The bitch is back. How long until the first death. Such an exciting time of year.
Mt Everest 2023.
|by Anonymous||reply 317||June 4, 2023 11:56 PM|
I really wish these cocksuckers would stop climbing that fucking mountain. Evidently there is a ton of shit - actual human shit - as well as other pollution they leave with each climb (to say nothing of the bodies).
It should be left alone.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||April 10, 2023 6:53 PM|
If God intended for me to climb a mountain I'd been born as a mountain goat .
|by Anonymous||reply 2||April 10, 2023 7:03 PM|
There are a ton of used oxygen canisters all over the mountain. And they can't clean it up they keep adding to the trash heap year after year. Humans are such pigs.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||April 10, 2023 7:11 PM|
Hope the Sherpas are still over all this, literal, shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||April 10, 2023 7:13 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 5||April 11, 2023 8:21 PM|
R2, you must climb until you find your dream.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||April 11, 2023 8:35 PM|
Anyone die yet?
|by Anonymous||reply 7||April 11, 2023 8:42 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 8||April 12, 2023 7:00 AM|
I must send my regrets.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||April 12, 2023 12:59 PM|
R3- Humans are the WORST thing to ever appear on Earth.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||April 12, 2023 1:08 PM|
Guess what, campers!
|by Anonymous||reply 11||April 12, 2023 6:09 PM|
Oh shit, it was Sherpas, not climbers. Sherpa deaths are just sad.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||April 12, 2023 6:11 PM|
I can still kick your fat ass, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||April 12, 2023 6:36 PM|
Three deaths. That is very sad. I hope their bodies can be recovered for their families.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||April 12, 2023 6:45 PM|
"There are a ton of used oxygen canisters all over the mountain. And they can't clean it up they keep adding to the trash heap year after year. Humans are such pigs. "
Yeah, it's not worth the cost and would take forever. Essentially they'd have to pay sherpas or other very experienced climbers over a LONG period of time to make numerous journeys to collect cannisters. The window to do so is small every year, and they could probably only descend with one or two unless there was some way to slide them down. It's just too labor intenstive. It would take years, probably decades, to make a dent - and that's only if they suspended climbing during the cleanup period. And they can't fly up there in a helicopter with a clean up crew in perfect conditions because you can't fly up there in a helicopter. Plus there's probably a ton of cannisters that are covered or have been tossed into or fallen into crevices that would never be recovered even if there was a cleanup effort.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||April 12, 2023 7:22 PM|
R15- Why aren't they (climbers) made to bring their empty cannisters down ?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||April 12, 2023 7:40 PM|
Climbing it is the only way to reach the Valley of the Dolls.l
|by Anonymous||reply 17||April 12, 2023 7:42 PM|
"[R15]- Why aren't they (climbers) made to bring their empty cannisters down ?"
I'd assume because they're using one and the weight of another one would be too much extra exertion. But that's just a guess; I don't know. I think it's usually the sherpas who have the extra cannisters ready for their clients. Even if it were possible, no one could ever enforce a requirement that they bring them down.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||April 12, 2023 7:49 PM|
They are so unoriginal. It was a romantic pursuit when Mallory and Irvine tried to do it and now it's just prosaic.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||April 12, 2023 7:55 PM|
These days they do get fined if they don't bring back a certain amount of trash but a lot of these people will just take the fine, I'm sure.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||April 12, 2023 7:59 PM|
R19- Thank you.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||April 12, 2023 7:59 PM|
I get woozy going up to the "HOLLYWOOD" sign. Pass 🥴
|by Anonymous||reply 22||April 12, 2023 9:05 PM|
Bodies still not found.
243 climbers this year.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||April 13, 2023 10:56 PM|
OK, these parents are stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||April 13, 2023 11:08 PM|
I was going to ask if base camp is necessarily that dangerous, but it's near 18,000 feet - higher than I thought.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||April 13, 2023 11:36 PM|
Not Everest but Annapurna.
This thread isn't getting nearly the action it usually does.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||April 18, 2023 10:50 AM|
R5 When blind people or amputees climb Everest, I agree that it is inspiring. But, a deaf person? Big deal. Last time I checked, mountains don’t talk. I can imagine it might be a little difficult because sign language must be hard with those bug gloves, but between the hats, ear muffs, and loud wind I doubt hearing people do much talking.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||April 18, 2023 10:55 AM|
fat whores will use any excuse to be fat whores... they love being fat because uh, fit people climb mountains. yeah, that's it.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||April 18, 2023 10:55 AM|
These are rich folk who are thrilled to think if they take a dump on the mountain, it will be preserved for 100's of years after their death. That is eternity.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||April 18, 2023 11:13 AM|
I saw in a documentary about a doble amputee (from the knees down). Ended been unable to even move after the summit with his bleeding stumps, a Sherpa had to put him like a backpack to descend and save his life.
So much for being "inspiring".
If you lose your legs, "I'm climbing the Everett" to prove yourself is the most fucking stupid thing to do.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||April 18, 2023 11:27 AM|
[quote] I can still kick your fat ass, OP.
R13 YOUR ass is frozen to a snowbank, you ain’t kicking SHIT.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||April 18, 2023 11:55 AM|
I like reading about the different climbers, a combination of hope, experience and delusion.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||April 18, 2023 12:31 PM|
Is this our official Bodies on Mt Everest thread for 2023? It has been a few years since we've had a really good one, but this is one of my personal annual traditions I do not like to skip. I've grown fond of my fellow posters.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||April 18, 2023 12:41 PM|
From the article at post 26:
“ Almost four years ago, Mr Hanna accompanied Séamus ‘Shay’ Lawless (39) from Bray, Co Wicklow, who died just hours after summiting Everest. Mr Lawless, a professor of artificial intelligence at Trinity College Dublin, fell up to 500m during his descent, in an area known as the balcony.
Mr Lawless did the climb to raise up to €25,000 for the Barretstown Children’s Charity, dedicated to seriously ill children and their families. More than €200,000 was raised to fund an effort to locate Mr Lawless, but the search was eventually called off.”
What a joke. They were going to spend almost 10 times the money he raised for a good cause, just to get his body. An AI professor…supposedly an intelligent man…I wonder what his final thoughts were during that 500 metre fall….what a waste of life.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||April 18, 2023 1:42 PM|
Noel Hanna has a face I'd like to punch.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||April 18, 2023 1:44 PM|
"I can still kick your fat ass, OP." You are nothing more than signage now, a landmark for others to pause sadly in front of for a respectable minute before they move along, thinking to themselves that they will never end up like you .
|by Anonymous||reply 36||April 18, 2023 2:01 PM|
I wonder if anyone up there died in a really embarrassing position or unflattering pose and now everyone will see them that way for generations. That would suck.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||April 18, 2023 2:04 PM|
Hilariously they waste energy to push bodies like Green Boots away if they can. Out of sight, out of mind.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||April 18, 2023 2:06 PM|
The creepiest one I've read about is Hannelore Schmatz. She died sitting up and a climber wrote in a book that he had to walk past her and that her eyes were open and her hair flowing in the wind. The pic I've linked to is a much older picture where she is mummified.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||April 18, 2023 2:10 PM|
R39- That is horrific. The saddest death that I read was about Sleeping Beauty. She begged another climber not to leave her alone to die, but the climber had to because of oxygen.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||April 18, 2023 2:16 PM|
Later on some climbers covered Francys with an U.S. flag and a teddy bear. The pic of this 'burial' which I've linked to is a gruesome because you can still see her ghostly hand. Her husband Sergei also died, trying to find her. They were trying to climb Everest alone and without oxygen which is VERY risky and her 11-year-old son Paul was given the casting vote on whether his mother should go (yikes, I would not give a child that kind of responsibility).
|by Anonymous||reply 41||April 18, 2023 2:25 PM|
The wind finally push her body over the mountain.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||April 18, 2023 2:26 PM|
R42- I'm glad because I can't imagine being out on the open and on display like that for years. She was the most gruesome body on Mt. Everest that I have seen so far.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||April 18, 2023 2:34 PM|
"[R5] When blind people or amputees climb Everest, I agree that it is inspiring. But, a deaf person? Big deal. Last time I checked, mountains don’t talk. I can imagine it might be a little difficult because sign language must be hard with those bug gloves, but between the hats, ear muffs, and loud wind I doubt hearing people do much talking.
I'd think it would matter for hearing possible dangers - breaking ice, rushing snow, etc. There's a lot of auditory information that we never think about.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||April 18, 2023 2:53 PM|
Did her husband ever think 🤔 to go up and get her?
|by Anonymous||reply 45||April 18, 2023 3:01 PM|
R45- It seems like that would put others in danger, especially the Sherpas.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||April 18, 2023 3:20 PM|
This is her husband's account of the expedition (Google will translate it to English pretty well). I like how he says that she did most of the organizing and kind of whines that he had to deal with that after her death.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||April 18, 2023 3:24 PM|
This belongs here. Anyone seen Finding Michael? I found the brother tiresome.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||April 18, 2023 7:13 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 49||April 19, 2023 2:23 AM|
Record holding Sherpa talking about the rich western idiots
since 1921 around 121 Sherpas have died guiding climbers up Everest. In 2014 a single avalanche killed 16 Sherpas.
“The people who hire Sherpas climb Everest because they want to,” he says. “But, as a Sherpa, if you have the choice, you don’t want to die on that mountain.”
|by Anonymous||reply 50||April 20, 2023 6:13 AM|
Will there be more death this year because Covid weakened people’s lungs?
|by Anonymous||reply 51||April 20, 2023 7:08 AM|
2022 and 2021 were very disappointing in terms of the body count.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||April 23, 2023 8:55 AM|
[QUOTE] I'd think it would matter for hearing possible dangers - breaking ice, rushing snow, etc. There's a lot of auditory information that we never think about.
Exactly. Imagine navigating the icefall and not being able to hear the ominous crack as a serac the size of a bus began to shatter nearby.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||April 23, 2023 9:01 AM|
She ain't no K2.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||April 23, 2023 9:12 AM|
I saw the documentary made by Pippa Middleton’s brother in law. He spent a packet sending a team up to Everest’s death zone to retrieve his dead brother’s body. They couldn’t find him amongst the many corpses they basically tripped over. It wasn’t a waste though because they brought back the body of a Sherpa to his family.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||April 23, 2023 9:24 AM|
Oops sorry r48, that’s the one.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||April 23, 2023 9:27 AM|
That film was reality TV star Spencer Matthews being highly unrealistic.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||April 23, 2023 9:41 AM|
[QUOTE] Noel Hanna, 56, died in his tent at Camp 4 at 23,300 feet after summiting without supplemental oxygen. His sister, Irene, told the BBC that her brother had called, saying he was not feeling well. His body was recovered and flown to Kathmandu. The Irish climber was an experienced mountain guide and had summited Everest ten times plus K2 in 2019.
These veteran climbers make the mistake of thinking they're invincible because they've survived multiple epics as younger men. Noel Hanna should not have been on a death trap like Annapurna aged 56. That mountain killed Anatoli Boukreev and Alex McIntyre.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||April 23, 2023 9:44 AM|
I wish we knew what happened to Pete Boardman and Joe Tasker on Everest in 1982. Two of the strongest climbers in history, swallowed up near the summit on the north side.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||April 23, 2023 9:48 AM|
Swallowed might be a hint...
They wuz fuckin.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||April 23, 2023 10:03 AM|
R3 The trash on the mountain is a crime. There should be a Leave No Trace policy enacted. If a climber is not fit enough to carry their oxygen canisters back down they can pay for extra Sherpas.
And no one can summit until they have completed a climb a previous year up to Camp 3 collecting litter.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||April 23, 2023 11:26 AM|
What was on their iPod?
|by Anonymous||reply 62||April 23, 2023 3:56 PM|
Mountain MARY by Dr Hook
|by Anonymous||reply 63||April 23, 2023 4:16 PM|
Diana Ross looks like ET in that photo.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||April 23, 2023 4:50 PM|
Wonder if the Sherpas will throw rocks at anyone this year?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||April 24, 2023 10:35 AM|
Everest Base Camp is filling up as permits topped 400, a record for the Nepal side. The fixed rope was set to the South Col. I expect it to reach the summit late next week. #everest2023
- Alan Arnette, 23/4
|by Anonymous||reply 66||April 24, 2023 10:38 AM|
I looked it up and since 2014 anyone visiting Mount Everest has to pay a $4,000 deposit, and the money is refunded if the person returns with eight kilograms (18 pounds) of garbage, which is the average amount a person produces during a climb.
Also looked up the cost of climbing Everest. Alan Arnette says: "Most people pay between $30,000 and $60,000, and some will pay as much as $220,000".
|by Anonymous||reply 67||April 24, 2023 12:44 PM|
The cost is insane.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||April 24, 2023 11:01 PM|
Why don’t they fly planes with big magnets over the mountain, to suck up the empty containers?
|by Anonymous||reply 69||April 25, 2023 6:36 AM|
You can't fly up that high. It's why most of the bodies can't be removed as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||April 25, 2023 6:43 AM|
Why can’t a plane fly at that altitude?
|by Anonymous||reply 71||April 25, 2023 6:54 AM|
Everest is around 30k feet which is the cruising altitude of a passenger jet. The kind of tiny plane needed to land in the Dead Zone can't actually fly that high.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||April 25, 2023 7:04 AM|
Interest in this sort of personal goal/challenge thing escapes me entirely. And interest in other people's personal goals and challenges...nothing could be more boring.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||April 25, 2023 8:09 AM|
Go away then, Klan Granny at R73.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||April 25, 2023 9:08 PM|
Why is R73 a Klan Granny?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||April 26, 2023 1:09 AM|
Here's a documentary about the 1996 season, the Big Daddy that spawned a few books. I've read a few accounts. I was slightly obsessed. "Storm over Everest."
They have interviews with the survivors, including Beck Weathers, the Texan left for dead on two occasions. The rich lady, Sandy Something, who brought an espresso machine to base camp. There's a guy from China or Taiwan who lost a limb or two. He totally regrets the climb.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||April 26, 2023 1:29 AM|
Was that the year they filmed the Everest documentary?
|by Anonymous||reply 77||April 26, 2023 1:33 AM|
The 1996 books are fantastic. Particularly "Into Thin Air" and "The Climb."
|by Anonymous||reply 78||April 26, 2023 3:41 AM|
[quote]r72 Everest is around 30k feet which is the cruising altitude of a passenger jet. The kind of tiny plane needed to land in the Dead Zone can't actually fly that high.
They don’t have to land… just circle the slopes with big magnets and suck up the discarded metal oxygen containers. Rinse and repeat.
They have the solution and they just don’t want to do it.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||April 26, 2023 4:40 AM|
They cant circle.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||April 26, 2023 4:41 AM|
Magnets. How do they work?
|by Anonymous||reply 81||April 26, 2023 5:09 AM|
Question, R79: Why should they even bother trying to remove the tanks at this point? Seriously. The used oxygen tanks, human feces & other garbage left up there aren't affecting the flora & fauna... because there is none.
The only living things being affected by the discarded tanks/feces/garbage are the other rich, narcissistic/delusional assholes who think they've actually accomplished something (when Sherpas do all the hard work) And the trash isn't affecting their health...it's just "bumming their ride".
|by Anonymous||reply 82||April 26, 2023 5:11 AM|
R79 They really don't otherwise they'd do it already. Another big reason they can't fly there is because Everest has a lot of dangerous weather. Hurricanes, that kind of thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||April 26, 2023 6:34 AM|
It's easy to get obsessed with the 1996 disaster. Beck's book is also fascinating.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||April 26, 2023 6:41 AM|
[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]
|by Anonymous||reply 85||April 26, 2023 6:43 AM|
Small planes can only fly at 10- 20k feet and you couldn't use a passenger jet to pick up oxygen cylinders with magnets. 🤪
This is why rescues from Camp 4 and higher are impossible. You can't get helicopters up there like you can in the Alps.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||April 26, 2023 6:50 AM|
All this faux concern over Sherpas. If you sat down with them and asked if the Everest expeditions should cease, they'd throw rocks at you. In April and May they earn enough to spend the rest of the year doing nothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||April 26, 2023 6:52 AM|
Okay, yes but it feels a bit exploitative.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||April 26, 2023 6:56 AM|
r87 Yes, "doing nothing", because they are such lazy assholes and have nothing to catch up on once tourist season is over. *EYEROLL*
|by Anonymous||reply 89||April 26, 2023 9:16 AM|
There are still climbers around who want to ascend Everest and other 8000 metre peaks Alpine style, i.e. quickly with minimum equipment and no Sherpa support.
In 2013, Ueli Steck and his team were doing this and fixing their own ropes but the Sherpas hated it and started chucking rocks at them, yelling 'we are the only ones to fix ropes on this mountain!'
|by Anonymous||reply 90||April 26, 2023 12:31 PM|
And we all know what happened to Ueli Steck…
|by Anonymous||reply 91||April 26, 2023 4:04 PM|
I'd like a luxury people cruiser to the summit. I'll get off and walk 10 feet before we descend in style.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||April 26, 2023 4:31 PM|
Can't imagine how distasteful it would be to step on a lot of poop from people who had gone before me--fresh poo and poos of old, ancient poo, antique poo.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||April 26, 2023 5:25 PM|
Seriously, though, someone should start a business where they collect antique poo from Mt. Everest--like more than 100 year old poo--and sell it in a shop in San Francisco.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||April 26, 2023 5:26 PM|
[quote] collect antique poo from Mt. Everest--like more than 100 year old poo--and sell it in a shop in San Francisco.
Talk about coal to Newcastle
|by Anonymous||reply 95||April 26, 2023 6:01 PM|
[QUOTE] Can't imagine how distasteful it would be to step on a lot of poop from people who had gone before me--fresh poo and poos of old, ancient poo, antique poo.
It's all frozen, you numpty.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||April 26, 2023 8:38 PM|
Everest: a mountain of shit!
|by Anonymous||reply 97||April 26, 2023 8:41 PM|
Everest: The Shit Zone.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||April 26, 2023 8:43 PM|
Feces Mountain. What a dump.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||April 26, 2023 9:04 PM|
Why don't the put homing beacons on climbers, so if they do go crevasse diving, it would be easier to find the corpses?
|by Anonymous||reply 100||April 27, 2023 3:01 AM|
Because no one should have to risk their lives searching for those creepy fucks.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||April 27, 2023 3:41 AM|
It would be fun in a ghoulish way to go on a tour of Everest's famous dead bodies. We could go see George Mallory, 'Green Boots', 'Sleeping Beauty', etc. Of course the Very Serious climbers would scream blue murder at that.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||April 27, 2023 3:45 AM|
R102 Green boots has been moved.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||April 27, 2023 3:50 AM|
It has to feel just a bit haunted and creepy at times on that mountain of death.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||April 27, 2023 3:54 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 105||April 27, 2023 4:08 AM|
R105 And cold.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||April 27, 2023 4:13 AM|
[quote]r103 Green boots has been moved. — bastards
I think moving Green Boots and “ceremonially covering” Sleeping Beauty are a rip off. People climb a long ways to see them, and deserve their money’s worth.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||April 27, 2023 4:42 AM|
At least 310 people have died attempting to reach the summit of Mount Everest.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||April 27, 2023 7:38 AM|
Can the Scat Troll please shut the fuck up.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||April 27, 2023 7:44 AM|
The ropes are now at the South Col, and the rope team estimates tagging the summit around May 10, depending on the weather. This is slower than previous estimates.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||April 27, 2023 7:50 AM|
So if a hiker returned with a backpack of 36 pounds of frozen petrified shit after reaching the summit, would he gets his 4000 dollar deposit back and still get to keep the shit?
|by Anonymous||reply 111||April 27, 2023 9:22 AM|
Shit gets matted up.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||April 27, 2023 10:43 AM|
Whoops, wrong thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||April 27, 2023 3:19 PM|
R113 Perfect thread.
Mountain climbing politics. Kinda agree with him, but he sounds like a dick.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||April 28, 2023 10:49 PM|
These Alpine purists.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||April 29, 2023 4:39 PM|
R114- Honestly I feel that is very arrogant of him and he has no right to remove them. He isn't the one responsible for the safety of others.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||April 29, 2023 4:55 PM|
Removing safety measures beyond arrogant of that asshole French climber, it's actively endangering the lives of others! He thinks he's protecting the mountain, but what he's doing is endangering less skilled climbers.
'Which he is probably egotistical and territorial enough to think he has the right to do, it's the ultimate subculture "gatekeeping"! Only instead of just being an asshole to the noobs, he was trying to get them out of the subculture by making it more physically dangerous to be there.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||April 29, 2023 6:03 PM|
He is a Mountain Karen
|by Anonymous||reply 118||April 29, 2023 6:28 PM|
R117- Well stated, you you said it much better than I did. The audacity of that man.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||April 29, 2023 6:40 PM|
Thank you, R119, and I'm very glad he's being prosecuted.
There's no keeping the arrogant assholes of the world from "gatekeeping", but he's taken it to a level that's beyond inexcusable, and actually criminal. He and anyone who agrees with him needs to learn a short, sharp, lesson.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||April 29, 2023 6:45 PM|
[QUOTE] He is a Mountain Karen
Nah, the Karens would be the ones wanting a ladder of safety gear right to the top.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||April 29, 2023 8:44 PM|
R120- He is damn lucky no one was hurt because of him.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||April 29, 2023 8:55 PM|
Everest teams are doing the usual acclimatization rotations but are seeing heavy attrition that will ease crowding concerns. There’s a new level of base camp luxuries that might be beyond the pale for some purists. Heavy snow is forecasted on Dhaulagiri, stalling movement there. Overall, it’s been a low-drama year, thankfully.
**** What do you mean, Alan Arnette? We WANT the drama! We also want the deets on these new base camp luxuries and the 'attrition' and its causes? Are climbers being sent back down the mountain due to AMS?
I think Alan A might be suffering the early effects of dementia because his blog isn't nearly as detailed as it usually is.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||May 1, 2023 12:29 AM|
Another death, and yet again he's too old to be climbing Everest:
An American, Jonathan Sugarman, 69, died at Camp 2 on Everest on Tuesday, May 1, 2023. He was climbing with International Mountain Guides. The retired MD from the Seattle area trained diligently for the expedition and was feeling well. Last year, he summited Lobuche and Island Peak and reached Camp 3 on Everest. #everest2023
|by Anonymous||reply 124||May 2, 2023 11:20 AM|
Did he die from HACE or HAPE!
|by Anonymous||reply 125||May 2, 2023 6:06 PM|
Our our HATE?
|by Anonymous||reply 126||May 2, 2023 8:58 PM|
We don't know if it was HAPE or HACE because Alan Arnette is disappointingly short on detail this year.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||May 2, 2023 9:51 PM|
US mountaineer dies on Mount Everest. 14 hours ago
A 69-year-old climber died after falling ill at a camp, at around 6,400 meters, as he prepared to tackle the world's tallest mountain. Link below:
|by Anonymous||reply 128||May 2, 2023 9:55 PM|
Surprise surprise, and old doctor. Shoulda stuck to golfing, gramps - or getting your PPL.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||May 3, 2023 12:02 AM|
The U.S. Embassy in Kathmandu, Nepal, identified Jonathan Sugarman as the mountaineer who died at Camp 2, which sits at roughly 21,000 feet on the 29,035-foot peak.
IMG founder Eric Simonson said the death was not caused by a climbing accident or route conditions that could impact the safety of other climbers.
This is the fourth death on Everest this year. Three Sherpas died in the Icefall on April 12.
I hope they rescue his toupee and Just for Men beard coloring kit.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||May 3, 2023 12:11 AM|
Is the Icefall the terrifying section out of base camp that is connected by ladders?
|by Anonymous||reply 131||May 4, 2023 5:12 PM|
Exactly, R131. You've got to get across this festival of crevasses to even attempt the mountain, and that's done mainly with ladders tied together. And apparently you can't crawl over the rocks on the side of the icefall, because the danger of avalanches is too high.
NO. NO THANK YOU.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||May 4, 2023 9:43 PM|
I'll be at the bar, thanks.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||May 4, 2023 11:48 PM|
[QUOTE] And apparently you can't crawl over the rocks on the side of the icefall, because the danger of avalanches is too high.
'Crawl' lol - nope. That route involves some highly technical climbing but has been done.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||May 5, 2023 12:23 AM|
Teams are now scattered all over the Big Hill, working on their acclimatization, from EBC to Camp 3 just below the Lhotse Face. A spat of bad weather slowed some teams for a couple of days, but nothing serious.
However, over on Dhaulagiri, reports from base camp note five feet of snow in the last few days. Carlos Soria must be quite nervous given this is his fourteenth at, and he’s 84 years old.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||May 5, 2023 12:31 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 136||May 9, 2023 10:51 AM|
It sounds like there's nothing doing right now. One of the companies has taken its climbers down from Camp 2 to BELOW Camp 1, to get in some "thicker air" and prepare themselves for any summit opportunities later. They are also nervously monitoring a hurricane in the Bay of Bengal.
Seems like all bets are off for the moment.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||May 9, 2023 2:52 PM|
Oh I was looking for an iteration of dead bodies on Everest thread like we normally have. This is good too. So 4 dead this year and it's not even summit time.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||May 9, 2023 3:18 PM|
This is a really interesting article.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||May 9, 2023 4:48 PM|
I worry about the effect of trash and litter left behind. I don't give a shit about the idiot narcissistic A-types that insist on spending thousands to go up and see nothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||May 9, 2023 5:26 PM|
Perhaps Yeti will grab some of their asses.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||May 9, 2023 5:37 PM|
[QUOTE] They are also nervously monitoring a hurricane in the Bay of Bengal
I was in the Maldives at Easter once and the island was lashed by a hurricane that originated in the Bay of Bengal. Pretty sure that's what happened in 1996 too. Jon Krakauer described hearing some terrifying thunder on his way down the mountain.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||May 10, 2023 11:22 PM|
After watching this clip through Khumbu icefall, I can see how one misstep could mean death:
|by Anonymous||reply 143||May 11, 2023 4:45 PM|
^^ Imagine if there were crap conditions with blowing snow and gusty winds. No wonder people miss the “trail” and become lost in whiteouts.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||May 11, 2023 10:25 PM|
As forecasted, the winds have let up, allowing the rope team to continue fixing it to the summit. This will open the mountain for scores for clients with one or more Sherpas in support. Look for a busy first wave of summits over the next few days.
The question is, how many people will be on their summit push this weekend? Almost every team has completed their acclimatization programs and is ready. The lack of fixed rope to the summit and high winds above Camp 3 has stalled everyone, frustrating some team leaders. Some forecasts have acceptable summit winds, under 30 mph/48 kph through May 20. If this pans out, there will be plenty of time for everyone to have their shot at the top. Thus, it becomes an opportunity for the team leaders to cooperate and coordinate their summit pushes.
Nepal issued 467 permits, and each foreigner, aka client or member, has at least one Sherpa climbing with them. Some have two or more. Last year’s final statistics showed 683 summits on the Nepal side.
- Alan Arnette
|by Anonymous||reply 145||May 12, 2023 12:18 PM|
Hopefully there won't be a long queue to summit, as has been the issue in the past, pre-Covid.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||May 12, 2023 4:26 PM|
[quote]Hopefully there won't be a long queue to summit
Given the high numbers there will be. And there should because it's a joke now.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||May 12, 2023 8:48 PM|
A unique adventure
|by Anonymous||reply 148||May 13, 2023 2:10 AM|
That's Chilkoot Pass which prospectors and packers used during the gold mining rush to get through the mountains.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||May 13, 2023 3:36 AM|
R148 they look like ants.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||May 13, 2023 5:48 AM|
Could they find Julian Sands on Mt. Everest?
Is anyone LOOKING??
|by Anonymous||reply 151||May 13, 2023 6:02 AM|
I'd rather mount Everett.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||May 13, 2023 6:16 AM|
Guy Cotter: "We just discovered we’ve had a cache of gear stolen from South Col. Tents, stoves, pots and gas all gone. The thieves do not consider the impacts this might have on the safety of our people when they arrive to find this vital equipment gone. This is the work of cheap operators who do not have enough of their own equipment and have to steal to cover the shortfall. I think this may only be the start, we already hear of some of the large cheap operators not having enough oxygen to supply this teams. Anyone joining a cheap operator is as much to blame as the thieves themselves."
|by Anonymous||reply 153||May 14, 2023 1:01 AM|
[quote]Guy Cotter: "We just discovered we’ve had a cache of gear stolen from South Col. Tents, stoves, pots and gas all gone.”
[quote]”The thieves do not consider the impacts this might have on the safety of our people when they arrive to find this vital equipment gone.”
Or, they did.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||May 14, 2023 1:43 AM|
I hope they didn't have their espresso machines stolen!
|by Anonymous||reply 155||May 14, 2023 6:14 AM|
So Everest has come to that, tens of thousand of people on the mountain, all shitting on the trail and stealing each other's oxygen!
A sacred mountain is exploited this way. The Gods must have a hell of a Karmic bitchslap in store for the whole Everest industry.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||May 14, 2023 6:17 AM|
I wonder if they’ll run into the guys whole stole their gear. It’s basically one trail up/down.
Maybe there’ll be a brawl!
|by Anonymous||reply 157||May 14, 2023 6:28 AM|
Indian and Nepalese expeditions are suspected of stealing the Americans' gear.
It looks like ten people summited Everest in the leading part of the first wave. Scores, if not over a hundred, are staged at Camp 2, waiting for the South Col camps to be fully stocked. The weather continues to hold with good conditions and winds under the 30 mph threshold through May 20. Many teams are eyeing Wednesday, May 17th for their summit day. Look for summits each day this week. #everest2023
Arnette, 14 May
|by Anonymous||reply 158||May 15, 2023 2:56 AM|
Guy Cotter was on Rob Hall's team during the fatal 1996 summit season. He was at basecamp on the satellite phone with Hall telling him that the rescue mission that would save his life is no longer coming.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||May 15, 2023 8:18 AM|
Rob Hall, silly sausage.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||May 15, 2023 8:26 AM|
We do and did R156. We caused the 96 disaster because that whore Sandy Pittman was boinking someone on the mountain.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||May 15, 2023 2:47 PM|
We want DEATH, not mundane successful summits!
|by Anonymous||reply 162||May 15, 2023 10:37 PM|
There's people every year who bail once they're pretty far into it. Like they get to Camp 3 or 4 and they're "um, you not what, I'm not gonna do this." I always respect that. It has to be based on they just don't like they're chances.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||May 15, 2023 10:39 PM|
I meant "um, you know what ..."
|by Anonymous||reply 164||May 15, 2023 10:39 PM|
Yeah R164 but those people have usually paid at least 100k and at that point the sherpa can short rope them, it's weird they'd bail them. I'm shocked this is the first year of deaths in the icefall, that to me is the most dangerous part and it's in camp 2 I think. Getting over that would be the worst part, I wouldn't bail once I got to the death zone.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||May 16, 2023 4:59 AM|
You can at least breathe in the icefall though.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||May 16, 2023 5:03 AM|
[QUOTE] I'm shocked this is the first year of deaths in the icefall, that to me is the most dangerous part and it's in camp 2 I think
The Icefall is on the way to Camp Two, not in Camp 2. It's not as dangerous as the Dead Zone as the altitude is much lower.
There were over 20 deaths in the icefall in 2014 following a serac collapse.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||May 16, 2023 5:08 AM|
Oh right R167, I forgot about 2014. Yeah I'm shocked there arent more. And don't they go over it a few times as they acclimatize up and down the mountain? Yeah, fuck that.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||May 16, 2023 5:13 AM|
An unexpected storm hit the hill but alas, no fatalities:
As the saying goes, if you must predict the future, do it early and often. Even some of the best weather forecasters may have missed this high-wind episode that stalled most climbing on Monday. But don’t blame them too much as pockets of winds can develop unexpectedly and suddenly.
However, four members of the Nepali army did summit supported by four Sherpas bringing the season total to at least twenty-nine, including the rope team.. #everest2023
|by Anonymous||reply 169||May 16, 2023 5:15 AM|
Listen to the Sherpas.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||May 18, 2023 9:26 PM|
Great photo of the lomh line of climbers. Dr McGinley also complains about inexperienced climbers who cannot put on crampons.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||May 18, 2023 9:34 PM|
"alas, no fatalities"
Really? You're WISHING people would die?
Yeah, rich people climbing mountains is kinda gross but...wishing them to die for your amusement is disgusting.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||May 18, 2023 9:38 PM|
R172 ...are you new to these threads?
|by Anonymous||reply 173||May 18, 2023 9:41 PM|
The woman at r170 was an absolute moron. Can you imagine babysitting her for 12 hours when the guides could do it in 20 mins!? Selfish.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||May 18, 2023 10:33 PM|
R172, I thin you might prefer any of a number of threads other than this one. Not to tell you your business, but I think the dark humor on this thread, as is tradition, will just disturb and upset you.
If you are one of our local no-fun hall monitors, itching for scold-drama, there are a few dozen threads about Harry and Meghan that need someone just like you.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||May 18, 2023 11:18 PM|
[QUOTE] Really? You're WISHING people would die?
Begone, sanctimonious frau. Did you not even read the opening post?
|by Anonymous||reply 176||May 18, 2023 11:22 PM|
"Suzanne, who had climbed up to 5,800 metres, a little above the Mt Everest base camp, was forcibly airlifted on Wednesday evening to Lukla town and was admitted to a hospital for treatment, said Dendi Sherpa, Chairman of Glacier Himalayan Trek, the expedition organiser."
So this arrogant fool had to be removed from Everest by force? Like an involuntary sectioning.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||May 18, 2023 11:28 PM|
She was ABORTED!
|by Anonymous||reply 178||May 19, 2023 12:34 AM|
There have been three other deaths:
Phurba Sherpa (Nepal) died above Camp III on May 16th
Victor Brinza (Moldova) died from illness at Camp IV on May 17th
Xuebin Chen (China), 52, died from a fall near South Summit on May 18th
|by Anonymous||reply 179||May 19, 2023 12:40 AM|
Dr. Jonathan Sugarman was a good man and from my hometown.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||May 19, 2023 12:59 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 181||May 19, 2023 2:22 AM|
This death could have been avoided. Which raises the question: Should women be allowed to hike?
|by Anonymous||reply 182||May 19, 2023 2:59 AM|
Should men be allowed to hike? Sugarman was too old to climb Everest but still did it.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||May 19, 2023 3:02 AM|
It is decided. Both men and women are henceforth banned from hiking.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||May 19, 2023 3:29 AM|
A lot of Indian climbers die on Everest. They don't tend to prepare properly or they skimp on equipment and oxygen. Green Boots was an Indian man.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||May 19, 2023 3:53 AM|
They are OFF the list! No Indian men!!
|by Anonymous||reply 186||May 19, 2023 3:54 AM|
Sixth and Seventh Deaths of the Season
- On Tuesday, a Sherpa died bringing trash down from the mountain.
- On Wednesday, a Moldovan climber died at Camp Four en route to the top.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||May 19, 2023 4:01 AM|
No Sherpas…. No Moldovans.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||May 19, 2023 4:11 AM|
I just checked and after Nepal (about 123), India is the nationality with the most deaths on Everest (25). Then USA (20), Japan (20), UK (18), China (13), South Korea (11).
|by Anonymous||reply 189||May 19, 2023 4:16 AM|
Maybe We can get Dinesh D'Souza, Nikki Haley, Ajit Pai, and Bobby Jindal interested in climbing…
|by Anonymous||reply 190||May 19, 2023 4:47 AM|
R185 I miss Green Boots....
|by Anonymous||reply 191||May 19, 2023 6:26 AM|
New death. Malaysian climber Ag Askandar Bin Ampuan Yaacub died from illness at South Col on May 19th.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||May 20, 2023 2:58 AM|
Christ, more people are dying from not even being physically up for the challenges of being on the mountain, let alone climbing the fucking thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||May 20, 2023 3:25 AM|
I told Nepal those handicap ramps were a bad idea
|by Anonymous||reply 194||May 20, 2023 3:37 AM|
Another Malaysian is missing: "A deaf and mute Malaysian climber, who stood atop Mt Everest on May 18, has gone missing from South Col. According to Nivesh Karki, director at Pioneer Adventure Pvt Ltd, Muhammad Hawari Bin Hashim, 33, has gone missing since yesterday when he arrived at Camp IV."
|by Anonymous||reply 195||May 20, 2023 8:09 AM|
[quote] "A deaf and mute Malaysian climber,"
The sign for "help" is made by closing your left hand into an "A." Place the outstretched palm of your right hand under the left "A" hand and raise both hands.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||May 20, 2023 8:18 AM|
It'll be different in Malaysian sign language though. Even BSL (British Sign Language) is completely different to ASL (American Sign Language).
|by Anonymous||reply 197||May 20, 2023 11:44 AM|
R196 I think waving weakly as your spirit leaves your frozen body will convey the same message.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||May 20, 2023 1:53 PM|
A mountaineering expedition led by world-record-holding Nepalse climber Nimsdai Purja carried out a high-altitude rescue after they discovered a struggling climber near the South Summit of Mount Everest in Nepal on Tuesday, May 16.
Purja is a veteran mountaineer who has climbed all 14 of the world’s “death zone” peaks (those over 8,000 meters, where oxygen is insufficient to sustain human life more than 20 hours).
His expedition encountered a stranded Nepalese army captain named Dipendra Singh Khatri at the South Summit (8,749 m) of Mount Everest while descending from the summit.
"Together we brought the climber all the way down to Camp 4 (7,950 m) and there we handed the climber into the care of two Sherpas from the other guiding company," Purja said. “I am very proud of my elite exped team and clients – on the mountain we are all one community and we look out for each other.”
Purja has since posted a picture to Instagram of himself and Khatri, who is in recovery after being medically evacuated from lower down Mount Everest.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||May 20, 2023 2:34 PM|
I thought they didn't rescue people who got in over their heads? I mean I know that cunt Beck Weathers was rescued but it's too dangerous and if people go up there it's a tacit agreement that it's every man for himself. I'd feel like such a dick if a dangerous rescue flight had to be launched for me.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||May 20, 2023 2:37 PM|
Some attempt may be made to rescue some people, depending on the circumstances.
But basically, if you can't walk off the mountain yourself, you die there. Nobody's carrying anybody else.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||May 20, 2023 2:46 PM|
[QUOTE] I thought they didn't rescue people who got in over their heads?
Nimsdai Purja is the exception to every rule. Probably the most talented mountaineer there has e ever been. Led the first winter ascent of K2 and climbed all the 8000 metre peaks in six months (the previous record was seven years). He's Nepalese so no hate please.
He saw a fellow countryman in trouble and knew his team had the skills to get this guy down the mountain, so of course he was going to help.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||May 20, 2023 2:51 PM|
Oh yeah, no hate R202, I mean good for him. So whats the death toll at now? It may be in the 96 season numbers. 9?
|by Anonymous||reply 203||May 20, 2023 2:57 PM|
Yes R193. I remember a few years ago a quadriplegic summited! All on their own, I'm sure. We all have dreams but need to know our limitations. I'm sure some blind people have wanted to pilot planes, but they can't.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||May 20, 2023 2:59 PM|
R203 - still only seven.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||May 20, 2023 3:04 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 206||May 20, 2023 3:04 PM|
15 people died during the 1996 season.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||May 20, 2023 3:06 PM|
"The German Woman", Hannelore Schmatz
"Green Boots", possibly Tsewang Paljor
"Sleeping Beauty", Francys Arsentiev
|by Anonymous||reply 208||May 20, 2023 3:07 PM|
Oh thanks R206 and R207.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||May 20, 2023 3:08 PM|
Those parents that took their kids, need their asses KICKED! Ignorant ass people.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||May 20, 2023 3:55 PM|
A Singaporean climber, Shrinivas Sainis, 39, an executive director at a real estate firm, is missing as well. He contacted his wife to tell her that he had summited but also that he was not likely to make it back down.
[quote]On the missing Singaporean climber issue, his wife Sushma, a 36-year-old musician, said: “Through his satellite phone, he told me that he had made it to the summit. But then he followed with bad news, saying he would not be able to make it down.” She added that he told her he had come down with high altitude cerebral edema (Hace), a severe type of high altitude illness that could prove fatal. She learnt at 2am on Saturday that the two sherpas he was with as well as another person in the group made it down from the mountain, but her husband never did.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||May 20, 2023 5:39 PM|
About to watch this film. My only question is why do this.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||May 20, 2023 7:38 PM|
So the horse is doing all the work.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||May 20, 2023 7:49 PM|
R213 He seems to have confused prejudice with reality.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||May 20, 2023 7:54 PM|
Horrifying to think of what the guy in the story at R211 was going through with the HACE--that high altitude sickness includes inability to walk, loss of balance, and high sensitivity to light. Basically the worst type of symptoms to endure right after summit and yet he was still mentally able to understand his life was over and to call his wife to tell her he wasn't making it down. They were both only in their 30's. Totally tragic and preventable death and suffering.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||May 21, 2023 1:22 AM|
R215, but aren’t they all? What I mean to say is, aren’t they all preventable, every single one? That’s what gets me and I think everyone else. These people understand how high the risks are, but they go in spite of the knowledge that they may die. It’s kind of like watching people jump into a human-sized blender. Am I supposed to applaud? Grieve? Roll my eyes?
And yet, having said all of that, I get why people love mountaineering. It is truly beautiful, there’s nothing else like it. And I think getting lost into the process of the climb has to be an incredible mental high because you are in a state of Flow.
But yeah….I have yet to read one of these annual threads where my emotions are different. I’m always caught between horror and cynicism when a climber dies. Is it that they really think they are invincible?
|by Anonymous||reply 216||May 21, 2023 3:58 AM|
[quote] Is it that they really think they are invincible?
International yuppies with too much money totally focused on how afterward they will be able to lord this over their friends
(not counting the Chinese and Nepalese soldiers sent up to remind the other of sovereignty claims)
|by Anonymous||reply 217||May 21, 2023 4:07 AM|
"Is it that they really think they are invincible?"
Like I said on the Julian Sands threads, you can only make that fatal mistake *once*! Everty time you make a mistake and survive it, it can add to a feeling of overconfidence, and after a while, a person who's fit and who's met many challenges can greatly overestimate their odds.
Just because your last mistake in a dangerous environment wasn't fatal, doesn't mean your next one won't be.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||May 21, 2023 4:29 AM|
I think a lot of these climbers are suicidal exhibitionists who hope they’ll die on the mountain and be on display for decades to come.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||May 21, 2023 4:35 AM|
To be fair though it s a below 1% chance of dying if you climb above Base Camp. So most people do survive Everest. I'm basing that on the calculations in this article. A lot of other mountains are statistically more dangerous to climb. Nanga Parbat for example has 1 death for every 5 successful summits.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||May 21, 2023 7:06 AM|
"it s a below 1% chance of dying if you climb above Base Camp. So most people do survive Everest."
But what are the odds of dying if you're a Sherpa, who climbs above Base Camp every year for decades, and stays at in the Death Zone far longer than any paying climber?
I can see why a lot of Sherpa people are sick of the whole overcommercialized business. Too many of them die, and if they die they die for no reason except Xtreme Tourism.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||May 21, 2023 7:28 AM|
R221 Sherpas are included in the analysis - check out the article I linked to. Sherpas do have a lower chance of dying than other climbers.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||May 21, 2023 8:21 AM|
Australia to represent today! Jason Bernard Kennison, 40, fell ill and died on the Balcony.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||May 21, 2023 5:57 PM|
So, what's the death count so far for 2023?
Is there a site that keeps a total.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||May 22, 2023 12:36 AM|
10. It says so in that article and someone linked to a wikipedia article too upthread.
I'm guessing that the two missing climbers are probably dead too but that's unconfirmed.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||May 22, 2023 12:45 AM|
[quote]r211 Missing… He contacted his wife to tell her that he had summited but also that he was not likely to make it back down.
A touching love story.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||May 22, 2023 1:23 AM|
The Australian was given a second chance for life. Now throws it away.
Jason, who was with two Sherpa guides, started showing abnormal behavior from the South Summit and Sherpa guides brought him to the Balcony area. "They ran out of oxygen and bringing supplement bottles from Camp IV couldn't be possible due to excessive winds," Sherpa said, adding that two of his guides descended to Camp IV without taking any risk to their lives. Jason, who collapsed near the balcony area, refused to move with Sherpa guides, he added. Jason's remains are still in the Balcony area.
𝐽𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑒𝑑𝑙𝑦 𝑠𝑢𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑚𝑢𝑙𝑡𝑖𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑏𝑟𝑜𝑘𝑒𝑛 𝑏𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎 𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑑 𝑖𝑛𝑗𝑢𝑟𝑦 𝑎𝑓𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑜𝑎𝑑 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑖𝑛 2006 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑦𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦, ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑛 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑡𝑜 𝑤𝑎𝑙𝑘 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛. He aimed at raising funds for Spinal Cord Injuries Australia to help others who are in similar situations, reports said.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||May 22, 2023 2:16 AM|
R227 These people with disabilities trying to climb her, fucking idiots.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||May 22, 2023 3:52 AM|
I feel the word tragedy is overused. As in the r227 headline.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||May 22, 2023 5:58 AM|
"[Australian channel]Nine has yanked a National Geographic documentary from its Tuesday schedule.
Lost on Everest was originally scheduled to follow The Summit tomorrow night. But news reports today of the tragic death of an Australian Everest trekker, Jason Bernard Kennison, on Friday, appear to have led to a scheduling change.
It has now replaced with a repeat of Million Dollar Murders, “Collateral Damage” at 8:45pm."
--Somehow I found that unintentionally funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||May 22, 2023 6:04 AM|
The Summit is some great trash TV, they keep talking about how they will summit a mountain to win cash, so far, no snow on the mountain.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||May 22, 2023 6:27 AM|
R230 That Lost On Everest show is so stupid. You keep trying to make you think, is that pile of rocks Mallory, and it never is.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||May 22, 2023 6:29 AM|
Nine deaths so far this season. Higher than 2021 and 2022. That Jason guy clearly had a death wish.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||May 22, 2023 6:31 AM|
Alan Arnette is reporting 'ten or eleven deaths and several missing.'
"The death toll climbed to ten, perhaps eleven, for the spring 2023 season, with multiple climbers missing. Wednesday, May 24th, may be the last summit day this season. #everest2022"
|by Anonymous||reply 234||May 22, 2023 6:35 AM|
R234 The climbers just seem to keep wandering away and dying....now.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||May 22, 2023 6:51 AM|
[quote] ... keep trying to make you think, is that pile of rocks Mallory, and it never is.
They already found Mallory some years ago. But I don't believe they specified the location, probably to keep others away.
There is a possibility that another climber (Chinese, perhaps) found Irvine years ago.
It would be great if they could find the camera. I remember reading that Kodak believed they could still develop the film, if it has been preserved.
The film might prove that Mallory and Irvine were the first to reach the summit of Mount Everest.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||May 22, 2023 9:25 PM|
Really? They found George? Well, it makes the documentary even more worthless.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||May 22, 2023 9:42 PM|
This guy is almost certainly dead too:
Mr Shrinivas Sainis Dattatraya summited the 8,849m peak on Friday (May 19). He then seemingly sustained frostbite and altitude sickness, became separated from his group and fell down at around 8,000m, said his cousin Divya Bharath in a petition on the Change.org website.
On Monday evening, Ms Sushma wrote in an Instagram Story on her personal account that the search for her husband was still ongoing. She also thanked everyone for their support.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||May 23, 2023 6:26 AM|
R238 That was already posted in R211
|by Anonymous||reply 239||May 23, 2023 6:37 AM|
So it's at eleven right? My friend just texted me the Rob Hall's group of summiters...too bad Rob never got to. I think like 4 of the adventure consultant people made it. Today is the last safe day right? Or should I say "safe" cause there's no fucking safe time to do this shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||May 23, 2023 6:41 AM|
I think it's probably 12 because there's no word that the missing deaf guy has been found.
Arnette says Weds 24th may be the last day.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||May 23, 2023 6:59 AM|
[quote]It comes down to snow, temperature, and wind. "Mount Everest protrudes into the stratosphere, and most of the year the summit is buffeted by winds of over 100 miles per hour that will kill a climber in minutes or even hurtle them into the void," All told Popular Mechanics. "It is only during the onset or cession of the Asian Monsoon that these winds die down and allow climbers short seven- to 10-day windows to climb the mountain."
[quote]The highest recorded wind speed at the summit was a 175 mph in February 2004. For reference, a Category 5 hurricane has sustained wind speeds of at least 157 mph. Throughout the winter, hurricane-force winds pummel the summit for three days out of four.
[quote]The two windows in which those wild winds die down happen in May and September. But snow falls during the September calm, so fresh snow drifts offset the break from the wind. That's why so many people try the ascent in May, All says.
[quote]The monsoon season also provides survivable temperatures. The Everest summit temperature ranges from an average of minus 4 F to minus 31 F, but the temperature is generally warmer as the winds blow more gently from the end of May until the third week of October, according to weather reports.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||May 23, 2023 12:08 PM|
New confirmed death (unfortunately a Sherpa): Ang Kami Sherpa who was working to clean the mountain. He died from a fall at Camp II.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||May 23, 2023 12:14 PM|
So the toll is 11 and two still missing? Lucky number 13. Too bad so many sherpas died this year.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||May 23, 2023 4:32 PM|
Far more sherpas die overall although it's still proportionately lower a % than foreign climbers - it's just that there are just so many of them on the mountain supporting foreign climbers.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||May 23, 2023 11:55 PM|
Now we don't need to go, just use this!
|by Anonymous||reply 246||May 23, 2023 11:57 PM|
It's good but I wish there was a tour or at least a list of links to go to the places we hear about. It's rather sanitized too - no dead bodies or trash. They don't like those. They'd rather push them out of sight.
|by Anonymous||reply 247||May 24, 2023 12:10 AM|
Ha, I agree R247! Let us see Green Boots (or is he gone now?) and empty oxygen and human shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 248||May 24, 2023 12:11 AM|
R248 that will cost you around 50000 dollars, only the rich allowed to see those awesome sights.
|by Anonymous||reply 249||May 24, 2023 12:40 AM|
Go left at the frozen German.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||May 24, 2023 7:21 PM|
It is insane that people do this.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||May 24, 2023 11:02 PM|
I know this post was way back at r200, but Beck Weathers wasn’t rescued, he basically rescued himself.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||May 24, 2023 11:11 PM|
They sent a chopper though right R252? Which is something they aren't really supposed to do. And Beck shouldn't have even been there since he just had that eye surgery so I have no sympathy for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||May 24, 2023 11:22 PM|
Beck W was heli-rescued from Camp 2. It was rare at the time but there have been plenty of rescues from Camp 2 since. There were dozens after the avalanche messed up the Icefall in 2015.
Weathers spent the night in an open bivouac, in a blizzard, with his face and hands exposed. When he awoke, he managed to walk down to Camp IV under his own power. His fellow climbers said that his frozen hand and nose looked and felt as if they were made of porcelain, and they did not expect him to survive. His nose appeared like a piece of charcoal and his cheeks were black. His hands were so frozen his peers described his hands as "the hands of a dead man."
With that assumption, they only tried to make him comfortable until he died, but he survived another freezing night alone in a tent, unable to eat, drink, or keep himself covered with the sleeping bags with which he was provided. His cries for help could not be heard above the blizzard, and his companions were surprised to find him alive and coherent the following day.
Weathers was later helped to walk, on frozen feet, to a lower camp, where he was a subject of one of the highest altitude medical evacuations ever performed by helicopter. Following his helicopter evacuation from the Western Cwm, his right arm was amputated halfway between the elbow and wrist. All four fingers and his thumb on his left hand were amputated, as well as parts of both feet. His nose was amputated and reconstructed with tissue from his ear and forehead.[7
|by Anonymous||reply 254||May 25, 2023 5:24 AM|
That's horrific R254. I bet he regretted that climb, to have to live like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||May 25, 2023 5:52 AM|
In his book he said that prior to the accident he was depressed and alienated whereas after he felt more content and closer to his family. He had no real choice to be close to them, in my opinion. His wife has to do everything for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||May 25, 2023 5:59 AM|
R256 Jesus, what a cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 257||May 25, 2023 6:22 AM|
[quote]An ongoing search and rescue mission for deaf climber Muhammad Hawari Hisham who disappeared after conquering Mount Everest last week will end on May 28, according to officials. Youth and Sports Ministry secretary-general K Nagulendran said the government today channelled RM1.48 million to the expedition organiser Altitude Exploration Club to assist in the mission launched following Hawari's disappearance on May 18.
Christ, that's a lot of money - I don't like that the government is spending it on these people. And he's almost certainly dead. Well, he has 3 more days to turn up now and will probably be announced as another death then even if not found.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||May 25, 2023 8:45 AM|
A Hungarian climber has been missing for two days now too.
[quote]Szilárd Suhajda set off for the 8,848-metre summit of Mount Everest in Nepal at 9 PM local time on Tuesday evening. At the time of publishing our story, the Hungarian climber has been missing for 45 hours. To make matters worse, he’s out there without emergency oxygen or personal Sherpa support, so he has to carry his equipment and cope with the elements entirely alone.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||May 25, 2023 4:39 PM|
R251 It's more insane that people do this and get into trouble and then lives are lost and money gets pissed away trying to rescue them. Let them freeze.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||May 25, 2023 5:13 PM|
Video of a sherpa having to carry one of the bodies down the mountain on his back.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||May 25, 2023 5:13 PM|
Video of the crowding on Everest
|by Anonymous||reply 262||May 25, 2023 5:15 PM|
R259 To make matters worse, he actually had to carry his own shit....oh the humanity.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||May 25, 2023 7:51 PM|
Canada to represent today!
The official death toll is now 12 with 3 still missing.
[quote]A Canadian climber died above Camp III on Mt Everest on May 25, taking the season's death toll to 12, officials said. At least two Nepali climbers and three foreigners are still missing in the high camps of Mt Everest. Petrus Albertyn Swart from Canada breathed his last after he fell ill above Camp IV, said the base camp sources.The Vancouver-based climber suffered from high altitude sickness while heading for the summit push and was helped to descend to Camp IV, sources said, adding that he then died on his way to Camp III. The climber was a part of an expedition managed by Madison Mountaineering, sources claimed.
|by Anonymous||reply 264||May 26, 2023 5:16 AM|
Dr. Petrus Albertyn Swart, Dept. of Anesthesia, Vancouver
|by Anonymous||reply 265||May 26, 2023 5:22 AM|
So there's only been 2 deaths so far?
|by Anonymous||reply 266||May 26, 2023 5:55 AM|
If you exclude freak events (like the 2014 avalanche that killed 15 sherpas and the 2015 earthquake/avalanche that killed 19 people at Base Camp), 12+ is high - most people seem to be dying from altitude-related issues.
The Malaysian and Singaporean have been missing for 8 days now, the Hungarian for 3 days.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||May 26, 2023 6:03 AM|
R267 Never forget '96.
|by Anonymous||reply 268||May 26, 2023 10:08 AM|
Yep, '96 was the worst year that didn't have a freak incident. 15 people died that year so this year could match that if the 3 missing are confirmed dead.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||May 26, 2023 11:34 AM|
Always fucking doctors.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||May 26, 2023 11:47 AM|
Here's a picture of the Canadian doctor. And he was 64-years-old...
|by Anonymous||reply 271||May 26, 2023 10:12 PM|
[quote] he was 64-years-old...
and now frozen in time
|by Anonymous||reply 272||May 27, 2023 2:27 AM|
It's Over. The search for the Hungarian, Suhajda Szilárd, 40, has been ended, thereby adding him to the list of dead.
Pretty sure we'll be able to add the Malaysian tomorrow once his search officially ends.
|by Anonymous||reply 273||May 27, 2023 3:39 PM|
The Singaporean's wife confirms that he is dead:
“And now, Shri is in the mountains, where he felt most at home.” (Yes, frozen on the mountain and not with his wife and kids.)
|by Anonymous||reply 274||May 27, 2023 4:03 PM|
So, has climbing finished now?
|by Anonymous||reply 275||May 27, 2023 8:07 PM|
Interesting stat - as of 2019, of the 212 climbers who attempted to summit Everest without oxygen, 160 died. This resulted in a fatality rate of approximately 75.5%. Relevant because the Hungarian was climbing without oxygen or personal sherpa support. That was very high risk.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||May 27, 2023 9:13 PM|
Father of the missing climber Szilárd Suhajda, Tibor Suhajda, had left an emotional message for his son stranded near the summit of Mount Everest. Although a rescue mission is on its way to the Hungarian mountaineer, hopes for his safe return are fading.
“What you could you be going through now! Successes and failures? Let go now and think only of yourself, of survival, concentrate! Keeping the country together, friends and relatives – WE ARE WITH YOU and I PRAY, PRAY FOR YOU that my little grandson, your son Soma, can slap you in the palm of your hand again – that hello “daddy” is back home… With tears in my eyes, I share the current, encouraging news… We love you and are waiting for you at home. Hold on, you are strong!”, reads the message of the the climber’s worried father.
The last group of sherpas to see Mr. Suhajda alive saw him only a short distance from the summit, but he was reportedly way off the right track, without oxygen mask, had signs of frostbite and was suffering from mountain sickness (AMS).
Sorry Soma. It was more important to take selfies on a cold rock.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||May 28, 2023 3:58 AM|
I will always love DL's love of Everest season. It's so random that we gladly pivot to this. A lot of people have good info. Nice combo of DL snark and genuine engaged, interesting discussion about all aspects of mountaineering.
|by Anonymous||reply 278||May 28, 2023 4:17 AM|
I know where he is.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||May 28, 2023 4:18 AM|
R277 Poor little Soma. No high five for him, ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 280||May 28, 2023 6:44 AM|
A special permit to carry on looking forever for a dead man on a dangerous mountain!
[quote]The Malaysian Altitude Exploration Club through the Malaysian Embassy in Nepal will apply for a special permit to extend the search period for the ME2023 hearing impaired climber, Muhammad Hawari 33, who has been missing in the Everest mountains since Friday last week.
And of course he had two young children:
[quote]The wife of Muhammad Hawari, Saffiyah Tang, 34, said that every night her two children ask about the whereabouts of their father, especially Hana Sakeena, so they express it in the form of drawings. "My two children (Hana Sakeena and Haris Suffian) every night ask where their Daddy is and most often it is Hana who misses her until she draws a picture of us as a family in a mountainous area where she seems to know her father is nearby.
|by Anonymous||reply 281||May 28, 2023 7:24 AM|
Poor Hana and Haris, and their poorly spelt names.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||May 28, 2023 7:41 AM|
There are men and women who put their life at risk for things that matter and there are those who do so for clicks or a midlife crisis.
The difference between heroes and assholes.
|by Anonymous||reply 283||May 28, 2023 7:51 AM|
Thank you, R283!
There are doctors who give their lives to protect others from a deadly pandemic, and then there are doctors who throw their lives away from a selfie on a mountaintop.
|by Anonymous||reply 284||May 28, 2023 6:01 PM|
[Quote] R177 "Suzanne, who had climbed up to 5,800 metres, a little above the Mt Everest base camp, was forcibly airlifted on Wednesday evening to Lukla town and was admitted to a hospital for treatment, said Dendi Sherpa, Chairman of Glacier Himalayan Trek, the expedition organiser."
[Quote] So this arrogant fool had to be removed from Everest by force? Like an involuntary sectioning.
A well timed push was all that was needed here. Judging by the condition of that frau (originally described at r170) it wouldn't have taken much effort either.
|by Anonymous||reply 285||May 28, 2023 9:46 PM|
On this day 70 years ago at 11:30 am on 29 May 1953, Edmund Hillary (New Zealand🇳🇿) and Tenzing Norgay (Nepal🇳🇵) became the first to summit Mt Everest (Nepali: सगरमाथा Sagarmāthā Tibetan: ཇོ་མོ་གླང་མ Chomolungma). 📷Tenzing photographed by Ed. #Everest70 #Everest #History
|by Anonymous||reply 286||May 28, 2023 11:31 PM|
Video of what it looks like on Everest.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||May 29, 2023 7:25 AM|
Wow R287 what a mess! Why would anyone pay to go there, not alone risk their lives for that shithole?
|by Anonymous||reply 288||May 29, 2023 7:36 AM|
That's one of the things that's really horrible about the Everest industry.
Regular hikers have long had a rule for vulnerable wilderness areas - "Pack It In, Pack It Out", which means you do NOT leave litter or piles of shit behind you! No, if you go into a pristine wilderness you damn well leave it as pristine as you found it, and that means you haul your garbage away with you instead of leaving it behind, and that IS the code of the wilderness!
But these spoiled rich bastards who go to Everest expect someone else to clean up their garbage, and they haven't noticed that there isn't actually anyone available to clean up after them. But, they still seem to think it's someone else's problem.
|by Anonymous||reply 289||May 29, 2023 8:24 AM|
Omg @ r287....horrible.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||May 29, 2023 4:30 PM|
Didn't I see one of this year's dead Sherpas died on a garbage removal trek.
[quote] Regular hikers have long had a rule for vulnerable wilderness areas - "Pack It In, Pack It Out"
I expect most of these midlife crisis yuppies are doing well just to pack themselves out after the rigors of the climb and descent.
|by Anonymous||reply 291||May 29, 2023 8:12 PM|
The climbers who participate in this scam should be shamed by society. Instead, most people are still ignorant enough to treat them like heroes, as if they accomplished anything but needlessly risking lives and ruining the environment due mid-life crisis and vanity.
|by Anonymous||reply 292||May 29, 2023 10:07 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 293||May 29, 2023 10:20 PM|
Everest has been conquered - with oxygen and without, with sherpas and without, with modern gear and without. It really once was a huge accomplishment, and it probably still is in a broader context - most humans couldn't/wouldn't do it. Still, it's been done to death (pun intended). You'd think the vanity crowd would move on to something else that truly set them apart. Yet Everest remains as selfie-ready accomplishment.
|by Anonymous||reply 294||May 29, 2023 10:47 PM|
[quote]You'd think the vanity crowd would move on to something else that truly set them apart.
They don't have the imagination. What Mallory did was probably seen as quixotic at the time. Climbing Everest seems to be a rich people thing as well - like owning a Rolex it's a way of showing off that you have the disposable income to spend on that.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||May 29, 2023 11:58 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 296||May 30, 2023 12:22 AM|
Oh yeah, I seem to recall that years ago Branson wanted to be the first person to circumnavigate the world in a hot-air balloon as well. (He made 4 attempts but Bertrand Piccard and Brian Jones took the honours in March 1999.)
|by Anonymous||reply 297||May 30, 2023 12:39 AM|
A final two names have been added who went missing at the South Summit on May 25th: Ranjit Kumar Shah and Lakpa Nuru Sherpa. Since Everest climbing season is over now, they can be assumed to have died.
That gets the total for this year to 17 which is the second highest ever in any year.
|by Anonymous||reply 298||May 31, 2023 1:21 AM|
R298 And what, half died from complications, wandering away, or being stupid? And the other half were sherpas.
|by Anonymous||reply 299||May 31, 2023 7:40 AM|
And thus, the climbing season ends. I'd like to thank the Sherpas.
|by Anonymous||reply 300||June 1, 2023 3:20 AM|
Shit mountain is officially closed!
(that's not ice you're trekking on btw)
|by Anonymous||reply 301||June 1, 2023 3:46 AM|
When does Mount Shitsicle reopen?
|by Anonymous||reply 302||June 1, 2023 12:44 PM|
Op here. Thank you all. As usual, the Everest threads are a delight. Am going to watch this tonight, And let us hope next year they can finally bet the record.
|by Anonymous||reply 303||June 2, 2023 3:09 AM|
I'm sure it's not done, OP. When they confirm the deaths of the missing, we'll come here to clown them. And that storm of 96 show is good, after you watch that we'll probably talk shit about Sandy Pitman but Beck Weathers is the real asshole of that year.
|by Anonymous||reply 304||June 2, 2023 2:17 PM|
"Return to Shit Mountain": Coming spring 2024.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||June 2, 2023 3:54 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 306||June 2, 2023 11:09 PM|
I watched 'Storm over Everest' last night and i couldn't believe that Taiwanese guy - at the end he said that if he knew that could happen and that he could be injured, then he would NEVER have gone, but nobody told him the risks.
wtf? People die EVERY YEAR!!!! And he didn't realise he could, at minimum, suffer permanent injury.
He was also a jerk about the Sherpas not coming back for him, even though they just weren't able to.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||June 2, 2023 11:11 PM|
The Taiwanese team also contributed to the tragedy but he doesn’t acknowledge that. Wouldn’t take care of a dead body and went for the summit after saying he wouldn’t, helping cause the traffic jam.
So much narcissism amongst these climbers.
|by Anonymous||reply 308||June 3, 2023 2:18 AM|
He came across as a complete arsehole - even worse than Beck.
|by Anonymous||reply 309||June 3, 2023 4:18 AM|
See I forgot about him R309, so I'll have to rewatch too. Funny, we all hated Sandy years ago but over time I think Beck was more to blame. Now I can blame Taiwan guy.
|by Anonymous||reply 310||June 3, 2023 2:08 PM|
Why does anyone blame Beck?
He never summited and stayed too long like the others.
He followed instructions to wait before descending until finally urged to descend with others.
Why is any of the tragic events his fault?
|by Anonymous||reply 311||June 3, 2023 2:52 PM|
Because R311, he had recently had eye surgery and shouldn't have even been up there. When his eyes blew up, that cost everyone time. I can't remember the particulars now because I haven't read Krakuer in a few years but he basically slowed them up and shouldn't have been there to begin with, and he knew that.
|by Anonymous||reply 312||June 3, 2023 2:55 PM|
[quote] When his eyes blew up, that cost everyone time.
He stopped his climb and obeyed Rob Hall's instructions to wait for Hall to come back down, which obviously never happened. Even when others heading down encountered Beck and encouraged him to go down with them, he continued to obey Hall's edict. It was only after the large group was heading down that they encountered Beck and he agreed to go down with them. (I think the storm had already happened by then.)
It wasn't Beck's fault that the group stayed on the summit too long.
There was plenty of blame to go around.
Hall should have forced Hansen to stop much earlier as he was already behind before they go to the summit.
Scott was ill because he had depleted his strength by repeated trips escorting people down to lower camps (even on down to base camp) before the summit day.
Krakauer's point that it was because it was a team of people who had paid to climb, there was not the same group dynamic as a team of experienced climbers who knew each other and would have recognized the problems that some of their companions were experiencing. Andy Harris for one, who was clearly confused when he was claiming all the oxygen bottles were empty.
To try to place so much blame on Weathers is not supported by viewing the actions of others who were more experienced climbers.
|by Anonymous||reply 313||June 3, 2023 3:46 PM|
There's Beck Weathers apologists on earth?
|by Anonymous||reply 314||June 4, 2023 5:12 AM|
I'm happy to blame Taiwanese guy for the whole event now including the storm, since he is such a mega-arsehole. Possibly even the current cost of living crisis could be his fault.
|by Anonymous||reply 315||June 4, 2023 10:36 PM|
WTF is up with the guy who wants to blame Beck Weathers for everything that happened in 1996???
Mother Nature and inadequate weather reporting were what's to blame, that and overcrowding the mountain. And obviously, the lesson about overcrowding was not learned.
|by Anonymous||reply 316||June 4, 2023 11:32 PM|
Since the 1996 events have been mentioned, I just found this (link below) in which Jon Krakauer refutes charges made after his article and book came out and he cites proof of interviews from other people who were present.
Apparently, this was written as a afterward to the 1999 edition of "Into Thin Air".
Well worth reading if you have an interest in the 1996 climb and the followup stories that were published.
|by Anonymous||reply 317||June 4, 2023 11:56 PM|