Elliot Page reflects on his first time in a gay bar in his new book Pageboy

So cute as a chick, so appalling as a sexless-looking anemic dyke. Does he expect to have a career? Who's going to hire him except Ryan Murphy

He seems very happy with his new life. Good for him.

[quote] So cute as a chick, so appalling as a sexless-looking anemic dyke

Yes. Ellen will never be happy no matter how she decides to dress today. It's a shame really.

It looks like it's going to cry. Again.

It's still a she.

If he's into women, what's he doing at gay bars?

Why a gay bar, is she suddenly straight?

She looks like a burn victim.

[quote] Why a gay bar, is she suddenly straight?

Lesbian Ellen had been married to a woman and they divorced when Elliot appeared. Last I heard Ellen was with another tranny. Maybe that got boring.

The crazy doses of testosterone that these lesbians take when they "transition" affect their sex drive and they often end up feeling attracted to men for the first time in their lives. Maybe that's why she was in a gay bar.

Plus lots of "queer" women fetishise male homosexuality (e.g. the Jack Grealish troll on this website).

R9 Two Lesbians who hated their vaginas. It really is sad. Poor Ellen. This whole "journey" seems like a cry for attention. And she still looks like a girl.

He's exhausting. His emotiveness makes him seem perms female

HERE. And you know she looks at this photo and thinks she looks soooooo much like a straight dude in a baseball cap. Oh, honey....

With Mae and Elliot a couple we just need Emma Corrin and that weird Last of Us they/them to hook up,

He looked awkward af as a girl, like she wanted to crawl out of her skin. So I am not surprised he has gender dysphoria.

So long as he transitioned to make himself feel good and not to feel external gratification from the public, then he should be happy.

But if his happiness is conducting upon people looking at him and telling him he looks like a man, then he will have problems. Because he looks like a tiny, skinny, butch lady. Like a geography teacher.

"Because he looks like a tiny, skinny, butch lady. "

Sadly true, and I hope he spent lots of time with a tiny, skinny adult man, and saw how a tiny, skinny adult man gets treated in modern society and the male hierarchy.

The article tells the story of (then, Ellen) being in a gay bar before Juno came out, kissing a woman.

I'm not sure if Elliot now is into women, the article doesn't say. I think it's harder now for Elliot to find a lesbian woman who wants to date a trans man but I guess there's a pot for every lid. (?)

R10, why would crazy doses of testosterone make a woman like men instead of other women. Lesbianism has often been associated with higher levels of testosterone. So why would more testosterone turn you into a gay man?

From wikipedia about Mae Martin, Elliott's partner:

"Martin describes childhood obsessions with Bette Midler, The Kids in the Hall, Pee-wee Herman and the Rocky Horror Show, which they now point to as signs of an addictive personality. At 11 years old, Martin was taken to a comedy club and fell in love with stand-up. Martin and two friends became known as "the Groupies" for going to see Family Circus Maximus (a play from The Second City improv troupe) 160 times in a year. At age 14, Martin started drinking alcohol, doing cocaine, and selling drugs. At 15, Martin dropped out of school to work full-time at the Second City comedy club. At 16, their parents kicked them out of the house, and they stayed with comedian friends, who were in their 20s and 30s. Abusive relationships were normalised in the night-time scene: Martin says that "If you put a teenage girl in any industry like that, there's going to be people taking advantage." Martin eventually went to rehabilitation. Martin came out publicly as non-binary in 2021. Martin uses they/them pronouns. They have dated both men and women, stating in April 2021 that they are bisexual after previously resisting labelling their sexuality. In June 2021, Martin described themself as "a queer person". Martin shared that they had top surgery in late 2021."

They all seem to have unresolved mental health issues and they think becoming trans will solve everything. They don't want to be labeled but then LABEL themselves as non-binary, trans, queer, bisexual etc. Makes no sense. And the media is pushing this insanity.

I don’t like it when lesbians cross over.

10 years from now she’ll be dead.

Just hope he's happy or at least more at peace with himself.

I daren’t play any footage because I can’t bear the way the T injections create that soulless, munchkin-robot voice in women. It’s like a sick joke, specialists telling them that their voices will break “just like men’s”. They should be ashamed of selling such a lie.

Yes, dear. Of course you're a boy.

Wow, those are Markle-quality excerpts.

I had to.

Hormones really seem to fuck up a person's emotional state.

He's got the mood swings of a menopausal Faye Dunaway, only without the talent.

[quote]At age 14, Martin started drinking alcohol, doing cocaine, and selling drugs. At 15, Martin dropped out of school to work full-time at the Second City comedy club. At 16, their parents kicked them out of the house,

And then:

[quote]Martin says that "If you put a teenage girl in any industry like that, there's going to be people taking advantage."

Gosh, it seems like you put yourself in that industry! What'd you do that for?

Can you imagine domestic life with these two? The drama over just doing the dishes must be at Shakespearian levels.

"When I wanted to get my start as an actress, I asked my grandfather for advice. He was an attorney for studio executives and Hollywood investors, and knew a few people. He said 'It's a filthy business. You stay out of it!' But I went in anyway, and he gave me money for acting lessons!"

Bizarre woman pretends to be a man. That is all I see here.

The pic at R9 looks like the tranny version of half pint and Nellie Oleson

R18, it may seem bizarre but I remember seeing this trend mentioned repeatedly when I was more interested in these matters. I think the idea is that these astronomical doses of "T" make you so interested in sex that you find whole new populations sexually appealing.

I am also R10, by the way - I was responding to r18's request for clarification.

Ellen got herself a new Pity Job from ABC. I put it in my "things to NOT watch" list.

The thing about Ellen is she seems miserable to me. She TRANSITIONED. If that was the solution why does she talk about her "path" like someone who wants to throw herself in front of a bus? All of this angst and misery and unhappiness STILL in your life? I thought your transition was your triumph but you act so devoid of any joy from it. And next week she is going to rehash it all over again for an ABC paycheck?. No thank you.

"He" exudes "joy"

He’s achieved Hepburn gamin levels of masculinity.

Bravo!

This saddens me. If he really feels like this is what he had to do to be happy, then I’m happy for him, I suppose. But Ellen Page was so attractive and normal looking compared to this, and there’s a part of me that really has to ask “WHY!?”

I wish we had Ellen back

[quote] Last I heard Ellen was with another attention whore with NPD.

Fixed that for you.

Why on earth would this interest anyone?

Look at all the TRANS JOY(tm) radiating in OP's link!

Remember when being a Lesbian was supposed to solve Elllens problems? And when that didn't work she decided she wanted to be a boy? What's next?

^ She looks better as a woman.

Does she think she passes as a male?

The only work she has coming up is voice work. Cause who wants to look at that miserable mug.

I'm not Jazz Jennings, but even I feel sorry for her.

When the Juno reunion happened at the Oscars, 5’8 Jennifer Garner and 5’10 JK Simmons looked like redwoods standing between Elliot. That voice was like nails on a chalkboard and the tux was made for an 4th-6th grade boy.

Damn, I don't want to hear her new trans voice (I haven't so far). She was so damn spunky and adorable

The tailored little tux made him look like a walking ventriloquist dummy.

[quote]The only work she has coming up is voice work.

Unless her voice has been further changed by all the testosterone she's taken since this video was taken (a year ago), I don't think so.

He's obviously so much happier than he was before. I'm glad he found the courage to move forward with what he wanted in his life. He seems to have found a relationship with another Trans that's working out.

You bitter bitches can nit-pick away, whine and complain all you like. Elliot is living his life the way he chooses. Too bad he doesn't give a fuck what you think.

I don't get why Page couldn't wear a suit or tux before transition. That's what bothers me about trans as a trend -- there's an underlying regression going on, where old school sexism just has new wrapping paper over it. Clothing is just clothing, especially for women where they have been wearing pants for decades now. Page was hot in Hollywood for awhile; don't tell me they couldn't wear a suit to events. That's another thing I don't get with certain trans people, that show no indication they were trans beforehand -- they rarely gender bend fashion wise, with no hint at feeling like the opposite sex, but suddenly they go to the extreme opposite. As if there's only full makeup, dresses, long hair, etc., Or wearing a tux, with short hair. FFS, the 80s and 90s were more gender bending friendly than now a days.

Of course the 80's and 90's were less rigidly judgmental and extremist than now.

We now have political propagandists exploiting Trans and TERFs for their own advantage. They ramp up the hate and ugliness, they narrow people's minds. They're here on the DL and they ramp that shit up here too.

Nasty, ugly people.

R10, I've seen this happen with transwomen too. There's a gay man on youtube who called himself Gigi Gorgeous and then transitioned and then married a woman. From wikipedia "Gigi who had previously identified as a gay man and then later bisexual, came out as a lesbian in a Youtube video on September 14th 2016. He married a woman named Nats Getty who used to identify as a lesbian but then came out as transgender non-binary in January 2021.

Chris Crocker another famous youtuber gay man became Cara Cunningham, a transwoman but I don't know if she dates men or women now. I know that many years ago before transitioning, Chris briefly identified as bisexual when he started dressing like woman.

I don't think it's just the hormones they take. It's all very complicated in their minds.

r52: Page almost never looks relaxed and happy. Always glum.

r53: Gender non-conformity was celebrated then. Now it's viewed as nascent transdom.

Is that Elliot Page or Paul Bunyan? He's turned into such a big burly manly man!

;-)

E is for egomaniac L is for lesbian, just in case you forgot that such people exist L is also for lopped-off tits E is for the "euphoria" she unconvincingly claims to feel N is for Never: She Will Never Be A Man

[quote]Elliot is living his life the way he chooses. Too bad he doesn't give a fuck what you think.

To me, the book, the interviews, the hour-long ABC special all suggest otherwise. Elliot seems desperate for public attention.

Can I point out once again that in everything he does, Elliot is promoting the idea that gays and lesbians can only truly be happy if they transition to the other sex, and the implications of this are pretty horrifying, and as far as I can tell he doesn't care.

Look at the face on this thing. Always a vortex of the deepest sadness that wants to draw anything into its funnel.

There's not the tiniest hint of happiness in that raw, almost sobbing face. And yet "he" thinks he has a positive message to present, and present, and present age.

Does anyone in their heart of hearts believe this to be a man? A MAN.

What the fuck are you babbling about, R59?

Elliot is not "promoting the idea that gays and lesbians can only truly be happy if they transition to the other sex" at all. What an outlandish and ridiculous notion. I know of no Trans people who have ever "promoted" such a thing. Why are you lying to us? Why do you pretend that's what Elliot or anyone else is doing? Are you that weak and easily led by the conversations of others?

He's simply talking about the truth of his own life. Not yours, not mine, not anybody else's, this is simply his own life. He's allowed to talk about it, write about it, do whatever he wants with it. He's obviously happy and very pleased with the changes he has made to his own body and in his own life. He's not forcing anyone else to do anything.

TERFs are a lot like White Supremacists. You're bizarre and pathetic in your irrational hatred of people. It makes no sense to anyone else. Sensible people are disgusted by you but there's nothing we can say that will get through your wall of bigotry and hate. Obviously bigots are crazy but they just keep spewing insane nonsense and are impervious to better, more rational information. There's no hope and no help for them.

Making sure that they are socially unacceptable and universally mocked are probably the best ways to handle the TERFbigots. We have to ensure that law enforcement watches them closely before they murder more Trans people. Other than that ruthless social ostracism and mocking humiliation are the way to go.

Who murdered trans people? Besides tricks of theirs and their boyfriends? Not I!

Oh goody, the fucking TERF accuser has infected yet another thread. This is why we can't have rational discussions. Because of this lunatic and its ilk.

This woman was killed by her boyfriend, of course, but they play it like it was some kind of anti trans murder. Nope, just a man in a dress killing his gf like so many men do.

"Rational discussion" you say?

R64 obviously hasn't read this and other TERF threads. The vile bigotry and insane hatred you have for Trans people is all over your insane threads.

MURIEL! Ban these fucking bigots and their insane ranting threads. We don't want them here.

DROP THE TERFs.

Put the lunatic at R66 on ignore and you'll see how much dogshit it spews on an HOURLY basis. YOU are the problem, dear. You're worse than most trannies.

Drop the TERFs.

Take your meds r62 and go for a walk

Drop the TERFs.

Drop the DILATORS!!!

Drop the TERFs.

Drop the AUTOGYNOPHILES.

Drop the TERFs.

Yay TERFS 💜

I seriously don't get the tux thing and "trans joy" (eyeroll).

Annie Lennox, Grace Jones, Katharine Hepburn, Marlene Dietrich and many more wore what is considered "men's" clothing and were praised for their style.

Ellen had already announced she was lesbian; had she showed up at an event in a suit no one would have cared.

[quote] had she showed up at an event in a suit no one would have cared.

Generally women can wear a tux better than most men

He really did deserve his Best Actress nomination for her performance in Juno.

Butchering yourself to “be happy.” Yes, let’s celebrate that. She’s now a lifelong customer of the medical establishment.

Drop the PLEASANT PEANUT CLITS!

"Elliot is not 'promoting the idea that gays and lesbians can only truly be happy if they transition to the other sex' at all. What an outlandish and ridiculous notion. I know of no Trans people who have ever 'promoted' such a thing."

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What a bunch of sickos obsessing how a stranger life their life. If she's happy, great. If not, good luck to him!

Did you forget where you are R82?

Welcome to the internet r82 enjoy your visit

R10 A lot of bi, even straight, women transition

Ya, e know the Internet if full of trolls and sickos. Prayers for those lost and confused over someone's else's life.

R86 Ma'am, this is a Wendys.

[quote]What a bunch of sickos obsessing how a stranger life their life.

Elliot actively wants people to buy a book that's all about him and listen to him talk about himself for an hour, which would be a lot more obsessive than what I see on DL.

Elliot is free to live his truth. I am free to ignore Elliot. You are free to make fun of Elliot. Some of you are free to scold the people who make fun of Elliot.

We are all living our truths. No problem.

R18, the hormones make them crave sexual satisfaction. Fingering and scissoring just won't cut it anymore Only a hard, throbbing dick can.

Did a big-looking dude scare him into the bar by saying, "Hey, I'm going to gay-bash you!"?

I'm glad he's happier as a man. I am sure this has severely limited the acting work he can do, so I'm glad he's happy.

I have no interest in reading his book.

R92 He has no work coming up, apart from voice work.

[quote]had she showed up at an event in a suit no one would have cared.

And therein lies the problem.

She always has such a sunny disposition! Can’t wait to read her book - Who Hacked Me Tits Off.

God the transphobes on DL are tedious, obsessing about someone else’s body parts and relationships. Why don’t you all just move to Florida and suck Ron DeSantis’s dick until he puts you in the gulag.

Elliott and Mae are a cute couple, I can see why they’d connect. Good for them. Haters gonna hate.

I can shit and piss out of one orifice now!

R87, give it a rest. You post that same joke recycled from reddit in almost every thread.

R95 I feel like if I were a celebrity who went trans, I'd write a book with exactly that sort of vulgar, self-deprecating humor. Some things in life you just have to laugh at, and this is one of them.

But actors rarely laugh at themselves, and the trans experience seems to sap people of all joy, lightness, and vitality. Their liberation is transformative, but always seems to make them feel so bitchy and victimized. Lighten up, I say.

Elliot is gearing up for an "enormous wave of hatred" from promoting his book. Always the victim. Maybe the multimillion dollar book contract will make him feel better. Who needs acting jobs?

She almost has a cute Sal Mineo vibe at R100.

Until you see her frankentitty scars.

R96 There is only 1 person in this world obsessed enough with Elliot/Ellen's body parts to the point of undergoing intense hormonal and surgical procedures to drastically modify said body parts. Can you guess the name of this person?

Whether female or male, this seems like an unhappy, troubled person with a lot of sadness. Changing gender does not fix one’s emotional problems. In fact, it probably adds a whole lot of new ones. The sooner people realise that the better.

Page's book has a whole chapter about how, years ago, some A-lister offered/threatened to fuck Ellen to prove she wasn't really a lesbian.

Page doesn't name this person, so it's anyone's guess if it even happened at all. I'd wager it's all bullshit.

Who’s pounding that tranny gash?

Mae Martin's bony knuckles for now, R106, but testosterone will cause the area to atrophy so they may have to stop that activity. Ellen may have had a skin burrito installed by the time that process begins, of course.

Well I guess that A-lister was right R105.

R90, they can use dildos. Why expose yourself to slimy dicks and their diseases?

Drop the TERFs.

The extracts from her book mentioned here at least suggest the Ellen still sees herself as a gay woman attracted to other women.

Drop the lollipop guild lady manlets!

R111, He no longer gets to call himself a gay woman/lesbian after what he did. He wanted to be trans and change his name to Elliot, then he's no longer a woman. He's trans. He can't have it both ways.

R113, he can have it any way he wants it and what's that to you? Whatever his sexual interests, they don't include you.

She fucked her body up, r114, so I doubt she's going to be getting much pussy, although she still wants it.

Whatever, R115, he still doesn't want you and he's never going to want you so it's none of your fucking business who he's fucking.

She just wrote a book about her personal issues r116, so I guess she does want to make her sexuality everyone's business.

I doubt she's fucking anyone.

She looks raw and weepy, like she’s lost a skin layer and she’s exposed to our critical gaze. She must hurt. Why doesn’t she disappear and come back when she’s worked things out?

R118 - When I saw the picture, I had two thoughts "Why would he film this right after a chemical peel?" and "Chemical peels aren't very masculine."

[QUOTE]Does she think she passes as a male?

At least she's trying, unlike a lot of MTFs. I suspect she has insecurities about it.

The thing that puzzles me about FTMs is how all these procedures affect sexual sensation. Like many women, I can't climax unless there's a good amount of nipple play. A mastectomy severs the nipple's nerve connections and leaves, in effect, a cosmetic nipple. Testosterone will enlarge the clitoris and contributes to sensation down below, but "top surgery?" That eliminates one one mode of erotic sensation.

Oh, and the burrito surgery? Shudder. I read that that surgery has very mixed results. so potentially an FTM could be left without any sexual sensation. Maybe I'm misremembering?

[quote]Shudder. I read that that surgery has very mixed results. so potentially an FTM could be left without any sexual sensation. Maybe I'm misremembering?

Sometimes it just falls off.

R119, testosterone makes them hornier. Trust me.

Yeah but it doesn't give then their nerves back.

Hormones can fuck up the skin, but a lot of celebrities look like utter shit when they film themselves without makeup.

Kathy Griffin turns into Mama June if you catch her without her face on.

Has Ellen been taking testosterone? The best resemblance to a male that she can hope for is to a pre-pubescant boy.

All was calm there, deep in the woods of Nova Scotia, but Elliot Page could not find peace.

He’d withdrawn to a remote cabin hoping it would serve as a balm. He and his wife had separated, and he’d given up his apartment in New York City. Then a friend offered up their sparsely furnished retreat in the Canadian forest. It was 2020, the height of the pandemic. The border was shut, but he was a citizen, born in Halifax. So he drove.

It was an extraordinary place, the cabin. Down a dirt road familiar only to wildlife. Pears and apples from an abandoned orchard littered the grounds. But alone in the stillness, Page started to crack. All of the self-hatred he’d been pushing down for years — the discomfort he felt in his body, the anger toward those who’d told him to repress his identity — spilled out.

One night, he tried to knock himself out. Took his knuckles to his face and pounded over and over until bruises formed. For days after, he sat in a lawn chair on the porch, ashamed, his face sore. And then he heard a voice.

“You don’t have to feel this way.”

It was a small voice, barely discernible. But it kept echoing in his head. A way out.

“It was as if something in my brain turned around,” recalls Page, now 36. “The agonizing voice saying, ‘No, you’re not,’ ‘No, you can’t’ just switched and became very gentle and loving. ‘Oh, maybe I’m trans. Why don’t I explore that?’”

Within weeks, he’d scheduled a Zoom consultation with a doctor to discuss top surgery. The procedure was scheduled for November. A month later, he announced to fans on Instagram, who have known him since the release of “Juno” 13 years prior, that his name was Elliot.

And when she cut off her breasts, the voices in her head quieted down and all was well

Hearing voices from nowhere and attempts at self harm. In more sensible times that would have resulted in an involuntary commitment to a mental institution. And hopefully treatment that would being her back to reality.

Btu instead she suffers irreversible Josef Mengele level experimentation

Here's the TL;Dr summary of my post at r126:

He had a relationship breakup and was suffering from emotional upheaval. He went to the woods and punched himself in the face over and over again; then he heard a (small) voice in his head.

"Oh, maybe I'm trans," he thought. "Why don't I explore that?" Then he had a zoom consultation and decided to have his breasts removed. Now, he's "Elliot."

And, don't any of you try to silence his voice! They deserve to be heard.

He'll never have a real pene and balls. Shame. He could be a cute real boy.

[quote]Like many women, I can't climax unless there's a good amount of nipple play.

Speak for yourself, sister.

She is speaking for herself, r131. She didn't claim to speak for all females. Or are you suggesting getting one's tits cut off is no big deal?

But she wasn't speaking for herself, R132, she literally said- LIKE MANY WOMEN....

She was speaking for herself ("I") and simply pointed out that many other women feel the same way. She didn't claim that's how all women are or must be. Why take such offence at such an anodyne comment anyway?

[quote] It looks like it's going to cry.

Looking at Op's picture it is true. She seems on the verge of tears. Sharing her 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑡ℎ appears to be crushing her soul

R113, Surprisingly, some FTMs still acknowledge they’re lesbians even after transition, but it seems to really anger the straight transvestites a lot. Hetero ftms and mtfs are always having meltdowns at lesbian ftms for calling themselves lesbian. I think they should still be able to call themselves it if it pisses off the straight larpers, at least they have one foot in reality.

The whole “testosterone changed my sexuality” thing seems rather dubious. If that were the case, what about gay men who were forced to take testosterone as part of conversion therapy but never turned straight? When straight men take testosterone shots, do they suddenly start finding other men attractive?

And what about all the male and female heterosexual autogynophiles larping as lesbian/gay who are taking hormones? They still prefer the opposite sex even though they pretend to be gay.

R55, Chris Crocker has been an insecure mess from day one, and his recent trans identity is just another manifestation of that. Since trans people lie so much about their gender history, it’s not that far of a stretch to think that they would also lie about their sexual orientation as well.

So is this her career now ? it better be,because who would want to work with such a neurotic mess? She looks like a lesbian,not a man.She will always look like a lesbian and not a man.

Can we please stop talking about these psychologically damaged people? So such of seeing her face and all the other ones...

So sick, not such...

And all men would be gay, r137, since testosterone apparently triggers attraction to men.

R137 Wait, Elliot said testosterone changed their sexuality? Elliott is into men now???

Page has a book? How many people can possibly be interested in this trainwreck?

[quote] Page has a book? How many people can possibly be interested in this trainwreck?

Every library in America will buy a copy so the little kids coming to see the tranny shows can borrow and be inspired

Omg

I hope for her sake she doesn’t go through with “bottom surgery.”

No r143, Elliot hasn't said she's into men. She's still into women and still a lesbian.

[quote] She's still into women and still a lesbian.

So now she thinks of herself as a straight guy

R149, I suspect she probably thinks of herself as "queer".

Armchair anthropologist of the demi-monde, I suspect Elliot Page has Peter Pan Syndrome as much as gender dysphoria. I think a minority of transexuals have this syndrome as well. So Elliot doesn't want to just be a man, he wants to be a college age dude. Forever. In this way, everything is still possible and tentative and an exploration of..... blah blah blah. No decisions are final. A journey.

Yes, that's the thing about a lot of the transmen. They think they're going to look eternally like a cool 22-year-old dude (not that they look anything like a cool 22-year-old dude). It never occurs to them to imagine what a 40-year-old dude, a 50-year-old dude, a 70-year-old dude looks like and if that's what they want to be.

Indeed, R152. Hence why the book is called PageBOY.