Cute boy rejected from every college he applied to

He should go into porn.

Several of those schools are not Ivy League. If he doesn't understand that, he deserves to be rejected.

r2 "Every Ivy League" doesn't mean "only Ivy League". Smartass.

Sean Cody is hiring.

Not the end of the world. Attend a community college and reapply next semester. Volunteer for something to beef up the resume.

R3 Yet there are 8 and he mentions 4. Thus, not EVERY. Dog breath cunt bone.

r5 He was already the valedictorian and a star athlete and super talented piano player with a basically perfect ACT score.

His GPA is 5.09?

Something seems very wrong to me about that.

I am about to turn 45, and I know a lot has changed in 25 years, but when I was in school, extremely exceptional students might somehow get a 4.2 GPA, but that was rare because 4.0 really was the threshold of 'perfect.'

The ability of anyone to attain a 5 seems like a questionable system to begin with.

And to be totally honest in my judgmentalism:

1. He posts this sort of video to TikTok, and I don't really know how college admissions processes work, but if I looked him up on social media and saw this vapid and vain shit, that would count against him.

2. I love the person above who says to go to a community college. I honestly believe smart students who are not rich and don't have a lot saved for college choose community college for the first two years. It is an extremely wise financial decision. But this kid only applied to Ivy-League universities, so I cannot imagine him choosing to go to any community college. He should. If he is as smart as his weirdly high GPA would suggest, then he could become a Phi Theta Kappa honor society president, which could take him very far and build his platform, but someone who exclusively applies to Ivies is not going to do that.

He's very young and so I hate to say this, but he seems like the type of asshole who the Ivy Leagues churn out and who are killing the US middle class.

I wonder if it's the same guy as in these videos. The voice is very similar.

He presents as extremely dumb. I have doubts this is legit.

Can we please get this straight. "But this kid only applied to Ivy-League universities,"

No, he didn't. He applied some Ivy Leagues and some highly selective other schools.

Rice is not Ivy League.

His experience SUCKS, and I feel badly for him. But he seems to have self confidence and to be a good sport so I think he will do well. He can always transfer to his dream school after 2 years.

Dear Ivy League Admissions Officer:

Dude! I worked my butt off in school, Bro! Just look at my kick-ass GPA!

They told me I have to write an essay, so this is it. I know it's just a formality, man, look at my ACT score, dude.

Also, I have almost 50k followers on TikTok, so I'm an influential influencer, as well. I can do a lot for your brand. I have a lot of amazing branding ideas and when I get admitted, I look forward to a great mutually beneficial collab!

OK, listen, the gym is calling, I gotta go, but thanks in advance for the acceptance and I look forward to Zooming soon.

Yours in hotness,

Gideon

for your reference:

But…he looks so hot in a jockstrap.

Some kids just don't have that Wow Factor, Gideon.

So what could possibly be the reason for being outright rejected?

His cock-sucking beta BFFs are cuter. Looks like he has a great body but the face is bland AWG attractive.

His appearance and the way he speaks both are *exactly* what I imagine every member of Harvard and Yale fraternities to look and sound like. Plus boat shoes, pastel shorts and polos and rugbys with popped collars.

R16 A terrible essay? Cockiness? Entitlement? Not presenting any kind of uniqueness whatsoever?

R16 the reason is the highly sought after most elite schools are becoming every more selective. Yet, he's just another perfect white boy, but kind of bro-y, among the thousands of perfect white boys who applied to each school. Its really not a knock against him, it's just statistics.

r16 It could be anything. We'll never know the exact reason.

I get a dark feeling from this...I will not be surprised if he wrote an essay praising Donald Trump as a freedom fighter or saying he looks forward to becoming the next Tucker Carlson, all for the sake of being rejected and then going on Tucker Carlson's show to claim victimhood as a white-racism martyr and instant fame.

But I rimmed the admissions officer.

He'd probably be a shoe in at places like Colgate, Williams, etc.

Take a gap year and do something unexpected. Reapply to lesser schools. Only minorities get into Ivy schools.

Girls he would have date raped give silent thanks.

Will no one think of the hawt twinks?!

Interesting...40.6% of Harvard admissions are white. They give ethnicity and race stats on this page, but they don't list white or Caucasian at all; you have to do the math to determine it by exclusion.

59.3% of the overall US population was white in 2021.

Poor kid. Maybe he needs to go to a technical school and take up a trade. I hear there's a major need for plumbers these days. Turd chasing can be quite lucrative.

r26 Oh please like you wouldn't be on your knees the second you see him.

Oh, and 16% of Harvard's acceptances are legacy students, and probably most of those are white people...so that would drop available admissions to around 25%.

Harvard - 40% of Harvard admissions are white.

Now, factor I how many of those 40% are: legacy admits, highly sought jocks for certain sports, or VIP spawn and children of development office prospects. That will leave 10% whites for "nobody" whites - whites Harvard has no vested interest in.

So this perfect white boy, who is not a legacy, not a VIP spawn, is competing against thousands of other perfect white boys who are nobodies - for 5% (male) of the slots at Harvard. ALL the other slots at Harvard are filled by people who are not like him (a nobody perfect white male).

So it's not a knock against him.

Asians applicants are up against similar statistics. Maybe worse.

Community college is a fantastic choice. But most of the Ivies are real dicks about wanting to make sure people pay for all four years. They take almost no transfers. Cornell is an exception.

He's starting an onlyfans now so silver linings!!!!!!

Legacy admits are not the only back door.

The others:

children of development office prospects

children of VIPs who bring luster to the school

He's white and male so locked out of all minority considerations. Likely not poor, either.

Kids like him have extremely limited chance of getting into their dream top schools.

Bro! Yo, bro!!

Here's his Amazon wishlist, bro! A leopard-print bikini bathing suit!

I bet the admissions officers were impressed!

Gideon, thy name is entitlement.

r37 He has literally perfect stats in everything. How is that entitled?

Being white and Cute doesn't mean you always get what you want. Caucasians are at the back of the line and at the bottom of the list, get used to it Cracker. lol

Bro, contact us.

r6 There's a second part of the video where he shows himself getting rejected from the rest of the Ivies, dumbass.

Cute white male NOBODIES are at the bottom of the list.

Don't cry for cute white male VIPS.

2.5 million. Insult to injury, rich boy Jared did fine at Harvard. Because Harvard is a cake ride.

cake walk?

r42 Jared isn't white though.

R41 OK thanks. Well how would I know. It sucks for him, for sure.

He didn't take her advice.

R46 - takeaway - there is a "Black Common App" (!! not a joke!!) so miss thing's "advice" better the fuck boil down to: be a black woman and then... whatever.

r8, I wouldn't be surprised if the admission officers had exactly your thought process. "5.09? Let me look him up. Shirtless on Tiktok? Ok, not a good use of his time or dispositions. Next." (This was the shortened version just to make a point.)

I'd say if you are really that smart and educated and want to join our prestigious school, you should be spending your time on something that advances you as a person or society. Yes, this may sound arrogant. But among the thousands of applicants I rather accept someone with a 4.0 who loves learning and advancing themselves in a field that is valuable for science, society etc. They're out there, and the school benefits more from those than from someone with a 5.0 average who is focusing on ordinary activities.

[quote] How is that entitled?

He thinks this is the 90s, when having a high GPA & being white meant you'd be treated like a king by everyone. From his little videos posted here he clearly thinks very highly of himself. This kid will benefit from finding out that in the grand scheme, he ain't that much.

R30. No thanks. I like hairy, burly men with muscles, not some Naired douchebro with barely there musculature.

It really comes down to a crap shoot for white nobodies who have all the stats. It's mean to say they should have done this or that. There's really nothing they can do. Competition is too stiff, like his young hot cock. If he won the crap shoot, bully for him. I would assume he has some safeties? He can go to state and be an alpha all over again.

Sadly this country is no longer a meritocracy, especially when it comes to college admissions .

As if we’d accept some fool trying to get social media clout by taking his shirt off.

Is he related to Bodega Bro? And how IS Bodega Bro these days? How quickly they rise and fall lately.

"Cute trans girl (MTF) accepted at every college they applied."

(AWGs: ya gotta get with the program if ya wanna make it now).

Or he can do some charity work and pretend to "trans" and apply to the remaining Seven Sisters as trans. They'd love "them". Isn't Smith as good as Harvard? Win! Think of the college sport trophies they can amass. Then in their senior year at Bryn Mawr, a reconsideration after they receive their Stanford Business School admittance. Back to bro with big dong.

!!!! wow same thought

[quote]Cute boy

BWAH HAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

Bodega Bro was so much hotter.

He should have checked nonbinary in the application box.

R52 the Ivy League slots for nobodies are still meritocracies. The "nobody" admits who are NOT perfect white boys, rather diversity admits, are going to do just fine at Harvard. The Ivy League will choose the VERY BEST diversity applicants. If they are .001% lower in stats than the perfect white kids, it makes no difference.

r59 He's way hotter than Bodega Bro.

Yesterday or day before we had the thread about the perfect black girl applicant who got rejected everywhere because her SATs were perfectly average. Not even good. But she has a perfect HS record. But she got rejected. Why? Because the highly selective schools had thousands of better diversity admits than her. No need to take a risk.

We need to settle this with a poll.

Bodega Bro vs. ?

What’s a good name for this guy?

Can we include the Wrigleyville Cumdump?

Don't weep for this kid. He's very good looking and doors will always open for him. I'm sure he got into UVA or Carolina or something. He'll be fine.

R8 yes, it has changed and it is idiotic. My friend’s daughter is 16 and I was told she has a 5.02 GPA and I did not dare inquire so I did some research. Best I can tell is that many schools still use a 4.0 scale as top number (based on letter grades) but many use a 5.0 scale…and one can quote higher GPA numbers based on course difficulty. This sort of explains it. But it seems like yet another system designed to make kids feel special.

One solution is for every private highly selective university with multibillion dollar endowments should adopt a good school, another campus - or somehow, double their enrolments. But that might still be a drop in the bucket.

He's from Bixby, OK ---so he should have gotten JD Vance-style affirmative action., although I suspect that unlike Vance, he comes from some money. H A guy who looks like his dad was disbarred, so I wonder if he's also a douche-bro, because he certainly sounds like one.

Here's his candidate statement. I guess it's meant to be clever.--it just sounds pretensious He claims to have a diploma major ofmusic theory and composition. I'm guessing a lot of test prep and a a lot of things that suggest he's not subtle enough in his douche-ness for MIT or Harvard. He's the kind of guy who would have gotten into places like Vanderbilt or Tulane in the past.

To all the haters, I can guarantee you beautiful Gideon knew enough to turn his TikTok to private during application season and made it public again after. You should just be thankful he even gave you a TikTok in the first place.

That’s not exactly true r61. The Harvard case shows that the even the best POC applicants had scores than no Asians would be admitted with. I’m not saying scores are everything but the difference was very significant.

Schools get their reputations from the students they admit. If Harvard sends graduates out in the world that are not the best, the school becomes less prestigious. If Hicktown U starts churning out Nobel and Pulitzer winners, that becomes the top school.

He's really annoying and speaks like an idiot. GPA does not equal intelligence especially how dumbed down high schools are. Universities look at your social media just like jobs do. I wouldn't want a narcissistic influencer bro in a prestigious school either.

Maybe he has an even hotter less douchy less academic brother.

R70 Ok i stand corrected. But I did say up thread that Asian nobodies have it rougher than the White nobodies. They are getting shafted, indeed. With grade inflation, I am wondering if the differences are finally, indeed, standardised test scores. Because every city with a public "academic" HS is turning out POC graduates with perfect grades, nowadays.

There’s too much focus on elite schools. The NYT had some piece on students regretting their college choices. Lots of stupid reasons for picking schools. I worked for an incredibly expensive school and felt sorry for the students loading up in debt who went there.It was NOT better than a state school and not worth going into heavy debt to attend,

r56 Or Hillary Clinton's alma mater Wellesley. As you can imagine with Northeastern elite college liberal women, so many of them have advocated for (male) trans right to attend (they currently can). But I doubt those are what this white boy wants.

As long as he doesn't have to chop off his glorious big white dong, he's probably down for 4 years at Wellesley. Abundant hungry pussy!

That would be rough for anybody. I'm actually surprised he didn't get into Rice. I mean, c'mon. Rice.

I hope he applied to some decent backup schools.

You know the world is different when Duke is no longer a reliable backup school for top tier candidates.

I will never understand why this stuff fascinates a bunch of gay white men so much. Go to Harvard, look around. It's a sea of white. White people are not losing slots at Harvard or any Ivy League school. This guy is not going to suffer one bit because he didn't get into an Ivy.

c.2010 I got rejected from Cambridge at the final hurdle (one of two candidates—the other came from money), and it was one of a few major factors (the others were bereavement trauma, iatrogenic psychosis and physical illness) that caused me a total breakdown from which I have never totally recovered. The years of work (through pain and grief) that I put into getting those interviews more or less broke my spirit, and to have it be for naught was more than I could bear.

When I did attend a different university, I could barely leave my room or get to classes. I spent my entire student life sobbing, sleeping, or starving myself. Most of my young adulthood was lost to that dark place.

So I can’t imagine the debilitating levels of pressure on students nowadays, if that was what me and my peers were going through more than a decade ago. Poor kids. This system is so rigged and broken.

He's incredibly confident. So I'm sure he'll find something. Or take a year off. Travel, work a real job, volunteer, etc. Maybe spend more time on that than posting TikToks

Yikes, sad story.

r77 Duke and Rice were his backup schools.

Duke as a backup school for a white male nobody seems foolish.

I really don't see the problem. With the right mindset you can attend any school you want. Any. I've done it. You can, too.

Problem solved!

Here's his smarmy, yet condescending admission video.

[quote]Plus boat shoes, pastel shorts and polos and rugbys with popped collars.

Please leave the 1970s and join us in 2023.

[Quote]Sadly this country is no longer a meritocracy, especially when it comes to college admissions .

R52, the USA was never a meritocracy.

[quote]Sadly this country is no longer a meritocracy, especially when it comes to college admissions .

C'mon gurl. 🙄

[quote]He'd probably be a shoe in at places like Colgate, Williams, etc.

Oh, dear.

No one is commenting on all the idiotic errors in spelling and grammar the education experts on this thread have made? Just as a start, look at R8 and R24.

Apparently he watched "Legally Blonde" one too many times.

5.0 GPA? Big deal! Mine was 6.0!

Too bad Trump University is gone.

Not to mention the Columbia School of Broadcasting.

My GPA was 2.3, but everyone said it could pass for a 4.9.

Hehe Well just goes to "shoe you" - I wrote the "shoe in" mistake and have 2 Ivy degrees! Bottom of the Ivy, mind you. But we're shooting the shit on a trashy forum. I have nothing to prove. Non Ivy grads don't get this. The blithe un-earned confidence of being mediocre yet well-credentialed.

He might try putting on a shirt, for starters . . .

[quote]So what could possibly be the reason for being outright rejected?

To begin with, he's white and male.

According to Princton Review:

[quote]straight As in all AP classes would be worth 5.0 and straight A's in honors classes would be a 4.5

How could anyone get a GPA higher than 5.0?

Even if EVERY class he took from his freshman year were an AP class, the max GPA would be 5.0 - and no school offers all AP courses whose purpose is to prepare a student to take the Advanced Placement Tests in various subjects in order to obtain college credit for cousework.

5 = GPA

9 = inches

If he says he is non-binary, gender fluid, gay and hiv positive, does it help get the admission ?

[quote]R52 Sadly this country is no longer a meritocracy

If you think it ever was, well…

can a "gender fluid" person be "gay"?

I don’t know how colleges can differentiate the good students from the mediocre.

I was talking to a mom who was peeved because a teacher gave her kid an A++ yet the paper was riddled with misspellings.

Her issue was the teacher overlooking the errors. (The teacher said, hey, spelling no longer matters because we have autocorrect.)

The bigger issue for me was this new grade of A++! I mean, seriously?

how colleges can differentiate the good students from the mediocre.

That is not the issue. They want the sharp, creative, intelligent, autonomous and ambitious young people. Being a "good student" is a given.

[quote]According to Princton Review:

Oh, dear.

There are few ego-resetters than going from BMOC or BWOC in high school to applying for highly selective colleges and universities and realizing that there are thousands of applicants just like you…only better.

It’s probably the quality of his high school. It’s either disappointed the colleges in the past or is completely unknown to them.

[quote]Sadly this country is no longer a meritocracy, especially when it comes to college admissions

Amen!

If what he’s reading at r86 is really his admission essay, there’s no mystery here.

Can I ask what is the best GPA? Are all your assignments and exams marked numerically? How is it calculated? Can you appeal a grade like Cher did in Clueless?

Is it an average over the years or just a series of exams?

[quote] But I rimmed the admissions officer.

I rimmed, sucked and swallowed the Financial Aid officer

Grades are usually given at the end of each semester and are based on class work, assignments and exams. Most schools use a letter grade system with + and - to further differentiate. This is converted into a 4-point GPA by counting an A as 4.0, a B as 3.0, etc. Apparently some schools bump up the grade’s point value if it’s for an honors class or AP (college level) class. This is new to me.

Grade inflation is a thing and he could be an entitled jerk who assumed he'd sail into the Ivy League. There's even more competition these days and just because you tick off certain boxes does not mean you automatically get in. It helps to have an interesting personality, some character, maybe some real personal obstacles when growing up.

In high school, the older brother of one of my friends wrote an anonymous essay for the school paper complaining about how he'd done everything in his power to get into Harvard only to be rejected. Whine whine whine whine. I think he went to Yale instead. I assume he was smart, judging from his brother, and had good grades, scores, and activities, but he was a complete asshole. My friend who was a doll, witty, smart, and very handsome, went to Princeton, which I think was his first choice.

Several years after graduating from Harvard, I met a man my age who'd been accepted but his father had persuaded him that he'd enjoy a smaller school more, so he picked Amherst. He was still upset about it.

Your GPA is a cumulative 4-year summary of all your grades.

R33

That wasn't the case when I was at Harvard. I don't know exactly how many transfer students were accepted, but it was more than a couple per class.

More than a couple, but still a low number.

Trump was an Ivy League transfer. He spent his first two years at Fordham.

R56

What makes a school good is partly subjective. If you want to go to an all-women's school where women are centered, then a school like Smith is ideal. It has a fine reputation and strong academics. But in terms of resources and opportunities, it's not as good as a larger school like Harvard College, which also is part of a big, respected university.

Reading some of the responses, I feel that I will be alone in this comment.

One of the best things about college for me was getting out of my small town and meeting a bunch of different people who I would have never encountered had I not gone to college. It's not always about test scores and grades, it's about life experience and meeting a wide assortment of people. What a person brings to a university community that goes beyond a GPA or and SAT score, because for some those aren't always indicators of success. What kind of education are you getting from a school where it's all old money, legacy admissions, and people from the similar backgrounds? College is more than just your major.

Maybe I'm a Mary!, Pollyanna but I'm thankful for those admissions officers who look beyond scores to build a more interesting and fulfilling college community.

I think giving a student 5.0 for an "A" in an AP course and pushing GPA above 4 was a mistake.

In university, each course was worth a certain number of units between 1 and 4. So, if you got an "A" in a 4 unit class and a "B" in a 3 unit class, your GPA would be 3.57 (4*4 + 3*3 = 25. 25 / (4+3 units) = 3.57), creating a weighted average.

The approach of inflating AP courses to 5.0 for As does not create greater precision in comparisons, contrary to what they were trying to do. The tradeoffs overpower the lack of greater precision. If you're willing to sacrifice greater precision, you may as well focus on greater standardization across the board.

....I feel badly for him.

Oh, dear!

R70

[quote]That’s not exactly true [R61]. The Harvard case shows that the even the best POC applicants had scores than no Asians would be admitted with. I’m not saying scores are everything but the difference was very significant.

That’s not what it said. It showed that POC with the highest scores could very nearly walk in the door, and that those with lower scores had a higher chance of admission than Asians with similar scores. But that is not at all the same as saying “even the best POC applicants had scores than no Asians would be admitted with.”

Obviously he didn't apply only to Ivy League schools, but the video sampling is incomplete it seems. Community college? No, not for his scores. But always include interesting non-Ivy schools that are highly respected in your areas of interest, and that it seems is where he should find a yes.

Stick it out for 4 years, distinguish yourself, then apply to anymore prestigious grad program.

R121

Exactly right. I don't know where you went to school, but your negative description of some schools does not apply to the Ivy League. Sure, there are plenty of wealthy people, and legacies (although I knew some who were quite smart and hardworking and would have gotten in on their own), but there also are a number of outstanding people who come from varied backgrounds and who without the generous financial aid of their well-endowed schools would not have been able to attend.

Has he got his cock out on video yet?

[quote]....I feel badly for him.

[quote]Oh, dear!

r123 - how do you know that he doesn't, in fact, have impaired ability to feel?

R128, you got me!

What to Know “I feel bad” or “I feel badly” can be used to mean the same thing. Feel is what is called a linking verb, and with most linking verbs, we would consider the use of an -ly adverb to be an error: “smell delicious” but not “smell deliciously”; “taste sweet” but not “taste sweetly.” Similarly, “feel sadly” or “feel angrily” would be considered ungrammatical. Badly, when used with feel, is an exception to this rule, and is standard.

He's a STUD. My God. That voice. BDV.

GPA goes up to 6 now, no joke. Regular high school classes are on a 4.0 scale so an A is a 4.0; honors classes and AP classes get a bump because they are harder- take Grade 10 English, or Grade 10 English honors- they are a 4.5 scale, a A is a 4.5; THEN there are college classes that you can take as a high schooler, I think they are referred to as IB classes and those are weighted to a 5.0 and THEN if you take an honors level college class it is weighted as a 6.0. Regular kids at regular high schools who do not have access to all of these specialized classes are screwed, even a few AP classes won't compete. You have kids with 1300's a 4.0, president of a bunch of stuff not getting into the basic state schools. It is shocking; almost every school lists as their average GPA a 3.9 (ok schools but not top schools).

He should apply to Hudson University.

He would get violated in ways you can't imagine.

If you "feel ( action verb, modified by an adverb) badly," you are unable to use your hands properly. If you " feel (linking verb) bad ( predicate adjective)," you are sick or "under the weather."

R6, what is your point. The reality is he wasn't accepted for the schools of his choice for the upcoming semester. Frustrating. Disappointing but he has options if he's as talented as he claims to be. And many students take a year off and travel, he has options.

Feel bad is strictly correct however feel badly is standard use in USA. And acceptable as per Merriam Webster. Voila, that is all. We're all 3 generations too old for the need to prove ourselves for selective college admissions.

I love when they say "he's poorly" on British TV shows.

People like r52 who whine about meritocracy are the ones who vote for unqualified politicians like Donald Trump and Tommy Tuberville

It's harder to get into an ivy than ever. The average SAT scores at Ivy schools are higher than ever. It's because they really are meritocracies

R138 Do legacy people still have to have the grades?

I think OP made a mistake. I don’t see any cute boys in that video.

R99 misses the days when rich white boys with "gentleman Cs" could get into Yale or Harvard because they were rich and white

Well, how BIG is the legacy. They best not be complete idiots and academic fuckups. It won't look nice if they will have a problem getting through.

Bigots like r60 whining about "non-binary" people when probably like .5% of people at an Ivy League school identify as non-binary

R1- or he could become a male prostitute Fred Garvin.

like Fred Garvin

His essay explains his rejection. He's a terrible writer. And the entire premise of his essay was likely a key issue for the AOs as well.

All these MARYs complaining about him "entitled" and not up to the high standards of the Ivies despite his flawless grades and flawless face and flawless body. Look at these cretins at Stanford and tell me they're smarter than my beautiful Gideon.

I’m sure he could’ve gotten into Amherst, Williams, Colby, Bates, Elon and Bowdoin. An earlier poster indicated that Duke and Rice where his back ups and I would agree. He thought he was going to get into all of the IVs and was looking to TikTok that event when it happened.

What the hell is "Elon"?

R147 you do know that law school is graduate school and does not have the same demographics as 18yo freshman undergrads.

r141 You mean the one group of people that reliably wins Nobel prizes and invents new companies and doesn't vote for socialism. Cause I miss those days too.

I was about to say the same thing "Elon?!?!?!"

[quote]What the hell is "Elon"?

It's shorthand for Musk University.

R86 he has very messed up parents. Sad. I like him a bit more.

The happiest and wealthiest and least stressed/sick people I know under age 45 don't have formal degrees.

Even the wealthier ones with good med or law school degrees are living miserable lives full of repression and regret.

It’s a southern college

R151, highly educated people usually vote for Dems. Hate to break that to you. The GOP is the party of George Santos and Lauren Boebert

I guess Brown no longer requires glossy head shots from applicants.

R21, instead of posting individual black kids, why not be upset at the Kushners who take spots away from qualified kids? And why do you assume this white kid was more qualified over those black students? Now pretend you don't know why we call you a racist.

Now go complain along with the people who thought Trump --who wouldn't know the constitution if Madison himself used shadow puppets-- was qualified to be president when he couldn't pass a middle school civics class.

R158 ah, Brown..an enclave of trustafarians and children of celebrities, who major in drum circles and semiotics--whatever that is. Everyone knows that the only real Ivys are the Holy Trinity: Harvard, Yale, and Princeton.

Color me shocked.

Didn't Columbia take a nose dive in the rankings because it was revealed they flat out lied and submitted falsified info to game their way up the rankings? I mean... It was always considered the true joke Ivy back in the old days.

Two words: Hamilton College.

R161, now do Jared Kushner and rich white boys who got in for being rich!

R102 is trying to pick on LGBT people to build up an entitled white boy. Sad

R130, R123 here. How about this nuanced discussion that cites your MW opinion? See last paragraph.

Not to go all Prisspot Pedant on you....

@ R8

Back in my day, no one got higher than a 4.0 GPA.

Of course he got rejected. He's not a Trans POC.

Last yr, Princeton's admitted class had 13% white men. Whites are 59% of the population, and thus white men are ~30% of the population. So they admitted less than half the proportion.

Many of you here should think about that.

MARY r168!!!

And that includes legacies, VIPs and jocks. As I already estimated above, the % of slots (so to speak) open to this white male nobody was likely 5%.

I think I found the reason....

Happiest day of my life was getting the acceptance letter from Emerson College. I'll never forget that day in 1987. I'm not one given to emotional outbursts, but I cheered and danced around for joy.

Whatever faults my old man had, he scraped up enough to send me.

r171 for the win.

Most schools do not have one person look at an application and decide whether someone is admitted or not. They now probably have people specifically tasked with checking social media since schools are now dragged when they accept someone with a history of saying stupid things.

Also, the issue is poor decision making, not what they specifically say although I'm sure there is less tolerance for some opinions than others.

R168, what percent of people at Princeton are trans? Probably less than 1% but of course you have to blame them for this guy's failures because you're a Republican moron.

POV: Getting rejected from colleges,” she writes, as her caption reads, “Yk what they all say… rejection is redirection!!!!!”

I want him to treat my mouth and throat like vaginal equipment.

Elon.

Sweeney Todd at Elon.

Then there is the girl who got into an Ivy League U by typing an essay that was just "Black Lives Matter" over and over and over again.

Here.

The trolls have arrived... Always the same time every night

R8, I graduated in 1998 with a 4.86 GPA.

AP courses counted more than normal courses.

Not sure how it works now, but it is how it worked for us. FYI.

TikTokers are full of shit honestly. Most lie for clicks. Who's to say this isn't staged?

He would have been accepted if he'd changed his name to Da'Shawnte.

Do you think you get a better education at Harvard than you would at Lehigh? Oh, but the bragging rights…

Elon is third-tier.

I have to wonder if his social media profile and posts had anything to do with it.

That being said - I do feel bad for him. He has the stats to get into a top tier university.

I feel like something isn't being told here - that there's something else going on that isn't mentioned.

I'll wait for someone to disagree with me, but I think an education is an education is an education. But what schools like Harvard and the like excel at is opening doors once someone graduates and having the ability to attract top tier educators to teach. People fall all over themselves trying to recruit Ivy grads.

The possible drawback of those schools can be that the top tier professors are more focused on research and publishing than actually teaching and you end with waiting lists to get into certain classes or you end up with a bunch of TAs doing the hard work.

A Harvard degree will open more doors, but you may have had a better teaching/learning experience somewhere that is not Harvard.

R188 - I'm an Ivy grad. There's nothing wrong with what you said. However, Ivies are small colleges and I can recall only 3 classes where I had TA's.

Most of my professors were amazing and dedicated to undergrads and grad students. There were 3 profs that didn't deserve to be there and were general pieces of shit.

The main difference I've seen in my peers' education at other universities is that they had much less work, had limited scope and didn't know fundamentals of what I considered to be basic education.

I view an Ivy undergrad as being grad school level experience. Now that doesn't mean you're fully credentialed or could do what a Master's degree graduate could, but I would say the level of academic rigor and experience is the same in an Ivy undergrad as would be with a Master's program.

We had to study A LOT. I'm absolutely shocked at how little other people had to study at big name top tier public universities. And it showed in their world perspective.

My 2 cents

He should have picked his parents better.

Next time, pick two Ivy grads, dumbass.

I'm from Oklahoma and I know some Trenarys. I need to check into this kid more. And he's from Bixby? And admitted that? Bless his heart. Try Oklahoma State, buddy. They might take you in there...

I'm thinking he has an acceptance at a school that is not on that list.

He's clearly not all that upset

I hear they’ve got space at the University of Idaho.

R52 Right because the older generations of Trumps and the George W Bush types are proof the country used to be a meritocracy.

R168 Less white men are enrolling in college.

60% of college students are women.

This thread is trying to insinuate the disenfranchisement of white men in this country by using this asshole as an example. Posting articles of black people getting into college and saying they’re taking away positions from this guy.

Disgusting.

Think about writing about yourself in the third person while pretending to be a character in a cartoon show. Is that supposed to be quirky? It’s creepy. CREEPY I tell you!

He assumed that the admissions officers would have contextual references for Spongebob Squarepants and would understand what he intended to communicate.

I've never watched the cartoon and I think if I were to have received that essay, I might have wondered what he was even saying.

r179 *citation needed

I have never seen Spongebob and I know what he was saying

He's very ambiguous about what his game is, other than the obvious and typical attention-seeking behavior of his generation, but he really gives me the creeps.

I'm a 45-year-old white guy. I actually have encountered blatant discriminatory behaviors—a nonwhite superior at work told me randomly one day "we have too many white men here," when our staff was about 15% white men, and I'm certain that my identity has limited my trajectory at my organization. Which is to say that I am a white man and part of that community to the extent there is one, and so I can make this bigoted statement with a clear conscience: some white guys, like the kid in this video, are extremely creepy and borderline scary in a very particular way. This guy is entitled, arrogant, self-righteous, his attitude shows he sees himself as a victim, and something about even just the way he speaks makes me see him as the type of dudebro Nazi who showed up at Charlottesville with a tiki torch. His vibe is the vibe that makes me feel like, yeah, I actually can understand why there's been a backlash and a stereotyping specifically against white men in the US. His entitlement has the same air to me as that of any "Karen." He posted a subsequent video explaining how it's possible that he has a 5.0+ GPA, based on AP clases having a max 5.0 grade, and he captions regular high school classes as *dumb people classes.* I see a creepster with Tucker Carlson potential and I'm glad the most selective universities rejected him. He needs to be humbled, and if he does end up at a less-selective school then that practically guarantees he will end up in a more diverse environment, which would be good for him.

[quote] Apparently some schools bump up the grade’s point value if it’s for an honors class or AP (college level) class. This is new to me.

Stay Gold, Datalounge.

Stay Gold.

FFS, Eldergays

This has been discussed ad nauseum on multiple threads.

The Ivies + Stanford, CatTech and MIT have decided to become like Noah's Ark and no longer automatically take the children of the upper and upper middle classes who have top grades and SAT scores. Instead they take a broad geographic, ethnic and socioeconomic array of kids with a particular emphasis on kids who are the first generation to go to college.

The result however, is that all the Zachs and Zoēs wound up at schools the next level down: Duke, Northwestern, Wash U, Vanderbilt, UCLA, Michigan, et all (Just look at the top 30 or so schools in the US News ranking.)

And the result of that is that all those companies that when used to only recruit at Ivys and similar back in the day now also recruit at all those other Top 30 schools because that is where their own kids go to school.

So that the benefits of that Ivy degree, while plentiful, are no longer what they once were as the upper middle classes circle the wagons to ensure their own offspring don't lose any privilege because Dartmouth is suddenly cutting back on the number of kids they're taking from Sidwell Friends.

He's trying to get into an Ivy for the sake of getting into an Ivy, it shows, and they're rejecting him for the thirst.

He should pick a longlist/shortlist that fits his aspirations (if he has any) and they fit him. Vanderbilt, Wash U, Tulane, Rice, a good state school like Michigan or Wisconsin (he doesn't have a chance at Berkeley), even UT Austin, maybe Duke or Northwestern at a stretch. Chicago might take him if he's politically conservative, but he needs a 36 and not a 35 on the ACT.

LOL R203

He would not be laughing in the video if he hadn't already gotten into a school like the ones in your list.

Do you really not get that?

I didn't watch the whole original video - I see Duke and Rice also bulleted him. He's probably more Texas A&M material.

[quote]Being white and Cute doesn't mean you always get what you want. Caucasians are at the back of the line and at the bottom of the list, get used to it Cracker. lol

For now.

This woke hysteria (i.e., anti-whiteness) will soon run its course, because it cannot be sustained.

You forget whites are still the great majority at around 60 per cent of the U.S. population (not counting white Hispanics) whereas blacks are only 13 per cent..

The worm will turn and all that.

I think there's one big secret about Ivies that everyone has chosen to overlook forever: The education is not why those universities are coveted. Average people are not aware of that; they think that the smartest of all smart students get into Ivies, and that they endure the most rigorous educations and emerge as the smartest young adults.

Ivy-league universities have two real-world values: 1) coveted luxury-brand appeal/seal of societal-dominance approval; and 2) (the part that is overlooked by most) fraternal networking—becoming one of the inner circle of mostly men who seek out and promote those who are in the inner circle.

It makes me crazy that people don't commonly recognize that merit and mind have limits among the upper eschelons of conventional business, government and even nonprofits. A Harvard or Yale or elite equivalent (Georgetown, Michigan, UC Irvine, UVA) is a passkey that is almost always required for certain doors to open, and when those doors open, people get heaped with support and basically almost can't fail.

That is why people who know this are so desperate to go to one of those schools.

I never knew this until I worked in higher ed at a national level, because I grew up working class and my parents didn't go to college (and were both extraordinarily intelligent auto-didacts).

I have seen this not-so-secret society at work on a nearly daily basis.

It is not lost on me that, for example, the Obama administration championed community colleges, and Obama always led with his Ivy education, and every member of his cabinet was introduced FIRST with their Ivy credentials.

It is not lost on me that Donald Trump denounced higher education and praised 'vocational school,' and he has always self-promoted beginning with his net worth and then next mentioning his Ivy-affiliated credentials. And whenever his cabinet appointments had Ivy credentials, they were always introduced in this order: 1) name; 2) Ivy credential; 3) all the rest.

I am 100% confident in the assertion that George W. Bush would not have been made president of the US without his Yale and Harvard degrees. They opened doors. Those degrees justified an idiot's placement into the upper eschelon of leadership in his peers' eyes. And he would not have *not* been able to buy those credentials because those credentials can be procured with connections to those schools and a lot of money, superior intelligence not required. See also: Meghan McCain.

Anyone with an Ivy degree who lands in any position that gets them presented publicly will always be presented credential first and that will always, always signal to everyone listening that that person has a golden endorsement and approval to be regarded as inherently more worthy, little different social currencywise than the bestowal of a royal title upon a person in Europe. It's not about intellectual aptitude or potential.

It's about bearing a stamp of approval, signaling innate superiority over others, breaking into a network of people who have and will share unlimited resources of all kinds with their peers, and bearing a luxury brand name that others covet. It is not about what is learned in the classrooms of those universities.

Consider that no one EVER talks substantively about what any well-known person actually studied or wrote a thesis or dissertation about at Penn or Harvard or while serving as a Rhodes scholar. No one ever thinks about what was studied and learned. That's the mere process. What matters is the social currency of the brand. No questions asked once the brand is named. We are all just expected to bow down.

He was rejected because he's BORING. He adds nothing to the mix. Not super wealthy, not super poor. Good grades and scores, but not a true genius either. Extracurriculars, but nothing super impressive. Attractive but not striking. These Ivy League schools have their pick of candidates and they like to choose exciting people. Either because they're wealthy, connected, or prestigious or because accepting them would change the student's life and that of their families. It also sounds like his application was not customized enough to each school and he expected his checklist to do the heavy lifting. There are people from war-torn countries, people who started businesses, people involved in advanced research, people who are connected to the oldest power families in the world, billionaires, sex abuse survivors, etc. He is NOT special.

[quote]and I feel badly for him.

Clearly you never went to college at all.

R30 I wouldn't. He doesn't do anything for me. Sorry.

r207 provides the best response on this thread (and one of the best DL posts I've read in a while).

Well done!

Not cute. Ugly.

Thanks, R211.

I think we can expect to see this kid lionized on Fox News in 3...2..1...embittered white men really are galvinizing and building up enough pressure to launch some version of a race war.

The whiny weakness and self-victimization on display are really uncomfortable to watch.

This is the ultimate Clueless Eldergay Thread

The kid clearly got into another school, be it U of Oklahoma or Tulane or Northwestern

That is why he is laughing in the video

SMH

The worst thing to happen to certain Dataloungers is The Preppy Handbook. 1) They didn't understand the satire and 2) they still think that world exists, if it ever did. Kind of sad.

He was unfortunate enough to be born the wrong skin color, so he needed to distinguish himself somehow. Even if it's BS, you have to play the game. You can't act like you want to get into a top ranked school just to get into a top ranked school even though that's the real reason 99% apply to most of these schools. In your application, you need to pretend that you really want to go to X above all else, love that X does research in Y because you've always had interest in Y (and connect it to classes and activities you chose as evidence of that), blah, blah.

Also, why was he applying to MIT? They are looking for nerds who have done nerdy things in high school. Even a black kid with those stats wouldn't get in without a nerdy background. A good student without a nerdy background is a waste of a spot in their eyes.

r211, you had time to read that screed?

So much blathering about stuff no one really knows anything about.

For one thing, there is a hick version of Affirmative Action, which is how we got stuck with JD Vance. There also is an effort to diversify the geographic base of most state universities--I recall all teh miserable people from places like California ho wound up at Vanderbilt when I had a reserach job .His smary admission video was not going to impress anyone---the attempt at pathos, the the likelihood that he's lying, which also applies to his GPA and test scores. There are plenty of strivers with more interesting stories to tell an admissions officer. Similarly, the people who qualify on some sort of numerical merit can be a mixed bag---not long ago I encountered a guy who had been a National Merit Scholar (a credential unmentioned by this guy) who had attended a second tier state university. He waslaspsing into psychossi and unable to manage his life (which was how I got to meet him). He alwasy was an outcast, didn't join activities except chess in high school. He wasn't going to get into MIT with a reseum like that. A real striver has clubs, volunteer activities or has shown industry by working and and also being engaged in school.

I have friends whose children were sought after by out of state "public ivies"---they had good grades, scores, and activities and as white as could be. The effects of Affirmative Action have always been exaggerated for overachieving white kids. This kid is a legend in his own mind, but basically just another vapid would be influencer. He'll probably wind up as some sort ofentreprenuer selling useless shit or some scammy charachter like Aaron Schock. A seat at OK's flagship university or the little known but not bad University of Tulsa seem like the best this guy will get.

I think conservatives actually love affirmative action, just as they love Satan.

Both give them excuses to live their lives with a guarantee that they will always have someone or something to blame for their shortcomings, their failures, their disappointments.

They are a cult of self-pity and victimization. What would they even do without affirmative action? From a political vantage point, it's in individual conservatives' interests to make sure affirmative action remains in place in universities; otherwise, they and and their academic-martyr children would have to accept that they are not in fact genetically and intellectually superior.

Surprised this isn't up here. Jay Caspian Kang wrote about admissions TikToks in the New Yorker. Heard him briefly discuss it on NPR too. TLDR: asian students use the tiktoks to commiserate and add examples of a perceived bias against asian students. And they don't mind doing so publicly.

There's a cute TikTok of him hitting on his hot band teacher. I can't find it right now. Does anyone remember which one it was?

What the Ivy League needs is a casting couch admissions route. Wouldn't be different than the other outrageously cynical influence peddling and diversity scams that are up and running for years now. I suppose the hot teens would have to take a gap year and start fucking to get head after they are 18.

You can skip the Ivy League altogether and still fuck your way to the top.

Record number of Asian-Americans accepted at Harvard. Blacks and Latinos down.

Harvard did it because of the persuasive arguments in the court case against them for asian discrimination.

We at the DataLounge University Inc. (DUI) like young people who are willing to put in the hard work, roll up their sleeves and when push comes to shove in these competing times take off their T-shirt altogether, especially to expose a vibrant buff torso.

Gideon, based on the following segment, you're in: welcome to the DUI. And don't forget: the DUI has worked very hard towards finding the right balance between work and life, so there is time to study but there is always time to be a naughty boy.

R219 is so right. Conservatives love to blame minorities for their failures

Notice they don't complain about white people like Lori Laughlin who cheated their way into school

[quote] So what could possibly be the reason for being outright rejected?

Less than 4% of applicants got into Harvard this year. They can ding you for wearing red shoes on a Thursday.

R198 - here's your citation. She wrote Black Lives Matter 100 times as her essay.

He reminds me of the entitled unhappy rich boys Mike White always puts into his seasons of "The White Lotus." Someone who will be a douche his entire life and who believes because he's rich and hunky he deserves whatever good things he gets.

My favorite story is of the student who applied to Brown and answered the essay question: "What is the most daring thing you have ever done?", with ," Fuck You!" He got in.

I find it hard to be sympathetic to those who post videos for attention and try to monetize every moment of their lives. TikTokers lie pathologically and so many videos are staged and doctored. And in the videos posted here, he seems annoying, smug and full of himself.

I want to see the video referenced above where he hits on his band teacher.

I somehow wound up the first viewer of Gideon’s response to the fuss

Beautiful pecs.

Perhaps Brown is reconsidering and has put him on a wait list. Each reveal of more flesh moves him closer.

I'd give a week's pay for his underpants.

He needs to show hole.

So there you have it, Gideon was woke the whole time and yet 50% of the comments bitter Ivy League queens who were hating on him for just for being a hot straight white boy.

^I was in a rush. I'm not dyslexic. Redo.

So there you have it, Gideon was woke the whole time and yet 50% of the comments are bitter Ivy League queens who were hating on him for just being a hot straight white boy.

DLers love to bend over backwards to defend privileged rich white straight frat boys who are more than often homophobic. These are the same types who would go fag-bashing no less than two decades ago. You all watch too much porn and it rattles your brain cells.

Who could have possibly thought this kid was conservative, half of his Tik Toks are about band and the drum line. And look at his friend group, not exactly the Young Republicans.

R240 Meh. It's still pathetic to be obsessed over a high schooler and know all his life from his TikToks. TikTok has way too many old farts on it and these influencer wannabes love making money off of old queens who thirst over them.

In one Tik-Tok Gideon complains about having too many pedophiles following him.

Is his band teacher a pedophile?

He can still attend an Ivy League. Reapply next year.

He’s not Ivy material.

He needs to take better care of his skin. Better diet. Those acne sores/scars around his lips... bleh.

He's hot from the neck down though. And he certainly has a sexy voice.

Pedo Eldergays want to make this kid the new Dylan Gleick (sp?)

That's a good idea. The new Dylan. But how can we if Gideon goes to some C list university? Where is the glamor!?

Why doesn't he take a gap year and go walk the European menswear?

There is absolutely no way to know why he didn't get in....maybe there was an equally douchey big dicked white guy who was willing to get sucked off by an admissions queen. Maybe the other candidate donated a kidney to a homeless man. Wtf knows.

I know the valedictorian of my school wasn't ivy league material so it isn't unheard of.

Same theme, different kid.

This video is the exact opposite of Tucker Junior's.

The student in this video is visibly quaking with nerves and his mom is standing over his shoulder as his personal cheerleader. It's wonderful to watch. Not because he got into some of the universities he aimed for but because of the real emotion and—at least relative to this Gideon asshole—his humility. He doesn't feel entitled to an acceptance.

R246 They place limits on how often people can apply. Harvard's limit is three. If you don't get in on your first try, it's best to move on with your life, do impressive things, show growth, leadership, and an ability to affect change then apply for a graduate or PhD program. The Admissions committees are unlikely to change their mind.

I was Zac. I got in to the bottom of the Ivies, too. How appropriate because within 2 years I was the campus bottom. Zac.... your future awaits.

If you are limited to three applications and rejected on the first but you are determined to attend the school, why not reapply?

Tuck the magic cuck required a letter of recommendation from a crackhead for his repugnant son"s college application.

These threads are fascinating in that they reveal how people looking from the outside in see the college admissions process.

Or at least the college admissions process for the top 50 or so colleges, not your local state campus or community college.

Ditto those who did actually go to a good college, but back in 1975 and haven't really kept up with the topic since then

And the inevitable posters who worked at a college and have a low-level admin view.

Maybe read some of what another homosexual, the NYT's Frank Bruni has written about college admissions, how it's become such a complete crap shoot and how that's meant the pool of what are considered "good" colleges, of the type that top companies recruit at, has expanded as a result.

R255 Because hard-headed determination is not enough to force them to change their minds. The three chances are merely a legal formality. Very few students are going to do enough to warrant admittance on a second try especially if the grades aren't there. It's why people are encouraged to gain real world experience before applying to these schools. If you don't have deep pockets, immense intellect, or a compelling narrative you're not getting in. Just being smart and delivering a paint by numbers application is not enough.

I watched the YouTube apologia posted above and he says that he didn't suggest any contentious reason why he was rejected, but he made this reply to someone's post before his video went viral.

What are we supposed to read into that comment?

The only message I can read into it is "it's because I'm white," and that's because other commenters on his videos including in that very thread are telling him he was discriminated against for being white.

We can read into the innuendo. It's not that sophisticated.

Speaking of which, he called non-AP classes "dumb people classes" in a caption in one of his videos. He must be hated by a lot of people in his school. He comes across like a male Regina George to me.

I love comments like "He's not Ivy material". Thousands upon thousands of people who could handle the workload get rejected from Ivy League schools.

As for affirmative action, yes, it sucks. The Supreme Court will rule against AA in both public and private schools in a few months. Some schools will give it up. Many schools will try to still have it, just secretly. When stats show that the numbers haven't changed much at some schools, there will be more lawsuits. It'll be an ongoing game.

Legacy admits are equally as disgusting as affirmative action and should also be banned. Good luck with that one tho.

And seriously what the fuck does he think people are going to think and say when they see this??

So what college did he get into? The clip doesn’t really answer the question. He’s just stripping off his shirt.

I like all his norm core slave boy BFFs. He could make bank as a findom.

Oberlin and he's embarrassed because its for queers.

R262, Bovine University.

Zac sent his vocal portfolio to accompany his applications.

[quote] Oberlin and he's embarrassed because its for queers.

Oberlin is for SJW, ugly lesbians who don't bathe or shave , but spend all of their time finding things that they can claim offend them. Then they immediately post it on social media. Their behavior is exactly like the eastern liberal arts dykes who gave us " wokeism" and " cancel culture."

Zac is an adorable square. So sincere.

R267 tell us how you really feel. Show us on the non-binary Ken-Barbie hybrid where the SJW touched you.

A favorite school of eastern liberal arts college wimmin.

Oh, he's a tool.

" I was rejected because I'm white". Most of the students accepted are white.

r267 probably goes to Bob Jones where people are triggered by interracial dating, premarital sex, and R-rated movies

He's from Bixby, Oklahoma so his parents are NOT rich! And Bixby High School is ranked the 16th best high school in Oklahoma which ranks at 49th in the nation in education. That kid is fucking delusional.

It's harder to get into an Ivy (or any top school) than ever. Harvard only admits like 5% of students who apply and that % is similar across as the Ivy league. I agree with r257 that so many of the people pretending to be offended by this or blaming minorities are people who don't understand how much harder it is to get into an Ivy now than when they were applying to colleges. Just because you got into Harvard with gentleman Cs in 1968 doesn't mean it's easy to get in today. Even valedictorians get rejected by Ivys today.

Did Uncle Bottom ever tell us how his young friend and neighbor Joel got into Cornell? Liberal Arts even, not the Ag School.

If he applied to Oberlin, he is not a conservative.

Why does a high school like that even have AP and Honors classes, wouldn’t it be better to use those resources towards students who really need it instead of creating grade inflation for a few students who can handle the basic state education credentials?

I don't think HS teachers should be giving AP classes. Anywhere. But I'm an elitist. What's wrong with 4 years of HS classes with good teachers and some time for work or sports or drinking? SMART people need down time and dream time and play time, too. They shouldn't be cramming all this nonsense in some boondoggle competition for highly selective colleges.

He doesn't seem like a future beain suregon. If he doesn't get into an Ivy or someplace of similar prestige, it won't be the end of the world. There are no guarantees that AP courses will get you into the most prestigeous schools.

There is so much more that should go into choosing a school than just going after schools that are in the Ivy League.

For example, if you're going to have a career in/attend grad school in computer science, Georgia Tech is a better choice than Harvard. Georgia Tech may not make any DLers moist, but employers and grad schools know that it has the better, more demanding undergrad program.

Of course, if one is just choosing computer science as the undergrad degree and has no desire to ever to use it (maybe going on to law school), then Harvard is the better choice.

That applies to many situations.

Now I'm super curious about what will happen after this summer once the Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action. Will it affect white applicants or will it only boost Asian applicants with the top academic credentials, who felt they were being discriminated against. After all, that was the entire premise of the lawsuit.

I have a sneaking suspicion the outcome isn't going to be what the white mediocre ivy applicants like this guy expect. My personal prediction is Asians get only a slight boost - up to max 33-35%, the URMs drop 5-9%, and more rich white legacy applicants get accepted.

Universities like Harvard are not going to suddenly abandon all equity initiatives aimed at giving disadvantaged people an onramp just because Affirmative Action is no longer mandated. The horse has left the barn. If they do that, then they will be betraying their own DEIB values, they'll be branded as racist institution and will suffer irreparable reputational damage, and they'll attract explicitly racist applicants. I don't see that happening.

Affirmative Action was mandated because there was no way to break through systemic racism and people did not understand what it is. Now people understand, understanding it is actually part of academic curricula and also taught to staff and evaluated by governing boards. This is a different era.

I got into USC by pretending to be an elite rower, but these guys would rather complain about black people!

R188

Another aspect of going to a school like Harvard is that the pool of talent is very deep. You are surrounded by highly intelligent and accomplished peers, from whom you learn and with whom you compete.

In my Brown and Harvard applications I explained how I loved the super rich, and the jet set, and being a bootstrapper who fortunately was blessed with 10/10 looks and gifted athleticism, I wanted to use my atouts to befriend and bed golden boys and sulky riche bobo trustafarians and some of those European or Arab princelings. Or all of them. To learn their tricks and get it out of my system, because I hated that I loved the elegant but decadent glamazons. They admitted me but also sent my file to the FBI. Twisted.

R280: Georgia Tech is probably fine for further study in any number of fields---but better than Harvard or any fill-in the blank is a hopeless statement to make. The markers of quality usually lag (publication records reflect work that was done in the past) or have flaws (reputational surveys).

Even if there was an expansion of Cletus Affirmative Action, this guy would have trouble competing.

Affirmative action was not mandated and the Supreme Court will PROHIBIT it.

Are we sure Ivies don’t just write off all students from Oklahoma being a state that’s 49th in education in the country to being with? That would help streamline admissions processes.

Harvard likes to be able to say it has students from all 50 states, but they probably have a relationship with the best high schools in Oklahoma .

His hardship and survival narrative having been born with a micropenis.

The real reason he got rejected was because he put Christian stuff and church stuff on his application. Ivies in the year 2023 are not accepting anyone less than full blown woke and preferably people who have connections with the DNC. Church stuff makes you look like a crypto conservative. If a black trans girl put on her application that she studied Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand, she would get rejected too.

OP replies to itself a lot

What's the point of replies like r292?

Fascinating how most of these comments come under the category of tell me you're from the US without saying you're from the US: Mention race/gender.

You lot are obsessed with it, something to work on there.

Concerned Aspirational White Boy Teen Moms

Answers.

He's broke and his parents are asshole cunts. But he's cute and the eye and attention goes to him. He'll be an alpha wherever he ends up.

[quote] "Every Ivy League" doesn't mean "only Ivy League". Smartass.

R3, Hey smartass, "every" means all, and he didn't get rejected by all the Ivy League schools. Like you, he's designed for community college.

Pedophiles? Why the FUCK would a pedophile follow or message him?

R22 You're an asshole! Now you're just trying to sully his name, because several people before you pointed out that the rejections are due to his being white (i.e., affirmative action, with a good dose of anti-white bias) and you can't refute that.

Woke liberals are anti-meritocracy, because blacks can't keep up academically, so their solution is to lower the standards for everyone and hire people based on skin color/sex (women of color are their prized targets) and not based on talent, hard work, or even if they have the constitution for the job.

Anyone involved in the arts, which has become rampant with wokeness, knows how damaging being anti-meritocracy has been to film and theater.

In the wake of the 2020 George Floyd riots, Hollywood and Broadway fired a bunch of longtime, white (mainly male) writers/creatives and replaced them with diversity hires. Now look at all the shit coming out of Hollywood and Broadway lately.

Woke liberals are all about the feels and kumbaya and are very shortsighted.

Academia, the birth place of wokeness, is also going down the shitter. They don't challenge the students anymore. They go on about the right being anti-education. So are they. It's a race to the bottom.

He's very cute. He reminds me of that Avatar twink, Jack Champion.

R300 You can call *me* the asshole, but I do get Tucker Carlson-esque vibes.

I will enumerate some reasons here.

1. He's extremely arrogant. He's just a high school kid, but he presents himself as superior to others, and one objective demonstration is that he calls non-AP classes "dumb people classes." This shows that he looks down on others, and a reality of AP classes that he likely is blind to is that many students who take them have private tutoring, which requires a degree of family wealth and free time. Poorer students who can't afford tutoring are less likely to take such classes. Poorer students whose parents did not go to college are less likely to take such classes because they don't understand the value of them and they may have no college savings and can't even dare to dream about getting into an Ivy-League university because the sticker price is $60,000+ per year. But Tucker Junior (and now I am assuming you, as well) will not consider these are real factors among "dumb" students who don't live blindly in the realm of luxury.

2. As soon as he posted his rejection video, people began to comment that he was rejected because he is a white boy. He did not refute any of those comments with responses; HOWEVER, he did reply to someone that "we all know why I was rejected." He knows and I know AND you know, although you may not admit it, that that was meant as a dog-whistle suggestion it's because he is white. That is a Tucker Junior move.

3. His bizarre video "I just got rejected from Ivy universities—I'm going to overthrow the government!" doesn't make any sense to me either as something to be taken seriously or as a joke. Whatever he intended to convey with that, he failed to convey it. But the whole idea that he would come up with that of all things, a joke (?) about a coup in response to college rejections, is a crazy attention-seeking action and it's right up the alley of Tucker Junior.

[quote] Woke liberals are anti-meritocracy, because blacks can't keep up academically, so their solution is to lower the standards for everyone and hire people based on skin color/sex (women of color are their prized targets) and not based on talent, hard work, or even if they have the constitution for the job.

First, it is needless to point this out but I am going to anyway: the comment about "blacks" is blatantly racist.

Second, I know the person I quoted would not even consider this and so I am writing it for others' benefits: I HIGHLY recommend this book. It breaks down exactly how the notion of higher-ed institutions as a meritocracy was never true, and how selective, elite universities in particular are designed specifically to admit and empower rich students and have barriers by design to keep poorer students from being admitting and advancing. Because Black people in the US are disproportionately much poorer to begin with, this university design serves as a way to keep poorer Black people from advancing just as it does all other poorer people, but it has a greater generational effect throughout the Black population because Black people cannot access means to advance more often. It's a cycle created by design specifically to divide the classes.

Quite ironically, this book is based on research by a professor who runs a center at Georgetown University—the university that admitted Ivanka and Eric Trump and graduated Tiffany Trump and which was ensnared in the Varsity Blues scandal, absolutely complicit in doing what the authors discuss.

If you are racist, then you won't consider any of the research presented because it is condemning. But freaking out and yelling "the blacks! The blacks!!" is not an adequate distraction from valid research.

[quote] The philosophical underpinnings of the higher education system we aspired to create formed two separate systems demarcated by race and class.

[quote] The inequalities in college preparation and access are rooted in racial and economic segregation in housing and schools.

[quote] In their pursuit of money and prestige, selective colleges favor the wealthy and reinforce intergenerational privilege.

[quote] The government subsidizes elite higher education as a luxury good for the affluent while denying non-selective colleges and their students the resources needed to ensure that students graduate.

[quote] The legal battles over education access show why relying on the judicial system to bring equality is a mistake.

R302 your thoughtful post is quite ignorant.

Just for starters, the meritocracy admits to Ivy League universities do not pay. These are need blind universities.

Poor white man

Gideon

[quote]Poor white man

Let's see : are you racist or sexist? Probably both.

When one doesn’t get into any of the top colleges with great grades, something else is wrong with the application.

It has nothing to do with being white. They likely looked into his videos and saw something they didn’t want on their campuses. Maybe his essay showed too much pride. Who knows—but there is something we’re not seeing just from his videos

[Quote] Woke liberals are anti-meritocracy, because blacks can't keep up academically, so their solution is to lower the standards for everyone and hire people based on skin color/sex (women of color are their prized targets) and not based on talent, hard work, or even if they have the constitution for the job.

Whites have ghettoized blacks into areas with poorly-funded schools and blame blacks for falling behind academically.

Typical

Puhleez, R4.

Even I have standards.

So... has he ever said what schools accepted him, or where he plans to matriculate?

Oh, I hope he does that in the privacy of his bedroom. Or even the shower.

r309 The worst performing schools also get the most funding.

If that Spongebob video is for real, he could have discovered a new, 5-minute cure for AIDS in Chemistry, and Harvard still wouldn't have let him in the place. The only way he'd get into an Ivy League college is in a jar of formaldehyde.

R288

It's an advantage to be a top student from an underrepresented state. That was true even before there was affirmative action based on race. States like New York and Massachusetts have tons of students who would be qualified and be assets. That's not as true for a state like Oklahoma.

Because OK and its sister states comprise the Land of the Mouth-Breathing Morons. Hence the kind of governments that they all have.

R296

He should go to college and buckle down or take a year off, as a post-grad at a private school or traveling or working. He could reapply and make an interesting essay out of his rude awakening to social media.

R294

Because other countries with sizable heterogeneous populations don't care about race or gender. Everything is fair, racism and sexism are dead, it's no disadvantage to be poor and everything is hunky-dory.

R277

So the more advanced students aren't supposed to be challenged? It's a big world out there, they may be the smartest kids in their high school, but there are many high schools, with even brighter students. It's funny, because some states have extremely selective public high schools to which bright kids who want to be challenged apply and some people bitch about them too. They say the special high schools are skimming the best students and that those students should be stuck in their mediocre high schools "helping" the students who are less advanced.

R274

Being a valedictorian was never a guarantee of getting into an Ivy League school, especially the most competitive ones. There was a speech about looking to the right and to the left of you and how many of the students were valedictorians but they could have picked other highly qualified people, including valedictorians, for the class. At my highly competitive Ivy professional school, the dean made a point of saying that they could have selected a class in which every student had perfect grades and scores. They didn't because that wasn't the educational environment they wanted to create.

NOTE TO R277: There is a national test for AP classes administered by the College Board.

Grades are on a 1 to 5 scale with 5 being the best and most colleges will not give you credit if you don't get a 5. (Most don't anyway, but that's another story...)

College admissions want to know (a) how did you do on the test and (b) what percentage of kids in your high school got over a 4 on the test.

Plus no top 50 college is letting you in if you don't have a couple of APs each semester starting junior year.

This is a recent article about affirmative action by an Asian student who is a senior at Yale. I'm sorry subscription is required but I've never succeeded in posting a gift link. There are other ways to access the NYT articles. Maybe someone will make this available.

[quote]Michael Wang was an ideal college applicant. He had a 4.67 G.P.A., a product of excelling in the more than a dozen A.P. classes that he’d taken. He was also on the debate team, played piano and sang in the choir for President Barack Obama’s inauguration in 2008.

Yet even with all his accomplishments, he was rejected by six of the seven Ivy League colleges he applied to, as well as Stanford. He filed a complaint with the Department of Education accusing three of the schools of discrimination.

I remember reading about him as a young teenager already anxious about applying to college. I was indignant on his behalf. More than that, I was worried. He had done everything I was striving to do. And if he couldn’t go where he wanted to, what did that mean for me?

Mr. Wang’s story was the first of its kind that I remember, but it certainly wasn’t the last. Elite college admissions have gotten even more competitive since 2012, when Mr. Wang was applying, and every year, around the time that Ivy admissions decisions go out (this year, Thursday is “Ivy Day”) stories similar to Mr. Wang’s abound. The accounts always say the applicants did everything right, and often mention that they have Black or brown classmates with less impressive résumés who got better results.

Despite my fears that I would become another Asian American name to add to those who seemingly qualified but were rejected by elite colleges, when the time came, in 2017, I applied to 12 schools. While I wasn’t accepted by all of them, I did get into Yale, where I am now in my final year, majoring in American studies.

I think of stories about upwardly mobile second-generation Asian Americans differently now, as the Supreme Court seems poised to dismantle race-based admissions policies. Those stories may be emblematic of the type of country we like to believe ourselves to be — a place where anyone can work hard and succeed without the need to pull strings or call in favors. That is why it can seem so outrageous when the stories don’t have a fairy-tale ending.

[bold]But their appeal is based on a false premise: that if you reach certain achievements, you’re entitled to admission to the elite college of your choice. No one is, me included.[/bold] [/quote]

^^^ Sorry about the quote. I thought I nested the tags properly.

What many of the posters on this thread seem to miss is that there are, broadly, three types o high school

There are certain (but not most) private schools and and public high schools in very affluent suburbs (e..g Gunn in Palo Alto) where 75% of the class is going to wind up at a top 50 college, where the admissions officers at those schools talk to the college guidance counselors regularly and where almost every kid has their own private college counselor as well.

Those kids all know the Admissions Game because everyone in their orbit does and they've been groomed since birth or thereabouts to have the right resume. The Ivies increasingly want nothing to do with then, which is why the next tier of schools (say the top 30 as per US News) are now full of them and why investment banks and consulting firms recruit at those schools too --the children of their managing partners are there.

And then there are all those middle class white kid schools where maybe half the class goes to college but they're not all that groomed and the valedictorian usually winds up at the state's flagship university and the top 10% go there too and everyone else winds up at a commuter school. Admissions committees at top schools are often very skeptical of high grades from these schools because they are usually not as rigorous as the first grouping and, more importantly, the admissions committee doesn't know anything about the school.

And then there are poor white rural schools and poor POC inner city schools and maybe one or two kids get out and if they're lucky, if they've got a teacher or relative looking out for them, they might wind up at at an Ivy or similar. Otherwise they wind up at a lesser school that is looking to round out their diversity line-up and is willing to take a shot at a kid who may need a lot of remedial academic help and a full scholarship to boot.

[Quote] The worst performing schools also get the most funding.

Nonsense. Most funding is local—based on the taxes of a community. Richer communities thus fund their schools more.

The Federal Dept of Education was created to help remedy this by funding poorer schools, but its funding doesn’t even come close to the local tax funding

What I find with top Ivy League students is, not only do they have great grades, they also have each done something unusual to make them stand out—the ones I’ve met did things like write an opera, have had a part on Bway show, climbed Mt Everest, worked with leaders in Ecuador to work on its health system, and on and on

r325 The worst inner city schools get endless money thrown at them. High performing suburban schools run on comparatively very lean budgets.

[quote] Michael Wang was an ideal college applicant. He had a 4.67 G.P.A., a product of excelling in the more than a dozen A.P. classes that he’d taken. He was also on the debate team, played piano and sang in the choir for President Barack Obama’s inauguration in 2008.

What is this all about?

What is the purpose of a "top" university? I would love people to answer this question as practically as you can.

I always thought the purpose of higher education is to expand one's knowledge while also learn to think more critically and gain worldly experience.

Why should playing piano be a factor for university admission unless the student will be a music student?

Why should singing in a choir behind the president of the United States be a factor in college admissions?

Why are these sorts of things factors? To what end?

It seems to me that universities are more esteemed when they are more discriminatory, and it seems to me that the competitive university-admissions processes are less processes for identifying students who will thrive academically and fit in on campus, and more about discriminating among teenagers to identify those who are supposedly innately superior in every measurable way.

That's disturbing. It's like the receiving end of eugenics; since kids can't be bred for superior qualities, we will sort them for it as they reach young adulthood.

Selectively screening/discriminating among college applicants has nothing to do with the purpose of universities,

He looks like the Ohio State University type.

If he's from Oklahoma, where is his accent?

[Quote] The worst inner city schools get endless money thrown at them. High performing suburban schools run on comparatively very lean budgets.

Certainly not endless money. We often see that parents in wealthier districts donate far more for such things as school supplies and class trips than poor parents ever could.

The biggest issues isn’t money. It’s that poor people don’t understand education as a way to get out of poverty. Kids don’t get support from their parents to study hard to get out of the ghetto.

That said, poverty is a societal decision. I never blame the person who is poor like the right loves to. The right is doing it to justify why the rich should stay rich—because they apparently “earned” all that money by “working hard.”

Kids in good school districts are competing against each other as well as other smart kids nationwide.

Each Ivy League will only take 1 or 2 from that great high school. Lots of kids have great grades.

[quote]If he's from Oklahoma, where is his accent?

Not everybody has a regional accent.

[quote] If he's from Oklahoma, where is his accent?

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[quote]Why should playing piano be a factor for university admission unless the student will be a music student? Why should singing in a choir behind the president of the United States be a factor in college admissions?

Many of the " top schools" were afraid that if they based admissions totally on academic achievement, their admissions would be overwhelmingly Asian-American, so they added the factor of outside academic activities, hoping to stem the tide, under the guise of wanting a well-rounded student. Asian-American students took the challenge and have excelled in extra-curricular activities also.

As we see from the Univ of California schools, if you end affirmative action, those spots will all be taken by Asians, not whites people.

[Quote] Why should playing piano be a factor for university admission unless the student will be a music student? Why should singing in a choir behind the president of the United States be a factor in college admissions?

Why must it only be about academics? Colleges are trying to admit diverse communities, not academic robots

The main problem is he’s really only DL cute

R337 well it's an academic institution so....funny how when whites in the US fall behind suddenly it's about "diversity".

Asians blow all other students out of the water. They come from countries where you don't even get admitted to any colleges without top scores so they come prepared.

[quote] Asian-American students took the challenge and have excelled in extra-curricular activities also.

Not really R335

They tend to gravitate towards the same ones -- violin and piano, individual sports like fencing and swimming, a type of debate that is about memorizing speeches rather than making arguments on the fly. That makes it all too easy for the admissions committees to group them and reject them.

AP English (there are two of them -AP Lang and AP Lit) is always their kryptonite too and another way colleges can ding them.

It's really interesting to me that women and girls are significantly outpacing and outperforming men and boys in schools and universities, and the dwindling share of men is panicking people, and they're calling it a crisis and demanding interventions.

It's not as if women and men shared a 50/50 educational split and then this happened. Men were dominant by far until women caught up and then began to beat them...that's a crisis. It wasn't a crisis when men were leading. I find that both sad and funny.

R340 I was working at an awards show at the Beverly Hills Hotel years ago. My coworkers and I were milling around outside the ballroom hours before people would begin to arrive, and a young coworker of mine sat down at the grand piano. I expected tinkling of keys, but she threw her whole body into a dramatic classical composition—I'm not fluent in classical music, but it had the sort of tempo I associate with Rachmaninoff—and she played for a minute or two and everyone in the room turned around to watch her. She abruptly stopped playing and got up, and she didn't appear proud or embarrassed or anything at all.

I said something like, "Oh my God, Jane, I had no idea you could play piano like that. Why aren't you a professional musician."

She rolled her eyes and said matter of factly, "Oh course I can. I'm Korean. All Korean parents force their kids to learn piano. I hate it."

The gender gap is not an issue at the TOP universities. They can easily admit an equal number of qualified men as women.

Go to any public library in the land on a weekday afternoon: it's going to be filled with Asian and Indian high schoolers, being coached by their tutors in math and the sciences. Little blond Parker won't be there, he's at footbaw practice and his sister Maddysyn is at cheer squad or gymnastics. They will both soon be working for their Asian and Indian counterparts as nurse's aids, admin, etc. It's the American way. Stupidity is woven into the fabric of Amerikkkan Kulture.

It is kind of funny that the racists think that black people are stealing all the slots. Those stories about some black kid getting into all the Ivies is just clickbait, that's not happening on any major scale. All of you screaming about meritocracy need to understand that the Asians and Indians are going to be the majority populations at the Ivies, not white kids.

^BECAUSE their families prioritize the grades, and pay for tutors to see to it that their kids do the work and learn the subjects.

[quote]Why should playing piano be a factor for university admission unless the student will be a music student? Why should singing in a choir behind the president of the United States be a factor in college admissions?[/quote]

It makes the school a more interesting place. An Ivy League college is not an academic trade school. It has lots of students who are brilliant in a conventionally narrow way with perfect scores and grades, but not everyone is like that. The top ones have students who are outstanding in one way or another. Usually, it's a combination of intellect, personality, and achievements. With so many qualified, deserving students, there is an element of randomness in the selection.

r347 People have very low standards for brilliance. I can think of about 10 people alive in the world I would consider to be brilliant. Most of these students including Ivy Leaguers have no interest in what they study and will never pick up a single book after graduation.

The focus on extracurricular activities has nothing to do with Asians. If anything, it would have started to limit the number of Jews decades ago.

Yeah, I would say most of the intellectually curious and fascinating minds at Ivy-League universities who really are into their studies are the minority population of poorer kids who actually do squeak through on merit.

The majority, the ones who would not qualify on merit without infleuntial people getting them in, know that they are there to network, network, network and make themselves memorable to influential people who can connect them with money and powerful positions.

I think Zuck, who grew up roch, got his initial investors for Facebook through Harvard connections.

That is what the Ivy Leagues really are for to people who are not working their ways up from the ground. The brand is a seal of approval for idiots like Bush and Trump, and being there is a lifelong foundation of people who will give you money and get you out of trouble when you break the law. The poor geniuses who actually study there are oblivious.

Mark Zuckerburg grew up in Westchester county above New York City in Dobbs Ferry, which tends to lean more towards the middle class compared to Tony, wealth6 places places like Bronxville, Scarsdale or Rye.

Only AP and Dual Enrollment classes give a GPA bump. Honors classes don't.

He's released a follow up video:

He doesn't like how his "funny" video has been misconstrued and used for R/W politics. He says they don't align with anything he intended and wants to be left out of it. He only came to make fun videos.

[/bold]He says he didn't expect to get accepted in the first place for "a million reasons"[/bold] but here's a few:

[quote]"I took my application seriously... but maybe not too seriously -- I'm one of 100's of thousands of students with high ACTs and high GPAs - I took a risk by making my essay about Spongebob... which backfired apparently -- I lacked a lot of things Ivy Leagues look for such as Passion Projects -- [bold]And over all it just wasn't a great application]/bold]"

R353 That video has been shared twice above.

Thanks, R354. I scanned the replies but there's so many I missed the ones who shared the follow up vid.

Glad others have seen it.

[quote]I think Zuck, who grew up roch,

Is that his first name? Gee, I always thought it was Mark. What kind of name is Roch, anyway?

Stay Gold Datalounge

Zuckerberg's father was a dentist and he went to Exeter for high school.

And while Dobbs Ferry is more low key than Scarsdale, it's not exactly middle class.

Here you go. Discrimination in college admissions.

^ [quote] In 2019, the average SAT score among all test-takers was 1059; the average score amongst Asian students was a robust 1223. Asian students’ mean score on the English section was 586 versus a 637 on the Math section. Researchers at Princeton University found that applicants who identify as Asian need to score 140 points higher on the SAT than a white applicant in order to have an equal chance at admission into an elite college—they dubbed this the “Asian tax” in college admissions.

I’ve lived in Westchester, trust me many of those communities look down on Dobbs Ferry, it’s no Ardsley or Mount Vernon, but it’s not considered exclusive or impressive.

Point of reference, Jesse McCartney teen popstar/actor was from Ardsley.

Why do you people get hung up on what towns look down on other towns? Is this a DL thing or is this happening in the real world?

Chicago's new mayor

[quote] I’ve lived in Westchester, trust me, [italic]back in 1972 when I lived there[/italic] many of those communities look down on Dobbs Ferry, it’s no Ardsley or Mount Vernon, but it’s not considered exclusive or impressive.

Fixed

^^I might also add that whether or not the Jews of Scarsdale looked down on the Jews of Dobbs Ferry, Dr. Zuckerberg, DDS made enough money to send his boy Mark to Exeter. And understood the value of Mark going to Exeter over the local public high school.

Which was the original point being debated--whether Dr. Zuckerberg, DDS was well off or just middle class.

R373, our country will become even dumber.

R21 gets it.

[quote]applicants who identify as Asian need to score 140 points higher on the SAT than a white applicant in order to have an equal chance at admission

Interesting, now tell us the numbers for black and Latino.

He seems the type that has a skin bridge or two on the head of his cock from an improperly healed routine infant circumcision.

Education in Asia has been the topic of many a critical study - the dehumanization of students so that in South Korea, academic pressure is the chief cause of death by suicide. However, no one spoke up until Seo Taiji in the 90's who led the young people into revolution with his music which was critical of that system of education. Here he is, backed up by BTS with the song that caused him to be condemned by the government. It was presented at his 25th Anniversary Concert. Be sure to click the CC button. So, sometimes academic achievement comes at a price.

R366, are you typing from the future?

Yes, r371, I am.

Interesting