagan era.
I can't even remember the plot to BTTF. Yet, I can remember the plot to "Peggy Sue Got Married." I can understand why Stoltz would have tried to inject some "Our Town" / "Peggy Sue" into BTTF.
If I had to rewatch BTTF or "Peggy Sue," I'd probably choose Peggy Sue.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||July 13, 2023 7:26 AM|
Stoltz in "Our Town." He was nominated for a Tony in 1989 for playing George.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||July 13, 2023 7:32 AM|
R80, ha! He probably was thinking about Our Town!
Side note, I remember being really moved, the first time I saw Our Town, the scene where she relives an ordinary day with her parents. Yes, Mary.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||July 13, 2023 8:00 AM|
“She loves you woah, woah, woah!”
|by Anonymous||reply 82||July 13, 2023 2:46 PM|
The way Turner on the phone says “Grandma?” chokes me up just thinking about it. Great films truly are a handful of indelible moments.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||July 13, 2023 2:49 PM|
Get back to MY movie, bitches!
|by Anonymous||reply 84||July 13, 2023 3:07 PM|
"We just took one look at Michael, and knew he was gonna shake things up."
|by Anonymous||reply 85||July 13, 2023 3:34 PM|
Stoltz looked hot with the darker, messy hair.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||July 13, 2023 4:11 PM|
Eric Stoltz and his perfectly lovely little penis.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||July 13, 2023 4:51 PM|
I agree R86
|by Anonymous||reply 88||July 13, 2023 10:45 PM|
Well they fired Crispin Glover too from the second one.
How many of the main actors in films are usually fired?
Crispin said he was questioning the message of the film that having nicer stuff was the moral. He said he thought it should be the love of the family.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||July 14, 2023 12:24 AM|
They threw these actors away like garbage.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||July 14, 2023 12:26 AM|
[quote]Has anyone read any of Michael J. Fox's autobiographies? Would he have been allowed to comment on being asked to step into the role of Marty McFly?
I've read the three autobiographies; the fourth book is more of a commencement speech. Fox confirms that he was the producers' first choice for "Back to the Future," information "Family Ties" creator Gary David Goldberg initially kept from him (they'd approached Goldberg, not Fox). Goldberg wanted "Ties" to be his sole focus.
Once the role was available again, Fox had to placate Goldberg by agreeing to a punishing schedule that kept him front and center on "Ties."
|by Anonymous||reply 91||July 14, 2023 12:47 AM|
Fuck Family Ties
|by Anonymous||reply 92||July 14, 2023 1:07 AM|
Thank you R91.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||July 14, 2023 1:19 AM|
Yeah they fired two main actors so they sucked dicked at direction and casting and it doesn't hold up if you rewatch it now. It was great in it's time.
Eric Stoltz dystopian version might have held up after a 9/11 world. He was too avant Garde for his time.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||July 14, 2023 1:25 AM|
I guess nobody read Ralph Macchio’s recent autobiography because nobody’s mentioned (unless I missed it) that he wrote he was originally offered Marty McFly. And I think turned it down. That would have been pre-Stoltz, I guess. I forget, now. The producers always wanted Fox, though - he was just too busy.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||July 14, 2023 1:41 AM|
[quote] and it doesn't hold up if you rewatch it now. It was great in it's time.
It holds up. And oh, dear.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||July 14, 2023 1:42 AM|
This article clarifies that Ralph Macchio was in discussion to play Marty McFly. But he was never offered the part.
He never even screen tested for the part. He merely had a meeting with producers about the part.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||July 14, 2023 2:00 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 98||July 14, 2023 2:21 AM|
R97 I stand corrected.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||July 14, 2023 2:34 AM|
I’m jealous he has all his hair, but as he gets older and grayer he’ll probably look like Tip O’Neill.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||July 15, 2023 7:03 PM|
Or maybe not.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||July 15, 2023 7:03 PM|
Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd made that film. Without the chemistry of those two together it wouldn’t have been as iconic.
I still cry every time I watch it and the sequels.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||November 17, 2023 1:06 PM|
It was a good story, well thought out. All the characters shined.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||November 17, 2023 1:16 PM|
I've heard that when shooting Teen Wolf, MJF would see them filming BTTF in the same area and think "Now that's a film I should be working on."
|by Anonymous||reply 104||November 17, 2023 1:19 PM|
R78 It's not that fucked up. Who would want to remember their white trash, emotionally unavailable family? The family is better.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||November 17, 2023 1:19 PM|
The producers liked how Fox literally vibrated with energy.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||November 17, 2023 1:27 PM|
Peggy Sue Got Married is great--captures the period (Joan Allen looks like my older sister's best friend did back in those days), but is stuck with Nicolas Cage. He lacks subtlety and even "you mean my wang" has the wrong tone (his embarrassment should keep it from being too LOL funny). Even Jim Carrey is tolerable (because it's a small part).
BTTF clearly is more of a comedy, but I could see how it was viewed otherwise. It's really more of a warmedy, as some people call it with some typical movie comedy sequences thrown in. Cryer tends to be annoying and wouldn't have been able to carry the film. Fox has a real likability and more charisma than Mathew Broderick would have brought. Ditto "Family Ties".
|by Anonymous||reply 107||November 17, 2023 1:42 PM|
I think not even RDJ could have pulled off what MJF did in this film, let alone Broderick or Macchio (perfect as they both were for other things).
|by Anonymous||reply 108||November 17, 2023 1:51 PM|
You can tell from the screenshots alone that Stoltz was giving off a much darker, more brooding tone of performance, which didn’t suit the tone of the film. Fox was perfect in the role. I wonder how the rest of the cast felt, however, having to essential shoot the thing twice? I guess it’s a glass half empty/half full type scenario.
Crispin Glover, from what I’ve gathered, is a very “eccentric” guy and had a case of “main character syndrome” as in he thought he was the central star. However, there’s two sides to every story. He certainly gave a memorable performance and I’d like to have seen him in other things.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||November 17, 2023 1:57 PM|
It's comical that Marty's mom falls for Michael J. Fox as hard as she does. It would've been too believable for her to fall for Eric Stoltz.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||November 17, 2023 2:48 PM|
Eric went on to have a fine career. Fox followed BTTF as the lead in alot of duds.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||November 17, 2023 3:20 PM|
I remember Zemeckis changed directions during the production of Death Becomes Her (a good film and cult favorite but not a blockbuster like Back to the Future or Forrest Gump, I know). Tracey Ullman was not fired, yet her character was simply eliminated from the final form of Death Becomes Her.
I think it must be so stressful making decisions like these, high profile expensive projects.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||November 17, 2023 3:26 PM|
He definitely made the right decision R112. I just wish all the deleted scenes could be viewed even if they’re transferred from a second generation VHS tape.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||November 17, 2023 3:57 PM|
I recently rewatched the BTF trilogy and it still holds up as a thoroughly entertaining series. I’m so glad Hollywood hasn’t gotten its grubby hands and tried to make a reboot or unwanted decades on sequel.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||November 17, 2023 4:01 PM|
Zemeckis and Bob Gale won’t let anyone reboot it or make another sequel as long as they live. I agree with them…but I do like to daydream where a possible third or fourth installment could have gone.
Christopher Lloyd said he wanted to see Doc and Marty in Ancient Rome. However, fantasy is almost always better than reality.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||November 17, 2023 4:06 PM|
Christopher Lloyd and MJF had such brilliant chemistry but I do wonder how MJF would have been with John Lithgow (original choice) as Doc. I can see that.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||November 17, 2023 6:21 PM|
A possible third installment, R115? You should watch the one they actually made.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||November 18, 2023 6:06 AM|
Good point R110. That could easily have been a more icky plot point with Stolz than it ended up being, since Fox is so asexual.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||November 18, 2023 6:27 AM|
Some of this was covered in the MJ Fox documentary on Netflix. I felt I was watching his first book Lucky Man come to life.
I went to a Family Ties taping in its last season. The warmup guy was giving away SIGNED CAST t-shirts. He says who wants one and I raised my hand, and he says come down here and sing the theme song if you want the t-shirt.
The show was airing nightly in reruns in syndication but with an abridged theme song. I couldn't remember how it all started! They had another audience member sing with me and when she started ("I Bet We've Been Together...") I recalled the whole song. I said, "Oh, oh are we starting now??"
I did sing "What would we do bay-beeee" similar to how Deniece Williams did...it got a laugh. I still have the t-shirt. The warm up guy said as he handed it to me, 'thanks for doing the Richard Harris version' as I can't carry a tune.
There's a channel on my Samsung TV and it loops FT reruns all day and all night long. My favorites are the two part Ellen episode; the family meets Nick, and A, My Name Is Alex which deals with Alex's reaction to the tragic death of his hottie best friend played by Brian McNamara.
Fox tested against some name actors for Alex but I read that if those other actors got two laughs per line then Fox got three.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||November 18, 2023 6:50 AM|
I was never attracted to Michael J Fox but Stoltz was kind of cute
|by Anonymous||reply 120||November 18, 2023 7:01 AM|
[quote] Fox was much better looking so there's that.
Not even close. Are you blind?!
|by Anonymous||reply 121||November 18, 2023 7:07 AM|
This is a movie I’ve never wanted to see : ( It just sounds so lightweight and corny.
I do like Peggy Sue Got Married.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||November 18, 2023 7:17 AM|
R121, so glad you found us Eric. I guess Googling your name can pay off.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||November 18, 2023 7:49 AM|
R117 I mistyped. Technically, the second and their films were filmed back to back as one long film and then split into two parts. When Jennifer wakes up on the porch they literally just waited for the sun rise so it literally is filmed a few minutes after they put her there.
In my mind it’s one single movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||November 18, 2023 12:37 PM|
I like BTTF, but I wish the whole “white people invented rock n roll” part were altered. Like, have Marty play a different song, and not have Chuck Berry’s cousin as a character.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||November 18, 2023 2:19 PM|
@r124, "In my mind it’s one single movie."
Must be interesting in there... Is WWI and WWII one continuous war to you as well? 🤔
|by Anonymous||reply 126||November 18, 2023 2:36 PM|
This is probably why he was so serious. Wasn't he shooting Mask at the same time?
|by Anonymous||reply 127||November 18, 2023 2:39 PM|
Eric Stoltz is pretty.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||November 18, 2023 2:44 PM|
The only thing I remember him in is his supporting role in THE HOUSE OF MIRTH. (I never saw MASK because, though it’s sacrilege, I’m not a big Cher fan.)
|by Anonymous||reply 129||November 18, 2023 7:54 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 130||November 18, 2023 7:55 PM|
I want to tear that Jetsons t-shirt off of Billy Zane's torso in R28's link.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||November 18, 2023 8:12 PM|
Anyone who never saw Some Kind of Wonderful or Eric Stoltz in it doesn't deserve to post in this thread (I'm looking at you, R129).
|by Anonymous||reply 132||November 18, 2023 8:23 PM|
I was one of the few people who liked The Fly II.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||November 18, 2023 8:24 PM|
R130 that is some horrible ass line delivery. Look at how people talked in the 1920s when pictures were just getting started. Faster, high energy and not so out of touch.
That movie should be burned. It's obvious they know nothing of the time period and it's a shit interpretation of what it was like. They aren't even connecting to what they're saying. Garbage.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||November 20, 2023 4:47 AM|
I think people probably just spoke at a normal speed in the 1920s
|by Anonymous||reply 135||November 20, 2023 4:53 AM|
R121 I always found Fox attractive. Not Stoltz at all. Plus Fox has a dynamic personality, Stoltz is sort of wimpy.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||November 20, 2023 6:04 AM|
Fox was cute in a bland, Canadian sort of way, but Stoltz was gorgeous.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||November 20, 2023 10:32 AM|
Eric had funnier hair in the role than Michael.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||November 20, 2023 10:37 AM|
Did Eric do anything bigger than this after?
|by Anonymous||reply 139||November 20, 2023 1:59 PM|
Fox had pitch perfect comic timing from years of Family Ties and Stoltz wanted to be…Sean Penn.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||November 20, 2023 2:06 PM|
Michael J Fox had zero sex appeal so he was perfect for a comedic role involving his own mom wanting to fuck him.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||November 20, 2023 2:09 PM|
Well since Eric was actually involved Lea yeah.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||November 20, 2023 4:24 PM|
R4 I disagree. Stoltz was definitely creating a character; it just would have been a different film. Stoltz’s Marty would have been perfect if this were a tv series. You know like a teen drama with some comedic relief from the wacky scientist guy. But Fox is near perfect for this to function as a blockbuster comedy.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||November 20, 2023 4:28 PM|
this was hilarious; Family Guy nailed Mask.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||November 20, 2023 4:53 PM|
I may have posted this before but I read that when Family Ties was casting Alex the casting folks wanted Fox; the writers wanted someone else and the producers a third
in the end, everyone agreed that other contenders got two laughs per line and Fox got three.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||November 20, 2023 5:05 PM|
R145 That sounds made up.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||November 20, 2023 5:16 PM|
R122, your loss. Definitely your loss.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||November 20, 2023 5:28 PM|
Stoltz has a more classically handsome face, to be sure.
But if I was given a choice of which guy to have sex with, it'd be MJF all the way. The entire package is better.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||November 20, 2023 5:31 PM|
Matthew Broderick had Family Ties but his dad got sick and he pulled out. MJF said that if it weren't for Family Ties, he would have left the business because his career had stalled.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||November 20, 2023 5:47 PM|
R146, I'll try to go find the article and post it here.
Fox was brilliant in that role; he won three Emmys.
I bet it's true.
Whereas other actors might have just said "No, Nick, I don't think you ain't got nothing to teach me" when Nick appeared to Alex in a fantasy and said he could teach him something, Fox broke it up:"No, Nick. I don't think. You ain't. Got nothing to teach me" emphasizing the intelligence disparity between the two characters.
The show went with an unknown over other 'name' actors.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||November 20, 2023 7:56 PM|
One thing Michael J Fox 🦊 and Eric Stolz have in common-
They’re BOTH FAGS
|by Anonymous||reply 151||November 20, 2023 8:37 PM|
R151 That’s getting a bit old.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||November 20, 2023 8:55 PM|
Eric played one…
|by Anonymous||reply 153||November 21, 2023 12:52 AM|
R153- I think I'd rather kiss Ralph Macchio in that movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||November 21, 2023 1:16 AM|
R153 He probably didn't have very far to stretch.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||November 21, 2023 1:33 AM|
I saw Eric Stoltz in a play in the Berkshires.. I also saw Rob Lowe (in a different play). Eric Stoltz was no Rob Lowe.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||November 21, 2023 1:35 AM|
R155, I BEG your pardon.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||November 21, 2023 1:48 AM|
I'm also glad they got rid of that jacket Stoltz was wearing when they recast the role.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||November 21, 2023 1:54 AM|
PS Eric Stoltz being fired from this movie was apparently not a secret back in the day because I remember it at the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||November 21, 2023 1:55 AM|
R145 And Craft Services wanted Fred Berry.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||November 21, 2023 1:55 AM|
R134, are you for fucking real?
People did not talk in real life as they did in early films. Newsflash for you: they didn't flicker and they weren't in black-and-white either.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||November 21, 2023 1:58 AM|
Nobody talked in movies in the early '20s, they were silent movies.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||November 21, 2023 2:01 AM|
There was always drama with Eric’s films back then. Some Kind of Wonderful had a rocky start as well. Martha Coolidge was originally hired to direct the film, with Kyle MacLachlan and Kim Delaney cast as Hardy and Amanda. Coolidge had a darker vision for the film, which led to creative differences with John Hughes and caused Hughes to fire her and replace her with Howard Deutch, who had also helmed Pretty in Pink. MacLachlan and Delaney were fired along with Coolidge, and Craig Sheffer and Lea Thompson were hired in their place. John Hughes had originally wanted Molly Ringwald for the role of Watts, but she declined, causing a rift in their relationship. Mary Stuart Masterson would eventually land the Watts role.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||November 21, 2023 2:36 AM|
Kyle was miles prettier than Eric.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||November 21, 2023 2:37 AM|
Lea had been devastated by the colossal bomb that was HOWARD THE DUCK and took the role of Amanda Jones after initially declining it. She dated Deutch during filming and the two later married.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||November 21, 2023 2:45 AM|
R162 Just because they were silent doesn’t mean they didn’t talk in some scenes you fucking idiot.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||November 21, 2023 3:20 AM|
R161 They didn't have MOXIE!! Fuck modern actors and their dumb impressions of what 1890s sound like.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||November 21, 2023 3:51 AM|
Are you people on drugs?
|by Anonymous||reply 168||November 21, 2023 5:39 AM|
I literally am right now, yes.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||November 21, 2023 7:52 AM|