Why majority of gay pornstars are bisexual and not gay?
And I am talking already way before this stupid woke trend of fucking mtf, doing bi and straight porn even when you claim to be gay etc. Like in 2010-2018 period majority of guys in porn describe themselves as bi which should be quite obvious because enjoyed gay sex way to much to act[like anyone would expect porn "actors" can actually act plus since sexuality is pretty much a spectrum most of those guys will fall somewhere between 2 and 4 on Kinsey Scale.
What I find iritating that we assume that every masculine guy we see in porn must be [literally] straight(hahah) or at best bi just because he is masc behaving and looking [just your typical muscular ripped WHITE midwest trashy tattoed guy]. Like doesn't that show self-loathing of some [older gays] like all gay men must be by definition feminine or/and ugly?
|by Anonymous||reply 232||May 25, 2023 5:22 PM
Or as Zeb atlas when interviewed would always say "I hate labels, just call me sexually fluid"...
|by Anonymous||reply 1||May 21, 2023 2:28 PM
I think you've had enough, OP. Time for bed.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||May 21, 2023 2:31 PM
But Zeb Atlas was so fugly r1 Plus sexually fluid= bi but afraid to say it.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||May 21, 2023 2:43 PM
I'll take "Signs You're Watching Too Much Porn" for $200, Alex!
|by Anonymous||reply 4||May 21, 2023 2:44 PM
They're gay but say they are bi because they think it makes them more desirable OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||May 21, 2023 2:49 PM
I’m a photographer / videographer for porn stars.
I’ve said this before. There are straight women who make out with women for attention, there are straight women who only do lesbian porn.
We know lesbian porn is 95% fake and gay for pay but when it’s men doing it, it’s this big controversy and heated topic.
Look, if less than 10% of the US is LGBT, then like 5% of the US are gay men. Then in that 5%, who is good looking and has a porn aesthetic from that group and then who is wiling to do gay porn. It’s a SMALL pool.
And gay men are more prudish than you think. I know a gay porn star who left a great job to be a porn star but a lot of gay porn stars are straight guys who were down on their luck and needed money.
Most of the men I work with are construction workers. All muscle, no brains and they would rather fuck men than do 12 hours in 90 degree weather doing construction and get an income that matches construction.
And I’ll tell you this filming straight guys doing it. It’s not that sexy. 2 hours of farting contests and goofing around cut down into 15 minutes of sex. If any of you were on set with gay for pay, you’d understand how easy it works. Some of these guys are great friends with each other too.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||May 21, 2023 3:06 PM
I don’t care about a porn performers sexual orientation.
I don’t care if the off set they are celibate or asexual.
In fact, I would come closer to caring about their politics than their sexual orientation.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||May 21, 2023 3:21 PM
I knew a gay porn photographer who said the same too. Straight guys from trashy european eastern countries, drugged out of their minds, needing cash for their family, the atmosphere on set is anything but sexy, even he admitted that it was creepy and gloomy. Some of them have part or their sphincter removed surgically to make the butt sex easier. Just desperation and drugs.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||May 21, 2023 3:27 PM
Sexually fluid = Into water sports
|by Anonymous||reply 9||May 21, 2023 3:29 PM
R8 your post so incredibly stupid I’m actually embarrassed for you.
If they can’t afford drugs without doing porn then they can’t afford to pay for a surgical procedure, which I doubt exists anywhere except your childish brain.
Next week, I’m going to have a surgery to remove all of my joints and muscles
|by Anonymous||reply 10||May 21, 2023 3:32 PM
Sexually fluid means straight but willing to use Viagra.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||May 21, 2023 3:53 PM
Just lol at r6 First of all want it or not but it majority of female pornstars are bisexual; according to 2012 survey 67.1% were bi and 32.9% were straight, assuming not all females perform GG its safe to assume 70-80% of lesbian porn stars are more or less BI not straight lol. G4P girls would be minority...obviously. Yes its true 7.1% IDENTIFY as LGBT but that number is much lowered by older generations; among gen Z (which majority of gay pornstars will be) 20.8% identify as LGBT.... other study found that only 53% of gen Z were exclusively attracted to opposite gender. So lol at using % to justify that delusion.
You obviously don't know bi guys... Most of them will try to appear as masculine and broish as possible, fuck and date tons of girls etc. And The only thing that distinguish them from straight guys is dick in their ass and mouth and male nudes.... So obviously most of those pornstars are bi as they enjoy the fuck and hook up with guys.
Can I ask for which company you work?
|by Anonymous||reply 12||May 21, 2023 4:11 PM
They had to remove sphincter to have anal sex? I thought all the company could fund was frontal lobe removal which would explain their twitter rants.
What a sacrifice for a STRAIGHT guy; just for 500-1000$ to give up their ability to hold fecalmatter.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||May 21, 2023 4:16 PM
There are far more criminal and criminal adjacent (construction workers without bank accounts as mentioned) bis and straights than there are gays.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||May 21, 2023 4:17 PM
Why majority of weekend thread are mangled syntax? And I am talking already way before Boris trolls wokity woke woke.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||May 21, 2023 4:26 PM
I was a photographer for Nextdoorstudios in 10's and basically almost all the whores I worked with were bisexual narcistic dumpfucks who despite getting less than 1000$ per shoot became exclusives just to get off to idea of being important to someone( someone= old sad queens who will pay for any piece of ripped tattoed white flesh). I have lost count how many times I had to tell Quiton Gainz to stop sucking off everyone on set(ur not on Sinard's party bitch) or stand Donte Thick's smell and hair style. I heard similar stories from other sets too. Hope this helped.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||May 21, 2023 4:28 PM
Matt Hughes did Gay (He fucked/sucked and got fucked sucked).Then as Danny D he fucked fish with condoms.
There's also an MMA fighter named Matt Hughes so I'm sure he wasn't to happy sharing a name with a gay pron star.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||May 21, 2023 4:31 PM
r6 is REALLY invested in having everyone think all gay porn stars are actually 100% straight.
We've seen you all over DL proclaiming all closeted celebrities are "straight" as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||May 21, 2023 4:31 PM
I'm why so many gay pornstars are bisexual!!
Because regardless of their actual orientation, you gays are just far more into them if you think they're unattainable.
Or that you can be the one who turns them on to the joys of gay sex.
They are stand-ins for all the straight guys you had crushes on when you were younger.
So of course I am going to tell you that they are straight... and that after a year or so of sucking dick and fucking ass they've decided they are bi.
Check them out.
Pay us money.
You know they're so much hotter than some gay guy!
|by Anonymous||reply 19||May 21, 2023 4:35 PM
r18 the irony where their girlfriends think they are gay cause they Beg for threeway with other guy and strap on, they think they are bisexual cause they get off to both guys and girls and r6 believe they are 100% hetero cause its the only way he can get it up and "they are too masculine to be gay".
|by Anonymous||reply 20||May 21, 2023 4:35 PM
A few months back we had a verified poster who had a 'gays fucking pussy and becoming straight' fetish and would constantly post links to Twitter accounts that shared the same fetish. The entire movement had MAGA undertones but that's to be expected. He eventually got red-tagged.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||May 21, 2023 4:37 PM
tomato tomata - potato sucks cock for payotta.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||May 21, 2023 4:38 PM
You're what you are when you're not being paid to do it.
And, OP, your head is simplistic.
You won't get paid for THAT.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||May 21, 2023 4:39 PM
Because the audience wants to see dudes that represent the popular fantasy male prototypes—conventionally masculine bros and dudes. They want guys who seem credible as frat boys, athletes, construction workers, thugs, Alphas, and blue collar mainstream dudes. Sadly, most openly gay guys are not credible as mainstream masculine fantasy bros.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||May 21, 2023 4:41 PM
Can you stop bringing Collin Simpson to this thread r22
|by Anonymous||reply 25||May 21, 2023 4:41 PM
R3.. zeb atlas is hardly "fugly"....
I do wonder though in regards to zeb since 9 out of 10, if not 9.5 out of 10 of his scenes were him as the masculine in control musclebound "daddy" with half his size, half his age, plain in the face looking twinks, if 1) he had to use viagra for these scenes with these co-stars? or 2) if perhaps he was attracted and turned on by these twinks? You know opposites attract and all??..
|by Anonymous||reply 26||May 21, 2023 4:45 PM
r6 2 hours of farting? So you just worked for Michael Lucas?
Sorry but despite fake cum most of those guys were bi, Duckface has aversion to genuine g4pers.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||May 21, 2023 4:49 PM
Bi includes guys who are fine with occasional str8 sex, but NSA only, Kinsey scale 4 - 5. In my opinion, the "equal opportunity, it's all good, 50/50 hole-or-pole?" Kinsey 3 isn't as common as assumed. Kinsey 2 would be the type who could do gay stuff as a "job" - the ones who need Viagra often, or get an exhibitionist thrill to get hard.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||May 21, 2023 4:58 PM
Nah r28" type who could do gay stuff as a "job" - the ones who need Viagra often" would be Kinsey 0 as they wouldnt have any sexual desire for guys no matter how hot and slutty they were. Kinsey 2 would be just bisexual who prefer girls but like sex with both and like to play with both on regular basis.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||May 21, 2023 5:03 PM
Maybe it's part of the job description to be able and willing to fuck whatever, whenever. They don't want to limit opportunities that could translate in cash.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||May 21, 2023 5:04 PM
No r30 that would be pansexual
Its just that obvious that there are tons of bi men and many of them decide to take a path of porn because they have no problem fucking both men and women and since they enjoy it, more power to them.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||May 21, 2023 6:44 PM
So you suggest most gay men are limp wristed nelly woke Queens, so the producers need to go to those masculine, hot bisexual and straight hunks r24 ? The level of self-loathing is beyond.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||May 21, 2023 6:47 PM
Since when bisexual guys are unattainable r19? Some self loathers are just turned on more if they know this dick visits vagina on a regular basis, it doesnt matter if his owner also like to visit assholes.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||May 21, 2023 7:26 PM
No matter how much the media wants to distort concepts, once you voluntarily bang another man (even if it's just for money) you're not str8 anymore. You're bi. PERIOD.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||May 21, 2023 7:32 PM
R35... exactly! ask 100,1000 10000 straight men if they would have sex and on film with another guy for just how much (we're not talking hundreds of thousands of dollars much less a million or more!) everyone of them would say HELL NO!....
Not to mention if you get hard and stay hard with viagra or not with a guy then yep, you're not 100% straight and at best your 50% i.e. bi!..
|by Anonymous||reply 36||May 21, 2023 7:39 PM
OP simple fact Very few are straight/asexual Majority is bisexual Many are gay From experience at industry parties End of discussion Move on
They won't plow your hole
|by Anonymous||reply 37||May 21, 2023 8:14 PM
R33, just because the truth is unpleasant doesn't mean we all are obligated to pretend it's not so. Unfortunately, the large majority of gay-identified men in porn tend to be effeminate, stereotypical, or otherwise not exactly the ideal representation of what the masses consider to be fantasy male material.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||May 21, 2023 8:27 PM
Hi, Marketing again from R19
Do you all really not get it?
If a guy, no matter what is actual orientation, can present as straight, then I will tell people he is straight because that gets clicks and sells videos.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||May 21, 2023 9:16 PM
Wait a minute.
Nowhere did I say all gay or bisexual porn stars were straight.
I thought we were talking about gay for pay.
I’ve worked with straight guys on their OnlyFans. I’ve filmed them doing straight scenes and I’ve filmed them doing gay scenes. It’s night and day.
They can stay stiff and tall when they work with women but their dicks melt and wilt every 5 minutes on and off for an hour shooting scenes with men. You have to fake penetration scenes - if you can film it going in and get a few shots of penetration then you can just have them hump each other for the rest of the shots and make it all look great in editing.
I’ve worked with everyone. I got my start working with a full blown lesbian who only did straight porn. Now she only does dom work with men.
Honestly it’s not a matter of image. Oooh he’s straight. If a porn performer tells you he’s straight, to me, it’s a heads up that it’s going to be a long shoot that requires extra work to accommodate him.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||May 21, 2023 9:47 PM
The other thing I’ll mention is men make more money doing gay porn.
Straight men doing straight porn are at the bottom. Women make the most money, then gay porn stars, then trans, then straight men.
Just look up any of the major porn agencies - they have maybe 5 guys on their roster vs 50 women. Porn studios use the same 10 guys over and over.
If you’re a straight guy your best bet is to move to LA. They don’t want to work with you if they have to pay for you to travel. Most of the guys who work for Brazzers and etc live down the street.
I’m not denying bisexuality or whatever, I’m simply saying there are straight guys doing gay porn.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||May 21, 2023 9:55 PM
The title of this thread is literally why many guys in gay porn are BISEXUAL r42 Assuming you are not making up this stuff name few "straight" guys you worked with on OnlyFans. And why would you work with a literally straight guy (who is probably mediocre) when you can work with many hot bisexual guys who would stay hard without problem.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||May 21, 2023 9:55 PM
r43 Jesus, nobody is denying sometimes we get some extremely desperate straight as arrow whor... performer but bisexuality seems to be quite common phenomena with many shades like you can prefer men/women/like both equally etc. Also like it or not but bisexual guys almost always fit into that "straight" "masculine" look porn companies are looking for.
I mean masculine bisexual young guy who either prefer women or like both equally is a PERFECT model for porn companies - he has the "masculine" desired look and behavior - since he like guys he has no problem performing passionate and convincing sex scenes with men - he is gay enough to enjoy gay sex but not gay enough to date men
Its porn producer and directors wet dream, so no wonder such guy will be prefered above literal straight fuck.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||May 21, 2023 10:03 PM
R44 Because you take on who is there, who is willing, and who is good looking.
I’m not in LA or Florida. Even in LA and Florida, men are flown into those states to work.
Just look at a site like Sean Cody, they’re based in LA and they fly guys in ALL the time for work. And that’s the porn capital of the US. So there’s even a shortage of gay / bisexual men in LA who want to do porn too.
And with that said, I work with guys in my area. This idea that there’s a shitload of bisexual or gay guys looking to do porn everywhere, you’re wrong. Which is why even in the capital of porn, they’re flying guys in.
So yeah a straight guy who wants to make money and is willing to give you a cut off his OnlyFans monthly wants to do gay porn, why would I turn it down?
|by Anonymous||reply 46||May 21, 2023 10:09 PM
R45 Nobody is arguing that.
I talked about straight guys I worked with and why they do it and why they’re in the industry and got shit for it.
I’ve worked with bisexual men too. I’ve worked with everyone - women and men. I haven’t worked with trans because there’s just none that’s ever reached out to me but I would.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||May 21, 2023 10:12 PM
I know it's not something you probably thought about r47 but how many men in porn are gay/bisexual/heterosexual in %s, its always fun to put a number.
Like someone put gay/bi/hetero at 35/5/60% [like Elliot Finn] What is ur %.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||May 21, 2023 10:20 PM
Gays are classier and more prudish. Straights and Bisexuals are more likely to commit violence or have sex addictions.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||May 21, 2023 10:36 PM
Anyone who works in the adult film industry will tell you it is harder to get a gay man to do porn. Gay men love to slut shame and point fingers at others. They’ll be caught death before they become the town’s whore. Bisexual and straight men don’t give a shit about such things.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||May 21, 2023 10:48 PM
Well Elliott’s statistic is from 2012, 10 years ago. OnlyFans wasn’t around 10 years ago so those statistics don’t matter.
I think there are more gay men today doing gay porn than 15 years ago when it was studio run.
It’s hard to give a statistic with OnlyFans because it’s like are we talking hardcore porn or queerbaiters? Guys who tease and jerk off for guys and get massaged or their feet sucked by a guy or guys who do full on sex?
I could say I think 70-80% of hardcore gay porn are gay guys. I think the stat drops if you’re going to add queerbaiters and solo acts and etc.
R49 Absolutely 100%. The gay guys I know who should be doing OnlyFans won’t do it cause they’re typically affluent. They’d rather be social media influencers or thirst traps on Instagram.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||May 21, 2023 10:49 PM
That's why 60% of gay pornstars are bisexual sex addict whores r50
|by Anonymous||reply 52||May 21, 2023 10:50 PM
And didn’t Elliott Finn leave gay porn to do a couples OnlyFans with his girlfriend? That can’t possibly be him talking about the porn industry when what he’s doing is literally career suicide.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||May 21, 2023 10:52 PM
R51 First of that Elliot % was from his TikTok from 2023 lol In 2012 he was prob still in high school. And I was talking all the time about hardore full gay sex studio porn not some teases on OF , I doesnt count it as gay porn where guy fuck, suck, rim, eat cum etc.
Wow 70-80% is a lot you included bisexual guys or what?
|by Anonymous||reply 54||May 21, 2023 10:54 PM
Couple OF will DEFINITELY bring his milions $
|by Anonymous||reply 55||May 21, 2023 10:56 PM
R54 “according to a 2012 survey” is not from 2023.
I don’t know the statistic. Why guess and what’s the relevance? I was talking about why straight guys get picked up for gay porn, why they do it, and my experiences with it.
Tons of women do bisexual porn who aren’t. Only do it when a camera is in front of them. This idea that men are incapable of it is false.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||May 21, 2023 11:01 PM
The real Elliott Finn posted on Twitter yesterday explaining that’s he’s straight and why he does gay porn.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||May 21, 2023 11:04 PM
Gen Z statistics are also bullshit. LGBT+ is a scene now, not a sexual orientation. You can identify as queer cause you like Drag Race today.
The guys who are bisexual / pansexual tend to be open and admit it. Guys who are straight are usually honest. You have obvious ones like Reno Gold but nobody bought it.
I also don’t buy Peachy Boy either and he’s a queerbaiters who is clearly gay so R54 if Reno Gold and Peachy are gay queerbaiters, it still screws up your wanting to leave out queerbaiters and only want hardcore stats.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||May 21, 2023 11:09 PM
That survey from 2012 was about female pornstars a nd one of the things they studied was their sexuality, over 67% were bisexual, there was literally 1 lesbian so it didnt count as %. We are all the time talking about "hardcore" gay porn, in where you stated that 70-80% of performers are gay(you didnt specified if you included bi/pan guys) and now you are arguing there are tons of women who do lesbian porn but are 100% straight.
The case is we prob misunderstood each other, I know there are straight men and women in gay and lesbian porn, I just posit their are the minority like 5% of gay pornstars are straight and 10-15% of lesbian pornstars are straight And the majority is BISEXUAL, sexually turned on by both genders, in many cases probably not romantically as well. Thats it
|by Anonymous||reply 59||May 21, 2023 11:12 PM
r57 I don't care about Elliot, but why people is giving him money. 🤮
|by Anonymous||reply 60||May 21, 2023 11:18 PM
Can we make a list a straight gay porn stars?
|by Anonymous||reply 61||May 21, 2023 11:19 PM
R57 at least MDR is honest about being pansexual and fucking everything.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||May 21, 2023 11:22 PM
Let's make list of bisexual gay porn stars
|by Anonymous||reply 63||May 21, 2023 11:23 PM
I'm not a clinical OCDer, I only care for their good look and screen performance. What beyond that has nothing to do with my JO.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||May 21, 2023 11:28 PM
The gay denier here is PR for the G4P-ers.
Charles Dera makes FAR more money than every single gay porn star anywhere. As does Johnny Sins. And Chad White and many more.
Actual straight male porn stars are in demand and make money. They are not the bottom of the heap. Straight men aren’t forced to do gay porn in order to make any money. They could easily do straight porn.
Porn Photographer is making shit up to degrade gay men.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||May 21, 2023 11:44 PM
And men who do only hardcore heterosexual scenes are making money from gay and bi men via Onlyfans and Patreon. Gay men are making straight performers wealthy without even having to produce any gay content
|by Anonymous||reply 66||May 22, 2023 1:07 AM
From what I have heard from friends in the business, most men in straight and gay porn are bisexual.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||May 22, 2023 1:18 AM
There are degrees. Many straight porn stars are mostly straight. Overwhelmingly heterosexual with situational or infrequent samesex proclivities
|by Anonymous||reply 69||May 22, 2023 1:31 AM
Most younger gay men are happily attracted to openly gay men, it's only the self-hating boomers who believed that only straight men are real men, thus forcing the porn stars of the 90s and early 2000s to market themselves as straight whether they were actually straight or not.
We know we are living in a better world now that we don't see so much of the superlatively weird early Sean Cody stuff featuring two straight bros throwing a football to each other, talking about their girlfriends, pausing for 15 minutes of absolutely filthy gay sex, then back to talking about girlfriends. That was painful to watch.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||May 22, 2023 2:30 AM
R59 Yeah my point is straight men outnumber gay men.
If you want to get straight into stats according to 2022 Gallup, 1.4% of the US adult population identifies as gay.
258.3 million of the US population are adults and there are 165 million adult males in the US.
That means there are 2.3 million gay men in the US vs. 162.7 million straight men in the US.
Bisexual is 4.2% and if you split that by gender equally, that’s 2.1%, that’s another 3.2 million.
So like I said, it’s truly not crazy and hard to believe there’s a lot of straight guys who will do gay porn.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||May 22, 2023 4:21 AM
The other thing I want to point out is orientation is becoming so irrelevant in porn today.
Trans porn is huge, bisexual porn is huge, crossover is huge.
There are super gay porn stars out there right now who are 100% gay doing bisexual porn.
Porn does not define true sexuality. These are performers and actors and people making fantasies for profit.
Porn is a transactional business. Sexual orientation is so irrelevant and today it hinders business.
There are so many porn performs I talk to or work with whether they’re gay or straight who have a list of people they performed with they didn’t like or weren’t attracted to or complain about.
You guys approach the idea of porn from an intimate perspective. Making porn is not intimate at all.
So remove attraction out of the situation. The idea that you have to be attracted and aroused to do a scene, it doesn’t work like that whether it’s gay or straight porn.
Straight guys can have the same exact difficulties doing straight porn as the gay for pay straight guys, especially in a studio set where it’s all start and go. Lighting setups and etc. The big difference is gay for pay makes more money lol.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||May 22, 2023 4:35 AM
I’m gay as fuck but if I wanted to be a porn star in 2023 and make money, I’d pretend I’m straight and shoot gay porn and do bisexual porn with women and trans porn.
I’ll just take some Blew Chew like everyone else and fuck whatever is going to make me money.
I’m not sexually fluid, I’m 100% gay. But porn doesn’t define my sexuality or orientation. It would define my business and money.
Do you guys see my point?
|by Anonymous||reply 74||May 22, 2023 4:37 AM
Like I don’t believe William Seed, Malik Delgaty, or Filou Fit are gay or bisexual.
Those are straight men who fuck for money. They were strippers, they were escorts, they’re hustlers who use their bodies for money. Aside from escorting, I don’t believe at all they’ve ever done anything with a guy off camera. I don’t think they hook up with men without money being involved.
I don’t get how that is so far fetched.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||May 22, 2023 4:42 AM
Nick Pulos is another example. He’s married with a wife and you can tell he’s trying hard to gay for pay because it’s what’s making him money. And he’s always uncomfortable and mediocre in his scenes but it’s what’s paying his bills lol.
People, male or female, have sex with money with people they don’t want to have sex with so I don’t get how switching the gender makes it any worse lol.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||May 22, 2023 4:47 AM
Do you think all those straight women wanted to fuck Ron Jeremy? Lol. But it’s straight porn they must be so turned on!
It works like that with G4P lol.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||May 22, 2023 4:47 AM
OP is clearly not a native English-speaker. So I would tend to regard this post as trolling. I think the majority of gay pornstars are gay, not bisexual - but in interviews they will say they are bisexual because they think that increases their desirability/work potential. I can't prove it, but most of them cannot prove they are bisexual either...
|by Anonymous||reply 78||May 22, 2023 6:26 AM
r77 women dont have to get hard. Comparing men and women in porn is like comparing apples and oranges. So many 'gay' and ones who hashtag 'gay' on instagram either say they are bi in interviews or on Rentmen or just start fucking women. I mean you have uber fag daveywavey making a big scene about pussy now.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||May 22, 2023 6:37 AM
[quote] I got my start working with a full blown lesbian who only did straight porn. Now she only does dom work with men.
r42 Wait. Why wouldn't she just do lesbian porn? Does doing straight porn pay more than lesbian porn? I would've thought it was the opposite.
Anyway, it's not that shocking. Hell, I'm a lesbian who briefly became an utter cliche and worked a second job as a stripper while in college. Nearly all of the other women were Kinsey 4 - 5 bisexuals or lesbians. In fact, I don't think I recall one 100% straight dancer, there. No one cared about the fact that they were men. We cared about the fact that they were paying (not the best/proudest period of my life). Sex work is all fantasy for the coin. None of it is real.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||May 22, 2023 7:00 AM
I think any guy who is sexy and hung is probably bi.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||May 22, 2023 7:00 AM
I miss the days of the 1980's and 1990's when most guys in porn were gay. Not all of them were, but many of the guys in the Falcon porn of the 80's and 90's were actual gay men.
There have always been some bisexual and supposedly straight guys in gay porn but there was a time when actual gay men were in gay porn. I prefer porn where the guys are actually gay and may be getting some enjoyment out of what they are doing or are having gay sex in real life or are actually part of the gay community.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||May 22, 2023 7:37 AM
I read an interview with a female pornstar a little while back, can’t remember her name as I don’t follow straight porn much, who said she thinks 2/3 of the guys in straight porn are bi. She said it makes sense to her because they’re probably sick of looking at pussy all day & like to experiment. Not sure if I believe her rationale though.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||May 22, 2023 7:42 AM
People who do porn are not like the rest of us. Whereas we see sex as a private act between two people who are into each other, they don’t. Attaching any kind of deep meaning to sex is a foreign concept for them. For them, sex is just something you do to satisfy a physical urge. This is why they can have sex with men, women, trans, one person, two people, five people, ten people, young twinks, older daddies, whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos, fat people, skinny people, clear skin people, heavily tattooed people, people they’ve known for years, people they just met two minutes ago and never bothered to learn their names, etc.. It really doesn’t matter. They have no boundaries and no inhibitions.
This is why analyzing the sexualities of people who do porn is dumb. They’re just whores. Most guys who watch straight porn have figured that out. They don’t sit there debating with each other whether some porn starlet is straight, gay or bi because she has done sex scenes with both men and women. They just know she’s a screwed up whore doing what screwed up whores do, but that’s okay. They have no plans to marry them or date them or introduce them to their families. They just beat off to them, turn off the computer and get on with their real lives. It’s gay men who, for some reason, obsess about this stuff.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||May 22, 2023 7:43 AM
r74, eventually you would be tagged and found out as exgay and fakegay. Social media is not going to let you live that down. One main reason is that there is a whole gay to straight movement/fetish on social media that champions "first time with a woman, break in pussy porn and getting fully gay men to declare a newfound bisexuality/pansexuality." The stigma of conversion therapy is not going to let you live that down. You'd be a pariah to other gay men and a hero to the exgay movement. The fully gay men that push this kind of porn are legitemaltely problematic. It's reignites an discussion of being gay is a choice. You can't dismiss orientation so blatantly without causing controversy. It empowers the enemies of gay people.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||May 22, 2023 8:42 AM
Didn’t Paddy O’Brian start out as saying he fucked women and was only doing gay porn as a top for the cash? Fast forward a few years; he’s sucking dick, another couple of years, he’s eating ass, culminating in him taking a cock up his hoop… he either realised that getting his prostate rubbed was far more pleasurable than fucking flange or he is only in it for the money and is a better actor when shooting gay porn than many who get an Oscar.
Point being, I have only ever seen him in the company of men and it looks like he has embraced his inner bottom, given some of the porn he has made…
|by Anonymous||reply 86||May 22, 2023 8:54 AM
There was a supposedly straight British male porn star who did gay porn for years and would occasionally escort on the side.Allegedly one of his male escorts sent some screenshots and clips from one of his gay porn videos to his girlfriend and several members of her family. The now ex girlfriend and her family threatened to keep him away from his child due to him doing porn and escorting. So he quit doing porn and a got himself a regular job in order to not lose access to his child.
R86 Lucy Hart formerly Lance Hart use to insist for years that they were straight and only had sex with men for money and wasn't at all attracted to men. Years later they admitted that there might be a small possibility that they might be bi and has now since come out as trans.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||May 22, 2023 9:29 AM
And I am talking already way before this stupid woke trend
Oy vey, OP. You're a moronic rightwing bigot. They do that stuff NOT because it's a "woke trend," they're doing it TO MAKE MONEY. They're sex whores and they do what makes money, hunny. I'm sure if you were a bit older you'dve been mad about the decades-old "woke trend" of interracial gay porn.
Btw, if it weren't for the woke'sters of yesteryear you'd have to still be in the closet and you'd certainly have no gay-centric website to complain on about how not all porn is for you. Idiot.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||May 22, 2023 9:56 AM
R81 Yea cause God was so generous to fullfill nasty desires of "disgust in his eyes" and straight women so he made all hot muscular jocks bisexual but forgot to reset all suffering.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||May 22, 2023 11:25 AM
R83 I think it was this interview
|by Anonymous||reply 90||May 22, 2023 11:28 AM
The irony of bisexual guys in gay porn is that those old queens want them to be straight so no matter how hard their dick was while being fucked, no matter how much they moaned and rolled their eyes they will be STRAIGHT boys to them. While straight women believe if a guy even shave his pubic or armpit hair he is GAY, so when they find out their boyfriend is gettin fucked, moan and cums all over himself they came to conclusion they date a closet gay. Who is not honest with himself and cheat on her with men both on and off screen.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||May 22, 2023 11:37 AM
I think r92 wanted to give extended explanation of "you can't please anybody when you are in the middle R93
|by Anonymous||reply 94||May 22, 2023 12:39 PM
R80 Lesbian porn pays less. It’s the easiest and safest thing for a female to do and I believe it’s a huge viewership but isn’t a huge seller. Lots of people watch lesbian porn but they won’t buy it.
It’s also a matter of offers.
POV Porn isn’t huge. It actually ranks a few spots higher than trans porn on PornHub searches.
BUT POV is a huge market for female performers because so many guys want to do POV porn, it’s basically consumerism. A guy with an iPhone wants to start a porn channel and do POV videos - women demand the same rates, sometimes even higher, than what studios pay. A lot of these guys don’t make their money back because they’re competing with women.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||May 22, 2023 1:48 PM
It’s very similar to race.
A biracial white/black person is considered black to both white and black people.
White people dismiss their whiteness and black people claim their blackness.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||May 22, 2023 1:54 PM
R85 You’ll have to show me some evidence of that and name names because I’ve never seen that before. I’ve seen queerbaiters on TikTok being called out but no one in porn is being cancelled over this.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||May 22, 2023 1:57 PM
This is the only place I've ever heard of such
|by Anonymous||reply 98||May 22, 2023 2:00 PM
R90 A female porn star recently mentioned in a tweet, and it was too long ago to find it, that there are straight guys who do straight porn that are in the closet / bisexual and that there are straight guys who do porn that are straight.
As I stated in R73 and the great post by R84 said, what performers do on screen does not define their orientation.
There are absolutely straight male performers who ONLY do straight porn who are bisexual.
Remember Julian Rios in the 90s? He did a bisexual porno where he let a guy suck his dick and then only did straight porn after that. But he’s revealed in recent times that he was bisexual. We just never saw all of it cause it was in his private life.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||May 22, 2023 2:08 PM
R79 Yeah but there’s really no difference between straight and gay porn stars.
In a more intimate setting like an OnlyFans scene in a hotel or wherever with a videographer, it’s easier for a straight guy to stay erect because the shoot is quicker. They’re like 45 minute shoots.
On a studio set with a director, videographer, lighting crew and a full day where sometimes the guy has to perform 3 scenes - it’s constant starting and stopping.
So there’s the rehearsal where you act out the scene through pictures and then you have to do the scenes and they only use one camera so lighting has to be changed with each new angle. It’s very hard for a guy to stay erect naturally and it’s hard for a guy to get it up naturally when it’s time for the cameras to roll.
Straight guys use viagra and sex enhancement drugs just like G4P and gay guys use it too.
Again - it’s not really sex in the intimate form.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||May 22, 2023 2:17 PM
R99 then I think it was the interview with Kelly Divine who said she could count actual straight guys on one hand[she is fugly as hell btw]. Of course there are bisexual or even gay models on the straight side but the question is why? If you are turned on by guys and gay porn pay way more wtf you are doing on straight set.
Also I can't understand those pansexual guys like Dante Colle, Jayden Marcos who try to become crossovers and bridge gay and straight industry. Stay in fuckin gay porn since it makes the most money.... unless porn actually refleksji sexuality.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||May 22, 2023 2:17 PM
Here’s an example of straight guys on a gay porn set lol.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||May 22, 2023 2:20 PM
That is a pretty iconic clip, R102. Tom Faulk stating afterwards that the other guy's dick was too thin and pointy... 😂
Side note, that's from FraternityX, and some DLers really thought it was a real fraternity from an actual college.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||May 22, 2023 2:27 PM
Tom Faulk is bisexual r102 If we are going to put literally every bisexual/pansexual guy into straight box there is literally 0 sense to use those labels AT ALL.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||May 22, 2023 2:27 PM
R101 I’m going to have to answer this in 2 parts cause I want to watch the video.
For your latter comment, bisexual porn has grown tremendously in the last 10 years.
15 years ago there was like one bisexual porn studio and everything else was like from South America or Eastern Europe.
Same with trans porn.
Dante Colle is one of the most searched male performers by women according to PornHub.
Crossovers make the most money. Look at Roman Todd - he does gay porn and now he’s ventured into bisexual porn and trans porn and he’s everywhere.
Sophia Locke is a woman who is doing crossover and working with gay and bisexual men and she’s everywhere.
Doing everything = more money.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||May 22, 2023 2:28 PM
Yeah but since Roman Todd is bi/pan he has 0 problem fucking literally everything that moves lmao including fat trans. On the other hand it would be great to see some hotter and younger guy at his place, he is just overexposed Did like 60 scenes in the 2022.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||May 22, 2023 2:32 PM
R101 She’s probably right.
But as a recruiter and someone who works with straight men, gay porn doesn’t cross their mind.
Like I said I’ve worked with gay for pay.
Like I worked with a guy who was a former meth addict and when he said he’d do gay porn, he said his former gay meth friends were going to be pissed because he always rejected their offers Hahahaha!
|by Anonymous||reply 107||May 22, 2023 2:34 PM
I think it's hot to imagine a 110% gay porn performer having sex with a female.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||May 22, 2023 2:37 PM
One of the dumbest threads of all time, started by a troll who won't shut up. Most of them are gay. The Bi and G4P ones get more notice because people make a big deal out of it. Sexuality is complicated anyway, get over it OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||May 22, 2023 2:38 PM
Because sexuality is a spectrum and it's a bell curve, like most things in life. Being 100% gay or 100% straight are both more rare than being somewhere inbetween.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||May 22, 2023 2:43 PM
R107 Out of curiosity how do you distinguish if you work with bisexual or with straight guy? They tell you that or you notice during filming or what?
|by Anonymous||reply 111||May 22, 2023 2:45 PM
R110 If thats true and most people are bisexual then why we even propose the existence if G4P? If only few ppl in reality are straight there would be 0 of them in industry where you pay you be turned on and have sex with guy
|by Anonymous||reply 112||May 22, 2023 2:47 PM
R111 I recruit.
So I usually get men through photography. I do nude or underwear shoots and typically license them for trashy independent romance novels or for whatever people want to use them for. Or I sell them to digital male erotic magazines usually on Instagram.
I use a couple of different places to find men - even Craigslist. And during the e-mail exchange or in person doing the shoot before or after, I tell them what else I do. That I help manage and coordinate porn careers - OnlyFans (there’s sooooo much more that goes into it than that).
And I give them a rundown and they tell me what they want to do or what they can do. And so I basically set them up. I do casting photos and submit them to talent agencies and porn studios and it usually takes a few weeks for them to call back. And in the meantime, we set up the basics for their social media platforms. I hook them up with other local photographers or even bigger ones and it’s a whole thing. It’s a lot.
I collect a % from everything after I get my money back. So if I spent $1,000 shooting in AirBnBs and hotel rooms for 2 months building their OnlyFans, I get that $1,000 back from their first gigs and then collect a monthly % off their OnlyFans. I’m usually able to get my money back through photography.
A lot of photographers pay models $100/hour to shoot so the guys give me that money from their first few shoots. And then a studio reaches out to them and they’ll get $500 - $2500 for a shoot and I let them have that money cause the studio work will promote their OnlyFans.
I usually do trial management. So I stay on board for 6 months and they can renew or leave me. And I drop my % fee and help maintain their platforms without doing photography / videography unless there are big collab scenes.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||May 22, 2023 3:09 PM
When I went out to my first gay bar and got to be around other gays (or at least gay-identifying men as we refer to it now), I realized that a lot of gay men can’t engage in very intelligent conversations. I realized I had to dumb myself down to be around other gay men. That was a bummer. Another bummer was to discover how focused on being “less gay” was superior. Being casually masculine wasn’t enough. Reading this thread here about male sexuality, twenty-five years later, leads me to conclude that dumbness and the lowest common denominator, rule the roost.
R74 ED pills can’t force an erection where one wouldn’t be present in the first place. That’s not how they work. The term “psychosexual” would be the the best one to apply to how erections work - it starts in the mind. Your penis isn’t some detached, independent part of your body. It’s intertwined with everything else. While Kinsey has been criticized, I think his scale explains it best. Some are fully gay, some are fully straight and some fall in between. Most people though are straight. Waiting around for a man that’s not gay is mentally ill. The woke fantasy about sexuality, combined with porn has damaged my fellow gay men even more. I now support calls for bringing down porn. It’s really made a lot of you really stupid and your own worst enemies.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||May 22, 2023 3:12 PM
R113, why would a “content creator” need you? I thought the whole point of Onlyfans and similar sites is that it cuts out the middle men. All you need is a camera and someone to shoot with, and you’re good to go.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||May 22, 2023 3:17 PM
R115 It’s not that easy.
It’s a business. Being a good hair dresser doesn’t mean you’d be good at running your own hair salon.
A lot of models don’t have business skills and a lot of models don’t have an eye for photography or videography.
A lot of OnlyFans models have management, videographers, editors, people who run their social media, etc, etc.
Yeah someone like Jake Andrich doesn’t need me.
But the fitness trainer who sucks at taking selfies, sucks at posting on social media, doesn’t know how to write catchy captions or know anyone in the industry, who has a hot body and a nice cock and just wants to make money fucking on camera, needs me. Lol.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||May 22, 2023 3:27 PM
R114 It’s not that deep cause it’s porn and again, you’re comparing reality to fantasy and actors.
But to your reality, masculinity is always going to reign superior. “Alpha males” are always going to be the most attractive.
They are attractive across the board - straight men want to be like them and gay men and women want to be with them.
You sound like a straight guy complaining about “nice guys finish last”. Yes everyone desires hyper masculine douchey asshole men.
Get over it.
And as far as erection pills go on porn sets, there’s porn everywhere. On the TV, on the laptop, on their phones, etc. Even with gay men and on straight porn sets.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||May 22, 2023 3:44 PM
R117 Your response didn’t address what I said. Did I hit a nerve?! If you can’t adjust to the idea that your dating pool are other gay men, with all their flaws, then you’re mentally ill. Living in some fantasy world where straight men will have sex with you, WTF?! Your response sounds like you’re part of the dumbness problem I was talking about. SMH
|by Anonymous||reply 118||May 22, 2023 4:00 PM
R116, you should try to work for Jack Dixon. His site looks like he could use professional help.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||May 22, 2023 4:06 PM
R27, Yet Mr Duckface is willing to do ftms aka straight women larping as gay men. The Botox must’ve seeped into his brain.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||May 22, 2023 4:27 PM
R21, I think I saw that account on Twitter a few months ago just before I quit. The creep was still trying to convert gay men.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||May 22, 2023 4:29 PM
R108, no it's not, it's gross and reeks 1) conversion therapy and 2) internalized homophobia. You think homosexuality is degrading. Such a sick fetish.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||May 22, 2023 4:29 PM
It's really hard to tell There are a lot of guys who start in porn with straight identify but realized they are bi after f.e Roman Todd, Aspen, Johnny Rapid, Christian Wilde, Dante Colle and many more
|by Anonymous||reply 123||May 22, 2023 7:49 PM
Hi, Marketing again!
I know it was a long time ago for many of you, but remember back when you were in your 20s and there were a lot of guys who were still figuring out their sexuality? Maybe they were experimenting some.
Well, when we get a hold of them, we figure that if they can pass for straight, then we say they are straight!
Lately we've been saying "bi" since the notion of straight guys doing gay porn gets pushback from younger gays. So bi says "he's still alpha enough to get pussy when he wants, but he does appreciate a good ass and isn't grossed out by a blow job."
We've got a new angle too, where "straight" guys do sort of gay things - they let their "straight" friend strap on a dildo and fuck them. But it's not GAY because it's not a real dick. That lets our audience fantasize that they can be the one to convince the "straight" stud to take a real cock, not a silicone one.
Keep on clicking guys!!
Keeps those dollars coming in.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||May 22, 2023 8:01 PM
Thanks for that R123 -- that's my work too!
As I explained above, saying they "have realized they are bi" lets our audience fantasize that maybe they have a shot at one of these studs or that eventually any good looking guy will realize that he has a bi side. (Even though most of our actors also have a "sell side" if you catch my drift!"
It's all good clean fun and the audiences love it!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 125||May 22, 2023 8:04 PM
R125 I would rather say they were always bisexual and at some point their were tired of the straight bullshit I just admitted they like men too. But its true what you said - anyone who looks masculine can be sold as straight.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||May 22, 2023 8:08 PM
The "bis" in gay porn are highly controversial because in many cases on them you can find at least one reply where they claimed to be straight.
Johnny Rapid,Vadim Black, Markie More, Christian Wilde, Colby Jensen, Rod Daily, Marcus Mojo,Cliff Jensen,Wolf Hudson, Rick Sinz, Spencer Laval, Roman Todd, Justin Matthews, Gavin Waters, Trent Diesel Jayden Marcos, Brandon Cody,Aspen and tons of other models from MEN, Nextdoor, Sean Cody, Corbin Fischer label themselves as bi/pan/ not straight But I am pretty sure there will be a lot of people who will whine at G4P and use them as example.
So basically for porn whores we have 3 categories
- gays - confused - desperate drug addicts
Confused make up the majority of pornstars so its kinda right to say most of those guys are bisexual.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||May 22, 2023 8:24 PM
Because there are more straight/bi men than there are gay men? No one acts surprised that most of the girl on girl porn stars are straight/bi.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||May 22, 2023 8:29 PM
We all know bisexuals are just straight guys who like from time to time to fuck a guy and suck dick.
And bisex females are just attention seekers.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||May 22, 2023 8:34 PM
R74, So you would be willing to do bestiality and child porn since it doesn’t “count”as part of your sexuality, right?
Those who will to do anything for money are usually sick in the head.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||May 22, 2023 8:40 PM
[quote]There are super gay porn stars out there right now who are 100% gay doing bisexual porn.
None of them are gay. The conversion therapy porn fetish they promote is a gross form of homophobia.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||May 22, 2023 8:42 PM
R131 Wesley Woods was loud about doing straight and bisexual scenes at yet being supposedly 100% gay.
When Donte Thick went back into closet and tried to convince everyone he is straight Wesley Woods exposed him for his frequent hookups with guys.
As a revenge Donte exposed Wesley's hookup with girls when they were supposed to have a threesome but fucked girls on their own. Which ended Wesley porn career hahahah
|by Anonymous||reply 132||May 22, 2023 8:47 PM
Last I heard of Wesley Wood, he was trying to do comedy/stand-up, or something. It was embarrassing. Didn’t he fake a hate crime as well? Some of these failed pornwhores have tried to venture into drag too, which no one wants to see.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||May 22, 2023 8:56 PM
I never heard anything about hate crime but I know he was attacted by homophobes in west hollywood. His stand up were such a failure btw. And we don't need another Chi Chi LaRue
|by Anonymous||reply 134||May 22, 2023 9:00 PM
R134, I never bought that he was attacked by homophobes, being that he is one himself and will just about lie about anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||May 22, 2023 9:07 PM
R130 Different anon. This is one of the dumbest examples ever. It's like something you've hear from a homophobic Twitter user. Comparing sex between two consensual adults to rape of a child/animal.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||May 22, 2023 9:14 PM
He is promoting homophobic conversion therapy himself with his "100% gay but chooses to sleep with women" act. If he’s that big of a homophobic degenerate that he’ll do anything for money, then other sex acts (consensual or not) wouldn’t be that far of a stretch for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||May 22, 2023 9:25 PM
At least you have a sense of humor about it R127
|by Anonymous||reply 138||May 22, 2023 10:50 PM
R136 No it’s not. For a homosexual male touching a female in a sexual way is repulsive. The guy he was responding to at R74 was saying to just take ED medication to get over it. It’s not a stretch to say that he’d do the same concerning bestiality. I’ll repeat what I said initially in my reply at 114 for those in the back. ED medication doesn’t give you the power to perform with a sex to whom you’re not oriented. It also wouldn’t give you the power to perform in scenarios that repulse you. For example, it wouldn’t give you an erection to sexually perform with your own father if you found that repulsive. It’s not magic. It’s working with the circulation in your penis. Your sexual response still has to work with your brain/your mind.
My God, never imagined having to justify my sexuality to the LGBT-infinity inquisition board. I thought we’d beat the Moral Majority crowd back in the 90s.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||May 22, 2023 11:25 PM
[quote]Such a sick fetish.
r122 There are, to me, a concerning amount of "fetishes" that get excused as kinks when they're actually just a sign of severe trauma response and psychological damage. Conversion therapy/corrective rape, race-play (i.e. White slave master, Black slave), rape (i.e. consensual non-consent), and findom are examples of "kinks" that I believe shouldn't be celebrated or glorified. Some kinks absolutely need to be shamed.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||May 22, 2023 11:35 PM
Dereck Kage is no longer gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||May 23, 2023 12:23 AM
R139 if you're a gay man who finds womens' bodies 'repulsive' then you might benefit from some kind of professional help.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||May 23, 2023 12:42 AM
Being gay doesn't mean you find women’s bodies or sex with women repulsive. Countless gay men have had sex with women and didn't find it repulsive at all. It wasn't their biggest turn on, but it wasn't repulsive.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||May 23, 2023 12:50 AM
R143, yup and given the sharp declines in societal homophobia in the past 20-30 years, it stands to reason that there may well be more younger straight men who don't find men's bodies repulsive (despite not being attracted).
|by Anonymous||reply 144||May 23, 2023 12:52 AM
Hey guess what OP? I don’t care. This is not something I give a split second of thought.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||May 23, 2023 12:57 AM
r142 This is ridiculous. Finding the bodies of the sex you're not attracted to repulsive is not indicative of something being wrong. It means the person is likely 100% [insert sexual orientation here]. I'm a lesbian (the dumb cliched college stripper upthread) and I, personally, find the male body repulsive. There is nothing "wrong" with me for feeling that way. It's who I am. Thankfully, shaking one's ass to the Ying Yang Twins doesn't require one to be "unrepulsed" by the drunken idiots throwing away their cashed-out paychecks on stage during your set.
It's so disappointing how much gay shame exists even in gay spaces. If anything that's indicative of something going horribly wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||May 23, 2023 1:21 AM
R146 really interesting how you frame this as an issue of 'gay shame': almost as if you're not gay enough if you're not repulsed by the opposite sex?
With all due respect if you find mens' bodies in general repulsive (even if healthy, clean, and not acting in any kind of threatening or obscene way) then I do actually think there is something wrong there that you might benefit from trying to break down somehow.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||May 23, 2023 1:25 AM
Awww don't block me R148 look at everything you are missing! :)
|by Anonymous||reply 149||May 23, 2023 1:29 AM
Sexuality is not a spectrum, your BEHAVIOR may be on a spectrum, hetero is the default, same sex attraction is actually quite rare I think myself, as a gay man.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||May 23, 2023 1:31 AM
r147 I was more or less speaking in terms of being physically intimate with the opposite sex, not so much just the existence/presence of the male body, in general. The actual act of being physically intimate with the opposite sex is repulsive to me. And before you ask, yes I've tried it, that's how I know.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||May 23, 2023 1:33 AM
R152. Interesting. I've tried it too and I thought it was quite nice. Not sure if that makes me bi though. Maybe just a little bit.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||May 23, 2023 1:35 AM
I’m gay, 100%, have never done anything with a woman & don’t plan to. But I can appreciate women’s beauty & beautiful bodies without being sexually attracted.
My sister is a straight married woman who thinks penises are disgusting to the point she’s practically repulsed. She saw the movie Get Hard in the theater (quelle ironie) & when a penis was flashed onscreen she pulled some Karen shit, before that was even a thing, & wanted her money back. Iirc she took my 12 year-old nephew & did the “the children, the children” act, even though I think he’d seen at least one penis prior.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||May 23, 2023 1:36 AM
r153 The fact that you were not only able to perform in the first place but found it "quite nice" means you are bi, yes. A gay man would not be able to perform, want to, or find it "quite nice."
As women, we have the ability to just "lay there and silently suffer through the impaling" aroused or not. It is not the same. I certainly wouldn't describe it as "quite nice." It was awful and mildly traumatic.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||May 23, 2023 2:49 AM
R142 Why would you reply to me and block me so I couldn’t see your response?! I only saw it because of R148. I’m concerned with your lack of sense combined with arrogance. If English isn’t your first language it explains how your answer sounds like you didn’t understand what I said.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||May 23, 2023 2:54 AM
R155 I increasingly find that strict policing/gatekeeping of the boundaries of rigidly fixed categories of sexuality to be over-reductive, certainly unhelpful at expressing and comprehending the diversity of human sexuality. Plus, we're on DL where large parts of the crowd have integrated sexuality very deeply into their identities. But ok, maybe a little bit bi. I'm not sure I'll ever have sex with a woman again, but I wouldn't rule it out.
I'm sorry your experience was 'awful and mildly traumatic'. I suspected your feelings of repulsion stemmed from a trauma response. They are not, I'm afraid, a normal and healthy expression of someone's homosexuality. Take care in any case.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||May 23, 2023 3:17 AM
R156, It's not possible to block someone on DL and prevent them from reading your posts, this website has quite an unusual design. You have obviously got tangled up here somewhere, perhaps work on not getting so upset about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||May 23, 2023 3:20 AM
Marketing, personally and professionally.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||May 23, 2023 3:21 AM
[quote][R155] I increasingly find that strict policing/gatekeeping of the boundaries of rigidly fixed categories of sexuality to be over-reductive, certainly unhelpful at expressing and comprehending the diversity of human sexuality.
r157 Surely you realize that the acceptance of gays and the establishment of gay rights in society is contingent upon gatekeeping when distinguishing what it means to be gay? If people who call themselves gay are openly still having and enjoying "relations" with individuals of the opposite sex, that fuels harmful ideas such as "it being a choice." It makes it harder for 100% gays and lesbians to be taken seriously.
Do you know how many times I was told "I just haven't met the right guy yet" after I came out? Where do you think mindsets like that come from? It comes from the twisted idea that we're somehow "choosing" to be gay and are just waiting to be rescued by "the chosen one" who wields the "magical curative penis/vagina" we need to be "fixed."
It can also sew seeds of doubt within young gaylings and baby dykes who may still be confused about themselves and wonder why they can't be like the other "normal gays and lesbians" who still like banging the opposite sex once every blue moon. They need to understand those individuals aren't actually gay, but bisexual. Labels matter in sensitive situations like this. I don't understand why I have to explain this on a gay site. I really don't. It's truly baffling. Perhaps it's because the statements are coming from a bisexual who calls himself gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||May 23, 2023 7:35 AM
It's all bullshit. They're gay. Not bi. Gay.
But they believe they increase their appeal and widen their audience by saying they are bi. But they are gay. Just because they can have sex with the woman for their next porn video, does not mean they are straight or bi. They are gay. They are a gay man who just happens to be able to have sex with a female.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||May 23, 2023 7:42 AM
Majority of Active Duty especially in that Claude era were in that bi/ curious/DL category. The reason is that most of them were recruited from gay bars in San Diego where they were going for casual hookup. That would explain little to no editing, villingness to perform all sexual acts including kissing and often no need to edit moneyshot - remember if a guy just cums after pulling out it means he was turned on by his partner.
Of course there were some straight guys but you could spot the difference after a second.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||May 23, 2023 7:57 AM
[quote] Surely you realize that the acceptance of gays and the establishment of gay rights in society is contingent upon gatekeeping when distinguishing what it means to be gay?
No, I don't agree with that at all. Full acceptance comes when society accepts same-sex and opposite-sex relations between consenting adults as being absolutely equally deserving of respect. Recognising that for many, maybe even the majority (I don't say all) of us, some level of bisexuality is at least potentially possible would be a big step towards that goal, in my opinion. Even if you disagree, ruthless gatekeeping would mean we'd have to abandon claim to the legacies of some of the most accomplished gay men in history and culture, like Oscar Wilde, Freddie Mercury, William Burroughs, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Rudolf Nureyev....
[quote] Do you know how many times I was told "I just haven't met the right guy yet" after I came out?
That's because the people telling you that didn't want you to be gay because they couldn't reconcile it with the positive feelings they had for you. That's the societal homophobia that needs to be tackled, not the fact that some sexualities are more fluid than others.
[quote] It can also sew seeds of doubt within young gaylings and baby dykes who may still be confused about themselves
I am sure these young people will eventually work everything out, but if we could all refrain from berating them in the meantime about the ways they choose to speak about their own sexuality (seriously, check out any thread on Gen Z and bisexuality on here), that would be a positive. Gay people and bisexuals should be allies, they don't actually have any real incompatibilities in their interests.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||May 23, 2023 8:40 AM
Does it matter OP? Straight ppl who watch straight porn don't debate for a second if a guy they see on screen is straight, bi , asexual or gay. Same with females. What I find interesting is in this Vlad interview the female pornstar (Nikki Benz) doesn't believe in Gay-for-pay " If you can get it up, you are not Gay-for-pay, you like it". She also work with women and she never met gay4pay girl? All her co-stars were bisexual?
|by Anonymous||reply 164||May 23, 2023 8:48 AM
Gay for pay is a myth only believed by a gullible subset of gullible gay porn addicts.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||May 23, 2023 11:14 AM
"Some of them have part or their sphincter removed surgically to make the butt sex easier. "
|by Anonymous||reply 167||May 23, 2023 11:32 AM
1. Sexuality is not black and white, despite the fervent beliefs of many DLers who have been sold on the "suck one cock and you are gay forever" myth.
2. Lots of guys in their 20s are unsure of their sexuality or in denial. Or both.
3. Why the need to give everyone a category. Horniness, alcohol and availability often get people to break out of their categories.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||May 23, 2023 12:45 PM
ConcernedBisexual has been a troll here a LONG time. VERY contrarian, and especially hateful of the USA.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||May 23, 2023 12:50 PM
R16 I almost choked to death reading this.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||May 23, 2023 12:50 PM
R168, the theories that EVERYONE is fluid in terms of gender and sexuality are laughable. Ten years from now, people will wonder what we were thinking.
I have no desire to have sex with a woman and that will never change.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||May 23, 2023 12:58 PM
LOL, that is YOU R171. And there are straight men who have no desire to have sex with another guy.
But not every gay man has the same sexual desires you do.
Mind blown, I am sure. But there you have it.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||May 23, 2023 1:02 PM
r168 was blocked a long time ago in another thread where he hates on actual GAY MEN, promoting his bisexual superiority.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||May 23, 2023 1:04 PM
Well, R172, if a man has some sexual attraction to women, then he isn't gay. He's bi.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||May 23, 2023 1:04 PM
If that "gay man" has different sexual desires than r171 why not just call him bi? Being bi is just sexually attracted to men and women even if you heavily lean towards either.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||May 23, 2023 1:05 PM
Gold Stars are passé, gays. Put that pussy on a pedestal, it'll make you hotter and get you hotter guys. Jay from The 40-Year-Old Virgin had it wrong!
|by Anonymous||reply 176||May 23, 2023 1:09 PM
Because gay men are too ugly and queeny OP
Look at NextDoor bts stuff and you see the guys who identify as bi look like normal, masculine guys and then what you see as gays? Miss balding ex mormon, thin Adam Lambert and Gollum. Without those gorgeous bi hunks porn studios would die.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||May 23, 2023 1:19 PM
R171, and that's you! Realize others are different
|by Anonymous||reply 178||May 23, 2023 1:22 PM
They don't R178
They're 100 years old and they are not going to change.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||May 23, 2023 1:23 PM
Really, R178? Are you a gay man who has sex with women on a regular basis?
R179, I am over 50 and I do enjoy the ludicrous theories the far left comes up with (and the people who buy them hook, line and sinker).
|by Anonymous||reply 180||May 23, 2023 1:30 PM
Thanks to the DL, I am now aware of how many porners are incredibly fucked up criminals, and how many die tragically.
I am now under the assumption that most gay-for-pay porners have criminal records and have trouble getting hired for legitimate work. Porn producers obviously do not care at all about anyone's character or even if they are violent or even killers since they are only paying for a couple hours of time and only want naked bodies penetrating one another.
At this point, my assumption is that it's that simple. Porn is a way for damaged people with criminal histories to make money. They have a hard time finding work otherwise.
And it's a major assumption but I'm guessing a lot of cute gay guys who get into porn may have been sexually abused at a young age and associate their worth with being sexually preyed upon. My sister worked in child protective services for 25 years and the sensibility is common among people who were sexually abused as kids. They tend to be proudly promiscuous and associate people wanting to fuck them with their self-worth.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||May 23, 2023 1:37 PM
A poll of porn stars is definitely going to be accurate, OP. They never lie.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||May 23, 2023 1:38 PM
Most those "gay-for-payers" are bisexual R181 Liking dick doesn't prevent you from being violent dick.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||May 23, 2023 1:51 PM
I love how OP just asked why there are so many bisexual guys in porn and all he got is a mixture of trolling and shitstorm of insecure gold star gays arguing between themselves.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||May 23, 2023 1:56 PM
[quote]I love how OP just asked why there are so many bisexual guys in porn
But there aren't. Don't be gullible.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||May 23, 2023 2:14 PM
Whenever this discussion comes up, I always think of Mason Wyler, who was pushed as a straight guy when he first appeared on Corbin Fisher only to later find out that wasn't the case.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||May 23, 2023 2:42 PM
No such thing as bi. People stay in closet because being gay is social demotion.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||May 23, 2023 2:56 PM
Oh R169, how can you say I hate the USA when I've watched almost every John Ford movie there is?
|by Anonymous||reply 188||May 23, 2023 3:16 PM
DL is full of hateful bisexuals who mock men for actually being GAY.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||May 23, 2023 5:16 PM
Better get used to it, R189! Even the Yassss Kweens, with their nail polish and dangly earrings, don't want to be Gold Stars. Because inherently, that would mean they're transphobic.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||May 23, 2023 6:05 PM
r143, but under what circumstances? If you are out as gay and decide you want to have sex with women then what is that. If you're NOT closeted and are living as a gay man, what exactly are doing? If you double down as gay and not bisexual, what the fuck is that supposed to say about gay men. A bunch of you are trying to normalize and have this back and forth about being attracted to women. I don't see a fucking a vagina or a naked woman in a sexual capacity. Because I'm not fucking BISEXUAL. You're like that assholes at IML who want to teach vagina pleasure classes to gay men.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||May 23, 2023 6:29 PM
Concerned European you are clearly a conversion-therapy evangelist. Isn't that the first step to "correcting" a gay man. Oh, you don't really think the female body is unattractive, do you? DO YOU? You're a fucking creep, what fucking asshole is trying to shame gay men because they are repulsed by the female body. Are you even 100 percent gay? Why do you feel that opposite sex repulsion is something that needs "correcting." That something we typical find in bisexuals, pansexuals and non-binaries who need to assert their "superiority" over homosexuals.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||May 23, 2023 6:36 PM
So Concerned European, you are that person. You're a bisexual who mocks other gay men. You're not even FUCKING GAY, you stupid fuck. You're the typical bisexual cunt often referenced on DL. Who the fuck are you to lecture ACTUAL gay people?
|by Anonymous||reply 194||May 23, 2023 6:48 PM
I don't know. I don't think what you're saying is all that crazy Concerned European, but it certainly seems to be causing hysterics. Maybe it's the puritan streak we still very much have here in the U.S., which finds a way to screw with us even in the most unlikely places. But like you, I'm not a gold star gay. It's been a long time, and although I did like it a couple of times, mostly I didn't particularly. Still, it's not some secret shame I carry now and forever. And if it makes me Bi in the High Council of Gold Star Gays, well, so be it. I'd say I'm gay for going on 30 years now, but I suppose I have failed in that one important duty of finding all women repulsive at all times.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||May 23, 2023 7:04 PM
Why is the "causing hysterics" phrase used? It's like you "gay" people struggle to comprehend why gay men can be be repelled by the female body along with being neutral. I don't understand why "gay" men project these heterosexual standards onto gay men. You're actually gatekeeping heterosexuality not homosexuality, i.e. "Something is wrong with you when you can't find a woman's body attractive."
|by Anonymous||reply 196||May 23, 2023 7:42 PM
I'm late to this thread but it is quite interesting. Thanks Mr. Porn Photographer (or Miss) for your insights. My question is always the same about this topic;
How much money are we REALLY talking about here?
I understand that there are many who are simply motivated by money but wouldn't the negative consequences of porn outweigh the "money" gained?
|by Anonymous||reply 197||May 23, 2023 7:48 PM
It's not about projecting and it's not about imposing standards and it's not about gatekeeping r196. It is about a crazy overreaction to the simple fact that some gay men have had straight sex and the fact that not being absolutely repulsed by the female body does not destroy the entire structure of gay rights, except in the minds of some hysterical, fanatical twats and fools. And, no, it does require you to run out and have sex with a woman. It doesn't require you to do anything at all, except maybe calm your tits.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||May 23, 2023 7:56 PM
*does NOT require you to run out and have sex
|by Anonymous||reply 199||May 23, 2023 7:57 PM
Gay men are repelled by this?
|by Anonymous||reply 200||May 23, 2023 8:13 PM
[quote]No, I don't agree with that at all. Full acceptance comes when society accepts same-sex and opposite-sex relations between consenting adults as being absolutely equally deserving of respect. [bold]Recognising that for many, maybe even the majority (I don't say all) of us, some level of bisexuality is at least potentially possible would be a big step towards that goal, in my opinion.[/bold]
r163 You don't seem to understand that the point I was trying to make was respecting that people who are exclusively same-sex attracted exist and cannot choose to [bold]also[/bold] be attracted to the opposite sex. In the hetero world, they accept that it is possible to be 100% straight. Yet we as gays are supposed to accept that "sexual fluidity" is the [bold]same thing[/bold] as being gay when it's not. We get accused of "gatekeeping" the label gay. Meanwhile, straights are free to gatekeep as much as they want. How, exactly, is that equal?
[quote]Gay people and bisexuals should be allies, they don't actually have any real incompatibilities in their interests.
I have no problem being an ally for bisexuals. In fact, it seems like I, and others who share my views on this matter, are the [bold]only[/bold] ones actually advocating for bisexuals to define themselves as such. "Sexual fluidity" is a pseudoscience term that, ironically, only serves to erase bisexuals. There are only two sexes to choose from. If one is willing to dabble with both in any capacity, even if there is a stronger preference for one sex, they are not "sexually fluid" they are just bisexual. Period.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||May 23, 2023 8:20 PM
So by bisexual porn star, we mean a straight guy who always bottoms and takes Viagra to get hard, right?
|by Anonymous||reply 202||May 23, 2023 8:25 PM
Bottom doesn't have to get hard r202, so if you see bottom with rock hard dick he is prob at least bi
Also we try to not talk about Elliot Finn on DL
|by Anonymous||reply 203||May 23, 2023 8:27 PM
Well I dunno R193/R194, I feel like there's quite a big difference between being repulsed by someone, and merely being not attracted to someone. The former seems like quite an extreme reaction, the human body is really not that scary. But here you are chewing lumps out of the carpet so I'm starting to feel like trying to explain the nuances of language to you might be a lost cause.
R195 You seem like a reasonable guy. You know why I fucked that girl? Mainly curiosity, and so I could say I've tried it. I like trying to expand my boundaries every now and again sexually but apparently this is a war crime for some. Personally, I think that it's a good reminder not to make your sexuality the absolute central and defining aspect of your personality: it always seems to end up in these overwrought persecution complexes where you see conversion therapists behind every tree. Don't despair R201, no-one's going to force you to be something you don't want to be. Cheer up. The war is over. Reagan's dead. You won. Relax.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||May 23, 2023 11:46 PM
That must have been 18 years ago I had sex with that girl and I never did it with another girl since. Hey, I much prefer men, and men are also massively easier. I'm really not sure whether I would do it with another girl. It might be fun again just to see what it feels like, but on the other hand, after spending two decades just fucking men I'd worry she'd find me really bad in bed, and unable to please her, and I wouldn't like all the damage to my ego. Maybe if she was a pretty freaky girl who knew that I was basically more or less gay and would have suitably low expectations of my ability to handle the female body, that would be more or less doable and then I could try and exceed expectations..
|by Anonymous||reply 207||May 23, 2023 11:53 PM
As a gold star gay, I’ve never been with a woman. Serious question for those of you who have experienced being with a woman: does vagina feel better, worse or no different than a male anus?
|by Anonymous||reply 208||May 24, 2023 1:59 AM
R153, So you’re bisexual. That explains all the insecurity and desperation on this thread. How about STFU and leave gay men and lesbians alone, dipshit.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||May 24, 2023 2:05 AM
R198, The "hysterical, fanatical twat" in this instance is you. You can’t accept that you’re bisexual, so you need to impose it on gay men, who otherwise have no interest in your bisexual lecturing on gay male homosexuality.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||May 24, 2023 2:21 AM
[quote]Don't despair [R201], no-one's going to force you to be something you don't want to be. Cheer up. The war is over. Reagan's dead. You won. Relax.
r205 If you're trying to imply that I hold the views that I do on this matter because "I'm from an old generation" you couldn't be more incorrect. I wasn't even born until the tail-end of Reagan's presidency. My childhood was in the 90s.
Nonetheless, I still understand the basic difference between being bisexual and monosexual. Kinsey 0 and 6 are where monosexuals reside. Bisexuals reside in the 1-5 range. You also drive the fact that you're bisexual home at r207 with lines such as:
[quote]men are easier...I'd worry she'd find me really bad in bed, and unable to please her...that would be more or less doable and then I could try and exceed expectations
Sir. These are not the thoughts of a gay man. Gay men don't have "performance anxiety concerns" about sexually pleasing women. Straight and bisexual men do. This is also another reason why it's less believable when non-gold star "gay" men who are more or less Kinsey 4s and 5s call themselves gay as opposed to non-gold star lesbians. It has to do with the difference in social dynamics between the genders.
Men have to [italic]put in a lot more effort[/italic] to get women into bed than vice versa. That is the stark difference between you and me, here. Even if you bought a prostitute, you still spent your own hard-earned money just to have sex with a woman. Men typically do the approaching. I was approached. Men typically have to take the woman out on dates. I was [bold]taken[/bold] out on dates. Men have to jump through several more hoops to make sure she's comfortable enough with him to [bold]allow him[/bold] to have sex with her. I just had to allow him access, even whilst being extremely uncomfortable.
If a so-called out of the closet gay man is willing to through all of these steps just to have sex with a woman and still be able to perform sexually, not only is he not gay but bisexual, but he's also clearly desperate for pussy because, unlike straight men, he has the option to just not bother and stick to men which, in a hilarious turn to this discussion, you have basically admitted is the case in your situation. You're getting pushback here because you are trying to lecture 100% gays on what it means to be gay while not even being 100% gay yourself. Yet somehow, you can't understand why your responses aren't being well-received and instead choose to gaslight others as "overreacting old people." Unreal.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||May 24, 2023 5:06 AM
I imagine vagine feels better than a guy's ass, R208, but since I can't get hard with a woman, it's beside the point.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||May 24, 2023 5:17 AM
So many closeted gay men were able to have marriages and children with women.
You’re saying they’re bisexual and not gay, even though they’ve never had an interest in women?
Gatekeeping sexuality and rejecting spectrum is exactly why young kids thinks there’s 8,000 sexual orientations.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||May 24, 2023 5:18 AM
True, R213. An acquaintance of mine was married and had a child the traditional way, ie. without the help of a turkey baster, but he says that sex with women is repulsive to him. I guess if you're young enough, you can perform under the most challenging circumstances.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||May 24, 2023 5:27 AM
He was from a conservative religious family. His parents believed that living as a gay man was not an acceptable option.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||May 24, 2023 5:29 AM
Maybe we need to put some perspective on this issue. Say we lived in a parallel universe where it was considered normal and socially acceptable to be gay and being straight was condemned as "an abomination." If a "closeted straight man" married a man and had sex with him (as the top) for years before coming out of the closet, admitting he's straight, and then living his straight life being with women only, would you believe he was 100% straight?
|by Anonymous||reply 216||May 24, 2023 5:36 AM
R212, I suspect that is why FTMs have become somewhat popular with gay men. They look like men, and they have an orifice tailor-made for getting penetrated.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||May 24, 2023 5:45 AM
R216, he probably wouldn't be able to get hard enough to be an effective top with a guy, R216. He'd probably be half hard most of the time.
You're assuming the mirror image of R214 exists but I don't take it for granted that it does.
I think the idea of a FTM would probably turn me off, R217. Just a personal preference. Yup, I'm a gold star gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||May 24, 2023 5:51 AM
Those gay men are fakegay. Like those people that go for that FTM blond porn twink, if you're turned on by her naked body with twat you're ass is not gay. You're faking the funk and just need to rep your bisexuality.
R213, those people are in the closet. They do that shit to stay IN THE CLOSET, why are you comparing them to out gay men? The discussion is out gay men who want to fuck women and lie about being bisexual. People will in conservative, religious background feel like they are forced to play a role not at all the same thing as these porn stars who keep saying "wow it's my first time fucking a woman" and all that bs.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||May 24, 2023 5:55 AM
I wonder if the Kinsey scale is truly valid. Even if it is, I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of people are at the exclusively straight end of the spectrum and then the next highest peak is people who are exclusively gay or lesbian, with the least number being truly bisexual. Just my little opinion. You can't ignore cultural influences. Even in the most liberal societies, gays and lesbians still get all kinds of subtle hints that they're not really the equals of heterosexuals. It would be interesting to see what the Kinsey scale would look like if there truly were no judgment about sexual orientation, and straights, gays and lesbians, and bisexuals were all equally valued.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||May 24, 2023 6:10 AM
r218 I suppose, as a lesbian, I'm a bit biased here because I can understand how a closeted 100% lesbian is able to be married to a man and have "normal marital relations" and children for years whilst still being 100% lesbian. This is due to the fact that as women, our sexual arousal is not required for penetrative sex to occur. It most certainly is less pleasant without it, but it's not impossible.
Men, on the other hand, need to get an erection for penetrative sex to be possible. Someone upthread used the term "psychosexual" to explain how the male erection works. I suppose a "mind over matter" argument could be used here for the closet. I will not make any claims to know or understand how the male mind works in that regard, but I will concede that it is possible for some. However, that is not the subject of discussion, here. The argument is that 100% gay people [bold]who are already out of the closet[/bold] can still be 100% gay while having sex with the opposite sex every once in a while. That, to me, is bullshit. They're bisexual.
Exhibit A. These women are bisexual. I don't give a damn what they claim, they're bi. No exceptions. Claiming otherwise is problematic:
|by Anonymous||reply 221||May 24, 2023 6:54 AM
Because OP - sexuality is a spectrum and it's obvious in the industry when you fuck and being fucked by tons of guys there will be tons of guys who are f.e 60-70% into girls 30-40% into guys, there should be a lot of Kinsey 2 guys as it make their work far easier.
- there are far more bisexual men than gay men; we will never have an idea how many bisexual men are out there but its safe to say there are more bi men than straight men willing to do gay pron.
- because bisexual "straight presenting" and muscuar guy is perfect material for model- he has the look and act that turn on self loathing queens, but also since he is into guys its no problem for him to stay hard either as top or bottom, perform rimming, kissing etc. Same can be applied to masculine "jock" gay but because self loathers are turned on by a fact bisexual guy has a girlfriend and fuck girls off camera bis would win.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||May 24, 2023 8:30 AM
There is a wide range of bisexuality as Kinsey showed. There are men who might have had only one male/male sexual experience in their lives, maybe as "innocent" as jerking off with a school mate at age 13, all the way to men who have had only one female/male sexual experience whose sexual experiences have been almost exclusively homosexual. And the same with women. But really, we're not talking about people who fit into those categories. We're talking about people who glide easily from male/male sexual experiences to male/female experiences their entire lives. In our society, people are encouraged to "choose", but choosing to continue to live in a bisexual fashion is not a choice that most heterosexuals or homosexuals are comfortable with. It feels vaguely dishonest. But that's probably just a factor of our culture and not necessarily a world-wide phenomenon.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||May 24, 2023 8:40 AM
[quote]I suspect that is why FTMs have become somewhat popular with gay men.
I see no evidence of that out in the real world. Just Datalounge and Twitter, both full of celibates.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||May 24, 2023 1:44 PM
Personally, I don't see how anyone can NOT be bisexual? Or maybe something else? What I mean is a beautiful built woman or man has to be attractive to the same sex in all honesty. Now if they do something about it is the question.
NO MAN can not see a handsome really built man and say to themselves "what a great looking built guy"
NO WOMAN can not see a beautiful really built woman and say to themselves "what a great looking built woman"....
It is interesting how in our culture, a woman can everyday see a beautiful built woman and say OUT LOUD "wow, that woman is gorgeous and what a body"... But for a man to say the same thing? TOTAL TABOO!...
FOR straight men who watch straight porn. I think the "fact?" is that while they are focusing on the beautiful big breasted woman getting fucked, that if the man in the scene is handsome and built they HAVE TO see this and at least appreciate it and him. They just don't realize it or admit it to themselves. Because seriously straight or not, what straight men wants to see a ugly out of shape man fucking a beautiful woman?! Like I said, their focus is mostly mainly on the woman and the action, but the man in the scene is somewhat important to if they were at all truly honest..
|by Anonymous||reply 225||May 24, 2023 1:45 PM
R225, I think there is a little difference between noticing and getting pleasure out of looking at a beautiful man or woman, and being really sexually attracted to them. Calling that bisexuality is a real stretch. Melissa Etheridge was criticised for publicly stating that a certain man was very attractive (was it Brad Pitt? I forget) but I really doubt she's had any sexual relations with any man since making that comment. Straight guys can enjoy looking at the Apollo Belvedere or the statue of David but that doesn't mean they will ever want to have sex with a guy.
Actually there have been plenty of straight porn videos with very ordinary looking male performers. That's part of the fantasy --- that the regular guy can get the beautiful sexy woman with the great body.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||May 24, 2023 2:43 PM
R211 Actually, I never bought her dinner even once. Hell, I never even bought her a drink. We met at a party and fucked and that was that. Maybe I'm more charming than I think?
R212 Based on my limited experience I can tell you that the vagina is significantly less tight than the ass, hope that helps. I was wearing a condom so I can't give you much more of a review.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||May 25, 2023 3:32 AM
R227, so you just got turned on like a straight guy would? And enjoyed this woman's naked body and genitalia? And how are you not bi, exactly?
|by Anonymous||reply 228||May 25, 2023 3:51 AM
R228 I don't think I got turned on like a straight guy would, but I don't know because I'm not a straight guy. Having sex with her was a nice enjoyable experience but very different from having sex with a man: not just the obvious differences but the smell and taste of the skin, the musculature of the body and so on. With her it was more just a nice sensuous experience, not the gut punch of attraction I'd get with a very attractive man.
But whatever. I said you could probably describe me as a little bit bi. Calling me 'bi' without qualification implies to me someone much more invested in sleeping with women than I am.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||May 25, 2023 4:01 AM
R229, as long as you realize you're not gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||May 25, 2023 2:56 PM
I am probably 99% gay, R230, and you sound like a cultist.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||May 25, 2023 3:00 PM
R231, I'm not the one trying to shame gay men to find women sexually attractive and how wonderful vagina is, bisexual creep.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||May 25, 2023 5:22 PM