And he's gay, too
That's depressing that people still think that way
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And he's gay, too
That's depressing that people still think that way
|by Anonymous||reply 235||March 28, 2023 9:24 AM|
She’s just as modest as you’d expect
|by Anonymous||reply 1||March 19, 2023 5:35 AM|
[quote]Then there was the time I was seated next to Bea on a flight to Vancouver and she told me Betty White was a cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||March 19, 2023 5:37 AM|
I used to work at a newspaper, the typos in this article are sloppy
|by Anonymous||reply 3||March 19, 2023 5:38 AM|
#17 he says Gary Cole is the most underrated actor in Hollywood, but didn't make him happen!
|by Anonymous||reply 4||March 19, 2023 5:44 AM|
He was right - don't come out. Coming out will change your voice into some effy gay voice, and the audience don't like it.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||March 19, 2023 5:49 AM|
RETIRED Hollywood casting director says "Don't come out".
[quote] Recently, we sat down with Joel Thurm, a retired casting director has worked on Hollywood films, Broadway, and classic TV for over three decades!
Joel has some great stories to share from back in the days. His opinion of "don't come out" is based on his active days in the business. He has since retired.
[quote] How has the act of casting changed since you became involved?
[quote] Joel: From what I can tell, there are far fewer in-person readings and meetings, and a lot more people are putting themselves on tape now. It's a shame because there used to be meetings with agents and managers where they would introduce a new client to us, but I don't think that happens as much now.
This shows that he doesn't like change. The rules of "don't come out" applied to his time in the business, not so much nowadays.
[quote] I do think things are changing though – do you know who Jonathan Bailey is, for instance?
[quote] Joel: No.
To quote Bea Arthur: CUNT!
|by Anonymous||reply 6||March 19, 2023 5:52 AM|
I wouldn't come out if I was an actor, I would try to keep my life private which I realize would be hard in the days of everybody filming you with their phones. I have had actors ruined for me because of dumb stuff they say, it's better to keep it as close to the vest as possible.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||March 19, 2023 5:59 AM|
I wouldn't be surprised that he's a Datalounger, as I had read this about Bette White and Bea Arthur's feud verbatim in one of the older threads years ago:
[quote] Joel: Well the thing is, Bea and Betty did not get along – well, Betty didn't have any undue hard feelings about Bea, but Bea did not like Betty for several reasons. Bea was a "real actor", so to speak. She needed to prepare and when you broke her concentration, she went out of it. Betty was not that kind of actor. I don't know what her training was, but she was a TV personality first and then she became an actor. They clashed in terms of methods, I think. And yeah, during the flight we chatted, and Bea referred to Betty as a cunt. It's important to note, however, that regardless of how Bea felt about Betty personally, it never ever, ever interfered with the show or surfaced during production.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||March 19, 2023 6:04 AM|
*Betty White ^
|by Anonymous||reply 9||March 19, 2023 6:05 AM|
Seems like a petty reason to call someone a cunt - you don’t like her “acting methods.” It’s a fucking sitcom, not Madea.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||March 19, 2023 6:13 AM|
People tried to act like Betty was so endearing at the end of her life but I wasn't crazy about her, just like I didn't care that much for Lucy. I often think comedians are bitter people who cover it with a laugh.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||March 19, 2023 6:17 AM|
I mean, he wasn't saying that no film actor should come out. He's speaking specifically about leading man types. Unfortunately, as outdated as it seems, he may still be right about that, though I think we're on the cusp of that changing.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||March 19, 2023 6:17 AM|
But he was correct about Jonathan Bailey's part in Wicked.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||March 19, 2023 6:19 AM|
I’ve always had the hots for Joaquin Phoenix. I like his personality quite a bit too
|by Anonymous||reply 14||March 19, 2023 6:20 AM|
Travolta must have followed his advice
|by Anonymous||reply 15||March 19, 2023 6:21 AM|
The problem is there are so few openly gay male actors who are conventionally masculine or are not stereotypically gay. Such men cannot convincingly play a leading man, romantic lead, most superheroes, or action star. It’s sad, but a man with stereotypically gay mannerisms and attributes is inconsistent with playing those major roles.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||March 19, 2023 6:22 AM|
the bisexuals, who r the majority of the human beings r ashamed of their same-sex desires, whenever they hear gay, they feel the shame, they will never go see any movie with a gay lead
|by Anonymous||reply 17||March 19, 2023 6:23 AM|
[quote][The cast of Grease] were all chosen because they all looked approximately the same age. Nobody stood out as being terribly older or younger.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||March 19, 2023 6:24 AM|
[quote] The problem is there are so few openly gay male actors who are conventionally masculine or are not stereotypically gay. Such men cannot convincingly play a leading man, romantic lead, most superheroes, or action star. It’s sad, but a man with stereotypically gay mannerisms and attributes is inconsistent with playing those major roles.
A stereotypical homophobic argument about stereotypical gay mannerisms. How stereotypical.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||March 19, 2023 6:28 AM|
Look at Billy Eichner and Bros. He was the leading character and had a romantic plot line. The problem for me wasn't that he was too gay acting. He was just boring.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||March 19, 2023 6:31 AM|
“Suspension of disbelief”? He means “suspension of belief”, although he doesn’t know it.
He’s not quite as clever as he thinks that he is and whoever edited that article should be fired.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||March 19, 2023 6:31 AM|
R21, I fully agree with your second statement. However...
|by Anonymous||reply 22||March 19, 2023 6:36 AM|
Yeah the thinking is normally this idea is unbelievable but this time I can accept it.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||March 19, 2023 6:38 AM|
Luke Evans came out as a gay bottom in the uk and went back in the closet when he got himself a US agent . He even posed with a beard and described what he likes in a women in Marie Claire magazine, but the internet is forever and datalounge went in a uproar with thousands of threads about it after they discovered his previous interview on his sexuality which spread throughout social media and wide that he had come out again. Tom hardy was much more luckier and his PR team smarter even though he was also way more open in the uk .
|by Anonymous||reply 24||March 19, 2023 6:38 AM|
r20, I believe the problem with Bros. was that it was pushed to be a mainstream hit when it should've been a gay themed indie feature with a much, much smaller budget. It was a bad decision to push for a theater release so close after a pandemic, but I guess it was an attempt to get "The Gays" back into the theaters, and it didn't meet the mainstream movie studio's expectations (Eichner's social media rant didn't help either).
|by Anonymous||reply 25||March 19, 2023 6:38 AM|
Did he talk to Bradley Cooper?
|by Anonymous||reply 26||March 19, 2023 6:42 AM|
R25- bros should be a sitcom at best, it was so boring, 20 million on that, wtf
|by Anonymous||reply 27||March 19, 2023 6:45 AM|
wasn't there an interview about a gay actor who was told he was too straight acting to play gay
|by Anonymous||reply 28||March 19, 2023 6:47 AM|
R22 - thanks, I stand corrected, although I still can’t get my head around suspending disbelief. My problem, though, and I’ve learned something new today.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||March 19, 2023 6:47 AM|
Was there ever a case where an actor came out for the sake of his career?
A celebrity coming it out is usually because of either mental distress or, more likely, to get ahead of being outed (like an exposé from a magazine).
|by Anonymous||reply 30||March 19, 2023 6:57 AM|
I agree that DiCaprio and Winslet had no chemistry together.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||March 19, 2023 6:57 AM|
Did NPH come out because he was about to be outed? I can't remember.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||March 19, 2023 7:04 AM|
Is he saying that Joaquin is gay? Cos we don't want him.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||March 19, 2023 7:05 AM|
OMFG the cast of Grease looked like they were in their late 30s to late 40s.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||March 19, 2023 7:15 AM|
[quote] Did NPH come out because he was about to be outed? I can't remember.
IIRC his agent claimed that he was straight and NPH came out to set the record straight, so to speak.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||March 19, 2023 7:33 AM|
R33 Yes, doofus. Every man in history is a homo. That is what he is saying.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||March 19, 2023 7:36 AM|
R35 NPH was going to be outed by that asshole Perez Hilton as I recall, and wanted to get ahead of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||March 19, 2023 7:54 AM|
I love John Travolta and especially loved him in Urban Cowboy. I don't know if he's gay or not and I don't care, he's a great actor. I think what comes through in his performances is HIM. I'm glad to know that he really is a nice man. Joachim Phoenix is like that for me also. He's just totally believable in whatever he does ( except that stupid movie he did with Casey Affleck). I think what Billy Eichner did with Bros took guts, even though the movie didn't do well.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||March 19, 2023 7:56 AM|
Besides all the cast looking middle aged in Grease. Travolta gave his gayest performance ever in that role. No girl thought for a second he was a breeder. And there asre literally hundreds of stories of Travolta being with men. Cruising for men. Being caught with men. Get with it, ya dumb frau.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||March 19, 2023 8:17 AM|
R7, if you were a straight actor who was married to a woman would you pretend your wife is just your "roommate"
|by Anonymous||reply 40||March 19, 2023 5:36 PM|
R39, all the girls at my school had a crush on Travolta in Grease. And, yes, they did assume he was a "breeder"
|by Anonymous||reply 41||March 19, 2023 5:40 PM|
R41 Those same morons prolly also wet their panties over George Michael or Liberace. Girls ain't too bright.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||March 19, 2023 5:42 PM|
R42, more likely, fans only care what the male celeb says rather than what he actually does. As long as he himself doesn't puncture the fantasy, all is good.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||March 19, 2023 5:45 PM|
Homophobes in this thread. SMH
|by Anonymous||reply 44||March 19, 2023 5:51 PM|
DL fave Beverly D’Angelo was almost cast as Rizzo??!? I would have loved to have seen that - how different would her career have been?
|by Anonymous||reply 45||March 19, 2023 5:51 PM|
I can't even watch Grease as he is so fucking gay/effeminate. I can't believe for a second this 40 year old dude is in love with 45 year old looking Olivia.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||March 19, 2023 5:52 PM|
My God how ancient is this queen that he doesn’t know who Jonathan Bailey is? Casting people are supposed to know EVERYONE.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||March 19, 2023 6:06 PM|
Joel Thurm doesn't cast anymore. He's been retired for a while.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||March 19, 2023 6:09 PM|
“ I think, for some reason, you can be a female movie star and be an out lesbian... Probably because straight men find lesbians "interesting". However, there is not one single out gay movie star. Television, yes, you have people like Matt Bomer and Neil Patrick Harris (although he grew up in front of our eyes, so he doesn't count). But name me one out gay movie star in feature films ever. There is none! I think the closest we ever got was Richard Chamberlain, but he came out after a certain point when his career was kind of over. I think it's because of the tremendous amount of money involved in feature films, and the suspension of disbelief. That disbelief totally disappears on stage, but it doesn't translate to movies. I guess I would urge, if you are a handsome leading man on track to becoming a movie star, keep it to yourself. Do not come out.”
The person dates himself terribly, movie stars don’t exist anymore. What he is saying is not incorrect, but it’s from an era that ended maybe in the early aughts with the rise of prestige cable drama, when there was still a marked delineation between movie and tv actors. This world hasn’t existed for almost twenty years. That’s why his “name one out gay movie star in feature films ever” rings hollow and cruel.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||March 19, 2023 6:15 PM|
R49, so who is the big gay male star in the current version of Hollywood?
|by Anonymous||reply 50||March 19, 2023 6:17 PM|
It’s no surprise that he’s gay and says things like this because gay men in power or these kinds of positions are very bad. Very dangerous.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||March 19, 2023 6:24 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 52||March 19, 2023 6:24 PM|
Older gay men seem to really cling to the closet.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||March 19, 2023 6:40 PM|
From his POV it’s a defense mechanism for guilt from an unfair system that he helped to perpetuate
|by Anonymous||reply 54||March 19, 2023 6:49 PM|
[quote]From his POV it’s a defense mechanism for guilt from an unfair system that he helped to perpetuate
Unfortunately, older gay men project this shit onto younger gays filling their heads with fear and despair. Hopefully this dies with boomers and older Gen X.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||March 19, 2023 6:50 PM|
[quote]wasn't there an interview about a gay actor who was told he was too straight acting to play gay
John Barrowman when he auditioned for WILL & GRACE, so they went with Eric McCormack, instead.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||March 19, 2023 6:56 PM|
That being said, I think most actors who can pass well in straight roles will continue to stay closeted until the reach a point in their careers they are comfortable with
For example Pedro Pascal appears to be coming out to now that the first season on Last of Us is complete and Hollywood is embracing him as a celebrity
Would he have gotten to this point if he had come out during Narcos? Unlikely.
On the other side of the coin, Richard Madden appeared to be coming out a few years ago and got major roles in Eternals and Citadel; however the first film was greeted with indifference and the tv shows looks to be the same. Perhaps he would have opened himself up to richer character roles if he had come out during Bodyguard instead of these generic blockbusters.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||March 19, 2023 6:57 PM|
[quote]Is he saying that Joaquin is gay? Cos we don't want him.
No. That he's the most difficult actor in Hollywood, because he doesn't like to play the game. It's been like pulling teeth with him to get him to do interviews and the talk show circuit to promote his movies. Nevertheless, the casting director said that Joaquin is a nice guy whom he's known since he was 8 years old.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||March 19, 2023 7:03 PM|
Actors didn't come out in the past because guys like this one never casted them.
Right now an actor can come out and have a good career and there are a lot of examples of that.
Can an actor come out and be a lead male on films? Probably not, but it's almost the same for straight actors. The youngest actors that can carry a film an put people in the sits are all over 40
|by Anonymous||reply 59||March 19, 2023 7:17 PM|
Muriel, can you please put an automatic ban on anyone who uses the term "casted?"
Or at least charge them triple to post.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||March 19, 2023 7:19 PM|
[quote]Actors didn't come out in the past because guys like this one never casted them.
Yep. I’m curious how many gays ruined the careers of other gays in this field. Seems gay men dominate the “casting director” field, unfortunately.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||March 19, 2023 7:21 PM|
Casting is like 90% white women.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||March 19, 2023 7:28 PM|
[quote]The problem is there are so few openly gay male actors who are conventionally masculine or are not stereotypically gay.
I never would have guessed that Ben Aldridge was gay when I first saw him in Pennyworth. We'll see what happens to his career now that's he flung the closet door wide open.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||March 19, 2023 7:30 PM|
There was another gay gatekeeper who told that Colton Haynes to stay in the closet, as well as with another actor who’s name escapes me. I think the best option is for gay actors to avoid gay gatekeepers.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||March 19, 2023 7:36 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 65||March 19, 2023 7:36 PM|
Yeah, coming out has done wonders for Colton Haynes' career.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||March 19, 2023 7:37 PM|
The point is these gay Nazi assholes telling these gay men to stay closeted.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||March 19, 2023 7:40 PM|
R66 Coming out had zero effects on Colton's career. It were other problems what halted him (and he was in Arrow as regular after coming out)
|by Anonymous||reply 68||March 19, 2023 7:47 PM|
R63 He seems to be doing fine, although he’s mostly been playing gay characters since. And now that I know he’s gay, it seems very obvious.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||March 19, 2023 8:05 PM|
Aldridge is british, coming out seems way less problematic for them. There are a good bunch of openly gay british actors who get constant work.
Generally what makes the difference is how good the actor is and how easy is to work with him. A good actor who is not a spoiled diva generally gets work (specially if he is stablished before coming out).
The problem with coming out very young is they don't get the opportunity to show they have range but that happens a lot to straight actors too when they gpt famous very soon
|by Anonymous||reply 70||March 19, 2023 8:10 PM|
[quote]He seems to be doing fine, although he’s mostly been playing gay characters since.
That sort of confirms the casting director's point.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||March 19, 2023 8:16 PM|
I understand what he is saying about leading men not coming out to protect their careers.
Some leading men or heartthrobs have done it right in my opinion and some have done it wrong and raised questions rather than silencing them.
Hugh Jackman has done it right. Got married so he has decoy and he can live his other life privately. She was attractive when they got married. No incessant photo ops or interviews. No TMI or over-the-top PDA. He trots her out quarterly and proclaims his love for her. That's it. Well done, Hugh!
Tom Selleck has also done it right. Very lowkey and private.
Leo has gone a bit overboard with the young models but his PR campaign has successfully ingrained in the public's mind that he likes young women so mission accomplished. He always has a decoy in place.
Tommy Cruise did it right with Nicole, not too over-the-top. But he went off the rails with Katie. Everything was excessive. Constant PDA, constant interviews giving too much information, couch jumping, very public wedding. It just screamed hiding something and desperate to prove he's straight.
Clooney did a half-assed job for many years with the beards on two-year rotations. His good looks worked in his favor deflecting from the lack of chemistry with the questionable beards. Then he went off the rails like Cruise. Relentless articles, interviews and photos about the marital beard. Incessant PDA, minutiae details of the "relationship", very public wedding with tacky Kardashian style People magazine spread. All this and yet zero chemistry with the beard. He definitely was trying to get in front of something by being so loud about it. Low key and private would have invited less questions and commentary about his sexuality.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||March 19, 2023 8:21 PM|
R71 True. But I got the impression that Aldridge wants to primarily play gay characters anyway, so it could just be the roles he’s going after.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||March 19, 2023 8:21 PM|
Thank you r60. It’s a travesty!
|by Anonymous||reply 74||March 19, 2023 8:25 PM|
[quote]Joel thinks that Gary Cole is the most underrated actor in Hollywood.
Certainly one of, because I think he's great. I love him.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||March 19, 2023 8:28 PM|
The two romantic male leads of Bridgerton are gay, Rege-Jean Page and Jonathan Bailey. Women eat that show up with a spoon.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||March 19, 2023 8:28 PM|
I love Gary Cole too, stunningly sharp bone structure as he ages. At least now we know Gary is straighter than an arrow I suppose.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||March 19, 2023 8:35 PM|
Gary Cole was one of the best things about Veep.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||March 19, 2023 8:50 PM|
r76 are you sure. I hear Rege dates women.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||March 19, 2023 8:51 PM|
RJP is not gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||March 19, 2023 9:00 PM|
[quote] I hear Rege dates women.
Homely looking ones, at that.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||March 19, 2023 9:04 PM|
The point is a gay actor, like heterosexual actor, has to be credible as a masculine character and persona, if Trey want Dwayne Johnson caliber A list roles. More than ever, superhero, anime , action, and dudebros roles predominate amongst the big roles. With limited exceptions, you need a certain type of actor to pull these offs. There are gay men who can, but mostly openly gay actors so far cannot.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||March 19, 2023 9:08 PM|
R72, do you think Keanu is gay and, if so, has he done a good job keeping it under wraps in your opinion?
|by Anonymous||reply 83||March 19, 2023 9:15 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 84||March 19, 2023 9:22 PM|
Now that it's progressive to demand that everyone is cast along their irl sexual orientation, I expect it becomes a real consideration again. Who wants to restrict himself that way?
|by Anonymous||reply 85||March 19, 2023 9:51 PM|
Yeah I think he should've expanded more about why closeted actors shouldn't come out. But there is a lot of experience and wisdom in that advice, and it should be respected. Even though it's not a nice truth, it's an honest fact about the industry and audiences. Look at what happened to Bros and The Real Friends of WeHo the past year, most gay guys didn't even give them a chance and denounced them the second they were promoted. People in the industry are watching these reactions, and the only thing execs care about, gay, straight, or ally, is money.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||March 19, 2023 9:51 PM|
And international audiences are even harsher
|by Anonymous||reply 87||March 19, 2023 9:54 PM|
[quote]But there is a lot of experience and wisdom in that advice, and it should be respected.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||March 19, 2023 9:56 PM|
The guy who he and his boyfriend saw, and that he approached was Eric Roberts.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||March 19, 2023 10:11 PM|
Foul-mouthed R10 can't spell 'Medea'.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||March 19, 2023 10:53 PM|
R85, except the vast majority of gay roles AND straight leading man roles still go to straight actors. So much for progressiveness
|by Anonymous||reply 91||March 19, 2023 11:09 PM|
[quote] She ended up coming in and reading, but she wasn't right for the part. Anyway, then she goes, "when you want to start?" The producers were so embarrassed, but they more or less initiated it!
|by Anonymous||reply 92||March 19, 2023 11:09 PM|
Another story about Bea Arthur calling Betty a cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||March 19, 2023 11:09 PM|
Of course gays and the SJWs think that Hollywood is the only profession in life and if Hollywood is fixed, all of society’s troubles are over. lol. Hollywood is a business. It’s not for everyone.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||March 19, 2023 11:11 PM|
[quote] I used to work at a newspaper, the typos in this article are sloppy
|by Anonymous||reply 95||March 19, 2023 11:14 PM|
[quote] My God how ancient is this queen that he doesn’t know who Jonathan Bailey is
99.9% of people have never heard of him.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||March 19, 2023 11:14 PM|
Jonathan Bailey is extremely effeminate.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||March 19, 2023 11:15 PM|
Jonathan Bailey isn’t a lead and Wicked will bomb.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||March 19, 2023 11:15 PM|
The two leads are the two witches. Everyone else is supporting.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||March 19, 2023 11:22 PM|
I can’t take anybody seriously who claims that John Travolta and Olivia Newton John had the best onscreen chemistry in the history of film. If this queen wants to talk about too gay, Grease feels like it was made by a team of gay aliens to explain to the concept of heterosexuality to the residents of their home planet.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||March 19, 2023 11:30 PM|
[quote] Grease feels like it was made by a team of gay aliens to explain to the concept of heterosexuality to the residents of their home planet.
Been on here twenty years and this is one of the most beautifully bitchy things I have read here. Will be stealing it.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||March 19, 2023 11:37 PM|
R100, and yet heterosexuals love it. My nieces love it and they weren't even born when the movie was released
|by Anonymous||reply 102||March 19, 2023 11:51 PM|
Everyone loves Grease. It's a terrifically fun movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||March 19, 2023 11:53 PM|
r11 Did you know Betty personally. How the fuck would you know if she was endearing or not?
|by Anonymous||reply 104||March 20, 2023 2:54 AM|
r100's post is one of the greatest commments ever made, in any format. Thank you.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||March 20, 2023 3:17 AM|
Ryan Gosling was cast as Ken and not Matt Boomer?
Luke Evans and Lee Pace came out, where are they now? They were doing great before that, specially Luke.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||March 20, 2023 3:38 AM|
Grease is simplistic mush.
I felt that way when the movie first came out and still feel that way now.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||March 20, 2023 3:45 AM|
I wouldn't come out. I'd do want I like discreetly and let them gossip. A fabulous actor doesn't owe anyone anything, least of all the intimate details of their private life. It's a choice now of course, but I always liked to keep my work life and private life separate. I was in a business where it didn't matter though. Advertising, so many gays in advertising. It's a fun field. It was anyway, when I was in it, I'm retired now. Got a little crazy at the end when everything went digital. Easier in so many ways, too.
I worked with gay men who blabbed all the details, and some who said nothing. One in particular, a dear friend who simply never mentioned his private life. He didn't have to tell me though, when we socialized it was with his gay friends. He died of aids in the early 1990s. Such a loss, I lost so many friends then.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||March 20, 2023 3:49 AM|
Just declaring Phylicia Rashad to be one of the "nicest" people in Hollywood has completely destroyed his credibility.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||March 20, 2023 4:18 AM|
"Luke Evans and Lee Pace came out, where are they now? They were doing great before that, specially Luke."
Didn't he get cast in stuff like The Alienist and Beauty and the Beast AFTER coming out?
|by Anonymous||reply 110||March 20, 2023 4:37 AM|
"A fabulous actor doesn't owe anyone anything, least of all the intimate details of their private life."
Merely stating your orientation is not the same thing as going on and on about the intimate details of your private life. Straight stars don't hide their spouses.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||March 20, 2023 4:37 AM|
[quote] Luke Evans and Lee Pace came out, where are they now? They were doing great before that, specially Luke.
Luke has the same career now as he had before he came out. He's been a B-lister who got lucky to be in a franchise in which he was not the star. Lee never had much of a career outside the Lord of the Rings movies, so once that franchise was over, so was he. He works when he can, has a fan base that is tied to the fans of LOTR and that's about it. You can say the same thing for Elijah Wood, and he hasn't come out. Where's his career?
|by Anonymous||reply 112||March 20, 2023 4:41 AM|
Always a shame when you hear stories about gay actors being told to stay in the closet
|by Anonymous||reply 113||March 20, 2023 6:13 AM|
Lee Pace is one of the sexiest men alive.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||March 20, 2023 6:25 AM|
When was the last time Matt Dallas actually had an acting role?
|by Anonymous||reply 115||March 20, 2023 6:26 AM|
Travolta had great chemistry with Winger in Urban Cowboy.
Bailey had great chemistry with his love interest in Bridgerton. I had no idea he was gay in real life.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||March 20, 2023 8:10 AM|
See I told people not to come out years ago and you all mocked me. Faggotts!
|by Anonymous||reply 117||March 20, 2023 8:26 AM|
[quote] When was the last time Matt Dallas actually had an acting role?
Every YouTube video when he pretends to be in a happy marriage with Blue.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||March 20, 2023 9:02 AM|
The thing is that anyone, celebrity or regular person, should only come out for his own mental health (because the pressure to keep it a secret is crushing him mentally). I find the casting director's comment rather sad to put career, money (and social status?) over your mental health. No matter how successful and rich you are, it's not going to mean much when your mental health is at its lowest (despite all the physical and mental treatment you get, making you worry it will come out that you are seeking treatment).
|by Anonymous||reply 119||March 20, 2023 9:53 AM|
Stick ur mental health up your poon.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||March 20, 2023 9:55 AM|
^ We tried sticking it up yours but it kept on falling out.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||March 20, 2023 10:19 AM|
Too clever. Fuck off with your lame psychology. "I can't come out if it affects my mental health". Good fucking queef. Oprah watching frau garbage.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||March 20, 2023 10:47 AM|
Young women these days don't care if an actor is gay, as long as he's attractive. What they find attractive is not always the same thing most gay men do, but they won't care if he's out as long as he's their fantasy type.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||March 20, 2023 12:22 PM|
[Quote] There was another gay gatekeeper who told that Colton Haynes to stay in the closet, as well as with another actor who’s name escapes me. I think the best option is for gay actors to avoid gay gatekeepers.
Wasn't that Podwall?
[Quote] Yeah, coming out has done wonders for Colton Haynes' career.
I think it's about the same. He wasn't ever going to be an a-lister doing blockbusters.
[Quote] Now that it's progressive to demand that everyone is cast along their irl sexual orientation, I expect it becomes a real consideration again. Who wants to restrict himself that way?
And actors who are gay/bi but keep their relationships private can also get backlash for lying or faking it.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||March 21, 2023 4:01 AM|
Back in the early 80s when I told a straight roommate that Travolta was gay and everyone knew it, she accused me of "wishful thinking."
That accusation is made by straight people and their quislings even to this day.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||March 21, 2023 4:20 AM|
R125 I really think it depends on the celebrity. Rabid stans who claim someone is gay or bi based on the most minuscule thing will get laughed at.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||March 21, 2023 5:27 AM|
Very interesting article actually considering it's BuzzFeed.
Real shame about his advice not to come out. I love that he seems to know nothing about Bailey getting cast in Wicked but immediately identifies he is in talks for Fiyero since the role is not really main and somewhat campy.
The really interesting part for me was that the casting couch is apparently still alive and well. That story about the actress giving blowjobs to producers was disturbing as fuck. It makes me glad that he's observing more people putting themselves on tape in lieu of in-person meetings/auditions.
It must be difficult to demand a blowjob from a pre-recorded video.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||March 21, 2023 6:26 AM|
It's one thing to not publicly state your preferences, and keep all your dating life as private as you can so you can have the career that you do, but when it comes to fabricating lies about being straight and having beards, that's more than just ' not coming out ' that is just straight up bullshit, and I hope your ass gets busted in a leaked gay sex tape.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||March 21, 2023 7:03 AM|
[Quote] The really interesting part for me was that the casting couch is apparently still alive and well.
I can't believe some people legitimately think it doesn't happen anymore.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||March 21, 2023 7:16 AM|
r129, how can it still happen when the only guy who ever did it, Harvey Weinstein, was caught and thrown in prison?
|by Anonymous||reply 130||March 21, 2023 7:41 AM|
The movie begins. You say, "Hey, that's Tom Hanks!" Or maybe, "That movie set looks impressive!"
However, somewhere along the line you stop saying these things. You think in terms of the film's world, that you really are looking at the center of the Earth, or Arakis, or Graceland. And that you care about what happens to the explorers, or Paul Atreides, or Elvis.
You entered the theater aware that it is not your real world you will be watching. YOU ARE AWARE OF YOUR DISBELIEF.
But then, then you are swept into the world on the screen, and YOU BELIEVE. You care, you empathize, you feel. How? Why? BECAUSE YOU HAVE UNCONSCIOUSLY PUT ASIDE---SUSPENDED---YOUR DISBELIEF.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||March 21, 2023 7:59 AM|
I thought the interview was fantastic. He has clearly done a lot in Hollywood and he knows his stuff. He was witty and just the right amount of vulgarity.
But of course, all the frau and wanna-be frau gays are clutching their pearls in the comments.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||March 21, 2023 8:35 AM|
R129. I guess what threw me wasn't that it still happens, Weinstein was neither the beginning nor the end of that grotesque practice.
But what's shocking is that it's SO blatant. It's disgusting enough to invite someone up to your hotel room for a drink and start jacking off.
But it's horrific that this actress was scheduled to be auditioned at the end of the day by TWO producers because they wanted to have enough time for their blowjobs. And that they then had the gall to question why she was moved to the middle of the list because it meant there wouldn't be time.
And THEN, with this guy IN THE ROOM, she just openly asks when she is supposed to start sucking them off completely unprompted. As casually as if she was asking to get them a coffee.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||March 21, 2023 8:41 AM|
the homophobic guys can not stop thinking about gay sex
|by Anonymous||reply 134||March 21, 2023 9:06 AM|
Thurm is 80, which is the age of mentality of a lot of DLers. Anyway, he admits something that a lot of DLers cannot RE: the casting couch:
"I think [the casting couch is] probably more common on a lower level with sleazier agents – I'll represent you, but you gotta blow me first. I could see that happening. Obviously with someone like Harvey Weinstein that happened at a higher level. I don't know, my thought is still that it's mostly at the lower level."
It's mostly not a thing amongst most big Hollywood stars.
Anyway, he really hates Richard O'Brien!
|by Anonymous||reply 135||March 21, 2023 9:26 AM|
r133, what I find appalling that these two producers were likely those who'd belittle and demean an openly gay producer, director, or casting agent using his power to fuck a guy in exchange for being cast (suitable for the role or not). A lot of gay men in Hollywood with some power were terrified of such a reaction from their straight peers, and discriminated against their fellow gay men as a result.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||March 21, 2023 9:44 AM|
Sorry, I meant that the gays in power feared that their straight peers would assume that the Gays would do it even if they don't do the casting couch thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||March 21, 2023 9:46 AM|
OMFG one of the Ewoks just died. Imma heartbroken.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||March 21, 2023 9:48 AM|
R42 it is unfair of you to say that girls are stupid. Young George Michael or John Travolta were not obviously gay. They had mainstream voices and mannerism. Maybe someone with a good gaydar could have had their doubts (Boy George said that he had known about George Michael the moment he laid his eyes on him) but for average person, not only a young girl, they looked like any other straight guy.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||March 21, 2023 10:02 AM|
"I think the closest we ever got was Richard Chamberlain, but he came out after a certain point when his career was kind of over."
R49 He was deeply in the closet while women were drooling over him in the time he was playing that sexy priest. Wasn't he the most desirable bachelor or something in that era.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||March 21, 2023 10:07 AM|
R139 It's not girls fault they are stupid. It is the estrogen. Girls are cursed by biology. Anyone with two eyes could see Travolta and George Michaels were super gay. They farted rainbows wherever they went.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||March 21, 2023 10:10 AM|
"It’s no surprise that he’s gay and says things like this because gay men in power or these kinds of positions are very bad. "
I just think that he is a businessman in the first place, before being gay and he knows that in the homophobic Hollywood the career of an ambitious and promising actor would be over in a heartbeat if he came out.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||March 21, 2023 10:12 AM|
R133 it's disgusting and i wouldn't last a day in Hollywood.
R135 it's obvious when you look at some of the lpsg threads about certain c-list actors.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||March 21, 2023 10:18 AM|
Is the interviewer AI?
|by Anonymous||reply 144||March 21, 2023 10:53 AM|
A gay man giving career advice isn’t the same as him wanting gay men to stay in the closet. What he said is true. Come out if you want, but, do it with the understanding it may limit some of your career potential. He is acknowledging it, not endorsing it.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||March 21, 2023 11:07 AM|
[quote]Back in the early 80s when I told a straight roommate that Travolta was gay and everyone knew it, she accused me of "wishful thinking."
I have straight women friends who still don't believe Travolta is gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||March 21, 2023 11:40 AM|
[quote] Come out if you want, but, do it with the understanding it may limit some of your career potential.
Except he didn’t say it like that. You are giving him nuance when he doesn’t deserve it. Without the nuance you are just perpetuating the worst of the homophobia.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||March 21, 2023 11:58 AM|
For example if you are of his black and white mindset you wouldn’t have actors like Hunter Doohan coming out right after Wednesday because a monster hit and getting signed by William Morris.
He really is a terrible person.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||March 21, 2023 12:00 PM|
R147 I guess I am going to have to trust the words of an extremely successful, gay, casting director over some pearl clutching woke scolder.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||March 21, 2023 12:19 PM|
R6 But name me ONE out gay movie star in feature films ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||March 21, 2023 3:45 PM|
[quote] Hugh Jackman has done it right. Got married so he has decoy and he can live his other life privately. She was attractive when they got married. No incessant photo ops or interviews. No TMI or over-the-top PDA.
Recently that's been true, but not originally. They used to talk to the press about the sex they said they had (including in his Wolverine costume).
|by Anonymous||reply 151||March 21, 2023 4:02 PM|
[quote]But name me ONE out gay movie star in feature films ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||March 21, 2023 4:44 PM|
He comes across as a vulgarian.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||March 21, 2023 4:44 PM|
Ian McKellan is not a movie star. He's never opened a film. He's been in franchises as a supporting actor.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||March 21, 2023 5:04 PM|
Also, Sir Ian is a senior citizen so no one really cares.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||March 21, 2023 5:08 PM|
[quote]He's never opened a film
Again this line of thinking is from a bygone era. Actors don't open movies anymore. Intellectual property and branding opens movies. So arguing that an openly gay actor hasn't opened a movie is a road to nowhere because an actor could not be openly gay at a time when actors could open movies, which was twenty-thirty years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||March 21, 2023 5:18 PM|
[quote] Again this line of thinking is from a bygone era. Actors don't open movies anymore. Intellectual property and branding opens movies. So arguing that an openly gay actor hasn't opened a movie is a road to nowhere because an actor could not be openly gay at a time when actors could open movies, which was twenty-thirty years ago.
Don't be dim. Ian McKellen is not a newly minted famous actor. He's been well known for over 40 years and his heyday in film happened during the time when actors did open films. He's been openly gay since 1988 and his franchise films all happened more than a decade ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||March 21, 2023 5:26 PM|
[quote]And he's gay, too
He's also 700 years old.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||March 21, 2023 5:46 PM|
Ian McKellan’s hit movies were intellectual property movies XMen and LOTR. Iam McKellan is a forerunner of what we have now where an out gay actor can be part of an ensemble of a big IP film (ie Bailey in Wicked.)
|by Anonymous||reply 159||March 21, 2023 5:48 PM|
When you say “an actor can open a film” this is basically like 90s/00s thinking where you have someone say “Let’s put Meg Ryan and Russell Crowe in a movie together”. That world does not exist anymore. ACTOR A + ACTOR B movies are only getting made at the streaming level ie Chris Evans and Scarlett Johansson’s entire career now is basically financed by Apple.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||March 21, 2023 5:53 PM|
[quote] I find the casting director's comment rather sad to put career, money (and social status?) over your mental health. No matter how successful and rich you are, it's not going to mean much when your mental health is at its lowest (despite all the physical and mental treatment you get, making you worry it will come out that you are seeking treatment).
Then the simple answer is don't go into the movie business. People expect certain worlds to bend and meet then where they are instead of realizing that maybe they are just not made to be in that world. I am sure denying your sexuality is on a long list of things most movie stars have to compartmentalize when it comes to getting where they want. Some of them would go crazy IF they didn't become a star - denying family, denying sexuality, denying your true slutty character, you extreme religious, political beliefs, denying your abusive past.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||March 21, 2023 6:02 PM|
[quote] When you say “an actor can open a film” this is basically like 90s/00s thinking where you have someone say “Let’s put Meg Ryan and Russell Crowe in a movie together”. That world does not exist anymore. ACTOR A + ACTOR B movies are only getting made at the streaming level ie Chris Evans and Scarlett Johansson’s entire career now is basically financed by Apple.
Again, who cares? This particular conversation was not about what is going on right now, so why are you insisting on trying to fit it into your narrative. The question was asked- name me one out movie star in films *ever.* And someone mentioned Ian McKellen. Ian is a film actor who happened to play a couple of supporting roles in some very big franchise film series. That does not make him a movie star. That makes him a working actor. And those movies ALL came out prior to the rise of streamers and collapse of the box office. McKellen has never had the clout to either open a movie or get a movie financed on the strength of his name. That is what a movie star is.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||March 21, 2023 6:12 PM|
"But of course, all the frau and wanna-be frau gays are clutching their pearls in the comments."
You're clutching your pearls over people criticizing this guy. Who cares, people are allowed to criticize other people. Maybe you're closeted so you can relate to a guy telling people to stay in the closet
|by Anonymous||reply 163||March 21, 2023 6:56 PM|
"I guess I am going to have to trust the words of an extremely successful, gay, casting director over some pearl clutching woke scolder."
A guy who hasn't worked in years. Using woke as a pejorative gives you away as a Fox News viewer.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||March 21, 2023 6:58 PM|
At the moment I think Luke Macfarlane has probably had the most success as an openly gay leading man, and most of that was on the Hallmark Channel. Aldridge and Bailey might outdo him in a few years. As much as Neil Patrick Harris would like to believe he can open a project as a leading man, he can't. Matt Bomer might have been able to, but he dropped about 95% of his masculine behaviors when he officially came out and instead became very soft spoken and delicate-seeming, which works for neither romantic leads nor action roles.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||March 21, 2023 9:36 PM|
I fail to see how Bomer is more "delicate seeming" than Tim o' Tay or Bradley Cooper or whoever
|by Anonymous||reply 166||March 21, 2023 9:48 PM|
[quote] I fail to see how Bomer is more "delicate seeming" than Tim o' Tay or Bradley Cooper or whoever
Is your vision like 20/200?
|by Anonymous||reply 167||March 21, 2023 9:50 PM|
He could play a Disney princess at this point
|by Anonymous||reply 168||March 21, 2023 9:54 PM|
R165 Aldridge has started to act more feminine too. He’ll probably go in the same direction as Bomer.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||March 21, 2023 9:54 PM|
Come on R167, Tim o'Tay seems manly to you?
|by Anonymous||reply 170||March 21, 2023 9:55 PM|
This casting director is a million years old, and he reads like it.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||March 21, 2023 9:55 PM|
In an age of “only gay actors should play gay,” they’ve been also relegated to only gay roles
|by Anonymous||reply 172||March 21, 2023 10:00 PM|
R152 Ian was never a mainstream movie star. Movie stars have universal appeal - think Margot Robbie or Chris Hemsworth. They are idolized which means that straight men and lesbians want to be like them and gays and straight women want to be with them…..
|by Anonymous||reply 173||March 21, 2023 10:05 PM|
R167, no, but yours probably is
|by Anonymous||reply 174||March 21, 2023 10:05 PM|
R172, except straight actors still play most gay roles. Try again
|by Anonymous||reply 175||March 21, 2023 10:06 PM|
R173, Margot Robbie is box office poison and Hemsworth cannot open a movie outside of the Thor franchise
|by Anonymous||reply 176||March 21, 2023 10:07 PM|
[quote] They are idolized which means that straight men and lesbians want to be like them and gays and straight women want to be with them…..
R173, you sound like you're from circa 1978-1995. None of these cliches about stars are true anymore, because stars as we knew them don't exist. This is no longer a movie culture. People barely go to the movies anymore, as in go to a theatre.
Being gay and coming out is a dead issue.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||March 21, 2023 10:20 PM|
There is a movie culture, Avatar made like $700 million in the US alone
|by Anonymous||reply 178||March 21, 2023 10:25 PM|
Avatar does not a movie culture make, R178.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||March 21, 2023 10:38 PM|
[Quote] [R172], except straight actors still play most gay roles. Try again
But openly gay actors only get to play gay roles
|by Anonymous||reply 180||March 21, 2023 10:47 PM|
r180, that isn't true at all. On Lifetime and Hallmark openly gay actors play straight characters usually falling in love with the female lead. As is already mentioned Jonathan Bailey on Netflix's Bridgerton.
What may have been true in the past isn't true these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||March 21, 2023 10:51 PM|
Avatar was a hit because movie culture is all IP now. The highest domestic grossing film not based on existing intellectual property or brand (I’m counting Elvis as a brand) last year was #14 “Nope” which did not have any big stars. The next highest grossing was #16 Smile. #17 and #18 The Lost City and Bullet Train are the highest grossing non-IP films sold solely on star power. Ergo, movie stardom is dead.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||March 21, 2023 10:56 PM|
R180, that's the way it's always been. Try to keep up
|by Anonymous||reply 183||March 21, 2023 10:57 PM|
You watch Lifetime and Hallmark movies, R181?
|by Anonymous||reply 184||March 21, 2023 10:58 PM|
Matt Bomer was always soft-spoken and delicate seeming.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||March 21, 2023 10:58 PM|
[quote] You watch Lifetime and Hallmark movies, [R181]?
Is that your way of saying: My statement at r180 was completely wrong?
|by Anonymous||reply 186||March 21, 2023 11:00 PM|
No, I'm asking if you watch Lifetime and Hallmark movies, R186. Quite apart from the subject at hand.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||March 21, 2023 11:02 PM|
Jonathan Bailey and Ben Aldridge basically only play gay characters anyway, aside from Bailey’s Bridgerton role, R165. They’re no different than Bomer.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||March 21, 2023 11:04 PM|
Bailey has mostly played straight characters, actually
|by Anonymous||reply 189||March 21, 2023 11:04 PM|
[quote] Quite apart from the subject at hand.
It is indeed. And yes, I do watch the occasional Lifetime or Hallmark movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||March 21, 2023 11:05 PM|
I would love it if Jonny Bailey would play the gay character who fucks me in the mouth until the white stuff flows out of each of us.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||March 21, 2023 11:05 PM|
Aren't lots of leading men "soft spoken"......Johnny Depp and Leonardo DiCaprio don't exactly have loud, booming voices. Neither does Tom Cruise but that didn't stop Top Gun from making a billion dollars or whatever
|by Anonymous||reply 192||March 21, 2023 11:07 PM|
R189 Well, Aldridge at least has basically only played gay characters since coming out. And Jonny’s going to be in that movie with Bomer, which will probably push him more toward gay roles anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||March 21, 2023 11:11 PM|
Bailey is playing straight in Wicked
|by Anonymous||reply 194||March 21, 2023 11:17 PM|
This guy's on to something.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||March 21, 2023 11:21 PM|
Apart from some of the names mentioned, this thread feels like DL circa 1994.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||March 21, 2023 11:21 PM|
Does Fiyero really count as straight?
|by Anonymous||reply 197||March 21, 2023 11:21 PM|
Hold me Matt. I'm scared.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||March 23, 2023 7:32 AM|
Which Ben are you R198? There's more than one openly gay Ben in Hollywood and I'm guessing a LOT more who are transparently closeted.
Same question about Matt really.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||March 23, 2023 9:41 AM|
r199, I am dumb as fuck and I even I know this is about the (b)romance between Ben Affleck and Matt Damon.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||March 23, 2023 9:47 AM|
Lucien Laviscount was forced back into the closet. Everybody knows he's gay, but he's being coy to protect his career.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||March 23, 2023 9:59 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 202||March 23, 2023 10:30 PM|
They're gonna need a bulldozer to stuff HIM back in the closet!
|by Anonymous||reply 203||March 24, 2023 12:46 AM|
R201 bang up job he's doing 🤣
|by Anonymous||reply 204||March 24, 2023 1:11 PM|
[quote]Hemsworth cannot open a movie outside of the Thor franchise
Think about it, is there ANY actor who can open a movie anymore? Franchises get people in seats, not actors.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||March 24, 2023 6:45 PM|
I don't agree with him about the coming out for leading men. But what I will say, is that I think with many actors we learn too much about them and it bleeds into the roles they play. I don't want to know what their homes look like, or how often they go to the gym, or anything else that seems too personal. There are basic things, like with Denzel Washington for example, what I know about him is that he has a huge house, his wife is a concert pianist, he has four kids two or three of them in "the business. These are things I have picked up over the years. We know TOm Hanks has four kids and at least two of them are in the business. On the other hand, Will Smith, overshares. Totally. A lot of actors are successful in carving out a "zone of privacy" and aren't publicity whores. But there is freedom in not hiding your sexuality. And if you are a private person, you're fine being out.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||March 24, 2023 7:10 PM|
R201, Lucien is a beautiful young man. Those guns 💪
A shame about his outfit.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||March 24, 2023 8:57 PM|
the current public mindset is only gay actors can play gay roles.
and that's progressive.
of course, anyone over 40 recalls when it was homophobic
|by Anonymous||reply 208||March 24, 2023 9:06 PM|
Jonathan Bailey is really going to shake things up if he's cast as the next James Bond.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||March 24, 2023 9:26 PM|
Where's the lie? Direct your anger at homophobic men. Most straight men won't support a film with an openly gay lead because they fear it will make them look 'gay'. The same way most of them do not support female driven casts or women as leads unless it's Kate Beckinsdale in a painted-on suit. Gays and women are 'less than' in their minds and support of either is 'gay'. Hell, there is barely even a market for middlebrow fare with straight male leads - again, too 'gay'. It's all comic book crap, violence and the like because that's what straight men go see. If you want to make that $$$, stay in the closet.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||March 24, 2023 9:44 PM|
R208, No, it is not "progressive" at all. It is instead destructive of the entire concept of ACTING.
"Progressive" gays had best be careful of what they wish for, lest once out and, according to r206, "free," the backlash will be that they cannot therefore play straight characters.
And that is indeed why the Celluloid Closet.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||March 26, 2023 2:53 AM|
[quote] Where's the lie? Direct your anger at homophobic men.
Nobody claims that it's a lie. Some believe that a gay man should show more support to his fellow gay men than support the homophobic bias still controlling his thoughts after he has retired from his profession. Times have changed a little since he left the business, and he refuses to acknowledge that, which makes his view outdated in the eyes of some DLers.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||March 26, 2023 3:19 AM|
Most gays cannot act.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||March 26, 2023 3:32 AM|
Well gays believe only gays should play gay roles, so. Gay roles are usually the best friend type shit, not the lead.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||March 26, 2023 3:33 AM|
Well based on the names and films cited in the interview, it's safe to say as good as an agent he was in 70s and 80s, but he has not worked closely in Hollywood for the last 20 years.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||March 26, 2023 3:40 AM|
Two of the male romantic leads in Emily in Paris are gay, Paul Forman and Lucien Laviscount. No idea if Lucas Bravo is gay or bi.
It's no longer the case that a gay man can't be cast as a straight romantic love interest.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||March 26, 2023 3:46 AM|
Does the casting couch have a loyalty card?
|by Anonymous||reply 217||March 26, 2023 3:58 AM|
r216 I wasn't aware that Paul Forman and Lucien Laviscount are out.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||March 26, 2023 4:00 AM|
R218, Not out publicly, but everyone knows that they're gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||March 26, 2023 4:09 AM|
R217 why? Do you know where i could get one?
|by Anonymous||reply 220||March 26, 2023 5:18 AM|
[quote] - [R218], Not out publicly, but everyone knows that they're gay.
So, for the sake of their career, they are in the closet?
|by Anonymous||reply 221||March 26, 2023 7:43 AM|
Hunny, Gay men have been cast as straight characters ever since movies were invented. Convincingly. And saying only Gays should play Gays is silly. That really ends up marginalizing an actor when it's hard enough to get work. It's dumb.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||March 26, 2023 3:39 PM|
It's not hard for straight men to get work since they get all the straight roles and most of the gay roles, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||March 26, 2023 3:45 PM|
R219, We've been here before, ad nauseam. "Knowing" and a declaration are not the same. You are being disingenuous, not a pretty look.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||March 26, 2023 6:30 PM|
The blind items with Zac E., Corey H. etc. (with numbers as high as 300 guys coming over to have their way with them at "parties") make me believe that many of these "gay powerbrokers" use the closet to keep themselves out of the tabloids, courtrooms & prison. I wonder if this guy is one of those types.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||March 26, 2023 7:58 PM|
R225 300?? 😳
|by Anonymous||reply 226||March 27, 2023 3:47 AM|
R226 I wish I were in that position.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||March 27, 2023 3:22 PM|
[quote]It's no longer the case that a gay man can't be cast as a straight romantic love interest.
True, but I don't think that was the point this casting director was ultimately trying to make. I think he was just saying that the reality of the business -- even in 2023 -- is that you can't come out if being an A-list movie star is your ultimate goal. After all, how many out-and-proud A-listers are there? As of this writing, I would say approximately zero.
When posters cite actors like NPH, Ian McKellen, Luke Macfarlane, Matt Bomer, etc., all of these guys are very successful, openly-gay working actors but they are not A-list movie stars. There's a very distinct difference. Thankfully, yes, things have improved to the point that you can definitely be out and gay in Hollywood, work consistently, be cast as the straight male lead in certain projects (and not just Hallmark movies), and even win major acting awards like the Emmy and the Tony (as in the cases of Billy Porter and NPH, respectively) but being an A-list film star is a totally different stratosphere altogether. In my opinion there are two types of A-list film stars, the box-office powerhouse (Tom Cruise, Will Smith, Keanu) and the serious award magnets who are first choice for all the top directors in Hollywood (Leo DiCaprio, Tom Hanks, Denzel, Brad Pitt). No disrespect intended but Macfarlane, NPH, Porter and Bomer are not in either of these categories. (McKellen is definitely a respected actor but not sure he's on the short list of most top A-list directors.) Again, there is a very distinct difference between being a successful working actor and being an A-list film star, which is why A-list film stars -- and those who want to become A-list -- do not come out of the closet. They stay in because they know it's the only way to safeguard their status in the business (hello, Bradley Cooper).
So again, I really think that is the point this casting director was making, not trying to stop actors who want to come out from doing so. If you want to come out and be open and honest about who you are, that is no doubt a wonderful and admirable thing but doing so and expecting to have a career like DiCaprio or Hanks just may not be realistic, at least not yet. Hopefully, one day it will be.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||March 28, 2023 6:13 AM|
r228. The issue with that is that DUH FUCKING DUH! Telling like it is now doesn't require some retired insider. Dude wasn't involved in casting for something big for decades. The public is well aware that there is no openly gay A-list superstar leading a blockbuster franchise. You mean to tell me that in Hollywood, you still need to have a straight image in order to have a chance at becoming A-List? Whaaaaaaaat? Seriously? *put on my shocked face*
It's him dismissing any sign of things changing (Jonathan Bailey, for example) for the better in Hollywood that makes him a cunt.
Is it really too much to ask for some Gays to stop tearing other fellow Gays down and no longer let bias from the past live rent-free in their heads?
|by Anonymous||reply 229||March 28, 2023 6:31 AM|
R228. Thanks for that. I definitely think that's what he meant.
We can all agree to disagree on whether that stuff is TRUE or not, and to what extent, but I think the important thing here is that this comment about "coming out" isn't coming from a malicious place per se. Just what this guy sees as a realistic one.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||March 28, 2023 8:00 AM|
Well, r228, since Ian McKellen is 83,.....
|by Anonymous||reply 231||March 28, 2023 8:02 AM|
[quote] We can all agree to disagree on whether that stuff is TRUE or not, and to what extent, [bold] but I think the important thing here is that this comment about "coming out" isn't coming from a malicious place per se. [bold]
[quote] I do think things are changing though – do you know who Jonathan Bailey is, for instance?
[quote] Joel: No.
Tell me you're headless without telling me you're headless.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||March 28, 2023 9:07 AM|
Ups. Sorry for the formatting issue.
[quote] We can all agree to disagree on whether that stuff is TRUE or not, and to what extent,[bold] but I think the important thing here is that this comment about "coming out" isn't coming from a malicious place per se. [/bold]
[quote] I do think things are changing though – do you know who Jonathan Bailey is, for instance?
[quote] Joel: No.
Tell me you're headless without telling me you're headless.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||March 28, 2023 9:09 AM|
R233. I fail to see your point?
Are you confusing ignorance for malice?
|by Anonymous||reply 234||March 28, 2023 9:13 AM|
so, your argument is that he's an ignorant fuck who should be ignored? I agree with that. If he genuinely doesn't know who Jonathan Bailey is, then his comment on current Hollywood business is of no value and only a sad attempt to drum up some controversy for this sorry excuse of an interview. "Oh, Bea told him Betty is a cunt? Wow! What a confirmation of Golden Girls gossip! Bea didn't like Betty's approach to acting? This is brand new information we've never heard or read before!".
[quote] but I think the important thing here is that this comment about "coming out" isn't coming from a malicious place per se.
His "get off my lawn", stuck in the past cunt attitude makes him look bitter and unpleasant.
Your attempt at making him look sort of innocent, just making an innocent comment about coming out, makes you look foolish and disingenuous.
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