May they rest in peace.

This is the datalounge so....what was on their ipods?

Paywalled

this company is going to be sued for trillions. what's coming out about their negligence is damning

“Underwater robots from the vessel Horizon Arctic discovered the tail cone of the 21-foot Titan, approximately 1,600 feet from the bow of the Titanic on the ocean floor.

The remotely operated vehicle found additional debris from the Titan.

Paul Hankins, a salvage expert for the U.S. Navy, said five major pieces of debris were found, including the nose cone, which was outside of the pressure hull. A large debris field contained the front end bell of the pressure hull, the "first indication of a catastrophic event," he said.

OceanGate Expeditions, which owns and operated the submersible, said that all five lives ‘have sadly been lost.’”

R1 Pieces of me by Ashlee Simpson

So it exploded, possibly (way) before they ran out of oxygen. It's a quick death, so they didn't suffer.

And I've got heartburn. French and Pakistani food don't mix!

R6 I wish I could die instantly like that.

I kept wondering about the bathroom situation. I read reports that they all had great big cups of coffee before boarding.

Sizemeat verifica.

On iPod: Patsy Cline's "I Fall to Pieces"

What a mess !

Were they organ donors?

R10 it’s verification!!

VERIFICATIA

🎵Near… Far… WhereEVER YOU ARRRREEEE…

Well, if not resting in peace they're at least resting in pieces.

Gosh, what were the banging noises then?? I was hoping they might be rescued

All Shook Up.

This is ourselves.....Under pressure

Was it to be a three-hour tour?

That noise they heard was a shark burping……

R3 I don't think so. Sunny Hostin explained this week on 'The View' that she went over the contract passengers sign and initial - just about every paragraph of the contract says they passenger (and their survivors) understand the risk they are taking, that death is very possible, and in no way can anyone on their behalf sue the company if there is a fatality.

Joy Behar asked if there was any room for the families to wiggle in a lawsuit , and Hostin claimed it was 'airtight'. As a prosecutor, she couldn't find anything in there that would make the company responsible after the passengers signed off.

R23 the contract was airtight.....unlike the capsule.

The Hindenburg killed dirigible flights, the Concorde crash ended supersonic flights, Sigmund and Roy's ghastly and bloody tiger attack stopped animal shows in Vegas, and now this gruesome accident will end Titanic excursions in tiny submersibles.

Very sad, but as they say - you pay your money and you take your chances.

Did they jump over a shark?

[quote] The Hindenburg killed dirigible flights, the Concorde crash ended supersonic flights, Sigmund and Roy's ghastly and bloody tiger attack stopped animal shows in Vegas, and now this gruesome accident will end Titanic excursions in tiny submersibles.

I think you’re on to something…..Trump rallies……

There's a company with almost the same exact business plan running excursions in the Mariana Trench. Wonder if anyone will scrutinize their operation.

[quote] I kept wondering about the bathroom situation. I read reports that they all had great big cups of coffee before boarding.

I saw on MSNBC this morning that they actually had a small shitter on board with a curtain for "privacy". Another reason this was not a good idea. I would not want to have to pinch out a loaf squatting over a tiny commode behind a curtain with four spectators experiencing the sounds and smells.

^ Maybe they died from shame

Very sad. I wonder if their remaining family members will go to Blink 182.

[quote]now this gruesome accident will end Titanic excursions in tiny submersibles.

now this gruesome accident will end Titanic excursions in tiny submersibles *that have not had their designs classified or been subject to industry-standard tests and scrutiny*

An interesting opinion piece.

Possibly not R6. Apparently an expert on ABC said that warning alarms of danger would have internally rung before the implosion.

It was a good looking boat. Am I the only one to think this? It’s ass looked like a Boeing.

All the gross negligence will make that contract not-so-airtight.

R36 I thought it looked like a big vibrator

R38, lol. It did!

I don't find this sad at all. I find it a total waste.

These people spent huge amounts of money for their own selfish adventure -- money that could have been spent on the poor, the needy, etc. And the money spent trying to find them was insane as well. All that cash could have done so much for the world -- instead it was all wasted on a bunch of Elon Musk types who have no interest in anything expect their own pleasure.

SMH.

Do we have any statistics on how much cash this company was raking in? 4 people at $250K a person = 1 million per trip. How many trips down there were they taking?

The sea was so blue that day.....

R40- This is the reason for the negative attitudes of the rich. It isn't jealousy, it is the destruction of the planet, the buying up all housing and resources, thus making housing and rent unaffordable, medical care and medication priced so high as to be unattainable, exploitation of employees, and their dark money in politics. They are hated for damn good reason.

R1 — Splish Splash (I was takin' a bath) by Bobby Darin

Apparently the kid didn't even want to go and father pressured him because he was a life-long Titanic fanatic. I really feel bad for that kid. The dad is a selfish POS.

Yes very sad and incredibly arrogant thrill seeking. It’s ironic that they met their end at the site of another maritime accident caused by hubris (steaming through an ice berg field because you are unsinkable) and not even securing half the needed safety in lifeboats. I gather the CEO of the exposition outfit ignored his own industries safety warnings.

I don't give a shit if they rest in peace or not. They chose their own extremely expensive deaths, which the federal government then had to spend $$$$ on.

It's obscene.

Whether they are dead or alive, taxpayers are forced to pay for these leeches. They screwed their own selves, and their own families.

Very sad.

What did the search cost?

They've likely been dead since whatever happened that caused the sub to fail. A debris field indicates some sort of catastrophic failure.

Mike Reiss wrote:

[quote] And the passengers on the Titan weren’t thrill-seekers — they weren’t skydivers or rich tourists who climbed Mount Everest so they could brag about it. They were explorers and scientists — people endlessly curious about the world, who had to see it with their own eyes.

Rapid unscheduled disassembly.

R47- I believe they are so insulated by their money that it is inconceivable to them that something could go wrong that money wouldn't protect them from the consequences. 🤷‍♀️

Hubris killed them.

Wonder if the kid was a virgin? Would be sad if he hadn't even gotten his rocks off at least once before being exterminated from planet Earth.

The families will sue that company into oblivion. One TV lawyer does not decide if a contract is airtight — a battalion of high-priced and sharp lawyers alone will do their discovery thing and find tons of negligence evidence — even more than we know now. The families have enough money to pursue this too.

OTOH, the CEO’s family might be rendered penniless or close to it. He probably could have sold snake oil in another life.

Torn Natalie, Imbruglia

How nice of OP to recognize their pronouns.

[quote] The families will sue that company into oblivion.

They can’t. They signed away their right to sue. The contract stated that they couldn’t sue if death, injury, or emotional distress occurred.

The idol rich. I also feel bad for the 19-year-old - never to go to college, marry, have children, etc. What a morbid wish to want visit a site where lies more than 1500 dead humans. Most of them were from the lower class tier, since the first class were first in the Titanic lifeboats. Ironic that some 5 wealthy people are joining them 2 miles under, from the aptly named "Titan."

I don't think Sunny Hostin has any experience in tort law, so I wouldn't 100% trust her on this.

R56- U absolutely agree with you. Signing a waiver means nothing if the equipment is inferior or dangerously maintained.

R60- Not that I believe in the paranormal, but you can certainly understand why so many may may believe this in some way was vengeance or karma.

What an asshole.

If anything, they’ll settle with the families to stop bad publicity.

This sounds awful.

You make billions of dollars. You get to do and see things most people can't.

And then the ocean crushes you to death

[quote] They can’t. They signed away their right to sue. The contract stated that they couldn’t sue if death, injury, or emotional distress occurred.

The contract wouldn't be valid if they can find willful negligence

R64 How does the damn kid have more common sense than the adults in the situation?

At the very least he certainly had better instincts. Such a tragedy for that kid.

R64- How inexcusably selfish and self centered. His is dead now because of him. Unbelievable

[quote] Not that I believe in the paranormal, but you can certainly understand why so many may may believe this in some way was vengeance or karma.

I wonder if they saw any apparitions before the end. It would nice if there were some kind of recording.

What happens to the body exactly with an implosion? Arey the crushed and torn apart? Do they turn to red mist?

[quote] They've likely been dead since whatever happened that caused the sub to fail.

Then who, or what from the other world, was doing the knocking?

[quote]The idol rich.

- Oh My!

The CEO said he wanted to be remembered by the rules he broke. Well, he got his wish.

Silly rich people tempting fate

R75- He was so arrogant as to be suicidal.

[quote] What happens to the body exactly with an implosion?

I assume it implodes the same as buildings do in demolition, but without onlookers cheering.

That reminds me of a Trump meme on Twitter.

It seems right and proper that the CEO went down with the ship.

Blue Crush was the in-sub entertainment.

R424- But will we ever know?

[quote]What a morbid wish to want visit a site where lies more than 1500 dead humans.

Surely you must understand that, even if there were dead bodies trapped in the Titanic when the ship first sank, those remains totally disintegrated many, many years ago. One can still make the argument that it's immoral to visit the site of the tragedy for anything but purely scientific purposes, but the human remains argument doesn't hold water, pardon the expression.

Are they now ascending the grand staircase in heaven with the cast of Titanic?

Sad, Sorrowful and Heartbreaking. All that money, and I'm not in any of their wills... :-/

Their hearts will go on

They'll staaaaaay forever this waaaaaaaay

[quote] Are they now ascending the grand staircase in heaven with the cast of Titanic?

Considering the Titanic passengers killed them, I doubt it.

Hallmark Channel is already in negotiations for the miniseries, 🚣 [italic] The Curse of the Titanic

R1 [quote] this is the datalounge so....what was on their ipods?

Stop linking to articles behind a pay wall please. It's rude.

Poor kid

Well r35, if those alarms functioned as well as the rest of the vessel then they may have never heard them. Those alarms were probably effective for slow compromises. But if it was an immediate and sizeable breach, then they might have heard the alarms just before the implosion.

I'm not ragging on you. I just hope it wasn't like Ripley listening to mother count down the end of the mission.

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but what would have happened if the rescue mission had found the sub intact and all of the passengers alive a day or two ago? How would they ever have been able to rescue the passengers? Obviously, the pressure down there is far too great to transfer the passengers from one sub to the other. Did the would-be rescuers have some kind of flotation devices that could have been deployed to float the incapacitated sub to the surface? That doesn't seem feasible at all. I would really appreciate any sensible answers to this question, as I cannot figure it out for the life of me.

R74

Greg, what was their final meal?

R1 - Rolling in the Deep by Adele

Now, the race is to recover the bodies.

Am I the only person who doesn't feel sorry for a bunch of rich guys on an ego stroke who threw caution to the wind for bragging rights to the, "I'm a rich guy who went down to see the Titanic"? I also don't feel sorry for people who freeze to death on Mt. Everest or shoot themselves into outer space just to say, "I did it!"

Fuck 'em 😠

I don't think so, R98. If the sub imploded, the bodies would have become shark food.

R94- I don't believe they could have given the time limits, but I seem to remember only one other submersible being capable of getting to that depth, but idk.

R42

I saw an interview with one of the execs and he claimed they weren't profitable yet, which I can believe.

It also showed a previous excursion where the vacationers had left little tribute tablets about their excursion. Looked to be over a dozen.

I really don't know what was left to discover or explore.

🤷🏼‍♀️ Where there any People of Color aboard this failed mission ?

If so, exactly where were they seated ?

R1 🌊

@r103, Black Twitter had a field day yesterday quite proud of the fact that no black folks would be dumb enough to dive under 10K feet of water in a fiberglass tube

R103- Oh, she WILL be race baiting over this, you nailed it. 😆 But no women were on it either, just one more reason why we live longer.

R100, Heh, the most likely scenario is the sub experienced catastrophic failure due to atmospheric pressure. First rule of sailing, kids? Keep the hull intact.

The Beatles - Yellow Submarine on the way down, then Nearer My God To Thee

Watermark, Enya

We all die in a tampon-shaped submarine

....

I hope they can determine the cause of the failure and I hope it is made public. I believe we have the right to know , especially after the cost and time of the rescue efforts.

Q: what do we call 5 billionaires dead on the ocean floor?

A: a good start.

I haven't had a chance to finish reading threads 2 and 3. Now, I'm not sure I want to.

They would have let the ballast (the weight) go, and the thing would have floated to the top.

Hopefully, someone would have unbolted the thing, since they were bolted in from the outside.

Hope floats.

R107

I thought the first rule of sailing was one hand for the boat, one hand for you.

I feel like this entire incident qualifies for a Platinum Tier Darwin Award. Never Have I heard of a more idiotic (and expensive) way to die.

Coast Guard Sends Another Submersible Full Of Billionaires After The First One.

The son was cute.

That company is over...done, as it should be.

R25 What did the disaster known as the Titanic bring an end to ? TransAtlantic cruises are still going on.

He was cute. He had a very sweet smile. Thanks, dad.

[quote] Greg, what was their final meal?

R96, I don’t joke about the dead.

The son was cute.

Are you Stevie fuckin Wonder?

[R25] What did the disaster known as the Titanic bring an end to ? TransAtlantic cruises are still going on.

All ships had to carry enough lifeboats for all onboard and The International Ice Patrol was created in response to the tragedy.

This submersible had a clitoral stimulater. Ahead of its time!

That poor kid, only wanted to please his dad, and the only one of the lot I feel sorry for.

Same here R128. That's very sad.

[quote] That company is over...done, as it should be.

Well, they need to find a CEO who can better handle the pressure.

Probably for the best, that ugly rich kid was never going to be happy

Water pressure? ^^

They should play this cheerful classic at the funerals.

Sigmund and Roy

Oh dear.

R94/R98 The vessel descended too quickly and began to crack due to its poor construction made from carbon fiber instead of one uniform titanium body. They released the ballasts to ascend, but during the ascent the vessel still imploded killing them all. Their bodies are likely in multiple pieces and if the fish haven't already eaten them, they'd still be unable to be recovered.

It was a poorly constructed and uncertified vessel born out of sheer hubris. They've been dead for days as soon as they lost contact and the principal investigators on the inside of the multi-governmental affair knew it. There was nothing they could do. Drawing out the search party was good PR for reinforcing the value of the US Coast Guard.

The oxygen countdown was false hope used to keep people invested in the story and puff up ratings. Now that debris has been found, the rest is all paperwork while the media moves on in search of their next story.

They should've given them a copy of "Into Thin Air", before they shelled out obscene amounts of money for an act of dangerous foolishness.

They had to shit in a literal black box. No toilet. Also, the billionaires went down thinking they were going to find treasure, they use this “sightseeing the titanic” as a ruse so other people won’t go down there to claim these so called buried treasures.

R98 consider what might be left after thousands of pounds of pressure comes at you from both sides.

Welp, it seems the rich aren't satisfied with trashing Mt. Everest, or Fecal Mountain as I now call it. Nope, now they are going to fuck the ocean up even more than they already have drilling for oil, nuclear waste, accidents and leaks. They wonder why most of the world despises them.

R1 Under da Sea

R138

Yes, very sad, Greg/OP, you guileless fop, that so much attention is paid to a bunch of dumb rich dead people.

R25- WRONG 😑

The Concorde lost money 💰 on every flight ✈️

Thats why it went out of business- as it were

When you have more money than you have sense...

The ruins of the titanic were discovered in 1985. It was exciting then to see photographs of all the ruins. National Geographic had an issue dedicated to finding the ruins of the titanic which it sponsored in 1985. They’ve been documentaries about it over the years and objects from the ship in display on display I should say. There is nothing exciting or thrilling anymore about going down to see the titanic so I don’t understand why this rich riffraff paid $250,000 each to risk their lives to see something that was exciting in 1985But not today.

Never knew what happened to them. Imploded in a nanosecond.

There is nothing exciting or thrilling anymore

I beg to differ. As the ship deteriorates, she could reveal more of her treasures or access to previously inaccessible areas etc.

[quote] just about every paragraph of the contract says they passenger (and their survivors) understand the risk they are taking, that death is very possible, and in no way can anyone on their behalf sue the company if there is a fatality.

LOL That woman is an idiot. What makes you think a former prosecutor knows jackshit about contract law?

There are certain things that are implicit in any contract, that the product is not made negligently, for one. You cannot build a product that is made to transport someone from one place to another and then when it fails to do so - because of your negligent construction or maintenance - absolve yourself of any legal liability via some waiver. Many waivers of legal responsibility are found to be ineffective and thrown out during lawsuits.

The billionaire has all the resources in the world to pursue a case. Good luck to Submarines-R-Us.

R145- I agree. It was exciting and fascinating when it was first discovered. I was one who looked forward to new photos and film of the wreckage. But for years it had been decaying until now it is a creepy and depressing reminder of the loss of life and terrifying deaths of so many people. Ballard was trying to find evidence of what really caused the Titanic to sink, and he did. Whatever is left to discover? Personally I will be glad when she disappears forever.

Elon, these subs seem like a growth industry. You should invest! But not without taking a trip in one first.

The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald by Gordon Lightfoot

If anyone should sue the company "into oblivion," it should be the government on behalf of the taxpayers. **We paid to try to rescue and recover these wealthy jackasses.** Fuck that, we should get every dime of it back.

Probably a stupid question,but how does stuff like china,crystal etc not break from the pressure down there ? Ive wondered that forever.

Someone should convince Peter Thiel that there are a bunch of hot rent boys at the bottom of the ocean

Wonder how these women feel now.

[quote] Sigmund and Roy

[quote] Oh dear.

Freudian slip.

[quote] Yes, very sad, Greg/OP, you guileless fop, that so much attention is paid to a bunch of dumb rich dead people.

Well, R142, I'd rather be a guileless fop than an insensitive asshole.

You seem like a terrible human being.

There but for the grace of God goes somebody else, because I as sure as hell would never have been in that thing.

R158- Not even at gunpoint. I have anxiety just looking at the photo of them all packed into that tin can like sardines.

Agree Titanic has been pillaged and dissected by lookie loos for the last 40 years. We've seen it all. It was once a beautiful and tragic vessel. But robotic video and CGI can recreate the entire experience of being onboard or at the wreck site. Some of these adrenaline junkies have dived on the wreck multiple times. What's the thrill? To squint out a dimly illuminated porthole at scrap iron? It's like paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to fuck the skeleton of Marilyn Monroe. Freaky.

The exhibitions of the salvaged Titanic relics are far more interesting than the underwater views.

R155 This woman saved all her life for a Titanic dive, which she completed successfully last year - on Titan, no less.

"They've got more money than brains son.",,Dad

While this is certainly a sad event, we must remember that tomorrow is not promised for any of us. Some are here longer than others, but life on this earth is only temporary for all of us. We can take solace in the fact that they are now home with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Pace t'imploro! Pace, pace, pace!

[quote]We can take solace in the fact that they are now home with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

My new home has a different address, but thanks for thinking of me.

I really don't give a shit...to be perfectly honest.

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R122, my list did not include the Titanic voyage, only submersible trips down to it in tiny subs that should expire.

[R25] here with some justifiable corrections that some have noted. Of course it's the "idle" rich, and "Siegfried" and Roy, with the tiger attacking the latter. I shan't hurry in these comments. Thank you.

Ok. This is a horrible way to go.

[quote]The most likely scenario is the sub experienced catastrophic failure due to atmospheric pressure

Umm, I don't think that would be called "atmospheric" pressure....

In the case of the Titan as has been said numerous times : A pin hole leak would result in instantaneous implosion . The occupants would never know what hit them, crushed their sub and bodies in a nanosecond. There are worst ways to die. But you morbid ghouls R171 keep frapping away.

"Probably a stupid question,but how does stuff like china,crystal etc not break from the pressure down there ? Ive wondered that forever."

I'm repeating your question because I have the same one, and I cannot figure out the answer for the life of me. Anyone?

[quote]Gosh, what were the banging noises then?? I was hoping they might be rescued.

The Orcas were fucking with us again.

@r174, Something solid wouldn't be subjected to a pressure issue. Only a hollow sealed container would be subject to ever increasing outside pressure until it collapsed

Despite the wasted money etc, I do feel sorry for the kid who really didn't want to go.

He was right.

OP Take your "May they rest in peace" bullshit and cram it up your hypocritical sanctimonious cunt.

PS : Can a grease fire start 12 miles down?

[quote]Something solid wouldn't be subjected to a pressure issue. Only a hollow sealed container would be subject to ever increasing outside pressure until it collapsed

I don't understand. We're told that the bodies of the sub's passengers would have been destroyed by the pressure once the structure of the submersible was breached. So how could a teacup survive? But for that matter, if the pressure is THAT great, how could even so much of the superstructure of the Titanic have survived for so long? I just don't get it.

R174 look up Young modulus. If it’s not hollow and the force is isometric it won’t deform.

@r179, The bodies are not solid. Ever dive into a deep pool and feel the pressure on your ears? Magnify that by a 1000 times and you'll start to understand

R172 Oh, but it is “atmospheric” pressure.

“What kind of pressure does a submarine withstand? Thirty atmospheres (30 bar, 441 psi, 3,000 kPa) of water pressure are applied to the hull at 300 metres (1,000 feet), making it withstand another atmosphere (1 bar, 14.9 psi, 101 kPa) every 10 metres (33 feet) of depth.”

[quote]Probably a stupid question,but how does stuff like china,crystal etc not break from the pressure down there ? Ive wondered that forever.

Not a stupid question at all! I’ve wondered the same thing. Turns out that because the pressure is comes simultaneously from all directions, only gases are affected; solids are not. In the case of the human body, the lungs and digestive system would be crushed but bones and muscle would not.

Here’s what happens to styrofoam, which contains mini-air pockets:

Rest in Pieces.

So what happens? Do they die instantly?

Who's paying the bill?

I see that the rot of populist ideological / class-warfare based nonsense has infected even topics like this. Christ.

R187 Has to find something less class conscious to piss away filthy lucra on and it irritates his parasitical capitalist wrinkled white arse.

IMPLODE THE RICH!

R188 is poor (yet entitled), lazy and miserable. She’s also envious. R188 also subscribes to the preposterous (and false) notion that creating income or acquiring wealth is a zero-sum proposition. R188 should realize that scapegoating others (rich, poor or otherwise) for her own shortcomings - which are curable to the extent of her own skills and ultimate desire - is ridiculous.

R189, help us define “the rich.” Who counts and who determines? Also; where do you live?

“his parasitical capitalist”

I’ve always found this phrase to be cute, considering that at least in America almost 1/2 of taxpayers cannot pay income taxes due to their AGI being too low, etc. Meanwhile, I’m a W-2 wage earner that contributes nearly 1/3 of my paycheck every 2 weeks to state, local and fed. But please, tell me more about my parasitical tendencies!

[quote]So how could a teacup survive? But for that matter, if the pressure is THAT great, how could even so much of the superstructure of the Titanic have survived for so long? I just don't get it.

Because the hydrostatic pressure is balanced in both the interior and exterior of the teacup. It’s like an in-ground swimming pool filled with water; the water in the pool is balanced against the hydrostatic pressure of the groundwater surrounding the exterior of the pool. The weight of the filled pool holds it in place and maintains its structural integrity. If the pool is empty and there’s a major flooding event, the concrete or fiberglass shell will crack apart or pop out ground if the groundwater pressure becomes too great (unless there’s a hydrostatic relief valve that allows groundwater to enter the pool until it’s weighted enough to stay in place.)

^^ Also, vertebrate sea creatures mysteriously live at the depth of the titanic (and beyond). They must have a biological version of a hydrostatic pressure relief system.

Now we can have: "See the wreck of the Titanic AND the Titan" only $350,000.

Seeing the Titan is only worthwhile if they show the body parts.

Who’d like to volunteer to test out my new fully 3D printed deep ocean vessel? It’s designed to look like like a classic Poké Ball. View two shipwrecks for the price of one. I just ordered my submarine pilot license online!

^^Sorry, ADHD set in. Time for my meds.

The SIMM cards on the GoPro and their personal cellphones or cameras may have survived the implosion. If they can be retrieved they may show what actually happened.

R199 - or if any data was saved to the cloud.

[quote] Well, [R142], I'd rather be a guileless fop than an insensitive asshole. You seem like a terrible human being.

Oh, Greg, you falsely sincere DL hog, parking yourself here months ago as if it's your personal blog, then making assumptions about complete strangers with yet more barely concealed bitchery. Your facade of "caring" for some stupid dead fools is as sad as your mask of empathy, Greg.

Continue to shed crocodile tears for dead billionaires and announce it to all, Greg. 'See? I care!' bleats Greg, the hypocrite.

Ouch!

Found on their SIMM card:

James Cameron blasts hunt for Titanic sub as 'prolonged nightmarish charade': Director claims US knew vessel had 'imploded' HOURS after it lost contact but let people 'run around talking about banging and oxygen when they knew where it was'

[quote]I don't find this sad at all. I find it a total waste. These people spent huge amounts of money for their own selfish adventure -- money that could have been spent on the poor, the needy, etc.

Do you spend all your discretionary income helping the needy instead of on leisure activities you find enjoyable, r40? I didn't think so.

A feast for the deep sea bottom feeders?

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but there’s obviously more high-tech surveillance in the ocean than we’re aware of, and it’s amazing the lengths that the U.S. Navy went to if they actually manipulated the media to cover up their spying on the sub and witnessing/hearing its implosion.

^ I don't know, maybe it's nice to know that some defensive secrets are still "secret". I guess that's one file Trump didn't sell 😏

There are several hundred Boeing Poseidon 8s flying across the seas at any given time, monitoring under sea activity. Officially tracking submarines but picking up other activity in the process - including those farts of fear contained in the wetsuit when I fall from my board off the North Sea.

^Another link

R153

The force comes from a difference in pressure. Objects like China, steel frames, rocks, etc... aren't housing internal chambers of lower pressure. The environment that was necessary to preserve human life did.

^ The same happens above the ocean surface as well. Living on the earth we are literally at the bottom of an "ocean" of air under pressure of 14.7 lbs. per sq. inch, but we have equalized internal pressure at the same rate. We notice it most when landing or taking off as our bodies catch up to pressure changes our ears "pop"

Sadly there likely will be no remains recovered and thus nothing for interment. Families will have to make due with memorials I'm afraid.

Today on the news, James Cameron was extremely critical of all parties. He did NOT hold back. What a bitch.

I liked it.

^ He's surprisingly knowledgeable of underwater exploration and dynamics

Yes. They're all the size of a stock cube - if they're lucky R213.

Here's a good link on what Cameron had to say...

Yes he was R215. I've never heard him speak before but I was impressed. He's obviously an expert about the entire Titanic industry and seems smart and pragmatic. He let rip.

I went and read his wiki page and he's very accomplished and studied having been fascinated with the topic since he was a small child. He discovered several new species. Married 5 times.

Are we all watching Titanic again tonight?

I kept wondering where the money for this venture was coming from. Even $250,000/pax doesn't add up to that much.

But according to the NYT obit, Stockton -- ex Philips Exeter and Princeton -- came from oil wealth. And his wife was a Macy's Straus. So it looks like it was a rich guy's plaything.

Seems like somebody could sue for the waste of money in searching when they already knew they were dead. Charade is the perfect name for it.

R23 I was just thinking that they ALL signed "If you die..." contracts, so not sure how far a lawsuit would go. I mean...God bless them but UNLESS they were somehow tricked into taking an unregulated sub, this is the equivalent of a "Hold my beer" way to go.

Just a waste

[quote]Yes. They're all the size of a stock cube - if they're lucky.

Oh my. Does that mean they’re Bouillonaires now?

If one must listen to any more blather about the R.M.S Titanic this is the man one would rather hear it from.

Perhaps in person, in a cabin in the mountains before a roaring fire....

Sorry, where were we?

King Charles is apparently distressed that one of his big benefactors went down in the Titan. Too bad, Chuckles

@r221, I read that those "If you die..." contracts are meaningless if you can prove that the manufacturer knowingly made a product that they knew would probably fail if that information was withheld from the passengers

All this nonsense about suing the company to oblivion. You don't waste time suing someone who doesn't have money. This was no doubt a thinly-capitalized company, and Stockton doesn't seem like the type to "waste" money on insurance. So look for the deep pocket if there is one. His estate maybe.

On the other hand, the victims' themselves are all very wealthy and their heirs may have no stomach or need for years of litigation.

I also saw the co-founder on the news tonight saying if there was a Titan available right now he'd get right in it and do the same journey. He's obviously nuts.

*co-founder of OceanGate.

Could it be that these billionaires pretended to go on board the Titan but actually never went? Maybe they wanted people to believe they’re dead?

R226, the rich families aren’t gonna sure not when there’s an upcoming Blink 182 concert they can use that money on. Remove the teenager, and their own families are probably secretly glad they’re dead.

I’d never thought of this before but there are no bodies on the Titanic wreck. I mean, even the day after the sinking there wouldn’t be any bodies because they all would’ve exploded when the ship went down. Somehow I thought there’d be skeletons because people talk about not disturbing a gravesite. There weren’t even skeletons.

I doubt, at least I hope, those poor people didn't suffer much at the end. The coast guard says they believe they detected the sounds when the sub imploded. At that depth a catastrophic implosion would have probably killed them all within a second.

Risk is interesting .

People tend to see the risks they take every day as normal, within their rights, and often enjoyable. And when the risks they take turn deadly or bad, spending tax money to help or fix not only makes sense it’s absolutely needed.

The risks you take I might see as insane and unworthy and something that only stupid one entitled people might do and tax dollars should not be spent on.

After all you knew the risks before you did the deed (s)

R232

Debate long has simmered over if there ever would have been bodies inside or around Titanic's resting place at bottom of ocean. No one has ever found any sort of provable evidence of human remains however.

This being said if a whale's carcass can "fall" to bottom of ocean and remain decaying for years, who knows.....

What was that father taking his teenaged son on that thing thinking? They had to know of the inherent risks yet he risked the life of his own child who was clearly terrified of going.

OTOH as every school child in Minnesota, Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan learns Lake Superior does not give up her dead.

Since people keep going on about the R.M.S Titanic and her dead. Body count list...

^ Ego is stronger than fatherhood 😠

Meanwhile back on the surface....

Team Orca!! 👏

Signing an "If I die " contract is not binding on the family. The signer of such a contract can't predict or control other people's behavior. The families can sue and they should. I'm with James Cameron on this.

I watched Titanic last night. I found the intro part more interesting since the sub implosion. I watched up until they were fishing bodies out of the water and Kate Winslet was blowing the whistle, and then she was hiding from Billy Zane on the deck of the recue ship, and then Gloria threw the diamond into the ocean. Then I shut it off. There was no way I wanted to hear Celine.

^ The soundtrack is great listening, no Celine

Celine Dion! God, somebody tell her to stop. The boat sank. Let it go...

R179 The weight of all that water coming at an object inside a vessel instantaneously will have a very different effect on it than if that object floated down to the bottom outside of a vessel (or inside a vessel that has already been opened to the surrounding water).; human body, teacup, or otherwise.

Terrible way to go, so sorry. R.I.P. to them.

Pretty sure there was panic when the sensors in the carbon fiber hull went off. The “they never knew what was coming” narrative is bullshit.

It's the poor lad one feels sorry for most. It's almost as if he had a premonition or maybe saw omens. What must have gone through his head those final moments of his life as events unfolded.

^ You think there was a lot of time to think about it?

Taking into account that some people have never been to the ocean, I iffer a point if reference: While snorkeling off Grand Caymen in the Caribbean, I was surprised to find that I could dive no further than four to five feet as even at that minimal depth it felt as though my ear drums were imploding.

R213, what is important is that their souls are now in heaven with the Lord. Life on this earth is only temporary for all of us.

To the people wondering why a tea cup didn't implode...it's pressure. The teacup has no pressure.

[quote] OP Take your "May they rest in peace" bullshit and cram it up your hypocritical sanctimonious cunt.

Sorry, R178. I really didn't mean to offend you. Even though you are obviously the worst type of person.

It's been determined that the banging sounds were made by an underwater steel band, lead by Sebastian the Crab.

[quote] Oh, Greg, you falsely sincere DL hog, parking yourself here months ago as if it's your personal blog, then making assumptions about complete strangers with yet more barely concealed bitchery. Your facade of "caring" for some stupid dead fools is as sad as your mask of empathy, Greg. Continue to shed crocodile tears for dead billionaires and announce it to all, Greg. 'See? I care!' bleats Greg, the hypocrite.

R201 – You're obnoxious and pathetic.

r105, from offline and online discussions, people across races are hilariously tearing into these jackasses for this unnecessary trip to Bikini Bottom.

r120, you can feel bad for him without lying.

r124, you sound fun at parties.

r235, I feel the same. I've laughed at a lot of jokes about this, but I only really feel sorry for the son. There seems to be a lot of pressure put on Asian sons (no pun intended), I'm sure he felt like he couldn't back out of the trip despite not wanting to go.

@r253, "It's been determined that the banging sounds were made by an underwater steel band, lead by Sebastian the Crab. "

Nope...

[quote] [R124], you sound fun at parties.

Yes, I am quite a lot of fun at parties.

However, R255, I seldom joke about the dead at social occasions.

And I can't recall any of my friends joking about the dead.

I'm glad we don't attend the same parties. I'd hate for you to be bored with the lack of jokes about the deceased.

[quote]But according to the NYT obit, Stockton -- ex Philips Exeter and Princeton -- came from oil wealth.

He is related to Robert F. Stockton -- the namesake for Stockton Street in San Francisco -- and actually looks quite a bit like him.

OceanGate must have known about the implosion as soon as it happened. As was revealed by James Cameron (god bless that bastard), there are hydrophones all over the Atlantic. Did it really take 8 hours for OG to contact authorities? Were the families informed but told to keep quiet by military intel? Did the kid know his stepdad was already dead when he went to see Blink-182? So many questions.

Thanks for that explanation, R183. Fascinating.

R259- Good question. I understood that Navy personal had to confirm that what they heard was in fact the Titian sub, but why OceansGate wait eight hours to report them missing , if that is what happened? Have they given an explanation?

That whole company sounds so incompetent they were probably hoping for the passengers to float up top unharmed even if the sub imploded.

😭😭😭Suleman Dawood was ‘terrified’ to board Titanic-bound submersible

ALWAYS listen to your gut

BORIS JOHNSON: Hamish Harding and his friends died in a cause - pushing out the frontiers of human knowledge and experience - that is typically British, and that fills me with pride. I know there will be many who will say that the adventurers were foolish, and that we need regulation against such experimental technology. But Harding and his fellows were trying to take a new step for humanity, to popularise undersea travel, to democratise the ocean floor. They knew the dangers. In the immortal words of Captain Scott, just before he died from the Antarctic cold: 'We took risks, we knew we took them; things have come out against us, and therefore we have no cause for complaint..'

R192 Unknot you size 22 knickers' doll. This is the way it works here. If ya can't stand the bitchery get your fat white self righteous frau arse back to Reddit where your kind belong. BTW isn't it time for you to change the oil in the deep fryer ? Greasy tater tots are not cute.

I've done a little research on deaths caused by catastrophic implosion and at that depth it probably caused immediate death. Their bodies were probably crushed in a split second. Doubt they felt a thing.

I heard on one of the many youtube videos I was watching it seems like they knew something was very wrong. They felt they were descending too quickly and were getting rid of ballast and wanted to brought back up to the surface. There is a whole lot to be looked into and their deaths were not as unknowing as people are saying. There is a lot we don't know about what these men were going through before the implosion. They could have been in a total state of terror and panic knowing things were not going as they should.

[quote]I've done a little research on deaths caused by catastrophic implosion and at that depth it probably caused immediate death. Their bodies were probably crushed in a split second. Doubt they felt a thing.

So, if I understand it correctly, their bodies would not have been crushed if they had somehow floated to the bottom of the sea. But yes, I would imagine that tremendous amount of water pressure hitting them all at once as the sub imploded would likely have torn their bodies apart instantaneously.

This is a pretty good article.

Class act.

@r270 😂

"I'd tell you to kiss my ass if you had lips"

The kid is tragic. The other four chose to die, thinking "My money will protect me". Killed by hubris and arrogance.

The father had to know how frightened his son was of going, yet he pressured or guilted him into it anyway. What a POS father.

Lol, good one r250.

[quote] I heard on one of the many youtube videos I was watching it seems like they knew something was very wrong.

That's why I come here, for the laughs.

[quote]The father had to know how frightened his son was of going, yet he pressured or guilted him into it anyway. What a POS father.

It’s hard to say “no” when daddy bought you a $250,000 non-refundable ticket for his dream trip on Father’s Day. What a domineering asshole. Stockton Rush was also an ass for allowing them (especially the son) to participate. That along with his abysmal view on marine safety. This is what happens when billionaire megalomaniacs ignore input and feedback from sane, rational people.

Liza Minnelli outlived them all. And that’s a good thing.

[quote]Ok. This is a horrible way to go.

When you gotta go, you gotta go!

I'm unshinkable!

They got a sweetheart deal compared to President Trump.

[quote]@[R103], Black Twitter had a field day yesterday quite proud of the fact that no black folks would be dumb enough to dive under 10K feet of water in a fiberglass tube

That's because 99.9% of daredevils, rock climbers, storm chasers, spelunkers, sky divers, sailors, etc. are white (and male).

Fact s, without curious, adventurous white men the world (and outer space) would not be as advanced nor as explored as it is today.

Black people would still be illiterate and living in huts even though humanity began in Africa, but they never advanced for many millennia before white people came in contact with them.

Fact is, without racists like R283, the world would not be as horrific as it is today.

Looks like my fleshlight

R283 the only thing these five advance was stupidity.

@r283, I know you're kind of dumb, but I'm going to try this anyway...

"Black people would still be illiterate and living in huts even though humanity began in Africa"

So, all of humanity originated as blacks in Africa. Then blacks in Africa migrated out to the rest of the world adapting to other environments, so if blacks weren't adventurous seeking other places to live we'd all still be blacks living in Africa. Oh, and those Egyptians would like a word about illiteracy and living in huts

OP here.

THEN WHO WAS BANG?

@r283, "That's because 99.9% of daredevils, rock climbers, storm chasers, spelunkers, sky divers, sailors, etc. are white (and male). "

Yep, you'll never hear a brother say, "Hold my beer" 🙄

Stockton Rush came from old money that he used to invest in and finance his business ventures. He wasn’t an eccentric genius; he was a nitwit who hated scuba diving, so he built himself a deep sea toy to play with.

They're Slurm.

Sad indeed Greg, but why was such poorly built submarine authorized to go so deep into the ocean?

Crazy!!! This happened out of stupidity

I don't disagree with you about this, R293.

I agree that the whole thing seems crazy.

I just am not willing to vilify the wealthy.

That's why I come here, for the laughs.

So you think it's hilarious that they knew things were going very wrong and were terrified before the implosion and trying to ascend when everyone is trying to make it sound like they knew nothing and the implosion just happened out of the blue. You're quite a barrel of laughs.

I understand exploration but if you had this much money to spend on this trip wouldn't you have done a little investigating first? The machine was not suitable, they weren't certified. They used a damn game controller to run the thing, so many experts had canceled their trips because of all these things so why were these people willing to risk it all? These people didn't become wealthy by being stupid.

I also think the father was scared to go which was why it comforted him to drag his son along.

R296, I agree. If I were wealthy enough to have so much "play money" available to me I would go top of the line, not on some bullshit like this.

Dr. Todd gives his analysis:

Who vilified the wealthy nutty grog ?

That was my first post on the thread.

Quite a number of posters have vilified the wealthy, R299.

Try reading.

And?

Who are you to be blindly defending billionaires?

Greg himself is a billionaire, so you can’t blame him for being sympathetic to their plight.

Hold the phone on this father, some of you are being really really judgmental (I say this as someone who has worked extremely hard to excise judgment from my own mind, I struggled with it much of my life).

In his defense, the father actually trusted this company, he trusted the science, and he trusted Stockton. We already know from other released texts that Stockton was absolutely convinced that he had all the facts, that only he understood the truth, and he really believed in his sub! That is NOT a defense, I hope the remaining execs are charged and serve time, on top of getting bled dry of all their money too, and that they make a public apology to both the families, the government, and the world at large. But my point in saying all of this is just to provide more context. So this father implicitly trusted all of this, and in many ways, you could argue, why wouldn’t he? Nothing quite like this disaster has ever happened before, so it isn’t inconceivable that it was easy for the father to trust OceanGate.

Which brings us to the son. I would bet that because the father “knew” they would be safe, he actually believed he was helping to turn his son into a man. He thought his son had childish fears, and his dear ol’ dad was going to show his son that he can’t let his fears control him, that “courage is not the absence of fear, courage is acting in spite of the fear” life lesson. And in probably every other situation, the father would have been correct AND would have coached his son on a valuable life lesson. Also, some of this may be cultural too, meaning I don’t know much about Pakistani culture, but I would not be shocked if this is just how a father leads his son into manhood. I am also 100% certain the father saw a beautiful poetry in doing this with his son on Father’s Day; again, that is not a defense of poor judgment, it is simply an explanation of how a complex disaster like this can actually happen. Context, context, context.

The person who should be receiving much much more of your venom is Stockton. Think about it! James Cameron said today that Stockton actually had multiple leaders/executives within the industry writing him letters, telling him that if he wants to play with unproven technology, go for it, but do NOT allow passengers on an experimental vessel in a commercial setting because there *will* be an accident and then you are going to destroy the entire industry when that happens — and that man refused to listen!!!!

I fucking hate the DailyFail, but the interview with Cameron today was pretty incredible. Cameron said that everyone inside the industry KNEW what must have happened on Sunday, and that our government knew as well, and allowed the bullshit oxygen stories to circulate to cover their asses on our national security and military capabilities, which had indeed heard the fucking implosion!! But I can’t blame the government either, I’m GLAD they didn’t use this shitshow to announce to the planet that they are always listening in the ocean. Our military leaders absolutely made the right call here, they knew it would come out, and it was NOT their job to announce it, they stayed in their own lane as they should.

And lay off Greg too, I adore him you whores. If you don’t like him, fuck off to another thread you bullies.

Are you a millionaire, Greg?

How does it feel to be a Millionaire in South Dakota Greg?

Greg wished the poster named Dutchie had been on the little sub.

I want to be Greg’s Dominican pool boy.

GapPlaylists is such a troublemaker!

Hahaha!

R303 A simple Google search would have shed light on the company's problems and the laughably risky safety protocols. It's all on the web. Common sense would stop most people from trusting a rich white man with a game controller asking for half a mil. He was a fool. Now he and his child are dead.

R309, but we don’t know if he had friends who had recommended it. It is not as simple as you seem desperate to believe. You want to believe you could never make a fatal choice….but you could. So could I. Scary, right?

Leave Greg alone! He Didn't kill those people!

R303 "I don’t know much about Pakistani culture, but I would not be shocked if this is just how a father leads his son into manhood."

Pakistan is landlocked, one of the poorest countries in the world. I WOULD be shocked if most Pakastani men forced their children into dangerous untested experimental submergibles to look at disasters sites at the bottom of the ocean as a rite of passage.

R310 I've had friends recommend heroin. And I'd never be stupid enough to get in that little can. So, no I would never make that choice but take off your shoes and climb in!

[quote] Are you a millionaire, Greg?

On paper, yes.

I wouldn’t use a carbon fiber chef’s knife let alone a carbon fiber deep sea exploration pod. Steel and titanium are the best!

@r294, "I just am not willing to vilify the wealthy. "

Why not, Greg? I'm rich and frankly we suck

R313, you totally miss the point. NO, I would never get in a submersible because I have claustrophobia. My only point is that even intelligent, educated people can have no common sense, they can make mistakes, they can disregard their instincts. All human beings are capable of major lapses in judgment. But do judge, judge, judge, judge, because it won’t mess with my peace of mind at all, likely only yours.

R312, do you actually know anything about the role of fathers within modern, wealthy, educated Pakistan? I do not. It is curious that you are presenting as having all the answers when I don’t believe you have insight into cultural mores in Pakistan.

[quote]May they rest in peace.

First stop on the Greg201666 redemption tour.

Stockton Rush and James Cameron both became millionaires, but Rush was an entitled trust fund baby who went to Ivy League schools, while Cameron is a self-made man with a blue collar background who went to community college. You can see the difference in their upbringing and work ethics in the design of their subs. Poetic justice was served. I hope Elon Musk receives the same.

[quote]I would bet that because the father “knew” they would be safe, he actually believed he was helping to turn his son into a man.

He should have hired him a prostitute instead.

r305 I'm sorry but Greg has stated a few times where he lives and it's not in the Dakotas. You obviously didn't pay attention so you do not get to question him.

Grog R321 don't use your sock puppets to talk to me.

Be a man, not a troll.

r322 I am not Greg and am actually quite the opposite of him.

Sure jan, R323

[quote] Who are you to be blindly defending billionaires?

I happen to know two billionaires quite well. One is an acquaintance and one is a friend. Not all billionaires are terrible people.

Well, R316, people who suck come in all income brackets. Bring rich or bring poor are not guarantees of anything.

You beg to be seem as a troll, don't you, grog?

Not sure what you’re talking about R318, but you sound confused.

Thank you, R322.

R305 is of no consequence. Just a minor annoyance.

uh Greg, 322 is 305

^^^^^ That's right, I AM, Greg is senile.

That waiver had " death" on every page. It would have been irresponsible for the father to go on that dive alone, but to bring his son after signing such a wavier? Oh, hell no. When one makes the decision to bring a child into this world they no longer have the right to risk their life unnecessarily, much less their child.

Hey Greg, I need a cole slaw recipe for the weekend. You got one handy?

I am the one playing devils advocate on the father at r317 and further up. R332, your point is well taken and just another layer in studying what happened here — you are correct, no parent should sign waivers that speak of death for their children, it really is incredible to think about him signing those docs.

Piss off Grog Troll, we are here to MOURN, I am in my black bloomers and beaver fur Thomas Top Hat as I type this. You’re derailing an otherwise fun thread. Be gone! Scat! Scat! SCAT!

^^^^^

If the thread is about mourning the why greg derailed it to talk about how the rich aren't to be villified and how he knows, not one BUT TWO billionaires?

That's right bitch R334, Grog LOVES scat 💩, just ask him about the size of his butthole. He can't have anal without pooping all over his hubby's dick.

Well, this thread went to hell in a hand basket rather quickly.

[quote] Hey Greg, I need a cole slaw recipe for the weekend. You got one handy?

Yes, R323, I will post my favorite coleslaw recipe in a bit. It's a very traditional but delicious coleslaw.

Be sure to check back.

We need not mourn, anymore. It's time for the wake and lots of food. Time to pull out some wonderful weekend recipes.

This is the morning after mourning.

Last vid image from submersible Titan has been released.

^ Frau mistook sub for empanada.

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Damn you, R341, I enlarged that pic to see what it was

😂😂😂😂😂 R344

See, this is a lesson. You think the "experts" know everything. You rely on them. The Pakistani guy trusted Stockton. Stockton was one of those know it alls. A bullshitter. Shame on him. He convinced himself and then sold his bullshit to others. And then they died. People need to do research. Ask questions. Then wait. Don't be rushed or forced to make a decision. Step back and observe first. I even do the research and questions with my doctors. I never just assume people know what they're doing. I watch everything. And it is not exhausting. I think if more people paid attention and educated themselves whether it's f ixing a minor plumbing problem, or major surgery, or riding in a submarine.

My favorite update today was James Cameron's interview on NPR where he made certain to let everyone know that the crew had at least a few moments to know they were going to die and also that he made sure that everybody knew they were dead well before it was officially announced.

@r346, You've got to wonder how smart these billionaires were to be bullshitted into taking a tiny plastic tube 2 miles down into the North Atlantic for really no other reason than bragging rights 🤔

^ Elon Musk has got to be wondering why they didn't invite a cool rich guy like him to come along... Elon, these guys were total narcissistic idiots and they STILL didn't want you to sit at their lunch table

Playing devil's advocate here -- and I mean that almost literally -- some people have pointed out that no similar catastrophe of a submarine imploding in the depths of the ocean has ever happened before, and in fact, the Titan vessel itself made two successful previous trips to the Titanic wreckage site. I'm not saying I would ever have gotten in the thing, even if I could easily afford it, because quite the opposite: I wouldn't have made the trip even if they paid ME a million dollars. I'm just pointing out how it's possible that some people might think the risk was relatively low considering the realities of the excursion.

[quote] Pakistan is landlocked, one of the poorest countries in the world.

Say what now, r312?

They had to either find the missing sub or debris of implosion before they could verify.

Stockton is absolutely to blame.

Btw, I am really surprised no one anywhere commented on the fact that the Titan looked kinda like an Electrolux vacuum cleaner.

I mean...they really got into an oversized tic tac and dove 2 miles into the North Atlantic and thought it was a good idea.

Make it make sense, Jesus.

@r351, Arabian Sea, but close

Indeed R353. And now they're all the size of a tic tac themselves. Ironic.

Can someone explain to r355 how "seas" and "oceans" work?

One thing I have noticed from the whole Titan sub debacle is how badly Americans are educated. Some of the responses in these threads are mind-blowing.

@357, "—It's on the Indian Ocean, you half-wit "

Look, Pakistan is NOT on the Indian Ocean it's on the Arabian Sea. If you're going to be a smart ass get your shit together or shut the fuck up. I'm not the one who said Pakistan was landlocked, but you're just as stupid

Have a nice day 🙂

has anyone noticed that Musk, Bezos and Branson haven't had any space flights lately? they all went up about the same time and then just stopped. Also have any of them commented on any of this???

CNN is reporting on this wall to wall as if it were another 9/11.

Sending Anderson Cooper to Newfoundland?

They are trying to collect on it in any way they can. I hate the media, it used to help form opinions and help you know what was going on. Now it is just a big money grab.

Have they called in Richard Quest yet r361?

Great video, r354. Thanks!

British actor Ross Kemp had planned to visit the Titanic on the OceanGate submersible for a TV show:

[quote] Mr Kemp's agent at InterTalent, professor Jonathan Shalit, said the production company had carried out checks on the OceanGate submersible, but had deemed it unsafe. "They found other sub dives which have been safe and successful but, by that point, Ross was so busy with all his TV shows that he was unable to commit the time," he said. "I am just relieved not to have had my post note in history as the agent who killed Ross Kemp."

'Glad' is not the word, but at least that pompous, stupid ass of a CEO went down, so to speak, with his ship.

I actually kind of wish he were here to face the music, R366.

Not so much down, but inwards R366.

[quote]One thing I have noticed from the whole Titan sub debacle is how badly Americans are educated. Some of the responses in these threads are mind-blowing.

If only there was some way to rapidly access research tools like dictionaries, news articles, encyclopedias, and maps. Hopefully, someday, we’ll have the technology.

As it has been said time and time again, terrible things more often than not happen to people who do stupid things.

R214-He’s so full of himself with the success of his mediocre movies like Titanic (1997) and Avatar (2009).

He is one of the world's experts on the Titanic wreck, r371. He's visited the site, I believe, more than any other person.

R350' Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the nuclear sub Thresher imploded during a deep-sea dive 220 miles off the coast of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, in 1963. The implosion left 129 sailors dead.

R333/June Lockhart,

As requested, I posted my favorite recipe for coleslaw.

I hope you like it.

[bold] GREG’S RECIPE FOR THE MOST DELICIOUS & CLASSIC COLESLAW [/bold]

[bold] INGREDIENTS [/bold]

¼ head (about 1 pound) green cabbage

2 carrots

⅓ cup of good mayonnaise (I prefer Hellman’s or Blue Plate)

⅓ cup sour cream

1 Tablespoon cider vinegar

1 Tablespoon sugar

½ teaspoon celery seed

¼ teaspoon kosher salt

⅛ teaspoon pepper

+++

[bold] PROCEDURE [/bold]

1. Shred cabbage not long, thin ribbons, or how ever you prefer. Grate carrots and combine with cabbage in a large bowl.

2. In a small bowl, whisk together the mayonnaise, sour cream, vinegar, sugar, celery seed, salt, and pepper. Add dressing to cabbage mixture, and toss to combine.

3. Serve immediately or chill in the refrigerator.

I hope you like this very classic recipe for this traditional summertime accompaniment.

I think Greg is quite polite, takes a lot of shit and deals with it with good humor and grace, and he has some good, if not exactly exotic, recipes.

Regarding the legal parts of this, the waiver that they all signed can be voided if obtained by misrepresentation or fraud. That is one basis on which the waiver can be found void ab initio. Moreover, the most one-sided waivers have a clause that defends and indemnifies the other party for negligent and intentional acts. Depending on the jurisdiction, which will be contested, most waivers for intentional acts are deemed unconscionable as a matter of equity (not law) and criminal acts are even less likely to be waived.

Finally, there is already a criminal investigation underway. There are likely to be criminal charges within weeks, if not days. That co-owner is looking at prison time and he thinks his money is going to save him. It won't. The public needs its blood.

[quote]CNN is reporting on this wall to wall as if it were another 9/11.

Ha, the news cycle is brutal. Russians killing each other is now the top story. By Monday the media will have totally moved on.

Greg do you have any recipes for very small, very highly pressured, hard pressed pieces of meat?

Thank you, R378, for advertising your very poor taste.

I’m suddenly in the mood for calamari. Any good recipes Greg?

R351 R355 R359 landlocked [ land-lokt ] adjective pshut in completely, or almost completely, by land: a landlocked bay.

having no direct access to the sea: a landlocked country.

There have been a number of sub implosions, the USS Scorpion was another. And the USSR had many submarine disasters such as the Kursk.

Oh yes, R380. I certainly do!

Calamari is wonderful and is one of the seven seafood dishes I often prepare and serve on Christmas Eve.

@r381, Is everything ok at home? Are the pills the doctor gave you not working?

"—It's on the Indian Ocean, you half-wit "

Pakistan is STILL on the Arabian Sea you numpty 🙄

Does anyone know where the cruisy areas are in Newfoundland?

Cameron has made dives in submersibles, and been down to the Titanic more than 30 times. He certainly understands the technology, the materials, the architecture, the risks, etc. and he said that the materials used to construct the sub had been used before and didn't work. The guy used them anyway. And each time that submersible went down, and came back up, it degraded. cracks, etc. By the last attempt it was literally ready to fall apart. Yes, the passengers knew. They got some kind of warning and probably were trying to go back up when it imploded. I also recall someone saying that they went down too fast and it portended of trouble.

This catastrophe reminded me of The Challenger tragedy. Remember? Those astronauts were alive when the spacecraft broke apart. They were in the module as it fell to earth protected by heat shields, until they crashed into the ocean. I think they may have imploded. Not sure. Does anyone remember where it crashed? Which ocean? I keep thinking Gulf of Mexico.

@r385, "Does anyone know where the cruisy areas are in Newfoundland? "

Go to the back of the old Viking church where you'll find a glory hole. Been there for a 1000 years

^ If you get lost just ask for Thor, he'll show you the way 😉

[quote]This catastrophe reminded me of The Challenger tragedy. Remember?

No, I was still in my mommy's belly.

The only one I feel sad for is the 19 year old son who only agreed to go because his father was so into it.

This guy explains what happens to the human body when a sub implodes.

People die all day and all night all over the world. Move on.

So basically, if anyone is hoping to retrieve any remains they'll be disappointed. Those bodies turned to gelatin and were ejected from every crack in that craft.

[quote]Greg do you have any recipes for very small, very highly pressured, hard pressed pieces of meat?

Greg doesn’t do Spam, R378. Or maybe he does? The mere thought of it gives me implosive diarrhea.

No, I do not do Spam.

Though strangely it was served as part of a wedding brunch buffet I attended once at a very nice hotel.

^^Was it in Hawaii, Greg? You can’t avoid it on the islands.

[quote]Greg doesn’t do Spam,

More like opening a can of sardines 🐟

Was it a lot of Spam?

r394 Which makes this scenario a perfect setup if one wishes to fake their death. No one expects to find a body/remains. Hmmmmmm.

Yes, R397.

It was at the Mandarin Oriental on O‘ahu.

Lovely as can be, but there was Spam.

How the heck did we get off on talking about potted meat on a thread devoted to the poor bastards who turned to jello in that submarine?

The Arabian Sea is a part of the Indian Ocean, complete moron at r359, r384. That's how "seas" and "oceans" work.

^ Take your meds and your Teddy Bear and go to bed

Yup........

Ok I laughed. And I'm not sorry. Yeah I'm white. But I ain't "let's get in a submarine and look at the titanic white".

This is SO fuckin' funny!

[QUOTE] There's a company with almost the same exact business plan running excursions in the Mariana Trench. Wonder if anyone will scrutinize their operation.

The MEG will eat them up soon enough.

R391 I should have kept the link but I didn't - but the dead boy's mom has done an interview (on video) and said that she was supposed to have his place on the submersible but her son wanted to go so badly that he talked her out of it. She says he was so so excited and happy about going. Isn't that heartwarming?

I think I found the link

R409, The missing link?

Thoughts and prayers to the mother. I hope she has other children to comfort her and if not, she should be on suicide watch.

she said she gave up her seat to her kid.

Damn, I bet she blames herself.

If it's true, R412. His aunt said he was terrified and was only trying to please his dad. Maybe Mom doesn't like that narrative out there.

R411, She has the 21 year old son.

R412/R413, I believe the aunt. Why would she make a hurtful lie like that public?

The mother would have been the only female aboard, which I don’t see as probable.

R415 The Death Tube had taken at least one woman down (and up again!) to see the wreck successfully.

R415 the aunt and the dad were not close.

R417, But, perhaps the aunt and her nephew were.

Yes they were close but she had a bad relationship with her brother. The aunt moved to Amsterdam to smoke weed for her ailments and she was essentially cut out of the family picture. So yes, she has an axe to grind and is making her brother seem responsible for the son’s death. His mother has a different story - she gave up her place because he really wanted to go. Who is telling the truth?

"Tourists trips" to the Mariana Trench sound insane. I get anxiety just thinking about how deep it is.

r419 I believe the sister.

I believe the sister too. Because with her son dead, of course the mother is going to need to believe he wanted to go.

Always believe the responsible adult.

I totally believe the aunt/sister.

I had aunts that I felt more comfortable confiding to on certain matters rather than my parents.

Shubmarine.

R425 Shubmershible, darling.

I shtand corrected R426.

[quote]I totally believe the aunt/sister. I had aunts that I felt more comfortable confiding to on certain matters rather than my parents.

Yes. And, as others have noted, why if it wasn't true would the aunt have said that her nephew had confided in her that he was terrified to go on the sub? Even if she really hated her brother, it would be despicably horrible to make up a lie like that.

Apropos of nothing, the survivor who starts speaking around 5:40 is very compelling.

R429, that first survivor has to be the stupidest person ever. She didn't realize there was any danger until she got to New York? Even after watching the ship sink in front of her eyes?

R430 I agree, but I also think one of our problems is that we all visualize the James Cameron version of the sinking. I was watching a good You Tube video the other night about how it actually sunk, and the guy said there was absolutely no moon, a clear cloudless sky with a lot of stars, but depending where you were seated on the lifeboats and where the life boat was as it sank, you might not have seem anything more than a dark shadowy outline of the ship once all the lights went out.

This record of the morse code messages from the Titanic and other ships that night is very powerful. Very moving.

Thank you, R432. Amazing and chilling.

By the way, CQD was the outmoded way of saying SOS. It had changed recently in 1912, and the operator on the Titanic used both. They used CQD because they are letters that would never be next to each other in any words.

[quote]That first survivor has to be the stupidest person ever. She didn't realize there was any danger until she got to New York? Even after watching the ship sink in front of her eyes?

Yes, she actually said she thought it was all part of the experience and she didn't think anything was wrong. I expect she was mentally handicapped, to put it mildly. But indeed, the memories of that male passenger in the link at R429 are very compelling.

The mother was interviewed by the bbc and said her son wanted to break a Guinness World Record for the person to complete a Rubics Cube at the deepest depth.

Thanks, R432.

Really chilling to hear the morse.

R432 Truly moving…..wow. Such an intimate and human snapshot of the fateful night. Those two Marconi operators were real heros signaling until the very end

R432, that was really powerful. I was thinking. That one ship, the Carpathia, was about 50 knots away but could only go 15 knots an hour so it took 4 hours and the other ship was also close, about 58 knots away , I think it was the Californian? But it seems like it didn't get involved inthe rescue.

Watching the elderly man describe his experience was really chilling too. He still had nightmares. It's interesting to me that we had all these notions about how it happened, etc. and it wasn't until 1985 when they first dove to the wreckage, that they realized the ship broke apart before it sunk. James Cameron's movie was good about showing us how it really happened. How the ice berg sort of punctured the ship like a can opener, tore a hole into it, and once the water level rose it was doomed. I still can't get over how fast it went down.

The operators on the Olympic were such idiots. At 1:27 AM they send, "Are you steering to meet us?" I don't know how Jack Phillips didn't send back, "BITCH I HAVE BEEN TYPING CQD SOS WE ARE SINKING FOR A FUCKING HOUR YOU POS."

R430 it's clear she was a little girl when that happened. They don't understand everything.

I agree R441. And we can't compare a 16 yr old from 1912 to today's 16 yr olds. Sounded like she was in steerage. She had no knowledge or experience of sailing on a ship.

Really encouraging to see how many people are celebrating the death of these demonic oligarchs, hopefully real class war is on its way soon.

Is r443 posting from 1912 or 2023?

[quote]It's clear she was a little girl when that happened. They don't understand everything.

[quote]And we can't compare a 16 yr old from 1912 to today's 16 yr olds. Sounded like she was in steerage. She had no knowledge or experience of sailing on a ship.

Are you people fucking kidding me? Maybe not in the initial stages of the tragedy, but as things began to get more and more desperate, there must have been tremendous panic, screaming, and crying all around her. Wouldn't even a "little girl" understand that meant there was something TERRIBLY wrong? But also, you're wrong about her age -- she clearly says she was 16. So I'm sticking with my theory that she was mentally retarded.

Wasn't she in the first lifeboat? It's not like she was on the ship as it was sinking, r445

[quote]Wasn't she in the first lifeboat? It's not like she was on the ship as it was sinking, [R445]

So, aside from everything else, the other women in the lifeboat with her weren't crying or wailing or behaving in such a way as to indicate that this was part of the normal experience? She somehow missed all of that even though she was 16 years old, not six? Sorry - mentally retarded.

I don't know why I'm engaging, but again, she was 16, had never been on an ocean liner before (or any boat, for all we know), and was off the boat at least an hour before it finally sank all the way. When the first lifeboats were being loaded, I don't think many of the passengers understood the true gravity of the situation -- much less this girl.

I don't know why you're engaging either, R448, since you're obviously as mentally challenged as that woman must have been.

What she said in the interview was that SHE DIDN'T REALIZE THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION UNTIL AFTER SHE ARRIVED IN NEW YORK. So, even if it was so dark that the people in the lifeboats couldn't see the Titanic sink, obviously they would have realized it was gone after the sun came up. At least some of the other people in the lifeboat must have realized that there had been a tremendous tragedy and loss of life, and they must have been reacting accordingly. And on top of all that, there must have been discussion of the tragedy on the Carpathia during its trip to New York.

There was a substantial period after the ship sank where people in the water were screaming, witnesses reported on the trauma of that. Yet this girl missed it all.

She thought the evacuation/sinking was part of the trip?

Like a theme park ride?

[quote]She thought the evacuation/sinking was part of the trip? Like a theme park ride?

Apparently. And, incredible as this may seems, R448 (etc.) finds it perfectly reasonable that this mentally challenged woman didn't understand that anything went wrong with the Titanic's voyage until after she got to New York on the Carpathia. Which only goes to prove that, no matter how ridiculous, insane, bizarre, and stupid a statement may be, there will always be some people defending and justifying it online.

More like resting In pieces 🤭😮‍💨

This piece was fascinating

Okay, bitches, someone said that the girl who didn't realize how serious the situation was, was on one of the first lifeboats. If that was the case, the people in her boat might have been quiet and well-behaved, she would have missed the screaming and panic as the people on board gradually realized shit was getting real, the actual sinking, and the sea full of corpses, because her boat would have been well away by the time the real drama started.

None of that means the woman was mentally challenged, BTW.

The Mom and her daughter (who is 17) were on the ship at the dive site from the time the submersible was launched until the search was called off after the debris was located.

NOT RESTING IN PEACE HERE.

I'm surprised that people are surprised at someone being naive and stupid at 16 in 1912.

Cher said she was grown up before she found out that Mount Rushmore didn't occur naturally.

And look at the lunatic shit that people literally believe that's written in the Bible.

People be very stupid, in general.

[quote]Okay, bitches, someone said that the girl who didn't realize how serious the situation was, was on one of the first lifeboats. If that was the case, the people in her boat might have been quiet and well-behaved, she would have missed the screaming and panic as the people on board gradually realized shit was getting real, the actual sinking, and the sea full of corpses, because her boat would have been well away by the time the real drama started.

I realize the rowers in the lifeboat would have rowed some distance away from the Titanic to avoid being sucked into the water when the ship finally sank, but.....just how far away do you think they rowed? Far enough so that no one in the lifeboat could hear all that screaming from hundreds of people freezing to death in the sub-frigid water? Even if that was the case, I can't believe at least some of the people in the lifeboat wouldn't have realized the degree of the tragedy and that their loved ones were probably dead. And even if THAT was the case, there MUST have been some discussion of the horrendous tragedy and great loss of life on the Carpathia. Yet somehow, that stupid woman said she didn't realize anything terrible had happened until after the Carpathia docked in New York.

The lights were still on on the Titanic. The orchestra was playing and the bursars passing out the life jackets all claimed everything would be set to rights shortly. The first few life boats weren't even half full.

Is it true that Joan Collins was also aboard the first lifeboat?

[quote]The lights were still on on the Titanic. The orchestra was playing and the bursars passing out the life jackets all claimed everything would be set to rights shortly. The first few life boats weren't even half full.

Yes, we all know all of that, but it still doesn't explain that woman claiming she didn't know anything was wrong until she got to New York, which is beyond incredible. And I think you meant pursers, not "bursars."

R462, Wouldn’t the fact that she had to board a different ship to complete the voyage have given her a clue?

Maybe we're misinterpreting her statement that she didn't realize anything was wrong. Maybe what she meant was that she didn't realize the boat sank.

Riding on the Titanic with My Sister...

In Fairview Cemetery, here in Halifax, Nova Scotia, there are 121 graves of Titanic victims. Probably the most famous grave there is the one often referred to as the grave of the unknown child. This child was finally identified a few years ago using modern forensic testing. I occasionally walk through Fairview and stop to pay my respects to these victims, It's a sad but beautiful and peaceful spot.

[quote]Maybe we're misinterpreting her statement that she didn't realize anything was wrong. Maybe what she meant was that she didn't realize the boat sank.

There's no room for misinterpretation, because she said what she said, and it's right there in that film of the interview.

I mean she is probably a dumb immigrant who had never seen a ship let alone the ocean before so how did she know this isn't how it was all supposed to happen when you disembark.

Perhaps there was a certain amount of "Hush, don't frighten the poor child" happening in the lifeboat.

Because like I said, someone on the first few lifeboats could easily miss all the real horrors. They wouldn't have been part of the panic on the ship, and wouldn't have been surrounded by a sea of corpses. And as the horizon is only about 2 miles away at sea level, and the lifeboat would have had about 2 hours to make distance from the wreck, it's not clear what would have been visible or audible to people sitting in a lifeboat.

How about she was dumb AND in shock? It is not shocking to me that some human beings could only process that scene on one level only, and not fully digest the horror in one fell swoop.

R461

Yes.

She was -21 years old

A lot of those immigrants were really living rough lives…many of them had never seen a toilet before…and didn’t know that food was cooked on a stove even…I can totally understand their ignorance at the time. To them, these liners were the best thing that they ever saw…plentiful food and tasty too, if not gourmet like in first or second class.

[quote]I mean she is probably a dumb immigrant who had never seen a ship let alone the ocean before so how did she know this isn't how it was all supposed to happen when you disembark.

Sorry, I'm sticking to my opinion that no 16-year-old human being could be that stupid unless they are developmentally disabled. As you apparently are.

[quote]Perhaps there was a certain amount of "Hush, don't frighten the poor child" happening in the lifeboat. Because like I said, someone on the first few lifeboats could easily miss all the real horrors. They wouldn't have been part of the panic on the ship, and wouldn't have been surrounded by a sea of corpses. And as the horizon is only about 2 miles away at sea level, and the lifeboat would have had about 2 hours to make distance from the wreck, it's not clear what would have been visible or audible to people sitting in a lifeboat.

Why on earth would the rowers of that lifeboat ever have rowed so far away from the ship that they would have missed all the horrors? And what the hell does the distance of the horizon have to do with anything?

[quote]A lot of those immigrants were really living rough lives…many of them had never seen a toilet before…and didn’t know that food was cooked on a stove even…I can totally understand their ignorance at the time.

And what's the explanation for YOUR astounding ignorance?

[quote]How about she was dumb AND in shock? It is not shocking to me that some human beings could only process that scene on one level only, and not fully digest the horror in one fell swoop.

That may be true, but that's not remotely how she described her reaction. She said she had no idea anything was wrong until she got to New York. If she had been in shock during the experience, don't you think she would have at least realized that afterwards?

While I sense the "She was mentally retarded!!!" poster is trolling at this point, it's remarkable that some people have such trouble imagining that others have had vastly different life experiences than their own, and may in turn react in remarkably diverse ways to the same event.

R442 spht! What! 16? Oh I thought more like 6 or 10.

16? And she thought the boat was supposed to crack in half and half the people were supposed to die in the water? Maybe she thought, oh this is just what happens SOMETIMES but a 16 year old should know some things.

Time doesn't matter. Laura Ingalls Wilder was out rocking the buggy with Almanzo on the prairie in the 1880s. She was a teen mom and they had to have a quick wedding.

Best believe she wouldn't have thought it's all part of the experience. 'Ships are just a sailing and crashing all the time. That's how it is.' Dumb.

But yeah maybe we're overanalyzing her poor choice of words because she seems to be at least of average intelligence.

[quote]It's remarkable that some people have such trouble imagining that others have had vastly different life experiences than their own, and may in turn react in remarkably diverse ways to the same event.

I have no trouble imagining that, BUT.....there are limits. And being able to understand how a 16-year-old girl would have thought it normal to be hustled into a lifeboat from an ocean liner, then TO WATCH THE TITANIC SINK and then to be floating on the ocean in that lifeboat for two hour or more, and then to be somehow lifted onto another ship to take her and the others in the lifeboat to New York would be part of the normal experience of a voyage is beyond my limit

By the way, for those above who argued "We don't know how much she was able to see from the lifeboat," I just watched the video of the interview again and, yes, SHE DEFINITELY SAYS SHE WATCHED THE SHIP SINK. But somehow she STILL says she didn't realize anything was wrong until she got to New York, although she does admit "I thought it was a hard way to get there." To me, that signals mental retardation. And the people here who are commenting on her words without watching the video and paying attention to what she actually said have their own issues.

She wasn't stupid or anything R451 and other misinformed queens.

The first boats were filled with first class passangers ONLY, AND they were less than HALF FULL.

A Lot of passangers went back inside after living their accomodations, because they WERE NOT told that the ship was going to sink.

On the contrary, a lot of them were told that that was a temporary evacuation for a deep inspection and that they would probably return to the ship for the breakfast. I guess only in the last 40 or 50 minutes people truly realized what was about to happen.

A survivor who had also survived a car crash in late 1911, and died in 1975 when she was a 96 year old late was the one who told these details, I forgot her name, but she lost trunks and trunks full of jewelry, claiming that the sinking made her poor for a few years.

Maybe what she meant was that she didn't realize until she got to NYC that so many died. She was in a life boat, she saw other lifeboats, she may have assumed everyone got out., not realizing so many died.

R474, that I tolerate lowlife motherfuckers like you. Stick your head in a gas oven, cunt.

Lissen. The Coast Guard is saying they found what they THINK are some human remains with that sub wreckage. Can you imagine? Those people were reduced to gel. Snot. smears and there's no way they can even be identified. They should have just said "There are no remains. Fish got em."

Holy fuck r482, I’m not that poster, but pleeeeeeease, calm your tits.

I do confess, I didn’t watch that girls video lololol, so you are correct that we missed the context of what she said. Sorry, I was indeed being lazy because some links here are too long. The poster saying she is low IQ is likely correct, it makes sense when reading more — though I will now shut up until I watch her HA.

[quote] [R474], that I tolerate lowlife motherfuckers like you. Stick your head in a gas oven, cunt. —R482

Sounds like someone needs some of [bold] GREG'S HOMEMADE REJUVENATING TONIC & MOOD ENHANCER [/bold]

R485 what’s in it?

100 proof.

[quote]Maybe what she meant was that she didn't realize until she got to NYC that so many died. She was in a life boat, she saw other lifeboats, she may have assumed everyone got out., not realizing so many died.

MAYBE that's what she meant, but it's not what she said, which was "I thought it was part of the trip....I didn't realize that there was any danger." INCREDIBLE, but that is what she said.

R482, no need for me to wish for YOU to stick your head in a gas oven. Instead, all I need wish for you is that you book a cruise on a luxury liner and that it hits an iceberg and sinks, in which case you will go to your death because, like the mentally handicapped woman in that Titanic video, you'll think it's "all part of the experience" with "no danger" involved, so you probably won't even bother to get into a life boat.

R489, you are such a cornball. Be quiet.

OH SHUT UP ABOUT THE GIRL WITHOUT A CLUE!!!

That is literally the least interesting thing about the Titanic, and you won't shut up about it. 57 posts so far, and you're still raving! Go outside, Queen. Close the computer, go leer at the dads on the block or get some exercise, get a tiny touch of perspective, and maybe let the rest of us discuss the various wrecks rationally.

Sorry, R491, but I wouldn't have felt it necessary to keep commenting on that woman's incredible statements if several people here hadn't tried to defend her idiocy. But okay, no more on her from me after this.

R491 great post! Had me laughing out loud at the absurdity of all the focus on the clueless passenger….truly the least interesting thing about Titanic and yet it got such intense attention on good old datalounge. Thanks for the laugh and hopefully putting an end to the clueless girl analysis!

She was also half asleep in the dead of night. Perhaps it didn't don on her until dawn, when light came out.

Ok fine she's dumb. She's just dumb.

Hold the phone — I responded to that stupid bitch fight, but it was earlier on, I had no idea they would derail a good thread with the volume of posts. I want to know whose remains they have, and how much could there possibly be???? It’s got to be just bits.

If a body is cremated at 1000 degrees, do the bones turn to ash too? I am just wondering if the heat of the implosion was strong enough to destroy bones. If they found remains, it does make me wonder what the fuck happened exactly.

R491 you're more than welcome to start your own thread about interesting shipwrecks.

They found a thin reddish film on the surface

R497, are you serious or kidding? It’s hard to tell, cite your source please.

She wasno R492, I have already EXPLAINED that the passenger were LIED to, and didn't know how severe the situation really until some 30 minutes before the complete sinking.

It didn't happen like in the James Cameron movie.

R499, I thought the Cameron movie showed that pretty accurately. Remember Rose's mother telling Trudy she would have some tea "when they returned?" Many of them thought the ship had some minor mechanical mishap and this exercise was precautionary. They even had the orchestra playing "to avoid panic. " The one thing we did not see in the Cameron movie was the darkness. The videos I've watched said there was no moon and the sea was dead calm. So the further away the boats got from the ship all they saw was a shadowy form, especially once the lights when out.

I don't know why we have seized on this old woman's comments to argue about it all. She clearly was not a good source. Not worth any discussion really. She was a waste of time for the videographer. The old man was much better.

Just go to Encyclopedia Titanica…there’s nothing about the TITANIC that they don’t know.

[quote]I don't know why we have seized on this old woman's comments to argue about it all. She clearly was not a good source. Not worth any discussion really. She was a waste of time for the videographer. The old man was much better.

I agree with you that she was a waste of time for the videographer/interviewer, because she clearly was mentally ill or stupid, and/or her memories were highly confused at the very least. Her comments are worth discussion only in that they're so bizarre -- for example, she first says she didn't realize anything was wrong until she got to New York (on the Carpathia), but later, in response to a query from the interviewer/videographer, SHE DEFINITELY CONFIRMS THAT SHE WATCHED THE SHIP SINK. This last little bit of info sees to be something that many of you are missing or ignoring, for whatever reason.

And yes, the old man's interview is far more worthwhile and very compelling.

This has to be one of the saddest stories of the disaster…this poor woman…

Yes r503, sad. I read the Charles Pellogrino book that said she held her sons as tightly as she could when they jumped from the sinking ship but the suction or whatever pulled them from her grasp.

Cameron cribbed a lot of Titanic from A Night to Remember. I mean I guess that's how it really happened by historical accounts but after seeing the older, first film it reaygives you the sense he phoned in the story so he do his 33rd excursions down to play explorer.

A Night To Remember is based on Walter Lord's account, which includes a lot of detail Cameron omitted. The movie is free on YouTube (see link).

Yes, R505 I noticed that too. I read Walter Lord's book years ago, and have see the movie dozens of times. Leo even sort of resembled young Robert Wagner.

As mentioned here on Datalounge r505, more than once, the screenplay was the movie’s weakest link. Fortunately the cast was able to rise above the deficiencies of the script. Except for Billy Zane who acted like Snidely Whiplash.

I liked Billy Zane. His hammy entitled, arrogant POS bastard was perfect. Where I thought the movie went off the rails is when he grabbed his bodyguard's gun and started shooting and chasing Rose and Jack. Cameron took that subplot to an absurd level. I get it. Zane's character was obsessed with Rose, possessive and abusive. But the fucking ship was sinking.

The movie was on late at night the other day, and I saw the beginning again after many years... and the first thing that struck me was that Billy Zane looked like an off-duty drag queen, with his overplucked brows and heavy mascara.

And my second was that Kate Winslet was indeed a dish back in the day, but damn! That girl walked like a truck driver! No grace in her walk, and a girl in her social position would have been taught to walk gracefully, and punished until the lessons were learned.

The 1979 telefilm S.O.S. TITANIC had a great screenplay but it was done in by low rent special effects.

It suddenly turned into a James Bond movie, but I still preferred the action, however absurd, to the schmaltz.

R509 - crazy as it sounds, the first cut of the film extended the shooting much further than that. There's a long scene in which Lovejoy pursues Jack & Rose with a gun. It's utterly pointless, considering they're on the literal TITANIC in the early hours of 15 April. You don't need a gunman to put the characters in danger, FFS!

It's always been amazing to me that no one prevailed on Cameron to cut the entire pursuit of Jack and Rose by the Billy Zane character with a gun. I mean, that would be beyond idiotic EVEN IF the ship weren't seeking. Was the Billy Zane character REALLY going to shoot and kill someone on a ship at sea, with no means of escape?

At least there was no rape scene like in the terrible 1996 miniseries. Tim Curry’s character rapes a young Scandinavian girl-right before the ship strikes the iceberg. I’m sure that it was meant to be symbolic but it was lurid and cheap, and surprisingly explicit for a US network telefilm.

R515 Rose did anal in that sedan car.

[quote]At least there was no rape scene like in the terrible 1996 miniseries. Tim Curry’s character rapes a young Scandinavian girl-right before the ship strikes the iceberg. I’m sure that it was meant to be symbolic but it was lurid and cheap, and surprisingly explicit for a US network telefilm.

Yeah, that miniseries was better than the Cameron film in some ways but just as awful, if not worse, in others. Really, what kind of idiot screenwriter thinks the story of the Titanic needs any more drama grafted onto it?

r514 Cameron spoke about how much he loved Billy Zane, more than most of the other cast members. You can tell by how much screen time he got. There is really no better explanation of why that scene remained. His character added desperately needed dimension to the movie. I don't need restate how bad some of the dialogue and acting was.

Cameron being a visual nerd also used that state dining room scene with the clinking dishes and carts rolling out of control to make viewers feel the suspense and desperation of the sinking. That was brilliant.

I don’t understand why Cameron allowed Molly Brown get put in her place by that crew member. That never happened. IRL, Brown threatened to pitch him overboard and he left her alone after that.

Kathy BAtes was a much better Molly Brown than Debbie Reynolds.

Yes, Kathy Bates was excellent, she was perfect as the plain-spoken woman from humble origins. And IMHO she gave the best performance in the movie, for what that's worth.

I suspect that Cameron is a bit like George Lucas, just more interested in the technology of filmmaking than working with actors. I mean Cameron isn't as bad as Lucas, who is known as "The Worst Actor's Director Alive", but still. It may be more than coincidence that the best performance in the film is given by an experienced pro who doesn't need to lean on a director.

I felt Kathy's talents were wasted in this r521

This story would have made a great film and it’s not fiction!