Over 18 million people unable to afford basic needs in Argentina

Circuit party in BA!

Terrible.

Maybe a stupid question, but when the US went through its inflationary crisis in the 70s and early 80s (or was it just the 70s), what happened in the long run? Did prices eventually go down, or did they just plateau and then eventually many people eventually made more money as to "catch up" with inflation?

In #France, 19% of 18-29 years olds have standard of living below the poverty line, Cleo is one of them, check out her story!

I love that Cleo has the stereotypical baguette hanging out of her backpack. Not that the French don't actually eat baguettes, but still, it comes across as somewhat stage-y.

The footage of orderly Argentinian protests is a stark contrast to the protests here and even in France.

Nearly 40 percent of Argentina's 46 million+ people. I had to look up it up for context. I thought Argentina had more people, and if there were, say 120 million people, it would still be bad, but not as bad.

How are property values in U.S. dollars?

R7 - you can buy 1BR in good areas for less than $150k.

Argentina was one of the richest countries in the world before the 1930's and 40's. There's lovely old architecture - although some need some facade work.

The number is higher in the US

Time to visit Argentina.

American

The number in the US is higher or the percentage, or both?

This isn’t new news. It’s been going on for MANY, MANY years, & other countries in S. America are experiencing the same, or far worse.

And, YES. We as the United States, cannot claim that we didn’t start the fire, because we most CERTAINLY did.

This is why I’m baffled by GOPers who constantly bitch about immigration from countries south of our border.

Umm, guess what? They’re flocking here by the hundreds of thousands in droves yearly, because we explicitly caused economic conditions in their countries, that are tied to long standing economic ramifications, that FORCE them to do so. You honestly believe people want to spend weeks to months making it into shithole TX? GTFOH. IF COURSE THEY DO. It’s ALL relative.

Almost ANYTHING is better than what they have, which is literally next to NOTHING.

The “War on Drugs” NEVER existed, however, the war on brown people did, & still does. And yes, I understand that most Argentinians were once, majority white, but skin color isn’t what this is about.

America will fuck anyone over, of any skin color, when just the “right” corrupt, American assholes are in power.

Also, as an aside, Argentinians are usually almost always GORGEOUS, & know how to party, well. 👍🏽

[quote]Argentina is tackling a severe economic crisis.

When is it not? It would be actual news if Argentina's economy was doing well. They have fucked themselves over severely and the worst part is there isn't much they can do about it anymore.

Their problems are my gain -- their mate tea is my favourite tea and I'm getting it dirt cheap thanks to the peso being so weak.

I don't know the history of Argentina. How did they fuck themselves over economically?

Off to Google.

The economy is cool, but the guys are hot!

There's also a critical housing crisis in Argentina because rents have skyrocketed; much of the housing that was previously affordable is now being used as Airbnb's.

What does the Airbnb posess?

The economist Simon Kuznets once famously said, "There are four kinds of countries: developed countries, underdeveloped countries, Japan, and Argentina." They went bankrupt eight times already with another bankruptcy just around the corner, and the ruling party is whining about the Falklands again because the election is in October.

Here's a short 3-minute video about Argentina's decline that's basically a tl;dr on their economic woes.

R17 Property owners no longer want to rent to long-term tenants when they can charge more money through Airbnb, even if it's sporadic.

R15, YES, they are!

Some of the hottest guys I’ve met are Argentinians or Uruguayans.

GORGEOUS men. 😍

Uruguayans tend to be shorter, however, hot AF.

Shorter never hurt no one.

Their gays have been killing it on OnlyFans recently. They have several little people gays they film with as well, it's a very inclusive community. Good for them for making supplemental income in that awful situation.

R22, how do you gather your data?

Genuinely, just curious.

TIA.

Oops!

My question was for R21

Apologies.

That video was informative - and cute and funny.

r22 I came across an Argentinian OF clip once and I checked out the accounts of the guys in the video. From there on I came across an orgy and then slowly a whole community of gays in Buenos Aires opens up to you.

R25, thanks for answering my question.

Also, I agree w/ you.

Good for them for taking their financial situation into their own “hands”, so to speak.

When there’s a will, there’s a way!

😂 single minded focus

Here's a cute orgy they threw in celebration of Argentina winning the World Cup.

I'd very much like to fool around with the black one and the blond one who fucks like a jackrabbit.

Sad. Maybe Marjorie Taylor Greene should fly down with an AR-15 and show them who is boss.

Time for another fatal adventure in the Falklands to try to divert attention away from domestic problems?

The U.S. is fast approaching this too.

Malvinas!

I love how Britain went from a global empire to squabbling over a rock in the Mediterranean and that penguin colony off Argentina. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving cunt of a country.

No need to gloat. That orange fiend fully exposed the American hypocrisy to the world. And how embarrassing is that we scream about freedom and democracy but we can't get rid of a cunt like Thomas who was and is a scum sucking bootlicking third rate shit from birth

[quote]That orange fiend fully exposed the American hypocrisy to the world. And how embarrassing is that we scream about freedom and democracy but we can't get rid of a cunt like Thomas who was and is a scum sucking bootlicking third rate shit from birth

Speaking of American hypocrisy, you are presumably against attacks on judicial independence in Israel, Hungary, and Poland. It's just the American Supreme Court that you don't want to be independent.

By about 1930's Argentina was one of the most wealthy countries in world. Phrase such as "Rich as an Argentine" or "Argentina potencia" were once common and referred to the South American nation who at that time was wealthy and growing in power. By 1950's or so this all changed with arrival of Juan Peron (husband of Evita Peron).

The Perons made lots of economic promises to the less fortunate which of course got them votes. When Peron governments couldn't deliver they just printed money, something that has pretty much gone on ever since.

As anyone with even an elementary understanding of economics should know when governments print money inflation usually occurs. This is basically what has made Argentina an economic basket case.

Imagine living in a country where to buy say house or any other large purchase requires basically crate loads of money. One Argentine Peso is worth 0.0046 USD at current exchange rates. Prices aren't stable; something has one price in a shop say when it opens in morning, but it may be higher by afternoon or next day.

Argentina is still deeply homophobic. There's a gay storyline on a telenovela currently airing in Argentina. For the first time the gay characters are protagonists, and they actually get to kiss. It's kinda groundbreaking. Anyways, many people are saying they won't watch due to the gay storyline. It didn't get better when two of the actors confirmed they're in a relationship. I swear I have never seen so many homophobic comments. 90 % were probably homophobic. What pisses me off is that Argentina has major issues, like with poverty and inflation. The homophobes should worry about that instead of two guys loving each other.

There is always an OnlyFans for the cute one, always.

As with everything else and as noted in OP, economic pain in Argentina is not spread about equally.

Argentina has a 100 % inflation rate. And I thought Norway was bad with 7 %. What causes the inflation to get this bad? It's the second worst in the world.

For those into gay porn from Argentina there's Latin Leche.

LPSG approved.

R21 They are porbably poor and G4P. Take a look at their twitter likes. Lots of female content. No way they are actually gay in real life. They're probably desperate and that's why they do gay porn. It's quite sad actually.

R15 Argentine men are gorgeous. I don't think they get enough credit. They are overlooked because everyone is gushing about Brazilian men instead. I personally think Argentine and Brazilian men are the hottest in South America. Both countries produce some fine men. Take a look at this twitter account for examples.

r3 I see that Cleo has plenty of income for cigarettes.

r43 I am familiar with their Twitter accounts and the female content is there because they're trying to increase the exposure of their OnlyFans channel. It's a weird marketing strategy, but it works. This is very complex, I don't really have the time to get into it, but it basically boils down to retweeting OnlyFans stuff all day long, from whatever source.

And yes, a couple of them, like Kito Shelby and ViktorOnee, are bisexual, but they're definitely not G4P.

The inflation is above 100 % in Argentina now. How is this even possible? Can someone please explain it to me. How did it get this bad?

Immigration from Italy and Spain have resulted in about 60% of all Argentines having some Italian "blood"

r40 & r47 Global factors, such as the war in Ukraine and supply-chain constraints, as well as domestic factors, such as public spending and currency devaluation. Unfortunately, they got served with the perfect storm and now all those factors are feeding each other and turning the whole mess into a downwards spiral.

That Italian connection goes long way in explaining why some gay porn studios such as Kristen Bjorn have actors with Italian sounding names.

Bjorn used many Argentine men (gay or G4P) and either they used their own names or something was made up, latter invaribly was Italian or Latin sounding.

R49 Yes, but we struggle with increasing prices too, on everything... from goods to gas and electricity. Our inflation rate is 7 %.

R47

Things were spelled out in R36 and R39, but here is another from Washington Post.

Very long story short Argentina has been an economic basket case for decades. They keep borrowing money from IMF which of course has to be repaid with interest. Because Argentine economy never seems to remain healthy for long it's always back to disaster mode.

Currently there is a drought in Argentina that is affecting one of their chief exports; agriculture.

R2: Prices didn’t go down. In a modern economy, prices almost never go down by much or for long periods of time. When they do, it’s called deflation, which is a dangerous thing for the economy. The last time prices fell significantly over time was in the early 1930s, during a deflationary spiral. We know how that turned out.

What happened after the 1979-81 period in the US is that inflation stabilized at a lower rate, falling to 3% in 1983 and staying in the 3-5% range throughout the '80s and '90s. Wages did rise very sharply during the inflation period to keep up with inflation.

Inflation was very low in the 2010s by historical standards, in the 1-2% range. This is one reason why the steep prices increases of the last 2 years have been so shocking. We're not used to it.

On topic: To put the Argentine inflation in perspective, the worst year for inflation in the US in modern times was 1980, when the inflation rate was 13.55%. That was considered catastrophic and undoubtedly was a major factor in putting Ronald Reagan in the White House. In February 2023, the year-over-year inflation rate in Argentine inflation was 103.5%

R37

Argentina was first South American nation to legalize SSM. Their people and economy on average go out of their way to court gay tourists and so on.

Gay men are becoming parents in Argentina as well.

Honestly, and no offence, but every single country on that continent outside of Uruguay is deeply fucked up in some way.

R54 and R55 I know Argentina is good at gay rights, but society as a whole still has a way to go when it comes to acceptance. I swear 90 % of the facebook comments regarding the show and the relationship are homophobic. I too thought Argentina was more progressive before watching the show.

The goodlooking Argentine men should relocate to America, we need more manly masculine men with natural dark smoldering brooding looks and high sex drives with big cocks. I'll host a dozen at my queer mansion in New Orleans, I love Argentine men. :-)

Argentina joined USA visa wavier scheme in 1996 and was removed in 2002. Uruguay joined in 1999 and was removed from visa waiver program in 2003.

In both instances economic unrest in respective countries was causing large numbers of "tourists" from both countries to arrive in USA but not leave (visa overstays). Instead they joined other "illegal aliens" seeking employment and otherwise setting up life in USA.

[quote]Prices didn’t go down. In a modern economy, prices almost never go down by much or for long periods of time.

Remember all of DL's propagandists who daily post false statements in support of their ideology. They repeated the lie that inflation would be "transitory" knowing that it was complete lie. I wish that everyone on DL who repeated the lie would be held accountable.

Do the sex pigs have access to PrEP?

r59 Uruguay has 3 million people and Argentina 46 million. One is the Switzerland of SA and the other... well, isn't. Apples and oranges.

Also, you're talking about 2002. You know, the year the US started its failed excursions in Afghanistan and Iraq. Maybe let's not reach that far into history because your own skeletons from back then are far, far worse.

Speaking of men from Argentina

I wonder how cheap the rent boys are

Go ask them R64!

USA: Hold my beer ...

R57

If you're going by comments posted on media do you really think USA is that much better?

"[R3] I see that Cleo has plenty of income for cigarettes."

This isn't puritan America. Cigarettes are a staple, like flour or milk.

I've enjoyed the mix of serious political and economic discussion mixed with demographic history and porn.

"Honestly, and no offence, but every single country on that continent outside of Uruguay is deeply fucked up in some way."

What is Uruguay's saving grace? I don't now much about it other than it was once a soccer power. Looks like they have a nice plot of land on the coast wedged between Argentina and Brazil.

I'm in Buenos Aires right now. Jealous, bitches?

I don't think it's particularly homophobic. Of course, homophobes exist everywhere, but I really don't think it's an issue in the city. I haven't seen enough of the rest of the country to judge, but I'm sure it's like anywhere, more conservative in the more rural areas.

One thing I noticed since I arrived in the last days of summer...nearly all the men have skinny soccer player legs, so if you prefer a man with meaty calves and thighs, it's slim pickings. They are still hot, though.

Right now you can get more than 400 pesos to the dollar, so if you are living here on a US income, you will be extremely comfortable.

The exchange rate doesn't really tell us anything unless we know how many pesos typical items cost.

[quote]What is Uruguay's saving grace?

It is stable and liberal. It's also expensive and very boring. Montevideo has beaches, but the water is muddy brown river water...yuck! Punta Del Este had better beaches, but there's very little going on there outside of the high season.

I'd rather live in Argentina with all of its problems any day. It's not just about the cost of living, but cultural offerings, vibrancy, etc.

I've never liked Argentina.

I think the people are loud, and obnoxious, and full of themselves.

They seem to think much more highly of themselves than they should.

The majority of them have European blood from Italy or Spain (or even Wales, believe it or not) because they immigrated to Argentina during the economic boom of the early 1900's.

At the same time, Argentina effectively wiped out its own indigenous Indian population, and expelled most of the blacks to Brazil.

Which explains why Argentinians are mainly white, as compared to the rest of South America.

So I'd say that Argentina is getting exactly what it deserves, for its past sins.

Oh, and Uruguay is to Argentina, as Canada is to the United States. A lesser, less populated, pale imitation.

That's pretty much all you need to know about those two countries.

Do Uruguayans have the racial mix up of Brazil and some other SA countries - white, black, indigenous/metzo - and mixes thereof?

Okay, I used "metzo" wrong and it's not even the right word, but my question still stands.

No, R75/R76.

Both Argentina and Uruguay's indigenous population were exterminated by European colonizers, so there is not much of a mestizo population in either country, as compared to the rest of South America.

And there are almost no blacks to speak of, in either country.

Latin America is back in shambles aftert Turning right wing, hopefully this time when they embark in the Leftist wave they stick to it

Hot Argentine rentboys must be really cheap.

r2 if no one ever answered you, prices never went down and they did plateau. Wages went up to compensate but not quite enough which is when the middle class started being wiped out.

There are too many ultra rich people today who hoard all their money which is keeping a lot of other people from getting any.

Argentine Spanish is one of the most beautiful dialects in world.

Argentina has a long history of economic instability.

That's Argentine delivered functionality. This has been happening at least once a generation since... just before the Great Depression (?)

They keep voting for it, so 🤷

Youtube must read my mind, because after posting on this thread yesterday, this video popped up on my "suggested videos" list.

Coincidentally, it's about the Argentinian Economic Crisis.

On the 9th February 1935 in Buenos Aires, a polo match between a team of leading Argentine players and the touring British side. The British ambassador said he had never seen a social occasion quite like it. Even by the standards of Buenos Aires society, the gathering at the polo ground glittered. The Rolls and the Daimlers, the hampers from Harrods, the clothes, the diamonds, the crystal, the wines, the procession of nannies from England and France. The result of the match, oh yes, the home team won! But, as the British ambassador pointed out, that did not reflect badly on British horsemanship; three of the Argentine players were educated at Eton!

Tasteful friends: The Estrugamou mansion, Buenos Aries.

R86 Gorgeous on the outside, inside needs some serious renovations. It has good bones though, obviously.

Most of the Latin and South American countries' economies have always been in shambles and many point the finger to the constructs of Spanish colonialism.

Spanish colonialism was one of wealth extraction, keeping large tracts of land and power among a small elite that was loyal to the Crown, and with limited voting or land-owning opportunities (usually tied together) for the masses.

It's still that way in almost all the countries - a very small, powerful corrupt elite and then the rest. Yes - I know there are corrupt American politicians and a wealthy elite that seem to be pulling the strings, but it's on a whole different level down there.

[quote]Oh, and Uruguay is to Argentina, as Canada is to the United States. A lesser, less populated, pale imitation.

Gee, R74, that doesn't sound loud, and obnoxious, and full of yourself at all.

R78 after turning right wing? Argentina have had the same "leftist" shit government since 2003, save for a brief 4 year stint of centre right Macri. Chile as well. Brazil had Bolsonaro for one term before going leftist against with Lula. Please read up before posting things that make you look ignorant.

R74 Mexican or Chilean?

This'll cheer 'em up!

R71 who said B.A would be homophobic? It's more gay friendly than 80% of American cities.

Excellent thread OP. I like learning and this was worth my time. Appreciate all the posters who added info as well. Back in 2010, my work took me to Buenos Aires for a month to shoot some commercials. It was a great trip and I fell in love with the what I saw of the city and country. The dollar went FAR which is why we shot there. So things are much worse now I see. Also, that French girl seems lazy af as it looks like they are having a fine bohemian lifestyle. It's fancy compared to E. Village days in the late 70s and 80s.

BUENOS AIRES, May 12 (Reuters) - Argentina's annual inflation rate soared to 𝟏𝟎𝟗% in April, the country's statistics agency said on Friday, smashing past analyst forecasts and stoking anger among hard-hit consumers who are increasingly having to skimp and save to get by.

The price spike has pushed one in four people into poverty in a country that has battled for decades with high inflation, along with cyclical debt and currency crises. Dwindling central bank reserves are now imperiling the government's finances.

"They've turned us into a country of beggars," Carlos Andrada, a 60-year-old self-employed worker, told Reuters. "One despairs because after working all your life, you have to fight just to get a tomato or a bell pepper," he said.

18 million?

America says, "Hold my beer!"

Intersting that the government is generally described as "centrist" - is that true?

And then there is Marco Blaze…

"18 million?

America says, "Hold my beer!""

But Argentina has like 46 million people. America has 335 million. So there's probably more people unable to afford basic needs, but a not-insignificant lower percentage.

Ninety million people in the US live at below 200% poverty level. I use that level as basic because the US poverty line is ridiculously low in comparison to the cost of living at $12,800 per single person. Not much difference percentage-wise but America is galling because it could afford to have zero below the poverty line.

[quote] I understand that most Argentinians were once, majority white

Were once? The ignorance on this thread is amazing.

Argentina just raised interest rates to nearly 100%.

Argentinian men are handsome, but they will bore you to tears. They don't hold conversations, they just hold forth. They can really have an entire conversation all by themselves. Would still fuck them though.

Wow, you win a Mundial and nothing really changes.

Our poor little Argentinian brothers. Always getting themselves in this kind of sitch.

Truth is they are a people with a flair for the dramatic - they are fanatic about political figures (cf. Perón), worshipping them like they would movie stars, while being collectively arrogant, clueless and completely delusional. They actually think they are THE greatest nation on Earth; unfortunately, they're really just a big bag of undereducated fools who don't have a peso to their name to buy a fajita. Everything is grand and epically disastrous, as there's too much emotion and too little rational thinking applied to everything in life.

Every time they fuck up economically or otherwise, they come running to Big Old Mama Brazil for help; we help them (by sending zillions in aid), then they go back to their default setting of bad-mouthing us, as they have done so historically. In practice, it's hardly a blip on our radar, but it sure is annoying, when we remember they exist.

Their national anthem starts with "Hear, mortals, the sacred cry". You, the non-Argentines, are the mortals, in case you didn't get that.

I do feel sorry for them, and don't like to see their people suffer. However, there's the "reaping what you sow" part. You cannot deliberately turn your country into a fuckfest and then go "Woe is me"; "Foreigners, come fix it".

Tragic. I wish them well (and I say this with no snark).

R105 all I could think reading that was, “oh, Scotland”.

Apples to oranges, R106, and you know it.

R105 Brazilians calling Argentines arrogant. Ha! Especially after that post, hun.

As far as bad mouthing, I thought our only beef was the futebol?....seems you have a bit of a persecution complex. Most argentineans (like me) love brazilians as much as we love beating them in our shared favorite sport.

May I ask how you seem to have so much insight about us? Lived here for a bit? Or is it all just hearsay?

Now you did get part of the overdramatics and passion right (I find it an endearing trait, tbh, not to sound stereotypically "arrogant"), though half of the country loathes Peronism with just as much passion, including me. Hell you got most of it right. You even threw in a mostly genuine and only 40% passive aggresive wish for an improvement.

You do well in wishing that. Because, darling, if you knew one thing about Argentinean/Brazil economic relations you'd know there are few countries that depend on each other more economically than us. I would also wager you've knocked on our door for a cup of sugar just as much as we've knocked on yours. Sadly, your country being in a somewhat slightly economic situation hasnt done much for the violence and insecurity that plagues Brazilian cities. Being an English as a second language teacher with a majority of Brazilians students trying to elbow their way into the US and hearing the stories (a student of mine's mother was machete-d to death a couple of weeks ago, how's that for an incentive?), I grant you an invitation to knock on our door if you need to. We might not be able to spare so much in the way of sugar, but you can hide out with us for a bit. We're financial idiots, but were not trying to kill ourselves.

This morning, I picked up 3kg of their delicious Yerba Mate Rosamonte tea, which I ordered at a local tea shop. My arm almost fell off transporting that shit home. €37 it cost me, a slight increase from a year ago due to inflation here, the peso is still dirt cheap and it's still by far the cheapest tea around.

My point is, I don't give a flying fuck if Argentina falls apart. As long as they keep producing primo gay porn and my favourite tea at a reasonable price, it's all good.

R108, here's my insight: I've just sent some money to my Salvadoran-Argentinian ex-wife in Buenos Aires through Western Union. That was fifteen minutes ago. We're recent divorcees, and although she's well-employed and already working, she just went back to your/her country a couple of months ago and is still getting settled. The situation is dire, she asked for help, I'm happy to give it. As you can see, I don't deal in 'hearsay'.

[quote] Hell you got most of it right

I don't tackle subjects I'm uninformed about.

[quote] We're financial idiots

That's right.

[quote] I would also wager you've knocked on our door for a cup of sugar just as much as we've knocked on yours.

You know that is simply not true. One thing that [italic]is[/italic] true and worth remembering, however, since you decided to pick that one metaphor: Brazil is the biggest sugar producer in the world. We're not about to ask anyone for a cup of it anytime soon.

[quote] you can hide out with us for a bit

Brazilians don't 'hide out'. You should take a page from our book in that.

R109 here in Argentina you could get that for aprox 5.21 GBP...aren't ya jelly? lol

The US is still in crisis mode. If it wasn't for the private sector (and I'm not talking about the rich) getting together and opening food pantries, and preparing box meals, along with soup kitchens, we'd have twice as many starving people. Shelters are filled to capacity, but if they can fit another body in, they'll not turn anyone away. I still don't understand why this country turns it's back on their own.

[quote] they come running to Big Old Mama Brazil for help

Argentina goes to Brazil for help? First I've heard of that. They usually go to the US or the IMF.

Racist people who love to throw bananas at black soccer players. Fuck them!

Argentina and Brazil have a closer relationship than many would otherwise believe. Things have been inching along that direction for ages now. Though like any relationship there are ups and downs.

There was a sort of hate presidents of Argentina and Brazil via their sons. Alberto Fernández son is known in Argentina as a drag performer and cosplayer, and progressive politically. Jair Bolsonaro's sons conservative and homophobic. Bolsonaro was voted out of office so that's that.

Are you typing from the US, R114? The same country that just had a giant neo-Nazi rally, where racists mow down immigrants and go on shooting rampages in black churches and grocery stores? The country of Donald fucking Trump and his incredibly racist base?

First world alienation spotted at R109

All the time, R113. ALL the time. Right now, Argentina owes Brazil USD 2 billion. We're like their Big Old Mama that they hate, or their own Personal Jesus, if you will.

And yes - Argentinians do throw bananas at black soccer players during matches. They are racist as fuck. They also throw bananas at Brazilian soccer fans of any ethnicity whenever they get the opportunity to, but don't take my word for it - see it with your own eyes, below.

R110 ooh I have an ex who I just divorced that is half argentinean, this allows me to give my totally not bitter and completely objective input of an entire nation.

By the fucking way, Argentina is still a richer country per capita than Brazil. As well as being more secure, and having a better standard of living. So we might be financial idiots, but we're still better of.

[quote] and go on shooting rampages in black churches and grocery stores

That was a white trans woman.

Ah R110's bitterness over her divorce (ex seems to have dodged a bullet tbh) making her seeing things...I see only one person throwing something. But yes lets take what one person belonging to the least educated sector of society, in the context of idiotic futbol rivalry as representative of the entire population. It's only fair I take incidents such as a soccer player beheaded by the rival teams fans as representative of that country as well?

Sit your ass down, R119. I married one of you, spent time in your country, and have been speaking your language since I was a teenager. You admit I got "most of it" right when speaking about you at R105, and now you're here whining.

Your ass owes my ass 2 billion dollars, you're throwing bananas at me at the stadium, and now you're linking true crime at R121 that is completely beside the point / has nothing to do with Argentina and what we've been discussing in this thread.

Shut the fuck up, and fuck you.

Omg...2 billion dollars? We owe half the world much more. Get in line, hun.

You were right about the financial idiot part....now if you sensed any disdain from my part it was probably more related to the arrogance I sensed in from yours, you know, all things considering, I'd say we're seat mates on the short bus in that regard. That's all : )

It’s like there’s all this land and all these hot men. And I’m 100 % certain that I could build a successful country based on hot men having sex with me and everyone doing my bidding. But you can’t go enjoy any of that because they all want to do other things and sometimes play soccer. None of it makes any sense.

FF your stupid ass, R123. I don't have time anymore for this nonsense.

[quote] all things considering

I wasn't going to say anything, but now I will. I feel sorry for your students - you say you're an "English as a second language teacher", but your English is not very good at all. How about you get off the DL for a while and go hone your language skills, so you can do right by your students / DO YOUR JOB right?

Otherwise you'll just keep proving to us that you're a half-assed Argentinian who doesn't understand much of anything, nor can do anything quite right, and whose part-time profession is to fucking whine and blame others for your shortcomings.

Off you go, now, and God bless.

R93 I never said Buenos Aires is homophobic. I said based on my observations from Argentinians online that in general they seem to be homophobic. I'm sure Buenos Aires residents are more liberal as Buenos Aires is a liberal and gay friendly city in general and those who live in the capital are often more educated.

Meh, go get dildo fucked R125. Tell your ex next time you talk to her she dodged a bullet from me.

Apparently Argentina is using the Chinese Yuan rather than the US Dollar to pay for Chinese imports. Brazil has already done this. Argentina is also looking to join BRICS.

r125 / r127 Calm down, girls. Bond over your shared poverty instead.

And here I thought my beef with my neighbour Hungary was bad, fucking hell, you bitches are ruthless to each other. No wonder the whole damn continent bar sweet, sweet Uruguay is perpetually failing.

R129 actually Brazilians and Argentineans get on very well, we destroy each other on football and that's it. Only in LL's brain do we hate each other. Argentineans only have beef with Chileans and of course the Brits, though even that is over exagerrated.

I don't hate Argentinians, R130, I just dislike you. That's [italic]one[/italic] Argentinian.

R129, where are you, darling? Somewhere like Romania?

[quote] poverty

I can't speak for Juanita at R130 et al. (if her income is as good as her grammar and spelling, then she sure is poor), but I'm happy to report that is not my case at all. My city is not poor either, and neither is my country, as a matter of fact... We're good.

[quote]We're good.

Says while typing from her hut with dirt floor, lmao.

Let the banging of (empty) pots and pans begin.

I love Brazilian gay porn but their lesbians seem insufferable, if this thread is anything to go by.

Fantastic house, R86. The family for whom it was built were patrons of some of the grandest architecture in Argentina, a place not known for holding back on embellishment (this example is one of the restrained commissions.) This house was originally offered with an asking price of $10M USD; it's been for sale for some time now.

Buenos Aires has such an amazing architectural heritage, wonderful things from the late 19th and early 20thC in a range of classical and revival styles, some very correct, others more innovative or eccentric. Its size in spread and population (15.5M) means there are some great old neighborhoods and examples of urban planning and amenities, also some wonderfully preserved commercial spaces more than a century old and fairly untouched.

Argentina has been so tattered by financial crises, it's sad to see yet another deep one.

Argentina is one of the countries we are looking at relocating to if trump wins 2024.

Alejandro Estrugamou's other building.

Bit of backstory

Peek inside...

[quote] Racist people who love to throw bananas at black soccer players.

I'd prefer a banana thrown at me than a coconut,

At today's exchange rates In Argentina 2,000-peso is worth just $4 USD

It's a mess.

Please cry for me

Argentina takes delivery of its new presidential jet

[quote][bold]A growing number of LGBTQ+ Russians seek refuge from war, discrimination in Argentina[/bold]

[quote]Anastasia Domini and wife Anna are part of an increasing number of Russians from the LGBTQ+ community who have decided to leave their homeland to escape discrimination and settle in Argentina, where same-sex marriage has been legal for more than a decade

R2, I think a lot of woman who had been stay-at-home moms raising their children went to work in the mid-70s to make ends meet. There was only one woman on my block who worked, divorced mother with a son. It seems to me that that was the abrupt end of the middle and working class being able to have a decent life (with a home and a car) on one salary. Those days are gone forever, alas.

R130 Leave Chileans out of this. Let the Argentinians and Brazilians fight, it's fun.

[quote] It seems to me that that was the abrupt end of the middle and working class being able to have a decent life (with a home and a car) on one salary. Those days are gone forever, alas.

Those days are gone forever, everywhere.

But as long as they can brag about winning the most recent World Cup, Argentinians don't seem to care of their economic issues.

r149 They've been experiencing pretty much the same economic woes for a century now, at a certain point you just give up.

In other Argentina news, the morning-after pil can be bought over the counter now, so that's nice.

Mercosur was a disaster for them. Brazil made it their mission to take down Argentina a peg.

Smell la weona at R147!

My meditation teacher lives in Buenos Aires, and I work with him remotely via Zoom from the US, and pay him via Venmo in dollars. He's American, but has been there for quite awhile now. He keeps his money in dollars and exchanges them when he needs to on the black market, and I have the impression he lives fairly well. We were talking about the economic situation last week, and he admitted that he was baffled how everyone else is surviving. 100% inflation is amazing. I'd like to know why Argentina can't get its economic shit together, it's been a basket case for one reason or another as long as I can remember.

Reading through this thread reminded me of a passage from an interview with Argentine/Irish journalist Uki Goñi from 2014, so I looked it up:

JS: Would you say there’s some kind of collectivist mentality then?

UG: A collectivist mentality, yeah. The best definition I ever read was by a Belgian war criminal who escaped to Argentina and lived here. Now actually, many of these Nazis were extremely cultured, well-read people. The thing about Nazis is that some of them were very intelligent—not all of them, but many. And this guy was a very smart guy. He was a writer, publishing a lot of books before becoming a Nazi collaborator, and he kept a diary of his life in Argentina, where he mixed with lots of Argentine nationalists and politicians. I had to travel to Belgium to get permission from the family to read and photocopy this diary. And in it, at one point—like you or I or anybody who’s been here more than eight days in a row—he starts trying to understand how the Argentine mind works. And he writes in his diary, “Argentines are fascists who don’t obey orders.” (Laughs) I thought that was the greatest definition.

No Nazis were intelligent.

The NAZI scientists the US secretly smuggled into the U.S. to give us a military. Industrial and scientific edge after the war in Operation Paperclip were plenty intelligent. And we brought over thousands of them. Wernher Von Braun knew a thing or two about rockets, for example.

Don't cry for me, Argentina!

America’s income inequality is trending toward South American standards. We’re one more economic meltdown away from this. By design.

R158 agreed.

Most of the traitors/collaborators in my country fled to Argentina after WWII and they -- and their kids -- by and large still vote for our far right in every election. I guess that's nothing new (just look at the Turks in Germany in the most recent Turkish election) but my god, we did not send our best to Argentina. With people like that, is it any wonder the country is in a perpetual state of failure? I feel bad for them.

R160 far right hasnt been an issue here since the 70's, and that government wasn't exactly voted in by people. Save for 4 years, the last 20 years of government has been center left. It's ignorant to blame one party or the other, the issue cuts much, much deeper, it's like economic stupidity is ibgrained in our culture the same way gun obsession is ingrained in american culture.

Also R154 , I have fuck all idea what "Fascists that don't follow the rules" means...though he certainly got the second part right considering Argentina was the first latin american country to legalize same sex marriage and abortion (well, the latter after Cuba), and has both free heathcare and free public universities. Talk about not following the rules.

According to Google, there were maybe 12000 Nazis who fled to Argentina. Even if they reproduced like rabbits, that's still a drop in the bucket for a country with a population of 45 million. Why do people keep harping on the Nazi thing? Some of them went to the US, too.

[quote] Wernher Von Braun knew a thing or two about rockets

Yes but Werner and that crowd had only built on the foundations already laid by Robert Goddard.

If Goddard had been supported in the US the way the Germany supported Von Braun, Harry Truman could have taken us to the moon.

The US only took in the 'good' Nazi's - LOL all kidding aside- The US screwed the pooch when the USSR collapsed and the US did not aggressively recruit/sponsor Soviet top scientific minds like the US did with the WW2 germans.

The US took PLENTY of the best and brightest after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Brain drain was a huge problem. One of my best friends and her husband from Novosibirsk emigrated to the US for graduate school after surviving on Soros funds for a few years. Her husband got a PhD in robotic/AI at Carnegie Mellon before landing a job at Google

[quote] America’s income inequality is trending toward South American standards

@R145

Argentina seeks to stop mass inflows of Russians.

[quote] Argentina seeks to stop mass inflows of Russians.

How racist of them. It's a ℎ𝑢𝑚𝑎𝑛 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 to go anywhere you please and let your new host country pay your bills

r167 Saw that. Although gay people obviously aren't to blame, it was thousands of Russian anchor babies in a short amount of time that made authorities suspicious.

[Quote]Why do people keep harping on the Nazi thing? Some of them went to the US, too.

I agree. After the war Argentina had its doors wide open to all of Europe as part of a strategy to increase population and stimulate economic activity.

Plus Nazis were travelling on faux documents with faux identities. It's not as if Argentina welcomed Nazis as some have claimed on this thread.

" It's not as if Argentina welcomed Nazis as some have claimed on this thread."

People aren't claiming anything, but making factual statements. You might want to read up on things since you clearly don't have a clue.

Peron welcomed over 300 Nazi fugitives into Argentina. Many were the worst of lot and wanted for committing war crimes.

After World War Two, thousands of Nazis and wartime collaborators from France, Croatia, Belgium and other parts of Europe were looking for a new home: preferably as far away from the Nuremberg Trials as possible. Argentina welcomed hundreds if not thousands of them: the Juan Domingo Perón regime went to great lengths to get them there, sending agents to Europe to ease their passage, providing travel documents, and in many cases covering expenses.

Even those accused of the most heinous crimes, such as Ante Pavelic (whose Croatian regime murdered hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews and Romani people), Dr. Josef Mengele (whose cruel experiments are the stuff of nightmares) and Adolf Eichmann (Adolf Hitler's architect of the Holocaust) were welcomed with open arms. It begs the question: Why on Earth would Argentina want these men? The answers may surprise you.

Never really recovered from the havoc Evita created.

R173 That Madonna I tell you!

Have I said too much? There's nothing more I can think of to say to you.

But all you have to do is look at me to know every word is true!

"Argentina welcomed hundreds if not thousands of them"

The goverment did. Or are we going to start listing shitty things the US GOVERNMENT has done, we might be here for awhile.

R171 You offer up miserable sources with quotes like

[Quote]Argentina welcomed hundreds if not thousands of them"

Nothing like a shot in the dark. Numbers don't matter I guess.

I don't know what I'm talking about? Oh, hun.

My grandmother who escaped from an Ustase prisoner of war camp for her Partisan activities during the war ( like nearly decapitating sleeping Nazi troops with a piano wire) was offered domicile by the Argentina government after the war. She declined choosing to stay in her beloved Dalmatia.

My point is that Argentina had a broad open door policy after the war. They sought out ermmigrants.

It's r171 who has a weak grip on history. The comments re Spain in that article are ahistoric as well.

Franco was a Fascist not the Spanish people who elected a Republican government before Franco's coup with help from outside forces thus beginning decades of Franco's brutal regime.

My impression is that Argentina has too much inequality. The wealthy has not set up wide enough of a base of poor to support themselves. Maybe they could switch to the Euro or the Dollar as a currency. Wonder what the number of those unable to afford basics in the EU and the USA are by ratio. I bet The peon to wealth ratio is higher in those places.They need more people that will work for very little like China.China and the USA can print with impunity. Cause we are special.

R179 actually Argentina is not far off from the US.The US is closer to Argentinean rates than half of Europe, at least according to this

Don't European social supports offset those numbers though?

But they’re the most European nation in Latin America!! How could this happen? 🙄🙄🥴🥴

What's your point?

R 180 Thanks, Interesting graph. now we have a picture of how bad it is.

Argentina has got their begging cap out again.

One has to wonder how much more money IMF is going to sink into Argentina before those who fund that say "enough".

They just had their mandatory primaries ahead of the general election in October and the far-right populist won outright.

[quote]Milei, an admirer of former U.S. President Donald Trump, says Argentina’s Central Bank should be abolished, thinks climate change is a lie, characterizes sex education as a ploy to destroy the family, believes the sale of human organs should be legal and wants to make it easier to own handguns.

This country just refuses to stop fucking itself over.

[quote] They repeated the lie that inflation would be "transitory" knowing that it was complete lie. I wish that everyone on DL who repeated the lie would be held accountable.

You'll hear variations repeated a lot more as the election nears and the Treasury printing presses run full blast

This current bout of inflation HAS been transitory – it's already gone way down in the US, but has also eased a lot in the EU. We were dealing with historic levels of inflation here, obviously it's taken a year or so to tame it.

Or maybe you're just confused by the word "transitory", who the fuck knows with you deplorables anymore. Beats me why you're on DL in the first place.

Current president, Alberto Fernandez, has a nonbinary drag queen son.

R186 it's been fucking itself over for the last 20 years with leftist peronism...hence why we ended up where we are, you dingbat!!!! Were we supposed to vote for the same dipshits that fucked our country over???

I didn't vote for Milei, but he is not "far right"...he's right wing libertarian....which is better than the "law and order" more conservative bullshit like Bullrich or the same shit we've had for the last 20 years with Massa.

Man, please don't talk about shit you dont understand. Left wing FUCKING GOT US HERE.

Not the most European of the Latin American nations! How could this happen?

R191, being sarcastic.

[quote] This current bout of inflation HAS been transitory – it's already gone way down in the US,

No it hasn't. this past month CPI report: Energy prices are going back up, services (a huge category including rent, health services, transportation) is up, the only category that has stabilized (at 'nosebleed' prices) is food which is NOT going down.

This disinflation hype is coming from WallStreet and the media. Investors want the Fed to stop raising interest rates so they can have more free money like the good old days, the reason we're in this mess.

[quote]I love how Britain went from a global empire to squabbling over a rock in the Mediterranean and that penguin colony off Argentina. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving cunt of a country.

As an American, I am grateful every day that the British colonized this country instead of the Spanish.

[quote] - has had controversies related to positions on selling children, organs

Sounds fun. Also He cloned his dog and called the 7 clones after his favorite economists.

He has also bragged about having threesomes ("90% were with two women") and being a tantric sex instructor.

How dare you look so hideous and make those boasts?!

Its the muttonchop's. Bitches can't get enough of them.