Angela Bassett should have won the Oscar for “What’s Love Got To Do With It?”

Yep

nah, that fuckery removed her from her scifi trajectory where she was stellar.

Laurence Fishburne was also phenomenal, but there was no way he would beat Tom Hanks that year. The nomination was deserved though.

I'll never understand why she is so muscular and cut. Tina was never like that.

She ran circles around the rest.

R4 ummm because Angela is. Stupid comment.

One of the greatest film performances I have ever seen.

R4

They gave it to Holly Hunter because she deserved it for Broadcast News. She was better than Cher.

I love Tina Turner and I’m very fond of Angela Bassett, but I’m happy that Holly Hunter won. I also loved Stockard Channing in Six Degrees of Separation. It was a good year.

Agreed, Angela should have won.

Emma Thompson was also nominated for The Remains of the Day, correct? She had already won but she was terrific.

One could make a case for every actress that year to deserve a win...except Debra Winger. She was fine in Shadowlands, but not Oscar worthy against Angela, Emma, Holly, and Stockard.

Would have given BA to Angela and BSA to Holly for The Firm.

Anna Paquin was great in The Piano. The only time she’s ever been good.

Yes, solid performances all around. Angela should have gotten more roles and nominations following this, but it was always going to be Hunter. Bassett edges a little too close to overacting/tv movie territory. The actual movie is not all that hot.

TV movie? Lmaoooo not even slightly.

R15 Nah she was best-of-year in Kenneth Lonergan's Margaret. Though hard to say which year since the release of that movie was such a clusterfuck.

I agree, except that the contemporary worked-out muscle arms she sported in the film was something I always found to be oddly distracting from her portrayal.

That’s Basset’s natural build.

But so much was made of how much she pumped up for the role, like it was a great accomplishment and a reason why she should be considered great in the role.

Watched Wakanda yesterday. Nothing special. Don't know why she thought she would win for that except as a makeup award. I'd place her fifth out of the five nominees.

R22 bullshit.

Guys: 1993 was the year I played Jude in "Mother's Boys," and created one of my most indelible characters through incandescent artistry. Angela and Holly worked together on one of the first "anti Nepo Baby" campaigns to ensure I was denied a nomination and award! In the decades since, the most respected critics have all agreed that my Jude evoked pity and terror and richly deserved an Oscar, which, some say, may yet be awarded RETROACTIVELY!!!!

I saw a tweet just today that said JLC Oscar campaign this year should be studied and dissected by professionals because her campaign was flawless, unapologetic and merciless. And successful.

related

R26 which is a repeat of a thread I made about two years ago. Which you know. You have it saved. You saved my old threads and have been posting them as your own over the past few months. Don’t think I don’t know. It’s on file.

where would you place her then r23

R28 you didn’t watch it. If you did you wouldn’t say she’s 5th. JLC easily gave a performance that shouldn’t have even been nominated yet alone winning awards.

I would place AB 3rd.

My pick would be Kerry Condon, Hong Chau, Angela Bassett, Stephanie Hsu, JLC.

the memberships of SAG and the Academy differ in your opinion of Jamie Lee Curtis

Angela Bassett should have been (at the very least) been nominated for "Waiting to Exhale". Her Oscar is long overdue. I cannot believe JLC gleefully walked over 3 women of color. I will never watch anything Jaimie Lee Curtis is in again.

You're telling me THIS woman doesn't have an Oscar? But closet case Rami Malek and Jaimie Lee Curtis does? Fuck the Academy.

[quote] I cannot believe JLC gleefully walked over 3 women of color. I will never watch anything Jaimie Lee Curtis is in again.

So if a person of color is nominated they must always win?

If this movie was made today, both Fishburne and Basset would win the Academy Awards

R33 Jaimie Lee Curtis acted like she was entitled to the Oscar. She has no acting range. Her NEPO Oscar was right up there with Gay Ramis Oscar. Undeserved.

R34 Due to race, not talent.

R36 well they should have won for talent 30 years ago. Your point doesn't hold.

I agree.

All five performances nominated in 1993 would have made worthy winners. One of the rare years that all the nominee's were GREAT.

However, given Holly Hunter swept everything she was unbeatable.

The big shame is that Tina: What's Love Got to Do With didn't happen to get released in 1994. Angela Bassett would have won. I think Jessica Lange in Blue Sky is very good and a great Oscar winning performance but Bassett equals her and being in a film that also did well at the box office would have easily won.

Fishburne lost to Tom Hanks in Philadelphia which was seen as Hollywood finally addressing the AIDS crisis

[quote] well they should have won for talent 30 years ago. Your point doesn't hold.

R37 Neither does yours, as it's personal, ergo subjective.

[quote]was right up there with Gay Ramis Oscar. Undeserved.

Who do you think should have won in Rami's year?

For singer biopics I think you need to do your own singing to deserve an Oscar (Sissy Spacek) etc.

Unfortunately most actors don't get their Oscars for the performance that deserves it.

[quote]Fishburne lost to Tom Hanks in Philadelphia which was seen as Hollywood finally addressing the AIDS crisis.

Three years earlier, Bruce Davidson was OSCAR-nominated for the AIDS gay drama "Longtime Companion."

Also, he won the following:

- GOLDEN GLOBE (over eventual Oscar-winner Joes Pesci in "Goodfellas")

- INDEPENDENT SPIRIT AWARD

- NATIONAL SOCIETY OF FILM CRITICS

- NEW YORK FILM CRITICS CIRCLE

- He was runner-up for LOS ANGELES FILM CRITICS ASSOCIATION (Pesci won that one)

- There was no SCREEN ACTORS GUILD award until 1995

- BAFTA went to Salvatore Cascio ("Cinema Paradiso"), who won over Alan Alda ("Crimes and Misdemeanors"), Al Pacino ("Dick Tracy"), and John Hurt ("The Field")

[quote] Unfortunately most actors don't get their Oscars for the performance that deserves it.

Awards ar subjective. An actor is the recipient of an award because a whole bunch of people considered a wide variety of criterion/rationale and voted for the reecipient. "Deserve" is a poor criterion, because most actors believes that they deserve awards, causing erroneous expectations. Which leads to Angela Basset's most ungracious behavior at this year's Oscar ceremony.

I wouldn't say "robbed" as that suggests she incontestably gave the "best" performance, which is subjective. 1993 was a strong year, both Holly Hunter & Emma Thompson were giving some of their best work, alongside Angela.

As we know it can often come down to timing. If Cher had won for her terrific work in Silkwood, Holly likely would have won for Broadcast News in 1987. This would have made it more likely (thought not a certainty) Angela could have won here.

Agree that Debra was the weak link here, she was fine in Shadowlands but I barely remember her compared to Hopkins. Was there any other actress in 1993 who deserved a nomination more?

R45 Correction: . . .a wide variety of criteria . . .

[quote]Agree that Debra was the weak link here, she was fine in Shadowlands but I barely remember her compared to Hopkins. Was there any other actress in 1993 who deserved a nomination more?

Debra Winger also had Oscar buzz for A DANGEROUS WOMAN, which was written and directed by Jake Gyllenhaal's parents. Winger went full retard nd was nominated for a Golden Globe and LAFCA.

Incidentally, the trailer features 12-year-old Jake taunting Debra on his bike. 😂

Michelle Pfeiffer in The Age of Innocence was considered a surprise omission.

that was a low profile film r44 and not the mainstream film Philadelphia was

Philadelphia was awful.

Saint Gay RIP, and all that.

R51 but it was embraced by the mainstream, Hollywood awards.

[quote]the trailer features 12-year-old Jake taunting Debra on his bike

He taunted me by keeping my scarf in his drawer after we broke up. Clearly, he's always been trouble.

Angela Bassett gave an excellent performance that was beaten out by another excellent performance, so I would not say she was robbed.

It's unfortunate when a deserving actor is nominated in an exceptionally strong field (as 1993 was) and loses, and then the next year is dead (as 1994 was for Best Actress) and a weaker performance coasts to a win, but that's the name of the game. Timing is everything.

She joins Gena Rowlands, Isabelle Adjani, Isabelle Huppert, Sigourney Weaver, Glenn Close, Michelle Pfeiffer, and many more talented actresses who have never won an Oscar. When you look at some of the performances that have won -- Jennifer Lawrence for Silver Linings, Sandra Bullock for The Blind Side, Jane Fonda for Coming Home -- you realize you can't take the Academy's choices too seriously.

Angela should have received a nomination for Waiting To Exhale also.

I felt sad when she recently said that Hollywood stopped offering her movie roles for a while after her Oscar nomination 30 years ago, almost as if they were punishing her.

R55 I've said the same, so annoying when a performance would have won everything had it been released a year earlier or later

That’s how I feel about Glenn Close with The Wife. If it was released a year later it would have possibly finally won her an Oscar.

R57 Wrong place, wrong time as they say. Some add, maybe she wasn't as good as you thought.

the arrogance of r29. How dare anyone have an opinion different from theirs. Obviously thousands of people felt Jamie Lee and Kerry Condon did better. Oscar/Bafta.

Bassett won neither. She was just imperious in Wakanda. Nothing she couldn't have done in her sleep. I was expecting a big death scene but that didn't even happen.

R42 Rami Malek should never have been nominated. He is a lying piece of garbage----LINK...His career seems to be in the dumpster. Where it belongs.

I see your point now r61.

The film was brilliant, and one of the better biopics out there. And yes, if there was any film Bassett should have won for, it was this one.

"Brilliant". R63 it's amazing how liberally that term is applied to anything.

Except your post, R64z

[quote]R64z

How embarrassing for you r65

R31 "Walked over 3 women of color" when she could barely put together a sentence without the words "Michelle Yeoh" the entire awards season. She praised her every chance she got, and if she didn't get a chance to, she created one.

R35 Jamie was the one acting entitled to the award? Who was the one with the bitter, angry facial expression who did not applaud and stayed seated during the standing ovation?

NO!

That same year when Angela Bassett was nominate for “What’s Love Got To Do With It?” was the same year that Stockard Channing was nominated for "Six Degrees of Separation."

Stockard Channing should have won the Oscar for Best Actress, not Angela Bassett. Instead, Holly Hunter won Best Actress for that awful "The Piano." Stockard Channing was robbed!!

1994 Oscars: ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE

WINNER - HOLLY HUNTER - The Piano

NOMINEES:

ANGELA BASSETT - What's Love Got to Do with It

STOCKARD CHANNING - Six Degrees of Separation

EMMA THOMPSON - The Remains of the Day

DEBRA WINGER - Shadowlands

R69 = The Piano traumatized me. We didn't have a phrase for TRIGGERING yet but if we did that crapfest would have been labled. It wasn't a great movie as much as it was sick and vile.

Tina: What's Love Got To Do With It? is a good film elevated by the great performances from Bassett & Fishbourne.

1994 Oscars: ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE (Laurence Fishburne also did not win for What's Love Got to Do with It, but Tom Hanks was brilliant in Philadelphia)

WINNER - TOM HANKS - Philadelphia

NOMINEES:

DANIEL DAY-LEWIS - In the Name of the Father

LAURENCE FISHBURNE - What's Love Got to Do with It

ANTHONY HOPKINS - The Remains of the Day

LIAM NEESON - Schindler's List

The same Academy who gave Kevin Spacey TWO Oscars. The stories about him were out there for years.

The odd thing is why did Bassett think she'd win? She had lost SAG and Bafta. That pretty much meant it was going to either Curtis or Condon.

[quote] Angela should have received a nomination for Waiting To Exhale also.

For that stupid soap? Are you joking? All she did in that movie was look pretty.

[quote] I felt sad when she recently said that Hollywood stopped offering her movie roles for a while after her Oscar nomination 30 years ago, almost as if they were punishing her.

That's the epitome of victim signaling. The Oscar is not an employment guarantee and many who won Oscars watched their careers sink after Oscar night. She should be happy she's been working steadily all these years.

^^Bassett was up for Best Actress--not Supporting Actress. Jamie Lee Curtis won for Best Supporting Actress.

She was up for Supporting Actress r76.

Somebody should have slapped her in the face for the way she behaved when JLC won.

It's not much to ask for a smile and polite applause. I used to like her but that reaction has put me right off.

[quote]For singer biopics I think you need to do your own singing to deserve an Oscar (Sissy Spacek) etc

I thought it was a bit funny (and strange) how in 2004 Jamie Foxx swept the precursors (Golden Globes, SAG, BAFTA) and won the Oscar for Best Actor for lip-synching in RAY, the Ray Charles biopic.

But the following year, Joaquin Phoenix did an impressive job as Johnny Cash in WALK THE LINE and even did his own singing. He was nominated for all the industry awards but only managed to win just Golden Globe (Musical/Comedy) by default.

2005 was really competitive for Best Actor what with Phillip Seymour Hoffman and Heath Ledger plus Phoenix all giving potentially winning performances.

[quote] "Brilliant". [R63] it's amazing how liberally that term is applied to anything.

Yeah, I thought it was brilliant, and so was her performance. Tough shit, asshole.

JAMIE FOXX ("Ray"), MARION COTILLARD ("La Vie en Rose"), and RAMI MALEK ("Bohemian Rhapsody") all won Oscars in the 21st century for lip-synching in biopics about famous singers. 🤔

Bohemian Rhapsody was so inaccurate it was embarrassing and certainly didn't deserve the praise it got. Even AIDS got shafted in this farce. Rami Malek is doing bit parts now.

Angela Bassett herself agrees with you wholeheartedly OP. And she's not afraid to say it.

And the crazy thing about that video above is that she is sitting next to Oscar winner Jennifer Hudson?!?!

What is all this idiocy about doing your own signing in a biopic? If you can do it fine. But there is a reason the singers that they are making the biopics about are having a biopic made about them in the first place - Because they are amazing talents and NO ONE ELSE can sing like them. They are giant stars for their singing ability. And you expect some actor to just come along and replicate it on film? Again, if you can do it, get away with it, great. But I seriously don't care if someone lip-synchs to a singers performance. I never got that argument.

All the recent Broadway bio-musicals had people sing like the original including Tina.

Why was she allowed to sit in the front row? Shouldn't she have been in the back?

[quote]I thought it was a bit funny (and strange) how in 2004 Jamie Foxx swept the precursors (Golden Globes, SAG, BAFTA) and won the Oscar for Best Actor for lip-synching in RAY, the Ray Charles biopic.

Jamie Foxx was brilliant as Ray Charles. He played most of the piano parts and did some of the singing as Ray Charles as well.

He really deserved those awards. Very multi talented guy!

Jamie Foxx is a great actor who can disappear into each part. He more than deserved that Oscar. DESERVED, not thought he deserved.