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DeSantis to expand 'Don't Say Gay' law to all grades

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis answers questions from the media in the Florida Cabinet following his State of the State address during a joint session of the Senate and House of Representatives, Tuesday, March 7, 2023, at the state Capitol in Tallahassee, Fla. DeSantis' administration is moving to unilaterally forbid classroom instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity in all grades, expanding the controversial law critics call “Don't Say Gay” as the Republican governor continues a focus on cultural issues ahead of his expected presidential run."

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by Anonymousreply 128April 22, 2023 11:44 PM

Gee. Who didn't see this coming?

I guess the one good point is that for those of us who read the law and understood the obvious loophole - and thus the actual intent of the law - are now vindicated after being told, over and over, that the law only pertained to third grade and under.

So thanks, Ron. I guess.

by Anonymousreply 1March 22, 2023 7:55 PM

"Don't say DeSantis"

by Anonymousreply 2March 22, 2023 7:56 PM

Gay, gay, gay.

by Anonymousreply 3March 22, 2023 8:00 PM
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by Anonymousreply 4March 22, 2023 8:13 PM

Has instigated and official rule on pink triangles?

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by Anonymousreply 5March 22, 2023 8:22 PM

Which means a heterosexual teacher can’t mention her husband. Right?

by Anonymousreply 6March 22, 2023 8:31 PM

He's a dick. In a bad way.

by Anonymousreply 7March 22, 2023 8:34 PM

None of this is organic.

It is written by think tanks, focus grouped and polled and spoonfed to willing legislators.

DeSantis is taking a lion's share of the credit but he's not even actually doing most (any?) of the work.

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by Anonymousreply 8March 22, 2023 8:51 PM

Well, I guess there will be no more homosexuals then.

by Anonymousreply 9March 22, 2023 8:56 PM

Yep, meanwhile the Left remains asleep. No vision, no organization, no media campaign, few marches, so reckless.

by Anonymousreply 10March 22, 2023 8:57 PM

[quote] It is written by think tanks, focus grouped and polled and spoonfed to willing legislators.

That's how the process works. Someone else comes up with the bill, and then they look for a like-minded senator or representative (who can be bribed?) to sponsor it. Lobbies do it, too.

It's all culture war nonsense, a distraction, because the Conservatives' stance on real issues pisses voters off.

by Anonymousreply 11March 22, 2023 9:02 PM

Not sure folks understand how bad recent polling has been for DeSantis:

- he is fading against Trump

- he is losing to Trump in Florida

- his signature ideas are deeply unpopular, even in Florida

It really does feel like he's blowing it.

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by Anonymousreply 12March 22, 2023 9:13 PM
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by Anonymousreply 13March 22, 2023 9:14 PM

I hope his own health causes him to drop.

by Anonymousreply 14March 22, 2023 9:15 PM

Texas looking to revive the 1873 Comstock Act

[quote] Comstock — Anthony — was a United States Postal Inspector. He was highly religious, describing himself as a "weeder in God's garden," and like many of today's zealots, had an expansive idea of what could be deemed "obscene" or "immoral."


[quote] This is the danger of zombie laws. If the current or future Supreme Court were to overturn Lawrence v Texas — not an impossibility — countless sodomy laws would suddenly become enforceable. Police in conservative states could go back to arresting queers (and lots more!)

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by Anonymousreply 15March 23, 2023 12:13 AM

1/5 of his supporters will be dead by 11/24. If he thinks he's going to sail to the White House by vilifying anyone 40-and-under (Woke) he's deranged.

Naturally, corrupt 'n hacked Floriduh will 'go' for him (as will Ohio). But these days that's not enough.

by Anonymousreply 16March 23, 2023 12:32 AM

If one of DeSatan's kids turns out to be gay, I feel sorry for the kid.

by Anonymousreply 17March 23, 2023 12:53 AM

It will get much worse across red states. Expect to see death penalty cases over abortions. OB/GYN clinics, shutting down hospitals ending maternity wards and shortages of doctors, nurses and teachers. Ending marriage equality in red states and daring SCOTUS to stop them. More draconian voting restrictions.

Oh much worse.

by Anonymousreply 18March 23, 2023 12:57 AM

He will be destroyed on the national stage. Not ready for primetime Rhonda.

by Anonymousreply 19March 23, 2023 12:59 AM

[quote] hospitals ending maternity wards

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by Anonymousreply 20March 23, 2023 1:04 AM

They want to go full Republic of Gilead. Not stopping until they achieve it, strip women of all rights, silence and marginalize gays out of legal existence, end any talk of basic racial parity, let alone equity or redress. They tried to overthrow the US on 1/6 and they'll try again. They won't stop until they succeed, there is no bottom here. Then the really bad stuff will start happening. Today they want to jail women for abortions, including what are usually called miscarriages. Tomorrow they'll call for executing them. It's pro-life, you see, to kill a murderer. It's only a skip and a jump from there to concentration camps so get ready.

We've seen this all before.

by Anonymousreply 21March 23, 2023 1:05 AM

He need a COCK up his TIGHT CHUBBY ASS

by Anonymousreply 22March 23, 2023 1:20 AM

He’s definitely overplaying his hand. I predict we will slowly start seeing Youngkin emerge as the leader of the pack. He’s popular as governor, sounds more moderate.

by Anonymousreply 23March 23, 2023 2:07 AM

[quote] He’s definitely overplaying his hand. I predict we will slowly start seeing Youngkin emerge as the leader of the pack.

This I agree 100%

[quote] He’s popular as governor,


[quote] sounds more moderate.

(Until you listen to the actual words)

by Anonymousreply 24March 23, 2023 2:12 AM

Of course it's all carefully researched, a wedge campaign - dark money-funded think tanks create the attack point. Remember Karl Rove and his anti-gay voter turnout that helped Bush defeat Kerry.

There's so much that can, and should, derail this crypto-Falangist train that the Trumpers/DeSantamonians are on. But it's also astonishing to think that the possibility of making same-gender relations and activities illegal, is possible. President DeSantis and his Holy Army of Mammon winning in 2024. Who'd a thunk it??

by Anonymousreply 25March 23, 2023 2:17 AM

[quote] If one of DeSatan's kids turns out to be gay, I feel sorry for the kid.

I don't even think he hates gays, he just wants to be the first short, fat US President in modern times. We're just roadkill on that highway.

by Anonymousreply 26March 23, 2023 2:26 AM

My new law is Don’t Say Ron

by Anonymousreply 27March 23, 2023 3:04 AM

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by Anonymousreply 28March 23, 2023 2:25 PM

[quote]If one of DeSatan's kids turns out to be gay, I feel sorry for the kid.

I feel sorry for the kids regardless.

by Anonymousreply 29March 23, 2023 2:28 PM

all those mass shooters always conveniently never shot up these these guys

by Anonymousreply 30March 23, 2023 2:32 PM

r28 right out of the Simpsons, where Marge campaigns against the violence of Itchy and Scratchy to the point they make the cartoon so boring kids stop watching it. Then the mob that supported her wants to cover up David because it is pornographic and she refuses because it is a classic work of art "See I knew she was for public nudity," shouts one of them. Marge realizes what she has done and the cartoon goes back to being violent. Her realization is one person CAN make a difference, but probably shouldn't.

by Anonymousreply 31March 23, 2023 2:38 PM

R29 I saw a picture of the kids at some event and none of them looked happy. Even Ron's wife looked like she had a fake smile.

When it comes to politicians having gay kids, there are probably some closest case teen or adult kids of Republican politicians out there right now. They are probably miserable as fuck because they can't come out because the parent has been involved in anti-gay legislation or stated anti-gay marriage views. I wouldn't be surprised if another scandal or domestic incident similar to Ted Cruz's daughter happens within the next few years.

by Anonymousreply 32March 23, 2023 2:58 PM


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by Anonymousreply 33March 23, 2023 3:03 PM

[quote]there are probably some closest case teen or adult kids of Republican politicians out there right now.


by Anonymousreply 34March 23, 2023 3:14 PM

I always thought that Steven Ford pinged gay or gay adjacent. As it happens, he's never married.

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by Anonymousreply 35March 23, 2023 3:20 PM

[bold] Americans oppose seven of eight signature policies Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has proposed or implemented [/bold]

•Abortion: 50% oppose.

•DEI programs: 48% oppose.

•Firearms: Two-thirds oppose

•Higher ed: 43% don’t support

•Books in schools: 44% oppose

•COVID-19: 46% oppose

•Tenured faculty: 55% oppose

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by Anonymousreply 36March 23, 2023 6:12 PM

I understand he is doing it for the primaries but if he passes that, he is too far to the right. We need moderates (on both sides).

by Anonymousreply 37March 23, 2023 8:06 PM

Remind me again why anyone needs to be teaching kids about sexuality in school.

These are issues for their families. Not for a government entity to be teaching one way or another.

Stick to teaching academics and stop trying to supplant their families. You are not their family. You are their teacher.

by Anonymousreply 38March 23, 2023 8:14 PM

^ STD's are a great reason why. I never knew of anal warts until I got them. Also, there are some STD's that are more prevalent in the LGBT community. I can't seeing Sarah Huckabeast talking about that with her kids. Or, Boefart talking to her kid about knocking up a girl.

by Anonymousreply 39March 23, 2023 8:22 PM

The FIRST thing children ask when they are old enough to speak and understand is "Where did I come from?" If you can't tell children simple basic facts, you are doing them a great disservice. Explaining reproduction isn't sexualizing them. They want to understand where puppies and kittens come from too. Extreme parents won't tell their kids anything, and they grow up getting sexually abused, STDs and pregnant because the truth is obscured and denied by irrational, uncaring religious zealot parents.

by Anonymousreply 40March 23, 2023 8:23 PM

After the blood comes the boys.

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by Anonymousreply 41March 23, 2023 8:24 PM

R39, in a health science class or lectures by the school nurse those diseases can be discussed at appropriate ages. But that's not what's going on. It is not medical teaching.

by Anonymousreply 42March 23, 2023 8:26 PM

What the fuck do you know? R42 Are you sitting in on all the Surprise Anal classes given to all three year olds?

by Anonymousreply 43March 23, 2023 8:29 PM

Every child should be locked in their Prayer Closet until the age of 18. And read the Bible. There is no sex and violence in the Holy Bible.

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by Anonymousreply 44March 23, 2023 8:36 PM

hang the gay replublicans

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by Anonymousreply 45March 23, 2023 8:40 PM

R38, kids have always been taught about sexuality in school, at least where I live. We were taught about sexual intercourse and reproduction when I was 11. It's not a mandatory class, however. We were given permission slips for our parents to sign and there were a few kids who sat those lessons out because their parents didn't sign.

What's the issue? I don't think teaching children about sex makes them any more or less likely to engage in it while underage. Look at abstinence only communities where anything to do with sex or bodies is kept hush-hush. Teen pregnancies and STDs abound. They're still having just as much sex as other hormonal teens, only difference is it's the unsafe kind.

by Anonymousreply 46March 23, 2023 9:20 PM

[quote] Remind me again why anyone needs to be teaching kids about sexuality in school.

Because a lot of parents are too fucking stupid, too fucking ignorant, or too fucking religious to teach anything real about it. That's why, you sad bitch.

by Anonymousreply 47March 23, 2023 9:22 PM

R38 You are delusional. Sex education, i.e. biology and health, have been taught in school as an established curriculum since the early 20th century. Like all curricula, it gets updated and modified when new information, or new perspectives, emerge.

And what is so unique about sex? It's part of being an educated human. Personal beliefs can contradict established norms, and that's fine. I mean there are some fundamentalist Christians who believe that there was no such thing as evolution, and that the earth emerged complete from the mind of God about 4,000 years ago. Of course people have every right to believe that. They don't have a right to prohibit other children to be exposed to settled science because of their personal belief.

There are those who believe the world is flat. They have every right to believe that. They don't have a right to re-write curriculum to prove their belief and ban the science that offends them.

by Anonymousreply 48March 23, 2023 9:35 PM

What Dataloumgers don’t understand is the state of American schools today. They’re being run by socially retarded teachers. It’s SJW TikTok class. We’re churning out the dumbest children thanks to it.

by Anonymousreply 49March 23, 2023 9:44 PM

People like this think being gay is a disease and they don't want their kids to catch it. Gays grow up surrounded by straightness and yet we're still gay.

by Anonymousreply 50March 23, 2023 9:45 PM

If only they could be run by crazed and bitter Christians, r49, teaching that your no-no is a no-no. That's why we call it a no-no, y'all.

Also, everyone needs a bible and a hundred guns. Praise Jesus and Trump!

by Anonymousreply 51March 23, 2023 9:46 PM

[quote]We’re churning out the dumbest children thanks to it.

Compared to where, R49?

by Anonymousreply 52March 23, 2023 9:47 PM

r49 this is a belief, based on your unique values, not on data. If you disaggregate by income, students in the US score the same as their socioeconomic peers in educationally advanced countries like Finland or Japan. In short, what supports your assertion? Links or data?

Americans, because they are angry about everything, don't like the "Educational system", but by and large they are happy with their kids' teachers.

by Anonymousreply 53March 23, 2023 9:51 PM

stop watching the fox news, u r encouraging them to spread even more hate

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by Anonymousreply 54March 23, 2023 9:56 PM

R50- all homophobes r bisexuals who think just like they r choosing being straight by ignoring their same-sex desires, gays can too

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by Anonymousreply 55March 23, 2023 9:59 PM

[quote] People like this think being gay is a disease and they don't want their kids to catch it.

It is way more sinister. Those bigot parents want their children to be raised as bigots and "liberal" school is cockblocking them by teaching their precious wannabe bigots that people being different in any way is a good thing and gay people are not demons or bad. Not to mention the exposure to actual nice and decent members of the LGBT Community. If the kids of bigot aren't exposed to alternative point of views (like gays being nice, and it's ok to be tolerant towards other people with different point of views) they remain dumb and ignorant and will have a very difficult social life.

It is all about control and keeping children dumb and ignorant. Making them easy prey for the snake oil salesmen and the other scam artists of this world.

by Anonymousreply 56March 23, 2023 10:03 PM

I love seeing Meatball Ron destroy himself a little more every day and ensure that he can't win a General Election.

Good times.

As for fuckery, MAGAT insanity, right-wing extremism and homophobia in Florida, sorry. You know how he is and how politically fucked up Florida is overall. If you choose to live there then you are choosing to live with these insane fuckers. We have plenty of other states in this country. It's on you.

by Anonymousreply 57March 23, 2023 10:09 PM

DeSantis wants schools to groom children to become rabid gay-haters.

by Anonymousreply 58March 23, 2023 10:11 PM

Should I start a GoFundMe so I can move to California, R57? How much will you contribute?

by Anonymousreply 59March 23, 2023 10:11 PM

Why can’t Mother Nature work harder? Or some massive sinkholes? A triple Cat 5?

by Anonymousreply 60March 23, 2023 10:12 PM

And the trolls on here tried to convince us it was o pt about small kids.

DeSantis is using gay to scapegoat like the GOP always does. There’s always a boogieman

by Anonymousreply 61March 23, 2023 10:13 PM

Some folks just ought to be killed, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 62March 23, 2023 10:16 PM

It is pathetic r61. They hate us. And wingnut gays, they hate you too. They might kill you last, but they will kill you all the same.

by Anonymousreply 63March 23, 2023 10:17 PM

Then there shouldn't be ANY talk of sexuality/orientation - including heterosexuality. They should ban all books/media/discussion featuring heterosexual couples, and not allow teachers to mention their spouses, etc...

by Anonymousreply 64March 23, 2023 10:20 PM

Nor should kids be allowed to discuss their mommies and daddies - because being a parent means having had sex, and sex is gross and dirty and bad.

by Anonymousreply 65March 23, 2023 10:25 PM

There should be one class where somebody says "by the way, people have it off," and then end of discussion.

by Anonymousreply 66March 23, 2023 10:27 PM

R66 That's how it was explained to me!

by Anonymousreply 67March 23, 2023 11:50 PM

It’s Holland Park! Which is NOT Shepard’s Bush, Sweetie.

by Anonymousreply 68March 24, 2023 12:03 AM

Shepherd’s Bush, actually.

by Anonymousreply 69March 24, 2023 12:09 AM

The rich HEARTLAND of Holland Park!

by Anonymousreply 70March 24, 2023 12:13 AM

Nothing, R59, not one red cent will I contribute to you getting yourself out of the fucking hellhole you've chosen for your life. Public begging is so humiliating, why would that be anyone's first option for getting money? Fucking grifters, ever heard of EARNING money? Everybody's doing it!

I'm sure you're more familiar with U-Haul rental rates than I. Rent one. Pack it up. Leave the fucking state. Move somewhere better, it doesn't have to be California (which you probably can't afford). It's not rocket science, girl.

Or wallow in FloriDUH and feel sorry for yourself and shitty about where you choose to life. *shrug* It's on you.

by Anonymousreply 71March 24, 2023 12:13 AM

[quote]Or wallow in FloriDUH and feel sorry for yourself and shitty about where you choose to life.

I don't feel sorry for myself, fuckwad at R57 and R71. I do feel sorry for you, though. At least I know the difference between "live" and "life." (Oh, dear!) And I know I chose to come here. I came here because I could retire early so I didn't have to keep working with asswipes like you. So I take the bitter with the sweet. Or as I've been saying since I got here in 2016, I don't have much, but everything I have, I own. And it is an incredibly beautiful part of Florida. This afternoon I saw a gopher tortoise cross the road and go into its den. That's just an example of the wildlife here in the Forest that's worth watching.

It's the people who live here who I have a problem with. But suffice it to say, if I lived next door to you, I have a hunch I would hate it even more than Florida no matter what fab-u-lous neighborhood in which you've made your home. After all, one can have bad neighbors anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 72March 24, 2023 12:44 AM

R72 Bitchy queen? Really? Hon, life's too short...

by Anonymousreply 73March 24, 2023 1:00 AM

It would be funny of some deranged person hijacked the stage and disrupted Don’t Say Ray

by Anonymousreply 74March 24, 2023 1:50 AM

Eight states (AL, TN, WV, SC, WY, DE, GA, AR) are more affordable than Florida - and have plenty of nice nature too.

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by Anonymousreply 76March 24, 2023 1:54 AM

R76 This ignorant Babbittry isn't new. I remember as a kid going to Forest Lawn in Glendale and seeing this:

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by Anonymousreply 77March 24, 2023 2:02 AM

It’s funny because those “classics academies” are meant to give students a grounding in (totally superior) Western civilization and Greco-Roman ideals. And now they can’t even discuss, much less view, one of the foundational works of Western art.

So much for Ron DeSantis’ “Free State of Florida Where Woke Goes to Die.”

by Anonymousreply 78March 24, 2023 2:07 AM

Sadly, that shit goes WAY back r77. As so often, the dreariness of Protestantism is a big part of the problem, but still, the Vatican succumbed to that nonsense.

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by Anonymousreply 79March 24, 2023 2:08 AM

[quote] What Dataloumgers don’t understand is the state of American schools today. They’re being run by socially retarded teachers. It’s SJW TikTok class. We’re churning out the dumbest children thanks to it.

FatAss has offered no solution for that. It has nothing to do with "SJW" anything. In the hinterlands of the deepest red state the children are under-educated by ultra-conservative teachers, and they fare no better.

by Anonymousreply 80March 24, 2023 2:17 AM

We had "sex ed" in kindergarten back in the early 60's. It was all vaey vague and more confusing than anything, but they tried.

by Anonymousreply 81March 24, 2023 2:25 AM

very, I mean.

by Anonymousreply 82March 24, 2023 2:26 AM

Hi Ron. A 6'4 black Marine and personal fitness trainer shot a huge load in me last night. Still waiting for yours.

by Anonymousreply 83March 24, 2023 2:31 AM

pregnant women should be kept locked in the basement bcoz the pregnancy is the evidence of getting fucked

by Anonymousreply 84March 24, 2023 8:39 AM

[quote]I guess the one good point is that for those of us who read the law and understood the obvious loophole - and thus the actual intent of the law - are now vindicated after being told, over and over, that the law only pertained to third grade and under.

That was so frustrating, but at least it made it clear that our trolls were knowingly lying. Before, you could have thought that maybe they were just misinformed or confused or stupid, but in this case, no matter how many times the law was quoted, making it clear that it could apply to any grade if the content was judged to be "inappropriate," they would lie and say otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 85March 24, 2023 9:24 AM

So. exactly what we said was going to happen is exactly what happened.

by Anonymousreply 86March 24, 2023 9:42 AM

Related legislation in search of a problem

[quote] This would absolutely destroy the medical profession in Florida by making malpractice insurance unavailable. Any person who receives a procedure that alters a primary or secondary sex characteristic can sue, and this could be for cancer treatment that involves hormones.

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by Anonymousreply 87March 24, 2023 10:35 AM

No need to worry. DeSantis will expand Dont Say Gay to state colleges and government. Then citizens will get cited if they mention it near where a child could possible hear it.

These are almost exactly Russia’s anti-gay laws

by Anonymousreply 88March 24, 2023 12:27 PM

Does DeSantis really believe this will get him to the WH? These are all so last election. While these laws got him re-elected in FL, Republican candidates around the country failed miserably.

by Anonymousreply 89March 24, 2023 12:32 PM

Dear "anti-woke, anti-SJW, pro-MAGA" posters on this gay site:

What is happening in the US with these reactionary rollbacks of simple human rights, is part of a worldwide trend to make being gay illegal. The same people who have passed these laws in Africa and the middle east want to make "homosexual activity" punishable with prison... and in some instance execution. This is not a false panic. Just this week a law is passed in Uganda making it illegal to even "identify" as gay.

All hands on deck. The 21st century is becoming a place where all the freedoms of the last century are in jeopardy.

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by Anonymousreply 90March 24, 2023 4:02 PM

I went to school in 1990. Since the eighth grade, we had health class and they talked all about sex, the reproductive organs, periods, wet dreams, and STDs. Kids could be let out of health class if their parents objected. I remember our books had close-up pics of huge sores on dick heads and pictures of what the clitoris looked like. They even talked about homosexuality naturally occurring in nature and an estimated 10% of the population was gay. It was all part of the curriculum, the body, health and sexual health. Sex ed was just a few chapters, but we were all taught it. At some point, they broke us up into girls and boys because of the nature of the talks. Basically, the males taught the male kids and the females taught the female kids. My favorite was the q and where one of the guys asked what a normal penis size was and went on to be surprised it was not nine or ten inches.

by Anonymousreply 91March 24, 2023 5:47 PM

I remember seeing a video of a high school class in France talking about sex ed. The teachers (I think they had both a man and a woman) talking about the importance of the first time being good... about making sure that both partners were completely in agreement, and how the boys especially needed to know how to make the girls cum. They described the slow and carefully lovemaking that could make the experience memorable, especially for girls.

The US is not France. More's the pity.

by Anonymousreply 92March 24, 2023 6:26 PM

I will look for a video of r 38 telling that to this young teacher and her husband:

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by Anonymousreply 93March 24, 2023 6:55 PM

Re r87 - we’ll still be able to get our testosterone gel though, right??

by Anonymousreply 94March 24, 2023 9:44 PM

ban the bible

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by Anonymousreply 95March 24, 2023 9:44 PM

It's all on purpose. Republicans are trying to kill 2 birds with one stone. 1) they have had it in for the public schools for awhile like every other public service they've tried to destroy (USPS, social security, etc.) Imo, that's one reason they don't do shit about school shootings either. They want people to lose faith in schools so Americans need to pay for private schools, or do homeschooling. Homeschooling accomplishes a few goals conservative extremists have: moving towards the privatization of yet another public service, keeping women home bound (someone has to care for and school the children), and best of all -- keeping a majority of Americans stupid.

2) it's been well established that decent sex education works and that abstinence only propaganda leads to higher rates of teen pregnancy. It's also well known that teen pregnancies have been on the decline for decades. Now why would they go against that if they claim to worry about that?! Oh that's right! They actually WANT teen pregnancies. For one, they see pregnancy as a good punishment, but they also have an agenda to increase baby making. It keeps the young impoverished, women stuck at home, making them lots of little low wage, uneducated servants. That's what they really want when they bring up "family values" -- they want the good old days, where women felt pressure to marry young and made them lots of babies to send off to wars or whatever else they see fit.

Don't ever forget what their little crusade is about. It has nothing to do with them personally being prude, or caring about abortion, or even about homosexuality. They're just seething that they don't have enough recruits to use and discard.

by Anonymousreply 96March 24, 2023 10:13 PM

Exactly R96. Nailed it.

by Anonymousreply 97March 24, 2023 10:21 PM

I'm surprised anyone wants to go into teaching these days. I did consider it for a time, but there's no chance I'd do it now. Most parents sound deranged and a lot of teachers must feel like they're walking on eggshells to ensure they don't incur the wrath of said parents.

by Anonymousreply 98March 25, 2023 12:28 AM

r96 Exactly, keep them dumb and reproducing and you have a built-in constituency.

by Anonymousreply 99March 25, 2023 12:35 AM

[quote] I'm surprised anyone wants to go into teaching these days. I did consider it for a time, but there's no chance I'd do it now. Most parents sound deranged and a lot of teachers must feel like they're walking on eggshells to ensure they don't incur the wrath of said parents.

My mom was a school cook and she had to deal with difficult parents who verbally abused or blamed her for things she had no control over in terms of food supply ordering, budgets,, state requirements, and other things she couldn't control or decide on. When I saw what she went through, I vowed I would never work in any job dealt heavily with parents and kids. I worked in restaurants and retail during college and there were times my anxiety would go up if loony parents and noisy kids were around.

I have two friends who have left teaching because of shitty and deranged parents. One friend went to nursing school and one of his professors encouraged him to apply at a children's hospital since he had been a teacher. He said no because he felt that if he dealt with shitty parents in a school setting, he would likely encountered similar shit in a hospital setting. My friend said he doesn't hate kids, but he just hates shitty or whiny entitled parents.

Another friend in our social circle is a medical social worker and she started her career working with families of pediatric patients at a teaching hospital. She left that job and has worked at rehab centers for adults with disabilities. She has mentioned still having to deal with occasional abusive clients. But, she said dealing with whiny or shitty parents in a medical setting was a bigger pain in the ass. She said parents would use her as a scapegoat for issues they had with their insurance companies or they would blame her in situations where they didn't qualify for income based assistance programs. She and the former teacher friend have said working in any environment with parents and kids whether it's education, social work, or medical related it always ends up being abusive at some point towards employees in those fields. I agree with them. My mom feels she was abused, but she has embarrassment trying to talk with counselors about it because she still has the mentality that since "she was just a cook", her pain is trivial compared to what other people go through. I keep encouraging to keep going to counseling.

At this point with these don't say gay bills and book bannings, I don't blame anyone who leaves education or decides not to become teachers. Nobody should be put in the situation where they have to constantly walk on egg shells because of deranged or entitled parents. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if some poor teacher or librarian who is gay ends up having a mental break down or attempts/commits suicide because of these laws and policies. DeSantis and his supporters are also victimizing school employees with this shit. Too many entitled or deranged parents in this society will never understand how they fuck up other people.

by Anonymousreply 100March 25, 2023 6:52 PM

R100 Yeah you've eloquently outlined the scenarios I feared happening if I had ever gone into teaching.

I'm sorry your mom had to go through that. I think when you work with the public in any role, you come to realise how fucking awful some people really are. But I think it's amplified even more when it comes to schools/education because parents are so entitled. I get they want the best for their children, but that shouldn't mean they have free reign to be rude, belittling, abusive and demanding. They're like big kids who were never told no themselves, so they carry that through with them into adult life.

by Anonymousreply 101March 25, 2023 7:51 PM

R101 R100 here I agree, in school settings it amplified more due to the entitled parents. When I dealt with shitty people in restaurant or retail work, it was easy to ignore at times because the shitty customers would just leave. In my mom's experience as a school cook, it could be very difficult at times because parents would go and bitch to the school board or school administrators. I grew up in a small town and that made it difficult for her at times because school board members would see her at stores or church and whine to her. There were some kids and parents were always appreciative of my mom and I think it was those kids and parents that helped get through a difficult job.

These days when I read about far right types getting onto school boards or going to school board meetings to bitch about books, curriculum, in addition to other issues, it sort of makes me glad that my mom retired in 2012. I came out as a lesbian when I was 20, my mom was very supportive of me and has made blankets and donated items to shelters that take in gay and lesbian youth. If mom was still working in a public school system today, I could see her being heartbroken at having to be around far right loons who bitch about books, curriculum, and not saying gay in addition to the other shit parents complain about.

Last year, when that Michigan state senator Mallory McMorrow did her "we won't let hate win" speech I cried. It was so moving and made me glad that there are people like her who don't want people to suffer more than already have to. I hope McMorrow runs for national level political office someday. I would rather see her in Congress or US senate instead of people like MTG, Boebert, Jim Jordan, McCarthy, Gaetz etc.

by Anonymousreply 102March 25, 2023 8:33 PM

Why did you adopt me?

by Anonymousreply 103March 25, 2023 8:47 PM

The GOP is hellbent on destroying public education and they’re passing bills like these that allow parents who are religious zealots, lunatics and backward thinking idiots to play an even greater role in deciding what is taught in schools. All I can see is future generations of ignorant people who were either badly educated at poorly funded and curriculum compromised public schools or fed a head full of religious delusions and political lies in publicly funded Christian schools or homeschooled by radicalized extremist parents. It’s bleak, and I don’t think it’s going to be easy to turn that around. It’s probably a fatal wound to this country.

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by Anonymousreply 104March 25, 2023 9:12 PM

do anyone know others not listed here

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by Anonymousreply 105March 25, 2023 10:21 PM

R104, that article doesn't support your fears. It seems very reasonable. You can't socially transition students behind their parents' backs, you need to keep parents informed about curriculum and what their children are exposed to and you need to avoid teaching political doctrines as fact. You need to involve parents in the education of their children which is what PTAs used to be about.

Only school systems and teachers with something to hide and a desire to control students would object to this bill.

by Anonymousreply 106March 26, 2023 2:08 PM

I am against far left teachers teaching queer ideology to children. That’s what this is about. Pronouns, gender spectrums, etc. I’d rather teach my kids about those things myself in my own language. This was never about not being able to say that some families have 2 mothers or fathers.

by Anonymousreply 107March 26, 2023 3:42 PM

[Quote] I am against far left teachers teaching queer ideology to children.

You mean you’re against teachers discussing reality with their students

by Anonymousreply 108March 26, 2023 7:12 PM

[Quote] This was never about not being able to say that some families have 2 mothers or fathers.

But that’s what it’s become

by Anonymousreply 109March 26, 2023 7:13 PM

r107, but it is being used that way and we predicted that from the start. You (pretend to) act reasonable, but this was intended for unreasonable Deplorables doing the fascist thing. Not a peep of DeSantis or any Republican to clarify the matter. In fact, DeSantis has been on record for his intention to expand Don't Say Gay to higher grades. But sure, hold on to your reasonable argument that the Republicans intend to do the right thing.

by Anonymousreply 110March 26, 2023 7:14 PM

The vagueness is a feature. It makes teachers and schools police themselves and read into the law what they fear is in it.

It’s the same with the CRT and anti-drag laws. Keep it vague to scare everyone

by Anonymousreply 111March 26, 2023 7:18 PM

[Quote] I am against far left teachers teaching queer ideology to children. That’s what this is about. Pronouns, gender spectrums, etc. I’d rather teach my kids about those things myself in my own language. This was never about not being able to say that some families have 2 mothers or fathers.

STFU. You’re a Russian troll. How embarrassing that you’re typing behind a screen while your fellow countrymen are fighting in a war

by Anonymousreply 112March 26, 2023 7:19 PM

Always funny when parents say that it’s their job to teach kids about sex and sexuality—-and then never do.

That’s why teen pregnancy rates went through the roof. Schools had to step in a give sex Ed so everyone had a baseline of info. Parents of course keep fighting it. Parents aren’t equipped to talk about sex and sexuality. Straight parents know nothing about gay people.

by Anonymousreply 113March 26, 2023 7:21 PM

R107 Far left teachers and queer ideology, sure, lmao. What are you doing here cunt?

Another victim of Fetal alcohol syndrome and inbreeding.

by Anonymousreply 114March 26, 2023 7:23 PM

Is it just me or does desantis just look like a

by Anonymousreply 115March 26, 2023 8:31 PM

R112 is my hero.

by Anonymousreply 116March 26, 2023 8:33 PM

R107- keep that same energy for the bibles

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by Anonymousreply 117March 26, 2023 9:12 PM

Halfway Post tweeted satirically that Grindr threatened to release info on Florida Republican politicians who use their app if Florida continued passing antigay laws. If only it were true.

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by Anonymousreply 118March 26, 2023 9:31 PM

[quote] Utah Republicans expressed dismay over a recent complaint filed by an anonymous parent in the Davis School District, who contested the presence of the Bible in schools under a state law that prohibits "pornographic or indecent" content. The parent claimed that the Bible is "one of the most sex-ridden books around."

[quote] The law has previously been employed to remove books by predominantly Black and LGBTQ+ authors from school libraries. The parent's complaint has reignited debate over what constitutes "pornographic or indecent" content in schools.

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by Anonymousreply 119March 27, 2023 12:56 AM

We told you fucking morons that it would be EXACTLY like this and look, it's now exactly like this.

We can't ever give Republicans the benefit of the doubt or believe their constant lies about everything.

Republican? Punch and Delete.

by Anonymousreply 120March 27, 2023 1:06 AM

Re R119

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by Anonymousreply 121March 27, 2023 1:08 AM

I agree with him in the 'gender identity' nonsense.

If the trannies are unhappy it means that's good in general.

by Anonymousreply 122April 20, 2023 2:10 AM

I agree with him in the 'gender identity' nonsense.

If the trannies are unhappy it means that's good in general.

by Anonymousreply 123April 20, 2023 2:10 AM

It’s not about the children. It’s about control.

by Anonymousreply 124April 20, 2023 2:12 AM

May Florida just fall off into the sea once and for all.

by Anonymousreply 125April 20, 2023 2:13 AM

Rhonda also banned protests.

by Anonymousreply 126April 20, 2023 8:28 AM

On the other hand, there's Chris Meloni:

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by Anonymousreply 127April 22, 2023 10:21 PM

Kids have to start using "DeSantis" as their favorite pejorative.

"That's so DeSantis!"

"Don't be a DeSantis."

"Kiss my DeSantis."

He's a real DeSantis-head."

by Anonymousreply 128April 22, 2023 11:44 PM
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