LA Dodgers disinvite drag nun group from Pride event

Statement.

It's clear the nasty Christians plan is working. Chipping away at us until we go back in the closet and disappear from society. That's what they want.

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Good move. They are a tacky group that intentionally offends the sacred religious beliefs of a large group of people. No sports team should be endorsing religious bigotry

R2, what are you yapping about? You think it’s smart of a baseball team to put on an act that mocks 72% of the country? Should they have the Proud Boys on too?

[quote]No sports team should be endorsing religious bigotry

So are you one of the idiots who run this place, posting shitty takes just to gin up responses, or what? I can't figure out how someone like you ends up on Datalounge unless you've got some kind of fucked-up agenda.

[quote] You think it’s smart of a baseball team to put on an act that mocks 72% of the country?

Which 72% would that be?

R3.

Christians, r7.

[quote]You think it’s smart of a baseball team to put on an act that mocks 72% of the country?

OP is the kind of person who thinks 72% of the country is Catholic.

Why were they ever hosting a group that mocks a religious group? Most of their players and fans are Catholic

LA Dodgers - We are all about INCLUSION ....except we are not" Merica

Zealotous, hate filled Christian cunts you mean R9.

Oh, OP is also the guy having a meltdown because the Catholic school shooter's manifesto isn't going to be released. In THAT thread he's basically saying "fuck the Catholic school, I want the manifesto," but in THIS thread it's "fuck drag queens, they're offending Catholics."

OP thinks drag queens are "trannys" by the way and is regularly homophobic. Just read this ugly motherfucker's other posts, you'll see what I'm talking about.

What bullshit, their religious groups more than mock gay people, they chastise us all the time. Are they going to stop having Christian evens because some people are offended by them?

R4, offended "Christians" can go fuck right off!

Apparently humor is lost once you enter Dodger stadium.

Exactly R16. Fuck them and their absurd "values" which they spend their lives enforcing on everyone else and lecturing LGBT people about. They can all just fuck off.

Mocking religion is not something a smart business does

It's quite clear that the posters on this thread are clueless about democracy, discussion forums and adult discourse.

R19, I don't think of LA as a particularly religious city, thank Dog. I'd be more concerned about offending gay people here.

[quote] You think it’s smart of a baseball team to put on an act that mocks 72% of the country?

[quote] Christians, R7.

Well Christians don't constitute 72% of the country:

[quote] Estimates from 2021 suggest that of the entire U.S. population (332 million) about 63% is Christian (210 million).

[quote] thank Dog

Dodgers!

And that number is reducing every year R22.

Mostly because of the Christians, r24

R24, more people are seeing Christians as the fakes and hypocrites that they are. "Christians" have very little to offer anyone these days. And being openly in bed with Trump/MAGA. The straw that broke the camel's back.

[quote] OP is the kind of person who thinks 72% of the country is Catholic.

Christian, you dumbfuck. The Marxists in the alphabet soup community would be the same ones throwing a shitfit over a group mocking Muslims.

For me, the irony in this decision by the Dodgers is that the organized Catholic Church, with its legions of abusive priests (most of whom commit abuse with impunity), does way more to defame Catholicism than the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could ever do.

R14 is a moron. Too stupid to even break down his stupidity one by one.

They specialize in public sacrilege and blasphemy. They intend to shock and mock. Now, they pretend like they are the victims. No msindtran company or sports team should have been associated with them in The first place.

No mainstream Company*

Straight from the people who claim they are always the victims: "There must be some limits of free speech"

[quote] They specialize in public sacrilege and blasphemy. They intend to shock and mock.

What flyover frau town do you live in that you think some men dressed like nuns is going to shock people in LA?

What’s the problem?

R33 hasn’t discovered television yet and lives in a liberal ghetto.

r9 It's 63% as of 2021 (Pew Research), you pulled that 72% directly out of your ass.

And of course, like r10 pointed out, nuns are a Catholic thing.

R35, I'd rather live in a liberal ghetto than with sanctimonious religious cunts like you.

R34, how have they gotten away with that evil trash so far?

R37 would rather live in a place with rioting, looting, murder, and shit on the streets.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R39, and meanwhile, Trump shits in your mouth and the rest of us have to read you regurgitate it.

[quote]would rather live in a place with rioting, looting, murder, and shit on the streets.

So move out of Cleveland, Ohio, Kansas City, Missouri, Baltimore, Maryland, or Memphis, Tennessee .

The problem isn’t drag queens. The problem is anti-religious drag queens mocking another religion.

Inclusion = inclusion.

Inclusion is about accepting anyone despite their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, weight.

Inclusion isn’t celebrating sexual identity while bashing religion.

That’s not inclusion.

[quote] San Francisco's Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence

I HOLLERED

R43, when Christianity decides to stop 'bashing' gay people -- like they have been for thousands of years -- then maybe there is something to your argument. Until then, they can fuck right off.

Well they've done a lot of great charitable work, I've never really cared for them. I'm no fan of the Catholic Church but I don't think it's cool to mock nuns like that. Sure there are worse things. But I just find them kind of tragic

The irony of the whole situation is that the "inclusion" event want's to exclude people they don't like.

I kind of think the Perpetual Indulgence sisters are hilarious. But why would a baseball game be a good venue for them? Baseball is pretty boring.

They don't offend me, but baseball + comic drag sacrilege does seem an odd combination.

BTW, nuns are not only Catholic. The Anglican church, Eastern Orthodox and Lutheran churches have nuns. Buddhism has nuns. Jainism has nuns. Is there a Church of Perpetual Indulgence?

This is the problem with corporatizing Pride. The businesses end up calling the shots and the meaning of pride celebration gets lost. The whole point of a company is to make money, so they make decisions not because they love and understand us, but because they think they'll get cash out of the deal. I understand why they hesitated to include the sisters. LA has a pretty large Hispanic population and a bunch of Dodgers fans are Hispanic, Catholic, and lean socially conservative. I think certain companies saw what happened with Bud Light, and they're going to start being more hesitant about showing support.

I'm so glad to see that baseball is so concerned with the religion and cultures of others 🙄

Double edge sward though. In the early days of gay pride, NO company would come within a mile of sponsoring anything to do with the parade. Doing so meant they backed gay rights. Now we have all these companies that just do it for the money, which was still the original motivation but they turn on us whenever the wind blows another direction.

[quote] Well they've done a lot of great charitable work

They probably do more charitable work than most so-called "Christians."

Why are the Los Angeles Dodgers organising Pride events? Doesn't Pride belong to the gays anymore?

R53, why are you so surprised? Have you never heard of sports teams organizing pride nights before?

I have read that some (the ones who aren't useless religious freaks, and who have a sense of humor) are aware of the charitable work that the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence do, and actually get a kick out of them and (tacitly) support their efforts. Many actual Catholic nuns are stealth lesbians and atheists, and even socialists. The plainclothes ones (not the holy roller Filipina/Indian ones who still wear the habit) are down in the trenches, providing reproductive health to women, care to refugees and the homeless, as well as housing and school to poor children. Many are secret radicals actively working on the downlow against official Church policy on certain issues. As so many women have known throughout history, when men run the show, continue doing whatever it is you want, just keep it hidden, and let the men think they're in charge, lol.

Oh - and fuck the Catholic Church. In this day and age, I cannot believe anyone with an ounce of morality takes those fucking child rapist pedos and hypocritical closet queens seriously. How dare the Sisters (who actively do good, and merely point out the Church's hypocrisy) be thrown out and have their award rescinded. The Dodgers should be ashamed. We're sooooo enlightened in 2023, in this corporate, theocratic hellscape of a country.

BREAKING: Dodger pride night is only for the butch gays, not drag gays.

So easy to take the piss out of nuns. Any chance of ridiculing a religion other than Christianity? Say, Muslims? How brave those trannies are. They'd fucking love to have a real vagina and wear a nun's habit.

Freaks on the left, freaks on the right.

"when Christianity decides to stop 'bashing' gay people -- like they have been for thousands of years -- then maybe there is something to your argument. Until then, they can fuck right off".

Just Christianity?!

Real men in drag are more offensive than real men in women drag.

^ Huh?

Once again the L, G and B are suffering for the rest of the letters.

It’s disrespectful to fans who are Catholic

R62, perhaps those fans should worry more about abusive priests.

Dodger Pride Night Collapses is Complete.

LA Pride just announced they are pulling out of the pride night in support of the Sisters. Others will also fallow.

@r62, "It’s disrespectful to fans who are Catholic "

Heaven forbid a sports team be disrespectful 🙄

R54, I'm from the UK so it's a little unusual for me for non-gay organisations to have Pride events to this extent, but when basically straight organisations (whose interest in Pride is completely different from what Pride is about for gay people) start holding Pride events then of course such events are going to be some bullshit nonsense.

The gays need to make Pride our own again.

You gays are over. Your time is over. We rule now.

R66, Pride has become a very corporate affair here for quite some time now.

Stupid to book drag queens of any kind at a sports "Pride" night. Are there no out gay baseball players? Yes, retired ones, easy to book. It's lazy and stereotypical to think, "Let's do a Pride event! We'll get some drag queens."

[quote] Well they've done a lot of great charitable work

When they aren't stealing their own money:

We needed corporate recognition back in the day, but I agree, maybe it's time for another shift and move away from so much of it unless they are truly dedicated and can prove it with actions and not press releases.

[quote]When they aren't stealing their own money:

Oh, do tell.

Jesus Fucking Christ put a cork in it R61. You're so unhinged and hate trans so zealously - you don't even know what you're hating anymore.

Drag queens are 99.5% gay men. This is specifically about gay men.

[quote] Dodger Pride Night Collapses is Complete. LA Pride just announced they are pulling out of the pride night in support of the Sisters. Others will also fallow.

Baseball fans everywhere cheer !

The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are an institution, and they're satire. Their inclusion does not mean that other religions are excluded from the event. Churches and religious groups are ALWAYS at L.A. Pride and have been for many years.

Anyone who is trying to say that the Dodgers are supposed to ban the Sisters because they're a bigoted organization is a liar. Maybe they're just trolling because they want attention, maybe they genuinely are some far-right evangelical nutjob who has taken up residence here, but either way, they are lying to you.

This crap will just increase resentment and fear of LGB people.

Mocking a religious group....

NUNSENSE

Sister Boom Boom XXX (Jack Fertig), who transitioned from the earthly plane, becoming a "Nun of the Above", is rolling over in her fabulously decorated grave 😜

They should have never partnered with a group that specializes in mocking a religion and sacrilege

[quote] Double edge sward

GIRL!

@r78, As if Christians were known for their tolerance of other religions 🙄

Good decision. Period. Obviously the Christian haters know nothing about business. Are the nuns funny? Of course they are. But, can the Dodgers afford to have them at a game? No, purely a business decision.

Funny how everybody on DL who rail against trans and drag queens all of a sudden are outraged that a baseball organization doesn't want to have them as part of their event and risk serious repercussions to their business.

I’m Catholic and I love the Sisters, who, by the way, predate the trans panic by many decades. You guys are going on like they are Satanists when they are really just a raunchier version of the Sister Mary Ignatiuses and Sister Michaels who are beloved by the more liberal members of the Faith. They do a lot of good, too.

Fuck those sports team pride events! Seriously fuck off!

The Dodgers just need to find some drag queens who aren’t raunchy and who don’t mock religion. Then they can check that box and everyone can be happy again.

The Los Angeles LGBT Center CEO Joe Hollendoner put out a statement in support of the Sisters, blaming “out-of-state, right-wing fundamentalists” for “perpetuating a false narrative about LGBTQ+ people.”

“We call on the Dodgers to reconsider their decision, honor the Sisters, and bring the true spirit of Pride back to Dodgers Stadium,” Hollendoner wrote. “If the decision is not reversed, we strongly encourage the Dodgers to cancel Pride Night. Any organization that turns its back on LGBTQ+ people at this damning and dangerous inflection point in our nation’s history should not be hoisting a rainbow flag or hosting a ‘Pride Night.’”

The Sisters also received support from Northern California. State Sen. 𝑺𝒄𝒐𝒕𝒕 𝑾𝒊𝒆𝒏𝒆𝒓, a San Francisco Democrat and member of the Legislative LGBTQ Caucus, criticized the Dodgers for backing down and included a subtle dig at the San Francisco Giants’ rivals.

“Really sad to see the Dodgers cave to pressure & kick drag queens out of a Pride celebration,” he wrote on Twitter. “The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence do amazing, life-saving work in the community. We expect more from our sports teams — even the Dodgers.”

Dodgers gonna dodge.

Their tiresome one note thing was ok back in 1982 or whenever it started.

Where was the 72% pulled from? Thin air?

It just goes to show you that there is no real outrage about offending Christians. They have to make up numbers.

I’m thinking that real, authentic Christians make up about 5% of the country. Or less. Let’s get real here.

R53 Gays haven't been a consideration in Pride for at least 5 years now. We are scum and an inconvenience to the TQ+ agenda.

Sorry, but the Sisters are creepy and they'll make kids cry.

R83, you’re Catholic but you think it’s okay to mix raunchiness and sacrilege with your religious faith? I know some liberal Catholics, but none of them would think it’s okay to do that. Just because you’re a nominal Catholic that doesn’t take their faith seriously doesn’t mean other Catholics and Christians are likewise. Moreover, businesses don’t have to associate with an entity that degrades or trivializes the faith of hundreds of millions of people. It’s bad branding

The gay community really is asking for a backlash if it is putting its neck on the Line for a bunch of vulgar men who mock Christianity.

Authentic as Tex Mex in the 70s.

Poking fun at the theatrical glamour of the Catholic church isn't mocking Christianity. They may be creepy-looking bearded men who look like witches, but they're not vulgar.

I agree R93 but at some point back in the day the very gay populated Catholic parish in the Castro had them over for something. It is hard to even imagine those days now but Tales of the City described a world that sorta existed. I’m an old enough eldergay to remember all that and even if I have gotten more conservative truth be told I sorta miss it.

It might as well be the Ming Dynasty or the Byzantine Empire in relevance to where we are today.

[quote] Oh, OP is also the guy having a meltdown because the Catholic school shooter's manifesto isn't going to be released. In THAT thread he's basically saying "fuck the Catholic school, I want the manifesto," but in THIS thread it's "fuck drag queens, they're offending Catholics."

Covenant School is Presbyterian.

Yay. More outrage.

R93, there is nothing nominal about my faith. I think you need to get to know more Catholics.

Is this an LA versus SF thing? Shouldn't they be supporting the Giants?

Cowardly cunts. If you really want to make a statement, prance around in drag in a traditional hijab yelling "ALLAH AKBAR!" Put on traditional Orthodox Jewish clothes, wear great big Star of David necklaces, and jump around screaming, "OY VEY! I'M LATE TO TEMPLE!"

I'm an atheist and I believe in free speech, so I don't have a problem with mocking religions, although it seems like a poor business practice to tell Catholics to fuck off, but hey, their stadium, their rules.

I'm just pointing out what utter chickenshits these assholes are, despite their pretenses to be brave.

The Sisters were great anarchic fun initially, but he have gone corporate decades ago. As always when there is money to be made.

[quote] Why are the Los Angeles Dodgers organising Pride events? Doesn't Pride belong to the gays anymore?

Of course not.

The grand marshals of Pride last year was 4 trannies and 1 lesbian.

The group is disgusting and is rightly regarded as niche

[Quote] The gay community really is asking for a backlash if it is putting its neck on the Line for a bunch of vulgar men who mock Christianity

I agree R94

Horrifying photo.

I remember watching the Sandi Freeman show on CNN during the conventions in 1984 and she had some of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence on with Jerry Falwell, and she seemed a little shocked and asked Rev. Jerry if he was offended, and he just laughed and said, "No, I'm not offended, I'm not offended at all."

Maybe because he was Protestant, or maybe because that was a completely different world.

R102, I would argue that most of the SOPI members are old enough to remember when Cardinal O’Connor was campaigning against safe sex education and was the face of HIV prevention.

While the majority of Catholics now may be tacit supporters of gay people, many of us remember when they weren’t and one could point to the persistent intransigence of the Holy See when it comes to true support and acceptance in today’s world.

* and was the face of anti-HIV prevention

Power to the dodgers

[quote] Doesn't Pride belong to the gays anymore?

Silly boy.

Catholics have a right to be offended over this. Really, it makes all those kids fucked up the ass by their priests seem so, so insignificant.

I love R114.

Really, the Sisters have to stop putting out these offensive parodies.

The Catholic church is the only true Christian church, all the Protestant spinoffs are simply not legitimate. But at least they are still Christian unlike completely off the wall religions like Buddism, Hindus etc. Who in their right mind believes in a Buddha or the Hindu God who I guess is a cow? Completely ridiculous!

Christians have no leg to stand on talking about bigotry, or anything else for that matter.

Besides, which Christians are really offended here except the fundamentalists? And who gives a shit about them?

I doubt 80% of the self-identified "Christians" in this country would know the difference between Communion and a beer on Sunday. They've surely not seen the inside of a church since their weddings to 12 year olds.

R118. I actually quite like Buddhism since it's almost a paradoxical misotheistic faith.

It bears resemblance to some ancient Greek philosophies as well.

Wheelchair-bound nuns with catheters relentlessly interrogated by the bishop for having sex with priests—thanks, R116, I'm taking notes even as I type!

[quote]LA Pride just announced they are pulling out of the pride night in support of the Sisters. Others will also fallow.

As my grandmother used to say, "Communists don't believe in God."

“Others will also fallow“

Oh, DEAR!

Official statement for you, R120z

Including people who are mocking/sexualizing a major religion in the name of "pride" is just a stupid business decision, regardless of your disdain for the religion/institution. Dumb battle to be fighting. The same people up in arms over the disinvitation would be going ballistic if this were a group of drag queens dressed as Muhammed.

Precisely. There is a destructive subset of people in the gay community who wanna engage in the most vulgar and disrespectful behavior toward other groups without any consideration for how the backlash could destroy all the gains of the community

Has Anita Bryant joined the thread? The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence have been around for more than 40 years, during which support for gay rights has only gone up; and it was their kind of in-your-face activity that gained all our rights in the first place, not the buttoned-down types like the Mattachine Society that preceded Stonewall. I wouldn't worry so much about backlash from groups that wouldn't support us anyway.

The Dodgers are a mainstream business, not some left wing activist organization. They seek to appeal to the broadest fanbase, to Middle America. They can’t afford to Alienate or offend an entire group of people.

[quote] They seek to appeal to the broadest fanbase, to Middle America.

The Dodgers need to appeal to LA and LA fans only -- not the same "Middle America" that has been intent on hating their very wrong and stupid idea of LA.

Last I checked L.A. is still in California, and Middle America still despises California with the heat of a thousand suns.

They need to appeal to Southern California baseball fans, which includes devout Catholics, Latinos, and older Americans

R129, don't tell that to R128.

The Dodgers are Middle America's team, dammit! 🇺🇸 🇺🇲

[quote] devout Catholics, L

Who exactly are these devout, pious Catholics dressed in mantillas and praying rosaries at Dodger Stadium.

Give me a fucking break.

Speaking of geography, R101 raises a good point - why is did the Dodgers, and not the Giants, invite them in the first place? Do the Giants host a similar event, and will the Sisters be invited to that?

Over 43% of Dodgers fans are Latin, and the team has a growing international fan base

why did*

Bump

Dodgers apologize and re-invite the Sisters. I guess Middle America and the Latin Catholic fans will have to figure out a way to cope.

R117 Priests are all groomers and child molesters. They didn't fuck you because you were too ugly.

[quote] There is a destructive subset of people in the gay community

Queer, trans and nb.

[quote] There is a destructive subset of people in the gay community

Queer, trans and enby.

Sisters are back!

Poor Little Marco, what's he going to say now?

Something stupid r141.

I hate that there are people on this forum caving to the religious bigots. I doubt these posters are gay.

We have evangelical Jesus-freaks running around among us, R143.

It’s disrespectful to Catholics. Good job Dodgers.

If you are so insecure in your religion that you can't manage to see the humor in the SOPI, then too bad. They have been around for decades and, frankly, the Catholic church, as a major proponent of anti-gay legislation TO THIS DAY, deserves the disrespect and mocking from the gay community. SOPI is a gay institution and the only reason that they were dis-invited is because they trigger the anti-trans loons, not because they are critical of the Catholic church. I'm Jewish and I haven't noticed people laying off the Jews in parody or comedy. Mel Brooks has made a career of it. While the First Amendment does not apply to private corporations, like the Dodgers, cancelling these kinds of shows because people might get offended inevitably degrades our First Amendment rights.

R30 The responses to that Twitter link have taken an ugly life of its own. For example:

[Quote]It's really time for Christianity to grow a pair and start dealing with these people the way we would have 75 or a hundred years ago.

[quote] It’s disrespectful to Catholics.

The entire vibe and city of Los Angeles is 'disrespectful' to Catholic/Christianity/whatever. Welcome to the real Sin City.

All of this makes me worry/wonder when they will start coming for the Sound of Music Sing-a-long at the Hollywood Bowl.....

Another from the HB photo booth:

Catholics are appalled at men in gowns grooming children?

Here’s a nuanced Catholic take on the incident.

Apparently they've been re-invited now.