Hoosier Family Accidentally Adopts Adult Sex Dwarf

THIS is why I come to DL!

Its like the movie with Vera Ferminga- The Orphan- where the psycho devil woman posing as a child tries to murder her adopted family

Is this an Onion article?

I REMEMBER THIS!! omg I am so excited to watch this. I wonder if I have ID

That story has been around for years.

It needs to be made into an HBO comedy, with Molly Shannon and Chris Parnell as the parents, and Shannon DeVido (she’s a comedian that was on Difficult People and Larry Wilmore, she’s in a wheelchair but she has that prematurely aged bitterness needed for this role-just say she is in a wheelchair) as Natalia.

Why in the fuck did they adopt her in the first place?

They already had three kids.

Serves them right.

"Natalia was accused of trying to poison Kristine's coffee and kill her by dragging her towards an electric fence" The mom is Kristine? Why didn't she just drop kick her down the stairs? They probably wanted her so that she'd spin straw into gold and when that didn't happen they became bitter.

Street cred, r6.

[quote] she left bloody tampons around

Well that was rude.

Wasn't this a Law & Order (or one of its spinoffs) episode?

The Christmas stories are so misleading. Dwarves aren't nice!

R11- Do you prefer Midgets?

The ones with the adworable bwankets?

No. Pass.

R13 hates Alec.

[quote]They thought she was a 6-year old girl until she left bloody tampons around

HOT!!!

You mean this didn't happen in Florida ? Sounds like a Florida story to me.

Fidgets!!!

r7 We must not forget the thumbtacks.

“Natalia was also accused of placing clear thumb tacks on the stairs face up so that they would step on them.”

Cutie pie

Was she leading disco dollies to a life of vice?

I hate when that happens!

The dad looks and acts way creepier than the "kid."

Dollface thread!

Was this the family that hooked Natalia up with her own apartment, no food money, and dipped out to Canada?

Dwarfs in Christmas stories? Try elves.

This was after Orphan was released. If they had only watched it first.

R18, Indiana is Florida North

And also more proof that Ukrainians are the cuntiest people on the planet.

I want a M3GAN and Esther from "Orphan" crossover movie!! First they try to kill one another, but then they team up and go on a murder spree!

This would have been a good Linda Blair vehicle as well. Jack Black can play the dad.

At one point, he tells the viewers: "You're gonna get the truth.

“I will pre-warn you, you might not like the truth."

At another point in the doc, Michael is seen punching the floor, as well as shouting out: “We were all abused!”

They didn’t notice that while she had a lollipop in one hand she was smoking a cigarette with the other?

I bet the dad was disappointed.

Who will play her in the inevitable biopic? Lea Michele?

Soft Cell has the biopic theme song all ready to go.

The girl’s medical condition made it difficult to determine her chronological age based on physiological factors, but photos of her before and after the adoption suggest that she was erroneously declared an adult. She looks like an adult now: her face and body have changed a lot. If she were an adult with stunted development when placed for adoption, the changes in her appearance probably wouldn’t be so dramatic.

The adoptive family had a genius autistic son who had been accepted to school in Canada, and the whole family (including his mother, who wrote a book about the genius son) planned to go with him. Canada doesn’t admit temporary residents with such severe health problems as the girl with dwarfism has, so the family couldn’t bring her into the country. They had to declare her an adult to justify bringing her to the US, and made no provisions for her long-term care.

*justify leaving her in the US

I wish this had been a Very Special Episode of "One Day at a Time" which ended with Ann Romano slapping her adult dwarf daughter quite viciously.

On her iPod?

This reminds me of the Bugs Bunny cartoon with the tiny robber who posed as a baby to retrieve the stolen bank money that had fallen into Bugs' rabbit hole.

It's so fucked up. She then ended up getting adopted by another family who claimed she never had her period or any of the other things the previous family alleged. If it's true that the first family lied, that means they left a severely disabled 8-year-old child alone in an apartment with no food or stipend, and dipped out of the state.

[quote]Who will play her in the inevitable biopic? Lea Michele?

"That 22 year old dwarf threatened to shit in my wig!"

Don’t Look Now 2: Electric Boogaloo

We had a great thread on this back when it first happened. Good times!

Yes, I remember the thread on this a few years ago. To my shock, the DL consensus was for the murder dwarf against the adoptive mom.

R35 dude on the left looks like a Jeremy Allen White/Jeremy Strong love child.

With a little Timothee mixed in.

I'm doing the Muttley laugh over this story/thread. She put thumbtacks on the stairs!

Hilarious thread!

Team Murderous Adult Sex Dwarf here.

R48, does that mean you (a) think she’s actually murderous, (b) are supporting her or (c) both?

What the actual..fuck!? Jesus.

R31 The dad seems batshit crazy. That was a good trailer. I’m already leaning toward team sex dwarf.

"In February 2014, Michael filed for divorce from Kristine.

"That same year, Natalia Grace was evicted from her apartment, telling authorities four months later that she had not seen her family since they left the country.

"A former neighbor near her residence remembered that the girl attended classes at Lafayette Adult Resource Academy.

"“She quit coming to class, and we didn’t know what happened to her,” Margaret Axsom said."

r34 Lea Michele ? No way - Beanie has her hands all over this script. And Beanie wants Ben Platt to play the father.

Nancy Walker would have been perfect for the part.

What's Gladys Cooper doing in that photo? BTW, red is NOT her color. 😏

The son looks like a classic example of a basement dweller

R56 Nahhh - he looks cutting edge cool ! A real social influencer, if I say so myself.

I don't remember this, so loving this thread. I've watched Orphan more times than I can recall, talk about life imitating 'art' (it is a schlock fest of a movie down to the dead nun).

I remember this!

I was definitely Team Murder Dwarf. I love a good underdog story and was never going to side with the annoying “autistic son team” mom. I wanted her to be an adult AND out for blood. I wouldn’t have blamed her - because the family sounded annoying as fuck.

I remember one poster kept going on and on about some kids have babies as young as 5/6 - so it wouldn’t be surprising that she could be a kid and have a period. It was a little weird because it was obvious those cases involved sex abuse and had nothing to do with a child just randomly menstruating at 6 or whatever age the dwarf was. That was the only time I was accused of being a frau on DL 😂

Good times on DL for sure…

the original thread (I don't know if there's more than one)

Fuck Indiana!

[QUOTE]Indiana is Florida North

Florida North is Wisconsin, trust me. So many strange, wild, and amusing stories emerge from that state. I'd say Indiana is more like Alabama or Mississippi with better universities. I lived in Bloomington for five years. Very homogeneous uninteresting state. Very openly racist in parts.

Wow, I never considered being Team Dwarf until this thread. Tell me more about why I should join!

I could see this as a dark sitcom with Amy Sedaris playing the dwarf as a mischievous Jerri Blank type with all kinds of sex predilections. Comedy gold!

WHET to her? The article doesn't say.

SVU had a story about a twenty-something year old woman posing as a homeless teen to get a series of foster home placements. There was the sex with underage boys angle, of course. I wonder if it was ripped from the headlines or the episode preceded this.

the episode preceded it and was 'inspired' by an entirely different case of an adult woman posing as a teen. I don't remember the name but I went down a rabbit hole when I first found out about it

This never happens when you adopt from China. Just saying.

Thanks, r66.

She looks like her pussy stinks!

R69 Totally agree. That cat stanks.

I'm not seeing what the facts are here. Is Natalia, in fact, a dwarf? Was she indeed born in 1989?

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

The Ukrainian mother had a birth certificate from 2003 so she was closer to 10 when she lived in the apartment.

She seems to be doing fine with the second family that adopted her. Michael seems like a spaz.

Adopted children are known to have attachment difficulties. Maybe she was a RAD pain in the ass sometimes but his freaking out on the floor makes me think they gave her a reason to act up.

Glad she found the family who likes her.

The Orphan film come to real life!

Creepy and this one is fug.

Yeah, I knew her, ya wanna make somethin' of it?

How did she try to kill them?

Poison perogies?

Exploding easter eggs?

That POS family totally watched the Orphan (their claims suspiciously started right after that movie came out) and latched onto the story to ditch her. They really should've been prosecuted for abuse to a child. Unfortunately for adopted kids, their families can turn on them. Guess it's actually common.

In case you rather read an article vs a video, here's one with the headline "Americans use the Internet to abandon children adopted from overseas" -- It's really fucked up TBH.

The average age of menarche (first periods) has dropped from about 16 to 11 over the last century. That's kind of shocking. So a 10 or 11-year-old having a period is not unusual at all.

I'm totally team adult sex dwarf murderer.

Fucked around and adopted Baby Herman.

This first episode premiered tonight. It doesn't mention the dwarf couple who tried to adopt her before she was with the Barnetts and said she was fine. The Barnetts have got to be a couple of psychos. The only thing is that the employees at the mental hospital (the only people on the show who wish to remain anonymous) said they noticed her pubic hair and trying to flirt with the men. Also they featured an employee of the creamery where the electric fence incident took place. Hot farm guy with his legs spread open. He says the fence was turned off that day.

“I am proud Hoosier. I’m starting my first year of college, but the pain of the Cold War is still heavy on my head. I feel it like it was yesterday….”

That's a total lie. She was a kid, the fundies who adopted her made shit up to justify "re-homing" her.

Stop making shit up to side with homophobic fundies

Team Dwarf.

Moms with Gifted and Talented children must be held in deep suspicion.

[quote]Nancy Walker would have been perfect for the part.

Or Linda Hunt

....

R77

Oof, that was a horrifying read.

[quote] Hoosier Family Accidentally Adopts Adult Psychopathic Sex Dwarf

I am watching this now. I don't know that the kid was an adult but she definitely wasn't a 6 year from another country that she lived in for 5 of the 6 years of her life.

The shrink that diagnosed her as a sociopath should lose their license, you can't diagnose children with that. Even if she was a tween (which seems at least plausible) all of her behavior lines up with a child with attachment disorder and an incredibly fucked up background. I don't think the average person is prepared for dealing with a child raised in the worst circumstances.

She could very well have been an adult. It's possible to have a growth hormone deficiency and dwarfism.

^ Hold up. Not the YouTube algorithm automatically categorizing that video as YouTube Kids! 😭

This show has EVERYTHING: a sex dwarf, a Good Christian Family(TM), pubic hair, a math savant, a big fat nosy neighbor, a 6 year old menstruating, a McMansion, and a hysteric of a father who may be a homosexualist.

And I'm only on episode 1!

[quote]a father who may be a homosexualist.

Ok. Cool. It wasn't just me who thought this as soon as he opened his mouth.

r91, episode two bring MORE DWARVES!!!!!

Lmao at the dwarf couple who wanted to adopt her from the first couple that had her. They said because they’re Christians they can sense evil. When they went to the house to meet her they said it looked like Camp Crystal Lake and that the driveway looked unsafe for a dwarf child to walk on. I’m thinking why would she be walking on the driveway?

[quote]Ok. Cool. It wasn't just me who thought this as soon as he opened his mouth.

Purses and parrots flying EVERYWHERE! He reminded me a bit of Duncan Nutter from "Showbiz Moms and Dads."

I could see Ross Mathews saying "Butch it up a bit, Mary."

And how the hell did they get away with changing her age to 21? Two doctors who examined her estimated her age to 8. It turns out 21 is just the perfect age to legally abandon her. The judge that allowed this to go through is a moron.

R77 yes, extremely disturbing. Reading pt 2 now…

R86 yes. His logic….

When Reuters first visited the Easons, Calvin wore a sleeveless maroon T-shirt with the words GOOD DADS MAKE A DIFFERENCE. He said he never improperly touched the boy he had babysat, and added: "I've got kids of my own I could already do that to. So why would I even try to do that to another child?"

Stinky linky, r97.

R99 yes, I noticed after the fact, but it’s not worth redoing.

Fair enough, r100. I really didn't need more of that in my head, anyway.

Oh, I forgot the father's ongoing dramarama about how the adoption facility wasn't in a fancy enough building for him. A dumb point to make and he kept making it.

I’m only maybe ten minutes in and the husband looks like a pedo. The overblown speaking and manner is to deflect deeply.

This is the kind of thread that makes me love DL.

Couldn’t they just leave her somewhere, like in a forest or outside an out-of-state Denny’s?

Also, do you homework. If there is anything that makes you think "hey maybe this Russian tot is really an adult sex dwarf, pump the breaks a few times". I can can take one look at that girl and tell she's no kid.

This is a really good doc! I’m on the edge of my seat! Wow. I’m at the part where the dwarf is in the insane asylum and she’s being thrown out for propositioning the male workers. They have the actual hospital workers commenting on the dwarf. That poor genius boy stuck with a head full of anxiety and living in dads basement with math equations on a chalk board near his bed. The cinder blocks really tie the room together.

The father trying to impress upon the viewer how well-off they were Before Natalia:

"We had SEVENTEEN TVs!"

In a five-person house???

Would have made a great vehicle for Linda Hunt 40 years ago.

[quote]t's so fucked up. She then ended up getting adopted by another family who claimed she never had her period or any of the other things the previous family alleged. If it's true that the first family lied, that means they left a severely disabled 8-year-old child alone in an apartment with no food or stipend, and dipped out of the state.

I was going to respond to this with “No one thinks she was an 8-year-old!” but then I read the rest of the thread…

I have no problem believing this dwarf slut was NOT an actual little kid when this happened.

I busted out laughing when Michael described the former foster family going to little people conventions, trying to hand off Natalia [italic]under the table[/italic] to couples: "HERE! You want a little girl, she's YOURS!"

r106 "Well, a 2019 investigation by BuzzFeed News found not only that those tests determined Natalia to be approximately 8 years old, but that a 2012 skeletal survey done at the same hospital found she was approximately 11. (If the 2003 birth certificate is accurate, those are pretty close to the ages she would have been in those years.) Michael allegedly told police that he knew Natalia was a child when they left her alone in her own apartment, a statement his lawyer says was taken out of context."

I somehow landed on this gem while researching this story.

Who was the adoptive couple? Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie?

I just finished Episode 3. I'm on neither team. Natalia is a psycho and the "parents" are grifting liars. Actually, they are all meant for each other.

There's a lot of talk about son Jacob, but what about the other two boys? Their faces are always blurred out.

I meant Episode 4 - I just finished Episode 4. All the episodes are available on the ID website.

r115 bah, any psycho behavior she has is a result of the abuse she suffered with them. And then they changed her age to an adult. Can you imagine being 10 years old and your parents say "We changed your age to 22, you're on your own now, bud" Her childhood was stolen away from her. The Barnetts are like cartoonish villains. This show is really an indictment of middle America. Everyone involved comes off as incompetent, except for the "white trash" family that finally took her in. Her poor mother in Ukraine must be shocked, thinking she was sending her off to America to have a better life and then this happens.

I LOVE that tough white trash mom who appears near the end. The one who was watching out for the dwarf knowing it was a kid out of her element in a terrible neighborhood. The woman who said she wore a gun even indoors. I love her spunk.

I felt like episode 4 just stopped without an ending.

Question WITH SPOILER FOR EP 3 ahead ...

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When our malevolent sex dwarf called 911 to self-report she was stalking a neighbor, which neighbor was it?

I remember everyone thought these people were so monstrous. I can’t wait to see the documentary too

R121 Natalia said that she wasn't stalking anyone. She was following Christine's directions to call the police and recite what she told her to recite.

Link below to Dr. Phil interview with Natalia and (R119) that 'trashy' mom and dad that took her in.

[quote]Her poor mother in Ukraine must be shocked, thinking she was sending her off to America to have a better life and then this happens.

R115 In the Dr Phil interview, they show a clip of Natalia's birth mother saying the baby was taken away from her.

I was looking for Duncan Nutter and couldn't find him, damn it! But I did find Debbie Klingensmith. Sorry to go off topic, but this will cheer everyone up.

Oh I found Duncan!

Oh! There’s a new episode today !

God that adoptive father is so fucking nuts.

Soooo many gossipy neighbors in Episode 3! That building was a hotbed of Mrs. Kravitzes.

The horrible abusive adoptive mom was doing the thing all the narc moms used to do on those family youtube channels --- placing a phone between themselves and the kid. And then recording every confrontation, every shamey moment, every punishment. I have always found that shit to be the absolute lowest of the low of modern parenting. Totally insensitive, really fucking callous, and decidedly unloving.

Michael Barnet reminds me of the balloon boy's father. It's all about them with no regard for their kids.

I never would have adopted or even thought of adopting such an ugly looking "child"

It's the truth

Little people are devious

Poor Jacob. He's the most thoughtful, articulate one of them all. Dude was born and positioned for greatness. But because his parents are a couple of ignorant, selfish douchenozzles, he's now living out his 20s in a PTSD hellscape in his dad's basement, with only video games and Popcorn Movie Nights with dad to dull the ache in his soul and his mind.

He'll spend the rest of his life down there trying to "crack the code."

I found Kristine's facebook. She's bragging about all the messages she's getting from men after the show aired her "erotic" photos. But she will not respond unless your name is Elon among others.

The dwarf is guilty, right? I mean, come on.

Freddie Gill freaked me out!

R135 Can you copy & paste any of her comments? I'm not on facebook.

R133 Yes, they are crafty. They have to be.

R115 True. They really are all carnies.

r135 from Kristine's facebook "I did go a bit quiet during this real time documentary from just complete shock. Remember I did not participate and I am watching this with all of the rest of you. When people are done with these allegations against me I will respond . Also anyone that knows me or knows my sons will know already what that response will be. If you are texting me out of nowhere with friend requests - no. Here’s a breakdown of how I need to respond to each of you. 1. I know you may have seen compromising photos of me . No I will not date you. We are not moving to Boca (this one is for one viewer in particular who will recognize himself ). If ID is trying to make me a Kardashian ok fine I’ll also own that one too, but I am not open to dating people who are watching these series. Do not try to pick me up. Do not try to phone me. Do not stop by. It’s not going to happen. Unless of course you’re George , Joe or Elon then ok 🤪 as previously discussed. The volume of male interest that has suddenly appeared is overwhelming. But the bottom line is (and listen to this one Investigation Discovery). Sex needs consent . Photos of me in sexually compromising positions from private conversations should have consent to be shared. I did not consent to sharing these and I do not appreciate my family and friends being exposed to my private sex life. Honestly I cannot describe my feelings about what has happened here even and the level of wrong this is. In regards to that I will own my own private life. What I have to say further is - I have had sex. Anyone here who hasn’t go ahead and judge me. We all got here from having sex. I come from a long line of sex having women and so do you 🙃. We are human beings and I am not ashamed of my private life. I am horrified about the way it is being revealed. I am currently being harassed as well , but I am not ashamed. I get how it sells documentary series. But this was going too far as with everything in this series. 2. Other friend requests - please just pm me. I’m not cold accepting requests. 3. Media requests - (same as two ) Further statements as of today . - Benjamin Pearson I love you. Thank you. I’m looking forward to the truth being made public even if this page is where it probably will have to come from , and I will tell the whole truth of it and I will own what I need to own in this all from my sex life to what kind of mom I am to how I initially from ten years ago to now am now handling all of this . Thank you ." There's a bunch of Karens in the comments saying stuff like "Not watching it. Don't want to. You are a good person. I read your book. Now that was good stuff."

R107 I'll make us a drink. Come sit over here.

Episode 5 is crazy wow. The mom is soooooo barf.

Yuck, that Facebook post.

But the dwarf is still evil, right? Both things can be true?

She also has a post trying to frame Natalia's new family as exploiters "I do feel I was the only one who really saw Natalia as a capable beautiful human being inside of the package I was presented and what she was going through. She was struggling with identity for who know how many reasons . It even made her violent . But I will say that all I did is what I always do - see a capable beautiful person . The saddest thing here is how dwarfism is being portrayed . The idea that the media will even use people with short stature to try to perpetuate current day ideas that short people are children or need to live in doll houses that are miniature or cannot make their own medical decisions or function in the real world is terrible . I never saw Natalia as any different than anyone. This woman embodies how I saw her. (Watch the video below ) The state of Indiana really does owe the dwarfism community huge apologies for trying to make it illegal to live an independent adult life with dwarfism . We have had equal housing and equal employment laws for this since the eighties . They should be ashamed of how they portrayed living as a whole person as a crime . Nobody should make Natalia’s decisions for her life but Natalia . I will always maintain that . She has rights . She can make any choice she wants to good or bad . You can think whatever you want to personally about me but never think my daughter no matter who she is or what age she is is not capable . My “crime “ was allowing her her rights the state gave her and that any disabled adult should have if they exercise their autonomy like she did . This is why she was put in my life because I would only see her as capable it’s what I do is lead the neurodiversity movement . It’s very sad that people (even courts ) still do not see people as capable when the Americans with disabilities act has been there since the eighties . This act applies to many of you. This case highlights how seriously things can go wrong when people are denied the right to an equal life,education, and equal treatment . This case and drama should move that conversation forward , the fact that a literal horror movie was made over this case and not a story of ability highlights that . We have to fight for our families to not become victims of guardianship abuse . Sadly I think this has happened to Natalia . Some people called the Manns have been using Natalia’s income for personal rent etc for a decade claiming to be her mom and dad . --continued in next post

Once someone self assigns your aging parent or adult son or daughter their Medicaid benefits this can and does frequently happen. Rosamund Pike (the actress who if you remember was once going to play me in the Spark the movie ) did a movie about this during this case. We all need to be aware . This can happen to your family , your children , and parents too. The Manns are not Natalia’s mom and dad and never were . When questioned in court they could not identify how many children they “have “. They put her money under their control . It’s killing me that this happened to her to this day . She may love them in some stolkholm syndrome way but she should have completed her education she moved to Lafayette and enrolled in school for . She was not “abandoned “ she was choosing to go to school. Natalia wanted to go to Ivy tech to then see if she could become an accountant and go to Purdue eventually . She is extremely smart . She is very capable . I still hope she does this one day . She dropped out of school when the Manns came, took her phone and apartment and would not let me speak to her again. We did not abandon her. Even years later when they tried to make this guardianship abuse permanent and themselves her “ parents” we went to court with medical evidence and prevented them from becoming her guardians fighting for her right to make her own choices and we won . That is not “abandoned “ that is concerned and actively trying to help. They are not her legal “parents “. This might sound mean but that is a warped perception of them , her , what their relationships to each other are and her capabilities . You cannot abduct a person when they are attending college , call them incapable , and have people seriously believing that you can just pick anyone in the world off the street take them home and make them your immediate family. Natalia to this day has a family in us , I may be divorced and I cannot speak for my exes feelings because there was a lot of drama happening due to a lot of confusion that honestly Natalia herself is responsible for making , but I have always loved and tried to do the best thing for her. She said she wanted to go to college , she moved to college. That is not a “crime “ Indiana. This is why this case should have been an illegal charge. The state should be embarrassed. It is 2023 and they are trying to make it illegal for disabled people to go to school. And they should have protected her from being abducted . I reported this to them when it happened. I begged them to help by calling adult protective services . She was clearly being exploited for rent money . The state also fails to ever say that they independantly first were the ones who decided to place Natalia in the world independantly with a social work team . We did not just drop her off . The state made this decision for us a year before Natalia moved to school . --continued

She was a resident inpatient in a hospital when she was reaged , they moved her into a very shabby shelter full of drug abusers . Natalia did not do drugs however she did choose to pick up smoking as an adult later and again that is her choice but the state trying to allege she was dropped off in a bad neighborhood by us is erroneous . They did that themselves . If you want to talk about neglect the shelter they found her the first day she lived independantly was for sale for 16,000.00. It was run down and dirty and later burned down . Let me tell you about when she was really “abandoned” and who abandoned her . It was the State. I found here there and helped her get safe housing after she called me asking for help. I did not allow her to be there one night and I got her medical teams and care for her transition to the independence the state first gave her . But the state is who put her in her first independant housing . This idea we dropped her off and ran to Canada is the most far fetched idea I have ever heard ." the end

Thank you for copying and pasting that.

It sounds like the dwarf really is an adult now, judging from that information. No 11-year-olds go to Perdue!

She is about 20 this year. Info I found online says children's hospital records show a doctor examined the Barnetts' daughter and approximated her to be 8 in 2010. The hospital conducted a skeletal survey in 2012 and approximated her age as being 11. So her birth certificate is correct. They tracked down her real mother in Ukraine and got a DNA match. If we're going by the Barnett's claim the mother would have to been 10 when she gave birth to Natalia. And she would have been 6 when she gave birth to her previous daughter. All evidence points to her having been a child at the time but the dumb court won't allow their previous ruling to be questioned.

This show has everything but MIDGET CUNNILINGUS.

Then comes Episode 6.

So small, yet so cunning.

These parents are assholes, that's for sure. The mom calling her out about her period and filming it. Why assume she knows how old she is? Wouldn't yo think she'd have been lied to too. She lied about being a kid to get out of a shitty orphanage. These parents suck.

OK, I now need an entire documentary on Freddie, the midget hoarder and expert cunnilinguist.

Waking up to the links of Showbiz Mom and Dads made my week. Thanks for posting! I hope all of those kids grew up to live healthy, happy lives.

The Queen... I mean the Father is so fucking annoying.

Michael Barnett is the pussiest pussy whoever pussed, R155. "SHE ABUSED ALLLLLL OF USSSSSSS!!! I STILL CAN'T STAND UPPPP TO HERRRRRRRR!!!!"

Having said that? She seems like a stone cold sociopath. The poor guy's probably got Complex PTSD from being married to her for all those years.

It's telling that the hypersmart son chose the father. I think that speakes volumes.

Episode six was INSANE!!!

Where is the father getting the money for a house, lawyers and sports cars?

Right, R158?

Wow the ending was so weird. He's so fucking weird and gross.

R154 Shane seems happy, he knew his mom was batshit. I think he's a singing gondolier at a fake Venice casino.

Is shame the oldest son? The genius? If so, the poor guy seems suicidal. The father shouldn’t be anywhere near him.

*Shane

r141 "Do not try to pick me up. Do not try to phone me. Do not stop by. It’s not going to happen. Unless of course you’re George , Joe or Elon then ok 🤪 as previously discussed."

What about me?

George who? Joe who? Lol

Yeah George Soros? Joe...Biden?

How did the wife get off the hook? She is and was totally deranged/abusive

George Bush? Joe Jonas? George Conway?

Goerge Santos? I know Joe must be Joe Rogan.

The male sex dwarf in ep 6 is fucking amazing!!! Hahahahaha wow. The makers of this doc did a great job of this. The editing is fast and draws you in. The camera work is all up in it. What did he say that the father screamed through???

r169 probably that he molested Natalia. I remember earlier they showed texts between Michael and Kristine and she said that Natalia tried to sleep with him.

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"I'm Beth Karas, legal analyst in the case of Natalia Grace Barnett, the girl accused of being an adult by her adoptive parents. AMA."

JOE MAMA!?

I really really really want to hit dad in the head with a baseball bat.

I've had the Dad's ridiculous histrionic performance in my head all day.

ROTFL me too, R175. He is this weird faggy shrieking banshee taking up too much real estate in my brain today.

Look at the picture story. She was totally a small little girl losing her baby teef when they adopted her.

ID is really milking this shit for all it's worth.

It's a hit, R178! It's fascinating as fuck.

Bring on the other side of the story. PLEASE.

I want to see natalia and Jacob reunite and hug!!

Was Natalia’s pubic hair explained? I believe they said she was 8 years old when she furred out.

It wasn't explained in the docuseries, R180. But they also didn't provide "proof," right?

If true, still doesn't mean Natalia was an adult. On Reddit someone in the medical field was talking about the possibility of "precocious puberty."

From the Google: "Precocious puberty happens before age 8 in girls, and before age 9 in boys. Signs can include breast growth, pubic hair, and voice changes. It may be caused by tumors or growths on the ovaries, adrenal glands, pituitary gland, or brain. In many cases, no cause can be found for the disorder."

Thank you kindly, R181.

When I originally read about this, the adopted father was the one going to give the child a bath “ and help her wash” and he discovered the pubic hair. I always thought that dad was a creep and pedo.

How many episodes is this?

What is up with Michael Barnett? He’s so odd. Can’t put my finger on it. Asperger’s like his son?

Six riveting episodes, R184. Once I started I couldn't stop! Binged four in one day and the final two yesterday as soon as they dropped.

A lot of people think yeah, some kind of spectrum thing, R185. He sure seems...not normal.

At first, I thought it might be possible that she was an adult. But once the doctor started talking about her x-rays showing growth plates and then her birth mother confirming she had her in 2003, I then realized that this is yet another case of our judicial system being broken. How the hell did a judge approve of her being aged up when there were x-rays showing she had growth plates? Only children have growth plates.

It seems like it left off unfinished in episode six.

Michael Barnett is batshit crazy! In his attorney's office, when he was asked to smile in the courtroom to put the jury at ease, he tested out such ridiculous smiles. And the way he could switch his emotions on and off in an instant when speaking to the camera, alone. The scene with the baseball bat! His posing and spouting shit while swinging the bat like a girl! Maybe the best scenes were the ones when he was on the floor - either pounding the shit out of the carpet or curled up in the fetal position. What a maroon.

Bipolar?

Severely closeted. So closeted it hurts.

If she was a kid she was molested with her weird behaviour

Remember that creepy photo they kept showing with the girl on her back with an old man over her? I think that was part of the first family that had adopted her... it made me sick to look at it.it looked obvious.

She solicited a man for sex when she lived in Westerfield. She was 8 years old.

R194 She didn’t look a day over 23. Honest mistake really.

After binge watching this series, I can't get it out of my mind. Here are my theories:

1.) The adoptive family was a selfish, yet somewhat normal group that got duped into adopting a child with special needs and such serious behavior issues that she had been abandoned by many familes.

2.) The adoption caused the divorce, but it also caused the wife to become abusive because the dwarf child's behavioral issues were constantly wanting to have sex with adult men and child boys.

3.) The boys in the family were traumatized by the dwarf sexually harassing them, and this set the parents off.

4.) The crazy father gave into the dwarf child's advances, and this set the mother unhinged.

5.) The father is a spineless piece of shit.

6.) The dwarf child seemed adult because she had become hyper sexual due to being sexually abused by both adult males and boys from the age of an infant at the orphanage, where she could not defend herself. This abnormal childhood of constant sex abuse meant she could never relate to men or boy in normal ways and only knew to try to bond with them by offering sex. This is why the adoptive father seemed nuts--he accepted her advanced and could not live with it. This is what drove his wife nuts, and this is also why the father gave up custody of his kids--the real reason--unlike the silly excuse he gave on camera.

Also/ Shane or Shame as some have aptly called him had his life ruined. For someone who was so well spoken and confident and a genius child prodigy pulling impressive scholarships and giving Ted talks, he is now a shattered failure of an adult, ungroomed and living in his father's basement. Not only did he not live up to his promise, he is not even functional. Something happened to him connected to his adoptive sister. He admits the mother convinced him to abuse her, and the abuse was somewhat sexual--in that he took his dick out in her room and peed on her possessions. However, I am willing to bet the true reason he is broken is that he, too, had sex with the dwarf child--just like his father. And the mother knows. This is the REAL reason the mother kept custody of the other two boys, not this one, and the real reason this father and this son are kicked out of the family and only in touch with each other and staying together amid the father's legal woes.

The whole thing is icky I ca t wait to hear more of the dwarfs side

That poor kid. What a fucking life.

The father has weirdly been able to function in a job and bring in money to buy a sports car and a house. Who would hire this guy???

That’s what o was trying to figure out r200. It must be one of those jobs where you interact with nobody

Maybe he does stock market stuff.

I read somewhere he’s a manager at stores like Best Buy.

“Michael has largely worked retail jobs over the years, working his way up from team leader roles to district manager roles for companies such as Circuit City and T-Mobile, In Touch can exclusively confirm. Now, Michael works as a District Director of Operations for a financial company in Indian“

R197 The son's name is Jacob

R196 You seem to be putting the blame on the husband/dad for everything falling apart, as though his debauched behaviors drove the mother/wife to violence. So then how do you account for the nymphomaniacal behaviors of the mother/wife in this theoretical scenario you've constructed? Compulsive sexting. Flirting with the sex dwarf Freddy Gill and offering Natalia to him?

Bump.

Please can we keep talking about the hoosier sex dwarf?

Maybe he got paid to make the documentary and used the money to buy the sports car.

Maybe he grows dwarves in his basement and sells them on craigslist.

IS IT A DWARF?

On the what - SIXTH hour of this thing the light bulb went off - Michael Barnett is Mario Cantone’s feminine alter ego!!

As a former prosecutor I could not understand why The State didn't appeal the pretrial evidentiary ruling that Natalie was an adult for purposes of his trial. The case was lost at that point, the jury had no choice. My guess is she wasn't 6 at adoption but she wasn't an adult. Mom is a psycho and Dad is a codependent wimp. Also clearly she was sexually abused by somebody.

He's like a mix between Mario Cantone and the late Billy Mays.

Can you imagine walking in the door and your wife is beating this small person on the floor - and you don’t do anything??? You sit there and eat your popcorn and watch tv and allow that poor girl to stand facing the wall until she urinates because you are afraid of your wife? Would he watch his wife beat a dog or a cat? ……. When I saw Natalia walking into court with her bright purple walker - I thought - of course!! A walker!! Why didn’t they get her a walker??!!!

Because they are scumbags.

When you see her later interviews, it is obvious that she was a child when she went to live with Mr. Community Theater 2023 & fam. Her face went from that of a young child to an adolescent to an adult.

Those people treated her terribly. I can’t imagine making a disabled person stand with their nose pressed against the wall at all, let along 8+ hours. No wonder she’s fucked up.

Yeah the family are assholes except for the kid. The mom constantly video taping her and grilling her, asking her about her period and telling her to tell the dad about it is gross. And the dad is clearly living beyond his means, his lambo is a lease I'm sure. The sex dwarf had a hard life, I'm sure she didn't want to live with the Barnetts. They probably did it for the social security money and then realized it was harder than they thought.

Was Christine fucking the black attorney? I’m only to the part where the attorney called out the spine doctor for “disrespecting” him.

You know the part where you know beyond the shadow of a doubt that Michael Barnett is a C U next Tuesday? When they really went to the Ukraine and got the DNA from her real mother who ALSO LOOKS like her and we KNOW Natalia was born in 2003 - and Barnett throws his hands up in the air and rolls his eyes back like JMJ Bullock and brays, “Weeee Don’t know who this woman is!!! We don’t know about these DNA results!! it could be ANYTHING!!” What an ass. No remorse.

Ha R218! Fucking JMJ Bullock ref, I love you! You nailed it.

How humiliating to have your donut taken so unceremoniously on miniseries airing on an international streaming service.

The donuts! That detail has really been bothering me. Why was the adoptive father so very upset to find a box of donuts in the dwarf girl's apartment? He starts freaking out, interrogating her, asking where they came from, demanding to know the expiration date. She then lies to protect herself and says she just found old donuts in her cabinet but they're still good. You can tell she's trying to say anything up to appease him because he's about to take those donuts away. But why? And he was the one filming that moment, which makes him look bad. What the hell was he thinking?

Time to hide the donuts!

The adopted father was seriously triggered by donuts.

That's because whenever she'd eat a donut in front of me she'd stick her tongue through the hole like a suggestive little sex dwarf!

I think they were freaked out that someone else most likely bought her the donuts. And s*** if they bought her this big brand new box of donuts they must like her? Come into the apartment? Speak to her? Be concerned about her? And if that,’s the case he could be in big trouble soon!

Why did the adoptive mom contact that little man, pretend to ask for dwarf parenting advice, then start sexting him, sending sex photos of herself, and then offer up the dwarf girl to the little man for sex? Did she plan all along to pawn the dwarf girl off on him or did the sexy talk just go too far? I found it hysterical that the little man said on interview how offended he was because he had NEVER had sex with a little person and never would, even though he is a little person. Did anyone else catch that and find it odd?

^^^

Because she’s a malignant narcissist.

I thought the dwarf was disgusted because she was a kid

Why don't they cut off her leg and count the rings?

Dr Phil interview of Natalia and the couple she wound up living with after the Barnetts.

I love when the lunatic father makes popcorn in episode 4 and starts crying and acting melodramatic, while the incel son popcorn with an expression on his face that indicates he thinks Dad is fucking nuts.

It was hilarious while the creepy dad was talking about his gross ex wife using sex as as weapon while they showed her dirty pictures with her school marm face.

She sexually abused him by not having sex with him, he said.

Literally the only normal, sane, grounded person in that family was the adopted Ukranian child sex dwarf.

I still think it's possible she was much older than reported on her birth certificate. For instance, she seems way older than 16 in the Dr. Phil episode.

r235 That's probably because of all of the shit she went through at a young age. I've known people who were in the system (foster care) and they always seemed so mature for their age, but they were my peers. Severe neglect can force one to grow up fast just to survive.

I can’t believe the mother was trying to fuck a dwarf! And Dad looked like a gay in a midlife crisis getting out of that Miata.

I thought it raised more questions about everyone involved.

They showed Natalia with a girl that had the same condition as her and they were supposed to be the same age but there was a significant size difference between the two, and the little girl was representative of what a 6 year old with that condition looks.

No follow up about the adoption agency or the family that had adopted her before the Barnetts had. When they supposedly saw she has pubic hair, why didn’t they take her to a pediatrician or an endocrinologist? Same when she started having her period.

Natalia was living in the Ukraine but had no accent or residual accent and according to Michael she knew very little about her homeland.

The neighbors at her first apartment all had nothing but bad things to say about her. She was inappropriate with their kids, she has horrible body odor, she broke into their houses and none of them believed that she was 8-9 years old, but a young adult.

I wonder what happened to the other 2 kids, did they go with their mother or other family relatives? The other son was pissing on her bed and stuff at the request of his mother as some kind of revenge. Natalia was supposedly smearing feces on the walls and I guess their sons? I didn’t see any real follow up with the accusations like “why didn’t you call a social worker, child psychologist etc…”

She was taking adult level classes and quit but it didn’t sound like she was struggling or having difficulty with them.

Agreeing with R238.

I had a neighbor years ago - I always said if it was a movie Patricia Arquette would play her - we met because of a cat (I moved and took the cat) “Patricia” scared the Hell out of the both of us - she was a sweet young woman but she always reminded me of a Manson girl. She grew up in Foster care. She was married and had kids of her own but everything always came back to growing up in foster care - awful stories. But being a good person and or friend to this young woman was impossible. She would call and call. If I didn’t answer the phone she would show up at the door. It was my mom’s house but that seemed to annoy her that I had a mother! I did a lot of power walking in those days and she would show up on my walks. Then she would tell me she had guns. Then she would SOB wanting to know why her cat (she hoarded cats and dogs) escaped to my house and preferred me. I used to worry that she might hurt the cat or my mom. Is it that Natalia and “Patricia” never learned the appropriate social cues? OH - “Patricia” was over sexualized - she was that Patricia Arquette babydoll pretty but dressed way too young in short shorts and boobies and bra straps. When my mom and I (and Kitty) moved I didn’t tell her - we left like the von Trapps pushing their car down the dark driveway to make it over the alps Lol - That chick SCARED me!

R238 on the Latina dwarf girl they interviewed, I thought it was funny how she said that Natalia looked older than 6 because she herself could pass for at least 24 and they said in the interview that she was 14. So if she was 14 in 2022 (assuming that’s when the interview was filmed) that would have made her 2 years old when she played with 6 year old Natalia. They’re not the same age. Also it makes sense that Natalia didn’t have an accent. It’s much easier for young children to learn a new language. She was supposedly 4 when she came here. If she was an adult con artist when she came to America she would’ve had a much harder time dropping the accent and learning English.

After reading this thread, I have GOT to watch the series.

you simply MUST r242!!

What is this streaming on?

ID. I took a free week's trial of Discovery Plus to get it r244

Thanks, RC.

The series made it very clear the dwarf girl is a pedophile of young boys. Numerous different people being interviewed said they witnessed her attempting sex acts with very young male children. I think this is the source of much of the trouble, why so many families got rid of her and why so many assume she is an adult due to her sexual aggression and inappropriate sexual advances.

r247 Or. The more likely scenario, she was [bold]also[/bold] a very young child herself who was sexually abused and was acting out sexually with her male peers as so many young children who are victims of sexual abuse tend to do. The adults in her life abused her, causing the behavior, and then more adults who should've gotten her help just discarded her like trash.

Florida gives out children like fucking puppies. Zero accountability from the “adoption “ place. Florida is a scary place for disgusting behavior.

I’m on part 3. The father is awful and so full of shit. And stupid. The son tells him the mike is on and he continues speaking.

Natalia is a very sad, pathetic, damaged person who has never been loved. As others have mentioned, she seems like she was sexually abused. It’s almost like when being a baby stopped working she began being sexually provocative. I though all the apartment complex neighbors were provincial.

Kristine is vile.

I loved the vinegary old bitch who lived next door to the sex dwarf in her first apartment. And I think the sex dwarf also tried to fuck the cute married neighbor, because he seemed freaked out.

R251 Yes, he used the term “almost borderline inappropriate” to describe her behavior. I would hate to know what he considers definite border-crossing inappropriate.

I just finished watching this. At the end of episode 6, they flashed something about dismissing the wife's case. Max minimized the screen and I couldn't read it. What happened?

[quote]Max minimized the screen

Probably one of the most annoying features of an app I've ever experienced. Who ever came up with it should be drawn and quartered.

I admit the mechanics of the justice system are foreign to me, struggled to make sense of the courtroom dynamics the last few episodes. It was Natalia vs. The Parents who had to present a united front to win the case, while at the same time diverting blame off of themselves and onto each other? And once that case was over, the wife took the husband to court, the husband retaliated by taking the wife to court, and the husband's case was dismissed meaning there is an upcoming trial where only the husband can be found responsible if found guilty? But what could the wife be suing for, it sounded like she was the one calling the shots in the situation. Would have loved her participation in this documentary, not only for clarity but so less attention would've been focused on that trainwreck of a man. I also don't understand why Natalia's age couldn't be addressed in the case, unless they campaigned so hard due to a sexually inappropriate relationship with the father, as someone suggested upthread. Very shaken by the foreperson of the jury saying they all felt there was a miscarriage of justice. There should be procedures in place for the jury to petition for a retrial if they do not stand by their verdict. I went in to this thinking it would be mysterious, but by the end I was gutted for everything that happened to that poor girl. How does a person move past that level of damage and neglect in childhood.

I don’t understand how Kristine dodged so many bullets…… OHHHH - forgive me if it has been discussed but WTF with that Belly button? Sauce pan? On that shirtless old pediphile at Natalia’s second apt?!!!! BLLLLeeechhh!!!!!!

Kristine seems like an even bigger cunt than her ex husband

R256 That, my friend, is what is known as a hernia. Yes, it’s nasty.

Married neighbor gave off a tranny vibe.

I see on max that it says there is a NEW episode this week! I’m excited.

The new episode features Natalia on-camera.

I don't know how these people live with themselves after leaving a disabled child to fend for herself in an apartment. My God. The footage of Natalia struggling to move that garbage can is haunting.

The adopted father and his fucking sports cars.

Did anyone notice that when they showed Natalia’s paperwork from her first US adoption, the adoptive family had given her the name “Natalia Lourdes Ciccone”?

WHEN THE FUCk does the new episode air?????

Are you here for the methadone program, r264?

I didn’t see anything on MAX indicating a new episode this week.

R266 The series is over.

Yes, but a follow up documentary from ID is coming!

[quote] “This year, ID has proven that premium true crime content resonates with our viewers across all our platforms,” President of Turner Networks, ID and HLN, Linear & Streaming Jason Sarlanis said in a statement. “The Curious of Case of Natalia Grace held twists and turns that viewers couldn’t get enough of. This incredible story is far from over — we’ll be serving fans the next chapter when we drop Natalia Speaks later this year, further cementing this series as the true crime event of the summer.”

[quote] Yes! But it’s not so much a second season as it is a follow-up documentary. Warner Bros. Discovery recently announced that a new installment, The Curious Case of Natalia Grace: Natalia Speaks, will debut later this summer on ID and Max.

Per WBD, the new doc will feature “shocking and emotional access to Natalia Barnett as she tells her side of the story, exploring her account of what happened behind the closed doors of the Barnett family home and addressing allegations against her head on.”

[quote] No exact release date has been announced, but Warner Bros. Discovery noted that the documentary is slated to air in the summer of 2023.

Will Peter Dinklage be hosting the follow-up documentary on ID? Will Dinklage at least offer comments to educate the public on what it means to be a sex dwarf and how potential adoptive parents know the difference between an adult sex dwarf and a child sex dwarf when adopting?

I wonder if she’ll reveal anything explosive like that Michael touched her

Natalia is a miracle. She deserves a better future. I hope she makes money off of this doc to help her., she’s a Fighter. She has lived through SO much. I hope they set her up with a book deal and a ghost writer. I’d like to see the adoption place closed down and exposed.

I watched up through episode 4 with my partner last night. When the episode was over, I told him “there’s a thread on Datalounge where people are mostly convinced that this chick REALLY IS a fucking 6-10-year-old girl. What the FUCK?!”

Seriously it feels like I’m taking crazy pills reading this thread. How clueless are you people? The testimony of MULTIPLE people at the mental institution means nothing to you? You honestly think a 6 or 8-year-old or whatever she was is going to have her period, pubic hair, and speak like an adult? Did we watch a different series or something? She told the neighbors she was 22, and even told one of them (the car mechanic?) she was 26.

Yes, she needed to be living with someone, not on her own. Not because she was a child but because she had a severe disability.

Yes the adoptive parents are fucking nuts/gay/horrible people, but that is beside the point. She was an adult, a sociopathic, serial child molester at that. Nothing Kristine or the gay dad said or did changes that fact.

And NO, the testimony of her birth mother doesn’t mean anything.

r272 As stated earlier, bone scans proved she was a child. The birth mother is definitely important. If Natalia was really an adult that would mean the mother was 6 years old when she gave birth to her first child. Also how did Natalia learn to speak such perfect English if she came to the US as an adult? Adults have a much harder time dropping their accent. Those mental hospital workers seem pretty fishy to me. Notice how they're the only people in the whole documentary who won't show their faces. And why did they put a female patient in a ward with males?

Looking at her as an adult in recent interview brought me around to thinking she was an adult. I can see how she grew into that face from how she looked as a kid

[quote] [R272] As stated earlier, bone scans proved she was a child. The birth mother is definitely important. If Natalia was really an adult that would mean the mother was 6 years old when she gave birth to her first child.

Why would a child speak like an adult, have pubic hair, and make sexual advances toward older men?

And no, being molested doesn’t cause you to speak like an adult when you’re with adults and like a kid when you’re with kids, and it doesn’t cause you to go through precocious puberty.

I’m sorry, but I don’t believe bone scans on a person with her disorder can be definitive, and I don’t trust anything coming from her mother’s mouth.

You’d also have to ignore the mountain of evidence suggesting she was an adult circa 2012 or whenever. There’s more of that than there is evidence she was a child.

r276 Growth plates, disorder or not, are extremely hard to miss to even the untrained eye, let alone a doctor's.

How do you explain her mother in Ukraine?

Precocious puberty is not that uncommon, although it was irresponsible for them to not take her to an endocrinologist for followup. Sexually abused children are often sexually overt. It's bizarre to leap to "adult grifter" based on these attributes.

Do they talk about dental records at all, or do they think finding the mother and showing bone scans is enough so they didn't bother? Teeth can provide an age estimate as well.

Looking at the photos of her when they brought her home vs now and it's plainly obvious that she did not yet have her adult face.

OP - hilarious! That's the best thread title and one liner I've seen on DL for a long time. A+++

It’s interesting that the first season caught fire but no one seems to discuss the follow up season (which I didn’t watch).