Is this the future of masculinity?

Where’s Billy Porter in this?

The red carpet is hardly the barometer for the average working man

Who's the one on the left?

Maybe in the Hunger Games Capitol.

Where's Sam Smith?

This isn’t about masculinity, this is decadence. These are powdered wigs and red cheeks and high heels of the nobility.

I mean so the Oscars looks like the MTV Awards now, big deal. It’s nothing new.

[quote]Is this the future of masculinity?

Possibly for liberal men, who have become very feminized in recent years.

Remember how in the '90s we used to say, "Is he gay or just European (or British)?" whenever a European guy came off rather effeminate.

Now it's, "Is he gay or just liberal?" It's astonishing how easy it is to pick out a liberal man vs. a conservative man these days simply by just looking at him.

Timmy Shallowmay look pissed that she lost out to Polly Holliday as the sassy side-kick in Alice.

If you're constitutionally incapable of not dissing Tim O'Tay, r9, could you at least make sense?

What is the sex appeal of these flamboyant trends? Who's the target demographic - both to lust after and to emulate? I don't just mean in the context of virtue signaling on the red carpet. What about off the red carpet? What about among the populace as a whole? As a gay man, I find any man dressed like that an absolute turn off. Even Paul Mescal, who oozes sex appeal otherwise, becomes unappealing in that Oscars getup. Give me a regular/masc man in a "boring" tux, keep these flamboyant attention whores.

Attention whoring celebrity men. Nothing new.

Only young men dress like this?

Amen r11

Few men today are dressing like this. I see hordes of young men still dressing in a pretty rustic hipster style. Look around you.

Feminine influences were much more prevalent in men's clothing in the 1970s than they are today.

I don't see any of those red-carpet styles trickling down to the average guy any time soon.

Agree with R11.

OP, are you and others here worried for the future of masculinity?

[quote] This isn’t about masculinity, this is decadence.

MARY, R6!

I generally don't like it because stylistically their choices are mostly ugly as hell. You can throw on a women's top or dress to make a statement, sure. But it shows that they (or their stylists) give very little thought to it actually being visually appealing.

These young bitches need to take notes from Lenny Kravitz who's been doing it since the 80s and still manages to make it look sexy and put together.

What I hate more about the picture from OP's link is the scowling. As well as making you look douchey, scowling also makes you look much less attractive. Lil Nas X and Paul Mescal look, to me, so much more attractive than Laviscount and Chalamet here.

R20 agree . It is not fair to compare Paul Mescal to Chalamet. Paul works out and has muscle . I think he will gain more muscles to prepare for Gladiator 2 . Paul really has potentials

R15, I’m going to assume you don’t live in nyc. Here, even on the apps (and ironically on profiles mentioning that they’re only into masc dudes - 🤣), you encounter guys like this everywhere. Usually in the 20-30 year old range.

Chalamet is a poseur and an opportunist. Period.

That's the real question--what is Chalamet's future in movies?

Not much of one, as I see it.

Hollywood is just a vestigial joke now - it doesn't reflect or inform real culture anymore if you ask me. These celebs completely sicken the average man.

That is the apex of masculinity because masculine men wear what the fuck they want. We don't care what you think.

Give me Chris Meloni and his beefy ass in a kilt. That's a masculine guy in a skirt.

[quote]I’m going to assume you don’t live in nyc.

I don't. And neither do most young men.

^ who claimed that they do?

Nas isn’t masculine by any stretch of the asshole

Masculine men will always be the what most gay males and straight females desire.

Always. It's hardwired in us.

For eons, it was women who got all the attention for wearing outlandish gowns on the red carpet. Put a guy in a black tie suit and he's invisible.

This is about media attention and some male celebrities using the red carpet to get it. And guys like OP contribute to it with his "Look at them! LOOK AT THEM!" temper tantrum.

R11 It appeals to all the Gen Z gender fluid pansexuals. All these little zoomer girls and they/thems go nuts for that shit (not that they're actually having sex with anyone). Olivia Wilde proved she was still young and hot by getting Harry Styles to indicate he was fucking her.

R21 Ugh. No matter what that boy does he just has such little brother energy.

What does Josh Hawley think?

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r31, having seen some of the men DL considers masculine—there have been two such threads in the past couple of months—I'll take people like Timmy, Andrew Garfield, or Ben Aldridge any day of the week. Or the lovely Aaron Tveit.

R37, for sure there's a contingent of gay men and women who are attracted to more androgynous men like the guys you like. Nothing wrong with that.

But the majority will still want a man who falls somewhere in the spectrum of classically masculine men. From the prettier version (Chris Hemsworth) to the daddy version (Chris Meloni) to the everyman version (vintage Harrison Ford) to the cartoonish version (any bodybuilder or sculpted athlete).

R38 I wouldn’t consider them androgynous - maybe Timmy, a little, but not the others. What’s your definition of masculine if someone like Aldridge or Tveit is feminine?

I like the left guy's gay Sith Lord look.

R36 I cant believe I'd agree so hard with something DarkMingeLord said.

Only the first sentence tho.

America’s whimsical masculinity

And who says Romance is dead?

R42 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

R43 looks like King Hippo from Mike Tyson’s Punchout.

many posters here have issues...

R46 = the “model” in r43

The article makes a good point, that only 6 or 7 years ago you didn't see too much of this. Maybe it will peak. How often is it actually attractive?

It’ll peak once WWIII happens.

Yes because we've never gone through fruity phases throughout history.

Like I've said before, pronouns are the current "don't call me Miss or Mrs, it's MZ/Mizz"

Normalcy shall return.

Perhaps not. Rudolf Nureyev and Mick Jagger were sporting this in the early 80s

Once we fall into something worse than the depression, people will have zero tolerance for this shit.

They look like characters from The Fifth Element.

Because this clothing hurts people, R52?

R54 will be the first casualty.

R50 Not so much in the USA.

R48 You did, it was just in different places.

I think the 90’s was the least flamboyant era for men since the 50’s at least. But the shaggy, the hippie, the punk, the new wave, the goth, the emo have always been more flamboyant.

Men in eyeliner and nail polish was a little bit over 10 years ago.

No, there are definitely more star actors dressing androgynously now, at formerly formal or semi-formal events were a few years ago they wore suits or tuxes. Twenty-something heart throb actors (not rock stars turned actors) weren't wearing the kinds of things Chalamet wears. On the red carpet and at awards shows.

Lil Nas X is the only one where the outfit looks like an extension of his personality. He seems genuine. The others look like they raided their aunt's wardrobe. No matter how daring the outfit, they ironically look stuffy.

drop dead paul mascel, u homophobic bully

Look no further, bitches:

Only recently into the blacks after meeting a 6'4 Marine and fitness trainer who punishes my poor hole regularly for all the inappropriate non-PC things that come out of my mouth.

Heaven on earth.

But yeah, I would take Lil Nas X raw (hopefully "X" is for XTRA LARGE & THICK) any time and day.

r62 = also Shawn Mendes

🤣

Part of the Future: Even gorgeous Jacob Elordi can’t really get away with nail polish on men

Nail polish on men took me 2 seconds to get used to.

You guys are so old timey and refuse to update your sensibilities

men used to dressed like these, with lots of jewelleries. Do u hv no culture, op

Posho, your daily assaults on English orthography, grammar and syntax are very jarring.

Nas isn’t masculine in my book

We’re all born naked and the rest is drag

Nas is masculine. Lil Nas X is not

R68- said the bitch, who is complaining about boys wearing nail polish

I've never complained about that, R72. In another thread, I mentioned that Jacob Elordi wears nail polish (as seen on this thread) but I didn't complain about it. It seems that your reading skills leave as much to be desired as your writing skills.

This is just a current trend.

In the 70s' we had hyper masculine types like Sam Elliot, Burt Reynolds and Sean Connery. Eventually people got tired of this and in came Dustin Hoffman and Michael Caine.

It's a pendulum that will always swing back.

It’s the It’s Been Done Before Troll at r74 🙄

R73- read ur caption on R64 bfr criticising anyone's writing or reading skills

I pronounce "posho" as "po' show", i.e., "poor show," as that's what he puts on in each of his posts. Eventually, I tired of his attention-seeking behavior and blocked him.

Probably wise, R77.

Posho @ R76: looks like you'll also need to familiarise yourself with Ignoredar as well as boning up on your reading comprehension and the rudiments of English orthography, grammar and punctuation, because I didn't write the post you mention. You'll be a very busy boy.

Thank you r75 for your well thought out contribution. You really made me rethink my opinion.

Unfortunately, history has shown and will show this is true.

Now back to your multiple cats. At least they think you're special.

R77, R78- is that ur way of bullying me, for calling u out fr supporting the kill the gay bill in the uganda. U should follow ur own advice n learn to create puns, that r not basic as fk. PS, i hv already told u i can not use certain words bcoz of my ocd

R74 Michael Caine was already in, by the 60s.

I couldn't give a fuck to be honest. If men want to dress like that, it's their choice.

All the tutting -- especially from gay men -- just comes across as sour grapes. I can't see why else anyone would care what strangers choose to wear.

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R82 Have you ever lived on earth? The way celebs dress has been something people gossip, bitch, and laugh about for decades. They're fair game. And they really don't need you to defend them. There's always someone who says the things you say but no one is ever going to stop celebrity watching or celebrity bashing.

Never fucked incel eldergays snarking about successful sexy thin young men.

If they looked good in those clothes nobody would be snarking on them.

Once upon a time people tried to wear the most attractive clothes possible, clothes that made them look their most attractive. That's not only a good idea, it makes sense. Rather than dressing up to look clownish or embarrassing. Then we're all supposed to admire it? I don't think so. They're making fools of you.

That look won't go mainstream.

R86 I'm not defending celebrities. I know they don't care what people say (good or bad). If they did, they went into the wrong business.

I'm talking more widely. Many of the posts in this thread are dripping with the usual right wing pearl clutching "men are getting more feminised in the West and it's a bad thing!" take. Not only is that crap, but it's tinged in homophobia because it's not so subtly implying there's something wrong with men who aren't the stereotypical "masc" guy.

There's a reason suicide is the leading cause of death in young men. There's a huge amount of pressure put on men to "man up" and not talk about their problems or even cry - ostensibly because it's "weak" and "girly".

That's why I just think "oh fuck off" when I see yet another "aren't men becoming so feminine?" talking point online. So, once again, fuck off.

[quote]There's a huge amount of pressure put on men to "man up" and not talk about their problems or even cry - ostensibly because it's "weak" and "girly".

So man up and don't act so girly, princess.

R92 :-)

r91 I'd have to disagree on a few points... suicide and bashing is more about the homophobia and isolation than perceived effeminacy aka the theory that all homophobia is actually just misogyny. It includes the masculine element as well.. in which for those of us that are masculine are told we're toxic and self hating, possessing internalized homophobia, and have no place in the community (by some vocal and other aggressive members) if we aren't a caricature of our sexuality. . . the same way other forms of collectivism, tribalism, plays out for other communities (some which say we're not really ____ if we're gay) that suggest we can only express ourselves in one way, lest we be deemed inauthentic and shunned... well, at best, if not hunted down by the lynch mob that forms.

[quote] Once upon a time people tried to wear the most attractive clothes possible, clothes that made them look their most attractive.

Times have changed. Stunning and brave is the new attractive.

“Stunning and brave” strikes me as so disingenuous. Do these guys genuinely feel they look good or are they basically virtue signalling because transvestism is suddenly, inexplicably, the in thing? (Although I suppose that’s not without precedent; recalling Bowie and 70’s glam rock).

They look like utter fools, to be honest. It won’t age well.

[quote] They look like utter fools, to be honest. It won’t age well.

That is your old, outdated opinion. And just like previous old generations whining about youth culture, you will die with the knowledge that the world goes to shit, because of those damn boys wearing girly clothes now.

R94 Nah, simply being masculine isn't enough to be told you're self-hating. I'm not effeminate but I've never been accused of having internalised homophobia. I've only seen that levelled at gay men who look down on feminine gay men - their words and actions give them away, not how they look or dress.

Some can't seem to accept that many gay men are naturally camp. They act as though such men are just attention seeking. I've got a childhood friend who was bullied at school for being fem. I'm pretty sure he'd have stopped it if he could.

The whole masculine vs. feminine men becomes an issue when the so-called masculine gays whine that the femme gays devalue and threaten THEIR gay brand, like these masculine Gays own the word gay and the Gay Community itself.

The problem is that these masculine guys try to take over and rule a group that is built on embracing diversity and civil rights liberties and has expanded to even greater diversity (LGBTQ+). If you want some masculine gay group, start one and declare and make sure to let everybody know who you don't want in your group, like you're being a mean Heather in high school making sure everybody knows who isn't invited. That's typical masculine behavior, right? Hey, here's an idea: Why don't you call yourself PROUD BOYS?

Act like a man!

men's fashion has been limited fr far too long, these boys r atleast trying something new, most of their outfits r basic as fuck but they r miles more exciting than the men's penguin march in every red carpets

Live and let live. They’re living rent free in your head

r98 because your experience is all that matters, only you know the truth and no other gay has issues with the scene.... so, no, it couldn't possibly be that at all.

Or are you just a frau?

Lots of men and women have trouble meshing with gay/lesbian scene and not because of internalized homophobia but because they're treated like outsiders, suspect... this comes in a variety of forms. It's the same kind of bullshit when you're working in a field dominated by the opposite sex, which then only feels secure when they find out you're gay but then expect you to be a YAAAAAAS Kween. And you face the onslaught of microaggressions thereafter... it happens even more so, when that field is dominated by a race outside your own, or not to bash white people, but truth to be told when they're mostly white. Would you like to get into how that aspect, too, parlays into hookups, the dating scene and yeah, sometimes just the social.

In a lot of other cultures, this anti-masc is even more amplified. It's viewed as a betrayal by the straights that want to believe they should be able to identify you by gay face, by your walk, your talk, your attitude and then to the gays that play into that shit because maybe they're the ones with internalized homophobia and feel this performative jester role that makes the breeders more comfortable because it's not as complicated for them to register to view you as valid.. thus you embrace the hostile attitude and while you maybe don't view us as a threat, you worry subconsciously about the straights that grant you a narrow space to exist. . . far less confrontational to their paranoid sensibilities.

There's that nastiness in the lesbian community against fems as there is in the gay community against masc. We call it culture but it often involves trying to take those "heteronormative" gendered stereotype people down a peg... down a peg because what? you're that insecure about your own shit that you can't even imagine those on the other side face issues too.

Right, maybe not.

Not in your experience.. Not you. It's only those guys that must have done something wrong, violated some code. They have all the privilege, str8 passing privilege, while the poor little nancy boys have none.

^ every community has its social hierarchies.

Which is why so many of us abandon it as we get older... pride, the scene, whatever... just being plugged into the drama.

So, tell me, you ever have to prove you're gay?

It's not as easy as sucking cock. . especially where government gets involved.

There's so many layers to this I can't ever do it justice.

I'm just a reactionary tard on a largely troll site.

R103 We all speak from our own experience and perspective. It's wrong when I do it, but OK when you do?

If you say so, mate.

[quote]“Stunning and brave” strikes me as so disingenuous. Do these guys genuinely feel they look good or are they basically virtue signalling because transvestism is suddenly, inexplicably, the in thing? (Although I suppose that’s not without precedent; recalling Bowie and 70’s glam rock). They look like utter fools, to be honest. It won’t age well.

R96 I think Bowie was genuine. Some people have a good detector for what's sincere and genuine and some lack it. You have it. First of all, what Bowie did was certainly braver than what some of these guys are doing now, because now, anything goes and nobody is going to say they're even going against the grain. But I don't think Bowie gave a shit about being brave. He just knew what looked good, for him. No, what Chalamet and some of these others are doing won't age well, because they're just putting on costumes. And they will look stupid in a short time. It's not based on an inner motivation. Not genuine.

[quote]That is your old, outdated opinion. And just like previous old generations whining about youth culture, you will die with the knowledge that the world goes to shit, because of those damn boys wearing girly clothes now.

R97 One thing older people can do is remember how they thought a lot of things were the height of fashion and then they look back at old pictures or old catalogs and realize how awful a lot of it looked. It's called "experience" and you don't have it. So you should shut up until to get some.

[quote] - [R97] One thing older people can do is remember how they thought a lot of things were the height of fashion and then they look back at old pictures or old catalogs and realize how awful a lot of it looked. It's called "experience" and you don't have it. So you should shut up until to get some.

Bitch, please. When you were young, you dismissed the old folk and rejected their (fashion) values. And now here you are with your "get off my lawn!" attitude becoming what you despised in your youth most. You are not some sage wizard, you are grumpy old cunt telling kids to sit down and listen to you, of all people.

Sorry, you are a grumpy old cunt ...

These aren’t even girly clothes, they are just outrageous celebrity influencer costumes. Do real women dress this way? No.

Well maybe the outfit on the left.

Bump

edited but loves it

Ummm

They're all tops.

This is the present of masculinity.

I’m on the fence about this one. There are precedents for males wearing crop tops. Even men wearing makeup. However, is most of those cases it was to gender bend or make a political statement.

In most these cases it was an example of male peacocking to attract the opposite sex. I don’t that a Fulani goat herder is wearing makeup to bring down the patriarchy or for some queer nonsense.

Bump

[quote] Many of the posts in this thread are dripping with the usual right wing pearl clutching "men are getting more feminised in the West and it's a bad thing!" take. Not only is that crap...

Future of Masculiniti, Puerto Rico version: Bad Bunny

No guy can ever look hot in a woman’s dress. It only ever looks silly. No matter how much they try to force trans aesthetic on us.

r3 Janelle Monáe

R121: Lolz

We're inching closer and closer to the Hunger Games capital being fashion rather than costumes...

R11 They’re appealing to girls. Look at who girls liked guys from the 60s - 80s and the emo scene in the 2000s - girls like flamboyant men who cross dress and look feminine.

Bad Bunny: attention whore

Harry Styles, Timothee Chalamet: attention whores

They're all attention whores

I love Bad Bunny

r65 It only took me a few minutes to embrace the idea of modern men wearing pink trousers after loving seeing the lead singer from Slovenian band Joker out wearing pink trousers at Eurovision. To me it makes them colourful, interesting but not unmasculine.

How about the Finnish dude Käärijä who just won second place in Eurovision?

Rather this than the toxic masculinity of DJT and his ilk.

In truth, I am past all the style statements of this or any other generation.

I just want to be comfortable and match my eye color with my shirt once in a while.

R127: they placed 21st

Italy looks FABULOUS too

Marco came in 4th

The guys at Eurovision seem like embodiment of the kind of masculinity being discussed on this thread

r129 Very nice too! Eurovision is awash with interesting clothes choices! r130 I'm aware but I don't think the pink trousers hindered them in anyway!

r131 I like the idea of eurovision being the future!!😁😉

[quote]Now it's, "Is he gay or just liberal?" It's astonishing how easy it is to pick out a liberal man vs. a conservative man these days simply by just looking at him.

Just like we can tell you’re a right wing troll simply by reading your BS, right R8? No one has ever uttered that ridiculous phrase and conservative men aren’t known for being masculine.