Eddie Izzard: 'I consider being trans a superhero thing - but if I'd lived in Nazi Germany I'd have been murdered for it'

Delusional faggot

BRAVE!

Oh good, this again.

But you're not "trans," dear. You're a straight male crossdresser.

He's insufferable now. Not that I was a fan of his before.

“British comedian Eddie Izzard, who recently asked to be identified with “she” and “her” pronouns, is coming out in defense of author J.K. Rowling’s stance on transgender issues.

“I don’t think J.K. Rowling is transphobic. I think we need to look at the things she has written about in her blog,” Izzard, 58, told the Daily Telegraph in a new interview.

“Women have been through such hell over history,” the star added in reference to the controversy surrounding the Harry Potter author’s comments. “Trans people have been invisible, too. I hate the idea we are fighting between ourselves, but it's not going to be sorted with the wave of a wand. I don't have all the answers. If people disagree with me, fine — but why are we going through hell on this?”

Ironically, Nazis were really big into cross-dressing straight men. It was gay men who Nazis hated. Nazis also were at the forefront of trans surgery.

Lots of people got murdered in Nazi Germany.

British fraus and the endless tranny threads.

“And so I wrote a statement, ‘I prefer she/her, I don’t mind he/him. No one can make a mistake,” she added.“

There are actually people who think white, straight, blonde men were a target for the Nazis. 🙄

So profound. I admire her.

R9 Stop calling women fraus! You nasty little poofs

I think she’s fine. Trying to de-escalate conflict, understand other people, and ask for understanding.

unless you're a teenage girl r14.

Were there trans people killed in the Holocaust. This is what they’re shouting now. Of course, what trans actually is defined as changes to fit the narrative. Sounds like Stonewall revisionism. Someone actually asked a TRA when these people transitioned and they responded: “Oh, you’re only trans if you medically transition?” They also said that all the names of these trans people murdered were lost. lol

Were there trans people killed in the Holocaust? This is what they’re shouting now. Of course, what trans actually is defined as changes to fit the narrative. Sounds like Stonewall revisionism. Someone actually asked a TRA when these people transitioned and they responded: “Oh, you’re only trans if you medically transition?” They also said that all the names of these trans people murdered were lost. lol

Were there trans people killed in the Holocaust? This is what they’re shouting now. Of course, what trans actually is defined as changes to fit the narrative. Sounds like Stonewall revisionism. Someone actually asked a TRA when it was when these people transitioned and they responded: “Oh, you’re only trans if you medically transition?” They also said that all the names of these trans people murdered were lost. lol

He has been out since 1985?

I thought he was a cis-straight dude who dressed in men’s clothes up until a few years ago.

Eddie needs to be in jail. He already laughs about how he shows his dick in women’s toilets.

Eddie wear fake tits. It’s a fetish.

The Nazi's targeted, imprisoned and murdered gay men. Not straight gross dressers, not transvestites.

^ cross dressers, lol

Wig-weara, PLEASE.

112 W&Ws OP? Are we this passionate about Eddie Izzard's hypothetical life in Weimar Germany?

I love how transphobes show themselves to be twice as crazy and three times as annoying as the trans they hate so much.

Troons are erasing womanhood, we won’t accept our erasure!

Clearly, that’s your job! Alienate as many people as you can with your righteous crusade of hate. You’ve made such wonderful progress on DL.

He’s so full of shit now. He used to be so cool and NO-ONE had any issues with him just being himself. He was just a man who sometimes wore women’s clothes, and why not! At some point he got taken in by the gender ideology cult and well, he’s just a sad twat now.

No shortage of those.

Nazis would have been too afraid to be around him.

[quote] a superhero thing

Whatever that means.

He is an offensive moron.

As if he'd have pretended to be Suzy if he was living in Germany in the 1930s.

He'd have been the straight, white man that he is (although he'd probably have attended the crossdressing events organised by the SS).

Rescue chick, keep your kiwi farms shit in that pig shit lagoon. Thanks!

The Nazis had a list of persons they wanted exterminated.

If your group was on the list they'd eventually get around to you.

As long as he's speaking up for JKR, that's a good thing. Tell your hysterical sister-men to stand down. Not that they will listen.

Trans hating fascists don't belong on DL.

There was no Nazi symbol for trans, ahistoric freaks.

R37 But woman hating fascists do I suppose?

R38 They just have to insert themselves into everything especially where there’s oppression Olympics points to be scored.

And your “help I’m being oppressed by the oppressed” routine isn’t the same shit as you are accusing others of?

Is this a Jimmy-Savile-in-a-dress situation? Genuinely asking.

Trannies are now screaming genocide. There’s no low they won’t stoop to.

Staying off the inflammatory subject matter for a moment...

Most females who are raised sensibly and responsibly are taught and advised at a young age to trust instinct/inner alarms and avoid men who give off creepy vibes, just to steer well clear even with no hard evidence that they're creepy. Eddie is one such man. It's not my purview to speculate further or inquire why; he's just creepy according to my safety radar, and that's good enough for me to ignore what he says, not engage with or about him, and advise others to do the same.

R41 Are you retarded?

It’s not like people were openly talking about it at CPAC.

Eddie is a comedy genius and I love him. I loved him years ago and I love him now. I don't care what he's wearing, I don't care what pronouns he prefers, he can identify any way he feels most comfortable. It's all fine with me.

The TERF-Nazis who attack him just show how dull and slow-witted they can be.

Can you imagine choosing the fucking NAZIS over the brilliant Eddie Izzard? It just proves how provincial and stupid the TERF-Nazis are and there's no getting around that.

AstroTERFing for Nazis is a very poor choice as your life's work, kids.

He was NEVER funny.

R47, he did one good standup show nearly a quarter of a century ago. He’s not a genius.

That’s probably why he has had such career longevity. Comedians who are “NEVER funny” stick around for decades.

[quote] It's not my purview to speculate further or inquire why

Oh, dear.

He was ALWAYS funny.

You know how I know? Monty Python said he was funny and called him the funniest comedian working today.

R52 = Miss Izzard

One good show?

So you're a TERF-Nazi AND a big fat liar. Okay.

And this one...

Genius at Madison Square Garden!

Stripped.

Well chappers, we have a vehement Izzard Troll. I'm officially not the weirdest Brit poster here anymore.

Is that you, Milky Loads?

DLers FF this piece of shit troll R1.

I'm no fan of Miss Suzy Izzard or of transgenderism in general, but why is OP posting an article from two years ago out of nowhere?

Will terminally fugly cross dresser Never STFU? Does he even pause for a breath.

I'm only half-British.

No one is half British.

This is just a joke from one of the old stand-ups, seriously. It's not even new. There used to be memes of the quote on places like LiveJournal, so it was a long time ago.

R64, you are incorrect.

R60 is right, but can you guys start remembering from one thread to the next that we have a troll who specifically uses homophobic or racist slurs in these threads, as bait to get people to get into fights with them? They're always toward the top of the threads. They do it on Harry/Meghan threads too, probably others.

She got FFed and grayed out a few weeks ago but she has sockpuppets so she always comes back. FF and ignore is probably your better option than just FF.

[quote]Rescue chick, keep your kiwi farms shit in that pig shit lagoon.

She won't. The time to get rid of her was about three years ago but DL is too overwhelmed with her trolls friends and/or stupid people who bought her shtick. We'll have her around forever now, just like D*vida, just like Attmay, just like the rest of them.

R11, The irony of signing your name as Graham Linehan, the creep who felt comfortable harassing lesbians on a dating app while pretending to be a woman.

^This is the same idiot who had a meltdown over a Sam Smith music video then threatened to take away gay rights.

Gender critical/“TERF” homophobes are a dime a dozen.

I find it easy enough to ignore Eddie/Suzy. Let her live her truth far away from me.

STFU, SUZY!

Rescue chick is not wrong about cross dressing Nazis- it was quite a thing, and not at all a scandal, really. That's something men understood, but sex with other men was not. Different times.

*I don't understand the need to make shit up about history.

A hundred and one pounds of fun, r73?

Oh my. He sounds well.

Thanks, R29. I never knew much about him. I have no problem with men who wear women's clothing either and haven't for the last 5 decades. I guess that's too simple, though.

[quote] you are incorrect.

No, I’m not. British is a nationality. English is an ethnicity. You’re neither. Kindly fuck off.

So the trannies were Nazis. They’re not gonna like hearing that. Trans is an umbrella that includes crossdressers.

Well, when it’s convenient.

I am, indeed, half British. I grew up splitting my time between the US and Great Britain. One parent was American, the other was a Brit.

So there you go, incorrect TERF Nazi weirdo, kindly fuck off yourself.

My rot pocket stinks!

What the fuck is this gay fascination with being "trans"? It is such a nutty delusion to even think for a minute one's gender is something one can trade in for the other!

I was watching MTV and saw a commercial for Descovy the AIDS drug and the announcer said it hadn't been approved or tested for those "assigned female at birth". I gagged at that bit of lunacy!

R83 It’s certainly not a gay fascination, it’s a cancer that has taken over every gay space and renamed them all “queer”. It’s LARPing straight women who cut their tots off and think that makes them gay men.

^or even their tits!

Since you aren’t gay and don’t understand our fascinations, you should leave. Because you are as unwelcome in our gay space as you say trans are in your spaces. Lead by example and go to your safe space.

I suppose you vicious and deeply stupid cunts would prefer that Izzard were murdered for being Trans.

Yeah, you guys are such caring humanitarians. You hardly even seem like Nazis at first.

Pretty sure no-one wants anyone murdered for any reason but keep reaching.

Try to follow along, R88. It's not required but it's often a good idea.

R87, Izzard is hardly under any threat at all.

It’s not like he got mobbed in NZ & had a transwoman gleefully pour tomato juice on him.

Eddie will never, ever have eggs thrown at him.

He, like Dylan Mulvaney, is doing better than ever.

R89 Where has anyone called for the death of trans people? So fucking dramatic! Also, Izzard would have to be trans to be murdered for being trans. He’s not trans, he has autogynephilia.

CPAC was literally calling for the elimination of trans people. States are literally outlawing people from not presenting as their birth certificates. You are incredibly ignorant or plain deceitful, likely both to pretend trans people are not under attack, in danger and being denied rights.

For the sole reason that craven Republicans who can’t be elected honestly on their policies need to foment fear and division to get their Putin-loving, treasonous asses elected.

The more the Nazi obsessive screeches, the more it becomes clear how much the Nazi ideology has in common with today's trans ideology.

No other modern 'rights movement' has led to needless mutilating and castrating of kids and teens.

He is such a nutter…and completely humorless.

R92 IN THIS THREAD, numb nuts!

R92 denied what rights?

The right to make decisions about their own and their family’s medical care with out some illiterate bigot screeching “not in my state,” None of your fucking business, None of the governments fucking business. And none of DataLounge’s fucking business.

But everyday the site gets polluted with your screeches feigning your mission from god, derailing threads, and spewing hate at people who have barely a cursory interest or investment in the issue. Now fuck off because we hate everything you stand for and don’t want your deceit, hate or divisiveness here.

The TERFs are working with the NAZIS, kids. They have banded together against Trans and we all know where this is headed.

The TERFs may pretend not to know, but they're playing silly reindeer games. WE know exactly where this is going. We know they want Trans dead. We know they want Lesbians dead. We know they want Bisexuals dead. And they sure as FUCK want gay men dead. They're Nazis, they have an extensive track record in this regard.

We don't want you here, you don't belong here. Get the fuck out with your Nazi pals and your TransHate bullshit AstroTERFing.

R98 = 21c witch hunter.

Well when we have a bunch of fucking TERFwitches and NAZIwitches infesting our site, what else do you expect us to do, R99.

Hunt the fucking witches.

Wasn’t part of his comedy act the fact that he admitted to being a crossdresser/autogynophile but didn’t consider himself trans or a woman because they were just clothes and he was playing dress up. In a sense he was rejecting gender stereotypes and ideology and just classified himself as a man who sometimes like to wear women’s clothing .

Time to dilate r100 and while you’re at it clean the shit out of your coloncunt.

I enjoyed the hell out of him in his “Dressed to Kill” days and then was incredibly impressed with his running back to back marathons, 27 in 27 days, to raise money for charity

I wish I could feel that same way about him/her while he does this.

R101, it's argued that autogynophilia escalates with age. That and trans propaganda explains a lot.

He was talking of running as a Labour candidate in the next election, and Posie Parker (Kellie-Jay Keen, the woman running Let Women Speak) said if he did, she was going to run as Independent against him. Last I heard he wasn't going to run.

R104 = Dumbvida who knows fuck-all about anything, least of all complex medical, emotional and psychological fields.

Does anyone like him anymore? He has gone from edgy to transfrau.

R106's medical and clinical credentials boil down to one word: mental.

[quote] Delusional faggot

r1 This thing is not a 'faggot' when it fucks women with its own dick, aka heterosexual. Just like the majority of the male 'trans' these days.

[quote] Pretty sure no-one wants anyone murdered for any reason but keep reaching.

r88 The only ones I frequently see throwing the "hope you die a painful death" are pro-trans loons. I see enough here on DL too.

Just your average straight guy on a gay site defending the women folk from the trans menace. TROLL!

R97 Have you dilated today? You know how angry your fauxvag gets if you don’t!

[quote] Someone actually asked a TRA when these people transitioned and they responded: “Oh, you’re only trans if you medically transition?” They also said that all the names of these trans people murdered were lost. lol

[quote] There was no Nazi symbol for trans, ahistoric freaks.

r16 r38 It doesn't matter at all to the revisionist freaks. Everything was 'lost'. Supposedly countless 'murdered' (they include suicide here as well) secret 'trans' never left any records.

TERFs = fascists

R113 Schrödinger's Trans.

Spoken like a true transcultist, R114.

Speaking simple truth.

[quote] I am, indeed, half British

You are half English, you lazy troon.

Trannies will soon declare that no Jews died during the Holocaust or they were all Jewish trannies.

Rick Wilson wrote a book called, "Everything Trump Touches Dies".

This is true.

A gay writer should write the companion to Rick's book:

Everything the Troons Touch Dies

It would sell a million copies.

I always thought he was a straight man who was open about how he liked to dress in women's clothes. I guess there are no transvestites anymore. Any person with a dick who likes to wear women's panties is now automatically a transgender.

Thank you, R34. She cannot be called out hard enough for bringing kiwi farms hate to DL over and over and over. The worst part is that you can tell Rescue Chick actually believes what she posts. She's not here with a cynical mission to spread division or troll, she *actually* believes the hateful, poisonous garbage she reads on that garbage site for garbage people, and probably thinks she's doing good in the world coming here to post about it.

It's a moral panic. Nothing Eddie Izzard was quoted as saying in the OP was anything other than reasonable and fair-minded. He condemns no one and explicitly expresses sympathy for what women have gone through historically. Only a troll or an idiot reads any of that and sees "hate."

No need to tell me to dilate, I have a vagina I was born with and I'm not posting this from my hiding place under the bed, where I tremble in fear of the transes (only 1 of whom I have ever knowingly met in all my 43 years of life) coming to oppress me.

We know, R114 / R117, cults are all about 'simple truths'.

Says the anti-trans cultist at R123.

R124, lame.

[quote]Since you aren’t gay and don’t understand our fascinations, you should leave.

I'm gayer than Christmas. It's just that I'm not "queer" or into transing gay children.

Why are you so proudly fascinated with sad people hacking off their organs? Is that a level of mental health you find laudable?

Yes, you and all your anti-trans fascist friends are pretty lame, R125.

My front hole stinks!

I can't wait for Muriel to get rid of all you TERF Nazi cunts.

tick... tick... tick...

You never should have taken up with the Nazis.

[quote] I enjoyed the hell out of him in his “Dressed to Kill” days and then was incredibly impressed with his running back to back marathons, 27 in 27 days, to raise money for charity

So this IS a Jimmy Savile type of situation, after all.

TERFs = NAZIs

To simpleminded patriarchal, privileged gays, the trans represent "The Ultimate Victim" so they must champion them blindly without really thinking too much about what exactly is going on in their movement. Oddly, they are seen as the ONLY authentic beings in society...for living a 24/7 gender cosplay existence.

I don't get it.

Maybe we do think about it an adequate amount, R132, and we have reached *different conclusions* about it than you have. Shocking, that people should have differing viewpoints, I know but there it is.

There was lots of cross-dressing during WWII. Some of it stemmed from a German a carnival tradition that mocks women, which of course was “acceptable.” As someone noted earlier, even the Nazis participated in cross-dressing. But there were gay Nazis as well, most notably Hitler’s close friend Ernst Röhm, yet the Nazis persecuted transvestites, transsexuals, and gays for deviant behavior. They were all sent to the camps and worked to death or executed.

[quote] He was talking of running as a Labour candidate in the next election, and Posie Parker (Kellie-Jay Keen, the woman running Let Women Speak) said if he did, she was going to run as Independent against him. Last I heard he wasn't going to run.

There was a vote by the members of the constituency he wanted to represent in December and they chose a local woman with Yemini heritage who is currently a councillor there. Abtisam Mohamed got more than double the votes of Izzard.

Both of them are from Yemen and they ended up vying for the same constituency in England?

What are the odds of that?

Is Chaya Raichik another alumnus of Kiwi Farms? I’ve often wondered if she posts here.

How does this OP have 121 likes after 8 hours?

And I'm unsure whether it was posted to ridicule Izzard's delusion or in support of it.

This thread also has people painting a picture of big bad Rescue-Chick farming kiwis in Vermont, R138, so everything is possible at this point.

Oh, sorry - that should have read: "farming kiwis in Berlin"

R98, no one is talking about wanting anyone dead. And right wing issues are not feminist and have nothing to do with feminism; nor does feminism ally itself with homophobia and gender discrimination. The right wing power is mostly concentrated in right wing men, not by “radical feminists” who by being radical are in favor of a society where gender doesn’t matter and everyone is free. And right wing women are not “radical feminists”.

[quote] no one is talking about wanting anyone dead

You haven't read enough anti-trans threads.

[quote]Rescue chick is not wrong about cross dressing Nazis

It's irrelevant, r73. These troll cunts bring this stuff up to deflect from the fact that one of their heroes, that Posie Whatever lady, asked for the far right "boys" to support her at marches, and sure enough, actual Nazis with flags and salutes and everything, DID. These trans-haters all marched together, and Rescue Chick, as grotesque as she is, is at least smart enough to know that it's a bad look.

She's bringing up random Nazi facts to deflect, and you're helping her. Why?

It's just like when the Buffalo massacre guy's manifesto had "drop the T" in it and the trolls got quiet for a few weeks, knowing how bad it looked. Or when the "Don't Say Gay" bill was first introduced. They left for a few days and then came back, organized, with talking points like "it's not actually about gays" or "it's only going to be Grade 3 and lower."

Again, why are you defending any of this?

[quote]no one is talking about wanting anyone dead

This is what happens when they delete troll threads: the trolls get to pretend like they didn't get so worked up they were talking about extermination or genocide or what have you.

I guess we should start taking screenshots but god DAMN is this place not worth the fucking effort.

Let me tell you something, R141. A society "where gender doesn’t matter" is a society in which women have no rights as a class. Picture this: if it doesn't matter, why, then, have gender-based protections for women enshrined in law? Do you think men and women are equal in violence, for example? Are men and women equal in strength, physically? They are not. They never will be.

Gender matters. Sit down and think about it. And if you believe "this place [is] not worth the fucking effort", find another one.

r145, I'M the one who said this place isn't worth the fucking effort, and I'm not r141.

Just 'fess up: are you confused or are you purposely saying stuff like that to try to start a flamewar?

Oh. Are R141 and R144 not the same person? I could swear they were one and the same.

Apologies for the confusion. But R144 - if you don't like it here, you should leave.

R146, you beat me to it by a second or so. I don't deal in "flamewars".

Right, a lesbian who is defending radfems, Kiwifarms, and Rescue Chick is demanding that a gay man leave a gay forum, and wants us to think they're NOT a troll.

Girl, Rescue-Chick is a straight woman in Vermont who works in HR and talks recipes here on the weekends. She said the Nazis were crossdressers - they were. Did she ask a gay man to leave the forum? Can you point me to the specific post?

She's a TERF.

[quote]Rescue-Chick is a straight woman in Vermont who works in HR and talks recipes here on the weekends

[quote]Did she ask a gay man to leave the forum?

You just did. I was talking about you. You signed your post "lipstick lesbian" and told me, a gay man, to leave DL. Twice.

Don't worry, I get it now, you're either RC or one of her Kiwifarms friends. What I don't get (and honestly it doesn't really matter either way) is whether you're stupid or trolling. All this "tee hee I get so confused about who said what" nonsense is wearing thin.

No one can infer you were talking about me based on your punctuation, R152. You should work on that.

I didn't know you were a man. In any case, if you're not happy here, you should find a place where you feel better. That's all.

I watched a few interviews with him and he kept going on about 'being in girl mode'. Should've said 'old bag' mode. Why do these men always bang on about being a 'girl' no matter how old and ravaged they look?

R149, yep - that's exactly what we have here. These TERFs are astonishing, truly astonishing. Fucking AstroTERFing the Datalounge with their allies and co-demonstrators, those old faves THE NAZIS!

The TERFs INVITED THE NAZIS. And when they showed up, the TERFs literally marched with the Nazis. WITH them.

You girls are so fucking screwed. Even JK Howling with her billion dollars, all those plastic surgeries and her Scottish castle can't save you. You will always be that TransHate group that marched with the NAZIS, so that's nice.

You actually invited the Nazis and they showed up and now you're trying to say the TERFs had nothing to do with it? Liar liar liar - you're a bunch of big fat fucking liars.

Jesus. You sick fucks. You invited the Nazis to your Trans Hate rally and marched with them. And now that everyone knows and hates you for it, you're pretending that you never invited them.

Butcha did, Blanche, ya DID.

I knew he was referring to you, R153, it was obvious.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? How very Shawshank Redemption Warden of you, my dear.

Izzard is a man with AGP

What do you call a table with 11 people talking to a Nazi?

A table of 12 Nazis.

What do you call a bunch of TERFs marching with a bunch of Nazis?

A bigger bunch of Nazis.

Exactly so, R158, exactly so.

Eddie Izzard is a man, r158. Transwomen are men.

R149 thinks gay men like pussy.

R105, he put himself forward for selection as the Labour candidate but - no surprise - wasn't selected.

Eddie Izzard is whatever he wants to be, I don't give a fuck and I don't give a fuck what you want, R160.

The phrase trans is a superhero thing is so cringe worthy.

R144, I mean radical feminists are not talking about wanting people dead, not Nazis. And by “radical feminists” I don’t mean anyone who was at that right wing event. Radical feminists want gender to be of no consequence and no importance. And there are very few radical feminists anywhere or radicals of any type. The far left is not as well financed as the far right, and women who make barely enough to get by are not behind any major party’s political drive.

The vast majority of funding on the far right comes from conservative MEN. So you could call them CONS or whatever. But why choose a term that not only is female specific (TERF has no male equivalent) but was also historically left-wing specific (radical feminism is actually left wing radical) to describe people who are in a dual gender and distinctly right wing event?

Really, this stuff gets more bizarre by the year.

"I consider being Jewish a superhero thing - but if I'd lived in Nazi Germany . . ."

"I consider being homosexual a superhero thing - but if I'd lived in Nazi Germany . . ."

"I consider being a gypsy a superhero thing - but if I'd lived in Nazi Germany . . ."

"I consider being black a superhero thing - but if I'd lived in Nazi Germany . . ."

This has gotten to the point of farce. The actual number of children who evidence signs of serious body dysmorphia by the age of four or five years old is about one-tenth of one percent of the population.

The rest is a sociopolitical force trying to normalise what is, in fact, an aberrant emotional and psychological issue that is serving some other purpose.

And there is no such thing as non-binary. If you were born with an XY set of normal chromosomes, and you have a healthy set of functional cock and balls, you're a male. If you choose to fuck both men and women, you're still a biological male and an adult human male - there's no "non" about it. I don't care who you want to fuck or whether you like wearing dresses more than trousers, as long as nonconsenting other entities aren't involved.

You ARE binary: you're an adult human male.

There is a poster here who, in typical fashion, is bullying the women on the thread. There are some simple points being made by women that are fairly commonsensical: 1) for lesbians, we don't like what is happening to baby dykes; 2) women are smaller and more likely to be prey to larger and stronger males who wish to use being trans as a costume to gain access; 3) women have had to fight for any space in sports, with equity and parity never having been achieved, and now must compete against people who are genetically designed from birth to beat them; and, 4) we are sick and fucking tired of being told that our concerns are not important.

I want penises segregated. I don't care what they are attached to. It should come as no surprise. I am a lesbian. I have enjoyed my entire life without seeing a penis. I have also been able to manage my physical safety by keeping men at a distance, other than that one time I was raped. I have played sports with shitty equipment and no bleacher support because Title IX wasn't enforced anywhere. I've seen the ERA languish in Congress for decades. I've staved off physical assaults and verbal harassment by men my entire life. Imagine being a woman in a California prison! You get birth control whether you want it or not because the men using a costume to access women have taken advantage of that access.

I do not have the same problem with FTM transgender people. That's because they are far less likely to assault me. I read the stats. As long as the concerns listed above are addressed, then I support transgender acceptance and have, in fact, practiced it myself. I am generally a pretty loving person. But this rampant disregard of and derision for having genuine fears does not help the transgender movement.

What the fuck is so heroic about a man pretending to be a woman?

There is a major issue at the moment with TRAs appropriating "The Holocaust" which was mass extermination of Jewish people.

The Nazis didn't build train tracks, concentration camps, gas chambers and furnaces to exterminate disabled people or gender non confirming people, who are by definition NOT victims of The Holocaust.

Of course there were groups other than Jews targeted by the Nazis and subjected to torture and death, however that is separate from The Holocaust.

TRAs feel it's unacceptable for Jews to "monopolise" their suffering at the hands of the Nazis.

R168, there are a very large percentage of trans people who are on medication for mental illness and have been from a young age. Young people, and young women especially, are more likely to be on antidepressants, especially because recent changes have made them more widely prescribed. It’s now up to 1 in 5 adults.

SSRIs block serotonin from re-entering the bloodstream so as to recirculate in the brain. But most of the body’s serotonin is not in the brain; it’s in the gut; that’s where it’s made. So some people theorize that taking antidepressants actually makes mental illness worse, but it’s not the dominant theory and it’s hard to get help if you believe it, especially if you’re already stigmatized for being mentally ill.

One thing I have noticed is that in the US specifically 70 percent of transitioners are FTM, which corresponds to the higher number of XX people who are on psychiatric medications at a younger age. When you view this from the paradigm that medicine causes dysphoria, it makes sense.

But MTF trans women are also suffering from the same side effects; and the side effects of taking and then going off these medications can be horrible. They can be almost impossible to go off of and cause intense distress. The depression also becomes untreatable by medication eventually. So the idea that dysphoria isn’t real in those cases or that trans women would have an advantage in sports is also biased. Many of them are struggling tremendously every day and I have been in that situation myself.

It may be that for people suffering dysphoria, even if it is meditation induced dysphoria, having broad social support for years while you recover from the injury is necessary for survival.

But dysphoria is not necessarily permanent; it can change over time as circumstances and medicines change. I know that from personal experience.

The trans love to rewrite history. Take the recent story of the death of Lucy Salani, supposedly the only Italian transgender to survive the Holocaust. Read beyond the headline and you'll see that he didn't have the op until the 80s. Read his Wikipedia and you'll see that he was actually sent to Dachau for having deserted both the Italian and German armies and wore a red triangle denoting his status as a deserter. Up until the war (and beyond?), he identified as a gay man.

(Obviously one has every sympathy for a gay man who was sent to a camp as well as for someone who deserted the armies of fascist countries. This is about how his story is being presented now.)

[quote]So the idea that dysphoria isn’t real in those cases or that trans women would have an advantage in sports is also biased.

And yet, transwomen who have entered women's sports do not seem to suffer anything and beat the women handily.

R173, you never know what is going on in another person’s mind. They are also the subject of propaganda attacks with huge funding behind them; and none of it is sympathetic or tries to understand what is going on.

Even if there are a few people who are taking advantage, it doesn’t change the fact that many people or even most people who are trans are suffering distress and should not be the subject of an attack.

[quote]There is a major issue at the moment with TRAs appropriating "The Holocaust"

Soon we'll hear that Germany was defeated by strong black transwomen.

R174, what's under attack is women's sex-segregated spaces and activities.

I'm sure there is a lot to what you say about the effect of anti-depressants and overprescribing. However, the solution isn't to trample on the legitimate rights of other people. Let's start by abandoning the absurd affirmation model and return to careful differential diagnosis in the treatment of gender dysphoric cases.

[quote]I knew he was referring to you, [R153], it was obvious. Are you being deliberately obtuse? How very Shawshank Redemption Warden of you, my dear.

It wasn't obvious at all, r156 (and this is the first time I've posted on this thread, for what it's worth). R149 's lack of comma rendered his post unclear.

Love Eddie. He is unquestionably a genius.

He's also bonkers. Always has been.

Agreed, r176.

I listened to a heartbreaking conversation between a detransitioner & his “gender therapist” yesterday.

He has come to realize that the “gender therapist” put him on a path of self-harm.

I'll let Eddie do Eddie, but the whole I was "out as trans way back in 1985" thing is annoying. He was, in his own words, and rather emphatically to anyone who would listen, a straight man who liked to wear both women's and men's clothing. And that was true right up through the late-2010's.

At least Eddie doesn't invite Nazis to hang out with him or go on marches with him.

I mean they're fucking NAZIS and the TERFs actually invited them to their rally and then publicly marched with them when they showed up. If we have to choose between Nazi/TERFs and Trans, we'll take the Trans 100% of the time.

You girls never should have hooked up with those Nazis. Fox News, the Republican assholes, the fundamentalist Christers, the MAGA scum, you sure can pick 'em and they're all awful - but they're not the Nazis. The Nazis are a bridge too far, my dears. You never recover from a public scandal and disgrace that involves you with the Nazis.

Wonder what drug cocktail he took when he described himself in "girl mode". Or maybe he needs better eyeglasses or eye surgery.

Hon., that boat sailed long ago. You just an ugly old man, who looks like a silly ugly old man in lady clothes when you dress up.

I never understood the public fascination with this person

I loved his stand up act when he took on culture and geo-politics. His androgyny/gender-fluidity used to be endearing. If only he had stayed that way instead of trying to fit in with the “trans” community. Just be your strangely unique self instead of trying to normalize it!

What R168 said. ALL of what she said. All of it.

She was born in Yemen.

R100 witch-hunters were historically puritanical hysterical woman/lesbian/freedom hating nutters. Plus ca change.

[quote]So the idea that trans women would have an advantage in sports is also biased.

Disagree, R171. Especially if the transwoman in question has already gone through male puberty. This is one point where the tide really is turning, more and more sports associations are banning people born male (or, this week, people who have gone through male puberty) from competing in women's sports. This seems fair and right to me, because allowing these people to compete against women leaves certain competitors with a clear unfair advantage. It really has nothing to do with transgenderism so much as it has to do with the rules of fair competition.

If the anti-trans trolls and garbage human beings in this thread were decent people (i.e. if they weren't just here to fearmonger and if they actually, truly cared about women's sport or vulnerable teenagers being misled by biased and hardly qualified 'counselors' - which they don't), they would acknowledge and celebrate this turning of the tide. Notice how they never mention the Tavistock clinic in the UK these days? The one that has been accused of pushing puberty blockers on confused young teens? That's because the UK government SHUT IT DOWN last year!

The trans actually *aren't* coming for us all! Be happy, trolls! You are safe! It's possible to have a nuanced take on this and not to hate anyone.

Also, R171, if that's you at R174 I agree with everything you've said there. I am not anti-trans, I don't believe it's a mental illness (geez, where have we heard the one before? and it wasn't even that long ago!), I am happy to use whatever pronouns someone would prefer me to use.

Fuck no, r187. I’m not compromising with male supremacist terrorists. We never should have allowed them to get this far.

And, yes, they really ARE coming for us.

[quote]You girls never should have hooked up with those Nazis. Fox News, the Republican assholes, the fundamentalist Christers, the MAGA scum, you sure can pick 'em and they're all awful - but they're not the Nazis.

Months ago someone posted an interesting article about how the radfems of the 1970s and 1980s hooked up with what was called the "moral majority" back then, because they were opposed to pornography. There was a group called Women Against Pornography who were pushing for the government to basically create a bunch of censorship laws to outlaw all porn, a bunch of rock album covers, some books, etc.

There's apparently a long history of certain feminists allying with the oppressive right.

[quote][R149] 's lack of comma rendered his post unclear.

What lack of comma? There shouldn't be a comma after "Rescue Chick," if that's what you're saying. That was very clearly a list of three things that the "lipstick lesbian" was defending.

Considering this "lipstick lesbian" had something like five or six posts (both before and after my comment at r149) where they were getting confused about who said what, it's pretty obvious that I was not the problem here.

No-one had it harder during the Holocaust than the trans. Remember all those gay gypsy bar mitzvahs for the disabled? Those were gay gypsy jewish nazi celebrations after tranny-gassings.

No-one ever has it harder than the trans, and their suffering must be centered in all things

r191 has the intellect of a toddler, so of course she's gravitated to Datalounge.

[quote] And, yes, they really ARE coming for us.

No they aren't, R188. I'm a woman living in a western country, I keep up with the news, I vote etc., and I have yet to have a single one of my rights violated by the existence of transwomen (or transmen). There aren't any law changes on the books, either. I don't even know any trans people (not that I know of, anyway)! I'm fine!

If your heart truly bleeds so heavily for the women and/or children (I know it doesn't, but theoretically) you could make an actual positive impact on their lives by using the time you're spending online to fearmonger about nonexistent threats to support charities and organizations that work with vulnerable women and/or children. But that would men leaving your virtual fear/hate/disgustbox and leaving the house to interact with normal humans going about their normal days.

R193, your head is in the sand.

Since this is about the British context:

Story in the Daily Telegraph on 02/27 (twitter capture because the paper is behind a paywall) details what kind of sex/gender instruction the pupils on the Isle of Man were reportedly given. That included a drag queen telling them there are 73 genders, and when a pupil told her there were only two, the DQ allegedly responded 'you've upset me' and made the pupil leave the class. 11-year olds were taught about oral and anal sex, and I'll leave you to read the rest at the link.

There are also disturbing reports out of New Zealand about the TRA physical attacks on the Let Women Speak event and Kellie-Jay Keen. Freedom of speech is non existent if you try to speak about the rights of women publicly.

So much for "I've yet to see any of my rights violated" sanctimonious posters here.

Just

What will be his next stupid attention grab now that Labor doesn't want him?. You know if Labor doesn't want you, you are one step up from the wheelie bin.

We're supposed to be worried about the fucking TERF who invited Nazis and marched right there beside the Nazis because of the trouble they created?

No. We don't give a fuck about the Nazi-inviting TERF cunt who then chose to MARCH WITH THE NAZIS.

If the people who were there to support LGBT citizens got pissed off at the TERFs and NAZIS, so what? I'd have taken a fucking baseball bat to their TERF and NAZI heads.

Yes - gasp - I typed violence! Oh mah gawd! Clutch those pearls, quick! Oh wait, I forgot, TERFs and NAZIS don't have pearls, they're strictly swine.

[quote]Eddie Izzard is whatever he wants to be, I don't give a fuck and I don't give a fuck what you want

If you can't see the misogyny with a statement like this, I really can't help you. Men deciding who and what a woman is with the support of big thinkers like this guy are the real threat to women.

fucking lunatic and a hideous one at that.

It's narcissistic and selfish for ANYONE to insert themselves into the Holocaust.

Anyone approves Izzard's comments should kill themselves now.

Looks like Jamie Lee Curtis at r10.

Nope, R195, none of that violates my rights. Although you might be interested to know I oppose the idea of anyone, including drag queens, coming into school to teach children that current ideologies are The Truth. This would go for your lot doing the same, of course.

People protesting is also not a violation of my rights. No transperson and no proposed or current laws in my western country have changed due to loud trans activists online. And speaking of loud activists online, it's weird how y'alls hate each others guts but are all exactly the same. "GROUP X IS COMING TO DESTROY OUR WAY OF LIFE AND CORRUPT OUR CHILDREN!!!1!!11! PANIC! BE ANGRY! BE AFRAID! BE DISGUSTED! I AM MORALLY VIRTUOUS AND ALL WHO DISAGREE WITH ME ARE LITERALLY SATAN!" Do you *really* fucking believe that? Because if so jesus christ please get a life.

You'd have been losing your fucking mind over satanic abuse in daycares if this was the 80s.

I've never seen a thread with so many upvotes!

It seems DL is being brigaded by a certain demographic....

[quote] Monty Python said he was funny and called him the funniest comedian working today.

R52 Which Monty Python?

When? Forty years ago?

Once?

[quote] It's narcissistic and selfish for ANYONE to insert themselves into the Holocaust.

It is sacred.

It is 200 times more sacred than the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

R202, that's the typical misrepresentation or misunderstanding of 'moral panic'. Moral panics are social contagion phenomena, fully socially conditioned.

The biggest irony - because counterintuitive thinking is hard for many people - is that the bulk of today's trans phenomenon is socially and culturally caused and driven. Take only ROGD - it's the clearest-cut case of social contagion today, driven by social media and peer influence much like the anorexia wave.

Suzy love here...🥰🥰🥰🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️Solidarity with all my trans brothers and sisters. 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈 Suzy is Punk Rock, and a for e to be reckoned with!

*force to be reckoned with!

R206 Social contagion my arse. Only the smallest minds shall believe such mindless twaddle.

[quote] Take only ROGD

No, thank you. Keep this diseased acronym to yourself

As much as I have enjoyed Rescue Chick's recipes, jokes, and saving all those animals, support for fine fragrances, and recommendations on bongs, (I actually purchased one one on behalf her suggestion) why must gay blokes who support trans folk take a backseat here to str8 birds?

THAT is the question. MANY of us support trans folk, whether you like it or not. Don't try to take over this forum, and suggest we shouldn't show our solidarity here... If it bothers any str8 bird so much, perhaps you need to find a new flock! LGBT INCLUDES TRANS!

[quote] Nazis also were at the forefront of trans surgery

R7 Transgender didn't exist in the 1930s.

This fad is only a recent mental disease.

After the Nazis, the Islamic State of Iran was also a world leader in gender reassignment surgery. No gays in Iran. They just get corrected.

[quote] the Nazis … a world leader in gender reassignment surgery

Do you a have link for that?

Magnus Hirschfeld may have dabbled in similar things but only an ignorant man would describe him as a devotee of Hitler's National Socialism.

Eddie Izzard is a misogynist. And too scared to openly debate Kellie-Jay Keen or any other Women's Rights activist. He knows that he can't win that argument.

Men cannot be women. It is impossible to change your sex. Men have NO IDEA of what it is to be a woman because they were not born into a female body. All of their ideas of what a woman is are based on sexist stereotypes and nothing else.

Men can wear what they like, do their hair how they like and call themselves Doris, no one cares. But they don't get to come into female safe spaces because they are not females. Women's safe spaces are there to protect women, not validate men.

Also, keep the trans cult away from children. Transitioning children is child abuse. Conducting medical experiments on children is not acceptable. The Nazi's did that and the world condemned it. Insane doctors do it in the name of trans and suddenly it's acceptable? Watch some detransitioners before you say it's ok. And look at Jazz Jennings and say it's ok.

Do you know what TERF stands for? Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits.

[quote] LGBT INCLUDES TRANS!

r211 Datalounge is not an LGBT forum.

R197 is why women fight. We are sick and tired of being told to shut up. I am a lesbian. If I wanted to be around dicks, I would have spent more time with my father. Screaming "TERF!" doesn't shut us up. Threatening to bash our heads in with a baseball bat sure as fuck will not shut me up. It makes me fight harder and it threatens my bias toward loving and defending marginalized people. Sit down and help us craft ways to make everyone safer. Women are good at that.

Datalounge is a gay site, r211, not an "LGBT" site and, in any case "LGBT" is made-up bullshit. I don't give a fuck about some ridiculous arbitrary acronym that was imposed upon gay people.

TERFs marching with Nazis and playing victim.

The trans loon on DL this weekend must be on her period.

How, R220, if she is a MAN?

That reminds me, at work once a M2F once asked a coworker if she had a pad - because she was on her period. Coworker wanted to die.

Anti-trans bigots don't belong on DL. That's why your threads get deleted over and over again.

[quote]TERFs actually invited NAZIs to their rally and then publicly marched with them when they showed up.

R180 actually believes that a bunch of middle-aged and elderly women would do this.

[quote]TERFs actually invited NAZIs to their rally and then publicly marched with them when they showed up.

That's the sort of lies deliberately laundered in the media. When you ask about proof of said invitation, they call you a bigot and a terf. That's the level of grey cell activity we're dealing today.

I like Eddie. He doesn't seem aggressive in his views and he's said he doesn't care what name or pronouns you use for him.

He seems to be the antithesis of the archetypal trans person that the gender critical side paints all trans people as, but they're still not happy.

He just wants attention, R226. Simple as.

Covid destroys grey matter!!!!

I think the (really, if you gave it two seconds of thought) inevitable pushback has begun.

Keir Starmer just stated that "99.9% of women do not have penises" and yadda yadda yadda women's rights cannot be violated by this yadda yadda yadda. Of course, Sir Keir is known not to score heavily in polls amongst women voters here, so put that into the mix, but it's obvious that a slight shift in the direction of the wind is occurring.

The sports arena was the wedge. Of course, news outlets are still using terms like "pregnant people" . . . because, dontcha know, the maternity wards of St. Mary's and the Portland are filled with biological males in labour.

I regret to say, as a male, that the attempts to demand equality of womanliness with biological females right down to pregnancy and childbirth, simply proves that that ole' Y chromosome seems to confer some mysterious right of privilege that we prove over and over again by demonstrating that there is nothing we can't take away from women if we really want it.

Including their link with what for 200 million years of development of homo sapiens has been specifically, ineluctably, and solely belonging to the female of the species. I'll agree that that has sometimes not worked out well for the female of the species, but just the same . . .

We really are nasty lot.

A woman's history month panel at my local college was moderated by a transgender woman. But of course.

Labour have come a long way in the last 3 years and self ID is now dead in the water.

There is no majority for it whether Labour win the next election or not. What has happened to the SNP is delicious. They played to their activist base not the country and then Isla Bryson came along at the worst possible moment. Sturgeon reckoned on a constitutional fight with Westminster but the Scottish public, even nationalists, agree with Westminster.

What there will be under Labour is a reform of the existing 2004 act, to make the GRA process easier and a change to the Equality Act which makes it clear that sex as a protected characteristic is biological sex not legal sex with further safeguarding protections around single sex spaces and exemptions.

The trans loons will go mental but who the fuck cares.

[quote]I like Eddie. He doesn't seem aggressive in his views and he's said he doesn't care what name or pronouns you use for him. He seems to be the antithesis of the archetypal trans person that the gender critical side paints all trans people as, but they're still not happy.

Most people are kind and empathetic when it comes to gender dysphoria but Eddie Izzard is asking people to accept that he has been transgender for decades when he was always a man who sometimes wore clothes designed for women, and made that a huge part of his act.

This is an actor who has played Nazi officers, con men, Charlie Chaplin, Edward VII, Long John Silver etc. In 4 decades of acting he's never played a female character and he wants people to believe he's been a woman for all that time.

He can fuck off.

When are the transgenders going to be told to stop using the words Nazi and genocide?

The Jewish community and other groups who have actually experienced such events need to start speaking up and condemning the use of such language by transgenders.

Social media companies need to ban TRAs when they use such language as it raises the potential for mentally ill transgenders to kill people who simply disagree with them.

Transgender Dylan Mulvaney has multiple corporate endorsements and he was invited to meet President Biden. There is no genocide.

If you purposely associate with Nazis, you're a Nazi. If you don't object to prominent members of your group purposely associating with Nazis, you're also a Nazi. If you think associating with Nazis is a good thing because they also hate trans people, you are indeed a Nazi.

[quote]If you purposely associate with Nazis, you're a Nazi. If you don't object to prominent members of your group purposely associating with Nazis, you're also a Nazi. If you think associating with Nazis is a good thing because they also hate trans people, you are indeed a Nazi.

Why did the TRAs in Australia leave the Nazis alone? Why didn't the TRAs challenge the Nazis and get in their faces like they did Posie Parker?

The first threads about the Nazi incident in Australia (all nuked by now) had many comments from DLers stating how "hawt" they looked, especially their arms and legs in their black shorts and t-shirts.

Wouldn't be surprised if more than a few of the TRAs had a similar attraction to them, although they'd never admit it.

R230, gee, it’s like the beta males are stealth enforcers of the patriarchy. Maybe that’s why the alpha males support them?

R235, why did the TERFs invite Nazis to begin with? Because TERFs = NAZIs, that's why.

R238 I think you speak with a forked tongue.

I went to one of his show in the 90s and he emphatically said he was a straight guy who liked wearing women's knickers and high heels, NOT a transgendered person.

If this is the case, Labour have royally fucked themselves with their pushing of the gender identity issue.

How is it being a superhero?

R242 Foolish Izzard believes he's a hero for almost being lynched while foolishly walking the streets of Glasgow at that last election wearing heels and red lippy.

Just because it takes balls to do something doesn’t mean it’s the smartest thing to do.

What is a transgender person, r240?

R241, Labour will probably win the next election, but that's only because the Tories are so shit. There isn't much love for Labour and their vague, student union-style policies and stupid trans pandering.

Oh, yes, the tide is turning. I keep seeing pieces in the MSM now about how "protection for biological females" is coming up more frequently.

Rowling will go down in history as a courageous heroine.

Labour are now backing an amendment to the Equality Act which will specify that sex as a protected characteristic in law means biological sex, not legal sex.

Gender reassignment will also remain a protected characteristic.

Eddie should accept credit for this change being made. He's helped so many people realise what rights females need to have.

Paul Brand is a senior political reporter in the UK. He is married to a man. He and his husband had a baby via a surrogate.

He thinks women who become trans men can develop "male anatomy".

He's blond, tall, fit and an egomaniac. He would have done just fine.

Who? R250

Does Paul Brand (from the tweet at R249) actually think that those skin burritos work?

[Quote] Public gays/lesbians/those in same-sex relationships in (non-conservative) politics, media/journalism, entertainment, etc. have shown what utter trash they are.

^ was for r249

[Quote] married to a man. He and his husband had a baby via a surrogate. He thinks women who become trans men can develop "male anatomy".

Brand and his partner parent a baby that shares biological characteristics with the sperm donor and the surrogate. They did not have a baby, which implies both donated genetic material. Maybe one day.

R252, don’t they atrophy & eventually fall off…?

My gawd this is some dark, barbaric shit.

R251 Izzard, surprisingly.

R257 oh! The “tall, blond” threw me. I always thought he was on the short side?

R258 I looked it up. He's 1.70, which was exactly tall enough even for the Waffen SS. (I'm not saying he is a Nazi. His victim complex is annoying though.)

Suzy was good as the Prince of Wales in "Victoria & Abdul," although the script didn't give her much to work with.

[quote] but if I'd lived in Nazi Germany I'd have been murdered for it'

Not certain how relevant that is with anything. You could get murdered in any nation for endless reasons. Ask Bruce Wayne.