She brings up some valid points, and I tend to agree with her in certain cases. This is a very complicated issue.
Megyn Kelly Explains Why She Will No Longer Use "Preferred Pronouns" as Trans Ideology Grows
by Anonymous | reply 70 | June 5, 2023 1:49 PM |
No, it’s not complicated.
It’s good manners to refer to folks as they prefer.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | June 2, 2023 10:48 PM |
Will she do this to people IRL if she happens to come across them. It would be delicious if Caitlin started a feud with her.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | June 2, 2023 10:53 PM |
Please 'splain, Lucy. When would you have to use a pronoun? Call people by their name.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | June 2, 2023 10:54 PM |
Well I will refer to her exclusively by the standard spelling of her name.
Fuck that super-precious "Megyn" horseshit. She should go by "Meghan" like all good white Christian girls.
And you're a horse's ass, OP.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | June 2, 2023 10:57 PM |
Cunt says what?
by Anonymous | reply 5 | June 2, 2023 10:58 PM |
^^ If you listen to Megyn Kelly's reasoning she brings up some valid points that go beyond pronouns. It's just a very small minority of transgendered women who compete in sports, so I am not going to reduce the discussion to only that issue. However, Lea Thompson, a transgendered woman who just a couple of years ago was a swimming competitor as a man ranking 462nd. Now she's blowing away the competition and beating every other fellow female swimmer--because Lea has a man's body that is overpowering the women who were born female.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | June 2, 2023 10:59 PM |
R2. Megyn Kelly said she avoid pronouns altogether when in the presence of trans people out of respect and not wanting to offend.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | June 2, 2023 11:00 PM |
My pronouns for "Megyn" are has-been and loser.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | June 2, 2023 11:18 PM |
So brave of her to announce this on her right-wing, culture war obsessed podcast.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | June 2, 2023 11:19 PM |
Who cares what this pig-faced idiot thinks?
by Anonymous | reply 11 | June 2, 2023 11:22 PM |
But will she wear a red AIDS ribbon?
by Anonymous | reply 12 | June 2, 2023 11:24 PM |
OP is obsessed with the T.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | June 2, 2023 11:26 PM |
[quote] It’s good manners to refer to folks as they prefer.
Bitch, I’m not referring to anyone as a xir. Get real.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | June 2, 2023 11:34 PM |
R1 And if someone demands on being addressed as "Royal Highness"? Forms of address mirror social reality. It goes both ways. You cannot just demand shit.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | June 2, 2023 11:43 PM |
She's a racist and a bigot
And OP is one of the anti-trans loons
by Anonymous | reply 16 | June 2, 2023 11:45 PM |
She’s such an insufferable cunt. Why make an announcement video as though we’re all desperate to know what she’s just decided.
No one gives a fuck, hun. You can’t even hold down a job.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | June 2, 2023 11:51 PM |
I won't refer to one singular person as "they."
"They" is plural.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | June 3, 2023 2:01 AM |
Same here, R18. It's beyond retarded to use they/them for one person, unless they have multiple personalities.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | June 3, 2023 2:09 AM |
Sorry, but agree wth her.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | June 3, 2023 2:10 AM |
Her preferred pronouns are evil/hag.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | June 3, 2023 2:12 AM |
Actually, it says she's done with "PERFERRED pronouns," which I keep reading in the voice of Edith Massey.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | June 3, 2023 2:43 AM |
[quote]Fuck that super-precious "Megyn" horseshit. She should go by "Meghan" like all good white Christian girls.
No. Then I couldn't call her Megwhine.
More to the point, she sounded supremely uncomfortable speaking in this video. Not like someone who uses her voice for a living. Stilted, as if reading something with which she was not familiar.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | June 3, 2023 2:55 AM |
It's simple. If you have a penis "He". Vagina "She" All the rest are bullshit, got it? And for you don't get it, we all feel pity for your ignorance.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | June 3, 2023 3:15 PM |
I don't disagree with what she said, but couldn't she have said it in a less robotic, reading from a teleprompter way? And the voice crack, c'mon girl.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | June 3, 2023 3:47 PM |
R18 "... and so if a doctor comes in and asks you to give them your personal address, will you do that?"
Say this sentence. You've said something like this many times. The "neutral Them" has been used like this for many, many decades without notice. Your anger and resistance is someone actually asks you to use a construction that you do use already. So your anger is personal, political and part of a cultural war.
Choose sides, I guess.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | June 3, 2023 3:54 PM |
Can someone inform us on what date the Pronoun Rules began?
by Anonymous | reply 28 | June 3, 2023 4:39 PM |
She never used Preferred Pronouns. She hates trans, blacks and liberals. As does OP.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | June 3, 2023 4:45 PM |
Conservatives are trolling the fuck out of DL lately. Fuckheads, we will NEVER listen to Megyn Kelly or any other Faux news bobble head past or present! Please MAKE A FUCKING NOTE OF IT!
by Anonymous | reply 30 | June 3, 2023 4:48 PM |
F&f OP
by Anonymous | reply 31 | June 3, 2023 4:53 PM |
Two me-- I'm sorry, people. Two people in my state were just put to death for not asking for someone's pronouns. My husband lost his job for misgendering a cat. It's really gotten out of hand. I'm glad Megyn Kelly is finally taking a stand. I really trust her opinions.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | June 3, 2023 4:56 PM |
I also have no intelligence and lack relevant information that is easily accessible! I enjoy rubber stamping other people's opinions! Mimicry brings me JOY!!!
by Anonymous | reply 33 | June 3, 2023 4:58 PM |
I always forget Megyn Kelly exists until I come to datalounge and people who apparently still listen to her podcast or whatever remind me. (Sadly)
by Anonymous | reply 34 | June 3, 2023 5:35 PM |
My last employer was big on preferred pronouns so I used them. My trans clients were teens who had been through so much that the last thing I would have wanted to do is hurt them. Most had been thrown out or mistreated by their parents.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | June 3, 2023 7:04 PM |
R27. The use of "they/them" in the context that you're saying is casual, colloquial and bad grammar. Also, it's not mandatory as is becoming the case. And not everyone uses bad grammar. Some people speak correctly.
The use of "they/them" for one person is dumber than shit.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | June 3, 2023 7:35 PM |
R36 = tightening the sphincter and trying too hard.
R36 = also says "there's four boxes on the table..." as a matter of course and never thinks of it as "bad grammar..."
Shakespeare's English and our English: English is a mutable, responsive language - grammatically, phonetically, connotatively... neologisms springing up like flowers in spring. That's why it's the language of science, business, and diplomacy. More humans speak English as a second language than speak it as a first language - English changes them and they change English. That's how it works.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | June 3, 2023 8:20 PM |
Could somebody remind me why I should give a shit about what Megyn Kelly (of all people) says? Remind me, OP.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | June 3, 2023 8:22 PM |
I did not read her reasons.
I do think that it can be oppressive to go around the room and ask each person to give their name and pronouns. Easy for me, I've always been he/him.
But if you are a person in transition or keeping your options open about how you feel that day, or just private, you may not want to be compelled to share this information. Or someone who has transitioned and just wants to use their gender without explanation, it seems intrusive to me. If you want to post it on your Zoom chiclet, I don't care, but asking people to do it seems like it might make many uncomfortable.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | June 3, 2023 8:25 PM |
Fuck that rancid twat.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | June 3, 2023 8:29 PM |
She's right.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | June 3, 2023 8:31 PM |
[quote]No, it’s not complicated. It’s good manners to refer to folks as they prefer.
R1, I appreciate the kindness of your response. I actually didn’t know this until last year, but “preferred pronouns” can actually be insulting to someone. I’ve used that expression, and I see it all the time still in reports that are supportive of trans people. But, it’s better to just say “pronouns”. Saying preferred pronouns implies that somebody may use he/him pronouns, but it’s OK if you use she/her. But it isn’t OK. Once somebody decides what their pronouns are, they are not preferred. They are their pronouns. They are the only pronouns that they want people to use.
Just a friendly piece of information to pass along.
The people who will intentionally misgender someone and use the wrong pronouns aren’t gonna care, but those of us that do should just say “pronouns”.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | June 3, 2023 8:42 PM |
[quote]I won't refer to one singular person as "they." "They" is plural.
It’s also neutral. If you didn’t know if someone was a man or a woman, and you had to ask a question about them, what pronoun would you use?
Would you say “what time is he or she getting here“ or would you say “what time are they getting here“?
I mean, obviously, you could ask if they were a man or woman first, but if you didn’t, what would you say?
by Anonymous | reply 43 | June 3, 2023 8:48 PM |
Why is she even bother bringing it up and making a statement? Did she start getting hate mail about the topic and started losing viewers/listeners? I'm not familiar with the financials of podcasts going, but I recall reading that compensation is based on per view/listen basis.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | June 3, 2023 8:58 PM |
Megan Kelly? What kind of self-respecting gay man gives a flying fuck what that loser Nazi bitch says about anything ever?
by Anonymous | reply 45 | June 3, 2023 9:00 PM |
[quote]It's beyond retarded to use they/them for one person, unless they have multiple personalities.
It's okay in the case of Sam Smith, because they is the size of two people.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | June 3, 2023 9:13 PM |
I hope people start referring to Megyn as he/ him. I think Megyn Kelly is VERY MASCULINE so that is how I view him, and those are the pronouns I will use for him.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | June 3, 2023 9:25 PM |
Megyn has a point so my preferred pronoun for her is “cunt”
by Anonymous | reply 48 | June 3, 2023 9:30 PM |
R43. He or she. I don't call someone 'they.' And 'they' is not neutral. It's plural.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | June 3, 2023 9:30 PM |
The pronoun nonsense also hurts gay people! Gay males and females are being sacrificed for this TQNB etc crap
by Anonymous | reply 50 | June 3, 2023 9:36 PM |
[quote]Gay males and females are being sacrificed
How, specifically, r50? I really, really need to know how I'm being sacrificed.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | June 3, 2023 9:44 PM |
R35 why does a Trans need a special pronoun? When he becomes a woman, he's a "She" and when she becomes a man, she's a "He."
by Anonymous | reply 52 | June 3, 2023 11:22 PM |
Exactly, R52. The ‘preferred pronouns’ gambit is one conceived by and enforced for the benefit of narcissistic or unwell or juvenile (or some combination of the above) people who concoct neo-pronouns or want people to use both ‘he’ and ‘they’ or ‘she’ and ‘they’ or ‘he/she/they’.
A man who ‘transitions’ to woman will obviously want people to use female pronouns for him.
No, the ‘What are your pronouns?’ question is to placate narcissistic nutball nonbinaries. Who are the least deserving of respect of all the iterations of trans.
If any of you think ‘non-binary’ is a legitimate, coherent identity, I DARE YOU to explain it and define it in a way so that it excludes people who are merely gender nonconforming or androgynous. You can’t.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | June 3, 2023 11:29 PM |
Does Jazz Jennings use pronouns? Probably not, she is struggling with depression the result of her mother convincing Jared to change his sex. Jeanette Blochinsky should've be arrested for child abuse.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | June 3, 2023 11:31 PM |
This anti-Trans troll babbling is so weird: where did you people come from? Are you really just Right Wing AI-generated bots? I fear so. In short, you are completely incoherent and can't be talked to in any serious way. Just like Christian nativists or MAGA hoodlums.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | June 4, 2023 3:29 PM |
[quote][R43]. He or she. I don't call someone 'they.' And 'they' is not neutral. It's plural.
Oh lord. 🙄 You are very, very wrong.
“The Oxford English Dictionary traces singular they back to 1375, where it appears in the medieval romance William and the Werewolf”
Here’s an entire history of the use of they as a singular pronoun. Enjoy.
Did you know that “you” also comes in both singular and plural flavors?
Or do you reject that and think that “you” is only singular and if you are talking to more than one person say things like “Yous are wrong! They is a plural pronoun only!”
by Anonymous | reply 56 | June 4, 2023 5:15 PM |
[bold]Whenever I hear a person say “They” to refer to one person, I know they’re an idiot![/bold]
^I’ve actually seen people post sentences like this HERE, insisting that “they” can’t be a singular pronoun. It’s really funny when they do it. When they use it as a singular pronoun in a sentence denying that it can be used that way.
Sadly, no matter how many times you try to point out to them that they just did it, they never seem to understand.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | June 4, 2023 5:26 PM |
"Thou" used to be familiar second person singular - thou art - like the Spanish "tu".... and "you" was formal second person singular - like the Spanish Ud.
"Thou art" is now only "you are".... which, pay attention now, exactly the same as the PLURAL you are. No distinguishing of singular and plural - just context.
Language changes. Everything changes. It's out of your hands nor is in any way affected by your ideologies.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | June 4, 2023 5:31 PM |
No ONE is a 'they.'
by Anonymous | reply 59 | June 4, 2023 8:59 PM |
I have heard that the "they" brigade justifies "they" because Shakespeare once used "they." See!! it's been going on for centuries!
by Anonymous | reply 60 | June 4, 2023 9:02 PM |
Even Demi Lovato gave up "they."
by Anonymous | reply 61 | June 4, 2023 9:03 PM |
The continued idiocy from our weekend trolls/sock puppet's continues to amaze. Stay pressed, cunts.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | June 4, 2023 9:06 PM |
^^ In terms of gender identification, "they" is still plural. Justify it any way you want
by Anonymous | reply 63 | June 4, 2023 9:29 PM |
"you are"
Is that singular or plural?
by Anonymous | reply 64 | June 4, 2023 11:59 PM |
[quote]No ONE is a 'they.'
R59, What are they then?
by Anonymous | reply 65 | June 5, 2023 4:09 AM |
[quote]"you are"
[quote]Is that singular or plural?
It can be both. You is a word that was originally only plural, but the singular version was dropped from the language and now we use you as both a plural and a singular pronoun. (I don’t think anyone here can argue that they don’t.) But if you use it in the singular or plural form, you would use “are”.
You is also an interesting word, because it does not have a gender. It is neutral. So we have neutral pronouns. And if anyone doesn’t’ believe me, try to find a variation for you that is different for men and women.
So, there goes the argument that we do not have neutral pronouns in English. And denying that the singular “they” can be neutral is incorrect.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | June 5, 2023 4:20 AM |
[quote] No ONE is a 'they.' What are they then?
R65. "They" are "he or she."
by Anonymous | reply 67 | June 5, 2023 5:15 AM |
R67, you just used “they” as a singular pronoun to refer to “he or she”. Explain how are you didn’t please.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | June 5, 2023 1:15 PM |
Learn what “scare quotes” are and how they’re used, R68.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | June 5, 2023 1:47 PM |
R56 Thank you! I don't really understand the whole they/them pronoun thing, but it always annoys me when people confidently state that the word "they" can never be singular. Even though they must have used it in that way many times (assuming they're a native English speaker).
It sounds so clumsy to say "he or she" or "his or hers" when you're talking about someone of undetermined gender - for example, most people wouldn't say "Each person must wash his or her hands", they'd naturally say "Each person must wash their hands".
by Anonymous | reply 70 | June 5, 2023 1:49 PM |