Jackie Zeman is DEAD TO ME

Jacklyn Zeman has been a beloved member of the ‘General Hospital’ and ABC family since she originated the iconic role of Bobbie Spencer over 45 years ago. She leaves behind a lasting legacy for her Emmy-nominated portrayal of the bad girl turned heroine and will always be remembered for her kind heart and radiant spirit.

We are devastated by the news of her passing, and send our deepest condolences to Jackie’s family, friends and loved ones.

May she R.I.P. I'm hoping there will be a grand sendoff for Bobbie onscreen. Terrible to find this out.

Ok - that just tears it. People from my youth are dying. I used to race home on the school bus to see bad girl Nurse Bobbi scheme to get Scotty away from Laura. Didn’t she pretend to be pregnant? Argh. We are all getting old.

I was never really a big GH fan, but I always liked her when I did watch.

I wasn’t expecting that! She was such an integral part of GH for decades-wasn’t Luke put on contract to take some heat off the Bobbie character, who the audience hated for breaking up Laura and Scotty?

If they make her memorial all about that asshole daughter Carly and that mumbling lunatic Sonny, I will toss a brick through my TV screen.

NOOOOO!!!!!!!

I never knew that Sarsh Michelle Gellar's Twitter handle is GayPatriot.

They should let Sarah Brown play Carly for the funeral scenes.

I loved Jackie but....

70? Was that in Zeta Jones years?

Last spring I went through a phase of watching 80s GH on YouTube. She was a great actress, and old Hollywood-style beautiful.

Cancer

Very sad to hear this.

She drove so much story in the 80s and 90s.

RIP

A few weeks ago. Oh my.!!

This was Bobbies reaction at the Nurses Ball last month. In hindsight I suppose we should have realized something was up.

Jackie had so many surgeries over the years it's a miracle she could move her face.

There’s a NYE video from her IG where she’s clearly wearing a wig. How sad.

A little over a month ago.

R17 She wishes she looked that good. Those filters are annoying.

She would slap. Viciously.

"Sarsh Michelle Gellar's Twitter handle is GayPatriot"

She oughtta know- she MARRIED one!

Why did she fuck up Her face ? She had the perfect natural nose

She had a lot of charisma on GH

I loved her Jersey accent.

I’m shocked. Used to watch GH with my mother. I remember her mostly from the years she owned the Brownstone. I haven’t watched the show in years, but I was recently channel surfing and she was on. She was such a mainstay. I am curious how she died. I hate to say it, but I hope it wasn’t during a cosmetic procedure. It looks like she had multiple facelifts.

My first thought for cause of death was tragic plastic surgery fatality, after a certain age anesthesia becomes harder to tolerate. Official story is cancer, but who knows. Isn't hubby a plastic surgeon? Would be bad for business.

This is all that bitch Nina’s fault!

R8 That would be epic. If anything, they'll probably have Sarah back as a guest performer, similar to Yvette Nicole Brown at Epiphany's service. Possibly Tamara Braun too, although she left on bad terms.

How old was Jackie. I do know she was married to the late 1960s DJ Murray the K.

Murray was 30 years older than Jackie. He died of cancer shortly after they divorced in 1981.

How the hell could she only be 70? I agree that must be in dog years.

R30....I thought the same thing. No fucking way was she 70. I was a little kid when she was on GH. Oh hell no!!. Calling her 70 is like calling Maxie 150 pounds at the Nurses Ball. LIES!!

Vee, who’s in the biz, is making this all about HIm. Fucking asswipe. RIP Jackie and fuck off Vee, who’s in the biz.

The Hollywood Reporter article title was Jacklyn Zeman Dead. So cold and callus.

R.I.P Jackie, thanks for all the good memories . for 3 yrs, I'd hurry home from school to watch GH, and Always loved your storylines. Really sad.

I liked her, I was a big GH in the mid to late ‘80s & loved the rivalry between Lucy & her. I only tune in every now& then I watched the Nurses’ Ball eps, & it was so nice to see her, I laughed out loud when Lucy crashed though the banner during Bobbie’s eulogy of her, & her stunned reaction, “Lucy, you’re alive?!?”

I remember a jokey Soap Opera Digest pic of her titled: Orange You in a Good Mood? She’ll be missed, she brought a lot of happiness to so many people.

Has Rachel Ames commented yet?

Will Terry Brock or Jake Meyer or HOT Lucas come back for the funeral? Considering how thin and pathetic the Nurses Ball was I can't imagine how cheap Bobbies Funeral will be.

[quote]So cold and callus.

Oh, dear.

R37, I'm surprised General Hospital is still on.

They should have B.J. come and escort her into the great beyond.

And then castigate Maxie for straining her heart!

GH is unwatchable. It's also very cheaply done and it shows. Jake looks like he is ready to go on a rampage at any moment. You can see how badly he wants to off his whore mother. Of course that would be interesting so GH won't go there.

An old story on her foreclosure.

Will Lucas Lorenzo Spencer come out of hiding (and his faked death) to attend her funeral? Were they close?

Alan Sarapa and that fat slob Casey hutchinson can both shut the fuck up now. They are assholes. They deserve each other. Pretending to care about Jackie when they have both criticized her plastic surgeries. Hypocritical assholes.

R45, why did she have so much plastic surgery?

I hope they have the good sense to wait until the strike is over to memorialize her. This shouldn't be left to the scabs.

And Sarah Brown will appear if asked.

Her face predeceased her.

It’s gonna kill me when Rick Springfield dies

Irony. Constance Towers outlived Jackie Zeman.

Lots of assholes in this thread. Wow.

And not sure why 70 seems so unbelievable. Genie is 60 and Kin is 69. Bobbie was in that age group when she arrived.

Very shocking and sad news. This death hurt. So many from my youth, (90s kid) are dying.

Sad. I believe she was 70. The math works. Funny what you learn after the fact tho. According to Wikipedia her first movie credit was Deep Throat Part 2.

I just saw it on the news this morning. Only 70. Loved her on General Hospital back in the day.

Rest in peace Nurse Barbara Jean "Boobie" Spencer Brock Meyer Jones Cassadine

Omg, watching the clips at R19, I forgot that Bobbie was married to Tony. That’s when GH was still good in the Brenda years. I can’t believe how bad the show got. They sidelined the vets and any new character that came along was barely featured unless they were involved with the unholy trio of Sonny/Jason/Carly and the endless dumb mob storylines. Are they still dominating the show? I thought OLTL was the far superior show at the time of cancelation, but GH had more of a legacy and I guess higher rated. It’s crazy how in like 20 years, they went from dozens of soap operas, the genre having its own cable channel, magazines etc.. to 4 shows now left.

I think soap operas will make a comeback in 20 years, but with new shows. Not GH, not OLTL. Completely new shows.

I don't know how these soaps survive. Huge casts, sets, writers, hair/make up and crew... and for what? 2-3M viewers on a good day.

That’s every day. That’s not bad. Luke and Laura’s wedding scored 30 million.

Lol, R57, streaming platforms will spend $100 million on prestige limited series that reach a fraction of that.

Abbott Elementary, ABC’s primetime break out hit, does 3 million in L+3 on a good week.

Hey - GH has something like 200,000 women 18-49 viewers - their target demo. That’s enormous! lololololololololol

That Barbara Jean is a HUSSY!

I was surprised at the people who were questioning her age. When she started on GH in the late 70s, she was part of the "young" scene. 70 seems about right.

Given that she was just on a few days ago and Leslie Charleston hasn’t been seen for over a year, this is really not the GH obit I was expecting to read.

This one hurts.

[quote] I think soap operas will make a comeback in 20 years, but with new shows. Not GH, not OLTL. Completely new shows.

What an odd and arbitrary prediction.

Why, kween?^

I think Rick Springfield would appear as well.

I just want to see Viki Sleestak again.

Jackie took Jessie’s blue sweater when Emily McLaughlin passed. I wonder if she still had it? I’m gonna tweet Jackie’s daughters and ask them.

Poor Kin Shriner must be devastated.

R7 r20 I never watched General Hospital. Who is Gay Patriot and WTF is "WDW gay concentration camp"?

She was truly a terrific actress. One of her best storylines. One of GH best storylines

Gay Patriot is some conservative troll who trolled re Jackie's death. He has absolutely zero to do with the show or anything related to Jackie, he just made a joke in very poor taste.

TVLine article

I’m just remembering Wendy Rich announcing John Beradino’s death when she accepted the Best Series Emmy in 1996. That was said, but you know, he was…old. Jackie wasn’t old. Except that now, she’s only about ten years younger than he was when he died.

Sad and yes, surprising news. I think the age is right. I found high school yearbook pics of her on ancestry.com from 1969 and she looked about 16ish in them.

I haven't watched GH regularly since about 1996, and only rarely tuned in since then, and the quality of the show has dropped dramatically since then, but when she was on, she never phoned it in. She really added a lot of heart to the show. Her acting during the BJ dying storyline was one of the most heartbreaking things on the show.

GH at its best, R71.

She is now home with the Lord.

Victoria Lord?

sad.

Tracy Lord(s).

Has Jane Elliot issued a statement yet?

SJB's tweet was warm and detailed. LW's tweet was short and matter of fact: "RIP, Jackie. Thanks for giving us Bobbie Spencer to enjoy all these years." Even Snarly Jr. Eden's statement was warmer. Gawd, I can't stand LW.

We used to call her Jackie Semen.

Sure, kween^.

She always brought the goods.

Has Chavez commented yet? Or is he all about himself and ME ME ME?

R47 IA with both

R82 LW never surprises me lol not at all. Out of all of the Carly's, she seemed to have the least mother/daughter chemistry with Jackie.

Laura Snaggletooth Sisk is lucky she escaped that gas station in Maryland. What a fucking cunt.

[quote]LW never surprises me lol not at all. Out of all of the Carly's, she seemed to have the least mother/daughter chemistry with Jackie.

By the time Laura Wright joined in late 2005, the show was barely using Jackie Zeman. Brian Frons had ordered that Bobbie was no longer a character the show should write for since she was over 50 and should only be used minimally. Frons did that with virtually all the veteran actors except Luke and Tracey.

So, when LW came on the show JZ was rarely around for them to play mother-daughter scenes together.

Is LW the current Carly? I really only like Sara Brown and her replacement.

Yes, LW's stank ass currently pollutes GH as the fourth Carly.

Before that, she stank up Guiding Light and Loving/The City.

I was shocked to hear this news. I watched GH in the 1980s. I know none of us ever expects to hear something like this. This one hit me hard just like the death of Lisa Brown (from GL and ATWT). It was reported that Lisa also had a battle with cancer. This does make me a bit sad.

LW *did* have a longer tribute on her Instagram page, apparently.

I’m waiting for Tamara Braun’s statement. She and JZ were very, very close during her Carly years and after.

She really did luck into a charmed career. I think she did a few bit parts in Hollywood, then took a class in soap opera technique where a daytime programming casting director spotted her.

And that was that.

[quote]She really did luck into a charmed career. I think she did a few bit parts in Hollywood, then took a class in soap opera technique where a daytime programming casting director spotted her.

I don’t think this sort of thing happens anymore, and it’s sad. I always loved these stories.

A class in soap opera technique would be hilarious to watch. I’m picturing Henry Winkler’s character in Barry.

It's warmed my cold, black heart to see how much out an outpouring of emotion there's been on social media. Bobbie hadn't been front and center for over 20 years, and yet there are scores of people posting memories of her. And a lot of the cast member tributes have been lovely.

She just always seemed so grateful to still be around. She often tweeted Frank, thanking him for including Bobbie in an episode. It was kind of sad, really. She helped build that show and then ended up thanking that hack for an appearance here and there.

There was a school in NYC that taught soap opera acting techniques for many years (along with regular television acting and commercial acting) called Weist Barron. I think it's actually still around in some form under different ownership, but not sure they still teach the specific soap technique. Larkin Malloy was one of the teachers there for a while. Some of the alumni that became stars in the biz included Peter Reckell and Crystal Chappell.

Has Tony Geary commented on Barbara Jean's death?

That clip at R85 reminds me a bit of the SMG Kendell - Lucci Erica scenes. When is the last time a younger actress or actor came on and truly invigorated the show with fresh blood and elevated a veteran's scenes? Also, when is the last time they let a confrontation go on like that without doing a quick cut-away to another scene? I understand why they sped soaps up, but sometimes you really should milk out the drama when things come to a head, and am not sure that happens that much anymore.

If I remember correctly, the Bobbie-Carly relationship did not magically heal when Bobbie finally accepted that Carly was her daughter. There was no insta-bond.

[quote]Has Tony Geary commented on Barbara Jean's death?

His twitter hasn't been active since 2015. I don't think social media is really his style.

except grindr or more likely growlr

[quote]Why did she fuck up Her face ? She had the perfect natural nose

I dunno, but she'd been messing with her looks for a long time. That was a topic on various discussion boards more than 20 years ago, when the character was still getting stories of her own. Around '99, she suddenly had enormous breasts (predictable nicknames ensued: "Boobie," "Boobzilla"), and her face started to get that stretched, inappropriately surprised look.

If I were to see a 1999-2001 clip, the work she had had done at that time would probably look mild now, because she went back for more and more in ensuing decades, but it was startling at the time. Not in a good way.

Someone above noted that Frons didn't want her heavily featured, but she had had a decreased presence for a while before he got there. I always wondered if the extreme cosmetic surgery was a reason. If she were trying to maintain an appearance of youth and vitality in hopes of still being in the thick of things, it was bad strategy. I stopped seeing her in Excedrin commercials talking about her migraines around that time too.

None of that takes away from the major point that her death is sad news, and she was a major presence on that show for a long time. I hope whatever the cause was, it was a peaceful and painless passage.

[quote]except grindr or more likely growlr

More like criplr or gimpr, since he retired due to a major back problem.

"Here you are feeling up your post-pubesecent girlfriend in my house with my son upstairs. And you have the gall to sue me for custody on moral grounds!" Her infamous Emmy clip from 1997

She was naturally beautiful. Her insecurities ( being in this cruel town) got the best of her . Plastic surgery is the devil. The name “ PLASTIC “ is telling

Kin Shriner tribute.

I loved when Bobbie would call Lucy "that woman".

[quote] Has Tony Geary commented on Barbara Jean's death?

He's deferred to Susan Dey.

R110 Kin looks great !

Has Robyn Bernard emerged from the stairwell to pay tribute?

Kin is still attractive but damn was he a hottie back in the day. I loved Jackie Z, but more in a camp way. In her early years she always reminded me of Magenta. The show's second tier cast (Scotty. Bobbie, the Quartermaines, the Webbers, Heather) were always what kept me watching. Luke and Laura irritated me; he was a jerk and she was an idiot.

R114, Terry was insufferable. Such overacting ugh

Is that Rhoda's husband Joe at R114 ? Good acting by JZ - but he could have been in a Carol Burnette skit and hopefully the woman in the stairs exited the show shortly after.

New York Times obit

[quote]Why did she fuck up Her face ?

Because Hollywood is cruel to aging actresses.

Genie's husband, Jonathan Frakes, even tweeted his praise and condolences. She really was well liked.

R90 True, yet it was also Jill Farren Phelps who had a problem with most older women too (and non-blondes) unless they were friends of hers (like LW).

What I'm saying is that between 2005-present, their scenes together over the years have always seemed non-mother/daughter, compared to the others.

Oh...Kin's tribute 😭

R106 Oh right I'd forgotten all about her being an Excedrin spokesperson lol

Right she was starting to get phased out shortly before Frons arrived, then Frons/Phelps pretty much phased her out entirely. I felt bad for her since she wanted to stay on; although the plastic surgery most likely played into it, I can't blame her for getting it, for she was working in a youth-obsessed industry and unfortunately, GH wasn't interested in too many actresses over 40 at that time, seeing how Felicia was phased out as well and Lucy wasn't brought back full-time after Port Charles ended. Frons/Phelps were like-minded in the sense that they preferred younger actresses, give or take a few exceptions. Carly was the leading female by then and with the mob front and center, Bobbie unfortunately became secondary as Carly's mom. It wasn't until Frank and Ron that Bobbie was on more, even if for not too long, she got more under them than she did under Frons/Phelps, who had her relocated to Seattle.

R92 😆 😆

R96 There's a story of how she landed the role on GH- apparently her character on OLTL, Lana McClain, was killed off. In her final scenes, Gloria Monty happened to see the episode on the monitors at the ABC studio. She was impressed and stated that she wanted that actress on GH.

R103 Actually the character of Carly was loosely based off of the Erica/Kendall storyline. Sarah Michelle Gellar had even auditioned for Carly after being fired from AMC, as well as Tara Reid, Steve Burton's then-girlfriend. Someone suggested to SMG that she shouldn't even go out for the role, since it was too similar to Kendall, and that she should try her luck outside of soaps, leading to her being cast as Buffy.

daaaaaamn

Honestly, how did Jackie not win awards?

She lost her three Emmy races to Rena Sofer, Cynthia Watros, and Michelle Stafford. For whatever reason, she wasn't nominated for the work she did in 1998.

She was also nominated in 1981 when she lost to Jane Elliott.

Either Jackie or Sydney Penny should have won in 1995 over Rena Sofer.

WHET the actress who played the nutty and dangerous Heather Webber back in the 80s? She was really good too.

I think that Zeman was lucky to have not been relegated to standing behind the nurses' station with a black polyester sweater over her nurse's uniform like poor Emily McLaughlin as Nurse Jessie Brewer! McLaughlin also remained on General Hospital from the very first episode until the day she died!

R133 Robin Mattson? She was Heather during the 80's. Very good actress, although retired now, for the most part. Now whenever Heather appears from here on out, they will still have her played by Alley Mills.

This pic from Robin Mattson’s Instagram made me feel 100 years old.

I don’t want Gina Capwell or Heather Webber worried about hip surgery.

Jackie left GH briefly i!n 1981, didn’t she? I am surprised Marland didn’t nab her for Guiding Light like he did with Jane Elliot. He always spoke highly of Jackie.

Yes, Jackie was off GH in late 1981 or early 1982 for about 6 months. Seeing if she could land other acting gigs. When nothing ever came up, Gloria welcomed her back to GH.

If Marland had nabbed her, what role would he have given her on GL? What late 20s female characters were debuting at that point? Lisa Brown was already the star of the GL as Nola by that point.

The two that come to mind (and she probably wouldn’t have been right for either) is a recast Rita Bauer, or Maureen Reardon. I can’t see Jackie as a matriarch figure even though Bobbie sort of took on that role.

For either Rita or Maureen, it would have been a bit of deSORASing going on for Jackie to play the part.

Maureen debuted in late January 1982, so the timing would certainly have been right for Jackie to play the part.

Rita was so identified with Lenore Kasdorf, I doubt Marland would have risked fan outrage recasting Rita with someone else just six months after Rita left town in summer 1981. But it would have been intriguing casting to put Jackie in the part.

She fucked *everyone* through the years over there. God bless and rest easy, you’ve earned it.

That fat stupid fucker CaseySHutch has to insert his fat ass into everything by sending a tribute to Jackie to everyone in soapland- making it all about himself and not Jackie. Fat Casey never even met Jackie. Dumb soap twitter fans. No wonder the execs laugh at the fans. Inserting his fat ass as if he was a GH cast member was a stupid idea.

[quote] I don’t want Gina Capwell or Heather Webber worried about hip surgery.

I think I’d read somewhere that Robin has Parkinson’s, which is even worse, somehow.

[quote] She lost her three Emmy races to Rena Sofer, Cynthia Watros, and Michelle Stafford. For whatever reason, she wasn't nominated for the work she did in 1998.

I don’t even know which of those I think she deserved it the most. I perhaps have the strongest memories of 1998.

As GH devolved over the years, so did the character of Heather Grant Webber. She returned periodically (Mattson) but each time her character got sillier to the point she was finally a cartoon. GH has a terrible habit of bringing back fan favorite characters only to thoroughly trash them. Also see Frisco Jones, Rick Webber, Paul Hornsby, Holly Sutton, Duke Lavery -- I think Robert Scorpio is one of the characters to come back more or less intact, and that because Tristan Rogers will fight for it.

Never heard of Robin having Parkinson's, but she did have knee surgery last summer and also needed to have hip surgery according to a posting she made on social media back in November. With all of that happening, it's not so surprising they had to recast.

[quote]GH has a terrible habit of bringing back fan favorite characters only to thoroughly trash them. Also see Frisco Jones, Rick Webber, Paul Hornsby, Holly Sutton, Duke Lavery

...Stefan Cassadine. Not a decades-spanning character with a storied history, but he did have many fans from his first run, and his return was so annihilating that if you had liked him before, you wished they'd left well enough alone. First they had him get half his face burned off, and then he was skulking around in the tunnels trying to rape Lydia.

I forgot to mention both Sean Donely (who reverted to being a ruthless con man after decades of redemption) and Dr. Noah Drake (who went from charming bachelor to alcoholic jerk who abandoned his sons). I think the powers that be must hate classic GH knowing what shit they're producing now, so they deliberately seek out its annihilation. In one of the most bizarre rewrites of history, they had Susan Moore give birth to twins and not even know it. LOL

I think Robin reminds me a bit of Marj Dusay. Both are/were talented and both did great work. Both had characters that leaned into villainy and comedy and both have played roles in a very grand and over the top way.

For Robin: Gina on SB, Heather on GH, and Janet on AMC

For Marj: Alex on GL, Pamela on SB and Vanessa on AMC

I think "over the top" is a hard tightrope to walk and sometimes writers and directors either want to make it all even bigger, or just don't direct and let the actor go big. Anyway, I think both of them had the situation R142 describes.....where the character devolves or just becomes a cartoon.

R101 was it like the Haney School of Television Acting? Always say your lines into the orange juice can and never EVER look into the tomato juice can.

R52 they are from my early adulthood…I was probably around 22 late 70s when the ABC soaps were at their best.

I feel extremely vulnerable as they die off….must have been exactly how my parents felt as their peers died off

As far as her awful plastic surgery, she looked no worse than other celebrities her age that filled their faces with filler.

Kin's Insta tribute was touching, but it obviously took some time to put togther. Seems like family, friends and the show knew about her cancer battle.

This year's Nurses Ball gave her a bigger story than usual and also had a flashback tribute. Looking back now, it certainly seems like a well deserved "send me my flowers while I'm still around" homage to her. Similar to the one they gave TG.

The obese soap twitter queens had to make it all about them! They texted the stars! Give people room to grieve!

Is there gonna be another soap twitter funeral? What a joke!

She sure knew how to slap a bitch.

As if that huge porker bitter twitter queen Casey had to tag Valentini and say “look at this tribute I did for Jackie”. Um, fatso Casey, Frank has more access to old time GH than you’ll ever have. Frank doesn’t need some fat frau to send him old GH clips. So stupid.

That tribute clip that fat Casey did wasn’t about Jackie. It was about Fatso trying to get himself a job on GH. So shameful.

Obese soap twitter is CREEPY! They think they are personal friends with the stars and execs. Those people do not care about you! They will end up as toilet scrubbers at the studio, just like Vee, who is in the biz, you know. Vee is in the biz! You know!

The show definitely knew. Not only the Nurse's Ball tribute and the Spencer women photo but having Bobbie blow a kiss as she exited the gatehouse after the photo.

Is there a clip? I want to see!

I found. Good clip. I cried.

Blowing the kiss at 2:40.

I was very moved by all the kind tributes to Jackie. Kinda nice to think you get that kind of reward for being a kind and decent person.

I thought that NB montage was for her actual show anniversary? I could be wrong. A lot of the cast seems shocked so I’m not entirely sure most of them knew.

I know people dragged her acting but I thought she gave some terrific performances over the years. I loved her and Kin in this scene.

For a moment I thought it was Barbra Jean from Reba.

Don't really know this one.

Aw, Kristina...

From Kimberly McCullough:

R135 I'm guessing that she wasn't interested in anymore soap roles at that time, so that could be why Douglas didn't cast her, for she probably was trying her luck in prime time or films, seeing how GH wasn't her first soap. She might've figured if it didn't work out, shed just go back to GH.

*she'd just go back to GH

R139 Name names or it didn't happen 😆 😆

Tamara Braun on Instagram:

[quote] I don’t have the words. This shocks and hurts too much for words. I want to hug you. Laugh with you. Share stories. Talk real talk because that’s what we did. I can not believe this is true. How is this true? I don’t have the words right now. I’m heartbroken. My love is with you and your beautiful Cassidy and Lacey, your beautiful grand babies, your fur babies and everyone who was lucky enough to know your heart and love. No words to do you justice. This really hurts. I love you. I cannot believe this. #love

Someone mentioned the parallels between Jackie's passing and Lisa Brown (an actress who was on GL and ATWT) and they gave me a moment of pause.

Both played characters created by Douglas Marland, bad girls who came to town to stir shit up and who were eventually reformed.

Both died of a very quick moving cancer at roughly the same age (Lisa was 67, Jackie 70).

And, perhaps most coincidentally.....one of their final scenes, if not THE final scene, had them leaving a room, waving and blowing a kiss......

S P O O K Y.

Her best friend in the cast was Kristina Wagner. They continued their friendship even when Kristina or Jackie left the show.

Wow r167

I'd never really thought about Bobbie and Nola being so similar before. But they really were.

How weird that both blew kisses in one of their final scenes.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[quote]I know people dragged her acting

Like who? I’ve never heard or seen anything like that.

Sarah Brown was really something on GH. It's weird that her career never really went beyond being on other soaps and guesting on various hour long tv dramas.

Last night, ABC's World News Tonight, did a short segment on Jackie's death. They showed a clip of Bobbie and Scotty from 1978.

I did not recognize the person from that 1978 clip as Jackie Zeman!

Jackie has had so much plastic surgery, the person in that 1978 clip looks nothing like the Bobbie we've seen recent years.

I know R171.

Here's a picture of her in 1978 before her nose job.

Jacklyn talking and clips of old Bobbie start at 12:57 in.

*old Bobbie clips

From the official GH YouTube.

TVLine said her last episode (the wedding) has already aired and a tribute or onscreen death may be delayed due to the strike.

I would never wish ill health on anyone but I have a sad feeling Leslie Charleson may also be very ill, so it may be that GH loses two OG legends within a short time.

Tony Geary Statement:

GH‘sAnthony Geary, who played Zeman’s TV brother Luke for nearly 40 years (until his 2015 retirement), was among those honoring the actress. “For 40 years, I was fortunate enough to play Jackie Zeman’s big brother on General Hospital,” Geary told TVLine late Thursday in an exclusive statement. “In all those years, I never heard her utter one disparaging word about any actor, crew member, or co-worker. In fact, I never heard Jackie express an unkind word about anyone, ever. In a highly competitive profession where ego, feelings, and emotions are bread and butter, I’ve found this quality to be extremely rare. I expect it will be even more rare now that dear Jackie is gone.

“She was quite simply one of the kindest, sweetest people I have ever known,” Geary continued. “I will miss her laugh, and the deep, soulful look in her eyes whenever she expressed the love and pride she had in her two lovely daughters. Tonight, l already miss her, and feel a powerful ache where Jackie’s smile used to be.”

So that waste of time tribute that Fat Casey twitter queen did to try to get a job at GH was useless???? Oh no. The dumb fat bastard should have known that ABC and the official GH youtube page has much bigger and better access to old GH clips. Guess Frank wasn’t impressed with Fat tubalard Casey.

MARY!

The fat soap twitter queens are morons. They think they run the genre. Oh, cool, you think you’re bff with the star, writer, or exec who’s convenient for you at the moment? Utter lunacy.

Liz Hubbard is still laughing her ass off beyond the grave at her lame soap twitter memorial service.

BOBBIE!

[quote]I would never wish ill health on anyone but I have a sad feeling Leslie Charleson may also be very ill, so it may be that GH loses two OG legends within a short time.

I mean, Rachel Ames is 93 and Constance Towers will be 90 in a few days.

R184 I know, VOTN.

But we've heard rumors repeatedly over the last year about Leslie's health.

This thread has made me sad…I was never a huge GH fan, but Bobbie/Jackie was one of my favorites when I did watch.

I’m going to be really wrecked whenever we lose some of the AMC (*my* soap) actresses, like Lucci or Barr. Other than the older actors like David Canary, Eileen Herlie, etc., the AMC mainstays are still with us.

[quote]But we've heard rumors repeatedly over the last year about Leslie's health.

Oh, I know.

But I would have honestly expected the latter two to be moving on first. I don't want to lose any of them.

And speaking of OG, Roy Thinnes, who I think is the only surviving Day 1 cast member is 85.

Bobby and Lucille always brightened my day - I always caught the end of GH while waiting for Dark Shadows to come on.

[quote] I’m going to be really wrecked whenever we lose some of the AMC (*my* soap) actresses, like Lucci or Barr. Other than the older actors like David Canary, Eileen Herlie, etc., the AMC mainstays are still with us.

For those of us who were As The World Turns fans - a huge chunk of cast members were at or near 90. We lost Kathryn Hays and Elizabeth Hubbard in the last year, and there's at least a half-dozen more cast members who are at that stage of life.

And of course Maeve Ryan herself, Helen Gallagher, is NINETY SIX years old and still kicking.

[quote]And of course Maeve Ryan herself, Helen Gallagher, is NINETY SIX years old and still kicking.

I was just wondering about her the other day.

We're going to have to arm wrestle over who gets to sing "Danny Boy" when her time comes.

I will be pretty sad when Erika Slezak dies, and although not much of a fan of hers- Ms. Lucci.

!!!!!

When are the obese soap twitter queens holding Jackie’s twitter funeral? Will her fam attend? Will their bffs (apparently the whole GH cast and execs) attend? Will they use Jackie’s twitter funeral to promote podcast soaps with 5 listeners?

I will be devastated when Lucci goes. Yeah, yeah, I know all the arguments about her acting, that’s she’s maybe a Republican, she’s anorexic, etc. I don’t care, I can’t help it, I love her.

ATWT mid 80s, early 90s was the only other soap that I almost liked as much as AMC, and I’ve been sad over all those actors we’ve lost in the last couple of years.

Lisa Brown and Jackie Z are particularly sad since they were relatively young.

Off topic I know, but has Lucci reconciled with her daughter?

I'm sad for most of the NYC soap actors when they go. It was a unique world they were in, a great hybrid of TV and theater, and I'm sad those shows are no more.

[quote] Off topic I know, but has Lucci reconciled with her daughter?

Not if I can help it.

If you were to ask me what I miss the most of about the NYC soap scene, it would be the crossover between the shows and Broadway. It was just such a great gig for theater actors, either to keep the lights on between jobs, or something that was easy to do during the day while they were on stage at night.

I wish there was money in reviving it, somehow.

R198 VOTN, me too.

Unfortunately NYC soaps needed to make some big changes about 20 years ago to survive. They needed to return to 30 minutes (they didn't) and they needed to find a cheaper way to be made, especially with the high cost of raising and storing sets - which unfortunately meant production needed to be somewhere outside of NYC. A shame they didn't find permanent studio space in Connecticut or NJ or somewhere where some NYC theater crossover could still happen.

[quote]Other than the older actors like David Canary, Eileen Herlie, etc., the AMC mainstays are still with us.

Ahem.

[quote]A shame they didn't find permanent studio space in Connecticut or NJ or somewhere where some NYC theater crossover could still happen.

I still think the Prospect Park revivals could have worked...if they'd started with one show and then built out. Trying for two at once, especially when people weren't yet habituated to streaming, they ran out of money too quickly.

I always hated that Agnes Nixon had to see her babies die twice.

David Canary's end was so sad. He really looked out of it and bewildered during the reboot. And when he did die his family was so tight lipped about it.

R201 Yup.

They did too much, too soon. Ten years later and it would have worked.

[quote] He really looked out of it and bewildered during the reboot.

Are you sure that wasn’t just him playing Stuart?

His family wasn't that tight lipped about it. His daughter talked about his dementia at the time of his passing. He was apparently in the earliest stages of it during the AMC reboot.

His daughter did raise the question several years after his death whether football injuries and CTE could have contributed to his cognitive issues.

Tight lipped wasn't the right wording. What I wanted to convey was that there was obviously something wrong during the reboot and it was glossed over. I recall thinking he had that lost look in his eyes and even his hair looked kind of unkempt as I've seen with dementia sufferers.

r204, no he wasn't playing Stuart when he looked lost to me.

David Canary may or may not have deserved Emmys for his portrayal of Adam, but his acting as Stuart was embarrassingly awful.

R198

I remember seeing House / Garden on Broadway…there was Maureen Bauer in the flesh on stage!

She lived on my block, with a lovely little girl. I think she dumped the husband but kept the townhouse in Chelsea.

HEY! Focus on ME! CaseySHutch! Frank, here is my job interview, erhhh I mean Jackie tribute! It’s ME ME Casey , needing a job!

This is a little eerie: BJ's bus crash aired exactly 29 years ago today.

R210 So Jackie Zeman chose to die so close to BJ’s bus crash? So ereerieeee! Smh

R210

GASP!

David Canary was having problems with the dementia near the end of his run on the show when it was still on ABC. It wasn't obvious until his appearance on the reboot though. It was really sad. He was really beloved by virtually everyone on the show.

They wanted to get as many vets out as possible with the move to LA, thinking many wouldn't want to make the move, but all did except for Canary and Ray McDonnell. Lucci didn't move but decided to commute instead.

[quote]They did too much, too soon. Ten years later and it would have worked.

Yeah, but the original soaps would have been10 years further into the past, and more cast members would be elderly or dead.

I SENSE that Lucci and Liza's feud was over money. I suspect it was regarding Liza's business and funding for it...

Her business seems to be doing alright...

I think she lives in Boston area.

She was very matter of fact on an instagram post after her father died that she "had been estranged from her parents for a while'"... She was responding to someone sending their condolences..

I suspect that Lucci has a CUNT side- like a massive one. And Helmut was probably a tough cookie as well.

Thanks r215. What is LIza's "business"?

I seem to recall Liza had a child with special needs....

I suspect you are right about Susan.

In the 40 or so episodes of AMC 2.0 that Prospect Park produced (before shutting down), David Canary was only in a handful of episodes. And he had very limited dialogue in those episodes.

The final episode he was in, Canary didn't have any dialogue at all. Adam just appeared at the end of the episode to intimidate JR. The threat of Adam arriving was looming throughout the episode, so it was a nice buildup to his arrival. But the episode ended with his arrival at the house, He didn't speak a word. And the next episode, Adam was not there. Nor in the episode after that.

At the time, I remember wondering if Canary had dementia. Why have the actor come to the studio and film that scene but not give him any lines to say? Seemed quite odd. Extremely odd.

So, I was sad to learn he died two years later and had had dementia. But I was not surprised at the dementia was the cause.

When is moonface soap queen hosting Jackie’s twitter funeral?!? We need to know!

That fat fuck Casey is gonna tag Valentini when he hosts the twitter funeral for Jackie. And it won’t be about Jackie. It will be - hire me Frank! I’m fat moonfaced Casey. Hire ME!!!!

R199, I always thought it would have been a smart idea for TPTB of NY soaps to find studio spaces in northern New Jersey (e.g., Jersey City or Hoboken). These cities were thisclose to NYC and I suspect a lot cheaper to do a show. It seems like it would have been a smart business move (for someone who was brave enough to do it) to build a production studio close to NY but much cheaper than NY. The space could be used for TV shows, commercials, music videos, and films.

R220 And they did try to move in that direction. GL did about 70 percent of its scenes in Peapack, NJ for the last 18 months of the show.

From various things I've read, the biggest cost for most NY soaps was storing the sets and having studio space to raise them. AMC moved to LA because of the same issue in its last 2 years on ABC.

I keep wondering why new shows, or old shows, didn't start moving to other cities.....obviously NYC and LA have their benefits but I'm surprised no one created a soap with production near Chicago. Or any number of other cities.

Someone sends condolences on your parent passing and your response is to then mention that you've been estranged? Looks like the cunt doesn't fall far from the cunt tree.

The fat soap twitter queens will not rest until they are on the writing teams of every soap! They have revolutionized the genre with their podcast soaps!!

Dumb Dylan will have the scoop! He will beat simple creepo John to posting the scoops!!!

Vee is in the biz, you know!! The biz! You know!!

......

R171 Sarah Brown unfortunately became blacklisted after her relationship with her daughter Jordan's father, Shuki Levy, went sour. Besides her stint on ATWT (as Julia), her return to GH (as Claudia), then her roles on B&B (as Agnes) and DOOL (as Madison), she was limited to guest spots in prime-time and small feature film roles because of the power he had over her career. He was also "allegedly" responsible for having her laid off at B&B and fired from DOOL, both distributed through Sony, while also "allegedly" ensuring she was no longer able to work on any projects for Sony. Before that, he had her fired from Cold Case, once he became aware that they were planning to expand her role by making her a permanent cast member. He didn't mind her staying in soaps as long as they weren't under the Sony umbrella, due to his connections there; however he was more interested in preventing her from having a career outside of soaps.

On a side note, Sarah was asked to return as Carly in the spring of 2005, after she left ATWT (who wanted her to stay as well) when Tamara Braun decided to quit. They informed her that it would only be for six months, since Frons/Phelps had already intended for Laura Wright to join in the fall, once her contract with GL was up. This was after they asked Tamara to stay, who refused; Sarah also turned them down, which is why Jill reluctantly cast Jennifer Bransford, knowing that she'd be able to "trade her in" for Laura in the fall.

I love Susan Lucci as well, and for the most part there aren't too many instances of her being a bitch lol except there is the case of her having Sarah Michelle Gellar fired from AMC. It was the day after SMG won the Emmy for Outstanding Younger Actress. Apparently, Lucci was livid, to the point where she demanded that either Sarah goes, or she would. Sarah was handed her walking papers almost immediately afterwards. It was always a "rumored story" and the press tried to spin it, saying "Kendall quits" yet SMG confirmed that Susan Lucci actually had her fired, several years later.

When I moved to NYC to go to drama school in 1981 being a working actor on a soap was like an attainable dream. I lived near the now demolished ABC studio on West 67th Street, and everybody knew somebody who'd gotten a contract role on a soap. Coming off the huge late 70s soap boom saw everyone enjoying some "Love in the afternoon", and I even read for a contract role on Ryan's Hope in '83, or '84. I didn't get it, lol.

It is so strange that there were seven, eight, or even more soaps employing hundreds of actors a day paying their mortgages and putting their kids through school, and a fairly rabid fan base watching them year in and year out, and now completely gone. It seems like a very long time ago...because it was.

One of the main reasons why the New York soaps never made permanent studio moves to New Jersey or Connecticut is because P&G wanted out of the soap business for good, so they were already planning the cancellations of GL and ATWT, even when there was filming at Peapack. Brian Frons wasn't too keen on OLTL and he wanted to get rid of them as well. His "master plan" was to spare GH and AMC, while driving OLTL into cancellation; as someone stated, the NY soaps were becoming increasingly more expensive to produce, and with Procter & Gamble washing their hands of soaps, that would've left AMC and OLTL.

Frons moved AMC to keep it on the air, and a bonus for him was to have Rebecca Budig back on AMC full-time, for she had relocated to LA after her first stint ended (in November 2005) and after a failed attempt to have her as a Brenda recast on GH, he was finally able to lure her back to AMC in the fall of 2007 (after Greenlee had already been recast with Sabine Singh) and featured those disrespectful "the real Greenlee returns" promos. She aired from Jan. 2008-Feb. 2009, then left again primarily due to being bicoastal, so the move to LA for AMC in the fall/winter of 2009 facilitated her return.

Frons' plan backfired, for OLTL did consistently well in the ratings and demos, besting AMC and sometimes even GH with many commenting how OLTL was ABC's better soap. Frons cancelled both since there wasn't any justification for cancelling OLTL on it's own when AMC was doing worse than them.

A lot of vets from AMC weren't thrilled with having to film in LA. Bobbie Eakes and Jacob Young were happy about returning to the west coast, however the majority of older performers who had homes and families on the east coast were not ok with it, though some did stay on, while commuting back and forth. Susan Lucci was against the move and expressed interest in possibly not staying, for the actors were given options to leave. While there was interest in either Deidre Hall joining AMC as a recast Tara Martin, with Tara positioned as the lead character (which she was originally supposed to be, prior to Erica outshining Tara) or even Genie Francis joining, Lucci ultimately agreed to remain on canvas.

R227 Interesting past, it seems like you enjoyed yourself. Do you happen to remember which role you auditioned for on Ryan's Hope?

It would be in their best interest to have the current writers pen Bobbie's memorial instead of scab/temp writers, so if they have to wait until they're no longer striking, then so be it. Temp writers material would start airing around early July.

R207, I remember as a realllly little kid being extremely put off by the Stuart character. I knew both that the entire character was strange, bordering on offensive, and that the acting was bad. I think it’s one of the reasons I never glommed on to AMC.

R231 Lol Stuart started off as the "imaginary friend" named Willy, of Devon McFadden's daughter, Bonnie, so it's funny that as a child you were put off when the point was to make him kid friendly. It's unfortunate what happened to David Canary in his later years, poor guy, may he R.I.P.

Recast Bobbi Spencer with Susan Lucci.

Kristina Wagner is a sweetheart. I’m so sorry about her younger son

R225 Was Sarah's ex really that powerful?

There was a period of time a few years ago when Sarah ranted about her ex on social media extensively and it made her appear unwell. But that's what narcissists and sociopaths do, they make their victims look crazy.

I do recall during those rants she went on about how someone at GH who was "like a mother" to her could have helped her prove what the ex was doing to her career but wouldn't help because her husband did business with her ex. I suspected it was JZ at the time but I believe, I'm not certain as I stopped paying attention after a while, that it turned out it was Genie.

[QUOTE] Luke and Laura’s wedding scored 30 million.

Yes. 42 years ago.

[quote]Interesting past, it seems like you enjoyed yourself. Do you happen to remember which role you auditioned for on Ryan's Hope?

I wish I remembered, but I don't. He was a scruffy young kid, who was wise, but in trouble as I recall. I am a more cleancut type, and I sensed right away from the guys in the waiting room I was a bit of a stretch.

[quote] Agnes Nixon had to see her babies die twice

That's nothing. I had to bury A.J. three fucking times!

R235 Yes. He was well known in the industry for having worked on several popular cartoons in the 80's, before his breakout hit "Mighty Morphin Power Rangers" put his production company on the map. He was introduced to Sarah through a mutual friend, one of the female stars of Power Rangers (I think it was Kimberly, The Pink Ranger, played by Amy Jo Johnson). Shuki was married to actress Deborah Skelton (Dallas) and engaged at the same time to Shell Danielson (Dominique, GH) while he pursued Sarah (he was planning to divorce Deborah then marry Shell right after it was finalized, until he met Sarah, who was practically 30 years younger than Shuki). Shuki had alot of connections so that's why it was so easy for him to have her blackballed once she walked away from him (Sarah has accused Shuki of sexual assault, she told the Power Ranger actress what he did, and she told Sarah he did the same to her, too; she warned Sarah that he would retaliate if she ever rejected him- he promised to advance her career, while also having her drunk driving charges handled early on in her career, around the time he cast her on his other show, VR Troopers, due to his connections within the LAPD. Sarah says that she had no idea he was married to Deborah and engaged to Shell until her daughter was almost two years old, when they were in court for a custody agreement. She also says that none of the women knew each other were all involved with him).

Sarah was living in an apartment that Shuki owned, and he also lived there with her (she paid him $900 a month) while she was on GH. When she broke it off with him, she had friends over to celebrate her breaking it off. Shortly after, the apartment was set on fire; when arson investigators asked her if she knew of anyone who was possibly trying to kill her, she named Shuki Levy. However, Shuki was never charged. Prior to that, Sarah was also pregnant by Shuki, before she was on GH, in 1995; Shuki had Sarah go film a movie, with action scenes, to make sure that she miscarried. He also had another 19 year old pregnant at the same time as Sarah, while still with his wife and Shell. He also tried to kill his wife by putting a gun to her head, threatening her. He also spit in Sarah's face, while she was holding their daughter, and told her, "I'm going to take away everything you love, one by one." Sarah also discovered that he was recording her phone conversations and had surveillance all over his house to watch her every move. He did the same thing to her own house that she shared with their daughter, he had secret surveillance set up in her home, for his good friends and family members had access to her home when she wasn't there, for the sake of their daughter.

Long story short, Shuki and his business partner, Haim Saban, are well connected throughout the entertainment industry, with connections also running through law enforcement and politics. Sarah was also present upon Shuki and Haim receiving a corrupt deal with the SAG Union, she didn't hear the terms of the deal herself, however Shuki later informed her of the deal.

She also says that he attempted to kidnap their daughter and that he had a history of being with younger women, who had similar stories of being sexually assaulted by him, roofied and raped. He had a younger girlfriend named Tori Avey (who was 21 when Sarah was 30) that he eventually married; Tori was with Shuki during the kidnapping attempt. Sarah was gaslighted by him, and since he's so well connected, he made life difficult for her at every turn.

R236 Also, she accused Vanessa Marcil of no longer supporting her as well. She was close with Vanessa during their time on GH together, and years afterwards, until Vanessa, according to Sarah, began to distance herself from Sarah while also remaining quiet in regards to everything Sarah told her about Shuki. Vanessa was, most likely, trying to save herself from being blacklisted. Sarah was accused of being psychotic and out of her mind after all of her rants, what made it worse was that she was having difficulty in terms of corroborating her stories since everyone she confided in wouldn't publicly speak out against him.

Sarah Brown is a terrific actress. I hope she lands a prime time show one day.

If all of that really happened to Sarah, it's horrendous and that guy should be prosecuted. That being said, I could also see why coworkers might have thought she was losing it because the story is so over the top and they didn't want to encourage or enable delusional thinking. Tricky situation. for sure. Even if only half of it happened, Shuki still sounds like a scum pig and I hope he gets his comeuppance.

[quote]I do recall during those rants she went on about how someone at GH who was "like a mother" to her could have helped her prove what the ex was doing to her career but wouldn't help because her husband did business with her ex. I suspected it was JZ at the time but I believe, I'm not certain as I stopped paying attention after a while, that it turned out it was Genie.

Genie Francis is the last person anyone should expect help from. When Genie leaves that set, she doesn't give a fuck about any of those people. Genie is NOT Laura.

He owned their condo but she was at the same time paying him as her assistant or manager, presumably? Or wait, the $900 was her rent?

I agree r244, she's not Laura. It dawned on me a few years ago that none of her co-stars have ever raved about her. They always say what an icon she is and what a good actress she is but no one ever says what a great or even nice person she is. Except for JPS who raves about her and her husband because they always bought him dinner when he just starting out and broke and both he and Genie were on AMC.

A beautiful smile does not equate to beautiful person.

Genie’s a bitch. Nuff said.

R245 $900 was what Shuki charged her for rent, since he owned the property (possibly co-owned it with a partner, however she paid the rent to him), so it was possibly a discounted rate. He also lived with her at the apartment, when he wasn't with his wife Deborah or his fiancee Shell. He also proposed to Sarah and she accepted, not knowing of his other relationships, or the other girl who was pregnant at the same time of her first pregnancy. Sarah also believes he set the fire not only to kill her, since she was home with a few friends staying over when the fire occurred, she also thought that it was a way for him to let his friend/business partner Raphael move into the apartment at a reduced rate, since it was damaged by the fire.

*She had a few friends over the night before, that was the night of her celebrating the end of her relationship with Shuki. The friends were the Power Rangers actress, her boyfriend, and Sarah best friend from high school. The best friend stayed overnight, and the fire happened when they were both there the following morning.

So, not only does he keep a "stabbin' cabin" to screw his sidepieces, he gets them to pay for it, too!? He must have had some powerful penis mojo to dickmatize 'em that hard! Straight men everywhere would idolize this schmuck.

Cheer up sleepy Jean

[quote]Her best friend in the cast was Kristina Wagner. They continued their friendship even when Kristina or Jackie left the show.

No matter how many times I've watched it, that Bobbie-Felicia scene -- when Felicia realizes that BJ was the donor -- is one of the BEST scenes I've ever seen on daytime TV. Or even primetime? Both actresses were brilliant. I wept all afternoon. I know, MARY! But seriously, you had to made of fucking STONE, if they didn't get to you in that moment.

Back to the thread topic, while it is very sad to lose Jackie after so many years on GH. We need to keep in mind that while some are here longer than others, life on this earth is only temporary for all of us. It is eternal life with the Lord in Heaven that truly matters.

[quote]STONE

I loved this storyline. GH was amazing in the 90s.

That heart transplant story was devastating, and I wasn’t even a regular GH viewer—but I watched those episodes and they were so powerful. Right up there with when AMC’s Brooke finds out her daughter was killed by a drunk driver.

Hah, R254! I almost added "no pun intended" in parenthesis after capitalizing Stone -- but felt that would be a little over-the-top/cutesy (for such an important character/storyline).

R253.....the eternal life with the Lord in Heaven??? Give me a fucking break.

I think Lynn Herring was also in the mom group with Kristina and Jackie.

Let’s celebrate great GH scenes.

Can you imagine hugging a ripped out Antonio Sabato Jr in his prime? Crying? I would melt in his arms. I would not want to let go. I think this was before or during Melrose for him.

Lynn & Kristina are BFFs. I interacted with them, together, at a kid's birthday party (the older Wagner son) at a bowling alley. It was just the two of them with 10-12 boys (Jack showed up later); two of which where the Northrup boys. They were delightful! Both had a Corona, while watching the boys bowl.

Sounds like a hoot, R260!

And of course Mumbles is going to be ready for his closeup during the Dead Bobbie episodes.

[quote] I loved this storyline. GH was amazing in the 90s.

I wish someone had told me back then that 1992-98 or so was going to be the best soaps would be during my lifetime. I’d have appreciated it more.

The other thing is how many of my strong memories of GH during that period involve Jackie. Not even just BJ and Carly, but lots of other stuff, even when she was doing supporting bits in other stories.

There will never be another one like her.

[quote] Can you imagine hugging a ripped out Antonio Sabato Jr in his prime? Crying?

Watching that, I’m more struck by the realization of what an impression Michael Sutton left on me as a gayling. So many of the men I’ve been with have had dark hair and eyes and olive skin.

R263 Bringing back the Cassadines (and creating Nicholas) really was brilliant. Stephen Nichols was brilliant as the brooding Stefan. Constance Towers acting was so perfect it's astounding she doesn't have a dozen Emmys.....VIDEO.....(5:15) Helena and Stefan. "You were a stranger to me from the day you were born"....Brilliance..Funny...Heartbreaking...

Michael Sutton was gorgeous.

R265 - One of my favorite GH lines ever:

Stefan, about Helena: Mother imagines the whole world conspires against her. Would that it were so.

LOL. Nichols had pitch perfect drollery delivering that line. I loved the early years of Stefan and Helena and the return of the Cassadines. I always thought Stefan and Bobbie's brief marriage had so much untouched potential. I think they rushed through it so they reunite him with former co-star Mary Beth Evans who played the mostly insipid Katherine "KatSplat" Bell.

The Cassadine story and the creation of Nicholas is, perhaps, one of the best stories GH has ever done. It just made so much sense and was told so brilliantly. It's kind of shame they couldn't sustain it.

It was some of the best work Genie did.

R270 Apparently so, he had a way with women that were possibly somewhat dickmatized and had a lot of well connected male friends, so straight men then and even now would look up to him. Sarah even said that Shuki had a private meeting in his library with her, his friend/business partner Haim Saban and President Bill Clinton. While she was speaking to Saban and Clinton, Shuki reached behind her and began fingering her rectum. Since they were both facing her, she didn't think they noticed at the time, however years after the fact, she wondered if they knew and if it was done on purpose, to humiliate her. This occurred after the Lewinsky incident; Clinton was there to raise money for then Vice President Al Gore's presidential campaign.

Although I didn't watch GH, I knew of Jackie and how integral General Hospital was to the success of soaps and their continuing influence.

It's sad that she is gone because it's another loss to the soap world. There are only 4 soaps left. Thinking back to the '90s there were like 12 of them.

Exactly 12 In the early, early 90's, four on each network (CBS- Y&R, B&B, ATWT, GL), (NBC- Generations, DOOL, AW, Santa Barbara), (ABC- Loving, AMC, OLTL, GH) until NBC cancelled Generations, then Santa Barbara. ABC at least revamped Loving into The City, then replaced them with Port Charles. NBC spent five years (off and on) trying to find a replacement for Santa Barbara, ultimately landing on Sunset Beach, then Passions replaced AW, and Sunset Beach concluded on Dec. 31st, 1999. So we actually had 16 different soaps throughout the 90's, which is crazy to think now with only four, and one isn't even on network television.

[quote] I always thought Stefan and Bobbie's brief marriage had so much untouched potential. I think they rushed through it so they reunite him with former co-star Mary Beth Evans who played the mostly insipid Katherine "KatSplat" Bell.

I agree, although it did spawn another of my favorite memories of Jackie. Once she’d been betrayed by Stefan and had reconciled with Luke, who was trying to bring down whatever scheme he was cooking up, she reveals herself by saying “[Luke] wants to see you burn in Hell, and i want to light the match.”

Even for someone who appeared so late in the show’s run, Constance Towers’ Helena may be the show’s greatest villain.

[quote] So we actually had 16 different soaps throughout the 90's, which is crazy to think now with only four, and one isn't even on network television.

If there is any upside, it’s the serialized storytelling has been co-opted by primetime dramas. Even shows like Law & Order, which used to be completely strict procedural, have continuing elements now.

It doesn’t replace the almost familial vibes of watching the same characters five days a week, but it’s something.

I should dig up the clip of Viki talking about why people loved soaps from the final episode of OLTL.

R246. A lot of the younger actors including NAC, Avery Pohl and Eden McCoy talk about how helpful and kind Genie is and how invested she is with the younger set. Becky Herbst still talks about how close she is with Genie and how she was a major influence on her when she started.

When is Jackie’s soap twitter funeral?!? When are the fat soap twitter queens going to officiate the memorial service?!? We need to plan!!!

Tony Geary & Sarah Brown go head to head.

Cont'd:

Geary fucked Zeman in the 80s and Brown in the 90s. He leaned heavily on being SSA for his professional branding but had sex with women regularly.

[quote]Geary fucked Zeman in the 80s and Brown in the 90s.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Thanks for the laugh! I needed it today.

Now tell me all about his "romance" with Elizabeth Taylor.

I heard Jackie did Asher Brauner, who played Roy DiLucca, one of her earliest love interests on the show. I don't blame her; he was hot back then. He died a few years back.

R278 - Not true, but he did have a torrid love affairs with Bergin Williams (Q maid "Alice Gunderson") and Tamara Braun during both her runs on the show.

The production assistant at the home shopping network with Sasha was Genie's daughter.

Where is the save the date for the fat soap twitter queen funeral for Jackie on Twitter??? I need to plan my schedule!!!

Vee, who’s in the biz, has taken over planning Jackie’s entire funeral. He even steam rolled over her daughters. Vee is in the biz you know.

Vee who is in the biz will allow Dumb Dylan who has a new name, but always has the scoop, to co-manage the festivities. Vee who is in the biz is behind the THE Guiding Light reboot with Dumb Dylan. The obese soap twitter queens are super jelly that Vee who is in the biz is doing this in person and not on twitter. Vee is in the biz, you know,

On a related note, "Dear Old Uncle Viktor" thread has gone subscribers only now, open GH discussion can be found here:

I starred watching in 1981, and stopped when I went to college in 1988.

This thread sent me down a rabbit hole, watching old storyline I'd never seen. The frequency with which people die and return is astonishing. In fact, when someone dies on the show now, the natural reaction should be extreme skepticism.

The worst thing I saw in the past few days was what they did to poor Rick Webber. Dying in the attic at the hands of Laura? N word please! Made no damn sense.

[quote]The worst thing I saw in the past few days was what they did to poor Rick Webber. Dying in the attic at the hands of Laura? N word please! Made no damn sense.

That's what we were saying 20 years ago when that storyline was airing. Destroying the legacy of Rick Webber and the legacy of the show. But that was the regime that was in power in the early 2000s.

R273 for you, VOTN, and for all of us who ever loved their "stories."

I am amazed that GH hasn't fixed that. Jake was brought back to life.

Frank brought Bobbie back from Siberia Seattle.

He revived the Nurses Ball.

I wish that they'd fix it. They don't even need Denise to come on or Chris; just have Laura find it out and she calls her mother in Italy; Something.

The most resolution we got (and probably ever will get) was seeing Ghost Rick at the Qs with thankfully no mention of that final storyline

During the 50th anniversary in 2013, somewhere it was reported that Ron C wanted to correct both the Rick Webber and Alan Q deaths.

That story said Ron was waiting for Stuart Damon's health to improve before beginning it.

My understanding the initial plan was to reveal Dr. Obrecht was holding several other presumed dead Port Charles residents at her Swiss clinic besides Robin and Duke.

Anna was supposed to uncover Alan Quartermain and Rick Webber and Georgie Jones too.

R293, I expect that that storyline will be picked up for the series finale if the show is canceled. It would be a perfect way to fix at least some of the many unnecessary deaths that plagued GH the last 20 years.

Well, except for the whole Stuart Damon is dead thing

[quote] I expect that that storyline will be picked up for the series finale if the show is canceled.

That's what AMC did in its final months. Correct all the mistakes that had occurred under previous regimes, especially the deaths like Dixie and Stuart.

I always thought Dr. David bringing people back from the dead seemed more of a GH thing and not really AMC's style, although I can see why they did it and think overall the writing was a bit better the last year than it had been in a while. I would have been ok with both Dixie and Stuart staying dead however.

I still wonder why GH hasn't brought David Hayward to Port Charles.

He could be doing all sorts of mad scientist things. Plus, he's got the connection to Anna.

[quote][R273] for you, VOTN, and for all of us who ever loved their "stories."

More than ten years on, and it still makes me cry. As much shit as you can deservedly talk about Ron, he sincerely loves the genre.

I've said this a bunch, but I've always thought that OLTL was the closest to an official soap that DL ever had. But GH was the first one I ever connected with, way back when Felicia showed up back on Bobbie and Tony's doorstep with amnesia in 1991 or 92. And even though I haven't watched more than piecemeal since the 50th, but I know when the time comes to dim the lights on the hospital, I'm going to be a wreck.

When they do get to memorialize Bobbie and Jackie, I'll be there as it's airing live.

R299, I'm a bit older than you so I'm lucky in that I got to see an earlier Golden Age of GH.

It wasn't just Luke and Laura that made the show No. 1. In fact, the show had gone from No. 9 or 10 or 11 to No. 2 before Luke came on. One of the big storylines was that slut Monica thinking initially that Rick was the father of AJ; Rick divorced Lesley so he could be with his son (and Monica).

Then, Alan found out that AJ WAS his and in classic soap style, the truth came out at a big gala fundraiser at the Q manse.

The showdown between Lesley and Monica is what soaps are all about. Two women in love with the same man. One feared she wasn't enough for him in the bedroom; the other had that covered -- but that's all she had.

THIS was GH's Golden Age.

Stephen Schwartz, of all people, also got pretty well to the heart of soaps. If the timestamp didn't translate, go to 5:52.

R300 You have the Alzheimers. Godspeed.

[quote] The most resolution we got (and probably ever will get) was seeing Ghost Rick at the Qs with thankfully no mention of that final storyline

Actually it was referenced. Tracy made some snarky comment, and Rick said that the circumstances leading to his death were terribly misunderstood and untrue. It was quick, but covered. The ghosts of Alan and Rick showed up to haunt and taunt Tracy and Monica who had just consumed a jar full of tainted Picklelila.

Gloria Monty was NOT happy that the prissy Doug Marland won the writing Emmy in 1981.

[quote]Jackie Zeman is DEAD TO ME RIP, Barbara Jean

A less important one at that.

One, I love you; two, I'm thinkin' of you, R305.

Excuse me? Excuse me!

I agree with R300 in that it wasn't just Luke and Laura that was the key to GH's popularity. The show had a few good storylines going at the same time. My favorite -- more favorite than L&L -- was Heather's story. I loved when she was trying to drive Diana crazy so that she (Heather) could get her baby back. Then when Heather was in the sanitarium, she disguised herself as one of the nurses to get out from time to time. That was back in the day when a soap would have several strong storylines working at the same time.

I watched Genie Francis' interview here. She doesn't seem like a bitch. She seems down to earth and cool. She opens up about leaving GH the first time, and her confronting Gloria Monty about saying Luke was more important and she didn't care if Genie died (!)

Also, she talks about how wonderful Jonathan Jackson is. And how Tyler Christopher wasn't very good when he first started, but got better. She said she told Jackson to leave in 1998. But she said that Tyler Christopher left too soon- he still had more to learn. She's very honest about the recasts of Lucky and Nicholas.

I like her after watching this. I get the sense that she's a nice person, but it's possible that she's simply not very warm to strangers who approach her.

Genie has a dysfunctional relationship with GH. It made her famous but she lost her adolescence and she ended up addicted to drugs during her first run.

I think Luke’s rape of Laura being reclassified as a “seduction” really bothered her. I remember reading an interview with her where she discussed how proud she was of her work as a rape victim, and how unhappy she was when this was scrapped in favor of the Luke/Laura romance. Women were yelling “Rape Me Luke! Rape Me!”at Tony and Genie’s fan appearances.

She spent 10 years after leaving the show trying to put Laura behind her, never quite capturing that magic. She found professional happiness in New York on All My Children, and was dragged back kicking and screaming to GH.

Then that asshole Jill Phelps canned her and destroyed the character of Rick Webber to do so.

Any bitterness she has seems understandable. She can’t get away from GH, but GH has often treated her poorly.

Gloria Monty really hated women, didn’t she. She seemed to have a bad relationship with many of the actresses on GH.

I thought Zman was one of those Maravel characters?

Genie is a stone-cold cunt. Extremely judgmental but her personal life was a shambles until well into menopause. Riker had her so that she didn't know whether she was coming or going half the time--that is, when she wasn't drunk.

Genie changes and rewrites the dialogue? Who does this bitch think she is?

Scotty Baldwin has been written off the show.

Kin claims to be written out once a year. He’s a nutcase. Drama queen.

R314 - What, again?! Scotty is the longest-running character still active on GH, first appearing in 1965 -- just two years after the show's debut. People talk about GH doing Laura dirty, but Scott has been trashed since the rape story. I always thought it was bizarre how everyone -- including his own God damn adoptive father Lee -- thought Scotty was a jerk for being angry that Luke raped his wife and stole her away. WTF?! He's also buried, now, as many children (three) as the second longest-running character, Monica.

Scotty Baldwin's the longest running character in all of US soap history. He'll be certainly be back on the show, at least for the Bobbie tribute storyline

Have you seen this before, R309?

Genie seemed to have issues with all the female EPs. Monty, Riche, and JFP. Genie's beef, legitimate or not, was that she felt that she one half of soap's most popular couple of all time, but wasn't treated in a co-equal way as Tony. I don't know if Tony had a better agent in negotiations or those EPs just favored him, but I think Genie couldn't get past that. I wonder what really went down between Tony and Genie, most people assume it was the no kissing thing, but it had to me more than that. But it seemed pretty obvious that neither one wanted to play Luke and Laura as a couple.

R317 - I wasn't sure enough to make that claim. Guiding Light ran for 72 fucking years (TV and radio)! I never watched it, but thought some character on there might have had a longer run.

R320, Charita Bauer who played Bert Bauer (the same surname was a coincidence) played Bert on radio and TV in the 1950s and last aired in late 1984 so that's 40 years but if the character of Scotty goes back to the mid 60s that puts him in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s

Actually, Julie on DAYS goes back to the 1960s; she was in the first episode, the character was. So she's had a very long run. It'd be nice to have Kin and Susan Hayes present at the DT Emmys.

Genie was mum on Stephen Martines and lukewarm on Jacob Young in that interview. She must have so many stories to tell.

So according to that interview Genie thought that the situation was that Laura wasn't really raped but rather cried rape because she couldn't handle her guilty feelings about it.

R233 I think that’s the way they led the audience. And the fact thar Laura wouldn’t say who raped her for a while, if I remember correctly. I watched the whole thing as young teen and that was the impression that I had through it. Laura was definitely into Luke before the rape but didn’t want to be because she loved Scotty. It was very complicated, at least to my young mind.

R323 yes, that really surprised me. That is not the case when you see the actual event.

Didn't Genie say a few months ago it was rape, no means no. Is this a Whoopi thing where we ask, but was it rape rape??

Genie’s never happy. She’s an ice cold bitch. Gloria Monty raised her well.

Laura was stupid. Who the fuck quits a hot, adoring stud muffin lawyer like young Scotty Baldwin for a sleazy, mob-connected, orange-afroed jerk like Luke?

[quote]Didn't Genie say a few months ago it was rape, no means no. Is this a Whoopi thing where we ask, but was it rape rape??

I believe that Genie's opinions about the rape have evolved as society's views on rape have evolved. A lot of current fans have forgotten how fast & loose soaps and pretty much all entertainment forms played with rape. Rape was a big bad stranger drags a woman into an alley or forces his way into her house and rapes her and leaves her bloodied and beaten.

I think up until Chris Foster was raped on Y&R in either 73 or 74, it was all bodice ripping/Rhett carrying Scarlett up the stairs/you're not going to deny me types of situations. I think John Dixon raping Kim was the first instance of marital rape on a soap. But now society takes a harder line at what is rape.

Laura's grand nephew Michael was raped while in prison. Laura recommending he go on the run with Carter was so inappropriate.

What soap had the most rapes? AMC sure had its share…Erica, Brooke, Natalie, Gloria, Julia, Bianca…and probably more that I’m forgetting. AMC was “my” soap, but I admit they went to the rape storyline well too many times.

[quote]I believe that Genie's opinions about the rape have evolved as society's views on rape have evolved. A lot of current fans have forgotten how fast & loose soaps and pretty much all entertainment forms played with rape. Rape was a big bad stranger drags a woman into an alley or forces his way into her house and rapes her and leaves her bloodied and beaten.[/quote]

Yep. The screenwriter of Hitchcock's Marnie expressed that that's how she felt about it, and it wasn't even an old interview. It was a retrospective decades later. She said something like, "I didn't view it as rape. Rape is when you're walking through the park and some stranger drags you into the bushes." Her predecessor had been fired because he was reluctant to write the marital rape scene with Connery and Hedren, and tried to suggest an alternative.

In roughly the same era as L&L, John Ross on Dallas was a product of rape (JR/Sue Ellen), although I don't think Sue Ellen or anyone else called it that. Ugly scene, anyway.

The Bianca rape was particularly offensive, because it was purely done for shock value. Let's for Bianca to be with a man. Plus it was one of many stories they did after a great coming out story to avoid actually putting her in a same sex relationship. Bianca raped - Bianca is pregnant which led into a year of baby switch -- Bianca kisses a pre-transitioned Zarf etc. Not to mention the writers decided to keep mentioning the Kane rape legacy. Plus, Adam and Palmer were aging, Michael Cambias could have been a long term character to shake things up instead of making him an unredeemable character to kill off.

Julia was already going through so much - face scar -- running away -- not sure why they needed to throw in a rape as well as a pregnancy. That might have been one of the last abortions that I saw on a soap.

Gloria's rape was such a blatant rape used to punish and reform the bad girl. Her character did an instant 180 degree turn. Julia's rape had a touch of that as well. She became the long-suffering St. Julia.

Natalie's rape was a pretty well thought and planned story and she had already softened, so it did not seem as blatant as the Gloria reformed by rape, although it was probably the start of the town viewing her as St. Natalie. It is too bad they went as far as they did changing her from being an instigator to being someone's victim (Palmer, Erica, Janet, Carter, Jeremy's Ex). Collins still made her interesting, but the character, but they really turned her into a Perils of Pauline.

I remember thinking how it was great that they never felt they needed to go there with Erica - until they did. At least that brought in the great SMG storyline, and it did help explain why Erica was so messed and they did not reform her with it. I do think they went to far going on about the Kane rape legacy after Bianca was raped and then later when it was revealed Eric knew and pimped her out. The original storyline with him saying she must have asked for it could still be reconciled with her blaming herself but still wanting his love. Her hero worship of him did not mesh with her knowing he set her up to be raped.

One last comment - as great as the Who Killed Will story was - making him an irredeemable rapist who needed to be written off was probably a long-term mistake. Like Michael Cambias, he could have been a long-term character to take over for an aging Palmer feuding with Adam.

If I recall correctly, JPS pretty much admitted his fame as Will Cortlandt went to his head and he was quite the asshole which may have contributed to his being written out.

Wasn't James DePaiva also an asshole on OLTL? Has he reformed? I thought it odd his character on GH a few years back had so much potential then they suddenly turned him into a creep and off he went. Made me wonder if he was still difficult.

Odd no statement from Leslie Charleson. Even Denise Alexander issued a statement.

Isn’t Leslie on her deathbed?

No, I think she's on her regular bed.

What's wrong with Leslie? Is she next? I've always loved her as Monica, and it's a tribute to her talent and popularity that she lasted all these years while the Q family was decimated around her. I hope she's ok.

Vee who is in the biz is regulating who Leslie can speak to. Vee is in the biz, you know.

Will Leslie be making a special appearance at Jackie’s obese soap twitter funeral service?

[quote]Her hero worship of him did not mesh with her knowing he set her up to be raped.

Victoria Lord adored her father, and we saw what happened there. And it was not good. Not at'all.

R336:

Statement from Alexander: Who? Oh wait, was she the one with bad dye job and big tits? Sympathies.

Oh Denise.

There's no statement from Leslie Charleson because it seems that Leslie is also very ill.

All these wonderful people who were such a profound part of my teen and adolescent years are dying off. It's so depressing.

Meow meow meow

Vee who is in the biz has secured Lezlie for Jackie’s soap twitter memorial service, hosted by the fat, ugly, FAS soap twitter queens.

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Muriel, if you want our continued $20 a year, you MUST block this unhinged, demented lunatic.

[quote] Vee, who’s in the biz, is making this all about HIm. Fucking asswipe. RIP Jackie and fuck off Vee, who’s in the biz.

[quote] Alan Sarapa and that fat slob Casey hutchinson can both shut the fuck up now

[quote] Vee, who’s in the biz, has taken over planning Jackie’s entire funeral

[quote] That crazy KooKoodora is still upset that she never got to eat out Anne Heche’s snatch.

[quote] It’s Serial Scholar, aka MonticelloEdge on twitter who is a sick bastard. Spicen dumped MonticelloEdge. Such daytime drama.

[quote] I'll never forget the day they removed "THE" from "THE Guiding Light." My world changed forever that day. Once they slimmed down the name, they began eliminating all the fat people one by one. Fat Ed, Fat Bert, Fat Steve Jackson, Fat Hope, Fat Hillary, Fat Bea, Fat Nola, Fat Floyd, and Fat Rita were all axed. Kobe and Long did try and rectify the situation with Fat Reva, Fat H.B., Fat Sally, Fat Rick, Fat Maureen, and Fat Billy, but it just wasn't the same amount of extreme girth.

Sorry, off topic but... is Kin Shriner gay? He made me gay when I was a teen!

Well, he never sucked my dick...

Was Jackie around before Gloria Monty took THE out of THE GENERAL HOSPITAL?

Jackie started on 1/9/78. Gloria Monty started 1/2/78.

It was definitely rape, even Luke said the same thing to Bobbie at the time.

But was it…er, never mind.

I have never understood the appeal of Tony Geary. How was he ever a sex symbol? He was not attractive. And at the height of Luke of Laura craze, I would say Noah Drake, Joe Kelly or Robert Scorpio were infinitely more attractive than Luke Spencer.

Am I missing something? He sure made Gloria Monty’s granny panties wet.

R352 Actually, rumor has it that he did.....and yes, Kin is rumored to be gay.

[quote] I have never understood the appeal of Tony Geary. How was he ever a sex symbol?

I don't disagree. I think it was the whole 70s vibe, lots of unusual looking guys in the late 70s were considered "cute."

And Luke/Laura was kind of like.....well, maybe "Twilight" is a somewhat decent parallel. There it's "vampire falls in love, gives up everything for her" or that sort of nonsense. I think setting the rape aside, it was an old fashion, almost 40s-esque "love of a good woman" storyline.

anyone who watched GH in the 70-80s or until GF left in the early 2000s would see that Luke loved Laura with all his heart(even obsessed with her) until fucking AG started speaking shit about L&L every chance he could

I think both Tony and Genie just started to hate L&L. Something went sour with them in the late 90s. If the rumors are to be believed Genie became much more conservative and did not want to kiss Geary, a gay man.

Once Guza was at the helm, Lady Geary had a friendly ear for her let's-make-Luke-an-antihero-again campaign. (Just what Port Charles needed....TWO amoral mobsters running everything in town.)

Both Tony and Genie had to go from characters/experiences they liked or were invested in (Bill Eckert, Ceara Connor) back to the safe, familiar and already more than a little typecasting. Add in Genie's resentment about past disrespect from TPTB and alleged conservatism (something I hope is only a rumor, but I could see it happening as an offshoot of trying to put distance between her and the bad old days) and it's no wonder that the meltdown happened.

Fast-forwarding past Gloria Monty's GH for a moment, I want to mention a tidbit I saw in TV Guide circa 2000. Ann Marcus' autobiography supposedly had dish about her working with an actress who was on GH in '88 and ended up going to rehab. The actress was still around in '00. I'm wondering if it was Kristina Wagner, who was off the show for a few months in late '88-early '89.

Tony Geary can rape me, anytime.

Ann Marcus discussing GH. Doesn’t mention an actress but she does mention Gloria Monty and her sister Norma, who was foisted on every headwriter post-Marland.

Ann Marcus is underrated I think. I think she would have done a fabulous job on Santa Barbara. She wrote Mary Hartman, Days of our Lives (jn the 70s) and Falcon Crest, so she had the correct sensibility.

Luke and Bobbie Boogie.

Has Judith Chapman issued a statement?

Dead!

First thing: Soaps in the 60s and 70s had, "interesting" looking leading men. They weren't ugly, but they hadn't just stepped off a runway either. Soaps didn't go for models with model good looks until the late 80s/90s with John Conboy was an exception, both Love is A Many Splendored Thing and Y&R hired very handsome actors.

Second thing: Don't know what happened between Tony and Genie - other than Genie's no kissing rule, but Tony always seemed to fall back on Doug Marland. In one interview he said that Doug Marland created a scum bag and he always played Luke as a scum bag, regardless of how the audience perceived it. 🤷‍♂️

I recall old DL threads saying Genie's no kissing rule was mandated by her husband and had HIV overtones.

More recent DL threads suggest LW had Carly/Shawn broken up because her husband didn't like it.

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[quote]alleged conservatism

I mean, I know spouses can have different political opinions, but Jonathan Frakes is pretty liberal. In 2016, a bunch of Star Trek people, from all generations of the franchise, signed off on a "Trek Against Trump" platform. He was one of the signatories.

[quote]I recall old DL threads saying Genie's no kissing rule was mandated by her husband and had HIV overtones.

Also, Frakes is pretty gay-friendly. He's even gone on record about one of the first LGBT-adjacent episodes Trek did, and acknowledged that they'd fucked it up.

Meanwhile, Wes probably faps to Carly and Drew scenes and wishes he and Cam could go knob to knob.

When L&L were at their height, I was still too young to be really into soaps, but I did get hooked on Guiding Light for a summer, during the Kelly/Nola stuff, until I was turned on to AMC in 1982 and became obsessed with that show.

I did watch GH some, but I think Laura was on the way out when I started-I remember Bobbie and Noah, and then fake Laura (Janine Turner) and her sister, Demi Moore. I guess that was around 1982 as well?

I remember seeing the L&L stuff because my sister watched. But I was also watching Kelly Nelson's straining Speedo on GL.

And then once pendulous Phillip Spaulding came on the scene I was hooked.

Revisiting the D.L. Brock story, it's interesting that he keeps insisting that Bobbie and Rick are all-but having an affair. It makes you wonder why GH didn't go that route, other than I guess they figured they needed to redeem Ginny (so she got Rick) and Jake was available (for Bobbie).

R375, in what scene did Phillip have a hard on? Was he with Mindy?

Grant was, what, 23 or 24 when he joined the show?

Imagine how great GL was in 1980-81 to be ranked the No. 4 or 5 soap and be opposite juggernaut GH.

GH's numbers would have been higher without GL opposite and vice versa.

[QUOTE] In one interview he said that Doug Marland created a scum bag and he always played Luke as a scum bag, regardless of how the audience perceived it.

I believe that. He forced his 14 year old sister into prostitution, corrupted Lucky, hired a hooker to be Nu-Laura, tried to kill Nikolas (Laura's rape-son) and worst of... when he ran over his grandson Jake while drunk driving, his excuse for not stopping was saying he thought it was a speed bump. That line turned my stomach. Luke always made my skin crawl, and his appearance didn't help matters.

When are the fat, FAS, ugly soap twitter queens hosting Jackie Z’s twitter memorial service?!? I need to write down the date for my planner!!

Jackie Z deserves a twitter funeral more than Smellie Nellie Branco and Liz Hubbard!!!!

R377 Yes, it was a scene where Grant/Phillip had on those short gym shorts we all had in 7th grade, and he and Krista (as Mindy) were working out.

The cameraman must have thought the red shorts hid the bulge but from a side angle he was so obscenely hard it was almost comic. Thank goodness for VCRs is all I can say.

An interesting take on Bobbie

Has Rachel Ames or Brooke Bundy issued a statement?

Wasn't the original plan (post-rape) to kill-off Luke?? He was supposed to be the one killed in the assassination attempt on Mitch Williams, not Roy DeLuca. But then, Asher Brauner was cast in some ABC pilot (that the suits were really high on), so it was switched -- Roy "died" & Luke stayed.

R384 Yes, you are correct. Luke became too popular to kill off.

It's pretty ironic that in the late 70s, Emily McLaughlin/Jessie Brewer went from lead heroine to a glorified under-five in order to spotlight Zeman/Bobbie and the other young characters. Twenty-odd years later, the exact same thing would happen to Zeman.

Zeman looks so much like Piper Laurie in that pic from r382, as if she walked off the set of Carrie as a younger Margaret White.

It’s hard to imagine Emily McLaughlin as the lead heroine of a romantic drama. She was always plain and looked like she smoked 4 packs a day. But she landed Jeffrey Hunter in real life so she must have had a magic tongue or something.

Well, since this is sort of a thread about aging soap stars, Brynn Thayer (Jenny, OLTL) is on the latest episode of the Fatal Attraction series. I didn’t recognize her at first. Dee Wallace is also on the episode and although they are the same age, Thayer looks much older. Not bad, though.

Brynn went to my high school!

So great in a brief but memorable guest appearance on Moonlighting.

I just saw that episode of Fatal Attraction also. I thought it was her, but not sure until I saw her name in the credits. But I'm not sure if she looks like that in real life or if she's done up for her character.

Brynn? She had a low Q rating.

Brynn Thayer was the first but not the last woman to fuck Judith Light.

I don't like the turn this thread has taken. Not atall!

Jacklyn Zeman had so many great years on the show .However they didn't give her a more prominent story after she got past 50 or so. Carly basically took over and left her in the dust. So much untapped potential. What happened to her in the intervening years? The actress never complained because she was a Class Act but retrospectively those writers should be ashamed of themselves for squandering her potential because of age or whatever the reason was.

R384, exactly, you're correct; Aaron Spelling's one series that never took off (okay one of a few) BAD CATS with Michelle Pfeiffer

Asher played a hookup of Michael Ontkean's character in Making Love.

HIs scene was with Kate Jackson; she asked him if he was happy and he said he gets mad over parking tickets and other shit but yeah, he's happy. That was one of the best parts of the movie.

She had such pretty, expressive eyes.

I think certainly Zeman's plastic surgery had a role in her reduced appearances.

Not being mean....but like Hunter Tylo, some of JZ's procedures did her no favors.

Was Jackie part of the Jane/Dee/Lezlie clip cat club?

Didn't JFP marginalize her? I think that before her surgeries.

Stifle, Shitspen.

Does anyone remember Jake and Bobbie as a couple? I think he might have left her for Blair Warner.

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Sam Behrens and Doug Sheehan both made it to prime time, then disappeared into relative obscurity.

When is Jackie’s obese soap queen twitter funeral? I need to know now!!!

When was the photo from the article at R403 taken? Jackie looks good there, like she'd let thing settle down between procedures.

Maybe they could have made Bobbie's character similar to Donna Love from Another World, so that she could have stayed on the canvas. Bobbie could have been Carly's flawed conscience and talk to and someone who was trying to cover up Carly's messes like Donna Love was to Vicky.

I get the feeling that Zeman wasn't as fond of Laura Wright as much as the other ladies who played Carly by the way she answered the question.

I don't know where that picture of her came from.

Doug Sheehan was hot.

r406 r403,

You're right about the good photo.

It's a good interview. It covered a lot. From Doug Marland to more recent times. And the shoutout to her fans at the end is nice.

The show didn't always put her in the front-burner but the press seemed to really love her. I do give Frank HUGE credit for bringing her back 10 years ago. It seemed like every show Jill went to, she got rid of beloved faves GL's Alexandra and Maureen; Frankie and Sharlene at AW; Dorian at OLTL; at GH, she got rid of Bobbie...others.

Today, GH has Robert, Holly, Laura, Anna, Scotty, etc. Even with Leslie Charleson not coming to work, Frank still had her call in for a key episode.

Poor Jackie cooked her own goose by having those awful facelifts and boobie jobs. Even people who are now mourning her made fun of her looks back in the day. Queen Logan - we mean you.

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Has David Groh released a statement? He was great as one of Bobbie's husbands.

Nein

[quote]Has David Groh released a statement?

I think he's living in a van down by the river.

David Groh has reunited with Valerie Harper in the great hereafter.

Has Emily McLaughlan released a statement? What about John "Butch" Bernadino?

Valerie Starrett's and Mary O'Brien's statements are imminent.

IMO Jackie Z is superior to Lady Geary in this his intro to the Zeitgeist...she's effortless to his all-out effort.

Why is a nobody like Johnny Wactor still doing GH fan events? Who is clamoring to see him?

She was well enough to lend her voice during Epiphany’s memorial, R345. Monica called Liz and told her Epiphany wanted her as Head Nurse.

Frank only called JZ back when Carly needed even more propping, R410. They’ve downplayed/whitewashed so much of Bobbie/Carly’s origins to make Carly some upstanding matriarch on the show especially recently.

R422 it could have been more but Frank valued more than Jill did.

Speaking of Frank, the man is so handsome, he belong in front of the camera. He must have guys lining up in front of his bed. Is he top or bottom? I must know.

I'm going to assume that it was one of the situations where JFP had to free up money and JZ had been around awhile and was making the kind of money were her salary could pay for a few newbies and bump a more popular character up in salary.

r424 - Top, and he likes young ken dolls and twinks.

Fun fact-JFP was the music supervisor on GH in 1979, she is the one who picked “Rise” for the rape scene.

I think one of Jackie's husbands was a plastic surgeon.

If Frank's casting couch could speak?

Frank IS hot.

I bet he's hung.

R427, Jill's IMDB has her being in the music department in 1983-84; that's 3 to 4 years before Rise was played at the Campus Disco.

Jill ALWAYS has a budget issue. She had a budget issue when she killed off Maureen to bring on scenery-eating Buzz Cooper on GL; she had budget issues when she got rid of Frankie Frame and probably Sharlene; she had budget issues when she got rid of Strasser.

Other producers have budget issues and they don't make these kinds of casting decisions.

Tony Geary has said repeatedly that he is the one who suggested using “Rise.”

I guess back then we were supposed to feel for Luke and his crazy desire to have Laura; he thought he was going to die so that, he felt, justified him taking her and raping her.

if she'd turned him into the cops, Scotty or Frank Smith would have killed him.

When Luke started to suspect that Laura had feelings for her, he fucked with her head; there was a packed house at the Campus Disco one night and Luke plays RISE and says right on front of Laura, who's dancing with Scotty, DANCE WITH ME! and then walks over to dance with Jennifer.

Asshole.

[QUOTE] If Frank's casting couch could speak?

It would say Thank God for scotchgard!

The seminal problem between Geary and Francis was a twisted mirror of their fictional couple’s initial woes. They were friends who became sexually then romantically involved, to their great shock, as Geary had never had feelings like that for a woman and on Francis’s side Geary took her virginity and was her first adult relationship. They ended up having a child, whom Genie gave up and Tony didn’t know existed. The bitterness about that secret prevented them from ever being reunited onscreen.

I'm glad I started watching GH in the late 1970s through its glory years. I stopped in the early 1990s after graduating from college and starting work. I lost touch with all my soaps. A couple years later, I got the flu and was home sick for a week. I revisited my old soaps and found I couldn't stand them anymore. But GH back in the day was great with lots of good storylines.

I started watching before Luke and Laura took off. Alan was plotting to kill Monica and Rick. Heather was in an asylum. Bobbie was trying to get Scotty. Luke fell in love with Laura. Then the Luke and Laura thing exploded. Everyone at my junior high school watched the show. We'd talk about it the next day.

RIP Jackie. You were great as Nurse Bobbie.

Gloria Monty was a genius.

R393, care to elaborate?

Dear poster upthread who said Jill selected "Rise" - you had the right idea but wrong song. It was Jill who suggested the use of "Think of Laura" for Genie's brief return as Laura, and reunion with Tony Geary/Luke.

That was a genius move, as it was teased through story/episodes as well as commercials for weeks and resulted in blockbuster ratings for the show.

It would really be something to think about big dick Frankie nailing some of those hot twinks and furry jocks on his casting couch.

I'd pay good money to see him pounding a newly 18 year old Triscuit and breeding him. But I'd also watch him loading up Swicky too, especially if Swicky's stroke buddy Michael Mealor is the third.....

R435 hilarious fan fiction, but no. Tony has always been strictly dickly, despite claims of a "romance" between Lady Geary and Liz Taylor.

He was dating a producer early on in his career - I think that's how he landed his role on All In The Family - and for a long stretch was paired with Ron Glass of Barney Miller fame.

r435 Hilarious fan fiction there! Thanks for sharing your attempt.

Are you doing this for an assignment in your creative writing class? Or is this purely fan fiction for your own amusement?

I agree with Jill Farren Phelps. Who the fuck wanted to look at Bobbie with that face! Jill was right.

Lezlie Charleson also had some bad procedures, but JFP didn't fire her ass.

r435

thank you, I literally LOLed

Thanks for the laugh, R435.

Is Jill Farren Phelps the most hated woman in soaps?

^Yes!

R447 It's probably a tie between Jill and Dena Higley.

Mary Alice "Mickey" Dwyer Dobbin was also a cuntress from hell but I think she falls several levels lower in cuntitude.

Robin Strasser is a nasty old cunt. Jill Farren Phelps has about a dozen Emmys. Robin has 1. Do the math.

I can't believe this thread has almost 500 posts. So much love for Jackie Zeman! I'm thrilled.

This was one of my favorite scenes.....

Shit. I'll try again

^^ "Jason, haven't you learned by now that Carly weeps, the way the rest of us breathe....If she didn't feel sorry for herself, she'd feel nothing at all!"

Remember when GH actually had good writers?? And I forgot I actually liked Steve Burton once upon a time.

Are we getting a Jackie fan bench in Central Park? THE ANOTHER WORLD has a fan bench built by kookoo from SON!

Has KooKoodora started the gofundme for Jackie’s bench in Central Park? The obese twitter queens will surely donate during Jackie’s twitter funeral.

I never cared for or watched GH much but I have to say I'm impressed with the Sarah Brown Carly clips, and even - hard for me to believe - some of those Kelly Monaco clips around the time Sam learned Alexis was her mother.

Kelly M was interesting in those scenes.....perhaps for the one and only time I can recall.

R456 - Did Sam plan on destroying Alexis' perfect life by first seducing Diane?

Kelly was HORRIBLE in that story R456. It was comical watching her try to keep up with NLG. Those weird tics of hers - the whispering, the random yelling, the hands in the back pocket, the run on line delivery. So bad.

That story was so incredibly stupid.

Jackie has a SIX page spread in the new Digest. Most other stars that have died in recent years got the front two pages - her 6 pages are further back in the magazine.

(granted, three of them are social media comments)

Seems like she was really one hell of a lady.

She's one lady who knew how to take care of herself.

First Epiphany, then Bobbie. Shit, Liz better sleep with one eye open.

SabLina Santiago.

R301 - thanks so much for posting that clip of the opening number of the 1988 Emmy Awards!

There’s another musical opening from an Emmy telecast in the 1980s that I’ve been unable to find. Back then the networks took turns airing the Emmys. One year it was aired on CBS and began at 3 (East Coast) — preempting Guiding Light. The opening number was a song with the refrain, “How will I know?” — the lyrics were about missing that day’s episode of Guiding Light.

Does anyone remember that? It’s been so long it is almost like a fever dream.

Thanks!

That would either be the 1985 or 1982 ceremonies, R465.

R460, 3 1/2 pages are social media posts about Jackie. And they include folks like Kate Linder and others who didn't know her all that well from what I can tell.

How about picking up the phone and calling Brad Maule and getting his thoughts on Jackie. There were other actors who played her love interests or husbands that aren't included; a magazine is always going to be late with something like this so make it special. Fans who read that tribute might feel...yeah, I read all these already.

R449, not necessarily.

Bump

What did Jake the lawyer have to say?

R470 - "Jackie didn't have the best work done, but at least she didn't go out looking like Joan"

WHO JACKIE

When is the obese soap twitter memorial? I need to plan!!!!

FAT Casey, obese twitter queen won’t have a Jackie twitter funeral because his Forever and A Day soap got 32 views!!!!! A record breaking 32 views. Forget Jackie Zeman!

Has Susan Lucci commented?

Where is Viki Sleestack’s comment? They were on the same network for 42 years! For Christ sake.

Susan is too busy being alive.

R477 - Well, it does take a village to keep her tits up.

Why didn’t Jackie get the Lifetime Achievement Emmy over Sue Lucci? Shameful.

Bump

Will Lady Geary, David Groh, or Rick Springfield return for her tribute episode?

^^^ You mean will David Groh return from the grave? If I had to guess probably not.

I think any tribute episode will ultimately be used as Emmy bait for Laura Wright.

Judging by his statement after she died, Rick Springfield will absolutely appear if asked.

Depending on Lady Geary's health, I imagine he would as well.

Will they be dusting off Rachel Ames and Denise Alexander for the tribute?

Haha Rachel Ames must be 100 if she's a day.

She’s officially 93. Constance Towers just turned 90.

Rachel has to be one of the most underrated actress in soaps.

There were the big stars -- Lucci, Hall, Fulton, Slezak, Zimmer, Strasser, Thomas Scott, Flannery.

But there were so many strong, powerful women in soaps who never sought the limelight or were put up on pedestals. But they turned in solid work for decades that kept us riveted.

[quote] Depending on Lady Geary's health, I imagine he would as well.

The character of Luke is dead on the show, at least for the moment.

I think if it was a simple matter of honoring her of course Geary would either appear or tape something from Amsterdam.

Barbara Jean was one of my favorite characters on Reba. RIP.

R488 I think Rachel would have won an Emmy in the early seventies if they had them in that era. She was great and had the best storylines. And she was the best cryer on daytime.

[quote] The character of Luke is dead on the show, at least for the moment.

Sure, Jan.

VOTN - he is, really! I swear on George Glass and his basket!

But seriously, I don't know how Luke comes back for Bobbie's funeral if he's dead.

He can greet her in heaven.

That is what Dixie did for Palmer's send-off -- and then still came back from the dead later.

Oh, those Palmer memorial episodes..... 😭

R495 I can remember Edward Quartermain dying. Lila was seeing his ghost. Then, they found he was never really dead.

"Nobody ever stays dead in Port Charles."

R491, she received early nods and then again the first year in Supporting.

She took home a Lifetime Achievement Award when they gave out about 10 to actors including Ray McDonald, Jeanne Cooper, Eileen Fulton, Frances Reid, John Clarke, Don Hastings, Helen Wagner, Ruth Warrick, and posthumously to Anna Lee.

A classy broad; Marland used her quite a bit when he joined; he kept Steve, Audrey, and Jessie quite a bit.

I was NOT a fan of the Labine era of GH. (I know this is sacrilege.) But she had intended on giving Audrey Alzheimer's. Had anyone tried to do that to Maeve Ryan, Labine would have stormed ABC with a machete -- rightfully so.

I remember Audrey, Steve, and Jesse were basically extras when I watched from 1983 to 1988. Recently on YouTube, I saw they gave Audrey some meaty scenes circa 1998- taking about her own rape in regards to Elizabeth.

There was also a black couple who just hung around- NEVER had any stories. Brian and Claudia. And the Hardy's son never did much either.

About nine years ago, maybe ten, the GH fan club did a 'past cast' reunion fan event.

A TON of past cast members came and signed autographs and did a QA for hours; Rachel, Peter Hansen and Susan Brown came and were given special seating and stayed for a short period of time. They were there long enough to get, I recall, a standing ovation. They felt all the love that day.

There's no fan like a soap fan.

they put Audrey in jeopardy in the two hour Port Charles kick off movie; Joe Scanlon had to drill a HOLE IN HER HEAD to relieve pressure.

They were smart to put Audrey in jeopardy; fans already loved her.

I always loved her grandma chemistry with Elizabeth.

Frankly, she would have deserved an Emmy nom for the story where Ryan assaulted her thinking she was his mother.

Susan Seaforth Hayes said 'many die in Salem...few are buried.'

Yessss...R500. I'm pretty sure I told this story on DL several years ago.

I visited the GH set in 1981, as a teenager. (Pat Falken Smith was a friend of my parents). Tony & Genie didn't film that day, which was disappointing, because of course I wanted to meet Luke & Laura! But I was thrilled nonetheless! It was a day heavy with Steve, Audrey, Gail, Lee, Jessie & Dan....and Heather. (Musta been a Tuesday or Wednesday)

When I was introduced to John Beradino, Rachel Aames, Susan Brown & Peter Hansen (before filming a scene at the Floating Rib), I will NEVER forget John Beradino saying something to the effect: "Nice to meet you. I'm sorry you came on such a boring day, with just us OLD folks."

I said all the right things (because my mother taught me how to be gracious). "No, I don't care, it's a thrill to meet all of you!" (and I threw in a little bit about knowing that John had played professional baseball) Of course I would have liked to meet Genie & Tony...But in that moment, I really felt bad for them! That John felt the need to apologize to a teenager for "only" getting to meet the "old folks".

They were all lovely people. And Robin Matson?? She was even prettier in person than on-screen. I was smitten.

[quote]There was also a black couple who just hung around- NEVER had any stories. Brian and Claudia. And the Hardy's son never did much either.

Ah, Brian & Claudia.....they were cool. Claire Labine made up for that with Justus & Mary Mae! Edward dipped in the Brown Sugar! (Escandalo!) I joke, but it really was a good storyline!

R505 omg, what an amazing experience and honor.

I was a severely addicted to GH from 1980-1997. I hardly ever missed an episode. I remember one day I forgot to tape the show and I drove all the way home on my lunchtime to tape the show. It came on at 2. This was when life was complicated, no DVR’s, internet, just a VCR - but it got the job done.

Does anyone else remember the General Hospi-Tale song? I thought it was a cool song and if course I memorized the whole damn song. OH SNAP!

I was curious about the Afternoon Delights and wanted to see how they looked. I found this priceless performance. I am loving the spandex. I hate to say this but the man anpoears out of place without his spandex pants.

R507/508: General Hospi-Tale is one of the best -- if not THE best --novelty songs ever written!!

Cuz good girls don't....

And Annie won't!

And you all know what I know what I mean.....

(insert funky bass line)

R509 - I loved the opening it made me want to get my flaming gay ass up and dance.

Rock it hard, rock it steady Pick yourself up and get yourself ready Wave your arms let me hear you yell We're gonna rap about General Hospi-Tale

Right on, R510!!

YOUNG DOCTORS IN LOVE was inspired by Garry Marshall's teenage daughters' love of General Hospital. And listening to the two of them & their friends babble about it constantly.

Love this fan-made video for General Hospi-tale

R505 My friend was interning on GH circa 1992, and she look me to the set. It was pretty amazing.

It must've been February. It was while Tony Geary was still Bill Eckhart. He was there! Emma Samms had returned, and she and Tony were sitting at a table at Kelly's. Emma smiled at me! I was smitten.

Stewart Damon was there. My friend was wearing a baseball cap that said "Women in Film." He pointed to it, and said "good thing too!" I spied AJ and Jason in a dressing room playing video games. They were hot as fuck back then.

And, the best thing was seeing the original Edward Quatermain David Lewis. Though, he seemed sort of out of it. Ana Lee was there too.

It seemed like a really fun working environment.

[quote] And, the best thing was seeing the original Edward Quartermaine, David Lewis.

Very cool. I loved Lewis as the original Edward. He had a fantastic sense of timing and a gift for dry wit, and Lewis as a 1930s-40s movie actor had the poise and elegance of a tycoon who was to the manor born. He embodied the perfect combination of curmudgeon and teddy bear, with a devilish glint in his eye. I also loved how effortlessly rolling off Shakespearean quotes like other speak about the weather.

R514 me, too. I did not particularly care for the new Edward after Lewis was replaced. That’s how you know Lewis was amazing in his role when the new one does not measure up.

R514 It was really neat seeing him, and Ana Lee. I think it must've been one of his last days on the set. If you remember, he didn't seem too well during his final stint on the show.

One thing I remember- Tony Geary was sitting there doing his scene with Emma Samms. He said something like "Wait, this line makes no sense..." and explained why. I voice came over a speaker explaining it. Geary sighed and said "Alright" and rolled his eyes and shook his head.

It was very cool seeing the Quartermain living room, and the lobby of the hospital, which was like just a little sliver of the set.

At this point, I just remember highlights- I wish I remembered more particulars. After that, I moved to LA, and I've been on a ton of sets, and cool places. But that might top them all.

R516 - By that time did they still have the iconic circular hub nurses station with this giant numbers painted on the elevator doors? I died a little inside when they revamped the hospital to be sterile and bland.

R517 yes, because it didn't look like the hospital I was used to in the '80.

R516 were you allowed to take photos? I love any behind the scene photos of sets. I am always curious what it really looks like when they walk “upstairs”

R519 Didn't think it was my place to take pictures. When you walk upstairs on a set, *just* out of camera range the steps stop. You'd just be looking at the gray brack walls of the sound stage and or the lighting rig.

*brick walls

R519 - You might enjoy the photos on this site.

What was Pat Falken Smith like r505? Ann Marcus described her as very litigious. She did great work on DAYS and GH, but she flopped at Guiding Light and Ryan’s Hope. DAYS should have snapped her up when her second stint at GH ended.

R522 aww thank you. I loved that site. I really liked looking at the photos and reading the commentary of the man who got the privilege to visit the set. How exciting.

[quote] What was Pat Falken Smith like [R505]? Ann Marcus described her as very litigious

Oh, that was absolutely true! She brought lawsuits against just about every soap (or the studio/network) that she worked on. I remember my father (who was a lawyer) joking about it. But the thing was...she was such a good Head Writer/proven commodity, that she kept getting hired -- and rehired, by the very shows (or networks) that she sued. (See: DAYS, GH)

I have very fond memories of Pat! She was a large woman -- not fat, but tall & broad-shouldered ("big-boned"). And she had a great, booming laugh! And she was quick to laugh/had a great sense of humor. But then, I just knew her as family friend. Maybe she was hellish to work with (or for), I don't know. She had a daughter my age, with whom I was friends, and I spent some nights at their house....and a vacation rental in Trancas. There was no TV in that beach rental house, so we spent our evenings playing board games, and cards, etc. I thought she was fun!

She didn't have the happiest personal life. Her first husband died (heart-attack, IIRC) when their daughter was still in diapers. Then, she married some asshole who bankrupted her. I can't remember whether he embezzled from her, or just made horrible investments of her money, but all the money she'd made from her first stint on DAYS (in the early-mid 1970s) was gone by the time she divorced him.

Sadly, she developed Alzheimer's in her late-60s or so, and died at age 75.

^^ signed, R505

P.S. It was Pat's teenage daughter, Kathy, who brought Wayne Northrup to Pat's attention for Roman Brady. Kathy was HUGE Dynasty-fan, when Pat was developing the Bradys & Roman; told her, "You should check this guy out for Marlena's love-interest." And the rest, as they say, was history.

You can sue someone and then get back into bed/business with them.

Yes. but please don't say bed.

R525 thank you for taking the time to share all that information. I loved reading your post.

They should recast Bobbie. Erika Slezak would be amazing.

John Ingle was the Edward I grew up with, and with all due respect to him, David Lewis *was* Edward.

David Lewis was the best. And I was very resistant to John Ingle. But, he eventually won me over. He could be funny, but not in the way Lewis was.

I remember when Jed Allen was Edward. Which was silly because I think he was very close in age to Stuart Damon.

R533 Jed Allen was basically playing CC Capwell. It seemed like the show was trying to recreate CC/Gina. (15:30) of CC Q.

[quote] I think he was very close in age to Stuart Damon.

Jed Allan was actually younger than Stuart Damon. But then soap ages are always out of whack. Carly is a 40 year old grandmother.

Jed should have played a Quartermaine cousin, or Heather’s therapist.

Jed Allan was two years older than Stuart Damon.

Jed was born March 1, 1935.

Stuart was born Feb. 5, 1937.

interestingly, both died at age 84.

Jed died March 9, 2019.

Stuart died June 29, 2021.

I was going to suggest that Jed could have been cast as Quentin Quartermaine (Alan's cousin) but I'm also wondering if they should have just did that with John Ingle.

R530: Something else I remembered...which I suppose is only interesting as historical footnote. Pat's first husband (father of her child) was one of the 335 survivors of the USS Arizona. She never spoke of it, but my father (who was a friend of his) told me that Jack was sitting on the john, taking a shit, when the bombing started. (or at least, that's what Jack told my dad).

Celia Quartermaine-there’s a character that was front burner during most of her run, then never mentioned again. At least Jimmy Lee was brought up in the past couple of years.

Careful what you ask for, R540. Given GH's history of trashing veterans Celia will come back as a transsexual serial killer with a burned face.

I loved Celia Q.....And both her men (Jimmy Lee and Grant) were so sexy to me as a teenager.......VIDEO....Shirtless Grant (16:00 minute mark)...Bobbie is also in this clip with some cutie.

R542- How did Chris hurt his hand? Was it 1-2 hours of masturbating every day? Grant warned him about that.

I got a kick out of it when the characters on The Americans were watching Celia Quartermaine and Grant Putnam on General Hospital. When I though about it, I realized the storylines were somewhat similar.

One thing I liked about Celia is that she wasn't "Tracy No. 3." I guess I should be glad that Tracy wasn't around to be killed off in the Ice Princess storyline, but it really feels like Alexandra was intended to be her substitute.

r544 - Yes, I think that was supposed to be an inside joke to anyone who was a teenager in the early 80s watching GH. The Americans was incredibly clever and entertaining, truly an amazing TV show from start to finish.

I loved Jane Elliot and character as Tracy Q.

Chris the piano player and singer Josh could have made some serious 80s porn money.

Jimmy McNichol

R547, she's still on screen doing her same fabulous work.

Who is Austin’s mother?

Charity

FORGOTTEN GH INFO-----VIDEO------>> Years after they left town Jimmy Lee and Charity were still in some contact with Alan. And (as Austin confirmed) Edward was also in contact with Jimmy Lee. There were rumors GH was considering recasting Jimmy Lee. I believe around 1997. Also I have read rumors that Dex is a Q.

What happened to Steve Holt? He quit the business?

I mean Steve Bond.

Bond works sporadically but appears to still be in the business.

He got fat.

Did Steve Bond go back to Israel? His daughter is a show jumping rider who represented Israel in the Olympics.

Real name is Shlomo Goldberg!

My sister in law (much older than me) had a Playgirl with Steve Bond in it…I was around 13 or so, and I stole it. I know she probably knew I took it, but she never said anything.

Can we stop with the random Q’s? Dex doesn’t need to have any ties to anyone in town. Frank is obsessed with these stupid retcons. Just like Heather and Ryan being Esme’s parents. The Q’s are over.

There are theories that Dex is Dantes son. Or Sonnys son. Or Jasons son. Or AJs son. or Stefan Cassadines son.

How about Brenda’s son with Dante?

Dante is boring.

And short.

R545 - what happened to Alexandria Quartermaine?

[quote]what happened to Alexandria Quartermaine?

Frozen to death along with her boyfriend Tony Cassadine in 1981.

[quote] How about Brenda’s son with Dante?

Brenda never had a kid with Dante. That was the The Balkan's son's kid (I think his name was Aleksander). I'm surprised they haven't brought back Brenda's kid, but I suppose he wouldn't really be connected to anyone in Port Charles anyway so why bother. Unless he comes to town to kill the greasy POS mobster who drive his mother crazy...

I still think there is a Brenda/Michael baby out there somewhere.

Brenda had sex with her ex's stepson Michael? Also, if memory serves, Michael's bio father A.J. really was shagging Brenda's older sister Julia. I always thought it would make perfect sense for A.J. to have a couple of bastard kids running around out there, and Julia would be a nice tie-back. If not her, then either that gold-digging altar-jilting Nikki or the amorphous Keisha Ward. Hell, could be all three.

[quote]Brenda never had a kid with Dante. That was the The Balkan's son's kid

Paternity tests can be altered easily,

R567 = VIDEO CLIP.....Tony Cassadine and Alex Quartermaine are FROZEN...Found by Luke and Laura...(52:45 mark)...They had questioned Mikkos one time too many on Cassadine Island. ....Same video....Victor questions Mikkos and gets suspicious about their disappearance (14:40).

I have always wondered if Tony Jones wasn't really Michaels father after all.

R545 she got frozen in the first Ice Princess story back in the 80's?

I wonder if the will off Bobbie Spencer and she will leave Kelly's to Carly .

The Spencers are pretty irrelevant now. Luke and Bobbie dead. Deadbeat Dad Lucky is gone. Lulu is long forgotten. Carly is just marking time until her Umpteenth reunion with Mumbles.

R571 - But that was the original story in the first place. Brenda lied that the baby was Dante's to save herself from Alexsander and, later, retribution by The Balkan. WTF would she have put herself in their crosshairs if it really was Dante's to begin with?

R576 - There's always the long-anticipated return of cousin Valerie!

Thank you to R567 and R572 - I didn’t watch all that much but I remember thinking Alexandria was a glamorous bad-ass.

Also thanks to R545

Renee Anderson (sounds like a DAYS character) who played Alexandria had a tough act to follow in that she helped fill the Q void left by Tracy.

She was good...attractive, very much a Q. But...something was off...was she trying to grasp for lines; did Tony do too much adlibbing.

Did the lunacy of the story get to her? My boyfriend's brother is freezing the world!

Still, she's young. Or was. I would think late 50s early 60s now. (I know that's not young but...it's young adjacent).

I'd call her in and see what she looks like; a little late now but I bet there are flashbacks of her and Laura sparring.

Video...(2:02 mark)....Alexandra Quartermaine swears allegience to Victor Cassadine as Tony looks on. The Yacht guests begin to arrive.

IA about AJ R570. I always thought they should’ve brought back a kid of his with Keesha.

FAMILY DRAMA!

^^ Man, he really is hitting rock bottom.

r584

the link is stinky for me... what did it say?

Wow, I never particularly cared for him on GH or Days...but I cant drag on him for that. That's some seriously sad shit.

Does ANYONE believe he had 40,000 dollars? Also Guardians CAN be reimbursed. It is a job. He should find out how much a LAWYER would have charged him if they replaced the sister. In Tylers case he probably needed someone to make medical decisions. Does Tyler think doctors and hospitals are free?

The Maurice Benard Interview......(55 mins) talking about being homeless. I am sorry---and I say this as someone who struggled in the 90s and is now sober---but I just see Tyler lying. Friends don't "abandon" you for no reason. You owe them money. Or you are a mean drunk. Or whatever. He is just wallowing in this video over victimhood. I haven't had a drop of alcohol in many years. I don't blame anyone but myself for anything my abusive behavior caused. That's why I'm not drunk anymore and Tyler is.

Tyler lacked any humility in the Maurice interview. Didn't seem all that remorseful either. But sure could play the victim and the martyr very well.

I also wasn't hearing any recovery in his story. Wasn't hearing about his day to day struggle to stay sober, which is something most people in recovery discuss openly.

Lots of holes in the story he told Maurice too. But that's what he was willing to own up to at the time.

R590. Agreed. I could care less about Maurice Benard but I never thought this interview was a good idea because talking about your struggles can be triggering. I'm not even sure he was sober in this video. When you drink EVERY DAY---you think you are sober if you haven't drank for 4 days, but you aren't. When he talks about his male "friend" who told him couldn't stay with him, maybe Tyler showed up drunk? The stolen wallet, phone stuff sounds like booze excuses.

[quote]The stolen wallet, phone stuff sounds like booze excuses.

That definitely didn't ring true.

Nor did the walking from Union Station and happening to end up at Skid Row. Or somehow making it to Toluca Lake where his friend found him sleeping on the bench.

He lied and kept a lot of things out in the Maurice interview.

Same with Kirsten Storms.

R593, that's the soap press for ya.

Maurice isn't exactly the soap press.

But yes, I agree that Tyler withheld a lot in his chat with Maurice and certainly put his spin on things to come off as a bit of a victim.

He did acknowledge his behavior is what cost him the jobs at GH and Days, but everything else that happened to him, he presented it as he had no part in it happening.

R595, no, I should have put 'soap press' in quotes.

They're a group of people often attacked for not being tough enough but here's Maurice not pushing for answers.

If he got a reputation for being cut throat and tough, actors would stop going on the show.