Does Winona Ryder still have a reputation for being intelligent and thoughtful?

CORRECTION: I don't think she's as crazy as people claim.

She looks like an unhinged cunt

I mean, you don't actually know her as a person, so how can you say whether she's dim or sharp, crazy or nice, or some combination of all four?

r3 Based on what I've watched/read in interviews. People do have opinions on celebrities.

I remember when the moody bookworm turned junkie shoplifter.

She seems very intelligent and weird, which is a good combo.

R4 I'm sure they do. It's misguided and pathetic, when you stop to think about it.

We don't know these people at all. We've never met them. We have no right to judge their personality or life, or impose our values on them.

She seems introverted and mentally troubled, which isn't a bad thing. I think her fame on top of the pills from Dr. Feelgood made her go totally nuts for a few years, but she seems fine now.

No you don't R5, because she was always a shoplifter. You remember when she got caught!

I always assumed she was leaning hard into her intellectual side because of the big tits.

She seems to have dropped that persona once she got older and then adopted it again after her buy none, get all free escapades.

FYI…. Op is the Kate Jackson troll

Sanpaku eyes

I mean she was raised by artsy hippies. Her having big tits doesn’t really preclude intellectualism….

Here's the Noni Ryder blind item megalist (not from CDaN, from Cosmo and this was from years ago).

Go to post 578 and you'll learn a lot about Noni Ryder. I don't know if this contains all of them but you'll get enough to get a feel for what she's actually like. It's not the kind of crazy that's a phase or situational, this is full-on personality disorder and that shit never actually goes away. Enjoy!

I can think of few public figures who have paid a bigger price than she has for a quarter-century old transgression.

Robert Downey Jr. broke into a stranger’s home and hid in a bedroom while strung out. No one cares anymore (not after making billions for Marvel).

It’s unfortunate she hasn’t received the same level of opportunity and forgiveness.

R14 578 just says "Come back Winona!".

Do you mean reply 1 with all the blind items?

But it wasn't just about her stealing, R15, it was about her being a fucking asshole that people didn't want to work with anyway.

People LIKED RDJ, they always liked him. He also always showed up for work although not always in the greatest shape. They still liked him and he was pleasant and funny and a nice person most of the time. Winona was deeply unpleasant and routinely bullied people at work. She didn't have the goodwill RDJ had amassed.

I've always liked her work and I don't care if she steals shit from Saks. I hate her other behavior and I have a zero tolerance policy for personality disorders. Zero.

I could have forgiven her a lot if she had even one drop of talent.

She doesn't.

I guess so, R16, thanks.

I must have read the numbers incorrectly somehow.

Loss Prevention watches her a lot more carefully whenever she goes into a store

Those blind items feel bizarrely false and planted. Didn’t they all come out at once when she got arrested? The Girl, Interrupted one doesn’t make sense, she and Brittany Murphy became best friends immediately after filming ended, it’s more likely Angelina was the one who made that scene (if it happened, which I seriously doubt…)

She wasn't very articulate back in the 90s, took forever to get to the point. Here she is with Depp talking about HIV.

R17 You do know a personality disorder is a mental illness that people can’t turn on/off like a switch?

R11 Ok, why would we care?

Yes, R23, I am aware that these dangerous and untrustworthy fucking psychos are unable to control their mental illnesses. That's one of the reasons why it makes such good sense to never have a fucking thing to do with them.

A zero tolerance policy is just that - zero tolerance. I won't have them around me. They're not welcome in my house. If I'm at someone else's house and an NPD or BPD shows up, I make my excuses and get out of there as soon as possible. Others can hang around with them all they want. I don't want to hear their lying bullshit, I don't want to listen to their poor-me whining or grandiose fantasy life. They lie as easily as breathing and they are not to be trusted.

Other people can put up with their insanity if they want to, I won't do it. End of.

R25 When you say BPD, are you referring to bipolar or borderline?

What's your opinion on avoidant personality disorder?

R25 HAS STATED HER BOUNDARIES.

Stealing is one of the things sociopaths do. When I heard that story I just fig she’s a sociopath. R13 Jayne Mansfield had a high IQ.

BPD = Borderline Personality Disorder to me but it can be used for Bipolar Disorders and I don't much want them around me either, although at least they respond well to medication.

Avoidant PD's are a pain in the fucking ass. I avoid them too but I don't know any or at least I'm not aware that I know any. I don't want to deal with any of it. I've dealt with it in the past more than once and I haven't got the time, the patience or the interest to ever deal with these psychos again. I'm not required to deal with people's mentally ill shit and I simply won't do it.

You bet your fucking ass I have stated my boundaries. I'm getting rid of the psychos NOW so I won't have to deal with all their craziness and get rid of them THEN.

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Amazing

Her 90’s filmography is iconic, and she deserved her Oscar nominations. But the bitch is barely lucid and it’s no coincidence she doesn’t do press events anymore.

I enjoy her in movies but hasn’t she been a drug addict for awhile?

Yes she has been a drug addict for a while, R32. She was definitely using when she was with Johnny Depp. She started dating him when she was 17 (officially not until she turned 18) and that was in 1989.

More than 30 years of drug abuse is a long time.

It doesn’t help matters when your godfather is Timothy Leary!

R33 So they were a co-dependent druggie couple? It's easy to overlook that when the couple is attractive. What kind of drugs did they do together? Is he the one who introduced her to drugs?

Not likable.

I never considered her thoughtful or intelligent although I like her

What's the deal with the weird faces she makes? Even in court for shoplifting, she was chewing scenery with her body language and facial expressions.

Uma Thurman’s godfather is Timothy Leary.

Well, I suppose one person can have more than one godchild, because he was Winona Ryder’s godfather as well.

R40 So, is she kind of a nepo baby too?

She has a reputation as a thieving cunt.

I always liked that the book of 'Girl, Interrupted' meant so much to her and she was passionate about making it into a film. The movie isn't very good, but the book was excellent and I think it speaks well of her that she recognized the quality of the source material and would even read her favorite passages while promoting the film on talk shows.

That story about Paltrow stealing the script for "Shakespeare in Love" out of Winona's apartment is silly. If the producers wanted Winona, they would have found a way to contact her.

When did she ever present as intelligent & thoughtful??

R45 Back when she was with Depp, the media painted them as a beat-poet couple who loved classic literature.

Just because the media says so, doesn't mean everyone buys into the bucket of bullshit.

R47 Well, what's your opinion of her alone, and with Depp as a couple?

With dep as a couple weren’t they drug addicts?

Only a true cunt would hold that shoplifting charge against her. I've always enjoyed her work.

I do like her but not because of her “intelligence”

Pictures of Depp speak for themselves.

They are both creations of their PR machines. Fantastic Plastic. Their drug use & abuse busted them out of those crafted images at times & we got & get to see who they really are. Not pretty, but oh so laughable. Much comic value in those two, as individuals and as a couple.

R52 So they weren't seen as a classy couple? How much of their image/images was a PR creation?

She's a bookworm, but I don't think she ever went to college.

Thee was a fascinating Winona thread on DL a few years ago that basically said Winona has been through hell and back (most of which the public doesn't even know about), and tptb in Hollywood see to it that Noni and her fragile, eternally delicate psyche is treated with kid gloves at all times.

I thought she was perfectly cast as the washed up prima ballerina in Black Swan.

Celebrities reading books is an old trope for reporters and publicists alike. The vast majority are box-of-hair dumb, the few who aren't don't advertise it.

I never thought she was either of those things .

R55 To hell and back? What happened to her?