Eric Stoltz in Back to the Future

Well at least I don't shake uncontrollably.

Fox was much better looking so there's that.

I'm shocked that Stoltz had the audacity to argue so bitterly with the Director

Fox was extremely likable in this film.

If you see the comparisons, it's almost ridiculous. Fox's approach is so perfect and the scene where they encounter George at the soda shop shows Stoltz with really no reaction and Fox already creating a character.

Lea Thompson said that even though Stoltz is very funny in real life, he was not funny at all in the movie because he considered it a "tragedy". She said he also did things like show up with long dirty fingernails because that's what guitarists do.

I’d rather see the footage of Michael J. Fox in Mask, before he was fired and replaced by Erik Stoltz.

[quote] Fox was much better looking so there's that.

Nope. Hot non-midget ginger for the win.

I wish they'd had Michael do a bit of full frontal nudity

Hadn’t Stoltz just starred in SOME KIND OF WONDERFUL with Lea Thompson?

Fox's shortness was so perfect in comparison to Wilson's beefy size. I also think there's no way Stoltz could have had the same chemistry Fox did with Christopher Lloyd.

Some Kind of Wonderful was released in Feb. 1987.

Back to the Future came out in July 1985.

Has anyone read any of Michael J. Fox's autobiographies? Would he have been allowed to comment on being asked to step into the role of Marty McFly?

[quote]Tom Wilson who was pretty unforgettable as Biff said that they had almost finished the movie when Stoltz was fired.

And the studio had no problem with that? No problem giving the producers enough money to do the movie all over again with Fox?

American Film Institute catalog entry for Back to the Future says that the production ran Nov 26, 1984 to April 26 1985 in greater Los Angeles area.

Eric Stoltz filmed for five weeks.

[quote]Eric Stoltz was originally cast as “Marty McFly,” as stated in the 7 Jul 1985 Chicago Tribune. After five weeks of filming, however, Stoltz was fired and replaced with Michael J. Fox. In a 17 Jan 1985 DV news item, Stoltz’s manager, Helen Sugland, described Stoltz’s firing as “totally out of left field” and stated that the actor had only received positive feedback from the director on set. Zemeckis explained to Chicago Tribune that Stoltz’s firing had nothing to do with the actor's talent, but stated that his “performance was not in synch with” Zemeckis’s vision. The footage shot during the first five weeks with Stoltz was scrapped, and the film’s release date was delayed from 21 Jun 1985 to 3 Jul 1985. For the remainder of production, Michael J. Fox, who was starring in the television series Family Ties (NBC, 22 Sep 1982--17 Sep 1989) at the time, spent days on the set of Family Ties and nights filming Back to the Future.

I don't know how I would deal with a situation like this if I was Eric Stoltz....being fired and replaced, and then the movie goes on to be the biggest hit of the year.

R14 and then understanding it wouldn't have been the biggest hit of the year with him in it.

R12, I think the studio really felt they had a hit on their hands but not with Stoltz so they allowed them to recast. Although the shooting with Stoltz went on for weeks, apparently in the last few, they didn't even do reverse angles with Stoltz because they were aware they were going to replace him and would simply use those shots again with Fox in the reverse angles.

Stoltz should have listened to the Director instead of going with his own feeling this movie was "a tragedy". How the fuck do you know what it is Arrogant Eric, did you write it?!

Stoltz is a good actor but he wasn’t the right choice for a comedy popcorn movie, especially since he had no idea that’s what he was acting in.

[quote] If you see the comparisons, it's almost ridiculous. Fox's approach is so perfect and the scene where they encounter George at the soda shop shows Stoltz with really no reaction and Fox already creating a character.

Was Fox really an actor "creating a character" or does he just naturally bring with him a certain quality that Stoltz didn't.

It’s weird to think of Back to the Future as a “tragedy.” It is a fun silly comedy. What was the tragedy angle?

R19 I think because the kid can go back and change the future, plus get to meet his parents as teens

Stoltz thought he was filming a tragedy? To be released as a summer flick? He sounds like an idiot.

I guess I’m team minority again. I watched this film putting myself in place of the protagonist and did indeed want to slap it into the seriousness that the actual situation warranted. Dammit! Think of the lives that could have been saved!

[quote]I don't know how I would deal with a situation like this if I was Eric Stoltz

I'm pretty sure continuing to work for decades and branching out into directing were soothing balms for this tragic burn.

No matter how you slice it, MJF got the worse deal in life. Still, both of them are doing just fine.

I wonder who they would have cast if Family Ties had refused to allow Michael J. Fox to film Back to the Future. Producer Gary Goldberg could have said No, could have refused to allow Fox to film Family Ties during the day and Back to the Future at night. Then they would have had to find someone else.

Who else could they have cast as Marty McFly?

R24, I think Jon Cryer would have been great. Right age, very funny and likable.

Without MJF they would probably would have plodded on with Stolz. The film would have been a wreck, there would be no sequels, and it would eventually be largely forgotten. I think the only reason they changed leads is because they wanted MJF first and they were able to work out a deal with Family Ties after initially being turned down. Stoltz was always the second choice. Without MJF he probably would've remained their only choice.

It sounds like Fox wasn't told of the offer until they approached a second time after Stoltz wasn't working out. Maybe he put his foot down and said he wanted to do it and the Family Ties producer relented

Stoltz doesn't speak of it often (duh) but did say something like he moved to Europe after this and started doing theater but he regrets not being in it because it would have made him rich, albeit he would have been in therapy. Regardless of how he branched out, his name will be more linked with his firing from BTTF than anything else.

Speaking of Jon Cryer, here is his test. He's quite good in the car scene but I think the only other actor I could see at the time doing it was ironically Matthew Broderick, who Fox replaced in Family Ties. I think C. Thomas Howell was very strongly considered since his audition is fairly long and he's with Lea Thompson.

Ben Stiller as Marty McFly! I want to see the alternate version with him and then his dad Jerry Stiller as George McFly

MJF has natural charisma on screen.

Back to the Future top 5 favorite films of mine I was utterly shocked when I learned of this watching a Netflix documentary a decade ago. Watching the brief scenes, and stills it was almost like a different film with him in it. Like sort of dramatic, and quasi postmodern not the comedy like the producers intended.

And MJF was so gracious when he said he couldn't have played a drug dealer in Pulp Fiction.

R1 You were shooketh when I stole your role bitch. The only blockbuster you appeared in thereafter had you bed rest for 3/4 of the film with a former In Living Color dancer and gangsta rapper playing hero.

R28 oh please. People barely know this trivia fact. They remember him from the Mask.

Poor Madonna

R9 agreed. MJF character is not a nerd or gawky just short. He goes back in time and horrifically discovers his dad is a geek.

This is quite an interesting summary of what happened:

R12 yeah from that YouTube posting above it looks like it. I never knew THAT many still photos and takes existed. This had to extremely soul crushing for a young actor, especially as the film not only was a hit but also this huge blockbuster. Good god. Good on Stoltz for not losing his mind. If there is any balance Stoltz is more classically handsome.

R34, Mask is already forgotten.

Perhaps the original ending was different with an Oedipus angle with Marty accidentally killing his father and fucking his own mom, fathering his own child. 😂 That could explain Stoltz interpretation.

With that being said they still have never explained why his parents don’t remember him and that they knew someone identical in looks when Marty grew up into a teenager.

Oh Jesus isn't it obvious to see why happened? He was a serious actor who was rewarded for edgy dramatic roles and he misinterpreted the way to play this. He took himself too seriously and thought he was doing something new like Brando.

His director should have told him to ham it up.

Stoltz was horribly miscast. He's handsome and an excellent actor but he isn't likeable. He's a serious actor and was proud of it.

Whereas with Fox - all he needed to do was turn around and look in the direction of the camera and ZING! Likeability and charisma.

And judging from Stoltz' body of work, he is incapable of lightness and humor, especially physical. He was a baffling choice.

Exactly R43. He was badly miscast.

Stoltz would have been good in the Fox role in "Casualties of War."

[quote] His director should have told him to ham it up.

Brilliant idea! I'm sure Zemeckis never thought of actually giving Stoltz direction. Just went straight to firing his star and reshooting an entire movie that was almost completely in the can already. Too bad you weren't around to advise him!

R40, I was wondering the same thing... did the film end differently when Stoltz read an early version? What if Marty had not been successful in bringing his parents together at the high school dance? He, and his siblings, would cease to exist. His father would never have punched Biff, become a high school hero, gotten the girl, etc...

Mr Stoltz used to nibble on my lady lumps!

The ending was always the same but Stoltz interpreted it as being tragic because there's a whole other history that no one else in the family knows except Marty. Those brief clips suggest he was doing a Twilight Zone episode.

The key line in the film is "Are you trying to tell me that my mother has got the hots for me?". Fox's delivery is so perfect, funny, exasperated and just slightly repulsed. I can't even imagine what Stoltz could have gotten out of that line.

I will say this for Eric Stoltz: especially with the black hair he sported in BTTF, he looked a lot more like the child of Lea Thompson and Crispin Glover than Michael J. Fox did.

R46 I think he only shot 5 /14 weeks and even in the last 2 weeks they were only filming Doc as they knew he was going to be replaced, which was really a shitty thing to do to him.

Is that Christopher Lloyd in OP’s pic?

Eric Stoltz has a fire crotch.

R46 I don't think they really informed him because how obtuse would you have to be to play dark despite the director telling you it's meant to be an action comedy.

I'm thinking he's such a good actor, he could have tried comedy as a challenge but they didn't really manipulate him enough to procure the best results.

Actors aren't just one limited range. You can get a different result by having them, you know, act.

I think he was young kid trying to take himself seriously and make a dramatic name for himself, like James Dean. Yes, probably miscast but with good direction possibly could have gotten better results.

R54, how obtuse do you have to be to read that script and not know it's a comedy. He already expressed at the first read through that he thought it was a tragedy. In the end, Stoltz' body of work pretty much proves he is not talented at comedy, certainly not the slapstick things that MJF excelled at. Regardless of how he was directed, the movie would have been a whiff with him in the lead.

Yeah but!

I don't want Eric Stoltz to off himself because he was a cocky little actor miscast.

If only he had a time machine and could go back in time and reenact his scenes, I'm sure he'd turn on the charm.

I understand the folk-logic of the story they didn’t shoot Stoltz’s angles for the last two weeks because he was going to be replaced, but there’s no way that could happen for one day, much less ten shooting days, without Stoltz asking what the fuck is going on.

The only footage that would be re-usable in that situation would Lloyds close-up. Even the over the shoulder shots of Lloyd wouldn’t work because of the height and hair differences, plus they completely changed Marty’s costume. I’m calling shenanigans.

And to tie this to another bomb, there's a reference in The Flash where in the alternate universe, Stoltz is in Back To The Future, an ironic idea considering the movie it's in.

Does Michael J have a nice pinga?

I think it's just an average sized but nice looking one R60.

Thanks R61 he had a nice ass and seemed to be a good person. Would he have been a good Ferris bueller?

No I don't think so R62. Matthew Broderick was perfectly cast in my opinion. Fox was perfectly cast in Back to the Future.

This thread sent me down a rabbit hole, and I discovered that Bob Gale confirmed Biff in part 2 was based on Donald Trump. I thought it was just a fan theory.

Now I'd like to see the edgier version with the handsome Eric Stolz. I liked MJF in Family Ties, but he was so cheesy in Back to the Future.

MJF wasn't very cute in Family Ties

MJF was fucking adorable in Family Ties.

[quote] Eric Stoltz has a fire crotch.

Link?

Proof and damn it's not pretty. Eric likes to go naked on camera.

R65 That would be hilarious if everyone else was serious.

In a world, where a Delorean time travel, some punk kid fed up with high school and the 80s time travels and fucking takes everything too seriously.

Or maybe he's the normal one and everyone else is a fake caricature. Great Black Mirror vibes

Fake newdes!

It's still cracking me up that Stoltz read BTTF as a tragedy. Did he think they hired Huey Lewis & the News to provide the soundtrack out of irony?

I’m wondering if there were significant script re-writes between Eric’s filming and MJF’s filming?? The footage from Eric Stolz as Marty does look a little grayer and grim compared to the lighter tone of the actual movie. And wasnt the time machine originally supposed to be a fridge and then later was rewritten to be a Delorean?

I noticed the differences in the look as well - but then remembered the Fox stills are from a finished, color timed film and the Stoltz images are either from dailies or set still that never got properly timed.

Chris Lloyd is still alive?

Stoltz seems to reimagined the script as something sadder and more introspective, along the lines of "Peggy Sue Got Married."

He completely misinterpreted the script is what you mean R76.

Stoltz is not the only one to have said over the years that the ending is deeply tragic/fucked up. Marty is the only one in the family who remembers their entire previous life. He made his family wealthy and "better" and now has a great car. It could have easily have been played as extremely dark take on the American Dream.

MJF was hugely, at the time, popular due to Family Ties. His FT character was a young Republican in the Reagan era.

I can't even remember the plot to BTTF. Yet, I can remember the plot to "Peggy Sue Got Married." I can understand why Stoltz would have tried to inject some "Our Town" / "Peggy Sue" into BTTF.

If I had to rewatch BTTF or "Peggy Sue," I'd probably choose Peggy Sue.

Stoltz in "Our Town." He was nominated for a Tony in 1989 for playing George.

R80, ha! He probably was thinking about Our Town!

Side note, I remember being really moved, the first time I saw Our Town, the scene where she relives an ordinary day with her parents. Yes, Mary.

“She loves you woah, woah, woah!”

The way Turner on the phone says “Grandma?” chokes me up just thinking about it. Great films truly are a handful of indelible moments.

Get back to MY movie, bitches!

"We just took one look at Michael, and knew he was gonna shake things up."

Stoltz looked hot with the darker, messy hair.

Eric Stoltz and his perfectly lovely little penis.

I agree R86

Well they fired Crispin Glover too from the second one.

How many of the main actors in films are usually fired?

Crispin said he was questioning the message of the film that having nicer stuff was the moral. He said he thought it should be the love of the family.

They threw these actors away like garbage.

[quote]Has anyone read any of Michael J. Fox's autobiographies? Would he have been allowed to comment on being asked to step into the role of Marty McFly?

I've read the three autobiographies; the fourth book is more of a commencement speech. Fox confirms that he was the producers' first choice for "Back to the Future," information "Family Ties" creator Gary David Goldberg initially kept from him (they'd approached Goldberg, not Fox). Goldberg wanted "Ties" to be his sole focus.

Once the role was available again, Fox had to placate Goldberg by agreeing to a punishing schedule that kept him front and center on "Ties."

Fuck Family Ties

Thank you R91.

Yeah they fired two main actors so they sucked dicked at direction and casting and it doesn't hold up if you rewatch it now. It was great in it's time.

Eric Stoltz dystopian version might have held up after a 9/11 world. He was too avant Garde for his time.

I guess nobody read Ralph Macchio’s recent autobiography because nobody’s mentioned (unless I missed it) that he wrote he was originally offered Marty McFly. And I think turned it down. That would have been pre-Stoltz, I guess. I forget, now. The producers always wanted Fox, though - he was just too busy.

[quote] and it doesn't hold up if you rewatch it now. It was great in it's time.

It holds up. And oh, dear.

This article clarifies that Ralph Macchio was in discussion to play Marty McFly. But he was never offered the part.

He never even screen tested for the part. He merely had a meeting with producers about the part.

R96 IT'''''''S

R97 I stand corrected.

I’m jealous he has all his hair, but as he gets older and grayer he’ll probably look like Tip O’Neill.

Or maybe not.

Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd made that film. Without the chemistry of those two together it wouldn’t have been as iconic.

I still cry every time I watch it and the sequels.

It was a good story, well thought out. All the characters shined.

I've heard that when shooting Teen Wolf, MJF would see them filming BTTF in the same area and think "Now that's a film I should be working on."

R78 It's not that fucked up. Who would want to remember their white trash, emotionally unavailable family? The family is better.

The producers liked how Fox literally vibrated with energy.

Peggy Sue Got Married is great--captures the period (Joan Allen looks like my older sister's best friend did back in those days), but is stuck with Nicolas Cage. He lacks subtlety and even "you mean my wang" has the wrong tone (his embarrassment should keep it from being too LOL funny). Even Jim Carrey is tolerable (because it's a small part).

BTTF clearly is more of a comedy, but I could see how it was viewed otherwise. It's really more of a warmedy, as some people call it with some typical movie comedy sequences thrown in. Cryer tends to be annoying and wouldn't have been able to carry the film. Fox has a real likability and more charisma than Mathew Broderick would have brought. Ditto "Family Ties".

I think not even RDJ could have pulled off what MJF did in this film, let alone Broderick or Macchio (perfect as they both were for other things).

You can tell from the screenshots alone that Stoltz was giving off a much darker, more brooding tone of performance, which didn’t suit the tone of the film. Fox was perfect in the role. I wonder how the rest of the cast felt, however, having to essential shoot the thing twice? I guess it’s a glass half empty/half full type scenario.

Crispin Glover, from what I’ve gathered, is a very “eccentric” guy and had a case of “main character syndrome” as in he thought he was the central star. However, there’s two sides to every story. He certainly gave a memorable performance and I’d like to have seen him in other things.

It's comical that Marty's mom falls for Michael J. Fox as hard as she does. It would've been too believable for her to fall for Eric Stoltz.

Eric went on to have a fine career. Fox followed BTTF as the lead in alot of duds.

I remember Zemeckis changed directions during the production of Death Becomes Her (a good film and cult favorite but not a blockbuster like Back to the Future or Forrest Gump, I know). Tracey Ullman was not fired, yet her character was simply eliminated from the final form of Death Becomes Her.

I think it must be so stressful making decisions like these, high profile expensive projects.

He definitely made the right decision R112. I just wish all the deleted scenes could be viewed even if they’re transferred from a second generation VHS tape.

I recently rewatched the BTF trilogy and it still holds up as a thoroughly entertaining series. I’m so glad Hollywood hasn’t gotten its grubby hands and tried to make a reboot or unwanted decades on sequel.

Zemeckis and Bob Gale won’t let anyone reboot it or make another sequel as long as they live. I agree with them…but I do like to daydream where a possible third or fourth installment could have gone.

Christopher Lloyd said he wanted to see Doc and Marty in Ancient Rome. However, fantasy is almost always better than reality.

Christopher Lloyd and MJF had such brilliant chemistry but I do wonder how MJF would have been with John Lithgow (original choice) as Doc. I can see that.

A possible third installment, R115? You should watch the one they actually made.

Good point R110. That could easily have been a more icky plot point with Stolz than it ended up being, since Fox is so asexual.

Some of this was covered in the MJ Fox documentary on Netflix. I felt I was watching his first book Lucky Man come to life.

I went to a Family Ties taping in its last season. The warmup guy was giving away SIGNED CAST t-shirts. He says who wants one and I raised my hand, and he says come down here and sing the theme song if you want the t-shirt.

The show was airing nightly in reruns in syndication but with an abridged theme song. I couldn't remember how it all started! They had another audience member sing with me and when she started ("I Bet We've Been Together...") I recalled the whole song. I said, "Oh, oh are we starting now??"

I did sing "What would we do bay-beeee" similar to how Deniece Williams did...it got a laugh. I still have the t-shirt. The warm up guy said as he handed it to me, 'thanks for doing the Richard Harris version' as I can't carry a tune.

There's a channel on my Samsung TV and it loops FT reruns all day and all night long. My favorites are the two part Ellen episode; the family meets Nick, and A, My Name Is Alex which deals with Alex's reaction to the tragic death of his hottie best friend played by Brian McNamara.

Fox tested against some name actors for Alex but I read that if those other actors got two laughs per line then Fox got three.

I was never attracted to Michael J Fox but Stoltz was kind of cute

[quote] Fox was much better looking so there's that.

Not even close. Are you blind?!

This is a movie I’ve never wanted to see : ( It just sounds so lightweight and corny.

I do like Peggy Sue Got Married.

R121, so glad you found us Eric. I guess Googling your name can pay off.

R117 I mistyped. Technically, the second and their films were filmed back to back as one long film and then split into two parts. When Jennifer wakes up on the porch they literally just waited for the sun rise so it literally is filmed a few minutes after they put her there.

In my mind it’s one single movie.

I like BTTF, but I wish the whole “white people invented rock n roll” part were altered. Like, have Marty play a different song, and not have Chuck Berry’s cousin as a character.

@r124, "In my mind it’s one single movie."

Must be interesting in there... Is WWI and WWII one continuous war to you as well? 🤔

This is probably why he was so serious. Wasn't he shooting Mask at the same time?

Eric Stoltz is pretty.

The only thing I remember him in is his supporting role in THE HOUSE OF MIRTH. (I never saw MASK because, though it’s sacrilege, I’m not a big Cher fan.)

I want to tear that Jetsons t-shirt off of Billy Zane's torso in R28's link.

Anyone who never saw Some Kind of Wonderful or Eric Stoltz in it doesn't deserve to post in this thread (I'm looking at you, R129).

I was one of the few people who liked The Fly II.

R130 that is some horrible ass line delivery. Look at how people talked in the 1920s when pictures were just getting started. Faster, high energy and not so out of touch.

That movie should be burned. It's obvious they know nothing of the time period and it's a shit interpretation of what it was like. They aren't even connecting to what they're saying. Garbage.

I think people probably just spoke at a normal speed in the 1920s

R121 I always found Fox attractive. Not Stoltz at all. Plus Fox has a dynamic personality, Stoltz is sort of wimpy.

Fox was cute in a bland, Canadian sort of way, but Stoltz was gorgeous.

Eric had funnier hair in the role than Michael.

Did Eric do anything bigger than this after?

Fox had pitch perfect comic timing from years of Family Ties and Stoltz wanted to be…Sean Penn.

Michael J Fox had zero sex appeal so he was perfect for a comedic role involving his own mom wanting to fuck him.

Well since Eric was actually involved Lea yeah.

R4 I disagree. Stoltz was definitely creating a character; it just would have been a different film. Stoltz’s Marty would have been perfect if this were a tv series. You know like a teen drama with some comedic relief from the wacky scientist guy. But Fox is near perfect for this to function as a blockbuster comedy.

this was hilarious; Family Guy nailed Mask.

I may have posted this before but I read that when Family Ties was casting Alex the casting folks wanted Fox; the writers wanted someone else and the producers a third

in the end, everyone agreed that other contenders got two laughs per line and Fox got three.

R145 That sounds made up.

R122, your loss. Definitely your loss.

Stoltz has a more classically handsome face, to be sure.

But if I was given a choice of which guy to have sex with, it'd be MJF all the way. The entire package is better.

Matthew Broderick had Family Ties but his dad got sick and he pulled out. MJF said that if it weren't for Family Ties, he would have left the business because his career had stalled.

R146, I'll try to go find the article and post it here.

Fox was brilliant in that role; he won three Emmys.

I bet it's true.

Whereas other actors might have just said "No, Nick, I don't think you ain't got nothing to teach me" when Nick appeared to Alex in a fantasy and said he could teach him something, Fox broke it up:"No, Nick. I don't think. You ain't. Got nothing to teach me" emphasizing the intelligence disparity between the two characters.

The show went with an unknown over other 'name' actors.

One thing Michael J Fox 🦊 and Eric Stolz have in common-

They’re BOTH FAGS

R151 That’s getting a bit old.

Eric played one…

R153- I think I'd rather kiss Ralph Macchio in that movie.

R153 He probably didn't have very far to stretch.

I saw Eric Stoltz in a play in the Berkshires.. I also saw Rob Lowe (in a different play). Eric Stoltz was no Rob Lowe.

R155, I BEG your pardon.

I'm also glad they got rid of that jacket Stoltz was wearing when they recast the role.

PS Eric Stoltz being fired from this movie was apparently not a secret back in the day because I remember it at the time.

R145 And Craft Services wanted Fred Berry.

R134, are you for fucking real?

People did not talk in real life as they did in early films. Newsflash for you: they didn't flicker and they weren't in black-and-white either.

Nobody talked in movies in the early '20s, they were silent movies.

There was always drama with Eric’s films back then. Some Kind of Wonderful had a rocky start as well. Martha Coolidge was originally hired to direct the film, with Kyle MacLachlan and Kim Delaney cast as Hardy and Amanda. Coolidge had a darker vision for the film, which led to creative differences with John Hughes and caused Hughes to fire her and replace her with Howard Deutch, who had also helmed Pretty in Pink. MacLachlan and Delaney were fired along with Coolidge, and Craig Sheffer and Lea Thompson were hired in their place. John Hughes had originally wanted Molly Ringwald for the role of Watts, but she declined, causing a rift in their relationship. Mary Stuart Masterson would eventually land the Watts role.

Kyle was miles prettier than Eric.

Lea had been devastated by the colossal bomb that was HOWARD THE DUCK and took the role of Amanda Jones after initially declining it. She dated Deutch during filming and the two later married.

R162 Just because they were silent doesn’t mean they didn’t talk in some scenes you fucking idiot.

R161 They didn't have MOXIE!! Fuck modern actors and their dumb impressions of what 1890s sound like.

Are you people on drugs?

I literally am right now, yes.