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Brutalism was really a WTF moment in design history wasn’t it

Marcel Bruer’s Catholic Church

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by Anonymousreply 135April 3, 2023 5:34 PM

I absolutely hate that style aesthetic. It's so ominous. A kids playground, really?

by Anonymousreply 1March 22, 2023 2:04 PM

It really is one of those marmite things where both sides have a strong reaction to it. Personally, I can't stand it. Looks alien and completely uninviting, I don't understand why you'd have a church in that style, of all places.

by Anonymousreply 2March 22, 2023 2:05 PM

I really hate it as well. Things already feel dystopian enough.

by Anonymousreply 3March 22, 2023 2:07 PM

Gorgeous photo OP.

by Anonymousreply 4March 22, 2023 2:10 PM

It looks like a community college auditorium.

by Anonymousreply 5March 22, 2023 2:13 PM

I like the idea of trying to create something new out of almost nothing and showing the raw materials used throughout. These will be the last remnants of humanity left on a future decimated Earth.

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by Anonymousreply 6March 22, 2023 2:15 PM

R6 What a lovely perspective, so nice.

by Anonymousreply 7March 22, 2023 2:19 PM

Those all look like something from depressed old communist countries. As pj o'rourke wrote, "commies love concrete".

by Anonymousreply 8March 22, 2023 2:20 PM

I love Brutalism and think it's absolutely gorgeous to look at. But I'll admit the college campus I lived on for a couple of years which was mostly Brutalism was incredibly depressing, especially in the long winters.

by Anonymousreply 9March 22, 2023 2:22 PM

Brutalism: the State Board of Education's choice.

by Anonymousreply 10March 22, 2023 2:25 PM

Here’s my favorite, also built by the Catholic Church (though no longer owned by it).

The Tower of History, in Sault Ste Marie, Michigan. A necessary stop if visiting one of our Marvelous Midwestern Towns!

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by Anonymousreply 11March 22, 2023 2:26 PM

R2 put me in the "cant stand it" camp too. Its bad enough a church in that style, but some people have homes in that style, and variations on that theme are still being built today - just watch Grand Designs to see some of the carbuncles being built

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by Anonymousreply 12March 22, 2023 2:27 PM

It looks like the hold on the freighter NOSTROMO.

by Anonymousreply 13March 22, 2023 2:27 PM

R11 looks like a Tower of Water.

by Anonymousreply 14March 22, 2023 2:30 PM

I love a lot of it. The best of it has an ancient/modern lost civilization look.

by Anonymousreply 15March 22, 2023 2:31 PM

It must be Spring, the perennial DL Brutalism bashing thread has appeared.

by Anonymousreply 16March 22, 2023 2:34 PM

I think it's popularity owes to the overexposure of things Bauhaus.

I came to like some Brutalist architecture spending a long time in London There the scars of war had been patched over with some really dreadful lightweight stuff, the ugliest possible interpretation of International Style, the only virtue of which was that it surely would not be "for the ages."

Some of my those flimsy elementary school and council estate looking stuff came up for replacement and the Brutalist style was an obvious counterpoint: concrete as construction, concrete as texture, concrete as style and ornament replaced the buildings that looked as though they had been assembled from decks of playing cards.

It took a long time to love them, even a little bit: Paul Rudolph's buildings at Yale which do have a sexiness, the Barbican in London, Habitat '67 in Montreal...there was some beauty to these, and a beauty that did grow on me. Reno Goldfinger's Trellick Tower apartments, Boston City Hall, Breuer's Whitney Museum though, I'll never love them. I think the Whitney had one wall in a setting where it had some appeal to it, but only from the perfect angle.

It's popular to like Brutalist architecture, or to say that you do, but most of it is a hard, heavy fail for me. The few examples that soar a bit, that have a sculptural quality, that you want to run the back of your hand against a bit dangerously perhaps, they really do stand out against the rest.

by Anonymousreply 17March 22, 2023 2:37 PM

its popularity

by Anonymousreply 18March 22, 2023 2:37 PM

Yikes: Erno Goldfinger, and various other typos.

by Anonymousreply 19March 22, 2023 2:39 PM

I'm enamored by the cold, desolate, geometric, temple-like aesthetic of it all. If I had the money, I would have my home like it. Tadao Ando pulls it off well.

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by Anonymousreply 20March 22, 2023 2:41 PM

The Salk Institute by Louis Kahn.

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by Anonymousreply 21March 22, 2023 2:43 PM

Gallery of house in Switzerland or something.

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by Anonymousreply 22March 22, 2023 2:44 PM

[quote] don't understand why you'd have a church in that style, of all places.

OP's example is imposing and conveys authority, if not majesty. It can easily be seen why a church would pursue this effect, especially if it was preaching an Old Testament image of God.

by Anonymousreply 23March 22, 2023 2:45 PM

That church looks depressing as hell

by Anonymousreply 24March 22, 2023 2:50 PM

The Unsolved Mysteries episode of the overachiever gay college student was great for introducing this Breuer church to us.

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by Anonymousreply 25March 22, 2023 2:52 PM

The look is one thing but when looking at all the interior pictures, all I can think about is the sound coldly echoing throughout and around every corner, endlessly, like an aural attack coming from all directions.

by Anonymousreply 26March 22, 2023 2:56 PM

Problem is, later architects all thought they could be Corbusier. But they couldn't.

by Anonymousreply 27March 22, 2023 3:09 PM

For everyone bashing the style, whatever. You'd still have sex in Brutalist buildings.

by Anonymousreply 28March 22, 2023 3:13 PM

When the zombies come, you'll all be wishing you lived in a concrete cave with barely any windows!!

by Anonymousreply 29March 22, 2023 3:22 PM

Not in love with the church, but not in love with The Church, so I'll manage. My college dorm was brutalist, not that I knew that nomenclature at the time, and I loved it. I'd grown up in a 1919 colonial-style house in which my bedroom was ugly brown and dark olive and early American, which I hated, loathed, and detested. So living in a modern dorm with no unnecessary design elements was a wonderful thing.

Over time, however, I've lived mostly in prewar apartment buildings. They're so much better constructed than newer buildings. My furnishings have always been more modern, though.

by Anonymousreply 30March 22, 2023 4:02 PM

R1 confusedly sees a child's playground after calling the work ominous.

It is antithetical to both pre- and post-Vatican-II aesthetics, and stands alone. Why? Because, despite offering a sense of mystery and even awe, it does not refer, embody or point to the Resurrection, which is the non plus ultra of Catholicism. The church is an opera set, not a site for liturgical celebration.

I like it, but more for "Murder in the Cathedral" than a 6 am low mass on a nondescript ferial day.

Although I'm Catholic.

by Anonymousreply 31March 22, 2023 4:14 PM

[quote]Although I'm Catholic.

The Datalounge condoles you.

by Anonymousreply 32March 22, 2023 4:16 PM

Time for DL's annual thread on Brutalism.

by Anonymousreply 33March 22, 2023 4:17 PM


by Anonymousreply 34March 22, 2023 4:26 PM

The Breuer church pictured at OP is not nearly as dismal as that photo suggests. It's stark, sure.

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by Anonymousreply 35March 22, 2023 4:44 PM

This Portman interior is okay

But its more postmodernist Brutalism than classical Brutalism

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by Anonymousreply 36March 22, 2023 4:48 PM

R34 live in my nightmare!

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by Anonymousreply 37March 22, 2023 4:51 PM

I realise my suggestion is anathema and contradicts the purpose of brutalism, but I think in the 21st century, some of these very handsome brutalist building would look smashing with pristine coats of paint.

by Anonymousreply 38March 22, 2023 4:56 PM

For example, churches and campus buildings, where people have a right to feel calm and perhaps spiritually lifted.

Sur I like the dystopian masterpieces as well, but they needed be forced on the public who must use them.

by Anonymousreply 39March 22, 2023 4:58 PM

In the 60s my city and state went through a period of Brutalism. Older (beautiful) high schools were knocked down to build bigger high schools in this homely architecture. Community colleges were built while other colleges expanded their campuses with this awful look. Office buildings were built in downtown, surrounded by beautiful buildings built in the 1800s. Just about every government building was built in this design, sticking out like a sore thumb. Such unwelcoming architecture among jewels in the state.

by Anonymousreply 40March 22, 2023 4:59 PM

Brutalism is great for movie making. Great atmosphere and all. But that's about it.

by Anonymousreply 41March 22, 2023 5:00 PM

I've stayed a few times at the Corbusier masterpiece La Tourette. (Weekend contemplation retreats.) Before and after restoration. In fact a few spaces are painted and they are beautiful. And the concrete doesn't need to be stained and mouldy to remain faithful to the gesture of brutalism.

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by Anonymousreply 42March 22, 2023 5:04 PM

Music to cower by:

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by Anonymousreply 43March 22, 2023 5:08 PM


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by Anonymousreply 44March 23, 2023 8:04 AM

The Brutalist library is a ghastly scar on the Northwestern campus.

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by Anonymousreply 45March 23, 2023 8:23 AM

[quote] Gorgeous photo OP.

No humans, no life, no soul.

This Brutalist stuff needs good well-lit photos and photoshop to make it marginally attractive.

by Anonymousreply 46March 23, 2023 8:28 AM

[quote]The Brutalist library is a ghastly scar on the Northwestern campus.

I think it is beautiful r45.

by Anonymousreply 47March 23, 2023 8:30 AM

I’m glad this stunning building got a new life and I would love to stay there.

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by Anonymousreply 48March 23, 2023 8:38 AM

r9 UMass Amherst?

by Anonymousreply 49March 23, 2023 8:46 AM

Good lighting and a concrete palm tree help a lot.

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by Anonymousreply 50March 23, 2023 9:08 AM

I grew up with a school with a Brutalist church hall and attended a university with a Brutalist library.

So that inured me to urban blight early in life.

by Anonymousreply 51March 23, 2023 9:26 AM

Evans Hall, the most despised building in the Berkeley campus, is a comin’ down. That’s brutal!

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by Anonymousreply 52March 23, 2023 11:18 AM

Evans Hall isn't brutalist, or if it was meant to be, it was a failure.

by Anonymousreply 53March 23, 2023 11:48 AM

I like it.

by Anonymousreply 54March 23, 2023 11:54 AM

Goldfinger's Trellick Tower looks like Bob and Emily Hartley's luxury Chicago apt bldg mated with the Evans's Chicago slum project bldg.


by Anonymousreply 55March 23, 2023 11:57 AM

Of course Evans Hall is a failure, that’s why it will be demolished.

by Anonymousreply 56March 23, 2023 12:16 PM

Here’s some brutal Berkeley: Wurster, home of the Dept. of Architecture, etc.

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by Anonymousreply 57March 23, 2023 12:20 PM

I love it.

by Anonymousreply 58March 23, 2023 12:41 PM

University of Pittsburgh, Pitt, loves it double whammy of academic Brutalism and Library Brutalism. This is the School for Library and Information Studies.

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by Anonymousreply 59March 23, 2023 1:56 PM

And this is Pitt’s main library on campus, which ironically sits across from the big neoclassical main Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh. Apparently Hillman is going through extensive reinvention this year of its space.

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by Anonymousreply 60March 23, 2023 1:58 PM

Off the top of my head I just aware of New York and Pennsylvania, but I’m interested in knowing how many other capitals have State Museums that were built in a Brutalist style? I’m assuming it was a nationwide idea that emerged simultaneously and that was the style that was predominant at the time as was the belief that they were cheaper to make which all state budgets would have embraced.

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by Anonymousreply 61March 23, 2023 6:38 PM

Pennsylvania’s State Museum

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by Anonymousreply 62March 23, 2023 6:41 PM

I thought I would start my looking at the place between them, so here’s NJ’s State Museum. My first glance makes reminds me of The Kennedy Center, which I think more of as Neofacist then Brutalist. There are pictures where the clad stone looks less white and more grey streaked.

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by Anonymousreply 63March 23, 2023 6:48 PM

I'm not expert. I think much of the 70s architecture in Albany is International style. "neoclassical". I can see brutalist influences but I wouldn't say it's brutalist.

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by Anonymousreply 64March 23, 2023 6:48 PM

R64 Thanks, I was making my opinion just based on that link which randomly appeared on my Google page and the picture shot is made to look as unflattering and Brutalistic as can be. I think many of these state museums are influenced by Brasília’s architecture. Would that be International or Brutalism? Or is there something that lies in between?

by Anonymousreply 65March 23, 2023 7:04 PM

I've grown to appreciate Brutalist buildings. You do feel safe inside and the sound-proofing is excellent.

I wonder, though, about long-term. How do these buildings hold up? What happens in a bad earthquake?

Brutalist buildings remind me of the Gothic cathedrals.

by Anonymousreply 66March 23, 2023 7:14 PM

One of my many work-study jobs (i.e., financial aid) was gallery attendant in this building. 15 hours/week @ $8/hr paid for a good amount of weed & shrooms 🤠

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by Anonymousreply 67March 23, 2023 7:51 PM

Many such buildings at my old school

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by Anonymousreply 68March 23, 2023 10:04 PM

R68 That’s where the Dr. Seuss archives are located. It would fit right into the Lorax landscape.

by Anonymousreply 69March 23, 2023 10:25 PM

The New York State museum has giant warehouses crammed full of donated items. When I lived in Albany back in the mid 90s there was a news report about how so much of the donated items were being stored improperly and being damaged,but they simply didnt have the money to keep it all up. I remember they talked about they had whole mansions full that had been donated from old families that had died out,they even had an entire victorian ice cream parlor dismantled and stored. Ive often wondered why they could just sell off the lesser shit to maintain the better stuff. One segment showed racks upon racks of art work,god only knows what was forgotten in there. Im with many others,I loathe Brutalism .

by Anonymousreply 70March 23, 2023 10:36 PM

[quote] I loathe Brutalism

Most people do.

Only the pseudo-intellectual self-perceived elite love it.

by Anonymousreply 71March 23, 2023 10:46 PM

If ever there was a style that screamed, "go ahead, it's ok, smear your feces on my walls" this would be it.

by Anonymousreply 72March 23, 2023 10:59 PM

Some of the Brutalist structures I like very much. One is the Verdun Metro station in Montreal. It is monumental somehow. Perhaps I was awed because I wasn't expecting such a vast space in a station that in a nothing special neighborhood.

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by Anonymousreply 73March 24, 2023 1:38 AM

R72 I don’t know about that, for me the classic wattle and daub construction looks like that akready.

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by Anonymousreply 74March 24, 2023 1:45 AM

I like the tiniest fraction of Brutalist architecture. But that's the extent of it.

by Anonymousreply 75March 24, 2023 1:51 AM

I think it’s warm and inviting. Until something FAT stepped in.

by Anonymousreply 76March 24, 2023 1:52 AM

Crosley Tower at the University of Cincinnati was routinely voted the ugliest building in the city.

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by Anonymousreply 77March 24, 2023 2:18 AM

If I lived in Canada, would love to live there.

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by Anonymousreply 78March 26, 2023 12:40 AM

I don't like buildings that look like they're made to stagger into for purposes of urination.

by Anonymousreply 79March 26, 2023 12:55 AM

Safdie considered Habitat to be "anti-brutalism".

by Anonymousreply 80March 26, 2023 1:01 AM

That's true R80 I should have mentioned that but funny how he used all exposed concrete.

by Anonymousreply 81March 26, 2023 1:09 AM

I think it is derivative of one of the most amazing wonders of the world the ancient city in Ethiopia Lalibela. Photo below is of one of their brutalist churches.

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by Anonymousreply 82March 26, 2023 1:21 AM

R64 Wallace K. Harrison -- Rockefeller's favorite architect -- produced buildings that were hard, ugly and brutal indeed. But not in the Brutalism genre as the term is generally used.

by Anonymousreply 83March 26, 2023 4:57 AM

i love brutalism,

it comm strength & stability

which is something 2 b desired in this age of chinese wayfair gingerbread home

in the face weird climate change F-U, like flood, earthquakes, sinkhole, tornadoes, or worm rain

by Anonymousreply 84March 26, 2023 5:00 AM

r78 oh my, your ability to scope out shitholes to squat in is uncanny r78

by Anonymousreply 85March 26, 2023 5:03 AM

R78 I wouldnt call those apts Brutalist.

by Anonymousreply 86March 26, 2023 5:15 AM

Brasília's architecture is neither Brutalist nor international, R65. It's modernist.

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by Anonymousreply 87March 26, 2023 9:41 AM

Northwestern’s University Library was a wonderful place to study and do research - the conceptual ideas that went into the how the building was organized and functioned really worked quite well. The exterior grew on me There were other, lesser brutalist structures on the lake-fill campus, but Norris had an intriguing duality of a simplistic massive exterior that was surprisingly complex inside - it contained an enormous amount of activity and a variety of functions very well.

by Anonymousreply 88March 26, 2023 10:29 AM

It's funny how the architecture profession has never really been about beauty.

by Anonymousreply 89March 26, 2023 11:03 AM

Just like Haute Couture has never been about beauty either.

by Anonymousreply 90March 26, 2023 11:23 AM

[quote] These will be the last remnants of humanity left on a future decimated Earth.

R6 What do you mean? Are you being sarcastic?

Raw concrete may be less destructible than other materials but are you saying these brutal buildings are humane?

by Anonymousreply 91March 27, 2023 7:47 AM

Don't be a pedant, R91. He obviously means they were created by humans.

by Anonymousreply 92March 27, 2023 7:51 AM

Ironically, they just discoverered why Roman concrete lasts thousands of years and modern concrete only about 50.

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by Anonymousreply 93March 27, 2023 8:02 AM

As far as the "marmite" (sic) comparison, Marmite is not brutalist for anything except the tongues of babies and people on the autism scale.

Aesthetic "taste," however, IS in the mouth for some, as in R2.

by Anonymousreply 94March 27, 2023 3:16 PM

[quote] "The Tower of History, in Sault Ste Marie, Michigan. A necessary stop if visiting one of our Marvelous Midwestern Towns!"

"Tower of History" absolutely sounds like a landmark in North Korea, R11. And I'd tour a Brutalist struchture if given the opportunity, but I'm going to actively seek Frank Lloyd Wright's work, if I'm in the Midwest.

by Anonymousreply 95March 27, 2023 11:10 PM

Frank Lloyd Wright's stuff was NOT Brutalist!

by Anonymousreply 96March 27, 2023 11:26 PM

FLW fucked me on the big rock in the middle of the stream and his stuff looked quite brutal to me!

by Anonymousreply 97March 27, 2023 11:29 PM

[quote] FLW fucked me

He annoyed lots of people but his buildings were romantic and 'organic' but not brutal.

All of them had garden beds and big flower pots.

by Anonymousreply 98March 27, 2023 11:37 PM

Béton brut = raw concrete.

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by Anonymousreply 99March 28, 2023 9:43 PM

R95 Frank Lloyd Wright's Broadacre City, 1935

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by Anonymousreply 100March 30, 2023 12:12 AM

R100 - What's very interesting about Wright's 1935 sketch is that it vaguely predicts what he would design for his 1936 commission for SC Johnson's headquarters, and it really presages his 1949 Research Tower addition at SCJ.

by Anonymousreply 101March 31, 2023 11:23 PM

It can be beautiful. Jatiyo Sangsad Bhaban.

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by Anonymousreply 102April 1, 2023 12:50 AM

That building may be raw concrete but I wouldn't call it beautiful.

I'd call it 'Very rich, old American using childlike shapes appropriate for a third world country'.

by Anonymousreply 103April 1, 2023 1:03 AM

For your viewing pleasure a brutalist vase:

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by Anonymousreply 104April 1, 2023 1:08 AM

^ I'd call that primitive and misshapen.

Alison (and her husband) coined this new word from the French in the 60s because they were upper-middle-class intellectuals.

by Anonymousreply 105April 1, 2023 1:45 AM

Alison (and her husband)

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by Anonymousreply 106April 1, 2023 2:06 AM

If you see a truly beautiful Brutalist building by Louis Kahn, like the Kimball Art Museum or the Salk Institute, your view of Brutalism will forever change.

There genuinely was at least one of the greatest architects working in that idiom. Unfortunately, most of the other architects who also were were not great.

by Anonymousreply 107April 1, 2023 2:13 AM

R107 Are you saying Kahn was one of the greatest architects working in the Brutalist idiom?

How do you rate Corbusier?

by Anonymousreply 108April 1, 2023 2:20 AM

My teacher who was a worshipper of the 'functionalist esthetic' was Kahn fan.

But I notice that the word 'Brutalism' doesn't appear on the Wiki pages for Kahn or the Kimball Museum.

by Anonymousreply 109April 1, 2023 2:37 AM

The Salk Institute

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by Anonymousreply 110April 1, 2023 2:39 AM

^ These concrete blocks NEED to be photographed on lovely sunny days with blue skies.

Human beings MUST be banished from the photograph.

by Anonymousreply 111April 1, 2023 2:43 AM

Have any of you had your image of an architectural masterpiece framed by those classic photos, then found it a let down when you see it in person?

Buildings age, additions and changes are made, neighboring structures crowd in etc, and of course architectural photographers, like portait artists, have their special ways of making subjects look better than they really do.

by Anonymousreply 112April 1, 2023 5:15 AM

Oh Please, must every pic Americas take of "good architecture" be filled with Murder She Wrote old ladies to warm of the photo?

by Anonymousreply 113April 1, 2023 5:18 AM

R113 Can you rephrase that question?

by Anonymousreply 114April 1, 2023 5:23 AM

[quote] Buildings age

Look at the last picture of this Early Corbusier—

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by Anonymousreply 115April 1, 2023 5:25 AM

Discussions about Brutalism usually include people singing its praises and showing exceptional, monumental structures that are impressive in some imposing way even if they are still horrendously ugly to me.

These discussions always overlook the reality that most Brutalist buildings are like the HHS building pictured here: they are entirely unremarkable except that they are extraordinarily foreboding, gloomy architectural allegories for clinical depression that look like they belong in the communist Eastern Bloc.

I work in one of these buildings. My office faces one of these buildings. Looking out of the window feels like part of my soul is being sucked out through the window by the featureless gray cement with water stains and blakened square windows.

I really detest this architectural movement.

I do think the DC Metro tunnels, which are Brutalist design, are interesting to look at. The architectural appeal is still kind of futuristic looking. But at the same time, European Metro stations tend to be so vibrant and colorful, and by comparison, descending into a DC Metro station feels like a post-apocalyptic event.

And I didn't realize until I saw this thread that Catholics seem to have or to have had a fixation on this style, which seems really bizarre given that the Vatican is the most ostentatiously opulent place on Planet Earth. The Lauinger Library at the Jesuit Georgetown University looks like it was inspired by Sauron's tower of evil from Lord of the Rings. What kind of allegedly God-worshiping institution would build these monuments to dark forces?

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by Anonymousreply 116April 1, 2023 11:16 AM

Georgetown University/Mordor

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by Anonymousreply 117April 1, 2023 11:19 AM

I think the Catholic Church in general, and a place like Georgetown in particular, embraced Brutalism because, at the time, it had sophisticated cultural cachet at a high intellectual level - and the Catholic hierarchy, and Jesuits in particular, tend to be, or see themselves as sophisticated intellectuals.

It was also the preeminent contemporary high architectural style of the Post Vatican II era when the Church was very deliberately trying to “modernize.” For an instruction that always placed a high value on aesthetics, and often commissioned major works in the contemporary style of a given era, Brutalism, at that moment, was actually a very natural fit.

by Anonymousreply 118April 2, 2023 4:32 AM

I love Louis Kahn, and he is so good. And any human who does not like him can just go and get fucked.

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by Anonymousreply 119April 2, 2023 5:11 AM

^ you don't sound very humane.

by Anonymousreply 120April 2, 2023 5:16 AM

R118 Brutalism's natural fault can be found within its name: it's brutal.

It is a *really interesting* phenomenon that the Catholic institution would adopt a brutal, soulless, cold concrete style for its monuments and churches and learning institutions. By which I mean to say, from the vantage point of someone like me who perceives the global Catholic church institution to be a locus of unholy horrors, it's appropriate. It's just shocking that the Vatican, known for the most indulgent, gaudy, ornate style of architectural and bodily decoration in history, would choose to build places of worship and learning that look like shopping mall parking garages. The bishops and popes adorn their worlds with shining golden threads and gold-leafed walls and ceilings and furniture, precious gemstones and paintings and sculptures and obelisks stolen from the world's oldest civilizations, and they skim money off their worshiping customers and serve up religion to them in Brutal concrete slabs.

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by Anonymousreply 121April 2, 2023 7:51 AM

[quote] Brutalism's natural fault can be found within its name: it's brutal.

I have never been able to understand why the Smithsons chose this French word as their label.

It is self-defeating.

by Anonymousreply 122April 2, 2023 7:59 AM

R122 It's fitting. It's a visual assault. Brutalist buildings look like complicated futuristic prisons where nothing good could possibly happen, and where people are only dragged out of small concrete cells on occasion to be beaten and otherwise tormented.

I imagine if one is ever 'disappeared' by the Russian government, they disappear into a building that looks like this one.

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by Anonymousreply 123April 2, 2023 8:13 AM

Brutalism is the perfect example of a style responding entirely to its period; materially, functionally, conceptually. But dahum, some of it is UGLY!

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by Anonymousreply 124April 2, 2023 8:33 AM

i love brutalism,

it comm strength & stability

which is something 2 b desired in this age of chinese wayfair gingerbread home **************** Wtf? "It comm"? Are you a machine?

by Anonymousreply 125April 2, 2023 10:47 AM

[quote] chinese wayfair

I haven't heard of that. Is it the name of a shop?

by Anonymousreply 126April 2, 2023 11:32 AM

I don't even understand how someone chooses to write mumbo jumbo like R125, much less how someone else tries to make sense of what it is supposed to mean.

Is everyone's brain rotting?

by Anonymousreply 127April 2, 2023 11:34 AM

Apparently R84's brain is rotting, R127.

All this Brutalist crap looks very Nazi-ish.

by Anonymousreply 128April 2, 2023 11:57 AM

Would anything be a bigger mind fuck than a Brutalist exterior with a Memphis Group interior!

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by Anonymousreply 129April 2, 2023 12:17 PM

Here’s a good example of Brutalism.

The Charterhouse of the Transfiguration in Vermont—the only Charterhouse of the Carthusians in the United States.

I cannot imagine being enclosed in such an unattractive environment.

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by Anonymousreply 130April 2, 2023 12:26 PM

I think with Europe you have to remember that they needed to rebuild as quickly and cheaply as possible after the war, and brutalism fulfilled the remit. I think without that necessity, it would never have caught on.

by Anonymousreply 131April 2, 2023 12:26 PM

R131 That doesn't explain its pervasiveness in the US, and especially in DC.

I have read that when federal buildings here in Washington were converted into Brutalist structures, the idea was to communicate an idea of no-frills, no wasted money on impractical things like non-terrifying architectural design.

It's really jarring to me that HHS, the Department of Education, the FBI building all look like Soviet prisons, and meanwhile, the Supreme Court, Congressional office buildings and the Capital and the White House all are neoclassical, and then the Eisenhower Executive Office Building next to the White House, where the VP's office is, is Parisian-style ornate Baroque palace. It's such aesthetic whiplash, and all are federal buildings. I can understand evolving styles over time, but the Brutalist ones all look to me like the ruins of an unearthed ancient septic system. Fucking bizarre and scary.

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by Anonymousreply 132April 2, 2023 12:36 PM

R132 That is such a cool building. I wish we had more like it down under. Unfortunately we mostly have this sort of thing - fucking hideous

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by Anonymousreply 133April 2, 2023 2:29 PM

Nelson, I condole you.

It may be demolished in 30 years.

All the 1980s Brutalist buildings near me have been painted or have had tizzy ornamentation bolted the facades to lessen the brutish, brusque appearance of the architect's Brutalism-worshipping intentions.

by Anonymousreply 134April 2, 2023 10:55 PM

i kinda like the mouse bunker in berlin. it looks like a beached ironclad armed to the teefs

by Anonymousreply 135April 3, 2023 5:34 PM
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