I take it Froy and Richard are broken up.

Too muscly, he's losing his twinkish appeal, plus it clashes with his twinky face.

Frog

Frop

Frot

Froy

Get your nasty ass back in this bed.

Right.

Fucking.

Now.

So they’ve broken up because of this one picture the kid’s posted where you can’t even see his nipples?

Saw him a couple of weeks ago and he was looking really great. The bod 🥵

He looks like the bottomiest bottom who ever bottomed.

[quote] He looks like the bottomiest bottom who ever bottomed.

R6 Of course. But don't tell that to the prissy Froy and Madden fans who think Froy is a "dom top" and Rich is a "sub bottom". LOL!

Richard literally liked it you idiot.

R4 OP is a troll. Madden has already liked the post.

Dick is not going to be humiliated by some Mexican boy in heat. Expect Richard to show up unannounced and caged poor Froy.

So our proof of 'together' or 'broken up' or even 'on a break' is based on social media 'likes'?

R11 Yes. It's all we have to go on.

R11 Jeremy Langmead also liked the pic. He is one of Richard's friends.

THIS IS VIOLENCE! LITERAL VIOLENCE!!!!

I heard that Froy serves up chocolate ice cream when he bottoms.

one would think it was beans and rice.

[quote] one would think it was beans and rice.

Yeah, but it comes out more like Rocky Road ice cream when he bottoms.

You‘re not nearly as funny as you think you are, R17

R5, where did you see Froy?

Richard liked a pic on Froy's social? L'amour, l'amour.

I don’t like men with too many muscles.

Frau sisters are analysing the flowers on the hill and debating if it's LA or Mediterranean!! The pic doesn't seem just like a thirst trap due to its resemblance with Richard's post cpl of years ago. So hallelujah gurls, they r still together

Too much chest for me.

It's as if his head were photoshopped on his body.

[quote] Frau sisters are analysing the flowers on the hill and debating if it's LA or Mediterranean!! The pic doesn't seem just like a thirst trap due to its resemblance with Richard's post cpl of years ago. So hallelujah gurls, they r still together

So fraus are fraus for analyzing whether it's LA or the Mediterranean (it's obviously LA), but a pic bearing a slight resemblance to an old Richard selfie and a 'like' proves they're still together? Uh, isn't that rather 'frau-ish' itself?

R19 twice in the sane week actually, both times at gay parties in LA, one was an after hours type thing.

Just because they still like each others posts doesn’t mean they’re still together.

R25 Was that at the queer line dancing nights called "Stud Country" at Club Bahia in LA? Or other events? When you say 'gay parties', are these private events or like clubs/bars?

R26 Richard's friend also liked it.

R28 And that proves what?

¡Froy!

R29 I doubt he would have liked it if Richard and Froy had broken up. He's Richard's friend, not Froy's.

R31 Ok. Just to play devil's advocate, who's to say all their friends even know the state of their current relationship (and whatever that may be)?

No clue of these two are broken up or not. However just because some of these folks met Froy through Richard, doesn’t mean they couldn’t still be friends with Froy if they did split up.

R25 was Froy acting single at these events?

He looks like a young Burt Lancaster in OP's photo.

When Richard and Brandon broke up, they stopped liking each other pics and all richard’s friends started to unfollow him. It happened with Jenna as well, it took him years to follow her back again. He’s like that and if they ever broke up, it’s going to be a similar reaction considering they have been dating for years already. Richard’s dad, his friends and himself are still liking froy’s pics and following him so they are obviously still together. I think during the Citadel premier month, they were told to be more low-key and now they are back to their normal schedule

He looks good, as long as he doesn't move or speak.

R35 why for Citadel and not Eternals though? Madden did like Jenna’s posts after they split and then she unfollowed him, refollowed, unfollowed, so on and so forth until they followed each other again. Madden’s friends and family continued to follow her and like her stuff all this time.

Froy looks a thousand times better than when they went to Italy together, and Richard looks like shit now. They are broken up.

The women were fake bearding PR "relationships."

Huge weight loss, pronounced wrinkles, probably hitting the bottle.

R37 I doubt him and Jenna were ever a couple. The whole liking and unliking on Instagram was probably done by their PR people.

A year ago Richard was in the best shape of his life, and now he looks like shit. Something happened.

Froy was doughy in their beach pics together and now Froy is in the best shape of his life.

Froy was probably stifled living in Richard’s closet so he dough’ed out. Richard loved Froy but only so much as Froy was in his closet. Froy left and now Richard is in a crisis. He’s only 36 but looks 45 in recent photos.

r40 r42

the thing about muscles is that you must have like below 10 percent bodyfat to show them off, especially on the screen.

This turned up on my twitter under recommended😂

R35 & R42 probably should be at least a little embarrassed to know that much detail about these people's lives.

R37 I agree. I personally think it had nothing to do with what Madden's handlers told him and more to do with the fact that they obviously had problems. Maybe they even broke up or took a break for a short period? Either that or they had an argument or something. I have no idea what happened, but something most probably did because they were being weird.

R27 yep that was one of them. Other was one of those circuity warehouse parties downtown. Sorry for my vague wording haha!

Oh ffs... people lose weight and gain weight all the time. It doesn't have to mean they broke up.

“why for Citadel and not Eternals though?” He was ONE out of like 10 characters in a cast full of a listers and now he’s the main character with only one co star. It’s totally different, amazon invested way too much in that Citadel show, it’s one of the most expensive ever so I can see them trying to keep it more low-key for that

Well obviously weight loss would be a stupid rationale for speculating a break up

BUT when combined with Froy going out clubbing without Richard it seems to suggest one

r51

R52.

R51 When did he go clubbing without Richard? Receipts please.

r53

R54 From another Froy thread on here. There’s Froy, another guy, and Zane Phillips is in front of that guy.

R56 Thanks. Froy is allowed to go out with friends. He was constantly seen out and about with friends even when we knew Froy and Madden were together. I still think they are. Call me crazy. I know there's no proof, just my gut feeling. I can't explain the lack of likes over the past few months, maybe they were asked to tone it down or they were going trough something. Either way it doesn't matter because they seem to be back to normal now. It has been said before: Madden has a pattern. I think they would have stopped liking each other's posts and unfollowed each other if they had really broken up. Same with Madden's friends. Everything seems ok now.

I think they’ve broken up. None of Froys new friends follow Richard. Zane doesn’t follow Richard - to me that says a lot.

TBF Froy never followed any of Richard's castmates even though we know they were there together in the UK and Spain and Richard never followed any of Froy's castmates when they were living together in Dallas and went to the same Halloween party. On the other side Richard's new stylist and Froy followed each other a couple of days ago.

The stylist also just followed Zane lol

Couples have separate friends. It happens. Shocking, I know.

If you want to think they've broken up, fine, that's your prerogative. I think they are still together. Froy hasn't changed at all. Back when we knew they were together we saw Froy hang out with his friends without Madden. This is nothing new. Those who want them to break up or think they have broken up use this as proof. It is no more proof than likes and follows on Instagram. I personally think Madden and Froy are still together. Time will tell who is right.

In theory, if Richard and Zane were to get in a fistfight over Froy, who would win?

Can anyone who knows his stuff please weigh in if this looks like roid neck? Pity if it is.

R31 Jeremy langmead still likes Brandon Flynn’s posts so I wouldn’t read too much into his likes.

[quote] Froy hasn't changed at all. Back when we knew they were together we saw Froy hang out with his friends without Madden. This is nothing new. [quote] He was constantly seen out and about with friends even when we knew Froy and Madden were together.

Wrong. We really did not see Froy with his own friends during his time with Madden. In fact, we talked about that incessantly here, that he pretty much abandoned his own social circle for Madden's world...to the point his own friends were commenting on his few instagram posts at the time how much they missed him. Froy's patterns and behaviors, particularly through social media, absolutely have changed since he's been with Madden. He went from a very out-going, effervescent, fem boy who was a very active social media user with a robust social circle to becoming a near recluse, butching it up, and living inside Madden's social circle pretty exclusively as they lived nearly attached at the hip for several years. We are now seeing Froy on his own in Los Angeles, with a whole new social circle actually of his own (and mainly LGBTQ+ men and women), engaging in the local gay scene, and he's fairly active on social media again, including posting shirtless selfies. Does it mean a breakup? No, not necessarily. But it is a major, and obvious, change from the last several years. So yes, it absolutely is new.

[quote] It has been said before: Madden has a pattern. I think they would have stopped liking each other's posts and unfollowed each other if they had really broken up. Same with Madden's friends. Everything seems ok now.

And Froy has patterns, and his current online behavior is deviating slowly but surely from that. Also, people can still 'like' posts without having to cut people out of their lives. It doesn't mean much of anything, either way. As said above, people from both Richard and Froy's pasts still 'like' things they post, and they in turn do the same. Froy has even added back a number of folks he stopped following from his past. Also, not every break up/temporary split is a lock-down-drag-out kind of situation. People can still be on good terms after something changes or ends.

Also, who is to say their actual relationship has even been entirely monogamous this whole time?

[quote] “why for Citadel and not Eternals though?” He was ONE out of like 10 characters in a cast full of a listers and now he’s the main character with only one co star. It’s totally different, amazon invested way too much in that Citadel show, it’s one of the most expensive ever so I can see them trying to keep it more low-key for that

Madden was one of the two biggest leads for Eternals, along with Gemma Chan, and they were the center of all the marketing, globally. And both projects cost a ridiculous fortune. Highly doubt Amazon would care that much over a corporation like Disney if they were so concerned about an obvious twink boyfriend. Also, Citadel, while doing well enough, isn't exactly this massive success that is the center of the culture right now, compared to other things getting way more press and attention.

See, an expert has spoken.

All the WeHo tops are acting like rabid dogs now that word got out Froy is in town. Richard’s boy is a hot piece of ass and everyone want to be the one that one-up Richard fucking Madden. .

If Madden is still in the running for Bond I can see Broccoli demanding a lower social media presence. A gay Bond would not sell in the lucrative and essential Asian and Chinese markets.

FFS He isn’t going to be Bond

Froy and Gus Kenworthy now follow each other on instagram. How funny.

Ain't getting any prettier or younger.

R72 Which one?

Kenworthy does look a bit like Madden.

R74 Just a little? ;)

[quote] Froy and Gus Kenworthy now follow each other on instagram. How funny.

I actually do find it funny, because they're both BOTTOMS.

Mutual admiration society?

[quote] Mutual admiration society?

Double-ended dildo society?

I'm aFroyd so, OP.

Do you think Richard would make a grand romantic gesture to get him back?

[quote] Do you think Richard would make a grand romantic gesture to get him back?

Froy is tainted. He's been whoring around lately.

Basically, used goods.

Not only that, but Richard is too focused on his career to have to deal with Froy's demands.

Richard has not and will not come out any time soon, because he wants to be a big(ger) star, and not even Froy's ass will stop him from achieving that goal. Not to mention that Richard's agent and handlers have a lot to say about it too.

It's abundantly clear to Froy that Richard's career takes priority in his life, and Froy is #2. Maybe even #3 and #4 behind Richard's family and friends.

Richard would like to have it all, but if he can't, well then... he's okay with them not being together.

That's why Froy left to go whore with some new guy.

Meanwhile, Richard will keep climbing the A-list ladder, and Froy will be... a D-list footnote in Hollywood.

Richard probably knows he isn’t going to be A list now that he has two turkeys in a row and he’s yoked to a second season of turkey two.

He had hoped to get up to a Henry Cavill or Jake Gyllenhaal tier but he’s on more of a Henry Golding tier.

Henry Golding is nothing.

He's a C-list CW actor.

Richard is miles above Henry Golding, in terms of status.

[quote] twice in the sane week actually, both times at gay parties in LA, one was an after hours type thing.

[quote] yep that was one of them. Other was one of those circuity warehouse parties downtown. Sorry for my vague wording haha!

R25 R48 Wait, woah... Froy be attending circuit parties now? Damn. He's into that scene...???!!! 😮😮😮 You can't leave us hanging now.

I guess those rumors on reddit might have been true...

Richard wants a twink bottom.

Not a PASS AROUND BOTTOM, like Froy.

I would say he’s the same as Henry Golding right now.

Let’s say Henry Cavill and Jake Gyllenhaal are A- list

Then there is a B+ list where I’d put Nicholas Hoult, Jamie Dornan, and the like

Richard should be there

I don’t think he’s there

I think he’s in the B list with Henry Golding

[quote] Do you think Richard would make a grand romantic gesture to get him back?

Why? From Hollywood ingénues, to Instagram Whores, a man like Richard Madden can, and will, have his pick of any pretty boy twink on the planet. Easily. There's probably already a whole list lined up, willing to comply with Madden's lifestyle, and be his next dirty little secret. Froy will learn exactly what Brandon did... that "toxic men with good dick" always trade in for a younger model.

R86, that doesn't matter if he really loves the boy...Time will tell... Either way, I want Froy to be happy and safe (don't really care about Richard).

Kid is doing roids (pretty evident from the bulging traps and shoulders) and this means that he is riding dicks left and right.

R80 and R86 are spot on. Gay relationships at a certain high social level work just like straight ones. Actors, lawyers and high value men don't choose instagram whores and pass around bottoms for seriuos commitment, they like guys/twinks who are not "talked about" and have a rather "clean" sexual curriculum. Froy has wasted his value now by whoring around WeHo basically, and Richard can have all the younger twinks he wants.

OK R88, whatever.

Call me a tinhat, I still think Madden and Froy are dating. I think they have an open relationship though.

Citadel opening is winding down. Bond is probably a no go. No Gladiator. Froy has a movie out soon.

Prob time to open up a bit and get his face out there and R does not have to be as concerned as before.

[quote] that doesn't matter if he really loves the boy...Time will tell...

If he really loved the boy in the way you kids have made it out to be some Hallmark romance, both their lives would probably be very different right now. Especially Madden's. As R88 said, men like Richard Madden are really no different than their straight counterparts. Their priorities are other things, and that's why they like 'em young (dumb, and full of cum), and eventually trade in for younger, as their status allows them the pick of whatever they want...and in turn, it lines up right back for them. Who's to say Froy or Brandon were any different?

[quote] Kid is doing roids (pretty evident from the bulging traps and shoulders) and this means that he is riding dicks left and right.

R88 According to some above, he's attending circuit parties. So...

[quote] I think they have an open relationship though.

Wouldn't be surprising at all. Probably has been that way longer than we know.

What does this “Froy” do?

[quote] What does this “Froy” do?

Why, he's the future Mrs Richard Madden.

[quote] What does this “Froy” do?

R93 You mean besides regularly ride Richard Madden's notoriously large Scottish cock... he's an actor. He's also tried his hand at music.

Who knew they would last this long. Good for them. Must be true love.

Froy is a moron. What's he getting out of this relationship? And don't tell me it's love. If it was love Richard wouldn't have him in the closet and pretend like he doesn't know him.

Richard's star is on the rise but Froy isn't getting any of the benefits of that.

They're both young and sexy, so they'll both land on their feet!

[quote] Richard's star is on the rise

WAS

Was.

richard's star is on the median.

[quote] richard's star is on the median.

froy's star is on the.... oh, wait.

froy isn't a star.

Froy actually has more opportunities as an out actor then as a closeted actor

Nicholas Galitzine is getting cast in lots of things right now because they are gay roles

Froy could take advantage of that as he’s not exactly making headway in straight roles

R102 - Yep. Better than nothing.

I wonder what type of roles Froy’s after. Surely if he was open to doing indie pictures, he’d have made something in the last few years. Is he getting jacked expecting action roles? Maybe he’s getting jacked expecting to be “kept”, which is definitely an enviable life.

[quote] I wonder what type of roles Froy’s after.

I’m guessing sub?

[quote] I wonder what type of roles Froy’s after. Surely if he was open to doing indie pictures, he’d have made something in the last few years. Is he getting jacked expecting action roles? Maybe he’s getting jacked expecting to be “kept”, which is definitely an enviable life.

R104 I've wondered about the same as well. What kind of roles does he really want...or expect to get? I know he's tried for several things that included music, like that short-lived country music drama. And he's networked with the Broadway types. Then, he seems to have auditioned for that Tom Hardy biker movie that's eventually coming out (as I think that's what got him into motorcycles). He didn't get any of those. Basically he's booked one project a year, where he seems to get less than 5 minutes of screentime. I too thought he should have been doing smaller indie stuff in the last few years, but instead he seemed to be attached to Madden 24/7. I kept bringing up that his priorities seemed off, and that he was losing the momentum he had pre-2020, but fans threw a fit at the mention of such.

As for bulking up, I think it's just typical gay body image pressure, as well as industry standards for young actors. Especially with all them going for those superhero movies now. Or maybe it's just vanity. According to the rumor mill, he started working out more heavily in 2019 because he supposedly "liked the attention he was getting from it" according to those in-the-know. Considering who he's been fucking, it's clearly worked. Maybe it also had to do with body image issues, as he was the typical supper skinny twink type most of his youth. Most of them seem to struggle with that as they get older, so they try to get bigger.

"Considering who he's been fucking"

Who has he been fucking?

[quote] Froy actually has more opportunities as an out actor then as a closeted actor Nicholas Galitzine is getting cast in lots of things right now because they are gay roles. Froy could take advantage of that as he’s not exactly making headway in straight roles

R102 That's an interesting thought. He isn't exactly the most convincing hetero in the roles he's played so far. His naturally effeminate nature always kind of seeps through. Then again, I don't think he's played any gay roles on screen yet. So it'd be really interesting to see if that comes more natural to him. Something tells me he'd pull that off far better.

[quote] Froy is a moron. What's he getting out of this relationship? And don't tell me it's love. If it was love Richard wouldn't have him in the closet and pretend like he doesn't know him. Richard's star is on the rise but Froy isn't getting any of the benefits of that.

R97 Finally, someone sees it. That's the kicker. Other than maybe some networking behind the scenes, the whole relationship with Richard isn't exactly making him into this big star like all the fraus and fangirls were so adamant it would. If anything, it's stalled his progress. For awhile there, it was almost like he was more interested in being Madden's reclusive sugar baby than actually working. The only thing its done is make him notorious amongst social media gays. And he doesn't even take advantage of that.

[quote] Who has he been fucking?

R107 A Scottish dungeon master with a penchant for submissive twinks.

R109 Oh Kk! I thought there was a rumor about someone else since Madden.

R110 Well, the rumor mill is also discussing him possibly hooking up with Zane Phillips. And there's the person above who says he's attending circuit parties, etc.

Froy didn't look all that big when he was line dancing. Don't go by that picture.

Where can one see this…Froy?

Primarily on DL, R113. He really isn't a celebrity anywhere else.

R113 Apparently where the young gay Hollywood people are.

R112 Yeah, his selfies are always a bit questionable. He's been doing something to them since like 2019, whether it be using filters or facetune. He often makes his lips look smaller and thinner, his jaw wider, and his neck even wider. But when you see him filmed, it never quite matches. Some fans have even argued back and forth if he's had work done.

R113 Primarily in Richard Madden's London dungeon in his stable of sub twinks. Other than that, Instagram is a good start.

R116 It actually just looks to me like the angle makes his chest and shoulders look huge compared to his head. Yes he's been working out, working with a trainer, but in other photos his body looks more normally proportioned.

(And in the line dancing video)

Froy's a whore.

A dirty little whore.

And I like it.

R117 Yeah, the boy definitely uses angles to his advantage. If you notice, a lot of his selfies now are only at certain angles. He was far less self-conscious about it years ago.

[quote]Some fans have even argued back and forth if he's had work done.

I'm sure.

Is this like...an A.I. generated person?

No this is an AI generated person

So sad

I’m verklempt

Brah join us in Monaco- it's hot 'n cold running millionaires!

The elder has removed a profile that's been posted for years...the younger one still has their's.

R128 What is this referring to?

R128 is trying to be annoyingly cryptic, but I'm thinking it's either a Grindr profile, or something sex related.

Meaning that Richard deleted his Grindr profile when he got together with Froy, but Froy the WHORE didn't delete his hookup profile.

I doubt either one of them deleted any Grindr/hookup profile, then or now. ;)

He went linedancing with Zane again

The 3 gay boys in front are hot! Glad to see Froy's 25 year old self is having fun and not stifled!

Richard’s ego must have been colossal to suppress Froy like that.

You fraus have no idea how most gay relationships work.

Richard has removed his profile after they BOTH had it active during the relationship. Froy's is still there.

I dare say they are broken up. Perhaps F was tired of the closet and since 'chard is not ever going to be an A lister, he's dumped him.

He wants to be seen in that video. They are right up at the stage!

Maybe 'chard blames him for losing Bond with the pool and pizza pics in VB.

It seems Froy wants his rainbow to fly and out Zane is on the same wavelength - unlike Ruchard. Now, Froy should do a gay movie like Zane.

*Richard

[quote] Richard has removed his profile after they BOTH had it active during the relationship. Froy's is still there.

And how do you know that? You keep making the claim but provide no proof.

You are also the travel troll that makes up these stories about where "R" and "F" are. We all remember you from past threads where you would say F is on yachts with old rich European men.

nah, got f was in spain before the pic on the boat. believe me or not. i do not care.

i also have andrew mattamazeo's owtf his name is. brandon's...who deleted his after the breakup.

kinda simple if you know their exact location.

begone, frau!

R140 Oh please. I'm furthest thing from a frau. I'm the one that usually calls out the fraus here. You just make claims - great ones, with a fabulous imagination - but unfounded ones and provide nothing like the rest of us that try to link to a pic or something. You've done this for the past three years here. Again, just give us something to go on. That's all.

and if i provided the proof, the proof would be gone in a heartbeat.

Fucking whore.

Zane is hot so good for Froy!

It looks like Froy actually did what you guys said Richard was going to do to him

Replace him with a younger partner with a better body

Well done, Froylan.

👆Yep! Team Froy! Froy and Zane are hot too👍

Froy and Zane being very affectionate.

R147!! Woot! Yes! Love it! 👐❤️

Thanks R147! and that's that! Froy and Zane are a thing now and they DGAF. Love it!

More PDA in those few secs with Zane than 3+ years with Richard 👀

[quote] Froy and Zane are a thing now and they DGAF

I would prefer that they DIAGF.

Gay line dancing looks boring af.

[quote] More PDA in those few secs with Zane than 3+ years with Richard 👀

R150 BOOM! That says everything, doesn't it. Good for him.

[quote] It looks like Froy actually did what you guys said Richard was going to do to him Replace him with a younger partner with a better body Well done, Froylan.

R145 Bingo. And it's lovely to see. Good for Froy. He deserves someone who he can love openly, and show it. And vice versa. The closet always takes its toll. I'm sure Madden will be on to the next young thing shortly.

[quote] Richard’s ego must have been colossal to suppress Froy like that.

R134 Many of us were saying this, but the fangirls would throw a fit and deny it. I can only imagine how their heads must be exploding right now... ;)

Define “openly”. Seen in an LA club on gay line dancing night? Froy didn’t post this. He hasn’t come out yet.

...Before you start dancing in the streets.

[quote] Define “openly”. Seen in an LA club on gay line dancing night? Froy didn’t post this.

Openly...as in a public space, where people can video and photograph (and they know it)...let alone a gay public space. We never saw anything like this with Froy and Richard, let alone in public gay clubs.

[quote] He hasn’t come out yet.

Nobody said he did. But clearly he's not hiding like before.

Well, that was his choice, just like this is. I’s okay to be closeted if that’s your choice. Either way is okay.

*It’s

[quote] Well, that was his choice,

Was it? How do you know?

R159 You don’t think he controls his own life and his choices?

R160 I'm sure he does. But sometimes choices isn't so cut and dry. I think it's clear that to be with Madden, you have to do certain things a certain way. We saw that change in Froy compared to before. Was it his choice? I'm sure. But who knows what was also weighing on that choice. Already we're seeing a difference. Same with Brandon.

R161 Froy seemed happy, he even said he was happy so who am I to judge? It’s easy to fall into the “blame Madden for everything” hole. He’s always painted as an oppressor. But didn’t Froy take a break from social media because people started commenting too much on his relationship and he didn’t want to deal with it? He was publicly closeted then and still is “officially.” (Though maybe not much longer.) Anyway I don’t know the details but it bothers me to make a good guy-bad-guy thing out of it.

R162 Well, we're all just playing a big guessing game from the outside looking in. But I don't think it's unfair to look at certain patterns with these guys, before they were together, during their time together, and then after, and have some thoughts about it. Especially when one person is considerably older, has more power/fame/wealth/etc., and thus the stakes are higher for said person.

[quote] Froy seemed happy, he even said he was happy so who am I to judge?

Sure. But happiness probably wasn't the only emotion felt all that time. Life is nuanced. As is love.

[quote] But didn’t Froy take a break from social media because people started commenting too much on his relationship and he didn’t want to deal with it?

Nowhere was it confirmed that his break, or overall pullback, from using social media was based on that. That was just an idea that certain fans come up with. But he was also the one (out of the two) teasing it the most the first two years, with love songs posts, liking posts by fans about them, etc. He clearly wasn't shy about the whole thing.

[quote] He was publicly closeted then and still is “officially.”

Sure. But that's becoming very transparent at this point with anyone with a set of eyes. Basically non-existent without saying it.

My experience seeing closeted gay actors around LA is that they will go to gay bars, almost recklessly at times. Admittedly that was before most people had video cameras. But they will go to both parties and bars somewhat randomly, without any plans to come out publicly.

By video cameras I meant phones

Again I don’t know much, but just guessing, Froy isn’t some really hot actor at the moment so he’s probably not as concerned as Richard about career vs personal life. Does anyone, even Richard, really want to be closeted? It’s just that he caught on as a heat throb for women and now he’s stuck with it, and probably afraid to lose his whole career if he were to be honest about his lifestyle. Froy is more in career limbo between having been a minor teen heart throb and now...what?

Prior to Richard's sightings holding hands with Brandon Flynn, everyone assumed he was straight.

Then more photos came out with Richard and Brandon, and people started to think he was bisexual. And I don't think Richard seemed to care, otherwise he would never have let those photos get out.

Then Richard came out of the closet even more when he started being photographed doing EVERYTHING with Froy.

Interestingly, it's only after he started becoming serious with Froy, that Richard became more closeted. Little by little, he covered his tracks with the paparazzi and on social media, to the point now that you wouldn't even know that they were ever a couple.

Something happened after Richard got together with Froy.

I don't know if it's because Richard started getting more job offers, or Richard started gaining in popularity, but he went from heading towards coming out - to heading back IN the closet.

It's so weird.

Eternals and Bond possibly and then getting Citadel.

Does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

That's showbiz kids!

I wonder who the next kept celebrity twunk will be

when was Richard photographed doing everything with Froy

I can only think of a few photos of them in public ever.

[quote] when was Richard photographed doing everything with Froy

It was on their social media which was all converted to "private."

Richard went back in the closet, and he made Froy go in the closet too.

R173 I was not aware of that. Were in pictures together or just separate photos in the same places?

*Were they

[quote] It was on their social media which was all converted to "private."

R173 Um, Richard never really posted anything on his social media regarding Froy. Ever. In fact, he had basically turned away from even using his social media even before Froy.

When Froy posted, he never included or tagged Richard in anything. It was only fans "in the know" who were able to discern that these were locations where they were together.

They did, and still somewhat do, 'like' each others posts on instagram though.

[quote] when was Richard photographed doing everything with Froy

R171 He really wasn't. At least not "everything" together. There were a few moments where they were papped together in the first year and half. After that, hardly anymore pap pics, except for a couple times, but by then, those pics were uploaded to pap sites (like backgrid), but were never formally published in the press.

[quote] Um, Richard never really posted anything on his social media regarding Froy. Ever. In fact, he had basically turned away from even using his social media even before Froy.

You're wrong.

Richard was even posting pictures of Froy with Richard's FAMILY on holidays.

Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about.

Here's one in Mexico.

In London.

R177 R178 The one that is wrong is you. I know exactly what I'm talking about, and anyone who has actually paid attention the last few years would also know - Richard Madden NEVER posted those pap pics on his formal social media pages. NEVER once. Unless you live in an alternate reality, or have access to some private "finsta" account that nobody knows about. But his public pages never once had a mention or image of Froy...let alone pap pics, of all things, considering Richard Madden hates paps.

In the car..

On the street.

In Italy

Yes, we know about all these pap pics. We've discussed them ad nauseam here for nearly 3 years. Nobody is denying they were papped.

[quote] Nobody is denying they were papped

But Richard is denying they're a couple.

When did Froy ever admit they were a couple?

[quote] When did Froy ever admit they were a couple?

Yeah, because it's not like we have eyes or anything.

They Wes papped several times with approval.

Glass closet guys work this way: Fraus will see buddies hanging out and everyone else knows they’re together.

R186 Your point?

[quote] When did Froy ever admit they were a couple?

Because it's perfectly normal for some big British star to take some nobody D-list American actor on vacation with him and his parents to Mexico.

Nope. Nothing to see here at all!

It was bound to happen eventually. Richard is never going to come out of the closet, and that being the case, he needs to stop dating other actors because it requires them to keep a low profile and once they realize their own career is stalling as a result, they bounce. It will happen again and again until he stops dating people who are in the industry.

Zane’s a catch, so good for Froy.

R186, R187 and R190 nailed it! The devil's advocates, who are *still* in denial, are just delusional at this point. The closet hurts and sucks! I am so glad Froy is his happy, free self now with Zane! Richard can go do what he does with his next closet twink for Bond. I still like him too and wish him the best!

I’m kinda thinking Richard may be getting off on dating other actors and forcing them to stay in the closet.

I mean the person above makes a good point, he would probably best be served by finding some nobody who would just be happy to spend his money. He doesn’t want that. He wants another actor as a mirror so he can subconsciously reenact his own closeted journey.

If Richard’s boyfriends’ careers stall as a result of keeping a low profile, why doesn’t Richard’s? It doesn’t seem to do him any harm.

By the way, all this time Froy was with Richard he could have been on social media to his heart’s content. Posting selfies like he does doesn’t reveal you’re in a relationship. All he usually ever posted before were selfies, anyway. he didn’t need to stop.

And he did do those Fendi ads and things like that. He also was on several magazine covers and in cover stories. he also did a V series. By the way, before he was with Richard he had not done any of those for several years. (TV series, or magazine photo shoots.) I shake my head because it’s like you guys just twist reality to suit your scenarios of Richard keeping Froy locked away.

Froy also deleted his winter account. I doubt anyone forced him to.

*Twitter account

[quote] The devil's advocates, who are *still* in denial, are just delusional at this point. The closet hurts and sucks!

I don't think most of us here are denying any of it. And some of us have been saying how destructive the closet is for years in these threads, and how we were noticing a change in Froy that wasn't exactly positive. But the Madden fans would always throw a fit.

[quote] They Wes papped several times with approval.

R157 Yep. And that's what's interesting, in that someone's team was clearly calling the paps in the first year or so. After that, nothing. Total change of strategy. And even the last two times they were papped together, none of the pics with Froy were published in the media (though other pics from those very trips were). Something changed in there.

[quote] If Richard’s boyfriends’ careers stall as a result of keeping a low profile, why doesn’t Richard’s? It doesn’t seem to do him any harm.

Isn't the answer obvious? Because Richard is already the bigger, higher-profile star. He's got top tier reps, and mainstream male lead roles under his belt. And awards. He's got the bigger career, so he's already ahead of these fledgling twink actors he likes to date.

[quote] By the way, all this time Froy was with Richard he could have been on social media to his heart’s content. Posting selfies like he does doesn’t reveal you’re in a relationship. All he usually ever posted before were selfies, anyway. he didn’t need to stop.

And that's exactly what so many of us were saying all these years. That Froy should have been working his social media more aggressively (like nearly all his peers), especially during the pandemic...but he didn't. He pulled back even more to the point of being almost reclusive. Hmmm, wonder why? And now, this year, he slowly starts using it more, like the old days.

[quote] And he did do those Fendi ads and things like that. He also was on several magazine covers and in cover stories. he also did a V series. By the way, before he was with Richard he had not done any of those for several years. (TV series, or magazine photo shoots.) I shake my head because it’s like you guys just twist reality to suit your scenarios of Richard keeping Froy locked away.

Nobody's twisting reality. We're just observing the changes from before Madden, to during...and now (possibly) after. There are noticeable differences. And something that was discussed regarding Brandon as well. It's not implausible to think Madden has more pull in his relationships given the obvious factors.

As for getting a few covers, who's to say he wouldn't have gotten that without Madden. They weren't exactly the most prestigious publications, most of which his similar acting peers also all got.

I dated a closeted guy in the past. It was kind of paranoia inducing and soul crushing, particularly as he would totally ignore me in public. Not recommended.

R197 has it right. Richard had already reached a certain level of fame before he was rumored to be dating men or spotted with them. And he had at least one publicly known relationship with a woman before that which gives him plausible deniability (personally I think he actually is bi, though I’m not totally sure about that).

The guys he’s dated aren’t at that level yet. That having been said, I don’t think the low profile actually HELPS Richard much; his projects would probably be bigger hits if he was more accessible. It only really helps him in terms of casting because that’s where the bias against openly queer actors is — casting agents and execs who think uncloseted actors aren’t believable in straight roles and so perpetuate that cycle. Those types probably respect Richard more for being low key.

The ironic thing is I think Richard got most of his ardent female fans from his one gay role in ROCKETMAN. The girlies went wild for him kissin’ Taron even though his character was the villain. I think if he’d come out of the closet at that time it would have limited his casting opportunities but he’d still have a legion of fangirls.

It’s the straight male audience he hasn’t been able to really capture, not because they suspect he’s queer (they are too clueless for that) but because he’s too pretty and it threatens them. Kit Harington hasn’t been able to make that crossover either, for the same reason, even though he is straight. Straight men like their action stars to be unpretty a la Chris Pratt and/or lacking in any onscreen sexual chemistry with another human being a la Tom Cruise.

Wow, I didn’t realize Richard Madden (who I had never even heard of before he started a relationship with Froy) was such a huge, huge star he didn’t need social media.

… most people would agree Chris Pratt when in shape was very pretty.

We can’t all go by your bizarre aesthetic tastes.

[quote] It was bound to happen eventually. Richard is never going to come out of the closet, and that being the case, he needs to stop dating other actors because it requires them to keep a low profile and once they realize their own career is stalling as a result, they bounce. It will happen again and again until he stops dating people who are in the industry.

R190 Exactly. Everyone said it would do wonders for Froy, and that clearly didn't happen. Didn't happen for Brandon either. I guess we'll have too see if there's a pattern with the next person he dates, especially if they're a young twink actor with a smaller career. As for Richard, it's not doing anything for his career either. Hell, he might actually have a presence if he wasn't so reclusive, let alone so closeted.

[quote] I’m kinda thinking Richard may be getting off on dating other actors and forcing them to stay in the closet. I mean the person above makes a good point, he would probably best be served by finding some nobody who would just be happy to spend his money. He doesn’t want that.

R192 I think that's a very astute observation. And certainly a possibility. Maybe there's some element of power and control going on with him (hence the age gaps)...or on the flip-side, some kind of stunted element to him (emotionally).

[quote] He wants another actor as a mirror so he can subconsciously reenact his own closeted journey.

R192 Damn. Now that's something.

Richard must be pretty conflicted, like all actors who’ve even been closeted. At this point, in his mid-30s, it’s probably his last chance at becoming a star, and since he worked for it for many years, he wouldn’t want to mess it up. I think you can see the conflict in his eyes, he doesn’t really look relaxed or happy when you look at his face, really.

You mean a man who is surgically attached to a vape pen doesn’t seem relaxed or happy?

R295 Well as someone who has had a few addictions myself I can’t judge anyone on that.

[quote] I think you can see the conflict in his eyes, he doesn’t really look relaxed or happy when you look at his face, really.

R204 observed the same. He just seems so guarded all the time. It's in the eyes in photos. It's in the body language during interviews. His red carpet interviews look like walking anxiety. He barely does press.

The weird thing is I've heard Madden fans say that before he started dating the twinks, he was actually quite funny and open in interviews, was very snarky on social media, and he used it fairly often. From Brandon on, it's like he withdrew and went inside himself.

Yeah Richard really closed down in interviews after a reporter tried to out him when he was with Brandon. He handled it well — didn’t deny it, just said he never talks about who he dates — but he withdrew a lot after that.

[quote]He wants another actor as a mirror so he can subconsciously reenact his own closeted journey.

I'm single!

The words like dates and dating are funny to me, when people are in heavy relationships fans refer to it as “dating”.

R210 hard to know what else to call it when people won’t admit they are in a relationship but are clearly together

R210 Yeah, at a certain point, 'dating' is a funny word. So what else should we call it... "routine fucking"?

R211 how about “in a relationship”?

Exactly R213, since it is just as assuming as "dating" (they haven't admitted to that either), but appear exclusive.

That’s the problem though. If all you know is that the two people are spotted together in public sometimes, who knows what the relationship actually is? Is it exclusive? Are they just fucking? We don’t know, all we know is they took a walk together or went into a restaurant together, etc. Hence, “dating”

R215 We know Richard and Brandon lived together yet people are still saying they “dated”.

I’ve been the “Froy” before now; ie, I was in a relationship with a manager where I worked and he wasn’t out. Basically, everything had to be secretive, we couldn’t be seen in public; if I went into a shop he’d stay in the car and he’d drop me off half a mile from work. If I saw him at work he’d basically blank me. Social media was just becoming a thing and I couldn’t put anything on it that might link me to him. It was pretty horrible and he ended up being a grumpy fuck most the time. Ironically he did come out a while after we broke up and probably didn’t need to conduct future relationships with CIA level precision, but I definitely suffered a bit of collateral damage from that one.

I don't think the terminology is that serious. Typically, when people are in a relationship, up to the point of engagement, and eventually marriage, the term 'dating' is often used (quite liberally, of course). Doesn't deny that a solid, real relationship is happening, in whatever stage of said relationship.

R217 I wonder if that’s how Hunter felt if he went out with Froy, since Froy has been a closeted actor for years as well.

R219 I doubt it. Froy was a lot less closeted back then. Of course, he's never actually acknowledged his sexuality (whatever it is) publicly (yet)...but back then, there were tons of image and videos of Froy and Hunter (and all their respective families and friends) on social media all the time, particularly from each other's own accounts. If you had eyes, and put 2 and 2 together, it was obvious what was going on. They weren't shy...at all. If they were hiding, it was in plain sight.

So do we call them “roommates” as conservative media does? Very 1950s! Basically there’s not much you can stste in print regarding their relationship legally without a confirmation other than “they are seen together sometimes walking out of places”

Just watched Fire Island out of curiosity and Zane is hot! Beautiful face, legs, ass and great kisser! Highlight of the movie! Froy definitely moved up with Zane👍 Froy also has a type it seems (Zane reminds me of a younger Richard circa GOT days).

R221 Nobody was talking about what you could state legally in print.

When I was a teen or in my 20s dating meant you were going out on dates but there was no relationship. The person was not a boyfriend or girlfriend. You dated a person but also probably dated other people. “Going out” meant they were seeing each other more exclusively. “Boyfriend” or “girlfriend” meant it was exclusive. So did “relationship”.

R224, by your logic - Froy and Richard were in a relationship. Froy and Zane are definitely dating and might be in a new relationship. Time will tell.

Didn’t Zane also go to the club recently with Nico Greetham?

Yeah R226, back in April

Is Froy’s career in the closet as well? Is that why nobody knows who this person is?

maybe he has the new hocus pocus gig and will be a disney gay.

Considering the way they went with the HP2 (none of the originals other than the 3 witches), I highly doubt any of the cast from the second will be in the third. And it's not like the teen characters played much of a memorable role anyway...and certainly not Froy's 2 seconds of screentime.

I kinda hope they’re still together. Maybe one day the sex tape will leak. We can but hope.

Oh Sam @r209 we all know you’re just an ordinary guy! You told us.

R228, You sure are curious enough about who Froy is to bother to read and comment about him.

No clue who these people are but he's just "meh"

Thank you for bringing some scarcely needed ignorance to the thread r234!

Did someone piss in your Wheaties R235? What's so upsetting about my post? He's meh, my opinion, and I don't know who these two are. You sound awfully crabby.

It makes me feel a little sad if they have broken up and I don't really know why. I'm not particularly a fan of either and only dip into these threads occasionally, yet I'm all 'aww'. Strange.

Does Froy have a personality, or a job? How can he afford to just do nothing for years? Is a professional kept boy or escort?

R238 - Froy has an adorable personality and his family has money.

Froy has a film coming out in August - The Strangers 2023. He plays Ryan. He has been doing one project per year.

[quote] Is a professional kept boy

R238 I think you just answered your own question.

The whole "Richard and Froy passionate love affair for the ages" is really just a construct of the each other's ridiculous fanbases that live vicariously through them and the fantasy. The truth of what their relationship has actually been all this time is probably something else entirely, especially given the factors and circumstances.

[quote] How can he afford to just do nothing for years?

Good question. Well, since he books about 1 acting gig a year (and many actors are paid far less these days, with many admitting they can barely pay their rents...and that's coming from actors who work fairly regularly), my guess is he gets support from 'other' means... as said above, his family, I think his father, have serious money...

Oh, and then there's also his taste in older, richer, well-connected men.

R239 what type of money? Like an upper middle class doctor in flyover Indiana won’t be able to afford rent in a nice part of LA for their adult spawn. So, when you say they have money, are you talking in a SoCal/NYC sense or just upper middle class money?

R241 your take makes sense, thanks for answering.

When people say folks have money I’d image he’d be like Patrick Schwarzenegger, rich enough to occasionally act, but his main job is take hard dick from his secrete hot boyfriends. His real daddy (and mommy) help keep a roof over his head.

R242: Wealthy.

R242 His mom’s a teacher (or was) and they live in an average looking but nice house, not big. Wouldn’t guess they’re wealthy. Solid middle class, not struggling.

R245: What does his father do for a living? Teachers cannot afford Highland Park.

R242 Supposedly it's from his dad's side, according to the fans. I think he owns various businesses, like car dealerships in Dallas (hence why Froy has always had super nice high-end cars when in Dallas and LA). I think he's also into real estate. Don't take it as gospel, but supposedly the house Froy and Richard shared in Dallas while he filmed Cruel Summer was one of his dad's properties, and the house was quite nice. Also, the vacations they take yearly, particularly back to his family in Mexico, are like super nice, ritzy resorts. As R244 said, Froy grew up in one of the wealthiest suburbs in the country. His parents divorced when he was quite young though. His mother is a teacher, and lives in your maybe slightly-above-average nice middle class home (according to pics).

His dad has or had a Spanish-speaking car dealership. Don’t know what his stepfather does, but many of us have seen pictures of his house from his social media and I wouldn’t describe them as wealthy, their house isn’t some mansion and they’re probably comfortable but not what DL usually means by wealthy.

He must make a pretty good living from his acting career, you guys know what TV shows pay, and that Disney movie. He’s not gonna starve any time soon.

Froy is doing fine and looks happy. All the best to him.

R249 He plays small parts. I'm sure he's made some nice money, but enough to live the way he does just doing 1 project a year? Sorry, but probably not. Go do some research on what actors are getting paid these days, particularly the ones that work regularly. They're all exposing the fact that the industry is not paying out like it used to. Solid working actors that do far more than Froy are struggling to pay rent. Residuals add up to nothing. Hence why the actor's union wants to go on strike next.

Not exactly unreasonable to question how the kid is making his way these days. And it's not that unreasonable to guess that living the past few years with a higher profile actor that's made solid money and lives very well is, or at least was, probably footing the bill.

R248 We've only see what his mother's house looks like. It's quite nice. But I'd say your typical middle class home, or slightly above it. What we've never really seen is his Dad's home. There was a pic from a friend of his recently back in Dallas that knows his dad, as was looking at his dad's luxury cars, and the houses in the background looked like mega-mansions.

R251 - Exactly. His dad is the wealtht one. His mother is middle class and the photos are usually from his mom's house. Froy is very close to his dad (who is probably footing the bills when acting and boyfriends don't). Good for him!

*wealthy

[quote] His dad is the wealtht one. His mother is middle class and the photos are usually from his mom's house. Froy is very close to his dad (who is probably footing the bills when acting and boyfriends don't). Good for him!

Froy is used to having his "daddies" take care of him.

Gold digging whore!

R254 sounds like a jealous bitch lol. Don't hate - appreciate!

R254 is just very bitter and not hot or connected enough to live a charmed/kept life like Froylan😊

I'm so glad Muriel got rid of that trans-hating Trumper, "Oracle."

R257 Wait, seriously? They're gone?

Gone! 😩

Folks on twitter are saying that "Froy is collecting men like he's collecting infinity stones"... 😂😂😂

Froy was with Richard and now Zane, that we know of. How it that collecting men? I am quite sure Richard had more since their breakup. He is just hiding it.

*How is that

R261 It's just a joke babe. ;)

Also, like you said "that we know of". I'm sure both of them have had other hookups, partners, etc. that we don't know about.

No more Oracle!!! YAY!

Thank you, Muriel!

Is this thread about Froy or Oracle?

If Oracle hadn't been banned, he'd already have made this thread about himself.

Froy has been staying at Oracle’s for the last couple of weeks.

R267 - In Oracle's wettest dreams! More like Froy staying at Zane's😁

Who keeps bumping this old ass thread?

This thread is not old.

R269 - You! 38 mins ago!

R264 Unfortunately, he's back. And he's now claiming that he's actually met Froy. LOL!

[quote]If Oracle hadn't been banned, he'd already have made this thread about himself.

I'm pretty sure you are doing a pretty good job in making this thread about me. I'm glad you know my superiority over insignificant plebs like yourself. Banned? lol, sorry honey your delusions are only in your head. None of which are grounded in reality.

You'll never grow penis and you'll remain a right wing poser.

Oh god. Here we go again...

Downgrade

R275, As long as Froy is happy, who cares what you think?