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Subway Rider Choked Homeless Man to Death

The death of a New York City subway rider who was placed in a chokehold by another passenger on Monday was ruled a homicide, the city’s medical examiner confirmed on Wednesday evening.

The man who died, Jordan Neely, was homeless and had been screaming at passengers when the other rider wrapped his arms around Mr. Neely’s neck and head and held him for several minutes until he went limp. Mr. Neely died from compression to his neck as a result of the chokehold, according to Julie Bolcer, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner.

The killing, on an F train in Manhattan, has led to investigations by both the police and prosecutors, a spokesman for Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg said. As of Wednesday afternoon, nobody had been arrested.

“As part of our rigorous ongoing investigation, we will review the Medical Examiner’s report, assess all available video and photo footage, identify and interview as many witnesses as possible, and obtain additional medical records,” the district attorney’s spokesman said in a statement.

“This investigation is being handled by senior, experienced prosecutors and we will provide an update when there is additional public information to share,” he added.

On Monday, a man who was riding in the same subway car went up to Mr. Neely, a 30-year-old Michael Jackson impersonator who was yelling that he was hungry and ready to die. The 24-year-old man who choked Mr. Neely has not been identified.

The episode, filmed on a nearly four-minute video that shows other riders helping to pin down Mr. Neely while others looked on, has led to a police investigation and spurred advocates for the homeless, city officials and others to call for an arrest. Gov. Kathy Hochul said she needed to review the incident more closely but called the man’s death troubling.

“It was deeply disturbing,” she told reporters.

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by Anonymousreply 581May 22, 2023 4:27 AM

The incident comes as the city grapples with how to reduce both crime and the number of people with mental illness living on the streets, while also respecting the rights of its most vulnerable residents. The two issues have become the twin focuses of Mayor Eric Adams, who has sent more police to patrol train stations and to sweep homeless encampments even as he has supported policies that offer a gentler approach to people who are homeless and mentally ill.

Any criminal case could come down to whether the man who placed the rider in a chokehold was justified in using force, according to legal specialists.

Under New York law, a person may use physical force on another person if they have a reasonable belief that it is necessary to defend themselves or others. But a person can only use deadly physical force if they have reason to believe that an attacker is doing or about to do the same.

The police and prosecutors must determine what the intentions of the rider were when he grabbed Mr. Neely, if the rider felt physically threatened and if other passengers believed they had a reason to fear for their safety, said Karen Friedman Agnifilo, a former prosecutor in the Manhattan district attorney’s office.

“The D.A.’s office is going to do a painstaking investigation where they are going to interview every witness and look at the video frame by frame,” she said.

The police, who questioned the 24-year-old man and let him go on Monday night, said that they were investigating the death. A spokesman for the Manhattan district attorney said that they were also investigating. An official briefed on the investigation confirmed Mr. Neely’s identity, although the police have yet to do so.

by Anonymousreply 1May 4, 2023 3:46 PM

We’ll come to your thread if the other is deleted, mein Fuhrer.

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by Anonymousreply 2May 4, 2023 3:46 PM

Mayor Eric Adams called the death “tragic,” and said “there’s a lot we don’t know about what happened here.” He added, “However, we do know that there were serious mental health issues in play here, which is why our administration has made record investments in providing care to those who need it and getting people off the streets and the subways, and out of dangerous situations.”

There were signs that the debate about the outcome had already begun. On CNN, the mayor urged caution, rebutting a statement by Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that Mr. Neely had been “murdered.”

He added: “I don’t think that’s very responsible at the time where we’re still investigating the situation. Let’s let the D.A. conduct his investigation with the law enforcement officials.”

Homeless advocates stood behind the victim. “There was no empathy on that train car,” said Karim Walker, an organizing and outreach specialist at the Urban Justice Center, who works with people who are homeless. There should be accountability for the death of Mr. Neely, he said.

“He did not need to nor did he deserve to die in the manner that he did,” Mr. Walker said. “That’s what really scares me and that’s what really breaks my heart.”

Witnesses said that Mr. Neely was acting in a “hostile and erratic manner” toward other passengers on the train, according to the police.

Juan Alberto Vazquez, a freelance journalist who was riding on the train and who shot the video, said the victim was yelling about being hungry and thirsty. “‘I don’t mind going to jail and getting life in prison,’” Mr. Vazquez recalled him saying. “‘I’m ready to die.’”

That kind of language might have led other passengers to believe that Mr. Neely was going to do something violent, said Todd Spodek, a criminal defense lawyer.

“I imagine that the collective feeling on that train was that something was happening,” he said.

The case raises questions about how people respond to the actions of the “poor, the unhoused and most especially those perceived as suffering from mental illness,” said Christopher Fee, an English professor at Gettysburg College who teaches about homelessness.

“Those bystanders may have felt threatened by the victim, but they were not in fact attacked by him,” he said. “Still, they watched him die.”

Left-leaning politicians called the death of Mr. Neely, who was Black, a “lynching” by the other rider, who appeared to be white.

Adrienne Adams, the City Council speaker, said in a statement that the legal system’s initial response to Mr. Neely’s killing was disturbing, and put “on display for the world the double standards that Black people and other people of color continue to face,” adding: “The perceptions of Black people have long been interpreted through a distorted, racialized lens that aims to justify violence against us.”

Mr. Vazquez said it did not appear as if Mr. Neely was suffocating, but after learning he died, he became troubled by what he had seen on the train.

The reaction of bystanders reflects what can happen to many when they witness a crisis, said Lee Ann DeShong-Cook, assistant professor of social work at Juniata College.

They “were experiencing various levels of fight, flight or freeze,” she said, adding, “had someone simply offered the homeless man a bottle of water or a snack he might have been able to calm down, re-engage his rational brain and would still be alive today.”

Workers from the Bowery Residents’ Committee, which does homeless outreach in the subways, had known Mr. Neely since 2017, according to a person familiar with his history with social services.

A team had spotted him on the subway as recently as March 22. He appeared to be struggling with both mental illness and substance use disorder, according to his records. At one point, he lived at a safe-haven shelter, which has more privacy and fewer restrictions than other shelters.

by Anonymousreply 3May 4, 2023 3:47 PM

r2 sorry, I did a search for "subway" and "choked" (and both individually)

by Anonymousreply 4May 4, 2023 3:48 PM

R4/OP, we’ll absolve you unlike the Marine who did this. He’s not good looking; therefore he’s culpable.

by Anonymousreply 5May 4, 2023 3:50 PM

[quote] Mr. Neely, a 30-year-old Michael Jackson impersonator who was yelling that he was hungry and ready to die.

So there’s an issue with assisting someone who is seeking help with something? If Neely wanted both things, he should have been more specific instead of leaving it as an either/or situation.

by Anonymousreply 6May 4, 2023 3:55 PM

No. I’m not offering anything to some creep on the subway threatening people. Fuck that. I don’t carry extra “water and a snack “ for violently insane people who want to attack me.

by Anonymousreply 7May 4, 2023 4:32 PM

The choker deserves an award for helping clean the city up. The homeless guy didn't want to live anymore, and people around him didn't want him around either. Win-win.

by Anonymousreply 8May 4, 2023 4:46 PM

It's a dick move by the rider. But I have compassion for both perp and victim.

by Anonymousreply 9May 4, 2023 5:31 PM

The other thread was deleted, so here we be.

by Anonymousreply 10May 4, 2023 5:36 PM

Why did they remove original thread ?

by Anonymousreply 11May 4, 2023 5:37 PM

This is a tough one; you can't let people take the law into their own hands, on the other hand, if I was in an enclosed space & some clearly troubled person was ranting about being ready to die, I don't think it was unreasonable to assume this person was about to do something violent with a gun or knife and before they did it, some proactive action should be taken to stop them. I've never experienced any violence on the DC metro, but I've been around people who are obviously very mentally, shouting at people and acting wild and it can be scary.

by Anonymousreply 12May 4, 2023 5:44 PM

But you're still here, R8, and as long as you're still here, NYC will continue to be a festering cesspool.

by Anonymousreply 13May 4, 2023 5:47 PM

I am compassionate about both the mental health and homelessness issues we're having in this country. But unless something is done to help get these people off the streets and, to some degree, separated from society, we will see more of this kind of tragedy.

If a person has lost all ability to reason or engage with another human being, it's understandable how others would see them as a threat.

by Anonymousreply 14May 4, 2023 5:49 PM

Why was the other thread deleted ?

by Anonymousreply 15May 4, 2023 5:51 PM

R11 Yasss Kween Moo-riel removes anything that doesn’t feed the anti-👨🏻‍🦳 agenda. She benefits from that ⚫️ excellence agenda. She doesn’t think her community should have any accountability.

by Anonymousreply 16May 4, 2023 5:52 PM

Murie! won’t be happy until innocent 👨🏻‍🦳👩🏻‍🦳 are being bashed in the streets with zero consequences

by Anonymousreply 17May 4, 2023 5:54 PM

Get the mental ill and homeless some help so random people don't have to choke them out and accidentally kill them when they flip out at people.

by Anonymousreply 18May 4, 2023 5:54 PM

This isn't a public forum, R16. You pays your money, you takes your chances. If you upset Muriel, you get your ass handed to you.

Don't like it? GTFO and start your own forum. And don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

by Anonymousreply 19May 4, 2023 5:56 PM

R18 the 😳 think “help” aka psychiatric holds that are truly necessary are inhumane they prefer them to sit in their own shit in a subway station and attack innocent, productive citizens or the alternative to give them $5M each in reparations, there is no in between.

by Anonymousreply 20May 4, 2023 5:57 PM

If Mayor Adams is doing such a great job helping the homeless, what the fuck was he doing on the train in the first place? Especially after 40 previous arrests? Internment camp time!

by Anonymousreply 21May 4, 2023 5:58 PM

R19 cool story, bro. are you okay?

by Anonymousreply 22May 4, 2023 5:58 PM

R19 I understand where free speech applies, I never said it does here. I simply explained why “she” does what she does. Hopefully she got her teefs fixed by now.

by Anonymousreply 23May 4, 2023 5:59 PM

R19 is a Patti Lupone impersonator

by Anonymousreply 24May 4, 2023 6:00 PM

This makes me nauseous. So everyone would rather NOT see or interact with a crazy homeless person but the answer is not summary execution.

by Anonymousreply 25May 4, 2023 6:04 PM

[quote] [R11] Yasss Kween Moo-riel removes anything that doesn’t feed the anti-👨🏻‍🦳 agenda. She benefits from that ⚫️ excellence agenda. She doesn’t think her community should have any accountability.

What?! The anti-bald agenda?

by Anonymousreply 26May 4, 2023 6:10 PM

R25 we don’t know the full story, but based on accounts he was not just asking for a dollar and got jumped, he was a threat to everyone on that train. If a white guy did this to another white guy under the exact same circumstances you wouldn’t give a flying fuck.

by Anonymousreply 27May 4, 2023 6:10 PM

R36 you need glasses?

by Anonymousreply 28May 4, 2023 6:10 PM

I’m waiting to see whether R36 is near sighted.

by Anonymousreply 29May 4, 2023 6:12 PM

Untrue, r27. You clearly have your own agenda trying to characterize this tragedy as a racial thing. It is not. It is about humanity and decency.

by Anonymousreply 30May 4, 2023 6:14 PM

[quote] I’m waiting to see whether [R36] is near sighted.

All shall be revealed in time.

by Anonymousreply 31May 4, 2023 6:15 PM

R30 bullshit it’s about race

by Anonymousreply 32May 4, 2023 6:16 PM

R29 is not near-sighted, she can find the WW button on her own posts.

by Anonymousreply 33May 4, 2023 6:17 PM

I have sympathy for the homeless and mentally ill but they do pose a danger to the public when they have mental health episodes. Some are so far gone that they still lash out even when you are being kind to them, I learned this when helping in a soup kitchen type place that feeds the community.

I don’t know what the answer is to fix this issue but it’s becoming a national issue and our leaders need to step up and help combat homelessness.

by Anonymousreply 34May 4, 2023 6:27 PM

R34 we’ll never fix as long as we have a constant showdown between cheap, barbaric Republicans and bleeding heart, illogical Democrats. This is truly an issue where we need middle ground.

by Anonymousreply 35May 4, 2023 6:31 PM

They think they are, R24

[quote] Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz and Oklahoma Sen. Markwayne Mullin, both Republicans, are proposing a national “Stand Your Ground” law against attackers.

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by Anonymousreply 36May 4, 2023 6:35 PM

And speaking of Matt Putz, tell me how it can be appropriate for him to file felony charges against a woman for throwing (but missing) a cup of wine at him and yet, somehow, it's also totally acceptable for a stranger to strangle someone for fifteen minutes without judge or jury?

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by Anonymousreply 37May 4, 2023 6:38 PM

R37 the wine thrower wasn’t standing her ground and was the instigator. What do you not comprehend? Your confusion, low IQ is the major problem of this country.

by Anonymousreply 38May 4, 2023 6:49 PM

Why did the other thread get deleted? I don’t think this is a race issue despite the liberal politicians making it out to be, it’s an issue of absolutely no resources for the mentally ill homeless population. Again, the shuttering of asylums did so much ill for this country. Instead of reforming them and making them more humane, just shut it down and lead violent people not in control of their actions roam free!

by Anonymousreply 39May 4, 2023 6:52 PM

Congress has put this on their docket along with daily mass shootings and too many guns. The priorities are like this.

1) Stop mass shootings. 2) reduce civilian gun ownership especially weapons of mass destruction 3) universal basic health care 4) solve the homeless crisis 5) sensible immigration and asylum practices.

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by Anonymousreply 40May 4, 2023 6:52 PM

Given how the bodily autonomy and physical safety of all women is under attack by the likes of Matt Gaetz I think stand your ground is perfectly reasonable.

by Anonymousreply 41May 4, 2023 6:52 PM

"Again, the shuttering of asylums did so much ill for this country."

They were shuttered because they were nothing more than concentration camps for the mentally ill, staffed by cruel, ill trained sadists and criminals who couldn't get any other type of job. The horror stories that came of these hell holes from people who managed to survive their internment was criminal in their scope.

These people need to be helped and need to be off the streets, but warehousing human beings in filth and squalor is not the solution.

The solution, safe, clean, well run and well managed mental health facilities, will cost a lot of money, and sadly it seems Americans in general and Republicans in particular, don't want to support that type of facility. And once again, Republicans love to pay lip service to the sanctity of life, but when it comes time to actually put their money where their mouths are, they suddenly go mute.

by Anonymousreply 42May 4, 2023 7:03 PM

I don’t think bringing back asylum’s is the answer, it was abused once and would become a problem again.

A few cities have tried to get them off the street by putting up homeless people in hotels, tent cities and small apartments without success.

The primary problem is mental illness which needs to be addressed early on with family and loved ones to prevent people from spiraling to the point they are homeless and close to impossible to treat. This is where the government can step in and provide early intervention to parents and family when dealing with mentally ill family members.

by Anonymousreply 43May 4, 2023 7:07 PM

Okay, then what do you suggest? Where do the people who cannot function in polite society without harming others go? There can always be reform of mental health facilities, but a lot of the “Snake Pit” type research or exposes that came out about them were later proven to be exaggerated or outright lies by anti-psychiatry quacks. Most hospitals weren’t some haven but they weren’t “concentration camps.” I believe there was a DLer who worked at one in the 60s/70s who posted here and that was their estimation. The main problem was the lack of funds.

by Anonymousreply 44May 4, 2023 7:17 PM

[quote] the wine thrower wasn’t standing her ground and was the instigator.

Gaetz justifies his position:

[quote] Gaetz insisted on pressing charges, vowing to “uphold the civility our community deserves.”

He's a whole damn ELETED OFFICIAL, not a spoiled, entitled, whiny, accused thug (oh, wait...) so where is the civility behind not extending grace, let alone composure, by barreling through life as a perpetual victim?

Furthermore, I suggest you take it down a notch and perhaps go touch grass so you can

[quote] “uphold the civility our community deserves.”

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by Anonymousreply 45May 4, 2023 7:19 PM

ELECTED ^

by Anonymousreply 46May 4, 2023 7:20 PM

"The main problem was the lack of funds."

Which led to filthy, inhumane conditions, extremely low wages which led to the dregs of society being hired to staff these places, few (if any) job/skill/coping training programs, all of which combined to make these places the human warehousing shitholes that they actually were.

by Anonymousreply 47May 4, 2023 7:37 PM

My mother worked in one of those facilities. (I am named after her favorite resident.) They did need reforming and were not nice places, but saying they were staffed by the dregs of society is one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever seen posted on DL. (And that’s a pretty low bar.)

by Anonymousreply 48May 4, 2023 7:46 PM

The comments to this tweet lay bare a huge part of the problem: America just doesn't see mental health care as health care.

The worst among us refuse to evolve in ways that improve our society. . Would that we could put aside the idealism of the Wild, Wild West, the pettiness and snobbiness of otherization and the stigma of mental health and address the problems as they are as opposed to how we can best the opposition.

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by Anonymousreply 49May 4, 2023 7:54 PM

[quote] My mother worked in one of those facilities. (I am named after her favorite resident.) They did need reforming and were not nice places, but saying they were staffed by the dregs of society is one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever seen posted on DL. (And that’s a pretty low bar.)

Not only they weren't staffed by the dregs of society but they served the extremely important function of keeping people who are severely mentally ill off the streets so that the rest of the world could go about their business without having to cohabitate with them. Now we're all living in shitholes thanks to theor closing.

by Anonymousreply 50May 4, 2023 8:16 PM

Community Notes on Twitter are very useful.

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by Anonymousreply 51May 4, 2023 9:09 PM

[quote] Re the NYC subway murder, it's astonishing (but not) to see the post-hoc justifications like "he had 40 arrests, including for assault," as if the guy who choked him to death were an avenging angel who knew any of that, & as if death is the penalty for multiple offenses.

[…]

[quote] None of those, not even assault on an elderly person, which is heinous, is a capital crime.

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by Anonymousreply 52May 4, 2023 9:29 PM

Necessary restraint of a human being always has a possibility that it could result in death. It’s absurd to say that when it’s necessary to restrain someone and they live, it was a good deed, but if for some reason they die, the good person, who is not a trained police officer, doing the restraining did something wrong because in the heat of the moment they should have figured out a better alternative to the method they used.

by Anonymousreply 53May 4, 2023 9:35 PM

We need asylums. They can be reformed and overseen, any institution in the US is bound to have some level of cruelty baked into it - but we need such institutions to have any pathway forward. Traditional social programs could go a long way in reducing the numbers of new homeless year to year but they won’t address the existing numbers much.

by Anonymousreply 54May 4, 2023 9:39 PM

This is a relatively quiet area and subway line (downtown near some small theaters and cafes).

It's very sad and the Marine needs to be investigated. Of course, I assume his intention was to calm him down til passing out, but I don't think he should walk free.

by Anonymousreply 55May 4, 2023 10:19 PM

R54 I agree.

There will always be a portion of the population that simply cannot take care of themselves due to mental illness.

by Anonymousreply 56May 4, 2023 10:24 PM

[quote] Juan Alberto Vazquez, a freelance journalist who was riding on the train and who shot the video, said the victim was yelling about being hungry and thirsty. “‘I don’t mind going to jail and getting life in prison,’” Mr. Vazquez recalled him saying. “‘I’m ready to die.’”

He got what he wanted, so I fail to see what the problem is.

by Anonymousreply 57May 4, 2023 11:04 PM

40 priors. Next.

by Anonymousreply 58May 4, 2023 11:32 PM

Speaking as someone who rides the subway frequently and has been stuck underground with the crazies I applaud the guy for jumping in and trying to prevent an innocent person from possibly getting injured or killed. Unfortunately, he took it too far. But some of these people are very scary especially when they get in your face.

by Anonymousreply 59May 5, 2023 12:02 AM

Every country has its share of mentally ill people. But the US is uniquely cruel among first world nations.

by Anonymousreply 60May 5, 2023 12:43 AM

Excuse me, good Sir, but I ain’t done nothing wrong. Ain’ Dun’ Nuffin’. Nope.

by Anonymousreply 61May 5, 2023 12:50 AM

Welcome, Travis Bickle wannabes!

Here's some hot BBC fucking trans ass for you to enjoy. Sincerely the gays.

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by Anonymousreply 62May 5, 2023 12:51 AM

The bleeding hearts cannot comprehend that some of these lunatics have to be man-handled and tranquilized, then on heavy duty psychotics permanently. They think some psycho like this guy will magically be cured by sitting in a therapy session on a fluffy couch talking about his first goldfish. The delusions are high.

by Anonymousreply 63May 5, 2023 12:53 AM

[quote]The bleeding hearts cannot comprehend that some of these lunatics have to be man-handled and tranquilized, then on heavy duty psychotics permanently.

Bitch they're in my face every single day. I move to another car.

Are they annoying? Yes.

Are they scary? Yes.

Is it legal to kill people who annoy/scare you? No.

by Anonymousreply 64May 5, 2023 12:56 AM

R64 needs a psychiatric hold.

Bitch! We’re talking about the asylums now, not Mr. Aindunnuffin.

by Anonymousreply 65May 5, 2023 1:00 AM

Sure nobody has a right to kill such people.

On the other hand, such people are public menaces. Often with knives. This wasn't a worthless human but he had no business wandering around in public making everyone miserable and afraid.

by Anonymousreply 66May 5, 2023 1:02 AM

Concerning R64 ‘s last question luckily no, because some dom top would’ve of popped yo ass already, when you was clacking your little circuit fan at the drag show.

by Anonymousreply 67May 5, 2023 1:02 AM

R66 exactly, he mentally abused DAILY. For a generation so concerned about PTSD and anxiety they sure do like a violent, crazy man running around freely screaming.

by Anonymousreply 68May 5, 2023 1:04 AM

I'm tired of hearing that "society" is responsible for failing this dead criminal. You know who failed him? His fucking parents.

by Anonymousreply 69May 5, 2023 1:05 AM

[quote] Every country has its share of mentally ill people. But the US is uniquely cruel among first world nations.

The US is bigger than most countries and has more cultures. Sit down and shut the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 70May 5, 2023 1:07 AM

The guy had 40 priors and should have been in jail permanently. He was asking for it and got lucky 40 fucking times. He was bound to piss off the wrong person eventually and he did. The bleeding hearts who continue making excuses for criminals need to take a fucking hike.

by Anonymousreply 71May 5, 2023 1:09 AM

How does the US have more cultures than other countries, R70?

by Anonymousreply 72May 5, 2023 1:12 AM

Guess I'll just wait for the vigilante cosplayers to finish masturbating to their homicidal fantasies before coming back here.

by Anonymousreply 73May 5, 2023 1:19 AM

Fucking disturbing, isn't it R73? That these people walk freely among us.

by Anonymousreply 74May 5, 2023 1:21 AM

Mentally ill people should not be on the streets exhibiting psychotic behavior. This is a horrible story. But letting homeless people die in the streets of cold or neglect isn’t much better. Bring back institutions where they can get some help.

by Anonymousreply 75May 5, 2023 1:22 AM

R69 given that his mother was strangled to death when he was 14, I am going to give her a pass on the blame and go with society in this particular case.

And enough with blaming liberals, Ronald Reagan is the one who caused most of this mess.

by Anonymousreply 76May 5, 2023 1:22 AM

If you do not agree that yt men caused every problem in his life, and that equity, reparations are the best solutions then 👏🏾 SIT 👏🏾 THE 👏🏾 FUCK 👏🏾 DOWN 👏🏾

by Anonymousreply 77May 5, 2023 1:24 AM

R76 yeah, yeah boogeyman Reagan we know. there is an effort now by conservatives to get these people off the streets. Liberals are frozen in fear though going “DONT TOUCH THEM, LET THEM BE!”

by Anonymousreply 78May 5, 2023 1:26 AM

As per ElderLez, a brief reminder that darling Reagan shut down all the mental hospitals, turfing mentally people onto the streets.

by Anonymousreply 79May 5, 2023 1:27 AM

Too feminine or too masculine a society is never, we need balance. Mommy & Daddy.

by Anonymousreply 80May 5, 2023 1:30 AM

R79 everyone knows that. What do we do now?!

by Anonymousreply 81May 5, 2023 1:31 AM

The Marine might have PTSD. He was trained to kill and may perceive a threat where none exists.

by Anonymousreply 82May 5, 2023 1:45 AM

[quote]R64 needs a psychiatric hold.

Pot, kettle, psycho.

by Anonymousreply 83May 5, 2023 1:51 AM

[quote]He was bound to piss off the wrong person eventually and he did.

Neely wasn’t restrained because he “pissed off the wrong person,” r71, he was unhinged, mentally ill, and ranting that he would do something to incur a life sentence. That's a credible threat, and someone intervened to protect the physical safety of passengers from imminent harm.

by Anonymousreply 84May 5, 2023 1:53 AM

[quote]Neely wasn’t restrained because he “pissed off the wrong person,” r71, he was unhinged, mentally ill, and ranting that he would do something to incur a life sentence. That's a credible threat,

Cool. So you if you yell at me "motherfucker I'm gonna kill you!" it's now legal for me to kill you first? As a preventive measure?

Good to know.

by Anonymousreply 85May 5, 2023 1:56 AM

Well, I think he's better off dead. RIP. he's longer suffering.

Just goes to show NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED.

DO NOT EVER FUCKING INTERFERE IN A FIGHT OR CRIME OR WHATEVER THE FUCK. MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS.

by Anonymousreply 86May 5, 2023 1:59 AM

R86 some places have laws that if you walk away or don’t intervene you get in trouble

by Anonymousreply 87May 5, 2023 2:10 AM

R87, those are extremely limited in scope. In other words, dont worry about that.

Someone keeps beating on about moving to the next subway car. You're not allowed to and it's dangerous. Fuck that.

They should charge the Marine with involuntary manslaughter. No jury in NYC will convict him. Why? Because those jurors are the same people who are harassed by the homeless in the subway. Any defense attorney would jump at the chance to defend this guy.

by Anonymousreply 88May 5, 2023 2:23 AM

I seriously hope some of you bitch trolls are securely locked up and kept away from sharp objects.

by Anonymousreply 89May 5, 2023 2:23 AM

[quote] How does the US have more cultures than other countries

Are you retarded?

by Anonymousreply 90May 5, 2023 2:26 AM

[quote] So you if you yell at me "motherfucker I'm gonna kill you!" it's now legal for me to kill you first?

Of course. It’s a threat of murder. You have ever right to defend yourself. Welcome to the real world, sweetie.

by Anonymousreply 91May 5, 2023 2:27 AM

[quote] Neely wasn’t restrained because he “pissed off the wrong person

We know that. The point was he was going to eventually face someone who wasn’t going to stand idly by and doing nothing like the other 40 times.

by Anonymousreply 92May 5, 2023 2:28 AM

[quote] The Marine might have PTSD. He was trained to kill and may perceive a threat where none exists.

There’s a report saying that he saw his father kill his stepmother and was never the same after that.

by Anonymousreply 93May 5, 2023 2:29 AM

AOC should be arrested for trying to incite a riot.

by Anonymousreply 94May 5, 2023 2:30 AM

No, R90, I'm not. But you might be.

by Anonymousreply 95May 5, 2023 2:31 AM

Wait. Did the homeless guy witness a murder as a teen, or did the marine?

by Anonymousreply 96May 5, 2023 2:32 AM

A helpful reminder for the trolls with raging vigilante boners.

Bernard Goetz.

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by Anonymousreply 97May 5, 2023 2:33 AM

Was he wearing blue jeans on the subway?

by Anonymousreply 98May 5, 2023 2:35 AM

Well, shit. That wasn't a good example was it. Forgot that Goetz was acquitted.

by Anonymousreply 99May 5, 2023 2:38 AM

I have a mental illness. I'd rather take a subway with 20 of these homeless guys than any of you deranged vigilantes.

by Anonymousreply 100May 5, 2023 2:39 AM

I can't wait to choke out that 4 foot tall Latina selling candies on the train because you bitches think it's legal! She was [bold]THREATENING ME[/bold]!!1!

by Anonymousreply 101May 5, 2023 2:46 AM

What a fucked up story. The victim was a bit mentally unstable what he wasn't a threat to anybody from what I understand.

by Anonymousreply 102May 5, 2023 2:53 AM

I caught the segment on JOY REID tonight where she and Sharpton (and some other 'black brother') were canonizing Neely. I had to switch channels after a minute.

by Anonymousreply 103May 5, 2023 2:55 AM

[quote]AOC should be arrested for trying to incite a riot.

And what are you trying to incite?

by Anonymousreply 104May 5, 2023 3:11 AM

R76, the mother was strangled, dismembered and left in a suitcase along the Henry Hudson Parkway by her husband, Neelly's stepfather. Can't blame society, the system or any other bullshit excuse for this.

by Anonymousreply 105May 5, 2023 3:21 AM

R101, you're an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 106May 5, 2023 3:22 AM

Never mind, the crazy subway guy they say went nuts after his mother’s death.

by Anonymousreply 107May 5, 2023 3:27 AM

[quote] And what are you trying to incite?

Nothing, Einstein. The facts are the facts. The guy was out of control, was threatening passengers and was arrested 40 times. End of story.

by Anonymousreply 108May 5, 2023 3:28 AM

This is the type of shit riders put up with. Meanwhile, Kathy Hochul and co are saying there are police patrolling the subway.

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by Anonymousreply 109May 5, 2023 3:30 AM

[quote] What a fucked up story. The victim was a bit mentally unstable what he wasn't a threat to anybody from what I understand.

He may have been a threat, only the people on the train would have known. It is sad that the marine did not know how to de-escalate a threat without killing the guy. Or that no one intervened to tell the marine to ease up. The victim was not armed and other than ranting he had done no harm to anyone on that train before he was killed. I guess what we learn about the marine will determine if he should be charged.

by Anonymousreply 110May 5, 2023 4:14 AM

Jesus Christ. I hate the NY subway, it's a grim way to live every day.

by Anonymousreply 111May 5, 2023 4:25 AM

Roxane Gay is, predictably, furious.

She wrote an entire column a few weeks back about how "The Whale" was so triggering for her (and thus deserved universal calumny), and now she's saying that people are being killed just because they're making others "uncomfortable" n public spaces.

In other words: it's a crime if she's made to feel fat by watching a movie, but if others fear for their lives on the subway by crazy screaming people, they have to suck it up.

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by Anonymousreply 112May 5, 2023 4:53 AM

[quote]I caught the segment on JOY REID tonight where she and Sharpton (and some other 'black brother') were canonizing Neely. I had to switch channels after a minute.

I saw that too and was really repulsed. They were doing the usual “he was just a good boy, on the way to Church., when this evil whitey sniffed out one of our finest black brothers” routine. Joy Reid is really a piece of shit who can’t stop with the race-baiting on their show.

by Anonymousreply 113May 5, 2023 4:54 AM

This thread is a disgrace.

by Anonymousreply 114May 5, 2023 4:56 AM

R75 NYC has numerous homeless shelters. They are not mental health facilities, but there is outreach to get them in, especially on cold nights. Some homeless don’t like the shelters for various reasons.

by Anonymousreply 115May 5, 2023 5:35 AM

I'm confused about Neely. Did he WORK as an. MJ impersonator, or was he just obsessed with him? Sounds like he had a tragic life that was destined to end badly. Too much working against him and no support system. Sad for everyone involved.

by Anonymousreply 116May 5, 2023 5:37 AM

[quote] the segment on JOY REID tonight where she and Sharpton (and some other 'black brother') were canonizing Neely.

What else would you expect from MSNBC's primary race baiting show ?

by Anonymousreply 117May 5, 2023 5:43 AM

R109 Governor Kathy Hochul has nothing to do with the NYC police.presence in the city.

by Anonymousreply 118May 5, 2023 6:01 AM

%police in the subway

by Anonymousreply 119May 5, 2023 6:01 AM

r114 DL's worst trolling always occurs in the late night/early morning hours

by Anonymousreply 120May 5, 2023 10:14 AM

Is it Neeley in action at R109?

by Anonymousreply 121May 5, 2023 10:37 AM

Remember this? It didn’t get any national coverage.

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by Anonymousreply 122May 5, 2023 11:43 AM

He impersonated a pedo?

by Anonymousreply 123May 5, 2023 11:50 AM

Oh that's terrible R122.

by Anonymousreply 124May 5, 2023 12:54 PM

The statements from Mayor Adam’s and Governor Hochel seemed infuriatingly light to me.

If this is correct, then it would explain a whole lot

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by Anonymousreply 125May 5, 2023 1:05 PM

They probably had him subdued, as many claim he should have been, in 5 or 10 minutes, max. There were already three of them subduing him. Did it not occur to anyone that he was already subdued and it was no longer necessary to choke him to death?

Three on one was not enough? Four? The stranglehold was necessary?

Does the hero marine know enough about the strangle hold he executed to know when to stop, unless he desired a particular result?

Did no one on that subway car tell Penny to STOP, that he was going to kill the kid?

Was the train in a tunnel? How far were they from the next stop?

This is an unduly harsh thread.

by Anonymousreply 126May 5, 2023 1:10 PM

"Mentally ill people should not be on the streets"

Mentally ill people shouldn't be allowed near keyboards or allowed to post on message boards, yet here we are.

Looking at all the big talking, Donald Trump wannabe vigilantes on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 127May 5, 2023 1:14 PM

Tall blond ex-marine. Not guilty by reason of hotness.

by Anonymousreply 128May 5, 2023 1:18 PM
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by Anonymousreply 129May 5, 2023 1:18 PM

"And sometimes there is no gun. On Monday, Jordan Neely, a Michael Jackson impersonator experiencing homelessness, was yelling and, according to some subway riders, acting aggressively on an F train in New York City. “I don’t have food, I don’t have a drink, I’m fed up,” Mr. Neely cried out. “I don’t mind going to jail and getting life in prison. I’m ready to die.” Was he making people uncomfortable? I’m sure he was. But his were the words of a man in pain. He did not physically harm anyone. And the consequence for causing discomfort isn’t death unless, of course, it is. A former Marine held Mr. Neely in a chokehold for several minutes, killing the man. News reports keep saying Mr. Neely died, which is a passive thing. We die of old age. We die in a car accident. We die from disease. When someone holds us in a chokehold for several minutes, something far worse has occurred.

[bold]A man actively brought about Mr. Neely’s death. No one appears to have intervened during those minutes to help Mr. Neely, though two men apparently tried to help the former Marine. Did anyone ask the former Marine to release Mr. Neely from his chokehold? The people in that subway car prioritized their own discomfort and anxiety over Mr. Neely’s distress. All of the people in that subway car on Monday will have to live with their apparent inaction and indifference. [/bold]Now that it’s too late, there are haunting, heartbreaking images of Mr. Neely, helpless and pinned, still being choked. How does something like this happen? How does this senseless, avoidable violence happen? Truly, how? We all need to ask ourselves that question until we come up with an acceptable answer. Editors’ Picks Why Does This Cannibalistic Fish Keep Washing Ashore? Dogs (and Cats) on a Plane The Ice Cream Truck Across the Street Is Making Way Too Much Noise

In the immediate aftermath, the New York City mayor, Eric Adams, couldn’t set politics aside and acknowledge how horrific Mr. Neely’s death was. Mr. Adams said: “Any loss of life is tragic. There’s a lot we don’t know about what happened here.” His was a bland and impotent statement, even though the sequence of events seems pretty clear and was corroborated by video, photography and a witness. And while any loss is in fact tragic, this specific loss, the death of Jordan Neely, was barely addressed. Mr. Adams didn’t bother to say Mr. Neely’s name and went on to equivocate about his administration’s investments in mental health, a strange claim to make while allowing first responders in New York City to involuntarily commit people experiencing mental health crises."

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by Anonymousreply 130May 5, 2023 2:02 PM

[quote] Remember this? It didn’t get any national coverage.

Because he was arrested and facing prosecution as he should instead of a network of bad-faith actors trying to make excuses and false equivalencies

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by Anonymousreply 131May 5, 2023 2:26 PM

The top-rated reader comment at r130:

[quote]I think the subway incident is a false equivalency to the rest of the incidents.

[quote]Judging people for prioritizing their safety on a subway car? What kind of sentence is that- is she implying that a 22 year old female bystander should have started screaming at the marine to let go?

[quote]Sorry but if we don’t make the distinction between being a straight up public menace and knocking on the wrong door, that’s doing damage too.

by Anonymousreply 132May 5, 2023 2:59 PM

I'm waiting for Sunny Hostin to tell me how I should feel. They haven't talked about this yet on THE VIEW. I'm also waiting for her to tell us about 'the conversation' she always has with her two children about staying safe on the subway from 'riders without homes' who impersonate Michael Jackson.

by Anonymousreply 133May 5, 2023 3:03 PM
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by Anonymousreply 135May 5, 2023 3:22 PM

Am I naive by asking if there was any other way to subdue this person that was such a threat without killing him? Even if - and that may be a stretch - but even if the choke hold maneuver was necessary to take him down, were not two or three men on top of him enough to stop choking him to death?

I read many of those comments on the NYT article. They all talk about false equivalency, but those commenters don't seem to be concerned that, in this case, [bold]he was murdered.[/bold]

The fact that he had a backlog of arrests is a separate issue. That shouldn't be conflated with the actions - or a form of permission - to kill a person. No one on that train knew about his past transgressions leading them to believe that extraordinary action was necessary or warranted.

And I'd like to know more about the background of the killer. We can't be sure his actions were solely altruistic.

by Anonymousreply 136May 5, 2023 3:35 PM

We need legal changes to protect Good Samaritans like the person doing the chokehold. The protection is needed for actions that the Good Samaritan did not intend to be, and did not realize would be, fatal. It’s the same as when someone tries to save someone else’s life and they end causing death instead of preventing it.

by Anonymousreply 137May 5, 2023 3:38 PM

R137

Geezus christ. Talk about false equivalencies.

by Anonymousreply 138May 5, 2023 3:42 PM

Why did the guy keep him in the chokehold that long? WTF?

by Anonymousreply 139May 5, 2023 3:43 PM

[quote] Why did the guy keep him in the chokehold that long?

It would make no sense to restrain someone for only a short time and then release him if it appears the person will just continue doing what caused them to be restrained in the first place. You would want to hold them until you were sure they were subdued or the danger had passed.

by Anonymousreply 140May 5, 2023 3:47 PM

Did he realize he was cutting off his oxygen? That is just messed up

by Anonymousreply 141May 5, 2023 4:01 PM

R131 you know, goddamn, good and well, if that had been a white man who did that to a black man there would have been riots and outrage… arrested and prosecuted, or not.

by Anonymousreply 142May 5, 2023 4:04 PM

This story really shows how insanely polarized social discourse is in this country.

On the one hand you have the neo-progressives calling him a saint and his death a baldly racist murder, a “lynching.”

On the other hand you have the crypto-fascists calling black people dangerous animals who need physical force to keep them from destroying us.

Both equally absurd.

Modern urban life in America means dealing with mentally ill people who may become dangerous. They rant and threaten, sometimes they act out and harm others. The real crime here is that these people who need help are instead wandering the streets, harming others and themselves.

Anyone who’s been trapped on a subway car with a screaming lunatic has thought about what he or she might do if the person attacks you, or attacks a vulnerable person. What’s the “right” response? Why the fuck should we be in that position in the first place?

I think this marine guy clearly overreacted, and may have committed manslaughter, but was he just a murderous racist monster for doing so? I’m guessing no — he was put in that position thanks to a lack of social services and a lack of policing.

But my take on this doesn’t fit within either ultra-extreme position, so the neo-progs will call me an apologist for racism (or even a racist myself), and the crypto-fascists will call me a cuck or ivory tower liberal or whatever catchphrase is in vogue on the daily stormer.

Feel increasingly like I’m in no man’s land these days….

by Anonymousreply 143May 5, 2023 4:05 PM

Reagan left office 34 years ago. Thirty-four years ago. Whatever he did or didn't do, we've had time to make it right since then. We've had Democrats all up and down the country. Two-term Democrats in the White House, at times with Congress and/or the Senate on their side. Democrats appointing judges and SCOTUS justices. Democrats in Albany, Democrats in Gracie Mansion, Democrats in the City Council.

It's fun to just go piss on Reagan's grave. Actually fixing things is boring, tiresome, and contentious, so let's kick Reagan's bones around a bit more, teach that dead old fuck a lesson, and maybe things will somehow get better.

by Anonymousreply 144May 5, 2023 4:05 PM

The NYC local media needs to CHILL with the coverage. They are canonizing this guy and turning the story into something it isn't.

I just saw the teaser for the 11am news. They're now showing a headshot of him dressed as Michael Jackson alongside the video of him being choked.

The guy had 40 PRIOR ARRESTS. Show a grid of the 40 mugshots. Or maybe just one?

by Anonymousreply 145May 5, 2023 4:05 PM

Last night on the news, the family's attorney was being interviewed, demanding justice and talking about the family's pain.

Um, the guy was homeless.

Where was the family when he was living on the street, hungry, distressed and needing mental health care?

Not addressing any of that. But they've sure lawyered up to ca$h in now!

by Anonymousreply 146May 5, 2023 4:07 PM

[quote] It would make no sense to restrain someone for only a short time and then release him if it appears the person will just continue doing what caused them to be restrained in the first place. You would want to hold them until you were sure they were subdued or the danger had passed.

At some point before death the danger has passed. I do not know that the marine intended to kill him but he did. There is maybe another way to subdue that does not result in death.

by Anonymousreply 147May 5, 2023 4:08 PM

R143 you better quit being a centrist who makes sane arguments or you’re going to be banned.

Pick one:

Racist! who thinks he was a feral animal that deserved it.

Or

Evil whitey ruined his life over centuries and he was simply doing a sad Shakespeare-esque soliloquy on the train. No accountability for Neely.

by Anonymousreply 148May 5, 2023 4:12 PM

Is the GoFundMe live yet? You know, so they can dry their eyes with 100s.

by Anonymousreply 149May 5, 2023 4:15 PM

No time was wasted. They could smell that money.

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by Anonymousreply 150May 5, 2023 4:16 PM

My name is Carolyn Neely. My nephew is Jordan Neely. Jordan was murdered on the subway by a man. The man was arrested, then released not charged. I love my nephew Jordan Neely, he was a very talented black man who loves to dance. Performance was his thing. His mother is Christie Neely and she was murdered in April 2007. It’s been rough for him and all of us. We just want justice for him, please give what you can with your heart. He has so many fans, he will always be loved and remembered. We love you Jordan. ALL DONATIONS WILL BE GOING TOWRDS JORDANS FUNERAL AND EXPENSES RELATED TO HIS BURIAL AND PUBLIC VIEWING WE WILL BE HOLDING. God Bless. We are working on a date for the wake and burial I put the 15th we are hoping for that day it may change but we will have a solid date tomorrow. GOD BLESS THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR LOVE

by Anonymousreply 151May 5, 2023 4:17 PM

“ALL DONATIONS WILL BE GOING TOWRDS JORDANS FUNERAL AND EXPENSES RELATED TO HIS BURIAL AND PUBLIC VIEWING WE WILL BE HOLDING.”

Someone should follow up and make sure funds aren’t misappropriated.

by Anonymousreply 152May 5, 2023 4:17 PM

There are scores of homeless people in NYC that probably require some psychological attention. It is important to keep in mind that in addition to the the mental stress of not having a home, you do not have a structured normal day, being unable to get sufficient or proper sleep each day, you are also subsiding on whatever food you can get, so you are significantly nutrition deficient. All these factors play into your emotional and physical well-being. Often times just getting placed into some home or safe shelter makes a big difference.

by Anonymousreply 153May 5, 2023 4:18 PM

No, R118, but the MTA is part of the Port Authority which is a state agency and, therefore, the governor has some say over what happens in the subway. This why Cuomo had the power to shut down the entire system (and by doing so the entire city), for the first time in its history, because of a fucking blizzard. We were like he's doing it only because he could and it made him hard. He was such an arrogant shmuck.

by Anonymousreply 154May 5, 2023 4:20 PM

[quote] I think this marine guy clearly overreacted, and may have committed manslaughter, but was he just a murderous racist monster for doing so? I’m guessing no

R143, you acknowledge that it wasn’t murder, and that’s what’s important. Once we get past that, then we can examine the real questions about whether or not the restrainer acting responsibly and if a reasonable person would know that the action would result in death.

by Anonymousreply 155May 5, 2023 4:21 PM

r143 you summed up my own thoughts very well

by Anonymousreply 156May 5, 2023 4:30 PM

NY State and NYC have been run by a huge majority of democrats for decades. There has been ample opportunity to put new state and city systems in place, but they haven’t. The corruption is sky high and 75% of them are on the take, they can’t get Jack shit done. The capitalist Dems have their hand in the cash register, while they scream to the sensitive & triggered Progressives, “LOOK, OVER THERE! You see those nasty Republicans who won’t let me give you everything you want?!”

Ron Desatan, Matt Gayez, and Majorie Taylor Goon are not making NY policy. AOC is, Eric Adams is, Kathy Hochul is… if you want to blame someone email them your concerns. When it comes to crazy homeless people, it’s better to be in Tulsa or Omaha than NYC or LA, they don’t let them run around like entitled maniacs.

by Anonymousreply 157May 5, 2023 4:38 PM

R129 Not Guilty, by reason of excessive, chewable nippage.

by Anonymousreply 158May 5, 2023 4:40 PM

It's involuntary manslaughter at most. He didn't intend to kill the guy.

And there are extenuating circumstances: As someone mentioned upthread, the guy was a Marine and could have been triggered into PTSD from training or combat.

And the guy was not sitting around minding his own business. He was ranting like a lunatic and menacing people. On the NYC local news, every night there are stories about people going nuts and stabbing, slashing, and shooting people randomly or putting bystanders in harm's way. A couple months ago there were five stabbings/slashings in Manhattan one day. Last fall, three people were stabbed on the train.

Anyone who's freaking out like this guy was, I guarantee the people around are feeling in immediate danger, thinking, how close is this guy to pulling a knife? There was nowhere for them to go.

by Anonymousreply 159May 5, 2023 4:45 PM

Will anyone go to the funeral and ask Auntie Carolyn Neely why she did not provide a home, food, and medical care for her nephew ? Instead, she let him live on the streets and in the subway terrorizing other citizens ?

by Anonymousreply 160May 5, 2023 4:46 PM

I will agree with Mayor Adams…the mental health system failed this guy. Yes, his behavior was disturbing. I always go the other way when I see people like him on public transport. To have lost his mother in such a horrible way. That set him off. But he should have been in an institution where he could have been treated.

by Anonymousreply 161May 5, 2023 4:47 PM

Should have a free bus to Florida every week for these psychopaths. They’d fit right in down there.

by Anonymousreply 162May 5, 2023 4:49 PM

R160 she couldn’t! All the cracker whiteys were holding her back and wouldn’t allow her when she tried! She screamed on her front porch every night, “Where my precious baby nephew? I just want to support him through his difficult times, nourish his mind and body with good nutritious food and in education of all the great things in life and higher ideas! To teach him to be an upstanding gentleman, who loves all people!” Soliloquies run in the family.

Just kidding, but when he died, she was like “I’m fittin to get paid, mothafuckas! Yeah, holla at ya Gurl!”

by Anonymousreply 163May 5, 2023 4:54 PM

R157, but, but, but ... REAGAN! Amirite? I mean, what can any Democrat do about policies some Republican enacted 40 years ago? Nothing! Nothing but wring our hands and lament!

by Anonymousreply 164May 5, 2023 4:58 PM

You racist bitches are going to get this thread nuked as well

by Anonymousreply 165May 5, 2023 4:59 PM

Jordan Neely: LGBTQIA+ ALLY 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️👏🏾

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by Anonymousreply 166May 5, 2023 5:03 PM

Upstanding young men.

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by Anonymousreply 167May 5, 2023 5:17 PM
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by Anonymousreply 168May 5, 2023 5:20 PM

I’m right there with you Bootsy R143 and the fact that the quote at R132 was the most liked makes me think that the nut jobs are just louder, not more numerous.

by Anonymousreply 169May 5, 2023 5:29 PM

[quote]I love my nephew Jordan Neely, he was a very talented black man who loves to dance. Performance was his thing. His mother is Christie Neely and she was murdered in April 2007.

Auntie Carolyn fails to mention that Mama was murdered by HER OWN HUSBAND.

by Anonymousreply 170May 5, 2023 5:42 PM

I'm hoping Joy Reid, Al Sharpton, and Sunny Hostin attend his funeral.

by Anonymousreply 171May 5, 2023 5:43 PM

Has the family retained Attorney Benjamin Crump yet?? That’s when you’ll know they’re full-on grifters.

by Anonymousreply 172May 5, 2023 5:46 PM

It's one thing to recognize that he was a menace to daily commuters.

It's quite another to basically celebrate his death.

by Anonymousreply 173May 5, 2023 5:49 PM

NYC has always been survival of the fittest. Don't know why anyone is surprised.

by Anonymousreply 174May 5, 2023 5:52 PM

I’m not really comfortable with the marine execution squad deciding who is and isn’t a public menace.

by Anonymousreply 175May 5, 2023 6:00 PM

If only the marine had also taken out Joy Reid too.

by Anonymousreply 176May 5, 2023 6:13 PM

Clearly a danger to himself and others. Did you see how hard he shoved the woman into the train?

What does his aunt say about not taking him in? She was probably afraid of him.

It’s difficult to have someone committed, even when they act out like this dude.

by Anonymousreply 177May 5, 2023 6:22 PM

Daniel Penny has been identified as the 'Vigilante Marine'. Here's a sexy photo of him being shared on the internet.

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by Anonymousreply 178May 5, 2023 6:37 PM

R178: The Datalounge jury finds Daniel NOT GUILTY of all charges and offers to comfort him and relieve his stress in any way possible.

by Anonymousreply 179May 5, 2023 6:43 PM

[quote] Will anyone go to the funeral and ask Auntie Carolyn Neely why she did not provide a home, food, and medical care for her nephew ? Instead, she let him live on the streets and in the subway terrorizing other citizens ?

I can answer that. Because his care needs exceeded her capacity. She has to work 60 hours a week to keep her (multi-generational) household safe, clothed and fed. She loved him but didn't have the bandwidth or resources to meet his extraordinary care needs. That's why a lot of mentally ill homeless are walking the streets. They require a lot of care and supervision that the typical family cannot provide.

by Anonymousreply 180May 5, 2023 6:49 PM

r180 correct, but don't feed the obvious trolls by responding to their nonsense. That poster wasn't looking for a real response

by Anonymousreply 181May 5, 2023 6:53 PM

The same reason why I don’t support my bipolar, drug addicted brother. His needs exceed my ability to help him.

Nobody wins here. And in typical DL fashion, some of these warped white sissies are trying to make Nelly’s killer “hot” because he’s blond with a flat stomach.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

And then you should be gassed.

by Anonymousreply 182May 5, 2023 6:57 PM

[quote]And then you should be gassed.

Always fun to play "my bloodlust is more holy than yours."

by Anonymousreply 183May 5, 2023 7:00 PM

[quote]Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. And then you should be gassed.

Yeah, you really sure come off as Miss Moral Conscience 2023 by calling for mass murder.

by Anonymousreply 184May 5, 2023 7:08 PM

So what? If some of you are going to be callous about the unfortunate death of a mentally disturbed person, why can’t I post this?

The man has taken someone’s life. And while we don’t have all the information yet, the idea of making a sex symbol of a potential murderer is ok with you…wow.

by Anonymousreply 185May 5, 2023 7:16 PM

you know the family is looking a big fucking PAY DAY from NYC.

Why didn't they just mace the fucking guy? I would never touch a drity, smelly and homeless person. maybe I should buy a tazer

by Anonymousreply 186May 5, 2023 7:29 PM

There was NO INTENT. I am on the side of the Marine. I am sad someone died, it's too bad but the guy is better off dead anyways. Homeless existence is hell.

by Anonymousreply 187May 5, 2023 7:31 PM

I approve, R178.

by Anonymousreply 188May 5, 2023 7:33 PM

Daniel Perry: Anyone had him?

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by Anonymousreply 189May 5, 2023 7:46 PM

[quote] I am sad someone died, it's too bad but the guy is better off dead anyways. Homeless existence is hell.

Obviously, it is not for you to say that someone is better off dead -- unless the someone is you. A homeless existence requires a lot of determination. I imagine most mentally ill homeless people believe their lives have value, and that's why they're still around.

by Anonymousreply 190May 5, 2023 7:47 PM

What’s the likelihood that Penny will get a fair trial in NYC? Really, it’s like having a trial in the Soviet Union. The only thing will matter is that it was a white person trying to protect others and a black man who died.

by Anonymousreply 191May 5, 2023 8:13 PM

He won't go to trial. Nobody in NYC government wants the circus of a trial; they want this to disappear.

If he's charged with anything, it'll be involuntary manslaughter, and he'll plead out.

by Anonymousreply 192May 5, 2023 8:18 PM

R166 Of course he was a homophobe. Its always so cringe when the liberal media makes these piece of shit criminals into some godly saints.

by Anonymousreply 193May 5, 2023 8:38 PM

[quote] I'm hoping Joy Reid, Al Sharpton, and Sunny Hostin attend his funeral.

“𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑎 𝑏𝑢𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑘𝑒𝑒𝑝𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑒𝑠, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑔𝑠, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑝𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑁𝑒𝑔𝑟𝑜 𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐. 𝐻𝑎𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑎 𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑒𝑠, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑙𝑒𝑑 ℎ𝑎𝑏𝑖𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑎𝑑𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑤𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑔𝑠 — 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑠𝑦𝑚𝑝𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑖𝑡 𝑝𝑎𝑦𝑠. 𝑆𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑒 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑑𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑁𝑒𝑔𝑟𝑜 𝑡𝑜 𝑙𝑜𝑠𝑒 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑔𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑠, 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑑𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑙𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑗𝑜𝑏𝑠.”

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by Anonymousreply 194May 5, 2023 8:48 PM

Uncle Tom r194!

by Anonymousreply 195May 5, 2023 8:50 PM

Where's the lie? R195

by Anonymousreply 196May 5, 2023 8:54 PM

[quote]I am sad someone [bold]was murdered[/bold], it's too bad but the guy is better off [bold]murdered[/bold] anyways.

Fixed your typos, hon.

by Anonymousreply 197May 5, 2023 9:01 PM

Except he wasn't murdered, R197. Murder requires premeditation. He was killed.

by Anonymousreply 198May 5, 2023 9:06 PM

R194, those large h's in your quoted text are aggressive!

by Anonymousreply 199May 5, 2023 9:08 PM

[quote]The man has taken someone’s life. And while we don’t have all the information yet, the idea of making a sex symbol of a potential murderer is ok with you…wow.

The man has taken someone's life, and in return has saved countless lives. Read up and watch the videos of how many innocent bystanders were victims of Neely's dangerous behavior. It was only a matter of time before someone ended up dead at his hands.

As for the sex symbol - not only does he have a flat stomach (as mentioned earlier), he has delicious gigantic nipples.

by Anonymousreply 200May 5, 2023 9:24 PM

[quote] [R143], you acknowledge that it wasn’t murder, and that’s what’s important.

Well, I said probably not, but the facts will out. When he’s charged he’ll be investigated as to motive. I might change my tune if it’s discovered that he has a history of racist posts or run ins with African Americans.

To me, based on the dead persons actions, it seems more likely this was an overreaction rather than cold blooded murder. We will see.

by Anonymousreply 201May 5, 2023 9:29 PM

The Marine did not act alone. Several men, including a black man, helped subdue Neely. Whatever he said or did, all three or four men felt threatened enough to work together to take him down.

by Anonymousreply 202May 5, 2023 9:32 PM

[quote]I can answer that. Because his care needs exceeded her capacity. She has to work 60 hours a week to keep her (multi-generational) household safe, clothed and fed. She loved him but didn't have the bandwidth or resources to meet his extraordinary care needs. That's why a lot of mentally ill homeless are walking the streets. They require a lot of care and supervision that the typical family cannot provide.

So what exactly has she done other than start a GoFundMe now that's he dead ?

Doing nothing because 'she doesn't have the bandwith' is called ignoring the situation. It doesn't take much bandwith to make phone calls to her local social services, local mental health centers, local homeless shelters, local church communities, local food pantries - and explain her situation and her nephew's situation. Once they got the information, they would do their best to find him and reach out to him, and she could continue with her busy life.

If she has the capabilities to start a GFM page today, then she had the capabilities to make a few phone calls over the past twenty years.

by Anonymousreply 203May 5, 2023 9:33 PM

[quote]Muriel's grumpy, elderqueen brother

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 204May 5, 2023 9:35 PM

Clearly some posters have no idea what it's like to deal with a loved one suffering from a major mental illness like schizophrenia

by Anonymousreply 205May 5, 2023 9:35 PM

[quote]Except he wasn't murdered, [R197]. Murder requires premeditation. He was killed.

What the fuck ever. Motive will be for the court. Just get this passive voice "he died" horseshit out of the conversation.

He didn't spontaneously stop breathing. Force was applied to make that happen.

by Anonymousreply 206May 5, 2023 9:43 PM

R143, totally agree Bootsy.

by Anonymousreply 207May 5, 2023 9:43 PM

[quote]What does his aunt say about not taking him in? She was probably afraid of him.

That grifting aunt was nowhere to be found for decades. Now suddenly her nephew ended up dead because he tried to start some shit with the wrong person, and she sees big $$$$.

by Anonymousreply 208May 5, 2023 9:44 PM

R205, and some other posters have never had the pleasure of sharing a subway car or platform with someone suffering from a major mental illness like schizophrenia.

It was only a year ago that a black man full of racist fury shot up an N train car. Everyone's forgotten already. But this, and countless other personal encounters with scary lunatics of assorted races and genders, weigh on the minds of regular subway riders.

by Anonymousreply 209May 5, 2023 9:47 PM

I ride public transit every day, r209

by Anonymousreply 210May 5, 2023 9:48 PM

This is akin to when police use excessive force to "subdue" someone they feel is unruly and end up killing him, and many here find it to be justified. He was acting irrational , there is no information yet that he was directly threatening anybody.

by Anonymousreply 211May 5, 2023 9:48 PM

Amen, R209!

- A Native New Yorker (Rode the F today to Herald Square. It was definitely more anxiety producing than normal.)

by Anonymousreply 212May 5, 2023 9:50 PM

So daddy works for the NYPD negotiating excessive force cases?

Oh this is gonna get messy.

by Anonymousreply 213May 5, 2023 9:51 PM

I ride the NYC every day, I don't condone taking someone out if they seem emotionally erratic.

by Anonymousreply 214May 5, 2023 9:53 PM

More of this

by Anonymousreply 215May 5, 2023 9:54 PM

R215 here. More of this is likely to happen when you combine mental illness, addiction and the current state of minds in this country. People have had it. For a million different reasons, it seems people are at the end of their ropes. Violence and lack of concern for others is the new normal. I wouldn't ride public transportation the last time I was in NYC due to Covid caution and close quarters. But now I'd never ride the subway. Too many crazies. Too much drama, Too much filth. And too many people who won't step in to help for fear of being charged with a crime.

by Anonymousreply 216May 5, 2023 9:59 PM

Knocking on the wrong door.

Entering the wrong car.

Talking to the wrong person on the street.

Yelling on a crowded train.

Making people uncomfortable can now get you killed.

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by Anonymousreply 217May 5, 2023 10:00 PM

r217 meet r130

by Anonymousreply 218May 5, 2023 10:03 PM

[quote]Nobody wins here. And in typical DL fashion, some of these warped white sissies are trying to make Nelly’s killer “hot” because he’s blond with a flat stomach.

Forget his flat stomach (which you can bounce a quarter off of) - have you seen those gorgeous nips which you can suck on for hours ? Holy Moly !

by Anonymousreply 219May 5, 2023 10:04 PM

R217 It was more than 'yelling' on a crowded train. Witnesses say he was yelling "I'm gonna hurt someone and I don't care if I end up in jail."

That's called 'threatening to do bodily harm to innocent bystanders on a crowded train' can get you killed.

by Anonymousreply 220May 5, 2023 10:07 PM

Whoops, R218.

[quote]Can you imagine a world where women shot someone every time we felt unsafe?

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by Anonymousreply 221May 5, 2023 10:11 PM

This story is a veritable black hole of America's ills in 2023. Race, untreated mental illness, homelessness, public transit, dangerous, Democrat-ruled New York City, violent veterans, GoFundMe, and death. And convenient, ready-made narratives for those on both the right and the left.

It truly has it all.

by Anonymousreply 222May 5, 2023 10:22 PM

You know what we need to do? Find some designated land in a forest and banish the homeless city people to live there. Let them provide themselves with food by sustenance farming and hunting.

by Anonymousreply 223May 5, 2023 10:30 PM

It will end in cyanide r223!

by Anonymousreply 224May 5, 2023 10:31 PM

R222, not yet -- no violent riots, complete with fires, grievous bodily harm, and death. But you can't say the media aren't trying! Summer's right around the corner, after all, and everyone knows summer is riot season!

by Anonymousreply 225May 5, 2023 10:32 PM

R203 do all that and there’s still nothing post-Reagan. (And wtf with thinking a church pantry is going to be able to handle a mentally ill person who assaults people?) I’ve posted this before, but I have a relative under guardianship and said guardian has made extensive efforts to find an arrangement for him when the guardian is no longer able to provide care and there’s nothing. The difference between me and the Aunt in this case is that I understood that when my relative makes violent threats and behaves in a menacing manner to strangers they have every right to fear for their lives and respond as such. And that’s even though I know he isn’t actually violent, just scared when he behaves that way. My heart goes out to every one on that subway car.

by Anonymousreply 226May 5, 2023 10:40 PM

You conveniently left out a few groups, R224:

Racist tabloid journalism

Travis Bickle wannabes

nonexistent safety net for mentally ill

and the word is [bold]DEMOCRATIC[/bold], giving away your political bias.

by Anonymousreply 227May 5, 2023 10:55 PM

Whoops. R227 refers to R222.

by Anonymousreply 228May 5, 2023 10:56 PM

Gives what away, r227? I am solidly left wing, and my extensive posting history on DL bears that out.

Please read my post at r222 again, especially the past where I write, "[C]onvenient, ready-made narratives for those on both the right and the left."

by Anonymousreply 229May 5, 2023 10:59 PM

Clearly Jesus wanted a Michael Jackson impersonator in heaven.

by Anonymousreply 230May 5, 2023 11:07 PM

That Times editorial is titled “Making People Uncomfortable Can Now Get You Killed.” A more accurate title would be, “Making People Terrified They’re About To Be Murdered Can Now Get You Killed.”

by Anonymousreply 231May 5, 2023 11:10 PM

The Times editorial writers probably haven't set foot in the subway since Ed Koch was mayor

by Anonymousreply 232May 5, 2023 11:13 PM

If even .001% of people who "make others uncomfortable" got killed, the streets of New York would be running red with blood.

by Anonymousreply 233May 5, 2023 11:14 PM

Only if you write editorial for the New York Post, R231.

by Anonymousreply 234May 5, 2023 11:25 PM

I guess we can then surmise where Michael Jackson is not, R230?

by Anonymousreply 235May 5, 2023 11:34 PM

I was very surprised by the NYTs reader responses. There was a lot of empathy for the men on the train, including the Marine. I think people have really had enough with all the issues involved in this case and really want change, especially taking care of the mentally and getting them off the streets.

by Anonymousreply 236May 5, 2023 11:36 PM

We need to start building asylums/state mental hospitals, and making it far easier to do involuntary hospitalizations for schizophrenics and the seriously and dangerously mentally ill

by Anonymousreply 237May 5, 2023 11:36 PM

Someone above mentioned Bernie Goetz. I was just out of college and working my first job when that happened. What I remember most vividly is that the newspapers I read, like the Times and the News and the Voice, were full of outraged stories and editorials that boiled down to: These poor boys didn't do anything really, and Goetz had been prowling the streets looking for black men to hunt down and kill.

What astonished me is that despite all the media frenzy, not one single person I talked to, whether friends, family, or coworkers, thought Goetz was essentially in the wrong. It was an early, pre-internet lesson on the gulf between what the media puts out and what people actually believe.

by Anonymousreply 238May 5, 2023 11:37 PM

Someone choked a homeless man with a Subway?

Must have been one of those horrible turkey meatball concoctions on that nasty gummy bread.

by Anonymousreply 239May 5, 2023 11:39 PM

R189 MY GOD THE NIPPLES!

by Anonymousreply 240May 5, 2023 11:40 PM

Trying to make the grade and receive attention for being one of those special worthy few, R233? u Obviously you're working with some reasoning challenges yourself, if you equate threatening, out-of-control lunatics in public with someone making people uncomfortable because she's picking her nose and eating the harvest.

Like yo' mama.

by Anonymousreply 241May 5, 2023 11:43 PM

[quote]Gives what away, [R227]? I am solidly left wing, and my extensive posting history on DL bears that out.

And on second view you're not really using "Democrat" as an adjective. My bad.

by Anonymousreply 242May 5, 2023 11:43 PM

All is forgiven r242

by Anonymousreply 243May 5, 2023 11:44 PM

Thank you for restoring priorities here, R240.

One could serve scampi family style from one of those aureoles, and use the other one for drawn butter.

by Anonymousreply 244May 5, 2023 11:48 PM

It's going to start happening more often. New Yorkers are fed up with incompetent mayors, corrupt judges, and cops who don't give a shit.

by Anonymousreply 245May 5, 2023 11:48 PM

he told cops at the scene that he was only holding him until cops arrived.

by Anonymousreply 246May 5, 2023 11:50 PM

R241, I wasn't doing anything of the kind. Merely pointing out the hysterical, pearl-clutching exaggeration in the Times headline.

by Anonymousreply 247May 5, 2023 11:50 PM

[quote]It's going to start happening more often. New Yorkers are fed up with incompetent mayors, corrupt judges, and cops who don't give a shit.

Agreed. If judges are going to keep refusing to lock up these violent criminals, people are going to start killing them in self-defense as soon as they start acting aggressive.

by Anonymousreply 248May 5, 2023 11:54 PM

Daniel Penny, the subway marine, has enormous nips.

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by Anonymousreply 249May 6, 2023 12:04 AM

Hopefully this highly trending topic doesn’t get deleted

by Anonymousreply 250May 6, 2023 12:12 AM

R249, I'll bet those gorgeous nipples are highly sensitive.

by Anonymousreply 251May 6, 2023 12:36 AM

Before people call NY government officials incompetent, tell us how you plan to clean up all the trains in these numbers, which were from 2021 — so lower than now!:

From MTA - Manhattan Transit Authority:

We operate the largest public transportation agency in North America and one of the largest in the world.

The New York City subway has a daily ridership of approximately 2.4 million. This represents only 45% and 56%, respectively, of our pre-pandemic ridership levels.

Our system includes: More than 6,455 subway cars, which collectively traveled about 331 million miles in 2021

472 subway stations

665 miles of track

by Anonymousreply 252May 6, 2023 12:43 AM

Look at those gorg eyes!

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by Anonymousreply 253May 6, 2023 12:56 AM

If Daniel Penny is not indicted, riots ensue . If riots happen, this will deeply affect race relations and help the Trump

by Anonymousreply 254May 6, 2023 12:57 AM

That gorgeous man with those astounding nipples is innocent! INNOCENT I SAY!!!!

by Anonymousreply 255May 6, 2023 12:59 AM

Only shallow Dalaloungers would ogle over a person who unnecessarily took the life of an emotionally stressed homeless person.

by Anonymousreply 256May 6, 2023 1:00 AM

I don't think so R254. Maybe the marxists, leftist, progressives and democratic socialist, but they are always looking for excuses to destroy. People who live in reality understand how this could happen. Several men tried to subdue a man who was making threats. He instigated the whole situation. Read the reader responses in New York newspapers.

by Anonymousreply 257May 6, 2023 1:01 AM

Holy smokes! Those are Mallomar nipples!

by Anonymousreply 258May 6, 2023 1:03 AM

R256, Lmao 🤣 Jordan’s karma hit hard

by Anonymousreply 259May 6, 2023 1:03 AM

R256, you must be new here. Perhaps you should move on. You are way too concrete.

by Anonymousreply 260May 6, 2023 1:04 AM

some of you are so fucking STUPID. IT IS NOT MURDER BECAUSE, THERE IS NO INTENT!!!

He didn't PLAN to do this.

yes the poor bastard died. It is MANSLAUGHTER at best.

This is a good man. He should not be charged.

by Anonymousreply 261May 6, 2023 1:04 AM

Maybe those bastards who threaten, intimidate and make life miserable for other subway riders will now think twice before they do their fuckery! Most are not homeless and are not mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 262May 6, 2023 1:08 AM

I'd be afraid on a train where someone was acting erratic and yelling about not caring if he went to prison and was ready to die. I do feel bad that he died, but I don't think the guy wanted to kill him. Untreated mentally ill people can be very scary and unpredictable.

by Anonymousreply 263May 6, 2023 1:10 AM

[quote]. It was an early, pre-internet lesson on the gulf between what the media puts out and what people actually believe

Kinda like the whole trans thing.

by Anonymousreply 264May 6, 2023 1:11 AM

R254 Riots only if the weather is nice.

by Anonymousreply 265May 6, 2023 1:13 AM

A lot of the posters in this thread are fucking [bold]TERRIBLE[/bold] people. So much racism.

by Anonymousreply 266May 6, 2023 1:15 AM

[quote] the gulf between what the media puts out and what people actually believe

Who cares what the peasants think

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by Anonymousreply 267May 6, 2023 1:15 AM

r266 if it makes you better, a single troll is responsible for a lot of the racist posts

by Anonymousreply 268May 6, 2023 1:18 AM

The marine may get charged with manslaughter. His defense will be justifiable homicide under article 35 and it is unlikely that a NYC jury would ever convict him.

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by Anonymousreply 269May 6, 2023 1:18 AM

He showed that bum who was hardcore. He shoulda kept his fkin mouth shut.

by Anonymousreply 270May 6, 2023 1:19 AM

R260 I've been here about 20 years. And yet I still am flabbergasted when people focus on the looks of the a person who took the life of another person. Perhaps I I value human life more than tight abs.

by Anonymousreply 271May 6, 2023 1:22 AM

Camp and gallows humor goes completely over your head R271.

by Anonymousreply 272May 6, 2023 1:24 AM

I don’t think the NYPD will Allow riots . But other cities yes

by Anonymousreply 273May 6, 2023 1:31 AM

R218 It's like Lord of the Flies out there.

by Anonymousreply 274May 6, 2023 1:37 AM

It’s heating up

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by Anonymousreply 275May 6, 2023 1:48 AM

Hero marine statement through his law firm.

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by Anonymousreply 276May 6, 2023 1:49 AM

Early out

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by Anonymousreply 277May 6, 2023 1:50 AM

This could be an interesting weekend

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by Anonymousreply 278May 6, 2023 1:52 AM

The media and some people on here are really trying to rile up the masses. It ain't gonna work. This is no George Floyd incident, not by a long shot.

by Anonymousreply 279May 6, 2023 1:57 AM

R279, is a white racist

by Anonymousreply 280May 6, 2023 2:03 AM

The dead dangerous guy's supporters say they are ready to put on their strapons.

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by Anonymousreply 281May 6, 2023 2:04 AM

Will the NYPD allow riots ?

by Anonymousreply 282May 6, 2023 2:06 AM

Well, they will be in the penitentiary.

by Anonymousreply 283May 6, 2023 2:13 AM

Sorry, R283 was a response to R251

by Anonymousreply 284May 6, 2023 2:16 AM

He exacerbated the situation by putting him in a choke hold. If someone restricted me in such a fashion I would also be struggling to get out fearing I was going to die. The only person who should have felt to be in danger was the person who died.

by Anonymousreply 285May 6, 2023 2:19 AM

Jordan was a piece of excrement

by Anonymousreply 286May 6, 2023 2:32 AM

Are they also going to prosecute the black guy?

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by Anonymousreply 287May 6, 2023 2:32 AM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 288May 6, 2023 2:43 AM

The local NYC news stations really are trying to whip things up.

I had Ch. 4 on in the background as I was working today. They air something like 4 or 5 hours a day of local news now, and all day long, they were saying, "Protests are expected," "Protests are expected tonight!" "Protests anticipated this weekend!"

No details on where the protests are planned, or who's planning them. Just a chance to rehash the choking video.

by Anonymousreply 289May 6, 2023 2:46 AM

A post on Reddit from nine years ago warns the public about #JordanNeely.

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by Anonymousreply 290May 6, 2023 3:03 AM

Yo. The video at r287 has audio cut in from a completely different video.

This is why I don't get emotional over shit posted on the internet anymore. Between video editing software and deepfakes, I withhold my opinions until ALL THE SHIT gets released.

This is a trip.

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by Anonymousreply 291May 6, 2023 3:43 AM

Daniel Penny’s attorney, Thomas Kenniff, released a statement on Friday night in which he claimed Penny had acted “to protect” himself and other passengers after Neely “began aggressively threatening” them. Kenniff insisted Penny “never intended to harm Mr. Neely and could not have foreseen his untimely death.” The statement also pointed to Neely’s “documented history of violent and erratic behavior” and decried the mental-health crisis in the city.

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by Anonymousreply 292May 6, 2023 4:27 AM

R271 you don't understand our DL humor I guess. That's cool.

(Weird you've been able to stand it here for that long if making a joke about the hotness of a would-be killer bothers you.)

by Anonymousreply 293May 6, 2023 5:01 AM

If that statement at R277 is real, it’s absolutely disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 294May 6, 2023 5:09 AM

It’s going to be a long hot summer

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by Anonymousreply 295May 6, 2023 5:45 AM

[quote]It is sad that the marine did not know how to de-escalate a threat without killing the guy. Or that no one intervened to tell the marine to ease up.

Per WPIX-Channel 11 here in NYC, audio has surfaced in which someone on the train urged Daniel Penny to release Neely:

[quote]There were several witnesses on board the train, including one who shouted out to Penny, as held Neely in a chokehold, “You gotta let him go. My wife is ex-military. you gonna kill him now…I’m tellin’ you.”

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by Anonymousreply 296May 6, 2023 5:56 AM

What the fuck does this have to do with race? One of the guys trying to restrain him was black. There are many black on white crimes involving the homeless that never get covered. Sick of MSM and their constant race-baiting.

by Anonymousreply 297May 6, 2023 6:23 AM

The murderer was trained in this type of choke hold. He knew that holding it for that long was likely to cause death. He’s a menace to society and should be locked away. Of course you’re all hard for him.

by Anonymousreply 298May 6, 2023 6:36 AM

R299, I hope he gets off . If grand jury doesn’t indict, NYC burns

by Anonymousreply 299May 6, 2023 7:25 AM

I suspect very few of these "Justice For Jordan" protesters would have given the man the time of day when he was alive but now they have no problem using his death

by Anonymousreply 300May 6, 2023 7:32 AM

Why do the rich still pay so much to live in NYC? The city seems scary and to be avoided. Or is all this violence contained away from the rich?

by Anonymousreply 301May 6, 2023 7:46 AM

The media so wants riots

by Anonymousreply 302May 6, 2023 11:06 AM

R27 Yeah..NO. It's VERY simple. There is NO NEED to continue to hold a MAN (not a political pawn for Liberals AND Cousinfucker Trump supporters) in a chokehold until he dies--UNLESS you want him to. ESPECIALLY, when he was surrounded by people checking the guy's arms to see if he was still alive. He could've SIMPLY asked someone to find security while he restrained in a NON-LETHAL hold after seeing the man was no longer struggling.

THAT'S the difference between restraining and choking someone to death.

by Anonymousreply 303May 6, 2023 11:49 AM

[quote]The media so wants riots

So do several posters on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 304May 6, 2023 12:01 PM

The perp really did choke him to death. He had a choice midway through to let go.

by Anonymousreply 305May 6, 2023 1:11 PM

Expert

On Fox

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by Anonymousreply 306May 6, 2023 1:21 PM
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by Anonymousreply 307May 6, 2023 1:22 PM

r307 shameful but not surprising

by Anonymousreply 308May 6, 2023 1:31 PM
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by Anonymousreply 309May 6, 2023 2:10 PM

This is losing steam fast. The media is desperate to keep it going. Even the old blm brigade isn’t turning out to protest.

by Anonymousreply 310May 6, 2023 3:07 PM

Of course AOC is out riling the situation up. Don't make this situation any harder for the mayor to handle. NYC is already a mess.

by Anonymousreply 311May 6, 2023 3:14 PM

AOC is an attention whore and an illiterate cunt. Our version of MTG.

by Anonymousreply 312May 6, 2023 3:25 PM

AOC can always be counted on to make things worse for the democrats. We haven't heard the last from her about this.

by Anonymousreply 313May 6, 2023 4:12 PM

Hey, wouldn't it be great if one billion dollars were allocated for mental health services in NYC?

We could call the program "Thrive NYC" or something. Think of all the people that could be helped!

Oh, wait. We did have that. In De Blasio's administration.

And his wife, Chirlaine McCrae, was put in charge of it. And most of the money disappeared, unaccounted for. Something like $850 million, just -- *poof!*

Maybe we should try again with another $1B for the Adams administration. After all, he doesn't have a wife.

by Anonymousreply 314May 6, 2023 4:14 PM

The comments in the tweet from this self-pitying man-baby….

Like the trolls who show up every third post in this thread to scream “tHe RiOTs aRE CummING!!” Elon exemplifies a faction of society who are so entitled that they think the entertainment factor of the suffering of others is a valid adrenaline rush.

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by Anonymousreply 315May 6, 2023 4:29 PM

Someone get R315 a mirror.

by Anonymousreply 316May 6, 2023 4:34 PM

Want reparations? Sorry, Chirlane McCray already got ‘em!

That grifter cunt should be in prison. She made nearly a billion dollars of taxpayer money disappear, and she allegedly doesn’t know where it went…

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by Anonymousreply 317May 6, 2023 4:40 PM

[quote] This is akin to when police use excessive force to "subdue" someone they feel is unruly and end up killing him, and many here find it to be justified.

It may be akin, but it is [bold]absolutely[/bold] not the same thing.

The police act as civic officers, and their actions are ultimately the responsibility of the city. This man was acting in his own interests when he was on the subway. You cannot rightly protest the city for his actions--the city of NYC had nothing to do with his actions. he was acting as a private citizen.

by Anonymousreply 318May 6, 2023 5:14 PM

If the races were switched you would all “Yasss Kween!” it and then quickly ignore it

by Anonymousreply 319May 6, 2023 5:32 PM

[quote] If the races were switched you would all “Yasss Kween!” it and then quickly ignore it

No.

Because a human being would still be dead.

by Anonymousreply 320May 6, 2023 5:38 PM

R320 you’re full of shit. We’ve seen many thread where a black person brutalizes a white person and it’s crickets or “well guess that’s what they got” from the progressives

by Anonymousreply 321May 6, 2023 5:43 PM

This is why pro-lifers are insufferable. If you are not going to deal with the unwanted post-birth and bitch about their negative impacts to society, then it is nonsensical that you force their births in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 322May 6, 2023 5:50 PM

An hour ago I was in the Target across 34th St from Macy's. A middle-age, smelly, white woman was screaming at the top of her lungs and throwing things as a police officer escorted her out. Similarly, I was in a Target in Kipps Bay last year when a different middle-age white woman was banging her head on a glass case and shouting that nobody would help her.

Nobody killed either one of them. But...

One question is why are we incapable of giving people the help they need?

[quote] Jordan Neely was dead even before Marine Corps veteran Daniel Penny allegedly choked the life out of him on the floor of a subway train. Modern America, including New York, designates some categories of people as socially dead — part of an underclass that is subject to exclusion, indifference, or even outright hatred and violence.

[...]

[quote] In addition to the bystander telling Penny to stop, others watched and even helped him. This is what happens when the sight of the distressed becomes so common that it is both fearsome and exhausting; we look the other way, mutter about crime and quality of life, and ignore the fact that we as a society are taking the cheap, easy way out by condemning some of our neighbors to a kind of walking death and hoping we avoid the consequences.

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by Anonymousreply 323May 6, 2023 5:55 PM

No solution, republicans don’t want to spend the money, if we did both parties would fleece the cash, and progressives will consider anything inhumane unless they put the homeless up at the Ritz-Carlton with take out from a steakhouse and a chauffeured Maybach on standby, even then they’d complain about something. Much like race, taxes, and Trans there is no solution around the corner here.

by Anonymousreply 324May 6, 2023 6:01 PM

[quote] The murderer was trained in this type of choke hold. He knew that holding it for that long was likely to cause death. He’s a menace to society and should be locked away. Of course you’re all hard for him.

This is the part that gets me. We know that marines are trained to kill and are desensitized to killing. They only know one way to neutralize a threat. So when this guy placed Neely in a chokehold what was his intent, to subdue or to kill? This was deemed a homicide so I don't understand why the marine was not arrested. In this case, because the victim was not armed and didn't strike first, self-defense is question for a trier of fact not the police.

by Anonymousreply 325May 6, 2023 6:09 PM

I’m now believing there will be no riots until grand jury decision. When are they expected to start ? Summer

by Anonymousreply 326May 6, 2023 6:33 PM

I do Believe there will be another police shooting of a sweet, honor student black guy and that will be the catalyst for riots soon. NYC will not tolerate riots in city. They will in other cities though

by Anonymousreply 327May 6, 2023 6:40 PM

I have zero sympathy for this “ victim.” Jordan was a menace to society

by Anonymousreply 328May 6, 2023 6:49 PM

R324, can you point to where there are Republicans in NYC with the power to block "solutions" to the problem of homelessness, addiction, and mental illness?

I'm all for trashing Republicans, but I keep hearing "Reagan did this" and "Republicans won't allow that." Are Democrats saying that as long as there is even a single Republican on the City Council, nothing can be done? Why are we electing these people? Why are we allowing them to make excuses?

by Anonymousreply 329May 6, 2023 6:51 PM

Agree w your analysis, ElderLez @ r269. In the meantime, the prospect of defending criminal charges can itself be deadly—read today's NYT story, headlined A Tragedy in Omaha. Man defending his 69 year old father from mob, during 2020 riots, committed suicide rather than face uncertain treatment by justice system.

Which is not to say charges shouldn’t be brought. But if I were the prosecutor, I would not relish taking this case to trial in front of an NYC jury of straphangers.

by Anonymousreply 330May 6, 2023 7:08 PM

[quote] can you point to where there are Republicans in NYC with the power to block "solutions" to the problem of homelessness, addiction, and mental illness?

I'm not R324 but here's part of the answer..

The PBA, under Patrick Lynch, issued their only ever presidential endorsement for DJT.

And, there is suspicion that the Marine is being treated with kid gloves because he's related to a state trooper.

Add in the history of police work stoppages (New York, Philly, Chicago...) and it's pretty clear that government can only do so much when the enforcement arm is not in agreement.

And, the current RETROACTIVE agreement Mayor ("pastor") Adams just entered into is taking funds away from education and libraries to add to the already $11 Billion NYPD annual budget.

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by Anonymousreply 331May 6, 2023 7:10 PM

The public is on the side of the marine , including most new Yorkers

by Anonymousreply 332May 6, 2023 7:17 PM

The funding was always federal R329.

by Anonymousreply 333May 6, 2023 7:19 PM

R332 exactly only the progressive, extremist, anarchist Yassss Kweens are gunning to make Felony Feely a victim.

by Anonymousreply 334May 6, 2023 8:06 PM

Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

There are people out there who know the "hero" and they don't have good things to say.

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by Anonymousreply 335May 6, 2023 8:10 PM

The byline with the witness account speaks volumes

"No one on the car was telling the Marine to stop."

by Anonymousreply 336May 6, 2023 8:12 PM

R336

Not totally true. Read the article. Especially the remarks on the "hero's" demeanor.

by Anonymousreply 337May 6, 2023 8:14 PM

R298, hey dumbass, he is NOT a murderer. It is NOT A MURDER because there is NO INTENT. also you ever heard of "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY"? HE HASN'T EVEN BEEN CHARGED! ffs

by Anonymousreply 338May 6, 2023 10:15 PM

R338 Then let me keep you in a choke hold for 20 minutes until you expire, because, you know, I am feeling threatened by your demeanor .

by Anonymousreply 339May 6, 2023 10:22 PM

Marine is a hero . He needs a 🏅

by Anonymousreply 340May 6, 2023 10:22 PM

R339, it wasn't for 20 min. get your facts straight motherfucker

by Anonymousreply 341May 6, 2023 10:24 PM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 342May 6, 2023 11:36 PM

Hilarity ensues 😂

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by Anonymousreply 343May 6, 2023 11:38 PM

Try again

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by Anonymousreply 344May 6, 2023 11:39 PM

Interesting how little attention this murderer is getting from AOC and MSNBC

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by Anonymousreply 345May 6, 2023 11:43 PM

R345 and he killed 2 people, intentionally

by Anonymousreply 346May 6, 2023 11:49 PM

I would like to see the Venn diagram of those cheering on the marine and those who think Ashli Babbitt was a martyr.

by Anonymousreply 347May 6, 2023 11:55 PM

Jordan Neely tried to push straphanger onto subway tracks day before he died, Reddit user claims

The day before a homeless man went on a scary rant on the subway that ultimately resulted in his death, he nearly pushed someone to the tracks at the same station, according to a Reddit user who posted about the incident.

Jordan Neely was allegedly hanging around the Broadway-Lafayette station in Lower Manhattan Sunday night, the person wrote on Reddit.

“This man jumped on me, grabbed my shoulders, and pushed me towards the tracks Sunday night at this very station,” a Reddit user posted Wednesday.

They declined to discuss the terrifying incident further. “I was able to run away but he got physical and chased other people standing on the platform before getting on an uptown train.”

The next day, Neely appeared to be having a mental episode on an F train at the same subway stop just before 2:30 p.m., shouting at passengers that he was hungry and didn’t “care if I go to jail, and if they give me life in prison,” according to witnesses and police.

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by Anonymousreply 348May 6, 2023 11:55 PM

Does anyone think riots over this shit stain? Especially in NYC?!

by Anonymousreply 349May 7, 2023 12:10 AM

Well, if a Reddit user claims it, r348...

by Anonymousreply 350May 7, 2023 12:14 AM

There is video of Neely attacking commuters on a platform and body blocking a woman half his size, slamming her head into a sitting subway train. He was EXTREMELY dangerous. A criminal. But, after he was subdued this week, the asshole marine should not have continued the choke and killed him.

America is TOO FUCKED up to deal with both things being true. Especially the media. They will milk one slant, or the other. He was a saint who was killed. Or he was a criminal who got what he had coming to him.

by Anonymousreply 351May 7, 2023 12:34 AM

[quote]He was a saint who was killed

Which poster in this thread called him a saint, r351?

by Anonymousreply 352May 7, 2023 12:37 AM

People will lap up the distorted binary, because that is the way politics and the internet heavy media have trained average and dumber minds to "think", or rather process factoids.

Alternative Facts!!

SmellyAnne got that right. She's more important in the zeitgeist of the last 10 years than people realise.

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by Anonymousreply 353May 7, 2023 12:38 AM

R352 black media figures have.

by Anonymousreply 354May 7, 2023 12:38 AM

Link, r354?

by Anonymousreply 355May 7, 2023 12:40 AM
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by Anonymousreply 356May 7, 2023 12:41 AM

Too fucking many Travis Bickle fanbois out there.

by Anonymousreply 357May 7, 2023 12:41 AM

Protesters rush the 63rd/Lexington subway station Saturday afternoon, jump onto the tracks.

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by Anonymousreply 358May 7, 2023 12:47 AM

Ugh 😑 how frustrating and detrimental to their cause .

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by Anonymousreply 359May 7, 2023 12:56 AM

Daniel Penny looks a lot like a guy I used to hook up with in college. BIG dick and he loved getting rimmed.

by Anonymousreply 360May 7, 2023 12:57 AM

I posted above about the video of Neeley body slamming a woman but it has been debunked.

by Anonymousreply 361May 7, 2023 1:03 AM

R352 I, myself, mentioned Joy Reid, Al Sharpton, and another black man they kept referring to as 'My brutha' were canonizing him on 'The Reid Out' the other night. I had to change the channel after a minute. I couldn't stomach it. Another DLr said he saw the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 362May 7, 2023 1:03 AM

None of those people have ever ridden the NYC subway.

by Anonymousreply 363May 7, 2023 1:08 AM

Sharpton did great damage to Steven Pagones and he destroyed Tawana Brawley's life, forever. He emerged relatively undamaged, and is not respected. Paid his fines by grifting based on his faith based ministries and social service fraudulent agencies. Brawley will never be able to pay, and Al certainly hasn't paid for her.

by Anonymousreply 364May 7, 2023 1:09 AM

typo and is NOW respected

by Anonymousreply 365May 7, 2023 1:11 AM

Doesn't Sharpton live on the UES now? I remember reading about him renting on 60s n 3rd ave

by Anonymousreply 366May 7, 2023 1:12 AM

R200, you are a creep.

by Anonymousreply 367May 7, 2023 1:14 AM

[quote] Daniel Penny looks a lot like a guy I used to hook up with in college. BIG dick and he loved getting rimmed.

So useful to know!

Thanks for sharing!

by Anonymousreply 368May 7, 2023 1:15 AM

He was wonderful r368

by Anonymousreply 369May 7, 2023 1:20 AM

In what way were they canonizing him, r362?

by Anonymousreply 370May 7, 2023 1:31 AM

Watch the video you annoying cunt troll

by Anonymousreply 371May 7, 2023 1:33 AM

Any escalations?

by Anonymousreply 372May 7, 2023 1:46 AM

Black people referring to a black homicide victim as "my brother" is canonization?

Some of you should be heavily medicated.

by Anonymousreply 373May 7, 2023 1:51 AM

Duh Blasio's wife successfully embezzled $850 million earmarked for the mentally ill but at least he banished plastic bags.

by Anonymousreply 374May 7, 2023 3:33 AM

You should send back whatever diplomas you have, R373, if you consider the Rev Al Sharpton has an ounce of moral integrity to say anything about anyone.

by Anonymousreply 375May 7, 2023 3:51 AM

Police officer injured by BLM protestors.

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by Anonymousreply 376May 7, 2023 4:17 AM

Posters going on about how HAWT and big-ducked this thug is, but sure, Neely is the one being canonized.

You’re really gonna enjoy those nips and dick while he slowly chokes the life out of you.

by Anonymousreply 377May 7, 2023 7:58 AM

[quote] while he slowly chokes the life out of you.

As deranged as some posters might come across, I still don't see them endangering carloads of innocent subway riders Saint Neely fashion.

by Anonymousreply 378May 7, 2023 8:12 AM

Do these protests ever achieve anything positive?

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by Anonymousreply 379May 7, 2023 1:25 PM

[quote]In what way were they canonizing him, [R362]?

The Joy Reid / Al Sharpton clip is posted at R356.

"He was just a street performer." "Definitely, clearly not a threat to anyone."

by Anonymousreply 380May 7, 2023 3:14 PM

He didn’t deserve to die, though. As mentioned, the mental health system is at least partially responsible for this. Why wasn’t he put away after the shoving incident, or any of the other times he was behaving in a threatening manner? Where were the police during those incidents?

by Anonymousreply 381May 7, 2023 3:52 PM

Don't be such an ignorant simpering troll, R381.

"I wonder why everybody failed to help this man?"

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by Anonymousreply 382May 7, 2023 3:55 PM

I’d rather be a simpering troll than someone who looks like something brown and smelly on a piece of toilet paper r382.

You can thank me later, cunt.

by Anonymousreply 383May 7, 2023 3:57 PM

[quote]Why wasn’t he put away after the shoving incident, or any of the other times he was behaving in a threatening manner?

Because you can't just "put away" people anymore.

That is the problem. Psychotic people have to consent, or their families have to jump through hoops upon hoops to get them committed.

It's also a problem with the shelter system. People ask, "Why doesn't NYC put these people up in shelters?" Many of them REFUSE to be in shelters. They decline to take advantage of the programs there to pull oneself up. There's plenty of space. They just would rather live on the street.

I know this because my boyfriend worked at Coalition for the Homeless. He quit, junking his whole master's degree, because it was so dispiriting.

by Anonymousreply 384May 7, 2023 4:07 PM

R384 knows that information but asks his pollyanna faux naive question anyway.

by Anonymousreply 385May 7, 2023 4:20 PM

[R384], I mean to say, r383 and R381 - knows that information yet asks his pollyanna faux naive question anyway.

by Anonymousreply 386May 7, 2023 4:21 PM

[quote] It's also a problem with the shelter system. People ask, "Why doesn't NYC put these people up in shelters?" Many of them REFUSE to be in shelters. They decline to take advantage of the programs there to pull oneself up. There's plenty of space. They just would rather live on the street.

What is fascinating (for lack of a better word) about this how it is exactly the opposite side of the same coin as the people who wouldn't wear a mask exactly three years ago during once-in-a-generation plague..

Human nature and the insistence on autonomy drive people to reject that which is patently in their best interest.

And as an aside, I used to work near the VA hospital in Los Angeles and that area had a homeless problem 20 years ago. Certainly people have done studies and/or dissertations on the inverse relationship between telling people they are noble and strong and then those people rejecting even basic aid.

by Anonymousreply 387May 7, 2023 4:21 PM

[quote]You’re really gonna enjoy those nips and dick while he slowly chokes the life out of you.

WOOF!

by Anonymousreply 388May 7, 2023 4:34 PM

[quote] We know that marines are trained to kill and are desensitized to killing. They only know one way to neutralize a threat. So when this guy placed Neely in a chokehold what was his intent, to subdue or to kill? This was deemed a homicide so I don't understand why the marine was not arrested.

By your logic, any physical act a marine would ever take would be with an intent to kill. You would be laughed out of court with that kind of shallow specious reasoning.

by Anonymousreply 389May 7, 2023 4:37 PM

As a civilian I work with marines every day. Most of them are kinda weird. The Marine Corp does attract people who just want to be told what to think. Air Force members call and they are so focused with great critical thinking skills, marines tend to be mentally kind of slow and disorganized.

by Anonymousreply 390May 7, 2023 4:56 PM

[quote] The Marine Corp does attract people who just want to be told what to think.

They seem to need authoritarianism. You would think military would be the most "loyal" Americans. Yet evidence suggest many of them can't shower-shit-n-shave without being on a schedule.

[quote] Of more than 140 charged so far, a review of military records, social media accounts, court documents and news reports indicate at least 27 of those charged, or nearly 20%, have served or are currently serving in the U.S. military. To put that number in perspective, only about 7% of all American adults are military veterans, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

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by Anonymousreply 391May 7, 2023 5:08 PM

Team Chewable Nipples Guy.

by Anonymousreply 392May 8, 2023 3:10 AM

Smart.

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by Anonymousreply 393May 8, 2023 6:45 AM

another

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by Anonymousreply 394May 8, 2023 6:54 AM

I guess this is fizzling out . If grand jury doesn’t indict , I fear riots

by Anonymousreply 395May 8, 2023 7:02 AM

there is no space in the shelter system anymore. haven't you heard? the asylum seekers coming by the busloads have taken over. They get first dips on everything while the homeless have to wait around for everything.

by Anonymousreply 396May 8, 2023 8:08 AM

What is the dipping sauce, R396?

by Anonymousreply 397May 8, 2023 9:15 AM

In my nabe, the homeless have responded to this by becoming more confrontational than usual. Yesterday, one particularly obnoxious creep to me to get off my own block. This is going to end in tears. Really looking forward to summer.

by Anonymousreply 398May 8, 2023 3:22 PM

[quote] I know lots of people are saying this, but: the starving of social services, the militarization of police, the flooding of streets with guns ... fear, anxiety, & anger are not accidental side effects of these policies, they are the *point*. Reactionaries win in this atmosphere.

[quote] I really think the reaction to Jordan Neely's murder is a canary in the coal mine. Even purported liberals feel this rising, tugging undercurrent of anxiety & fear & uncertainty. Imposing violence on weaker groups has *always* been a way of trying to ease that feeling.

[quote] Reactionaries, of course, just embrace that spirit of retaliatory, cleansing violence. [bold] But you see liberal elites working their way around to the same place, with a lot more hand-waving & equivocation. [/bold] It's a bad, bad sign of where we're headed.

[quote] It would be nice if the groups who bore the brunt of these shitty policies turned their anger on the rich & powerful people who created the mess. But evolution has not wired us that way, sadly. We turn on the weaker, again & again, trying to purge fear through violence.

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by Anonymousreply 399May 8, 2023 3:28 PM

Who was responsible for getting this man committed to an institution?

by Anonymousreply 400May 8, 2023 3:39 PM

R400 His Auntie Carolyn. The one who started his GFM page. She had time to do that, but apparently had no time to get him help.

by Anonymousreply 401May 8, 2023 5:11 PM

[quote]But what is most disturbing has been the reaction to Neely’s death. What people are essentially saying is “this man’s life was worthless” and, as a result of his criminal record, “he had it coming.” If this was murder, and I strongly suspect it to be, Neely’s past actions and character are immaterial. Penny could not have known of them. Murder is murder. The person does not have to be nice or good or socially useful for it to be murder. The state charges people with murder even when they are not loved, forgotten, dangerous, or hated. The only reason to parade Neely’s past in public is justify, excuse, of even celebrate his killing. And plenty of people seem to want to do just that.

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by Anonymousreply 402May 8, 2023 6:44 PM

It has been deleted, R125, what did it say?

by Anonymousreply 403May 8, 2023 11:24 PM

Grand jury set to was listen to arguments this week. I think there will Be riots if GJ refuses to indict . If riots ensue , this will set race relations and the democrats way behind

by Anonymousreply 404May 8, 2023 11:54 PM

He was informed in his marine training that a sustained choke hold would kill.

by Anonymousreply 405May 9, 2023 12:21 AM

I don't think there will be riots.

People of all races are equally terrified by potentially dangerous, emotionally disturbed homeless people.

by Anonymousreply 406May 9, 2023 12:27 AM

[quote]He was informed in his marine training that a sustained choke hold would kill.

Something one hopes a smart prosecutor would pursue.

by Anonymousreply 407May 9, 2023 12:58 AM

R406, is a troll or incompetent

by Anonymousreply 408May 9, 2023 1:20 AM

[quote]If riots ensue , this will set race relations and the democrats way behind

You sound rather trollish, r408.

by Anonymousreply 409May 9, 2023 1:55 AM

[quote] The Marine Corp does attract people who just want to be told what to think.

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by Anonymousreply 410May 9, 2023 2:06 AM

How long do most grand juries take to decide ? Will this happen by end of week ?

by Anonymousreply 411May 9, 2023 2:15 AM

The media cut out the part where a black guy was involved holding him down and then saying he would be alright. Typical.

by Anonymousreply 412May 9, 2023 2:20 AM

[quote] I don't think there will be riots.

BLM is already in the street with bullhorns saying that they’re going to burn the city down over this.

by Anonymousreply 413May 9, 2023 2:21 AM

[Quote] I don't think there will be riots.

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by Anonymousreply 414May 9, 2023 2:23 AM

[quote]I've been here about 20 years. And yet I still am flabbergasted when people focus on the looks of the a person who took the life of another person.

You must have missed all the threads about me.

by Anonymousreply 415May 9, 2023 2:25 AM

R407 That would have been my primary concern if I had someone in a choke hold. How long before I end up killing him. It's not a tickle hold; it's called a choke hold for good reason.

by Anonymousreply 416May 9, 2023 2:30 AM

People who want to riot will use any excuse to riot.

by Anonymousreply 417May 9, 2023 2:32 AM

R417 You're telling me!

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by Anonymousreply 418May 9, 2023 2:37 AM

Oh is BLM still a thing? I thought they took their giant pot of grift, bought a ton of houses and went home.

by Anonymousreply 419May 9, 2023 2:39 AM

[quote] BLM is already in the street with bullhorns saying that they’re going to burn the city down over this.

Luxury property prices have fallen. There are good bargains to be had. Gives us money.

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by Anonymousreply 420May 9, 2023 2:42 AM

Bottom line: the world is a better place without Jordan Neely.

by Anonymousreply 421May 9, 2023 3:19 AM

Sadly true , r421

by Anonymousreply 422May 9, 2023 3:29 AM

Those who killed him are the people that have allowed our society to deteriorate to the point that this happened. They have already done this to our children who are now getting shot stealing cars and beating up people.

If any of these people rioting want to know who they can point fingers at, then they need to look in the mirror.

by Anonymousreply 423May 9, 2023 3:33 AM

Damn shame your mother didn't abort you, R421.

by Anonymousreply 424May 9, 2023 4:06 AM

[quote] You must have missed all the threads about me.

...and me.

by Anonymousreply 425May 9, 2023 4:20 AM

The world will be a better place when r421 dies in a grease fire.

by Anonymousreply 426May 9, 2023 4:23 AM

He was a schizophrenic. Any of you ever had to deal with a psychotic? And if usually they're not violent, they sure as hell can be and are always potentially dangerous when they're off their meds - and this guy obviously was. It's not for nothing that his family -who were so anxious to hire an ambulance chaser and set up a GoFundMe for themselves, certainly didn't offer him housing or care for him.

When state hospitals were closed down by a poisonous collaboration between Reagan and the ACLU, they claimed the chronically - and incurable - mentally ill would be 'cared for in the community'. Bullshit. So they ended up homeless or in jail. State hospitals provided a sanctuary for hopeless people. Was there abuse? Yeah, to some degree. But nothing like the abuse in the streets or in jail.

by Anonymousreply 427May 9, 2023 4:36 AM

I hope marine gets off

by Anonymousreply 428May 9, 2023 4:47 AM

My dad was a psychiatrist and worked in a state hospital. One day he was chatting to a patient, a very old, very tiny little old lady - a schizophrenic. A colleague came up to him and he started to speak to the colleague which evidently pissed off the little old lady. She picked up an extremely heavy mahogany chair and managed to bang my dad (who was 6'1") over the head with it. Knocked him unconscious, gave him a concussion and he was in the hospital for 2 weeks.

Never underestimate a schizophrenic.

by Anonymousreply 429May 9, 2023 5:14 AM

Get off from what?

Municipal punishment? Guilt? Condemnation?

Because the real bottom line is that no other random person has the right to be judge and jury on a Tuesday afternoon on the floor of a subway car and NOBODY deserves to die that way. NOBODY

I would urge anyone who thinks otherwise to spend some time in quiet contemplation (or prayer, if you prefer) as to how a civil society (let alone the richest one in all of human history) is to function without respect for each other's humanity.

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by Anonymousreply 430May 9, 2023 5:18 AM

R430 thank you, Chasten, for your irrelevant plug for Pete.

by Anonymousreply 431May 9, 2023 5:24 AM

R430, he was acting to protect others from harm.

I suggest you take some time and reflect on why you find that concept so foreign. Some people are willing to place themselves at risk to help others. Some people just tsk tsk it and cower.

by Anonymousreply 432May 9, 2023 5:30 AM

I simply do not believe that all human life has value. That belief is a religious belief. His life did not have any value, to him or anyone else. He brought zero to society. In fact, he brought a negative value to society. The world is better off without him in it. Truth sucks but it's still the truth.

And, for those of you who will inevitably berate me as a monster who should just die because I don't have any value either, go ahead and list all the things that gave him any value in this world. I dare you to start with his loving family who left him alone on the street to gift his insanity upon the rest of society right up until they could make money off their "loss".

by Anonymousreply 433May 9, 2023 5:30 AM

The guy shouldn't have choked him. But I assume the guy didn't realize how much harm he was doing. As for the schizophrenic, he would have continued to be out on the street. Somebody posted on twitter a film clip of Neeley insulting and attacking some gay men, hurling homophobic insults and trying to punch a guy out. Another clip is of Neeley shitting in the street and then standing up and walking away with his tiny dick hanging out.

He was a disaster and hopeless. Stop pretending he was Peter Pan.

by Anonymousreply 434May 9, 2023 5:33 AM

[quote} His life did not have any value,

Who are you to determine that?

Seriously.

Who are you to determine that?

by Anonymousreply 435May 9, 2023 5:39 AM

R435, go ahead and list everything valuable about him and his life. Do it without spouting religious based "every human is valuable" bullshit.

You can't do it.

by Anonymousreply 436May 9, 2023 5:40 AM

Mother Theresa @ R435

by Anonymousreply 437May 9, 2023 5:43 AM

[quote] I suggest you take some time and reflect on why you find that concept so foreign. Some people are willing to place themselves at risk to help others. Some people just tsk tsk it and cower.

I have.

Reports vary and most of the one I've seen said he was belligerent and agitated but not accosting anyone.

I was on Metro North two days ago and the girl next to me was watching tic tok videos at full volume and it annoyed the fuck out of me but I never believed I had the right to end her life for it.

[quote] go ahead and list everything valuable about him and his life.

I can't. But neither can I list anything valuable about your life.

A few weeks ago a young man was shot for ringing the wrong doorbell and later everyone learned that he was an honor student and musician and a good kid...so people attacked him and slandered him for having the audacity to make a mistake.

And so I make the simple argument that we should all just calm the fuck down and try to be nicer to each other. Why is that such a controversial position to take?

by Anonymousreply 438May 9, 2023 5:48 AM

[quote]I was on Metro North two days ago and the girl next to me was watching tic tok videos at full volume and it annoyed the fuck out of me but I never believed I had the right to end her life for it.

FFS that's the same as a man yelling and threatening to kill people.

by Anonymousreply 439May 9, 2023 5:57 AM

R438, you're response is complete shit. We're not buying it.

[quote]A few weeks ago a young man was shot for ringing the wrong doorbell and later everyone learned that he was an honor student and musician and a good kid...so people attacked him and slandered him for having the audacity to make a mistake.

This never happened. No one attacked him or slandered him.

[quote]And so I make the simple argument that we should all just calm the fuck down and try to be nicer to each other. Why is that such a controversial position to take?

Oh, sainted one, how is it that only you, and you alone, have ever thought such a thing?? Are you insane? I mean it. Do you even hear yourself?

[quote]I can't. But neither can I list anything valuable about your life.

And, I have value to society because I have a job helping other people. I have a family that cares about me and that I care about. I have never been arrested even once, let alone 40 times. I do not have a complete detachment from reality that causes me to strike out at everyone around me whenever I feel like it. We know enough about him at this point for you to be able to point out at least one or two things of value he brought to the world. Even his family couldn't do it but I'm sure your sainted ass will be able to do it. Go ahead.

The fact that you've equated his threatening and erratic behavior to a girl watching loud tiktok videos really tells us everything, though.

by Anonymousreply 440May 9, 2023 5:58 AM

*your

by Anonymousreply 441May 9, 2023 6:00 AM

He certainly had a shitty, shitty life. Poor guy.

by Anonymousreply 442May 9, 2023 6:06 AM

Marines are trained to kill. The crazy guy was being crazy everyone was fulfilling their role. I don't like that we live in a culture in which trained killers get to run around and kill with impunity. Crazy people don't get to run with impunity. He was likely scaring people but to choke him to death because he scared people and was being nutty doesn't sound just. There is percentage of blame on both sides but the crazy dood didn't deserve to be killed. Come on we are not animals are we. Have some humanity people.

by Anonymousreply 443May 9, 2023 6:18 AM

No sane jury would dare convict such a beautiful big nippled Apollo.

by Anonymousreply 444May 9, 2023 6:41 AM

How many armed security officers are now assigned to lesser cabinet secretaries.

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by Anonymousreply 445May 9, 2023 7:03 AM

I thought humanity could not shock me anymore, but I am honestly stunned how many people here think that the homeless and schizophrenic deserve to be exterminated.

by Anonymousreply 446May 9, 2023 7:10 AM

Oh do shut up, R446. This happened because he posed a threat to people. And you know that perfectly well. Un less you're stupid.

by Anonymousreply 447May 9, 2023 7:24 AM

Since when is "posing a threat" a capital offense, R447? Even murderers are entitled to a trial. We don't do summary executions on the street (except for cops, of course)

by Anonymousreply 448May 9, 2023 8:00 AM

R446, what do you have to say about all the abusive, threatening, and violent behavior that has been released on video of him? You only know he might not have been a threat in hindsight. Oh how different the story would have been if he had beaten someone on that train or pushed someone onto the tracks after he got off like in the videos of him. Do you have any comments about him concerning the forty fucking prior arrests he had?

And, still, no one has named one single thing that made him a valuable human except to say "he was human". That, like I said before, is religious garbage. It's the same religious garbage that make the anti-choice crowd believe a ball of cells has some inherent worth because "it is human", as if that is all it need be to give it value. The rats in New York actually serve more of a purpose. At least they eat the garbage while they infest every corner of civilization.

by Anonymousreply 449May 9, 2023 8:03 AM

R448, why was his life of any value?

by Anonymousreply 450May 9, 2023 8:04 AM

[quote]And, I have value to society because I have a job helping other people. I have a family that cares about me and that I care about. I have never been arrested even once, let alone 40 times. I do not have a complete detachment from reality that causes me to strike out at everyone around me whenever I feel like it

How lucky for you. How appalling that you have no empathy for anyone you consider a lesser. How nice for you that you managed to escape the inconvenience of a chemical imbalance in your brain. It's a random thing, you see; you're not all that special just because you don't suffer from any kind of mental or physical weakness.

‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’” (Matthew 25:40).

by Anonymousreply 451May 9, 2023 10:35 AM

This case looks like a situation of “suicide by cop”, except that Neely tried to provoke civilians to do the job instead a uniformed officer. Penny’s lawyers should consider that in their defense.

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by Anonymousreply 452May 9, 2023 11:32 AM

Imagine having to get close enough to a funky homeless nutjob to choke him. Imagine the stank. I hope he tossed his clothes in the trash before he was given his medal for civic duty.

by Anonymousreply 453May 9, 2023 11:47 AM

I doubt there will be riots if a grand jury fails to indict the marine of Murder, or if he does come to trial for involuntary manslaughter and a jury acquits him. The attempts by protestors to turn Neely into another George Floyd aren't catching on outside of the social media bubble the protestors exist in. And that's because too many NYC'er who ride the subways have experiences being caught in cars with very mentally ill homeless people. It was only a matter of time before there would be a Bernie Goetz situation in which someone decided to take matters into their own hands and deal with the mentally ill homeless person themselves. It's long overdue to bring back mental asylums/hospitals for people like Neely. It would help get such people off the streets and public transport and get them care they need. Also reopening such hospitals would provide jobs for others--someone has to clean and provide food and maintenance. Having such jobs would help working poor people and that could also help alleviate homelessness as such individuals in such a job insecure market would have income and could better afford to find and keep a place to live.

by Anonymousreply 454May 9, 2023 12:47 PM

Absolutely riots will happen if no indictment

by Anonymousreply 455May 9, 2023 3:32 PM

"The attempts by protestors to turn Neely into another George Floyd aren't catching on outside of the social media bubble the protestors exist in. And that's because too many NYC'er who ride the subways have experiences being caught in cars with very mentally ill homeless people": = This. And when someone like Neeley starts screaming in a closed subway car, it's now reasonable to think he might well have a gun. Thats the mindset that got the marine to act. In retrospect he should have sat on him or just pinned him down.

by Anonymousreply 456May 9, 2023 3:40 PM

Yeah, in retrospect, Neely wouldn't be dead.

by Anonymousreply 457May 9, 2023 3:54 PM

Oh, gawd.

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by Anonymousreply 458May 9, 2023 4:11 PM

BREAKING: Protests in New York City Continue. BLM protestors threaten to "tear the city down" if action isn't taken in regards to the death of Jordan Neely.

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by Anonymousreply 459May 9, 2023 4:14 PM

I wasn't there and can't judge how much of a threat Neely was at that moment. I don't think the marine intended to murder Neely but he obviously restrained him for too long.

The situation reinforces the decision I made after reading about what happened in the Florida Walmart (where the guy shot the good samaritan who interfered in a domestic dispute) which is to mind my own business at all times and keep my head down even if someone is being assaulted or threatened. If I were the marine, I would have ignored Neely, even if he exhibited threatening behavior, and went on my merry way. If Neely went on to assault someone else after me ignoring him, that would not be my problem either.

by Anonymousreply 460May 9, 2023 4:44 PM

Absolutely no riots will happen unless you mean riots by "activists." So a few hundred people max. That being said, if you restrain someone you are not supposed to kill them. There are charges for that well short of murder.

by Anonymousreply 461May 9, 2023 4:49 PM

I live in NYC. There's nothing left to tear down.

by Anonymousreply 462May 9, 2023 4:55 PM

How about people aside from law enforcement stop restraining others, R461? That would work.

by Anonymousreply 463May 9, 2023 4:56 PM

[quote] It was only a matter of time before there would be a Bernie Goetz situation in which someone decided to take matters into their own hands

I understand what you are trying to say but it's unfair to compare this to Bernie. The Marine wasn't on the train looking for trouble. This is more akin to the airline passengers who unexpectedly must pitch in to subdue a crazy passenger for the safety of all.

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by Anonymousreply 464May 9, 2023 5:32 PM

Alvin Bragg just keeps losing more credibility as time goes on. Arrest the marine and charge him with manslaughter . Fuck Eric Adams.

by Anonymousreply 465May 9, 2023 5:52 PM

Everything is in the details. Let the DA decide based on the facts. Then a jury will decide.

by Anonymousreply 466May 9, 2023 5:59 PM

[quote] I simply do not believe that all human life has value. That belief is a religious belief. His life did not have any value, to him or anyone else. He brought zero to society. In fact, he brought a negative value to society. The world is better off without him in it. Truth sucks but it's still the truth.

Who is the arbiter? Is your opinion influenced by racial prejudice? By personal trauma? By elitism? By convenience?

I mean, I agree that not all human life has value. Trump has brought less than zero to society. I wish some of these right-wing mass shooters had been killed as babies. However, I also know that if it were strictly my choice I'd be killing people everyday. It can't be your decision or mine or some random marine's.

by Anonymousreply 467May 9, 2023 7:06 PM

[quote] The Marine wasn't on the train looking for trouble.

Probably true but I don't think we should assume the marine was mentally balanced. He could have PTSD or some other psychological or neurological disorder that makes him a danger to other people. Most of us are not killers.

by Anonymousreply 468May 9, 2023 7:19 PM

The San Francisco City Council needs to book that screamer at R458 for tis next public hearing.

If anyone cannot see how this will hurt the Dems and help the GOP is living in a bubble. This is the kind of disorder that got Nixon elected in 1968. Maybe you had to be there but too many of us refused to acknowledge how most of the country viewed it.

by Anonymousreply 469May 9, 2023 8:02 PM

It's been fascinating to watch the Comments section in the NYT and other publications with very liberal readers.

The comments are overwhelmingly in favor of the marine and wondering why progressive politicians seem to put the rights and needs of mentally ill people who refuse to take their meds over the rights and needs of everyone else.

Pushing for a reform of our current system and when someone can be forcibly put into treatment would seem to be a great issue for the AOCs of the world.

by Anonymousreply 470May 9, 2023 8:11 PM

R451 and R467, you seem to not be able to come up with the one simple thing I asked for - why did he have value?

Like I suggested, you can't do it without bringing religious bullshit into it. Neely was of negative value to society. He literally brought less than NOTHING to the world. Not one person gave a shit about him until they could use him for their own cause. He was a danger to others. He was put down like a rabid dog because he was a danger to others forty times over (and those were just the official arrests). The world is better off without him.

by Anonymousreply 471May 9, 2023 8:44 PM

Having worked most of my career with severely, chronically mentally ill people who lead miserable lives and make the lives of their entourages living hell, I can no longer find it in myself to pretend their lives have value. Unlike people with learning disabilities who are mistreated and scorned by society while being harmless and in need of the help being squandered on a bunch of schizophrenics.

by Anonymousreply 472May 9, 2023 8:57 PM

R471, you're being ridiculous. As far as I know, YOU bring less than nothing to the world. I still think it would be wrong for a random stranger to kill you with impunity.

by Anonymousreply 473May 9, 2023 8:57 PM

Apparently he had some value for society as an entertainer, but it looks like he did have a negative net value considering his life of crime.

by Anonymousreply 474May 9, 2023 9:22 PM

𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐨𝐫 𝐀𝐝𝐚𝐦𝐬 𝐛𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐫𝐚𝐳𝐲 𝐠𝐮𝐲'𝐬 𝐟𝐮𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐥

Jordan Neely’s uncle slammed Mayor Eric Adams on Tuesday, saying Hizzoner isn’t welcome at his nephew’s funeral and that he doesn’t know “any mayor who parties and bulls–ts like Adams.”

The comments — made by Christopher Neely, brother of Jordan’s deceased mother — came after Adams claimed that he reached out to the Neely family following the 30-year-old man’s death on May 1 in a subway altercation that has sparked outrage across the city.

“I’ve reached out to them several times to give them my condolences,” Adams told a reporter from The City at a public appearance Monday evening at Russo’s on the Bay in Howard Beach.

But Christopher vehemently denied that the mayor reached out, and told The Post that neither he nor Jordan’s father or grandparents had spoken to Adams.

Even if he did call, Christopher said the conversation would be short.

“I don’t have anything to say to Mayor Adams — I don’t know any mayor who parties and bull—-ts like Adams,” he said. “Nobody Black that’s in the neighborhood really believes in him. It’s more him partying at night and coming home at 4 or 5 a.m.”

The family issued a statement via their attorneys Monday urging the mayor to call them.

“The family wants you to know that Jordan matters,” they said. “You seem to think others are more important than him.”

Adams has previously expressed he didn’t want to rush to judgement in the case, saying he had faith in the criminal justice system and urging people to allow the investigation into Jordan’s death to run its course.

“The mayor determined early on that these people weren’t guilty,” Christopher said Tuesday, referencing Penny, 24, and other straphangers who held Neely down on the train.

“The Mayor can’t determine guilt himself, but he could still have a heart and say what was done wasn’t right and the city can’t condone vigilantism,” he said.

“There’s talk about Mayor Adams coming to the funeral, but he’s not wanted,” Christopher added.

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by Anonymousreply 475May 10, 2023 12:31 AM

Freddie DeBoer, who himself suffers from severe bipolar disorder:

"There is nothing that the aspirational class will not use as fodder for competition. And since Neely’s murder there’s been a great competition online, among a certain species of liberals and leftists, to be the most unconcerned with instability in public places, to be the loudest voice saying that you could never be afraid of a mentally ill person, on the train or in the park or on the street. Well: congratulations. Congratulations to you. In my life, I have been scared of mentally ill people. Many times. Maybe my context has been a little different from that of the average Twitter user. But like I said: congratulations. I wonder if it ever crossed your minds that your compassion for them means that much more if you sometimes have been frightened of them."

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by Anonymousreply 476May 10, 2023 12:35 AM

I agree with DeBoer 100% R476

There is such a disconnect in our progressive friends, like they don't seem to get that even if we gave Neely a penthouse on Central Park West, if he didn't take his meds he was going ot wind up homeless again and violent.

There are many many many cases of people with excellent support systems from affluent families who refused to take their meds at some point and turned violent.

by Anonymousreply 477May 10, 2023 12:57 AM

My schizophrenic sister who spent her life being alternatively homeless, living in her car, invading people's houses and getting sent to prison for stalking ex-boyfriends and threatening people, once called my other sister the social worker, to tell her: "I'm living in a cheap motel and I've got a gun." My do-gooder sister tried to 'talk her down': "you shouldn't have a gun. You might get depressed and harm yourself."

My schizophrenic sister: "I'm not suicidal. I'm homicidal!" She's dead now, we don't think she ever murdered anybody, but we sure kept our distance from her.

by Anonymousreply 478May 10, 2023 12:59 AM

Unless they are institutionalized, schizophrenics are NEVER compliant with their medication. In their defense, the meds make them feel like they're wrapped in cotton wool and slow down their thinking processes. They look like zombies. The meds also inevitably give them tardive dyskinesia. My homicidal sister mentioned above, died allegedly from ALS but I bet it was tardive dyskinesia. Either way, everybody in the family breathed a sigh of relief when she shuffled off that mortal coil.

I'm sure Neeley's family feels the same.

by Anonymousreply 479May 10, 2023 1:04 AM

Why would Eric Adams go to this guy's funeral?

by Anonymousreply 480May 10, 2023 1:36 AM

That family was nowhere to be found at any point in this guy's life, and did absolutely nothing to help him while he was out living on the streets and terrorizing the subways. But now they're grifting for as much money as they can get. Just shows you what kind of total garbage people they are.

by Anonymousreply 481May 10, 2023 1:39 AM

[quote] why did he have value?

He could moonwalk? Thant's all I got.

by Anonymousreply 482May 10, 2023 1:49 AM

I'm sorry but I don't want a ranting and raving homeless man/woman injuring me, breaking my bones, possibly paralyzing me, or giving me some kind of injury that will harm me when I'm older, that will impact my life.

I'm sorry, I care more about myself than the homeless people. I have to.

by Anonymousreply 483May 10, 2023 2:06 AM

Based on these Hobbesian ground rules I now have a right to legally kill half the trolls on Datalounge.

Great job everybody.

by Anonymousreply 484May 10, 2023 2:23 AM

Do you have golden ringlets, glacier blue eyes, and lusciously large nipples R484?

by Anonymousreply 485May 10, 2023 2:25 AM

Unless something is done about all homeless psychotics, i.e. state hospitals are reopened to provide long-term residential care, they'll just die in prison or on the streets while the ACLU bullshits about freedom from institutionalization.

Enormous strides have been made in identifying the genes which cause schizophrenia. Logically, this would progress to prenatal testing to abort fetuses carrying schizophrenia. Now with abortion outlawed in this country, you can look forward to even more schizophrenics filling up the subway...

by Anonymousreply 486May 10, 2023 2:28 AM

R475 oh dear, Neely's Uncle is upset with Eric Adams. Why wasn't Neely living with and being fed by his adoring uncle?

by Anonymousreply 487May 10, 2023 2:30 AM

I've been told I have nice tits, R485. No ringlets, no military training, woefully incapable of killing people with my bare hands.

by Anonymousreply 488May 10, 2023 2:36 AM

[quote] Now with abortion outlawed in this country, you can look forward to even more schizophrenics filling up the subway...

I get your point, R486, but those aren't the women who get abortions. An abortion would be a rational decision in that case but that's their entire issue.

by Anonymousreply 489May 10, 2023 2:47 AM

Abortion is not outlawed in New York and likely never will be.

by Anonymousreply 490May 10, 2023 11:11 AM

But testing for schizophrenia in utero is years away.

by Anonymousreply 491May 10, 2023 8:00 PM

R475 Thanks for sharing that. It makes me wonder where Jordan's uncle, father, and grandparents were before May 1 ? How were they collectively helping him via social services, food, shelter, medical treatment, etc. ? Like his Auntie Carolyn, are they only surfacing now after his fatal encounter ? Where were they when he was arrested 42 times for assaulting others ? Where were they when they punched the 67 year old woman in the face ? Funny how a Go Fund Me page can unite a family.

by Anonymousreply 492May 10, 2023 8:46 PM

His family obviously had no contact with him. Can't really blame them as schizophrenics are 800 lb gorillas and they'll destroy your life. However, their hypocrisy in ambulance chasing and $$$ chasing is disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 493May 11, 2023 2:23 AM

Bring back Aktion T4, I say!

by Anonymousreply 494May 11, 2023 2:49 AM

Can we start by euthanizing you, R494?

Just give us an IP address, we'll handle the rest.

by Anonymousreply 495May 11, 2023 2:54 AM

I was there in Berkeley watching the Mental Health Liberation Front protest and riot and pressure/advise the government to change policy. These days I am states away in rent controlled housing that brings in some "unhoused; most cannot stabilize despite daily or weekly nurse/medication visits, free grocery delivery, monthly checks, and in some cases carers watching them in shifts. As soon as they can, they buy drugs, get drunk, harass neighbors etc. They drew the short straw to be mentally ill, but spreading misery and fear is corrosive. As with illegal immigration, our leaders have been kicking the cans down the road all this time, and I have next to zero hope the issues will be positively undertaken in my lifetime.

by Anonymousreply 496May 11, 2023 3:08 AM

Daniel Penny Will Be Charged in Subway Chokehold Killing of Jordan Neely

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by Anonymousreply 497May 11, 2023 10:16 PM

The DA just wants to check out Penny's nipples for himself. He just wants to unbutton his shirt and lick those nipples.

by Anonymousreply 498May 11, 2023 10:31 PM

Will Jordan be on the cover of Time?

by Anonymousreply 499May 11, 2023 10:35 PM

Jordan will be posthumously given the title 'Man of the Year'.

by Anonymousreply 500May 11, 2023 10:51 PM

[quote]Daniel Penny Will Be Charged in Subway Chokehold Killing of Jordan Neely

There is Zero Percent chance of a conviction.

by Anonymousreply 501May 11, 2023 11:53 PM

Will the prosecution do everything to make sure there are as few people on the jury who regularly ride mass transit?

by Anonymousreply 502May 12, 2023 1:02 AM

Heroic Marine will turn himself in. Woke NYC DA trying to throw the man to the mob.

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by Anonymousreply 503May 12, 2023 1:14 AM

This morning, some of the reporters on MSNBC were reporting about the arrest of the "marine who killed a street performance artist in a chokehold on the NY subway nearly two weeks ago".

They are now calling Neely a 'street performance artist' and not the criminal which he was ?

by Anonymousreply 504May 12, 2023 4:36 PM

How about "paranoid-schizophrenic-dangerously unhinged-street performer-who had 40 plus arrests"?

by Anonymousreply 505May 12, 2023 4:53 PM

Unbutton and unzip those jeans and open wide.

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by Anonymousreply 506May 12, 2023 5:43 PM

[quote]There is Zero Percent chance of a conviction.

It can be very difficult to predict jury behavior. Though, sadly, there does seem to be an uptick in political verdicts which is very troubling.

by Anonymousreply 507May 12, 2023 9:34 PM

I hope he walks free

by Anonymousreply 508May 12, 2023 10:11 PM

who is paying for his lawyer?

his suit for court?

by Anonymousreply 509May 12, 2023 10:11 PM

woman on train went back to thank him and is praying for him

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by Anonymousreply 510May 12, 2023 10:59 PM

MSNBC describing this psycho as a performance artist gave me the giggles.

by Anonymousreply 511May 12, 2023 11:06 PM

Without calling a grand jury, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg — otherwise so soft on crime as to be Play-Doh — has indicted Daniel Penny of second-degree manslaughter in the subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely, a charge that carries up to 15 years in prison.

Neely had more arrests than birthdays: 42 charges at 30 years old, so mentally ill that he was on New York City’s ‘Top 50’ list of homeless in dire need of help.

𝑵𝒆𝒆𝒍𝒚 𝒘𝒂𝒔 𝒂𝒓𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒕𝒆𝒅 𝒊𝒏 2015 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒆𝒎𝒑𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒐 𝒌𝒊𝒅𝒏𝒂𝒑 𝒂 7-𝒚𝒆𝒂𝒓-𝒐𝒍𝒅 𝒈𝒊𝒓𝒍 𝒂𝒇𝒕𝒆𝒓 𝒉𝒆 𝒘𝒂𝒔 ‘𝒔𝒆𝒆𝒏 𝒅𝒓𝒂𝒈𝒈𝒊𝒏𝒈 [𝒉𝒆𝒓] 𝒅𝒐𝒘𝒏 𝒂𝒏 𝑰𝒏𝒘𝒐𝒐𝒅 𝒔𝒕𝒓𝒆𝒆𝒕,’ the New York Daily News reported.

That’s a detail you won’t find in most media coverage.

Nor this: Neely had an active warrant out for his arrest, having skipped out on a court appearance in connection with his attack on a 67-year-old woman.

Here’s the truth according to ‘1619 Project’ author and New York Times reporter Nikole Hannah-Jones: Neely was killed, she tweeted, ‘for being mentally ill and yelling at people.’

Roxane Gay wrote a column for the Times with the headline ‘Making People Uncomfortable Can Now Get You Killed’.

Gay blamed ‘the people’ — multi-racial, as we know — ‘in that subway car [who] prioritized their own discomfort over Mr. Neely’s distress.’

Neely said, ‘I would kill a motherf***er. I don’t care. I’ll take a bullet. I’ll go to jail.’

But three other men were videotaped intervening as well — one holding Neely’s arms down, another helping as Neely tried to escape. Two of the men on video are white; the other appears to be black.

If Penny can be charged without calling a grand jury, why haven’t these men also been charged with a crime?

Why, too, don’t we have Neely’s toxicology report?

After Penny's indictment on Friday, Neely's family, through their attorneys, said that passengers should have asked Neely, ‘What's wrong? How can I help you?... No one said, “Here, sir: Let me meet your need”.’

Neely was arrested for randomly punching 67-year-old Anne Mitcheltree inside an East Village deli giving her a broken nose, a fractured eye socket and ‘substantial pain to the back of her head.’

The police ‘told me we have him, he’s in custody, we’re going to press charges,’ Micheltree told the New York Post. ‘I thought the judge would have forced him to take psychiatric meds, but it seems like he bounced out.’

by Anonymousreply 512May 13, 2023 12:26 AM

Given the fact Neely's family never bothered to ask Neely what he needed... Fucking hypocrites and their ambulance chaser. Where's Ben Crump? After failing to get rich off Ed Sheeran he needs a new gig.

by Anonymousreply 513May 13, 2023 12:57 AM

The contrast today between the stoic dignity of Daniel Penny and the professional manner of his lawyer and the screeching, race-baiting and ridiculous demands (murder 2? Really?) from the jackals who have gathered to feed on the corpse of poor, deranged Jordan Neely was striking.

Also, I didn't realize that Penny was a native, lifelong New Yorker. I assumed he was a visitor or some sort of ex-Marine hipster who had moved to the city after his USMC stint. What part of the city is he from?

by Anonymousreply 514May 13, 2023 1:01 AM

It's interesting that no charges have been filed against the other two men who restrained Neely. It's almost as if the DA was acknowledging that restraint was justified. I expect Penny's lawyer to make something of that. "My client was simply trying, in the heat of the moment, to subdue a violent man that even the prosecution tacitly acknowledges needed to be restrained."

by Anonymousreply 515May 13, 2023 1:06 AM

[quote]MSNBC describing this psycho as a performance artist gave me the giggles.

It's mostly the two usual race-baiting hucksters...Joy Reid and Al Sharpton.

by Anonymousreply 516May 13, 2023 1:24 AM

They should arrest Neely's family for dereliction of familial duty. Also, endangerment by leaving a weapon on the street to hurt anyone he wanted to whenever he felt like it. Fucking hypocrites, every one of them.

by Anonymousreply 517May 13, 2023 1:41 AM

[quote] Without calling a grand jury, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg — otherwise so soft on crime as to be Play-Doh — has indicted Daniel Penny of second-degree manslaughter

Un, only a Grand Jury can indict. See your friendly neighborhood Constitution. What they did was file an initial charge, but felonies must come from a Grand Jury voting out an indictment.

I cannot stand the ignorance and/or willful carelessness of the media. The NY Times could net even get it right. Its headline says Penny was "arraigned".

Penny was not arraigned. He was "presented" to the court on charges and he did not enter a plea. That is called a "presentment". They could have waited for the Grand Jury to act but they did this for show and for political reasons. The case must be presented to a GJ and if the GJ votes a bill of indictment then Penny will be arraigned and that is when you enter a plea (obviously at that point it is not guilty).

I guess they have covered their ass in case a GJ votes a No Bill. They can say they tried. But it's pretty easy to get an indictment since the prosecutor controls any evidence the GJ sees and they're not required to show exculpatory evidence (except for a very rare circumstances).

And Eric Adams has no business weighing in on the guilty of Mr. Penny which is exactly what he did in a press conference today. Fuck that shit. I hope Penny's lawyers talk and talk and then when they've evened the playing field as best they can, file for a gag order on the mayor and prosecutors.

by Anonymousreply 518May 13, 2023 3:13 AM

How is parading him in handcuffs through the media and in a court not considered influencing the eventual grand jury? Even legal people discussing this are saying it was done in a backwards manner.

by Anonymousreply 519May 13, 2023 3:29 AM

OMG now the governor is shooting her mouth off irresponsibly. She is a liar to boot. Claiming it was clear he wasn't going to hurt anyone. No. it was just the opposite. He uttered words of thereat to passengers placing them in fear for their imminent safety. Damn. These politicians are deliberately poisoning the jury pool. I hate them.

Nate the Lawyer explains it all very simply and clearly. I agree with his analysis. He made this video before the charges were filed. He correctly includes the other 2 riders who assisted in restraining Neely as aiders and abettors. Nate lives in Brooklyn and was a cop before he was a prosecutor and now defense attorney.

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by Anonymousreply 520May 13, 2023 4:21 AM

[quote]Un, only a Grand Jury can indict.

Specifically, in this case, in New York. In half the states charges can be brought without a grand jury.

by Anonymousreply 521May 13, 2023 4:51 AM

Eric Adams was outrageous at today's press conference. Listen to him.

They are intent on denying Penny a fair trial.

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by Anonymousreply 522May 13, 2023 4:53 AM

The scenes on the NYC local news today have just been insane, like something Paddy Chayevsky would have written in the 70s.

The family's lawyer speechifying with a picture of Neely in a cap and gown in the background.

The guy had 40 PRIOR ARRESTS for offenses that were escalating. One of his last: He punched a 67-year-old woman in the face. She told the media she thought he would be punished, but he skated.

Where was his devastated family then, when he was traumatizing people? They could have gotten multiple handouts from the city to care for him. Apparently, those weren't big enough for their tastes. But now they deserve millions for their pain!

by Anonymousreply 523May 13, 2023 4:58 AM

[quote] The scenes on the NYC local news today have just been insane, like something Paddy Chayevsky would have written in the 70s.

Instead of Paddy, Tom Wolfe is more on point.

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by Anonymousreply 524May 13, 2023 5:02 AM

[quote] Specifically, in this case, in New York. In half the states charges can be brought without a grand jury.

R521, all felonies must come from a grand jury. Back to Civics 101 for you. So specifically in this case, for the case to proceed it must go to the GJ for an indictment.

NY State cannot circumvent the US Constitution. Try as they might.

Damn, people. Get educated. Fifth Amendment. Right to a grand Jury.

by Anonymousreply 525May 13, 2023 5:07 AM

R512, Nikole Hannah Jones is what Tucker Carlson would be if he were a black woman on the left.

by Anonymousreply 526May 13, 2023 8:32 AM

[quote] all felonies must come from a grand jury.

In New York. 25 other states do not require a grand jury to bring charges for a felony.

by Anonymousreply 527May 13, 2023 11:09 AM

[quote] We’ll come to your thread if the other is deleted, mein Fuhrer. -- Related Datalounge Thread

And it was

by Anonymousreply 528May 13, 2023 12:10 PM

I think my nephew studied theatre at Yale with Neely and later at the Royal College of Art.

by Anonymousreply 529May 13, 2023 12:21 PM

[Quote] White people don’t think in terms of black vs white, and don’t think about race 24/7 the way blacks do.

You mean the way the media does

by Anonymousreply 530May 13, 2023 1:41 PM

I have a client who was physically attacked by a crazy guy on the bus. This crazy guy had been walking up and down the bus harassing them, threatening them. The bus driver did nothing to kick him off other than being sued.

Well, now, the county is being sued by the bus driver’s lack of action.

You CAN’T let obviously crazy people remain on common carriers, which legally have a heightened duty to passengers.

I think Jordan Neely’s family should really sue the subway,

by Anonymousreply 531May 13, 2023 3:50 PM

[quote]Without calling a grand jury, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg — otherwise so soft on crime as to be Play-Doh — has indicted Daniel Penny of second-degree manslaughter

[quote]And Eric Adams has no business weighing in on the guilty of Mr. Penny which is exactly what he did in a press conference today. Fuck that shit.

[quote]Eric Adams was outrageous at today's press conference. Listen to him. They are intent on denying Penny a fair trial.

[quote]OMG now the governor is shooting her mouth off irresponsibly. She is a liar to boot.

It's like all of these elected officials are on Joy Reid's payroll. All of them parroting her tired, race-based talking points. How does she possibly have so much influence?

by Anonymousreply 532May 13, 2023 4:48 PM

Neely only got four months in prison for trying to kidnap a seven-year-old girl? I'm surprised. I thought America was notorious for its long prison sentences.

by Anonymousreply 533May 13, 2023 4:58 PM

Imagine if no one intervened and Neely had actually killed someone on the subway. We wouldn't have even heard about it and Neely would be back on the streets in three years.

by Anonymousreply 534May 13, 2023 5:49 PM

Imagine if you choked on his dick

by Anonymousreply 535May 13, 2023 6:21 PM

At least heroic Marine can't be crushed by DA's limitless taxpayer piggy bank.

The crowdfund page for the ex-Marine accused of second-degree manslaughter in the death of Jordan Neely has surpassed $1million Daniel Penny's fundraiser was set up by his lawyers on the page Give Send Go, the page is synonymous with conservative causes such as the Freedom Convoy Penny is charged with second degree manslaughter in Neely's death, he could face up to 15 years in prison if convicted

The fund, set up by Daniel Penny's attorneys, says it will be used to pay for 24-year-old Long Island native's legal fees and for 'any future civil lawsuits that may arise, as well as expenses related to his defense.'

𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝒑𝒂𝒈𝒆 𝒉𝒊𝒕 𝒕𝒉𝒆 $1𝒎𝒊𝒍𝒍𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒎𝒂𝒓𝒌 𝒊𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒉𝒐𝒖𝒓𝒔 𝒂𝒇𝒕𝒆𝒓 𝑭𝒍𝒐𝒓𝒊𝒅𝒂 𝑮𝒐𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒏𝒐𝒓 𝑹𝒐𝒏 𝑫𝒆𝑺𝒂𝒏𝒕𝒊𝒔 𝒕𝒘𝒆𝒆𝒕𝒆𝒅 𝒂 𝒍𝒊𝒏𝒌 𝒕𝒐 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒑𝒂𝒈𝒆.

by Anonymousreply 536May 13, 2023 11:59 PM

The people most relieved by Neely's death are his family. He must have driven them crazy for years.

by Anonymousreply 537May 14, 2023 12:20 AM

R537, yep. Unless you have someone in your family or life like this you have no idea what a burden they are. There may still be some love remaining for that person but it's only natural to want them gone. Every time I see some person like this killed I know how relieved the family is that they're gone. A real mixture of guilt and relief for these families. Well, at least for the families that really cared about the person.

by Anonymousreply 538May 14, 2023 2:07 AM

[quote]I think Jordan Neely’s family should really sue the subway

I think New York and everyone on that subway should sue Neely's family. New York was not responsible for this disturbed piece of shit and New York is certainly not setting up a GoFundMe to profit off him.

by Anonymousreply 539May 14, 2023 2:36 AM

Who in 2023 doesn't love a homeless stinky raging mad schizophrenic talentless Michael Jackson impersonator with a 40 entry rap sheet? The complainers just want to live in their silken silos!

by Anonymousreply 540May 14, 2023 10:11 AM

Fundraiser for ex-Marine Daniel Penny nears $2M as attorneys say subway chokehold case ‘struck a chord’ with public

“The outpouring of support for Danny is always measured by the amount raised, but what is even more telling is that tens of thousands of people from all over the world have taken the time to donate,” Penny’s attorney, Steven M. Raiser, wrote in an email to The Post.

“This level of support demonstrates that the situation forced upon him in that subway car earlier this month, and his subsequent arrest, has struck a chord in the psyche of New Yorkers and has been echoed nationwide,” Raiser wrote.

“The message being sent by this massive showing of support is that any attempt to undermine the right and duty to protect one another against an imminent threat will be challenged.”

by Anonymousreply 541May 15, 2023 1:54 AM

With the psychiatric residential hospitals closed down, too many people in the public have had violent encounters with mentally ill homeless people. Would be nice if somebody did something about it. Like open back up the state hospitals.

by Anonymousreply 542May 15, 2023 1:57 AM

Imagine if no one intervened and he moved on to the next car.

Then we really would have never heard of these godawful people.

by Anonymousreply 543May 15, 2023 2:02 AM

They should hire Penny to clean up the city.

by Anonymousreply 544May 15, 2023 2:07 AM

It's a fucked up society when there are so many people who contribute funds to defend someone who unnecessarily killed a homeless person.

by Anonymousreply 545May 15, 2023 2:40 AM

R545, prove it was unnecessary.

You can't. Not guilty. The end.

by Anonymousreply 546May 15, 2023 2:58 AM

Also, R545, I've asked several times already in this thread and no one has answered. You must have the answer...

What value did Neely have in the world? And, don't pull that religious "all human life has value" crap. What made Neely worthy of living in this world and ruining it for other people every single day?

by Anonymousreply 547May 15, 2023 3:00 AM

Neely's family which couldn't be bothered to look after him, give him shelter, feed him, take him to the shrink are now looking to score Big Bucks off his death. It's the American Way!

by Anonymousreply 548May 15, 2023 3:02 AM

Neely was homeless, which was the primary reason why he was not getting the medical and mental assistance he needed. Dismissing him as someone who didn't serve a purpose negates his humanity and allows people to view him as expendable. He was trying to survive day to day, and should have at the very least should have had access to some level of shelter and/or care. As a native new Yorker I've been exposed to these people most of my life and I have never questioned whether any person has value.

by Anonymousreply 549May 15, 2023 3:13 AM

In 7th grade, I say a boy nearly choked to death. He was gasping, his eyes turned bloodshot, his face turned purple. It was not a short process; this went on for several minutes. When a teacher finally got there and broke it up, the kid was gasping for breath, near death. A haunting sound. The point is had this guy been released from the chokehold, he wouldn't have been a danger to anyone, he would have been stumbling around, flailing, clinging to life. He *wanted* to kill someone, I have a feeling we will find out this Marine was a racist. He wanted to kill a black guy and he did. Wait and see, I will be right.

by Anonymousreply 550May 15, 2023 3:13 AM

Exactly R550 the lack of oxygen to the brain has a subduing effect, and futhermore anyone trained in a chokehold would be well aware of that fact.

Since seeing the video, there's been not a single doubt in my mind that Penny intended to kill Neely.

by Anonymousreply 551May 15, 2023 3:39 AM

A 14 year old boy was shot dead on the subway platform on Saturday at 2pm.

Where is the outrage?

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by Anonymousreply 552May 15, 2023 4:32 AM

It's nice that there has been so much money raised for Penny's defense from people who don't want to see someone railroaded in an obviously politically based prosecution.

by Anonymousreply 553May 15, 2023 4:34 AM

Perp in traffic stop ambushes and shoots policeman three times. Police dashcam of uncensored incident.

youtube.com/watch?v=8sU_ydlLEQE

CHARLESTON COUNTY, S.C. (WCSC) - The Charleston County Sheriff’s Office released graphic dashcam footage Friday afternoon showing Sunday’s deputy-involved shooting in Ravenel.

The footage was recorded from Deputy Evan Cubbage’s patrol vehicle. Cubbage was hit three times during an exchange of gunfire that happened Sunday at 3:45 p.m. during a traffic stop in the 4900 block of Savannah Highway. After a brief interaction with two people in a car that was pulled over, Deputy Evan Cubbage called for backup, Sheriff Kristin Graziano said.

When a second officer, Deputy Alexander Hodge, arrived, the passenger of the vehicle opened fire, striking Cubbage three times, Graziano said.

Both deputies returned fire, killing the passenger.

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Unclear so far if he was a Michael Jackson impersonator.

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by Anonymousreply 554May 15, 2023 6:02 AM

R554, Touche! Hee hee

by Anonymousreply 555May 15, 2023 6:44 AM

Sunday Bloody Sunday

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by Anonymousreply 556May 15, 2023 2:29 PM

New Yorkers are known for being push but it's gotten out of hand

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by Anonymousreply 557May 15, 2023 2:38 PM

[quote]Neely was homeless, which was the primary reason why he was not getting the medical and mental assistance he needed. Dismissing him as someone who didn't serve a purpose negates his humanity and allows people to view him as expendable. He was trying to survive day to day, and should have at the very least should have had access to some level of shelter and/or care. As a native new Yorker I've been exposed to these people most of my life and I have never questioned whether any person has value.

Are you unaware that this person apparently had 40 previous arrests? Or did you purposely not mention that? Anyway, do you not think that's a significant fact?

IHMO, if someone like this doesn't get the mental assistance he so desperately needs, then he does not serve a purpose. Or, worse, the purpose he serves is to create trouble and terrorize decent people in the subway system.

by Anonymousreply 558May 15, 2023 3:14 PM

I think you're missing a step there R558, one of those arrests should have led to involuntary detention for assessment & treatment. I'm not following closely but assume he hasn't had psychiatric treatment anytime recently?

by Anonymousreply 559May 15, 2023 3:30 PM

Just to add some context; there are about 70,000 homeless people in New York City. The vast majority are not committing crimes of any type. A smaller, but not insignificant number, commit crimes of poverty like jumping turn styles, but nothing else. A very small percentage commit violent crimes. Neely wasn't violent because he was homeless. And he isn't dead because he was homeless.

by Anonymousreply 560May 15, 2023 4:10 PM

R559, you admit not following the news but say r558 missed a step?

It’s blatantly obvious the Neely supporters are missing a lot of important facts via willful ignorance.

by Anonymousreply 561May 15, 2023 4:35 PM

[quote]Neely wasn't violent because he was homeless. And he isn't dead because he was homeless.

Exactly. And P.S., in one comment I read on this horrific situation, there was a new word for the "homeless" that's presumably considered more P.C., more woke. And that new word -- wait for it, and I shit you not -- is "unhoused." As if there's any significant difference between the meanings carried by those two words.

by Anonymousreply 562May 15, 2023 6:04 PM

[quote] And that new word -- wait for it, and I shit you not -- is "unhoused."

Personally I prefer the term " unfloored".

by Anonymousreply 563May 16, 2023 1:17 AM

The fucking media is now describing Neely as a "street performer" instead of a "homeless schizophrenic". That oughta help.

by Anonymousreply 564May 16, 2023 2:56 AM

R542, we can’t “open them back up” because most have been demolished, and those that remain would collectively require billions of dollars in remediation to bring them up to modern safety codes for hospitals. That is, even if they weren’t falling down, filled with rotting floors, collapsing stairways, and dangerously outdated wiring. Most of the big psych hospitals have been abandoned and neglected for decades.

I think we need a lot more psych beds, but they’re going to have to be built anew Where will that happen? Who’ll pay for it, given that it would be one of the most extensive and expensive building programs in recent history? Most psych units today are designed for temporary stays. What you’re talking about is housing thousands of people more or less permanently. It would be a huge undertaking.

And that’s just the buildings. We don’t have anywhere near enough staff trained in psychiatric nursing or enough psychiatrists to staff these hospitals. When the old psych hospitals were open, nurses in particular made a lot less money (even taking inflation into account) than they do today. The payroll for a 500-bed psych hospital would be a pretty big expense that would just keep growing, year after year.

by Anonymousreply 565May 17, 2023 10:44 AM

R565 thing is - we couldn't even do it. The ACLU and civil libertarians worked hard to ensure people can't be committed or kept on the psych ward so that crazy people can enjoy their God-given freedom on the streets or in jail.

by Anonymousreply 566May 17, 2023 2:48 PM

R565, since so many of the people put in prisons are actually mental patients that are put there because there is nowhere else to put them, they should reconfigure prisons and jails into mental care facilities. They would be a mix of hybrid prison/hospital ones for the more criminally insane who need treatment but still need to be locked up and actual hospitals for those who, but for the untreated mental illness, wouldn't have been in prison to begin with.

by Anonymousreply 567May 17, 2023 9:32 PM

[quote][R565] thing is - we couldn't even do it. The ACLU and civil libertarians worked hard to ensure people can't be committed or kept on the psych ward so that crazy people can enjoy their God-given freedom on the streets or in jail.

Exactly.

[quote]Since so many of the people put in prisons are actually mental patients that are put there because there is nowhere else to put them, they should reconfigure prisons and jails into mental care facilities. They would be a mix of hybrid prison/hospital ones for the more criminally insane who need treatment but still need to be locked up and actual hospitals for those who, but for the untreated mental illness, wouldn't have been in prison to begin with.

That's a very interesting and worthy idea, though of course, far easier said than done.

by Anonymousreply 568May 20, 2023 4:36 AM

It is not the Coroners job to state what type of charge will be pursued. He does not know intent.

by Anonymousreply 569May 20, 2023 7:15 AM

[quote] they should reconfigure prisons and jails into mental care facilities.

Do you really think the system doesn't already do this? It does. Every state and the feds have prisons with mental health services. They also have special prisons for mental health purposes. On the east coast the feds have Butner where all our clients think they want to go because they think it will be easier. But federal prison is not a menu service.

by Anonymousreply 570May 20, 2023 8:43 AM

[quote] Every state and the feds have prisons with mental health services. They also have special prisons for mental health purposes.

And all this accomplishes is to keep them doped up or teach them how to manipulate gullible social workers

by Anonymousreply 571May 20, 2023 8:46 AM

R570, those are mental lockdown facilities not mental care facilities. And, they are subsets of prisons, not anything close to mental hospitals whose sole purpose is the care of the mentally ill outside the punishment model. I'm saying close a lot of the prisons, especially the for-profit ones, and retrofit them as hospitals and residential care facilities.

by Anonymousreply 572May 20, 2023 8:53 AM

They need to reopen long-term residential care hospitals - state hospitals - for the chronically and incurably mentally ill. But the ACLU working in tandem with Republicans who don't want to spend the money - will make sure people stay homeless or in prison.

by Anonymousreply 573May 20, 2023 5:41 PM

They have to build and staff them first, R573. That's a lot of money, so I wouldn't bet on it happening anytime soon.

by Anonymousreply 574May 21, 2023 9:59 AM

It's much easier to destroy a system than to establish one.

by Anonymousreply 575May 21, 2023 4:27 PM

R574 I grew up on the grounds of a state hospital. My father was a psychiatrist and back in those days, the doctors and families had to live on site. My mother had died so he was alone to raise us kids. He'd hire patients to do jobs, to give them some pocket money. Our piano teacher was an alcoholic jazz musician who could never get sober and would wind up back at the hospital. Our maid was a schizophrenic who used to annoy us as kids as she'd watch TV with us and yell out orders to the cowboys when she saw Indians hiding behind the rocks. She was illiterate but would painstakingly answer the phone whenever it rang and 'write' down messages. When my father would get home from the hospital, he would find her scribbled incomprehensible notes. He'd pocket them and then ask her if anybody called. She'd proclaim: doctor, I wrote it all down. He'd say Josephine, I can't find your notes. And she'd rail against those 'kids stole my notes AGAIN'.

The libretto of my childhood. State hospitals also served as a sanctuary for people who couldn't live independently. They were housed, fed, clothed, got therapy when they could assimilate it and still - most of them - had a measure of autonomy to wander around the vast grounds and go to stores. Their lives weren't any worse than the homeless today.

by Anonymousreply 576May 21, 2023 6:32 PM

R576, the part that the Repugs didn't like about that is that the people working there had to get paid. It's much cheaper to throw people out on the street and let them die in a gutter for free.

by Anonymousreply 577May 21, 2023 7:58 PM

R577 the ACLU was the Repugs' great ally in this. Now you can't have people like the subway rider committed for long-term psychiatric care. It's insane. Unless the entourage is willing to take care of them - and taking care of a schizophrenic who refuses to take their meds is like living with an 800 lb gorilla.

by Anonymousreply 578May 21, 2023 8:18 PM

R576, that's a good story. I'm sure you're right about the state hospitals, although some of them were also pretty awful places in terms of abuse and the overcrowded conditions patients lived in.

Anyway, I'll bet the state hospital where your father worked has been torn down, or is sitting abandoned and falling apart, or else has been completely gutted and turned into something else. That was my point at R574 - not that public mental hospitals weren't/aren't good things but that they simply don't exist anymore in most places. New ones would have to be built at great expense, and staff would have to hired, which is expensive even if we had enough psychiatrists and psychiatric nurses, which we don't.

People keep saying "re-open the state hospitals" as though they were sitting there frozen in time, in perfect shape, just waiting for someone to unlock the doors and as though qualified staff were begging for work. That's not how it is. Rebuilding even half the capacity we had in 1960 would be a big project - enormously expensive and time-consuming.

by Anonymousreply 579May 21, 2023 9:47 PM

R579 it would be a stalemate between the GOP's refusal to fund hospitals and the ACLU's refusal to recognize that there are chronically, severely mentally ill people who have no means of living independent lives. When the hospitals were closed down, the ACLU crowed about 'care in the community'. Never happened and when it did, severely mentally ill people would just wander away and disappear on the streets till the cops arrested them.

Pretending people like the subway rider are just poor people, down on their luck, not dangerous and just having a little 'mental health issue' have never dealt with a schizophrenic.

by Anonymousreply 580May 22, 2023 1:36 AM

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

by Anonymousreply 581May 22, 2023 4:27 AM
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