How do rich celebrities end up with such awful plastic surgery?

[quote]celebrities have endless funds to repair whatever goes wrong.

this is part of the problem.

Everybody is thinking of Meg Ryan...

You can't buy taste.

I just listened to a Jane Fonda interview. She’s really disappointed in herself for not aging gracefully, and realizes she looks bad.

The richer and more famous you are, the more isolated from reality you become.

And once you've left that tether to reality behind, there's nowhere to go but crazy town.

Now, money doesn't insulate you from a bad surgeon. You can get five different recommendations for a good surgeon even from your own trusted physicians and yet all those recommendations point to a hack they feel hidebound to protect: damn the hypocratic oath.

But when you are so rich and isolated, you only have to please yourself. And if you want to look like the Gelfling version of the Venus of Willendorf, you're going to go for it.

Still traumatised by whatever has happened to Madonna.

R4 Jane Fonda does look good but also a little cat-like. Her surgeon still did a much better job Madonna's.

I don’t think most of us (myself included) grasp what a famous woman’s beauty is to her career. I think that’s a lot of what drives them to plastic surgery.

And the docs are likely telling them, I can 1) do something light… but it won’t turn back time to the degree you’re seeking and you’ll be back in five years for another go, or 2) get ahead of it and do a more drastic surgery that will prevent you from needing another for years to come.

I think it's disgusting that the men who run everything (including Hollywood) have caused so much damage by perpetuating how valuable people are as long as they are young, thin, attractive and fertile.

I'm thinking of meg ryan, Madonna, Priscilla Presley and of course that Catwoman.

Priscilla Presley is as smart as a plastic pop pearl necklace. She got criminal injections from a hack and was too dumb to say no.

Catwoman is mentally ill and a billionaire and got exactly the plastic surgery she requested and paid for.

Madonna became delusional and, surrounded by yes people, and her colossal fortune, got the procedures she wanted and paid for. She half knows how bad it is, so decided 5 years ago to be hybridise her image. Most of the image the public sees is virtual nowadays. Its creepy but kind of fascinating choice. Like Brenda Dickson with a fortune.

Finally the only mystery is what happened to Meg Ryan at a young age? That is a plastic surgery disaster that came quickly and fatally.

When I was young in rich California, girls and women got ONE very, very expensive, exquisite procedure. A perfect nose crafted for their face- not just a made-to-order diamond tip or ski slope. An undetectable facelift... Now it's a fast food industry with thousands of hacks hawking $300 fillers you need every few months. And a year of $3,000 nose adjustments.

It's lost its art for cash.

... I also think some are just pill addicts in denial.

Just look at these young “influencers.” The frozen, filled faces, puffed-up lips, etc. It’s sad and terrifying. They look like they came from Planet Kardashian.

Like ALL of the BROADS from Knots Landing.

[quote]I don’t think most of us (myself included) grasp what a famous woman’s beauty is to her career.

Not just beauty--YOUTH. Famous/rich women are not allowed to age the way men are. Anyone past 40 is deemed an old hag, even if she looks fantastic. A perfect example is Lesley Stahl, who hardly looks human anymore. Compare and contrast with the way Mike Wallace, Andy Rooney and Steve Kroft were allowed to get old as shit on that show, with faces that had so many lines they looked like roadmaps. No one was worried the public wouldn't be willing to look at them in their natural state. Stahl doesn't look younger than her age, she just looks bizarre. Yet if she didn't do it, they'd find some reason to get rid of her.

[quote]It's lost its art for cash.

I think everyone is in denial about what's really possible when it comes to having work done. A good nose job and an artful facelift are really the limit of what you can do and still look natural. People with fillers, Botox, etc don't look younger, they look like weird, stiff and unnatural and we all politely pretend they don't.

Many of them go to the same surgeons.

It's not a matter of multimillionaire A-listers going to Mexico and getting building-grade construction silicone injected into their faces.

It's a matter of people's bodies healing and settling in unpredictable ways.

Madonna is among the wealthiest celebrities, worth close to a billion dollars. She did not get bargain-basement cutting and pasting. Her body doesn't take to the same procedures as well as, for example, Janr Fonda's, and she has clearly had far too many surgeries, liekly to keep trying to correct prior ones.

Plastic surgery should be seen as a game of Russian roulette. It's possible to win, it's possible to come out unharmed, it's possible to shoot yourself in the face.

R18, I'll concede a bit: there was a look in LA, SF and BH in the 80s and 90s that betrayed a rich, well preserved woman of a certain age- she was 80, but looked 60. It was aging gracefully, even if it was deceit, not just chasing youth. See the pics of Betsey and Nancy...

I guess the muppet look is today's signal, "my face cost x."

Or, 60 and look 40...

[quote] A perfect example is Lesley Stahl, who hardly looks human anymore.

Of all people, Stahl seems like a bizarre person to point the finger at. She just looks like an old woman to me.

I have noticed (primarily on DL) that when women do allow themselves to age visibly with wrinkles and sagging skin, a lot of men think that signs of normal aging are botched plastic surgery.

It has gotten to the point at which so many women in the public eye get plastic surgery that gay men misinterpret actual old age as being failed cosmetic surgery.

She looks like an old woman because she's long since reached the limits of what work can do for her. But her cheeks are weird and bumpy, her lips are over-collagened, and her face isn't even symmetrical anymore thanks to all the tweaking. She looked even weirder six or seven years ago. And if you compare the way she's aged to younger photos of her, you can see she went way off course at some point.

But the details don't even really matter. My point is that her male colleagues have no such expectation of unnaturally-achieved 'youth' placed on them. They're journalists, and that's what matters most. Because she's a woman, she has this whole other expectation put on her, no matter how unrealistic it is.

R4 where is that interview? Would love to read or watch it. If she really said that I give her a lot of credit.

[quote] My point is that her male colleagues have no such expectation of unnaturally-achieved 'youth' placed on them. They're journalists, and that's what matters most. Because she's a woman, she has this whole other expectation put on her, no matter how unrealistic it is.

You're right about there being no expectation that men remain young and sexy—Hello, Morley Safer!—but some still try.

When everyone went gaga over Scott Pelley being 'ripped' after this segment, all I thought was, "Holy moley, that is one vain old man!" All I see here is Botox, injectable fillers, fake tans and an aging man risking serious injury by trying to look young and hot by lifting too much for his age bracket.

And Anderson Cooper certainly has at least attempted to exploit his body as a journalist, stripping down to dive with sharks on 60 Minutes, stripping down to get a fake tan on his own talk show, wearing tee shirts two sizes too small on CNN.

No one truly loves them enough to tell them that they look attractive as they are and they will love them even if they look their age. Their lives are emotionally empty.

R24 I haven't heard her say that she looks bad, but I have seen a few very recent interviews in which she says that she gets plastic surgeries because she is self-conscious about her appearance and she is disappointed that she has not been able to resist surgically altering herself to look better for other people and to feel better about herself.

[quote] “We all know a lot of women who are wealthy who’ve had all kinds of facelifts and things like that and they look terrible,” she said. “I had a facelift and I stopped because I don’t want to look distorted. I’m not proud of the fact that I had [one]. A lot of women, I don’t know, they’re addicted to it. I don’t know if I had it to do over if I would do it.”

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R28 interestingly, there’s a scene in 80 for Brady (I finally watched it on a flight - an airplane movie if there ever was one), and there’s a scene of Jane sans wig and “natural” makeup , and she looked pretty and much more like herself.

So I think a lot is just the styling - she would look better without the obvious wigs and caked on makeup.

[quote] And if you want to look like the Gelfling version of the Venus of Willendorf, you're going to go for it.

Not SkekSis? The Gelfing are adorable and youthful looking naturally.

Simon Cowell owns this thread. The man has destroyed his face.

Sometimes it comes down to genetics. Some people win the genetic lottery and the procedures enhance their looks. I think the secret is trying to look good- for your age- not being 70 and trying to look 35.

R29 Why does she always look...gelatinous? Like she is covered in mucus membranes.

Omg. How awful. What creepy eyes. His plastic surgeon should have his license revoked.

They don’t have anyone close to them with balls enough to say “Stop! You look like a fucking alien”!!

Joe Scarborough looks cute in the interview with Leslie Stahl at R23. I wonder if he's had work done.

R24, Julia Louis Dreyfus interviewed Jane on her new Spotify podcast.

I wonder what Pfeiffer and Lynda have had done. They both look great, but I suspect they had help.

You can have the top Park Ave surgeon and they can still fuck it up. That and some people don’t know when to stop.

I was friends with Barbara Rush (she's in assisted living now), and she always had the bare minimum of work done. Enough to look great for her age, but not a freak.

Many didn't have much to work with in the first place.

Melanie Griffith fucked up her face in her 40's, she ended up looking way older than she is.

R44 and yet she still doesn’t look nearly as bad as Meg Ryan.

Sharon Stone had a facelift (rumored by Dr Aston of the multiple lawsuits Dr Aston) and a tit job right before BI 2. It was also the skinniest she had ever been (she’s normally thin but at a bit of a healthier weight compared to say Pfieffer). It’s funny how now she’s the poster child for “aging gracefully” - I agree she did it just right but come on. Also, I can definitely spot her cheek implants (which are very good, but she never had those kind of cheeks before).

Doing more of what fucked you up isn‘t going to unfuck you. But they don’t know that because other than “live with it,” it’s the only hope they have.

The woman in my family get the facelift at 40-45, "before you really need it".

They claim Meryl did too. My aunt used the same doc as Jane.

[quote] My aunt used the same doc as Jane.

Who is?

Ok don’t name. But LA or NY based and can you name a couple other celebrities who went to him /her?

Totally believe that about Meryl (Sally Field too, though that was more obvious). But then they both left well enough alone and became the poster children for “aging gracefully.”

I remember Sally on a People magazine cover in the 90s (to promote Eye for an Eye, I’m thinking?) and the main purpose was clearly to show off her refreshed face. She had shaved off a good 15 years if not more.

I used to wonder about this before I became a nurse. There are tons of shady/shitty doctors out there in all specialties. If one doctor says no to a patient’s request, there is always another willing to operate on them. Celebs are also surrounded by “yes men” that don’t dare tell them they look like freaks.

[quote]there’s a scene of Jane sans wig and “natural” makeup , and she looked pretty and much more like herself.

I heard a movie reviewer who interviewed Fonda and her Book Club sequel costars say that Jane was absolutely gorgeous in person.

R49, in SF allegedly and I cannot name names, as I have not been blessed with the sacred information for I have not committed to purchasing his work.

I'm angular, thin, strong jaw- I'm just going to grizzle. Like a lean, slightly bitchy Liam Neeson.

Well ... bitchier.

Pretty much all of the cosmetic surgeons who performed top notch work are dead and hardly any of them bothered to pass on their secrets and techniques to the next generation of surgeons.

R53 not all. Nose jobs are 1000 times better now.

My sister’s theory on nose jobs is that you need multiple ones to really get it right (Obviously not MJ territory)..

Andy Rooney was very hard to look at with those horrible eyebrows. I couldn't watch him in his later years. I had to turn it off every time he came on to do his little talk.

What I really hate is when they match an old man as the love interest of A young woman as if women are into old men. Young women only go with old men if they are rich.

R46, I remember her being on Larry King not long after her facelift. It was so severe at first I wondered how she could close her eyes to sleep.

And now she goes on about eschewing plastic surgery and embracing aging. Yeah, right.

I can’t figure out what Simon Cowell did around his eyes to make them smaller.

It can be a total mindfuck when you go from spending your entire adult life being fawned over because of your looks…to watching your youth slip further and further away. I kind of feel bad for people like Robert Redford, Cindy Crawford, and so many others who couldn’t handle aging…deciding instead to get horrible plastic surgery.

People with money believe that they can buy everything including youth. They go overboard thanks to that and it’s not being possible.

They all get the face they deserve. Their inner beauty or ugliness will come out with aging. No amount of surgery can hide it.

[Quote] I remember Sally on a People magazine cover in the 90s (to promote Eye for an Eye, I’m thinking?) and the main purpose was clearly to show off her refreshed face. She had shaved off a good 15 years if not more.

I saw that movie on Netflix for the first time and perked up when Aunt Flo made an appearance. Surprised it doesn't have a thread on here.

Jane was looking good up until recently, but in the last few years she’s had some very bad procedures

R62 who the hell is Aunt Flo? That movie is truly awful, btw.

R63 she still looked great when promoting the first Book Club, although not in the actual Book Club - again, because of that awful hair . But I think she’s at the point now that even with good hair she’d look off.

I have a family member who is addicted to plastic surgery. She was originally going to good doctors like the guy who did Ann Margret after her fall in Vegas.

After one of them told her she had unrealistic expectations, she started going to quacks who would do anything for the money. She even had a tit explode, and had to wait 6 months for the infection to heal before getting a new set.

R64 Aunt Flo is a character that shows up at the funeral and falls on her ass causing Sally Field to go to the bathroom so she can laugh her ass off.

Follow the Deidre Hall example.

The key to good plastic surgery, in addition to finding the right doctor, is to start early and be conservative. Most people go in at 40 and tell the doctor to give them the everything job and that's too much. Minor procedures over the years, might save you from a full on face lift. Also, don't over do the injectables. Again, be conservative. If you have an event coming up, don't get Botox the day before. Get it six weeks before.

And the thing is that if they're in the public eye, it's not about how old they look, it's about how old we all know they are. That's what keeps the 40s-who-look-30s from getting cast if their career has had any length at all.

R67 Deidre Hall? She has always had one of the worst 60s/70s style nose jobs I’ve ever seen.

[quote]Deidre Hall? She has always had one of the worst 60s/70s style nose jobs I’ve ever seen.

Nonetheless, she looks pretty damn great for 75 years old. And her nose always looked like her twin sister's.

R70 she definitely got her lips a little plumped out. Just the right amount though. She’s an example of someone who actually needed it and did it correctly.

Some of these people have Body Dysmorphic Disorder and don't have a realistic vision of what they should look like. I think Michael Jackson definitely had BDD

Good surgeons won’t deal with these mentally ill celebs.

i went to a plastic surgeon. When discussing potential improvement, he matter of factly said "I can always make it worse."

Any plastic surgery runs risks, including death.

A revision to a plastic surgery does not take you back to where you started--or what you wanted to improve by having the plastic surgery. It usually is just minimizing the problems created by the surgery.

TV of last few decades adds to the problem. Those plastic surgery reality shows like Dr 9021whatever.....They would film lots and lots of cases. Only some made it into the show. The good results--and the bad results that were the fault of the patient (not following post-op instructions, not quitting smoking before surgery and lying about it).

Deirdre Hall looks great. The majority won’t be able to look that good at 75. That’s rare. But it’s like someone said above, it’s a game of Russian Roulette. You just have no genuine way of knowing how it’ll turn out.

I think another reason people end up looking bad is that the tweaks work until they don’t. I’m going to watch Gwen Stefani lose the plot over the next decade. She’s had so much work done and for the longest time everyone was like, oh, she looks so good for her age! And for awhile that was true. She looked well preserved. But then her face became as frozen as a mask and the lips are getting bigger and the make up even heavier. Someone like that is suddenly going to accept the experience of aging naturally? No way.

Courtney Cox got lucky. If I’m not mistaken, some people in her personal life told her the work she was getting done was starting to look strange so she backed off. Which is another part of it all, it’s very difficult to be objective about your own face. Especially when you’re chasing a feeling as much as a look. You want to be relieved of that bummed out feeling that comes from watching your own face age.

HD TV is no friend to these faces. I noticed Charles had makeup on for the coronation, and some was noticable on one of his sideburns.

Fact: Whenever Tammy C. is in S.F., he's getting a procedure done.

SF is it, because of the incredible science/tech and no paps.

Also why we had the baseball steroid issue with Balco...

R61 whatever makes you sleep better at night.

I love this topic

You don't need to be rich to fuck up your face. Or in this case, your cheeks.

No matter how skilled the surgeon on the face, the backs of the hands always reveal true age.

There's a reason Queen Elizabeth liked her gloves.

You can get your hands done!

I worked on a project with an extremely successful PR woman (corporate crisis stuff) of a certain age. She arrived at a weekend meeting with the backs of her hands all bandaged and pathetically claimed she’d hurt them falling off her bike.

Well, later we were cracking up at the thought of her flying off her bike and miraculously landing in a way so as to scrape the backs of her hands! (She needed a better cover story.)

The project ended before we could see how her hands turned out.

R83 I still don't know why the fuck Madonna didn't get it done. After all she had pretty much everything else filled out and smoothed over. Wouldn't be surprised if they used a belt sander on her.

For any older guys thinking of plastic surgery, one look at Joe Biden should be a cure. That tight-faced look is strangely reminiscent of Roy Cohn.

And yet Joe’s is among the best you’ll see in a man.

You could end up like McCartney… an aging lesbian.

I think for most cases, it’s a matter of luck: a mm here or there makes a huge difference.

Men can't get away with it like women can.

I never really knew how makeup is applied but TikTok has fed me so many 'get ready with me' videos that I now understand a lot of women actually wear makeup like drag queens do. Their faces are literally painted on with a dozen layers that totally reconstruct their features. It's clownish in its construction.

And so if they have their features rearranged surgically, they can alter those features to look better with makeup. All they really need is taut, smooth skin and with makeup they can paint on a lovely face.

Men can't do that.

This is so crazy to me.

There aew TikTok filters that show women how to apply makeup for contouring, and it literally looks like war paint before it's blended.

I find it so strange. If I were a woman who wore makeup, I'd feel like less of a fraud with plastic surgery than I would wearing a mask like this that washes off.

The layers and layers of makeup thing is a relatively recent phenomenon for average women, though. There's a direct link there to the mainstreaming of drag, the rise of social media beauty gurus and the shift to HD video production (and its effect on female celebrities). Prior to all that, average women were not using bronzer, highlighter, primers, makeup setting spray, etc. That was the stuff of pro makeup artists and celebrities.

R90 The timing also corresponds with the rise of cosmetic surgeries and especially facial and lip fillers that distort features.

And we can thank the Karda$hians for that. Although some of the ads i have seen are now promoting a 4 in 1 product that is supposed to highlight, conceal etc...