Checkmate, Disney

Thoughts and prayers.

A billion dollar multinational has better lawyers than a GOP-funded state and found a loophole? Who would have thought!

HAW-HAW!

[...]

And the State-appointed idiots signed it, so it's going to be difficult for the state to undo it. I wonder if Disney had this up their sleeve a while ago, which is why they said yes to the new board?

One of the guys he appointed to the Disney board thinks homosexuality is caused by drinking tap water

Flush Ron Cha-cha 👠 DeSantis

Well, this made what's left of my day. And I'm not really much of a Disney fan anymore.

The most difficult opponent he’s faced was a black bisexual methhead with corruption problems even for Florida.

^^^ And he still only won by 32,000 votes (0.4%)

Even with “help”.

I, along with my legal team, came up with this plan!

In the dick measuring contest, Mickey's was bigger than Ron's.

I told you before! Don't mess with the mouse.

Annette! Are you an authenticated poster from the grave? the great beyond?! Welcome to DL you former Mouseketeer and beach bunny.

Everyone keeps saying that fat boy DeSantis is dangerous because he's smarter than Trump. I have yet to see any evidence of that 🤔

Hey, Ron...

After my struggles in the earthly realm, I was able to break the bonds and move on to the next plane.

My postings here on DataLounge are few - but I try to keep my hand in at the appropriate times.

AND yes, Tim Considine was a terrific kisser - just ask Tommy Kirk.

I wonder if Florida could use the point that there is no king of England, and so the duration is defined by reference to a fictitious person. That would be funny if the agreement were voided because of a mistake by the drafter.

[quote]Welcome to DL you former Mouseketeer and beach bunny.

Does the little lord baby jesus make you shave that mustache in the great beyond?

It's a NEW ANNETTE, r15...

First, something which makes me happy is that they waited until he had already taken a victory lap before doing this. It just makes him look that much more pathetic.

Second, a tidbit from the comments that I had forgotten (or didn't know) is that the law firm of Cooper and Kirk--who employ the gov's former roommate...Adam Laxalt--bills at almost $800/hour. So, the longer this is in litigation, the more taxpayer funds get funneled into private hands (Just like tripling the annual salary for the new president of the college DeSantis seized. Except the firm is in DC)

Third from JoeMyGod:

[quote] WFTV worked with an independent attorney who specializes in government law to analyze the agreement Wednesday morning. Upon initial review, the attorney said the agreement appeared to be valid. “I’m struggling to find a reason why it’s unlawful,” the attorney said, noting the type of agreement struck was normal between large developers and governments, it was properly noticed and Reedy Creek’s leadership willingly entered into it.

[quote] The unusual part, the attorney said, was the powers the agreement locked in. However, the attorney noted nothing about the existing structure of Reedy Creek was normal and, in that context, the agreement made sense. They also said Reedy Creek and Florida lawmakers could run into constitutional issues if they tried to undo the agreement since governments can’t impair existing contracts.

Which also makes his administration look sloppy. The old board followed all of the rules including Sunshine laws about posting public notices. His minions fucked up, plain and simple.

Fourth:

I thought that Disney went soft on DeSantis too quickly.

Like many, I'm not really a Disney fan but this move was a masterpiece.

DeSantas cannot even outwit Disney. How effective can he be as President against Putin?

Iger was brought in to take out the trash and slam the lid shut.

Against Putin?

He’s a Repug. He’s working for Putin.

Trying to break up that agreement would be, I think, something called Tortious Interference.

[quote] Disney just completely stripped the power from Ron DeSantis’ handpicked board that was supposed to oversee Disney World’s government services.

[quote] In an amazing move of legal genius, Walt Disney Co. quietly pushed through a pact and restrictive covenants that would tie the hands of future board members for DECADES.

[quote] According to one lawyer, Disney’s move “completely circumvents the authority of (DeSantis’) board to govern.”

[quote] Disney defended the agreements and said they acted within the law.

Would someone kindly give the Cliff Notes version of what they did so I don’t have to click in Twitter links?

Dazzle them with brilliance or baffle them with bullshit.

Don't fuck with Disney. Bitch.

the state has the power through eminent domain to overrule

R33 - Um, no. They would have done that to begin with if they had that right.

r24 not many people, much less companies can outwit the Mouse. Only other titans, like Apple, could make them shake and titans know to stay in their own lanes.

I love that they added the clause about the survivors of King Charles. Basically a FU to point out how easy this was and embarrass that shit Desantis

Pudding on the walls and the floor in the Florida's governor's mansion tonight, y'all!

Never bet against the Mouse.

[quote]... the clause about the survivors of King Charles

Could you explain, please?

R29:

[quote] The current supervisors of the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District said at a meeting that their predecessors last month signed a development agreement with the company that gave Disney maximum developmental power over the theme park resort's 27,000 acres in central Florida.

[...]

[quote] The new supervisors replaced a board that had been controlled by Disney during the previous 55 years that the government operated as the Reedy Creek Improvement District. The new board members held their first meeting earlier this month and said they found out about the agreement after their appointments.

[quote] "We're going to have to deal with it and correct it," board member Brian Aungst said Wednesday. "It's a subversion of the will of the voters and the Legislature and the governor. It completely circumvents the authority of this board to govern."

[quote] In a statement, Disney said all agreements were above board and took place in public.

[quote] "All agreements signed between Disney and the District were appropriate, and were discussed and approved in open, noticed public forums in compliance with Florida's Government in the Sunshine law," the statement said.

R39, please see R30. It seems to me that it is avoiding saying "forever" by saying instead "21 years after _____", with that variable being the (arbitrary?) designation of the last surviving member of the House of Windsor.

R30, it's explained at R30. It's an old principle of common law that you can't have a contract that runs in perpetuity. That's what the "rule against perpetuities" is. So, to give any agreement an effective end date, you can set it to run for the lifetime of any person you choose, plus 21 years. In this case, Disney comically chose the measuring life to be the last surviving descendant of Charles III (i.e., his longest-lived grandchild), plus 21 years.

[QUOTE] I wonder if Florida could use the point that there is no king of England, and so the duration is defined by reference to a fictitious person. That would be funny if the agreement were voided because of a mistake by the drafter

Charles was automatically king the instant Elizabeth kicked the bucket.

R41 - It says something like 'last surviving descendant', not 'last current surviving descendant'. That means it could be good for a good chunk of a millennium. On another note, there is something short of 650 people officially listed in the line to the throne.

I’d like to know DeSantis’ reaction when he found out he’d been played by Mickey. Did he slap his wife and kids when he got home? Or, flip over the dining room table? Shoot his dog? His fuck up has made me very happy.

I'd be throwing Big Mac's! There'd be ketchup all over the walls!

And, remind me please, this all started by Rhonda putting her hoof down regarding gays at Disney?

I looooooooove this.

I hate to rain on this parade, I’ll be accused of concern trolling *but*…..based on his publicist’s statement about this (or whoever she was, don’t recall her title), I think he will just stay silent. What does that mean? The entire right-wing media machine will give this story zero coverage. The vast majority of them won’t even know this story is a thing.

In terms of strategy, our own media should beat this fat dead horse mercilessly for one month straight. And I hate stooping to their level, but Biden and other key leaders should comment on this repeatedly and point out how fucking stupid Ronnie is. Business leaders especially — show that successful corporate leaders think he knows ZERO about governing or creating a healthy business climate. We MUST kick him while he’s down, and if we are ruthless enough, this is enough to permanently remove him from being a contender for the Presidency, forever.

He might not mention it, R47, but he'll know. We'll know. Trump will know. Everyone who wants to bring him down is laughing about it, behind his back and right in his fat face, and they know.

Everyone already knows Meatball got mouse fucked in his own little fatboy kingdom by the red sea.

R48, you are so right, knowing he’ll be completely emasculated and made the butt of thousands of jokes is a delicious reward. Thank you.

Val Demings, Florida needs you.

Yeah, but it certainly doesn't deserve her. It reelected Rubio over her. Idiots.

R43, I’m under the impression that “surviving” in legal parlance means someone who was alive when the person died, i.e. they survived, when Charles did not.

[quote] The entire right-wing media machine will give this story zero coverage. The vast majority of them won’t even know this story is a thing.

Not if Trump can help it. He will tell his MAGA base how Ron was beaten by a mouse. Day after day.

Sadly, our corporations have long been more powerful than our government. But gladly, Disney used that power for good (in this case anyway).

The reference to the reign of a real King is a nice extra dig to the would-be King of the Swamp State.

Republican legislators do this all the time before a Democratic Governor is to be sworn in - they try to strip the office of power with the cooperation of the outgoing Gov. Turnabout is fair play.

And added to that, Disney will be hosting the biggest LBGT party this year.

Exactly, R56 and this is how Dems need to play the game.

Well, I had wondered why Disney never spoke about this or denounced it or said that that fat asshole was overstepping.

This is glorious on so many levels.

$800.00 an hour lawyers? Wow. They certainly earned their pay.

So they will.not be able to change or do anything? Whatever changes these assholes were planning are not gonna be done?

[quote] I’m under the impression that “surviving” in legal parlance means someone who was alive when the person died,

If King Chuck can just hold on another 12 years or so, I wouldn't put it past Charlotte to get knocked up at age 18 just to spite some fuckers in Florida

That declaration is valid until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England.

It's potentially a long way down the road. Even if none of William's cgildren have children, Disney just bought about eighty years. Florida will be underwater by then anyway.

I find it hard to imagine Disney isn't bulletproof on this but if they aren't, they have one option: care and maintenance.

"Care and maintenance is a term used in the mining industry to describe processes and conditions on a closed mine site where there is potential to recommence operations at a later date. During the care and maintenance phase, production is stopped but the site is managed to ensure it remains in a safe and stable condition."

Suppose they announce care and maintenance commencing six months before an election. It would gut the Florida economy. Good bye DeStupid.

Not just William's children, R60, but also Harry's. The chances that none of the five (for now) will produce children is remote. So Disney has bought itself a lot of time.

Yeah, R62, I forgot about them. But Meghan will probably have a press release out tomorrow.

I never doubted for a second the Mouse would lose. The fact Deathsantis really thought he could fuck with them proved to me how delusional he really is. Disney IS Florida. This is all delicious indeed.

Are you trying to tell me that some little go go boots wearing Orban wannabe and his horse whisperer frau weren't able to outsmart Disney?? I'm SHOCKED!!!

I have to admit I didn't see this coming but it's quite possible that, in a few months, Nimrata and Pence will poll higher than this sad little pudding licker.

Ooohhh... those five highly connected, unqualified republicans appointed by DeSantis to censor Disney artistic content are steaming.

There were to be no brown mermaids or princesses under their watch.

Pastor Peri and his unhinged speculation that homosexuality could be caused by drinking tap water pales beside Bridget Ziegler, a stormtrooper for Moms for Liberty.

They're fighting the Ultra-Maga religious war, insisting the US is a christian nation and Disney was going to be made to reflect their beliefs.

We haven't heard the last of them.

Nah, R66. Disney is run out of California.

This was for controlling interest of the park, wasn’t it?

Florida doesn’t have any artistic/creative say in anything the company does.

At least that’s how I understand the situation.

Eh, all Disney would have to say is that they might close the park. Whose fault would that be, I wonder? I like the information R61 had.

r67, they certainly intended to use their power to influence what is done or shown at Disney World.

[quote]At a signing ceremony on Monday, DeSantis took the opportunity to attack the company and its content, saying there was a movement among the company’s Burbank-based employees “to inject a lot of this sexuality into the programming for kids.”

[quote]“We want our kids to be kids,” DeSantis said. “Those are not the values we want to promote in the state of Florida.”

[quote]The governor was referring to leaked internal videos in which a Disney producer spoke about “adding queerness” to programming and the company’s support for her “not-at-all-secret gay agenda.”

[quote]Ziegler also blasted the company last fall in response to a story about a school marching band that was asked to cover its Native American logo in order to perform at Walt Disney World. The principal withdrew the band from the performance.

[quote]“Shameful to see Disney continue to use children as pawns to advance their WOKE political agenda,” Ziegler wrote on Twitter.

I like how as a parent you’re only supposed to have rights if you vote Republican. 🤣

From Deadline.com comment section:

[quote] Looks like Mickey pulled one over on Goofy.

[quote] Disney comically chose the measuring life to be the last surviving descendant of Charles III (i.e., his longest-lived grandchild), plus 21 years.

And that child is….Princess Lilibet, the daughter of Meghan and Harry. What deliciously ironic woke-fuckery from the Mouse.

[quote] Charles was automatically king the instant Elizabeth kicked the bucket.

No, he didn’t become king of England. He became king of “the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”.

Incredible. Disney's move is well done and I'm sure is down to their well practiced lawyers with expensive retainers.

What's ACTUALLY incredible is that DeSantis and his cronies didn't notice till now. It just proves they're lazy fucks who have no actual idea what they're doing, how the law works, or what passes through their desk at any hour of the day. I'm surprised some of them can read let alone recognize what they're signing or witnessing as part of their day to day functions.

Pathetic.

R72. He's both. England is a nation within Great Britain. As King of Great Britain he is consequently King of England.

DeSantis must learn that you don't mess with Disney or King Tampon III

It's like a move out of one of their cartoons. The King Charles reference is genius. haha.

Poor, Ron, what a sticky wicket...

R43 you are incorrect, and clearly not a lawyer. Charles has 7 living descendants as of Feb. 8: two sons and 5 grandchildren. No one else is included for purposes of applying the RAP.

DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN

Ron DeToasted

[quote]Charles has 7 living descendants as of Feb. 8: two sons and 5 grandchildren.

And the ones that live in the US?

^Huh?

R79, I’ve been shopping for that print for a while, I want to hang it in my office. Let’s run away together.

Meanwhile, DeSantis will be in Georgia continuing not-running for president.

I hope some aides hold him down and force him to wash his hands before he touches any of the merch at the sportsman shop in Georgia. No one -- not even deplorables -- want to buy "new" stuff smeared with pudding and feces from his stubby little fingers.

Mickey outsmarted Goofy! 😆🤣🤣

Hey folks- this includes all of the children of the 640 something in the official succession list, not just the immediate family.

It's because of that rule a German got the English throne (George I) in the first place.

No, it doesn't.

For the last time: “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England.

His descendants. People directly related to him based on birth: his sons, their children, their grandchildren, onward.

Among the 650 are Lady Sarah (Armstrong-Jones) Chatto. She's in line for the throne because she is the daughter of Princess Margaret who is the daughter of George VI. She is not a descendant of Charles. That's how the rest of the list is composed.

DeSantis'a next move: a massacre of the entire British Royal Family, like that "cliffhanger" season finale of DYNASTY.

^ Except for the ones that live in America, I don't see a problem with that 😏

I think most American Families love Disney.

Americans do not like batshit fascist Christians at all and they certainly do not want these batshit wackjobs telling them what to do, or interfering with their medical doctors' advice.

I do not understand this move of desantis/republcians at all? He must have shit for brains.

R91, DeSantis is not that smart. He's just brazen. He's made a cynical calculation of how to access power. He has no vision beyond control. Eventually it gets exposed. He will try to twist this too and a percentage of the stupid people in the country will lap it up. Oddly - fortunately? - they are fractured because so many still seem enamoured of Trump. And hopefully, come election time, we'll see what we saw last election: enough Americans who between sense and fear let the Democrats squeak through and buy another two years of breathing comparatively easy.

R88 you are also wrong! This is incorrect: His descendants. People directly related to him based on birth: his sons, their children, their grandchildren, onward.

it only applies to Charles’s descendants “in being” that is alive at the time of the agreement. As of Feb. 8, Charles had 7 living descendants (2 children & 5 grandchildren). No one else counts.

Thus, if the youngest, Lilibet, were to live through expectancy, the agreement would last for 21 years after her 80 years +-. Short answer: if RAP is in fact applicable, then you could assume the agreement would extend for about 100 years from now.

No, you're wrong, R93.

The whole principle of eligiblity for succession to the British throne is based on descendants of Sophia, the Electress of Hanover. She's been dead since 1714, but we still have 650 people eligible for the throne, many of whom presently were born after she died. You can trace each of them back to Sophia. That's why they're on the list and in the line. The same applies to descendants of Charles. That's the beauty of the wording. It puts Charles at the head of a line for the purpose of extending Disney's authority in the matter.

[quote]it only applies to Charles’s descendants “in being”

Find me a link that proves that and I will apologize unreservedly, but you sound like one of those BRF DLers who likes to use grandiose words and pretendy they're writing with a feather.

^ the link is up thread—read the actual fucking agreement.

The actual line of succession is utterly irrelevant here. The parties could have chosen anyone: you, me, Joe Biden or Britney Spears. The old common law practice was to use a monarch, because their life and heirs were readily identifiable for purposes of determine when the agreement must terminate to avoid triggering RAP.

Find it. Don't bullshit.

If you can read, see section 7.1 of the Agreement.

“…shall continue in effect until twenty one (21) years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles IlI, King of England living as of the date of this Declaration.”

I am wrong and I apologize unreservedly.

That declaration is valid until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England [italic]living as of the date of this declaration,” if it is deemed to violate rules against perpetuity, according to the document.[/italic]

I did not see the text I italicised.

For non-lawyers: the Rule (“RAP”) goes back hundreds of years in English common law, to avoid an agreement related to land or other property lasting in perpetuity / “forever.” Such agreements were not favored for obvious reasons. The clause was devised as a way to avoid RAP while otherwise extended the term for as long as possible. In modern times, several states disavowed RAP, but as a matter of common law in the U.S. it is still taken into account for real property and trusts and estate planning, etc. it gives greater certainty to the proceedings, etc.

@r98, *Clap*, *clap*, girls, girls, the point is DeSantis and Florida got screwed by a mouse for at least the next 100 years. After that no one gives a shit

DEFCON level squeaky voice today from Rhonda

This is no drama? Pouring taxpayer money down a hole for stunts and legal fees?

It's a PR stunt move by DeSantis. He is running on an anti-woke platform. which the smart people on the left asked them over and over to define woke. They can't, because if they did it would sound just as racist and hate-filled as it is. "We are against human rights, equality and racism." That sounds a lot worse than "anti-woke."

Now he can spend FL tax dollars that could be used elsewhere to conduct "audits" and "reviews" of Disney -- one of the state's largest engines of revenue -- for the last 3 years he's governor.

Dumb ass....

The money that the district would use for a court fight would come from its taxpayers (I.e. Disney), not the state, unless the state had reason to join the lawsuit.

We should start a GoFundMe to buy FatAss 3 dozen Krispy Kremes to resign from office.

[quote] There's nothing I want more than to see Trump put this wannabe in his place.

There's nothing I want more than to see Trump drop dead.

Barring death, I'd like to see Trump imprisoned for the rest of his life.

However, your plan would probably be my number three.

My vast and detailed knowledge on the order of British succession means I am an expert on Florida law!

A bit off topic, but I was reading the Orlando Sentinel article in that tweet. It was written by Skyler Swisher.

I feel like DL has infiltrated the Orlando Sentinel

And just wait till they find out that one's brain is going to be cryogenically preserved on a freezer shelf next to Walt Disney's!

I’m surprised he used cheap ($800/hr) counsel. “Expensive” counsel nowadays can, I understand, top several thousand an hour. There is one that made the rounds about a guy billing $4k for a fifteen minute phone call. Another has been known to get a $5M non-refundable retainer. I think this kind of thing is usually kept quiet to avoid accusations of being piggy.

Wonder how Rhonda is going to respond to this, because this makes him look really weak and ineffective.

And so well deserved because his actions toward Disney were performative. He just wanted to show how tough he is.

Boy, has this backfired, and it couldn’t have happened to a more deserving guy!

[quote]Rule (“RAP”) goes back hundreds of years in English common law, to avoid an agreement related to land or other property lasting in perpetuity / “forever.” Such agreements were not favored for obvious reasons.

Which obvious reasons would those be?

R114, over time, economic and social conditions change, often radically, and people should be allowed to adapt to those changes, not be bound perpetually by agreements made by those long dead.

R99. Don't apologize. That clause doesn't mean what people are trying to twist it into meaning.

My read of that clause is that it applies to Charles as the current living king of England. In 20 years he won't be so that's why they needed to add that clause in.

To my mind it does NOT apply to his descendants. Otherwise it would have said LIVING descendants.

We discussed yesterday what the new board members were hoping to do, and they definitely wanted to influence Disney content.

[quote]“I think a lot of families have had really great experiences many times, but, when you lose your way, you’ve got to have people that are going to tell you the truth,” answered DeSantis. “We hope they can get back on [track]. I think all these board members would very much like to see the type of entertainment that all families can appreciate.”

[quote] Wonder how Rhonda is going to respond to this, because this makes him look really weak and ineffective.

^^^ and:

R116 whatever are you talking about? Can you read?^ it does expressly say living descendants. It is the entire point of avoiding the RAP. You sound not very smart. The other poster graciously acknowledged his misunderstanding. You’re next… we’ll wait.

“To my mind it does NOT apply to his descendants. Otherwise it would have said LIVING descendants.”

Your mind is clearly full of gaps—

R120. So the clause is:

“21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England living as of the date of this declaration,”

So my read is that the comma makes the difference. It essentially reads, "last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III" and then qualifies who King Charles III is by saying he is "king of England living as of the date of this declaration". So the "living as of the date of this declaration" applies to King Charles in his position as king of England.

I don't read that as applying to the whole sentence. If it did it should have had a comma AFTER king of England too. That way it would read that the "living" qualifier applies to the descendants, not Charles.

So your read of that statement would be "21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England, living as of the date of this declaration”

The absence of the comma makes the difference to me.

Things get sticky when you dick with Mickey…

So just to clarify, my read of the clause is that Disney has to wait till there are NO living descendants of King Charles III AT ALL, not just the one's currently alive.

So the entire line William, Harry and ALL their descendants (including those not yet born) would have to perish completely for 21 years to apply. Essentially, that line would have to go extinct.

You two succession bitches are boring the rest of us to tears ! Enough already !

R116 / R122 /R124. No and No. You keep describing something that actually favors perpetuities. The rule here is meant to be against perpetuities —that part should be east enough to understand.

You keep making the same misrepresentation, almost as if you’re being intentionally obtuse. The reference only applies to living heirs as of the date of the underlying agreement, as noted ad nauseum.

^ it ain’t got nothing to do with succession. It is nothing more than an objective test to determine when the agreement must terminate (assuming it otherwise violated the Rule).

Here’s another version that could have been used to the same effect:

“…shall continue in effect until twenty one (21) years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of Alec Baldwin (the actor originally from Massapequa, LI) living as of the date of this Declaration.”

…[or use any person whose descendants are known/easily traced]

R126. I'm sorry, but I was just reading the language. The language should have been written better. Something like:

"21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England, [who happen to be] living as of the date of this declaration”

I've quickly looked up rules against perpetuities though and it seems this would fall under the general framework of how that would work, even if it's written in an obtuse way as to open it to alternate interpretation.

I'm no lawyer so apologies. I hadn't realised that such a framework was in place and that definitely seems to indicate that it means Life +21 (so only those living when the document was drafted can be used).

It's strange though. I've heard of silly legal techniques to grant effectively permanent leases, for example, 999 year leases. So I assumed that similar loopholes were being exploited here.

Also, I have to say that this rule against perpetuities seems VERY odd.

If it's really as old as the 17th century, and originated in English common law, how does it not come up during the Edwardian era with all that drama about entailed property?

Oh nevermind, the English act in 1964 seems to have been instituted as a RESULT of the drama around entailed property.

Silly me.

R128 now you’re linking to Wiki? Please stop. You’re embarrassing yourself, as if you’re a 1L who failed to read the assigned case for Real Property class. There are many lawyers here, and many more smart non-lawyers, who have posted up thread to help you. Please read the thread. Please read the room.

130 —I’m glad you’ve seen some light😘

Don’t ever go to law school.

R131. Yes, I'm linking Wikipedia because unlike this thread it actually manages to give a half-decent explanation of how property law works.

This thread may be full of lawyers and smart non-lawyers, but I'm either too dumb to understand them or they're not experienced enough to communicate how the law works outside a court room.

But perhaps you'd like to give an explanation a go?

That’s all folks—🥴

R132. Sure, I've seen some light.

I'm still completely confused as to how the Rule of Perpetuity is applied in the States.

Can someone give a good and thorough explanation of how it works in the US? Just reading the actual agreement, it seems Disney is trying to actually make it effective in perpetuity. Only "if the perpetual term of this Declaration is deemed to violate the "Rule Against Perpetuities," or any similar law or rule..." does the 21 year clause apply.

So Disney is brazenly trying to create an agreement with the intent of testing the Rule Against Perpetuities?

I don’t understand how if the agreement was public on February 8th, how was it not reported on at that time? There was a lot of attention on Reedy Creek later when the bill was signed, so how could literally no one know it happened? It wasn’t a private transaction.

Give it up folks.

The rule against perpetuities has upended more than one dumb lawyer

I can think of several creative ways that the state of Florida could fight back. Unfortunately, I don’t know which of them the Florida constitution will allow. One delicious way would be to set like $20 an hour minimum wage for employees at theme parks that benefit from the kind of restrictive covenants that were just put in place, and have it raised by 10% every year. That way if Disney tried to fight it, it would be working against their own employees. The law could allow the minimum wage to reset to the standard state wage for any affected theme park operator that removed the covenants.

I wouldn’t underestimate Ron and think they will enact some new law, or eminent domain over the whole debacle, upending the entire chess game by brute force. Don’t mess with the mouse, though, Disney is likely planning even more of a grass roots response, I would think they need to pull in the community, holding meetings with locals about exposure to new taxes, and pull out all the stops. And yes, talking about how politicians are wielding gay rights as a screwdriver to cause parties to split rather than working together to solve issues.

I think a series of local commercials with real people spelling out the outcome, as well as what it would look like if Disney wound down the park and pulled up stakes and moved to the Midwest instead- how that would indeed affect all the local commerce’s as well- from carpenters, hairdressers and wedding planners. Or that Disney yanked out all its tertiary offices, supply infrastructure, and legions of legal and entertainment staff right out of the state of Florida. What would “Disney Lite” look like if they shrunk the footprint to the size of a tiny Six Flag park and sold the excess to building developers? LOL

Miami and Orlando would evaporate into a husked shell of itself like Detroit.

In that case I imagine

139 must be high as a kite, or in a fever dream. Everything you wrote reflects a total lack of understanding about the relationship among Disney as a property owner, the District and the State.

It’s getting harder to fathom the lack of knowledge or intelligence in these various DeSantis/Disney/Trump threads. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that idiots like Don and Ron actually get elected—if the average DLer can’t get it, then the rest of the population is 🥴

R140. I'm not R139 but what is the issue with what they said?

If you want to critique what others have written it might be more helpful to actually point out the error and correct it. Not post silly emojis like a 12 year old girl.

I was just going to post something similar r141. What r139 is talking about makes sense—a PR strategy disguised as a grassroots movement. I do think it’s not Disney’s style, or whatever, which is what r140 was trying to say, but actually didn’t. R140, I agree, instead of insulting people for their lack of knowledge about Disney/Florida/DeSantis (because I spend all my waking hours thinking and reading about them) just explain the particulars about why you disagree with this approach. Help provide some insight.

Short answer:

ED will never happen. It would cost the state tens of billions of dollars.

Disney doesn’t need any help from grass roots —they are the community, i.e. they are the District.

Disney will not leave Florida, they will not move to the Midwest — that would cost them tens of billions of dollars.

How naive can you be to think a coalition of hairdressers and sandwich makers would help.

Disney does it itheir way—they just proved it with the new agreement. His suggestions in the post are nonsensical, unnecessary and of no worth to Disney

Disney has better and smarter lawyers. I’m sure they’re one step ahead of Pudding Fingers.

R143, thanks for the explanation, which is logical and makes sense, but again, you didn’t need to caveat it with another insult to the OP. Most of us don’t know any of the particulars of PR and eminent domain, nor the relationship between Disney and Florida, nor that Disney is stealth in their strategy. It would be nice to share the knowledge without insulting those that don’t have it. But thanks for the explanation

Politicians come and go...

Disney is forever.

All that information can be gleaned from this thread and related threads, or by simple Google searches or by reading any of dozens of blogs news sites or legal analyses. Honestly, it’s not that difficult to do your own work before asking basic questions or making elementary points.

[quote]See, Hurt, William in “Body Heat.”

Why? Is he nude in that motion picture?

Everybody was in on this except DeSantis.

Republican Florida officials had been trying to undo this for months. There's no way they weren't in on it too.

Rhonda is trying to find something, or make it up.

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday teased future, unspecified action against Disney after the entertainment giant appeared to thwart his attempts at a takeover of its special governing powers.

“There’s a lot of little back-and-forths going on now with the state taking control, but rest assured, you know, you ain’t seen nothing yet,” the Republican governor told a crowd in Smyrna, Georgia. “There’s more to come in that regard.”

R147. Sill rude. Most of us don’t have time to be experts on the minutiae of corporate affairs. But by all means have a great night.

R150 I think zoomers refer to this as "Cope".

Meatball can keep up the rhetoric but he will continue to loose against Disney.

I never doubted that Disney would prevail, what they needed was a competent CEO to help them without ruffling feathers like Chapek did.

The law firm Ron hired to look into the contract has listed areas that they believe bring into question the validity of the new Disney agreement made with the old Reedy Creek board: (From CNN:)

[quote] “The lack of consideration, the delegation of legislative authority to a private corporation, restriction of the Board’s ability to make legislative decisions, and giving away public rights without compensation for a private purpose, among other issues, warrant the new Board’s actions and direction to evaluate these overreaching documents and determine how best the new Board can protect the public’s interest in compliance with Florida Law,” the statement from Fishback Dominick LLP, Cooper & Kirk PLLC, Lawson Huck Gonzalez PLLC, Waugh Grant PLLC and Nardella & Nardella PLLC said.

I have no idea if they will be successful in their challenge, but they are willing to try at $800 an hour.

They have to challenge. We can’t have corporations dictating public policy and controlling land use.

I keep saying Reedy Creek to the tune of the old song "Lollipop".....maybe Randy Rainbow can do the rest of the wry lyrics.

DeSantis has done the impossible: make me root for Disney.

[quote] I have no idea if they will be successful in their challenge, but they are willing to try at $800 an hour.

Courtesy of Florida taxpayers...

21 years after the last survivor of Alec Baldwin? Could he keep restarting the clock by shooting a different director on set?

[quote] Courtesy of Florida taxpayers...

Courtesy of the district’s taxpayers (i.e. Disney)…

The district would be hiring the lawyers, not the state (so far).

R139 here again, Not sure if you’re reading the room correctly. The park is already at capacity and overly expensive for the average family.

I don’’t thinking based on thread responses it’s not unreasonable at ALL Disney would reeevaluate and downsize the entire park in consideration that Ron will make it IMPOSSIBLE to get back to business as usual. Ron has enormous Republican support right now and is likely to double down on the fight. He isn’t going away, and it will be much worse if he becomes president.. Billions in tax credits from another state, and getting out of the way of hurricanes and a rising sea level would be huge incentive for “The next 100 years” of Disney. A grassroots campaign by their marketing team showing how real people and their income would be affected would change the perception.

If they built an “overflow” park from zero today, they might even be able to offer lower admission, accommodate larger crowds, or have more affordable accommodations than they could ever offer at the current park because of the swamp, old infrastructure and expensive real estate around the current park that curtail limit expansion.

Disney could announce they pledge to pull more than half their support infrastructure, offices, creative, and background systems right out of the state of Florida and relocate them to Georgia tomorrow. This would do serious damage to the local economy, yes the sandwich makers, dry cleaners and hairdressers that serve the park’s employees and community.

If I was CEO, I’d be looking at getting a governor from neighboring states leak that Disney was looking at other areas to build a new park unfettered by political agendas. Companies like Google that wanted to build a “technology driven city” got lots of attention and pledges from state governors.

I’m not saying they need to go through with it, but the mere mention Disney would be serious about relating would take the air out of Ron’s balloon.

^ I see what you did there —decent troll of the earlier post…but late to the game. Next.

MAGA follows the Trump mindset, keep fighting and don't back down even if you look stupid and are an obvious liar He'll try to get the upper hand on Disney, may even take them to court through a Trump-appointed judge. Or else use intimidation.

DeathSantis is requesting $98 million of taxpayers money for his own armed forces and they will probably give it to him. The cost will also include airplanes and this force only answers to him. Can you believe the audacity of this man? Once he starts doing this, I can see other Republican governors doing the same thing, like they're going to build their own little armies against the US government..

Disney announcing the acquisition of Tyler Perry Studios in Atlanta, with a two decade plan of relocation and expansion into the available military base around it into “Disney City” would throw a chill into every Floridian politician that’s not affiliated with Ron.

They could use it as a bargaining chip for YEARS to get even more tax rebates and other concessions.

I know this probably isn't anything, but the agreement that Disney used to screw over DeSantis does say that it becomes void should Disney no longer own any property in a 10-mile (I think) radius of RCID.

I suppose that is self-evident for such an agreement, and so just boiler-plate stuff, but could it also be a subtle reminder that they COULD make plans to leave?

HOW DID AMERICA’S WEIRDEST, MOST FREEDOM-OBSESSED STATE FALL FOR AN AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNOR?

[quote] Florida’s place in the national mythology is as America’s pulsing id, a vision of life without the necessary restriction of shame. Chroniclers talk about its seasonless strangeness; the public meltdowns of its oddest residents; how retired CIA operatives, Mafia informants, and Jair Bolsonaro can be reborn there. “Whatever you’re doing dishonestly up north, you can do it in a much warmer climate with less regulation down here,” said the novelist Carl Hiaasen

[...]

[quote] DeSantis is a politician who preaches freedom while suspending elected officials who offend him, banning classroom discussions he doesn’t like, carrying out hostile takeovers of state universities, and obstructing the release of public records whenever he can. And somehow Florida, a state that bills itself as the home of the ornery and the resistant, the obstinate and the can’t-be-trodden-on, the libertarian and the government-skeptic, has fallen for the most keenly authoritarian governor in the United States.

[quote] Disney’s success only underlines how the state is one giant theme park. “This is not a place that makes anything, and it’s not really a place that does anything, other than bring in more people,” Grunwald had told me. Having brought in those people, what Florida never tells them is no, nor does the state ask them to play nicely with the other children: “We’re not going to make you wear a mask or take a vaccine or pay your taxes or care about the schools,”

[...]

[quote] Braided through these experiences was the sensation of Florida as a refuge from reality, something that has encapsulated both its promise and its peril since before it was part of America. In the early 1800s, enslaved people escaped from southern plantations and sheltered in Seminole lands, prompting Andrew Jackson, the seventh president, to launch the first in a series of devastating wars. Florida was soon offloaded by the Spanish, and loosely attached to the U.S. for two decades before becoming a state in 1845. It was roundly ignored for a long time after that. In 1940, it was the least populated southern state.

[quote] The reasons for its transformation after World War II are well known: air-conditioning and bug spray; generations of northeastern and midwestern seniors tempted by year-round sunshine; the hundreds of thousands of Cubans who fled Fidel Castro in the 1960s. Then came the rodent infestation: Disney, with all its money and lobbyists and special tax arrangements, and eventually its own town, called Celebration. Now the state draws crypto hustlers, digital nomads, and people who just plain hate paying state income tax. All of these migrants fueled decades of explosive growth and a landscape of construction, condos, and golf courses. In 2014, Florida’s population overtook New York’s, and in 2022, it was the nation’s fastest-growing state.

[...]

[quote] Any serious consideration of DeSantis inevitably runs headlong into his lack of charisma. Can you win the presidency without being able to make small talk? The Republican donor class is very keen to lubricate his path to power, but they worry he can’t schmooze and flatter as well as he bullies and schemes. He has courted partisan YouTubers and talk-radio hosts, but throughout his reelection campaign last year, he did not grant a sit-down interview to any mainstream publication, and declined to cooperate with profiles in The New Yorker, the Financial Times, and The New York Times. His press team specializes in insults that read as though ChatGPT has been trained on Trump speeches—gratuitous, yet somehow bloodless. (Asked to respond to fact-checking queries for this article, DeSantis’s press secretary, Bryan Griffin, replied by email: “You aren’t interested in the truth; this is just yet another worthless Atlantic editorial.”)

[quote] The campaign against one of Florida’s largest private employers is DeSantisism distilled into its purest form, a kind of Mafia bargain reminiscent of Viktor Orbán’s Hungary: Don’t come for me and I won’t come for you. Corporations can be supportive of ruling politicians, or studiously neutral. What they must not do is cause trouble.

[...]

[quote] Maria-Elena Lopez, the vice chair of the Miami-Dade Democrats, volunteered to tell me why the traditionally blue and “rabidly Latin” county had voted for DeSantis by 11 points in November (he lost there by 21 points in 2018). Her answer was simple: Its more recent arrivals were middle-class conservatives in their countries of origin, and “they didn’t come here to fight the fight of the other people.” Also, she said, “Latin Americans love strongmen.”

[quote] Lopez, who came to the United States from Cuba at age 4, also underlined the complicated relationship between recent migrants and the idea of government help, explaining that her fellow Cubans were particularly triggered by anything that smacked of socialism. She pointed to Hialeah, “which is probably our most Latin city in Miami-Dade County … and there is the highest enrollment of what is casually called Obamacare. Okay. Yet they’re like, ‘Obama was Communist.’ Oh, but you like his insurance policies? The messaging does not go with what the actual reality is.”

[...]

[quote] I had found the viral video disturbing; as the DeSantis administration’s complaint argued, the performance had a “sexualized nature” that was clearly inappropriate for kids to watch. But it was no more disturbing to me than giving an 8-year-old a “purity ring,” or letting them fire a pistol, or forcing 10-year-olds to bear their rapists’ babies. Why can’t America just be normal? And why wouldn’t DeSantis, extoller of “parental rights in education,” let moms and dads decide what to show their own children? [bold] The paradox of freedom, Florida style, is that it’s really an assertion of control. People like us should be free to do what we want, and free to stop other people from doing what they want when we don’t approve. [/bold] That’s why it would be deeply unfair to call Ron DeSantis a petty tyrant. If he is a tyrant, he is an expansive one.

[...]

[quote] When DeSantis owns the libs, his donors and loyalists tend to benefit. At the start of the year, under the guise of his “war on woke,” he appointed six right-wing activists as trustees of the New College of Florida, a small public liberal-arts college in Sarasota. The board promptly forced the president out and replaced her with Richard Corcoran, a former Republican speaker of Florida’s House of Representatives, on a salary of $699,000 (more than double the previous president’s). One of the new board members was Christopher Rufo, who has achieved fame among the Very Online for turning critical race theory into a household term. So what if Rufo lives in Washington State? He is big on Twitter and a beloved brand among Tucker Carlson viewers.

HOW DID AMERICA’S WEIRDEST, MOST FREEDOM-OBSESSED STATE FALL FOR AN AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNOR?

[quote] At 44, DeSantis represents a new generation of Republicans who have learned to speak Rumble—the unmoderated alternative to YouTube—as well as fluent Fox. He knows which of his actions to shout about, and which ones are better smothered in boredom. At a flashy press conference on April 19, 2021, for example, DeSantis surrounded himself with cops to sign the Combating Public Disorder Act, which was presented as taming the excesses of the Black Lives Matter movement but—according to Jason Garcia, a former Orlando Sentinel investigative reporter who now runs a Substack called Seeking Rents—gave police extra power to quell dissent and civil disobedience more generally. That was a moment worth staging for applause by the Blue Lives Matter contingent. By contrast, the governor waited until just before midnight the same day to approve Senate Bill 50, a blandly worded law that collects sales tax from online shoppers while giving tax breaks to Florida businesses. The difference between the splashy staging of the anti-riot bill and the quiet enactment of S.B. 50 “illustrates DeSantis to me so perfectly,” Garcia said. “He’s a governor that is masterful at driving these angry social-war fights that divide people, then turning around and governing like a pro-corporate Republican.”

[...]

[quote] The central question about DeSantis is this: Is he a corporate tax-cutter or a conspiratorial frother? Is he closer to Mitch McConnell or Marjorie Taylor Greene? [bold] The great DeSantis innovation has been to realize how much cover calculated outrage provides for rewarding cronies—and that the more you preach “freedom,” the more you can get away with authoritarianism. [/bold]

[...]

[quote] Although the Sunshine State forged DeSantis, he’s not a true Florida Man. Some 400 miles away from Tallahassee, at Mar-a-Lago, you could get the full sugar rush of Trump, a born performer who finds his causes by sniffing the wind, then road-tests potential lines on Truth Social and live audiences, feeling the crackle of a palpable hit. DeSantis offers a synthetic, lab-grown alternative. He’s Sweet’N Low.

[...]

[quote] Nothing is more damning of the modern Republican Party than the fact that DeSantis needs to flaunt his authoritarianism, anti-intellectualism, and casual cruelty to court its base. Even then, the routine falls flat. DeSantis lacks the weirdness, effervescence, and recklessness that makes his home state so compelling. A true Florida Man does not master bureaucracy and use his powers of patronage to reshape institutions in his image. A true Florida Man does not make the trains run on time. A true Florida Man tries to soup up his boat with a nitro exhaust and accidentally burns down the illegal tiki bar he built in his backyard. Some are born Florida Men, some achieve Florida Manhood, and some have Florida Manhood thrust upon them by the demands of right-wing politics.

Disney is not moving anywhere they have invested billions in it’s 6 parks, resorts, hotels, ships, shopping and entertainment venues in Florida.

The parks are crowded and the hotels are full providing the state with the tax revenue it needs so I doubt the state will do anything that affects this but meatball will continue to rail against wine Disney because he’s a blowhard.

When one of the worst people in the country has a valid point:

Disney's not fucking around.

It’s a battle to see whether the people will rule or if corporations will rule over us. There’s a large number of corporatists on DL who of course want a large corporation like Disney to be in control, but we need to hope that the people through their state government prevail.

This isn't about what the people want. This is about what one little bitch baby fascist wants.

^ Ya think?

MIckey-Angelo

HE BETTER NOT MESS WITH DISNEY. THEY MIGHT SEND GOOFY AFTER HIS ASS.

[QUOTE] It’s a battle to see whether the people will rule or if corporations will rule over us

The “people”? You mean a white supremacist, homophobic, misogynistic DICTATOR.

What is wrong with you that you prefer THAT?!

Put in perspective, this all stems from Disney standing up for human rights. This makes DeSatan looks very small. He most definitely wanted a power play where he can control what Disney thinks and says. People in Florida should be more concerned about this.

“Our point on this is that any action that thwarts those efforts simply to retaliate for a position the company took sounds not just anti-business, but it sounds anti-Florida,” he said.

Does anyone honestly expect a pissant Mafioso wannabe like Rhonda DeSanctimonious to understand tact and diplomacy?

[Quote] we eed to hope that the people through their state government prevail.

Sit duwn and shut the fuck up. I'm a Florida voter. This wasn't up for a vote. It's a governor retaliating against a company that spoke out against his homophobic policies. Maybe we, the people, need to hope that a homophbic governor and his enablers are made to lose this fight, you imbecile.

What “control” does Disney have, R173, that concerns you? How is Disney controlling your life? As opposed to, say, a governor who moves to censor, thwart and actually control free expression?

Fiigy7

[quote] @GovRonDeSantis vows Disney will not win battle with state. Says Fla Leg will void development agmt & says since Disney "opened" things back up the state will "look" at hotel taxes, look at putting tolls on roads, look at developing property owned by new district

^he doesn’t know his ass from his elbow, much less the law in this regard. Ignore his dog and pony show, especially when done got the Hillsdale crowd…an extra dollop of conservative shit on a shingle.

I seriously want to know what got into DeSantis. Does he think this will help him in a national level? It might help him in the primaries with Dump, but he can’t read the room at all. This won’t work on a national scale.

He went from a mediocre governor to a whacked out dictator. And I’ll tell you something—if Dump isn’t the nominee, the media will portray DeSantis as Dump lite. They need their villain in 2024, and DeSantis will be it. And people who hate Dump will come out and vote against DeSantis for that reason.

His incredibly thin skin, petty nature and deep need for revenge will be his undoing. He’s just not fit for the BIG GAME!