Klangerine May Be Indicted Yet -- NYC Security Preps Underway for Possible Trump Indictment as Soon as Next Week

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Our esteemed Mayor Eric Adams is praying for peace right now!

Will this mean he can't run against Satan? What cruel irony that would be.

Dayum, r1. I'm just giving the news I didn't -- oh, you meant him. Whew.

Lock him up.

Can someone explain to me what’s the worst that can happen to him? I’d like to see him beheaded for treason but I guess we don’t do that anymore.

I hope there are crowds of people chanting ‘Lock Him Up’ all over Manhattan.

I hope he doesn’t make it to court.

I hope he gets it with a $100 Million bail and he relinquishes his passports, and files all of his flight plans with the FBI.

Who do they think will riot? Seniors in Florida in a golf cart frenzy? No one will be upset in person. Maybe a few demonstrators but honestly, no one cares about Trump to that degree of risking jail.

Were you born after January 6, 2021?

Drain the swamp. The swamp being Mar-a-Lago

[QUOTE] Lock him up.

Yeah, in October 2024 after he wins the Repub nomination.

Trump's gonna be pissed when they'll tell him that nope, you can't do a perp walk aboard a golf cart.

Won’t he be in Florida?

That won't make a difference. If the charges are serious enough, they can extradite him. Or he can waive extradition.

Won’t he ultimately be indicted in three jurisdictions? (NY state, GA state, District of Columbia). Why would anyone still support him?

Because they're in a cult.

The image of him sweating in handcuffs will be so joyous.

Who will get the rights to use “Pointer Sisters - I’m so Excited” for the trial previews?

Get the t-shirt.

[quote] Will this mean he can't run against Satan? What cruel irony that would be.

No. He can — and vowed that he would — still run for office even if indicted. There is no disqualification for indicted felons in the Constitution, which contains the only limitations on who may run for that office (over 35 and a citizen). So, yes, he could be indicted in New Yor, Atlanta, and DC and still be eligible to run.

Plus, his diehard supporters believe that he is being persecuted by the Democrats and the so-called “Deep State.” I hope that he continues on in this insane quest, because if he somehow manages to defeat DeathSatan (how humiliating would that be for Rhonda) and gets the nomination there is no way that he would win in a general election. That nonsense about being persecuted plays well with his base of deplorables, but not with independents.

He said through his lawyers that if indicted he will appear in NYC without the need for extradition.

I picture an Evita moment, "I committed crimes for YOU. America".

Don't cry for me, Mar-a-Lago...

When I see indictments, I'll start paying attention. But I do take solace in knowing the stress of the situation can't be helping his physical health.

NYC hates him. They will need to contain the dancing in the streets.

I'll believe it when I see it. He's gotten away with all of the other things he's done. He's just a nightmare.

It ain't gonna happen

Not a shot in hell . He’s Teflon Don

I'm skeptical too, but for the Security Forces from the NYPD, New York State Court Officers, the U.S. Secret Service, the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force, and the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office to publicly put out a statement seems likes it's predetermined. Why would they have bothered if not? No one would know the difference.

I want to hear that voice just get cut off mid sentence and he tumbles.

I want to see his ass-licking cronies screaming with horror as their orange Jebus gets packed off to the rock-hockey hut.

He will betray every single one of them.

Bannon. Stone. Miller. His cadre of media buddies. His fucking kids. The whole cabal.

We'd not just be getting Trump - we'd be getting the whole crew.

Put him in da tombs.

Gitmo, baby!

What Donald can expect.

R34

[quote] There is no disqualification for indicted felons in the Constitution, which contains the only limitations on who may run for that office (over 35 and a citizen).

This is amazing. Whatever could the founding fathers have been thinking? It's time to amend the constitution.

Photos of Rachel Levine and Sam Brinton in 5, 4, 3…

r36, but there can be limitations on who runs in primaries. The states control the primaries.

Peculiar: In the US felons can’t vote, but they can run for President!

The Girl Next Door

If he’s indicted for destruction of classified docs, he will be disqualified from running for POTUS. Or convicted.

It would be so very satisfying to see him wheeled into court wearing a Hannibal Lector mask.

[quote] If he’s indicted for destruction of classified docs, he will be disqualified from running for POTUS. Or convicted

That’s not a settled question. It’s not clear if the applicable statute could be used to bar him from office because it is a restriction not mentioned in the Constitution.

This opinion writer believes that the only way he can be barred is under the 14th Amendment if Congress votes to exclude him for inciting the insurrection. Highly doubtful that the Rethugs would ever go along with that.

I think he’s dwindling down to nothing. He can’t survive three indictments and be elected President. It’s pathetic that Republicans are afraid to cut him loose.

Lol he’s gonna shit himself.

A Sharter and a Stripper in the White House - again!. What has the country come to!

[quote]Seniors in Florida in a golf cart frenzy?

If the golf carts and scooters catch fire like the yacht did in that pro-Trump yacht demonstration, I'm all for it.

This is all performative. He will never spend a minute in jail.

Tuesday will probably be the day per the dump himself.

It’s funny he thinks people will riot. I expect a very large group of people to show up and cheer when he’s arrested.

He's not going to stop until he destroys this country.

Tell me something, legal eagles - suppose he gets arrested on Tuesday, then what? What's the legal procedure?

Will he be at liberty after the arrest or does he get put behind bars? Does he get released to await trial? How long does he get sentenced for, or will it be simply a fine? Will he still be free to tweet and post to incite and foment trouble?

Someone please walk us through what to expect legally.

There are no laws, no precedent of an indicted President or former President. This is very new that nothing in this country's history....has ever happened. I hope, at some time (probably not for a long time) after this, that new laws and a Constitutional amendment is created for situations like this. It will be a wild west.

There will be riots no question

....nothing *like this..^

R52 I'm just asking in general, the legal process for anyone, not for a former president or Trump, what happens after an arrest?

r56,

Short version:

You're accused of a crime (either by indictment or an accusatory instrument filed by a District Attorney or the like); you're arrested for said crime and booked (fingerprints, mugshot, etc.). You're then brought before a judge to be arraigned on that charge where you plead either guilty or not guilty (virtually nobody pleads guilty at arraignment). A judge will then set bail, if applicable, and you're either released without bail, you pay the bail, or you're held until you can make bail. You're also given a preliminary trial date, even though that date isn't usually even close to when the trial will start.

In this case, dump will be booked, go before a judge and probably released without bail. So, yes, he will be accessible to foment shit.

He's already agitating for Jan 6th-like protests on Tuesday.

I hope he resists arrest or pulls a gun or flees. That will ensure he goes to jail, at least for a night.

What does he think is going to happen in New York? People will jump for joy when he is finally indicted.

Yeah, there is absolutely no way he is going to be detained in jail prior to trial. Theoretically, he’s not a flight risk because he is always under watch by the Secret Service. That said, the SS is filled with MAGAts. Are the members of his detail willing to go to jail if he “slips away.” 🤷‍♂️

This is — or rather, should be — extremely humiliating for him. Impeached twice and the first to be charged criminally. Except that he has no capacity for shame. And his malignant narcissism allows him to delude himself into believing that the problems are with his opponents.

[quote] There are no laws, no precedent of an indicted President or former President. This is very new that nothing in this country's history....has ever happened.

This sounds like a regurgitation of something you heard on MSNBC.

He seems delusional and believes criminal charges will get him elected.

There is no precedent because all criminals are supposed to be treated equally.

My fever dream: NY issues an indictment and Trump says that he will surrender BUT DOESN'T.

He flies off to Wako and is intercepted by AF fighter jets.

The pilot is ordered to divert to Andrews AF base.

Trump tells the pilot to return to Florida.

The pilot is informed that he has just lost his pilot's license.

The head of the SS get on the horn and orders the SS Agents to handcuff Trump, take him into custody, and divert to Andrews.

Trump's special SS Agents refuse. AG Garland gets on the horn and tells them the SS Agents have just been fired, will be taken into custody with Trump, and it doesn't matter where the plane lands as the military will be waiting for them at both locations.

Trump orders the plane to fly to the nearest non-extradition location.

Once over the Atlantic, the plane is shot down. No survivors.

Has trump offered to pay the legal fees of any supporter who is arrested like he did on J6?

Do the Secret Service have to be in the jail cell with him? Awkward.

First order of business after the arrest is to shave his head. I do feel sorry for the corrections officer that'll have to delouse him and check in his fat folds. Imagine the shit smell and the yeast balls!

[quote] So, yes, he will be accessible to foment shit.

Thank you r57. If a person charged with a crime is released, with or without bail, but the likelihood is that he will commit the crime again, what would a judge do under those circumstances?

Take a serial killer for example. He is indicted but he says publicly he will kill again, what options does the judge have? (Hope the analogy is not too off!)

R68 a serial killer could be held.

Explain in plain English, in brief?

New York has mostly gotten rid of cash bail and most people accused of crimes do not go to jail while awaiting trial anymore. So sadly mango Mussolini is unlikely to spend time at Rikers.

However, If the judge believes a person accused of a felony is likely to commit a serious violent crime in the near future the defendant can be kept in jail while awaiting trial.

Thank you ElderLez!

[quote] If the judge believes a person accused of a felony is likely to commit a serious violent crime in the near future the defendant can be kept in jail while awaiting trial.

How about armed insurrection? Does that count a a serious violent crime?

[quote]There are no laws, no precedent of an indicted President or former President. This is very new that nothing in this country's history....has ever happened.

Good. So the NY DA will set precedent for this. And now that precedent has been set, and that former presidents are not above the law and can be arrested, Georgia, DC, NY State, et al. will be more free to prosecute.

I assume (other than ego) Trump imagines that if people raise enough hell, prosecutors handling the other, much more serious cases against him will be cowed into not indicting out of fear. I somewhat hope the MAGAts do try something illegal, it identifies even more of them to sweep up for conviction.

Rumors floating around Legal Twitter that his calls for violence could be used as the basis for an obstruction of justice charge.

Thankfully he never listens to legal advice. He is the last person to be calling for protests!

I assume he will have to get a mugshot taken. Will it be released to the public???

I don’t remember Michael Cohen having a mug shot?

Anyone arrested for a crime gets a mug shot.

It'll be on the cover of Time. Will he post it in Mar-a-Lago?

[quote]Rumors floating around Legal Twitter that his calls for violence could be used as the basis for an obstruction of justice charge.

Just send drag queens to do security. They know how to handle turd's flying monkeys.

Riots in celebration?

Are we going with extra dry or brut for the occasion? 🍾

As I get older, I revert to my Boone's Farm tastes.

Demi sec: Moët & Chandon - Nectar Impérial Rosé Champagne.

I've got a fine single-malt scotch waiting for the moment.

I'll take a Ripple.

[quote] Rumors floating around Legal Twitter that his calls for violence

Where did he explicitly call for violence?

Trump won’t spend a second in jail thanks to progressives fucking with bail. That said, if Trumpers try rioting, NYers will beat the living hell out of them.

[quote]He’s Teflon Don

John Gotti was the Teflon Don, until he wasn’t.

What time is the Perp waddle?

Trump won’t spend a second in jail thanks to progressives fucking with bail.

Bail reform, some of which was needed, has nothing to do with Cheatolini staying out of jail pending trial. In a case like this one, the principal issue for the judge to resolve is whether tRump will show up for trial. Considering that Drumpf is under law enforcement surveillance 24 hours a day that doesn’t seem to be that difficult a question to answer. It is also unlikely that in the next few months he would have the opportunity to commit this crime again. What about his many other crimes? Those are still being investigated and he has not been charged yet. Finally, the jail is ill-equipped to house someone who is under 24-hour Secret Service protection. Plus no judge wants to put a former (so-called) POTUS in jail for these charges pretrial.

r88, Donnie Two Scoops and his base speak the same language.

Protest = Riot.

Peacefully Protest = Set shit on fire.

Hang Mike Pence = Give me a reason to declare Martial Law.

r92, Gitmo...

I am starting to worry that Trump no longer has the power to divide the republican party.

[quote] Gitmo

R94, that is a federal military facility reserved for a certain class of criminals, namely foreign terrorists. The Manhattan DA and the NY Criminal Courts don’t get to ask to use that for this type of routine criminal case with a non-routine defendant who is also a United States citizen.

Fox News reporting arraignment may be virtual to avoid issues of actual physical arrest

“We’re gonna march down… 💥 “

It seems like everyone on the cables is just vamping until the indictment comes down. I'm going for a walk, call me when it happens.

[quote] [R94], that is a federal military facility reserved for a certain class of criminals, namely foreign terrorists

Change it.

The indictment is just a process for rich and famous people. He'll go through the booking process and leave. Anybody here actually expecting him to be convicted regardless of the evidence is deluding themselves.

Me? I'm just sitting here knitting.

R102 It's not about the process. It's about the democrats having no spine.

You can be sure if this was a Democrat former president the republicans would have had him face a firing squad. Upon Putin's orders of course.

The wheels of justice grind exceedingly slow but they grind exceedingly fine.

[quote]It's not about the process. It's about the democrats having no spine.

Stop politicizing this. It's a criminal proceeding, it has nothing to do with whether one political party or the other has a "spine."

[quote]—Sexy Empiricus

Mmmm. I think I saw you once in Greece. Good memories.

Heyyyy.

Extrajudicial killings are for weak despots. They’ve got nothing to do with spines.

I don't know, R108, I can see myself endorsing some selective extrajudicial killing.

I'll never forget how we ALL ignored the "SHOOT TRUMP FIRST!" troll when Dump ran in 2016. We lived to regret not paying more attention to him.

Trump to be indicted in Georgia.

r96, wasn't Jefrey Epstein transferred from one incarceration jurisdiction to another?

Gitmo.

The Vanity Fair article says the GOP in Georgia are attempting to push through legislation to more easily fire prosecutors and DA's. These fucking people are so corrupt and evil at every level. I still can't believe my country has come to this.

The GOP is a snakepit.

[quote]wasn't Jefrey Epstein transferred from one incarceration jurisdiction to another?

He was convicted of federal charges, not state charges.

Just like Jesse James…. 🎶

r115, but wasn't he transferred to a state facility, where he killed himself? Wasn't Barr involved?

No. He killed himself in MCC (Manhattan Correctional Center) which is a federal jail.

Thank you for the correction. r118.

NBC is reporting that the USSS has been in contact with the NYPD over logistics issues and safety of the courthouse.

Oh, it's gonna happen.

After the arrest, this'll be NYC.

A bit of levity from one of the principal players.

It seems that NYPD is finally building that wall he's been clamoring for so much. But outside Manhattan Criminal Court.

I said in the other thread that you will see more media and security than you will that orange turd's flying monkeys proteting on his behalf. All of the shrieks from feces-flingers on social media, doesn't translate into actual support in the real world. It's very easy to be a loudmouth douchebag on here sitting on your fat ass, but to actually leave your home/trailer park and drive or get on a plane on behalf of that dogshit? Yeah, that ain't happening because that actually takes effort.

^ I'm off and on monitoring the social media accounts of MAGAts I personally known and there's not a peep about Dump's indictment. They were total cult members during his reign and very vocal.

Is Stormy Daniels under some kind of gag order? I'd imagine all the talk shows would be courting her furiously right now. What gives?

There are over 30K NYPD. Trump won't even manage to get 30 people for his stupid ass.

[quote]Is Stormy Daniels under some kind of gag order?

Oh hell no.

I hope she gets to describe his tiny penis with Yeti pubes for everyone in the courtroom.

My office is in Midtown-west…no where near the courts downtown. Yet our HR team just sent a global email telling employees it was OK to work remotely on Tuesday, due to protests…Oy vey!

Georgia will be next. Republicans will express their obligatory outrage publicly but privately they’ll be happy to let it all just play out.

Stormy's been quite busy beating up MAGATs on the Twitter machine.

They need to get Stormy on The View stat!

Maybe MAGA is over Trump? They seem like a very vocal minority but I am not sensing any outrage from cult members. Maybe they are resigned to the fact that he is over.

We Are Legion - MAGATs

Look at the countless Trump protesters.

The best are the comments from deplorable imbeciles claiming they can't be Trump supporters because they're wearing masks. So they're saying that the pitiful five undercover "ANTIFA/FBI" are trying to make Trump "look bad" with masks, but no supporters at all is a better look.

😂

I'm here for the implosion of GOP in its current form.

Apologies. A whopping SIX supporters

Oops, again. I'm R137

[quote] Maybe MAGA is over Trump? They seem like a very vocal minority but I am not sensing any outrage from cult members. Maybe they are resigned to the fact that he is over.

They are anything but over Trump, R136. We are rapidly collapsing into a zombie apocalypse, politically speaking, which is what these people want and Trump is the man who they believe will pave the way, one way or another. These people are everywhere, not just in traditionally red states, and they are lurking in the shadows waiting for their moment.

If Trump somehow becomes unelectable, they’ll turn their attentions towards DeSantis, but the Orange Horror will always be their god.

If he wasn’t Putin’s puppet, the GOP would have assassinated Trump ten minutes after his inauguration and installed Pence.

Look at the honker on Costello!

this is actually happening

Kevin, sometimes it's just better not to shit yourself in public.

Funny thing about Georgia. The Governor and Secretary of state hate Trump and there's some moderate Republicans in the legislature who feel the same way. But the Lt. Governor is a Seditionist. He is a pig POS. I don't think the GOP in Georgia is inclined to intervene except for some token opposition to his indictment. You see, there is an entire system in place to conduct elections. And the Secretary of State and his team take a lot of pride in it, and the election workers, thousands of them, and their families take pride in their work, and to suggest that they were corrupt or incompetent after three or four recounts occurred is a deep insult. I think Fani wants to indict him. She is under pressure not to, but she has the grounds and she will. Nopw indicting him in GA is a state matter. Elections are run byb the state. So if the fucker gets convicted, he would be eligible for a Georgia state prison, and I am here to tell you you cannot begin to imagine what hell holes those are. Pray you never face a felony in Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, or Missouri because they have the worst run prison systems in the fucking country.

Am I the only one who doesn't want him in jail for this?

I want to see him shipped around the country, from NYC to Georgia then back to DC, to stand trial for every horrible thing he's done for years. Then I want the IRS to actually go after the millions that he owes them, so his entire little empire folds.

Being on trial is stressful. Once you're in prison--like Bernie Madoff--you get used to it, fall from the public eye, and find some sort of stasis.

Happy Trump Indictment Day! I’m opening a bottle of Dom if it happens. Cheers.

I have so much to do today and can't really be glued to DL or news sites.

But if something goes down, I might blow off work ...

What are the odds it happens today?

R132 better get out of that robe, hop in the shower and suit up. Your bosses may soon realize there aren’t going to be any!

^oh, I’m still going into the office! But I’ll roll in a bit late.

Not happening today.

Looking more like next week.

Source r153?

Heard on the radio this morning on my way to work.

On the radio in what show? Provide details. It’s not 1979.

Nothing is going to happen. I wonder....if trump happened 50 or 60+ years ago. I think he would have been out of office, during his term, after the first impeachment. If not, then I think he would have been indicted and behind bars by now. Back then, both parties worked together....in spite of their differences. It was more bipartisan then. Laws meant something back then, too. I hate and am angered by trump...but I'm more angered by the lack of urgency by the DOJ, DAs and law enforcements. If trump was nipped in the bud years ago, he wouldn't be the bloated monster he is today....still inflicting damage on this country.

Well, Trump was committing crimes 40 years ago, did not have the presidency, and still he was never prosecuted for anything.

Our politicians were better because our voters were better.

I’m pretty sure that “something “ is going to happen, R157. Your post seems troll-like.

I just got a Bearking News alert from the NYTimes, but it was about the FOX Dominion case.

I adore Dan Goldman. He will be the next Attorney General and the first Jewish President.

Ivantyu Trump, prison dump... I'm sure there are some sickos out there that would make this wannabe frat boy squeal like a pig.

Sigh...

🤣🤣🤣🤣

He may finally appear, to be fingerprinted, etc. It won't be Tuesday or Wednesday. There won't be huge protests and MAGA gatherings in NYC. Once again Trump has gotten the media to wait upon him breathlessly. This is just infusing his campaign with energy. He is holding a hate rally on the weekend in Waco, of all places. This is just advance publicity and it will get more coverage and attendance. The only way out is through his death.

Nothing will happen.

Waco?

Yes, in Waco.

He's holding it in Waco because he identifies with cults and their leaders

With the same outcome, I hope.

The Trump grievance mentality on keeping government out of our lives so we can conduct crimes with impunity is fitting for the Waco / Koresh shit.

R164 Not so Rich Crazy Asians

R159....I don't think so.

It's a fun day on Twitter

A friend of mine who works there says that the New York State courthouse downtown is being evacuated because of a bomb threat.

Yesterday, the Trump-dispatched Costello rambled on in front of the TV cameras after his grand jury appearance, calling Michael Cohen suicidal, desperate, a liar, etc., and claiming he gave the grand jury tons of e-mail evidence that would exonerate Trump.

What's interesting is that the grand jury has not called Cohen back for questioning after Costello's appearance, which leads me to believe the grand jury saw Costello's appearance as a bunch of BS and hot air concocted by Trump himself.

It really is amazing, the gall of these trashbag Republicans sending a letter to intimidate Bragg like they have any authority. Jordan in particular needs such a smack. A fucking insurrectionist who leads the "Weaponization of the Federal Government" committee as he attempts to obstruct and interfere in a case in a state criminal investigation where he has no right to do so, but still tries to *weaponize* his power. Hold up a mirror at your next hearing if you want to see the face or weaponization, you fucking Ohio parasite.

“Tons of e-mail evidence”=Did everything I could distract from and delay the case.

R176, what a lot of people forget, (media) is that they already investigated Michael Cohen. They raided his place and found files and tapes and all kinds of shit, and Michael had a conversion. He is a cooperating witness . He was convicted. He went to jail. He lost his license to practice law. So the case has been made. Some people a re saying Bragg is going to blow this case and Trump will walk away. It's a "weak case." I don't know how they get to that place, but if they got Cohen for what Trump did, they now get Trump for what Trump did. If Bragg loses this case it will be because he did it on purpose. What's he scared of? The Russian Mob? Cohen had more reasons to be afraid of them, and he's doing fine.

R176, that's precisely what Cohen said on Ari Melber when he countered Costello. And the thing that the old sleaze lied about, is in regards to SDNY not believing Cohen, so they never went after Trump. He lied saying SDNY saw nothing there, leaving out that Bill Barr stepped in (ie., weaponized DOJ and used it as Trump's personal law firm rather than in service to the American people), and told them to drop it. Geoff Berman was fired because he could see what Barr was trying to do. Bill Barr should never be allowed out in public. Disgusting fucker.

It really is disgusting how many people from past admin. who've been disastrous or nefarious, have been allowed to just go on with their lives and make money or the media treats them like they don't belong in prison or disbarred at the very least. Bill Kristol comes to mind. Treated like some elder statesman and brought on TV (I tune out every time I see his ugly face), when he should've been shipped off to the Hague with every other fucking neocon starting with Bush.

Will Dump still get his scheduled Executive Time every morning in prison?

If any Republicans want to bitch about Trump being unfairly and politically prosecuted, just direct them to Democrat John Edwards. Remember his little illegal hush money payments to cover up his affair with that whore?

Bragg is a weak DA. He's been letting low level criminals back out on the streets, to embolden and continue their crimes...in a more brazen way. How do you think he'll do with trump? He may be afraid. He's not up to the job.

Used to be a t ime, decades ago, when if some public figure was charged with a crime or under investigation, it would be a major scandal, and they would go into seclusion and be meeting with lawyers and negotiating to try to stay out of prison. And the LAw was pretty clear, and right and wrong were very clear. But now you hold rallies, go on TV promote yourself on social media, and brazen it out.

^ Yep, this whole thing was CYA by Bragg. Why wasn't a case brought years ago? He just wanted to keep his job, and New Yorkers weren't happy that he was just letting Trump slide.

A lawyer on CNN this morning made a pretty strong case that this would be a tough case to win. And too much rests on the word of a convicted liar...Cohen. I think Bragg should pass and let GA take the lead in getting Trump.

It's Hillary's fault!

Hunter Biden's laptop!

R183 is all over this thread (and this thread only) playing this down. He gets a nice potato.

We shall see R189. I don't want to say, "I told you so"....will be happy if it happens. Otherwise, get your head out of your ass.

Daniel Goldman is the hottest...right up there with muscular Chris Hayes.

I just love these flyover/southern MAGAts in particular sticking their stupid noses in this thinking that Bragg isn't doing precisely what *NEW YORK TAXPAYERS* are paying him to do. For decades, we've been wanting to see that disgusting criminal family held accountable.

His supporters are trash and they can go fuck themselves.

BTW, to the person who said it's a weak case: Cohen literally went to prison over it. How could Trump get away with it when he's "Individual #1" but Cohen goes to prison?

R183, did you just create an account profile on DL this morning? Russian troll CUNT.

[quote]I think Bragg should pass and let GA take the lead in getting Trump.

No. Once Bragg opens the door for an indictment of a former president, the dam will burst and other jurisdictions will not have to kick the door down. Whether he gets a conviction or not in this case doesn't change the fact that it's now precedent for a prior president to be indicted.

This case may not be as strong as the cases surrounding Trump's other possible indictments, but like R194 said, win or lose, the NY indictment will open the floodgates.

Georgia will be watching the NY case, as will the DOJ. This will be their primer and will give them valuable information on how to best prepare for their indictments.

I think the case is strong. You have Cohen and Daniels telling them exactly what happened and Trump signing the checks.

Bomb threat called in to NY courthouse right before hearing.

DJT probably made the threat while sitting on the toilet from a burner phone.

Thanks, r197.

We were told three hours ago.

R199- Didn't see it posted anywhere.

I'm only teasing you because this thread makes me so happy.

But it was posted back at r175.

R198 thank you for my first laugh out loud moment of the day! What a mental picture!

R200 - it's right here in the thread you are reading and responding to. Don't worry about it. The "mein fuhrer" joke is funny but we've always had duplicates and nobody gives a shit. Carry on.

No way it was Dump who called in the bomb threat, John Barron, John Miller or David Dennison - maybe.

Vladimir Putin would love to see his buddy Donnie get back in power. Then he could pull out of Ukraine and save the fucked up Russian state.

They are so full of shit.

An Inconvenient Truth:

IT'S GOING DOWN!!!

"Bragg is a weak DA. He's been letting low level criminals back out on the streets, to embolden and continue their crimes...in a more brazen way."

Homicides are down in NYC. Blaming district attorneys for crime is what Republicans do, because they don't understand that the root causes of crime and poverty and lack of education, which they allow to continue by trashing schools and labeling it "communism" to help the poor

Seriously? It's going down?

Huzzah!

Nah, people are posting all kinds of fake stuff on twitter. Utterly untrustworthy. Look to actual news sites you trust before you get excited.

I’ll still believe it when I see it.

Is that a fake pic, r207? It looks incredibly real (and is sooo satisfying). But I haven’t seen any news alerts.

My bad. My friend texted me that pic but apparently it's a fake floating around twitter.

GODDAMMIT!!!!!!!

R213- That's ok, I enjoyed the hell out of it anyway.

Bomb threat called into NY courthouse

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JFC, r215.

Read the thread!

Does this give him several days to whip up outrage?

The bomb threats probably came from his putrid kids or Rudy Guiliani.

How many people realize that a united group of Native American Leaders made Trump an honorary chief? Chief Shitting Bricks.

That's OK, r220. He'll still be fucked.

Bragg is part Indian. He's from the Slap-A-Ho tribe.

[quote]Does this give him several days to whip up outrage?

That's what he's hoping for, anyway.

Jared Kushner is half Bottomwannabe.

R207 I'm not surprised it's taking 5 officers to handle Trump. He is so strong with his barrel chest and big broad shoulders.

R224, how sad is it that I'm not sure if you're serious, considering the influx of right-wing trash.

How is this political prosecution but the following are not:

Her emails

Benghazi

Hunter Biden’s delicious penis they can’t get enough of

R226, you can also throw in the letter from complete asswipe Republicans who have ZERO authority in NYC, but are attempting to have Bragg prosecuted. Fucking dickheads.

r196, Weisselberg is already in jail for the Trump Organization rip off.

He was one of the three Cohen had on the tape recorder discussing the financing of the hush money.

How is he not indicted under the Strormy Daniels case?

The feds already said Trump was guilty of this crime but he was in office. The Republicans hang on to soiled Donald at their own risk.

R132 trotting back from the office…No protests in Midtown. 75%+ of the office stayed away—did not come in. Facilities cancelled our usual free breakfast.

I hate my job🤠

A different case:

Not expecting anything to happen.

I sincerely hope they stay chained to Donald Trump so that he can pull them under and drown them all.

I have never hated anyone as much as I hate him.

Mr. District Attorney, please don't take my baby away!

I wonder if the fat fuck is even worried about all of this. He is getting media attention and that seems to be all that matters to him.

I just wanna see the mugshot. It's gonna be one for the ages.

Then every single Democratic candidate running for any kind of office, from city council to the Senate, should use it on all their campaign literature.

Statute of Limitations runs out in May if I heard correctly. They'll try to run down the clock.

R235 = Melania

R239 Too late. It's happening.

Chris Rock said arresting former President Donald Trump would be like imprisoning Tupac Shakur — arguing that it'll only boost the bombastic 2024 presidential candidate and help Trump rally more support.

“Are you guys really going to arrest Trump? Do you know that this is only going to make him more popular? It is like arresting Tupac. He’s just going to sell more records. Are you stupid?

[quote]Statute of Limitations runs out in May if I heard correctly. They'll try to run down the clock.

The clock stops once charges are filed.

He'll be indicted in NYC, Georgia and Florida, I think possibly in DC too.

Lots of crimes, he'll be busy for years with this shit.

What’s the Florida indictment about r244?

I wish they'd stop with this...it's so much bullshit. Either you arrest him, or you don't.

R246 The DA is doing its job and following procedures. It's Trump who's throwing out bullshit with posts like "I'm being arrested Tuesday!"

Blame the orange asshole, not the DA.

Stop with what, exactly, r246?

No one is doing anything they should stop. The Grand Jury returns tomorrow. No one from that office has commented nor confirmed or denied an indictment is imminent.

Remember, it was klangerine who claimed he would be arrested on Tuesday, setting off this media firestorm, not the DA's office.

[quote]“Are you guys really going to arrest Trump? Do you know that this is only going to make him more popular? It is like arresting Tupac. He’s just going to sell more records. Are you stupid?

I'll never understand this logic. The rule of law still means something in this country, or at least it's supposed to. Should we let people get away with crimes because arresting them [italic]may[/italic] have an unintended consequence we don't like?

R249 Furthermore, comparing Tupac selling records after his death to a former president committing crimes and getting supporters pissed off if he's indicted is a completely stupid analogy.

Do better, Chris.

Why won't he just die?

Clearly, people have not figured out that cheeto is far more dangerous as a martyr for their deplorable cause.

We should all pray he doesn't die while this is happening, or Jan 6 will look like a fun day of civic duty.

[quote]We should all pray he doesn't die while this is happening, or Jan 6 will look like a fun day of civic duty.

Who cares? He would be gone.

He's not dangerous. His support is ebbing away, and he is aging before our eyes. Very soon he'll just be a delusional old mad man wandering around shitting on the floor for attention and making false accusations about things no one cares about. And Trump Force One, his airplane will either be sold or mothballed because they can't afford to maintain it. And Mar A Lago will be in ruins.

Out of sight out of mind.

Did this news of his arrest come from Trump himself? Isn’t this all a rumor?

Look. When he dies I want it to be public. Like a stroke on the golf course. I don't want any bullshit about him being secretly murdered or anything else that martyrs him. I want him to choke on his McDonalds. Or get stomach cancer from all the Diet Coke he drinks. Or do an Elvis. On the toilet.

R255, that's Trump's biggest fear. He loves being in the spotlight he loves attention and he doesn't give a fuck how he gets it. At this point he is so desperate for attention he will be happy to go to NYC and get his mug shot taken.

R258- And the media happily gives it to him.

[quote] Why won't he just die?

I think it’s something about the good dying young?

I want to see him tased.

He is too evil to die.

R252 The best thing he could do for America - and the world, actually - is to die.

Trump said he was getting arrested today (Tuesday). He lied about this.

Reporters stated that there is more happening in the grand jury.

DA of NY City, said his office will not be intimated by Trump and The Republican Party.

[quote]DA of NY City, said his office will not be intimated by Trump and The Republican Party.

Meanwhile, dirtbag Rand Paul tweeted today that the NYC district attorney should be "in jail."

This was all a trump fabrication. The media played right into his hands.

[quote]He's not dangerous. His support is ebbing away, and he is aging before our eyes. Very soon he'll just be a delusional old mad man wandering around shitting on the floor for attention and making false accusations about things no one cares about.

Timing is EVERYTHING. It's better to wait until his support has died. The fact that he beats DeSatan in some polls is troubling.

[quote]Look. When he dies I want it to be public. Like a stroke on the golf course. I don't want any bullshit about him being secretly murdered or anything else that martyrs him.

His supporters are all conspiracy wingnuts. No matter how he dies, there are going to be more conspiracy theories than there are for Kennedy, Marilyn, 9/11, and the moon landings combined. It's going to be hell. Even a stroke on the golf course will result in dozens of claims that he was healthy and some secret liberal medical experiments induced the stroke without leaving any traces of the drug.

As a practical matter, I continue to believe the best overall outcome is that he lives a long and miserable life during which dementia and unhinged ranting make him a laughingstock to his supporters. That will result in the least controversy, strife, and political hoopla...for all of us. Less satisfying, but much more likely to result in stability, rather than armed nutbags storming the capital again.

Well the racist pigs have their marching orders so now they are attacking the DA and the Grand Jury process. In Georgia, they want the judge to toss out the findings of the special grand jury. They will say that every single effort to gather evidence of his many crimes is tainted and it's all political. Now Trump saying it is one thing. But when members of Congress start attacking the criminal justice system and demanding records of legal proceedings, that's another.

Remember, this (potential arrest) was discovered by reporters from Trump's statements to his followers. This is when Trump told his cult followers to mount a mass protest against the US Government for "his Arrest", which he said was to be Today/Tuesday.

So it is so Crazy.

Can we lower the hysteria?

Ignore him until he’s dead

Then bury him in an unmarked grave

Trump announced he was going to be arrested Tuesday and practically begged his supporters to violently overthrow the country. The response by his supporters was...tepid. I don't think any prosecutors were intimidated. The indictments will come.

Jim Jordan demanded documents from Alvin Bragg today who responded by telling Gym to pound sand.

LOL

How can one person manipulate so many people, and try to overthrow the legal system and the country, and keep on doing shit and running his damned mouth, and not suffer ANY consequences? The country has been dealing with this deal for years now.

Just as trump is facing indictment, Ron DeSantis gives an interview where he attacks Trump and insists he can beat Biden in 2024: Florida governor tears into Trump's character, mocks his use of nicknames and says there's no 'daily drama' in his government

DeSantis also said flat out he could beat President Joe Biden, although he again stopped short of saying he would run. 'If I were to run,' he said, 'I'm running against Biden.

What I do worry about is that once he is formally indicted, arrested, mugshot and finger printed, the violence will come in sporadic bursts in various states. Here in GA, we have the hardcore Marjorie Taylor Greene people, and some real lunatics and they will definitely try something. But they're cowards so it may not be a full blown protest. More like target practice. So that's what I worry about. Because some of them are really hot for a race war. I doubt we'll see mobs like Jan. 6th. But I am not going to believe there's no threat because there is. In pockets all over this country.

I've thought, for a while now that DeSantis will make a move against Trump. He's just as bad.

[quote]He's not dangerous.

People said the same thing in 2015. And let's see how you feel if he gets re-elected.

A nightmare to even think about. I really thought Trump was done. Now DeSantis. Goddamn.

Trump IS done. Did you think there were no other dumbass Republicans?

Meatball Ron will lose, Donald the Hutt will lose. Nimrata will lose. They'll all lose. Americans are beyond tired of their extremist right wing shit and all their drama. Meatball Ron is a HUGE drama queen and he won't play well across the country. All they have is drama, they have nothing of substance and no new ideas (nor any decent old ideas either). They have weak wedge issues that ultimately won't get them to the White House. They have unlikeable candidates that won't get them to the White House either.

Losers gonna lose.

[quote]As a practical matter, I continue to believe the best overall outcome is that he lives a long and miserable life during which dementia and unhinged ranting make him a laughingstock to his supporters.

And at what point will Trump worshipers suddenly and magically turn into rational human beings?

"It would be so very satisfying to see him wheeled into court wearing a Hannibal Lector mask."

Trump being blindfolded for the firing squad is my Klangerine Dream.

He doesn't deserve the blindfold. Bring him eyes wide open.

What are the chances he's indicted today?

[quote]How can one person manipulate so many people, and try to overthrow the legal system and the country, and keep on doing shit and running his damned mouth, and not suffer ANY consequences?

I honestly don't know why so many everyday Americans don't see through him, his cons are so transparent. But the reason he continues to "do shit" is because the lawmakers in his party are afraid to stand up to him – for the sole reason that they value their reelection over their country.

R284, I think he gets away with it because there are so many Republicans that make sure he does - he would have easily been impeached if any Senators had the integrity of Mitt Romney, for example. He's allowed them to take off their masks and show what authoritarians and supremacists they really are. If Jan 6 hadn't endangered themselves personally, most Congressional Republicans would have been in full support. Look how they're trying to rewrite its history. They are even now acting to try to interfere with investigations and prosecutors on his behalf. This fish rotted from the bottom up.

I think a lot of Americans, who support him, see through him. It's just that they are shitty as people...just like him. That's why they love him. He represents the worst in human nature and speaks their language.

Does anyone what this late night meeting was about?

R273...I know. In a way, (don't jump on me) it's a talent.....albeit a very evil one. His manipulations are astonishing and infuriating.

[quote]I think a lot of Americans, who support him, see through him.

I think you vastly underestimate the stupidity and gullibility of a certain segment of the American public.

[quote]How can one person manipulate so many people

Because people are batshit crazy:

Lawyer Joseph McBride, who is representing a handful of Jan. 6 defendants, thinks that the timing of Trump’s likely arrest is notable.

“President Trump will be arrested during lent—a time of suffering and purification for the followers of Jesus Christ,” McBride wrote on Twitter. “As Christ was crucified, and then rose again on the 3rd day, so too will @realdonaldtrump.”

When he faced some pushback on comparing Trump’s plight to Jesus Christ’s hours-long torture, McBride doubled down. “JESUS LOVES DONALD TRUMP. JESUS DIED FOR DONALD TRUMP. JESUS LIVES INSIDE DONALD TRUMP,” McBride tweeted. “DEAL WITH IT.”

OMG...^^

Should have added a big LOL after that...

More like Lucifer lives inside of the fat bastard.

[quote]What are the chances he's indicted today?

The grand jury apparently meets today so there's a chance he'll be indicted, but my guess is that if he is, it'll be a sealed indictment and they'll work with his attorneys to try to get him to quietly turn himself in, get processed and released on bail, with a minimum of fuss. They're probably very worried about his supporters trying to cause something.

I know I always compare the trials and tribulations of our savior Donald J Trump with that of Jesus H Christ.

R279 I tend to agree with you. But the thing that incenses me is the fucking news media with their false equivalencies and their determination to cover the Extremists as if they represent a significant percentage of the electorate embracing a candidate, when in fact, the Media has create this electorate. When you have saturation coverage of Trump, or De Santis or whomever, it seems normal.

They talk about states passing repressive, unconstitutional laws, bad laws, as if it's a done deal. Don't bother to mention the lawsuits and appeals, or the opposition. People begin to tacitly accept the unacceptable. Are all the people who voted for Trump Fascists? No, not really. They are stupid. Or "sheeple" as we at DL describe them. Instead of finding the Extremist candidates repugnant, the sheeple feel like it's OK, and they accept it because the media normalizes it.

Locally, I have not read anything about how the local Republican Party thugs act. I have had elderly neighbors who have been intimidated by the GOP "volunteers." They get phone calls, and people coming to their houses aggressively insisting they put up lawn signs, and calling them several times a week. Sending them mail soliciting funds, and then the people at the door, saying "why haven't you responded? " One elderly neighbor lady told me she voted for Trump and was so happy he lost! "They wouldn't leave me alone." Their tactics are very much imitating the Nazi brown shirts of the '30s, and it's deliberate.

The Republicans have weaponized "Low Information voters" and they are very aggressive about getting out the vote. Then you also have the "aspirational" voter who says he doesn't care about "all that rhetoric" he likes how they run the economy! And let's not forget the voters filled with grievances and resentment, always worrying that someone else is getting more than they are. Fox News has convinced them it's the Dems' fault.

But it's not just Fox. Through it all, most of the mainstream media (even MSNBC) is there setting the agenda, telling us what it means, and "analyzing" everything in the most misguided superficial way. They love spectacle and hype. The goal is ratings and revenue. I've stopped watching the networks for political news. If it's important I'll go to C Span...or You Tube. The most recent example of bullshit hype is how the media has been covering, wall to wall, the possibility of violence when Trump is arrested, making it almost a self fulfilling prophecy. I hate them.

During a news show yesterday they were showing a press conference he did the other day? Is that correct? He was talking about the upcoming arrest or whatever. So boring. I didn’t even watch so that’s why im unclear what was going on.

My reaction reassures me. During trump’s reign he was on my mind every single fucking day. He terrified me and I couldn’t not pay attention. Now? It’s a big yawn. He’s a walking limp dick.

[quote]The most recent example of bullshit hype is how the media has been covering, wall to wall, the possibility of violence when Trump is arrested, making it almost a self fulfilling prophecy. I hate them.

Violence would be a ratings bonanza!

Hillary was right. The Republicans don't stop him because they agree with him. Maybe some are afraid of the Neo Nazi fascists at home in their states who have hijackedt he state Republican parties and menace and threaten. Maybe they think they will lose an election or their families would be in danger. I guess that's why so many Republicans in Congress have retired since Trump got elected in 2016.

R296...Good post and very true. I can't stand the media, too.

[quote]They're probably very worried about his supporters trying to cause something.

We ain't worried in New York. The Proud Bitches got their asses handed to them at a drag story hour.

Welcome to New York Fucking City, punks.

[quote]During a news show yesterday they were showing a press conference he did the other day? Is that correct? He was talking about the upcoming arrest or whatever.

If we're thinking of the same thing, it was a video he made for his twitter-like website, whatever it's called.

Honestly, I'd prefer Trump to be the Republican nominee, since he's unelectable. And, if he can do a lot of damage to DeSantis in the process, I'm all for that.

Omg at R290, wtf.

[quote]Meanwhile, dirtbag Rand Paul tweeted today that the NYC district attorney should be "in jail."

I don't know how anyone can ever even focus on his words when he has that roadkill on his head.

And no one gives a shit what that shithole-representing trash thinks. It's just noise.

[quote]the gall of these trashbag Republicans sending a letter to intimidate Bragg like they have any authority.

Hold on a sec. I thought they were the party of law and order? Are you suggesting they don't want the law to work properly because it's a member of their own party?

Why, that couldn't be. I mean, it just couldn't. Right?

The same media that brought us constant coverage of the coming "red wave," now bring you supposed massive protests on behalf of orange dogshit.

Vaughn Hillyard's coverage of MAGAts is pathetic and vomit-inducing. He feels the need to air every stupid thing these pitiful individuals have to say and give it validation. He's covering like 20 people in FL as if it's some massive group. The craven media's desperation to create the narrative that MAGA is far more powerful than it is and give oxygen to these nothings, has really destroyed the country.

If he is ever to be in prison, secret service would still be required to be near him. If he wasn’t so hideous, that would be a good pron set up.

R308, and that's it in a nutshell. Covering 20 people as if it is some massive group or that they represent something beyond their own lunacy. Keep that in mind every time you watch the news.

ITA, R308!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

𝗛𝗼𝘄𝗮𝗿𝗱 𝗦𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗻 𝗕𝗹𝗮𝘀𝘁𝘀 𝗠𝗦𝗡𝗕𝗖 𝗢𝗯𝘀𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗖𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗧𝗿𝘂𝗺𝗽 𝗔𝗿𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘁: ‘𝗧𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗪𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗚𝗼𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗙*𝗰𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗕𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗲𝗿𝗸’

“I was watching MSNBC, they were going fucking berserk with, you know, Trump potentially being arrested,” Stern told his co-host Robin Quivers.

“These indictment possibilities,” Quivers remarked.

“Oh my God. It’s the same discussion over and over again,” Stern said. “They go, ‘It’s very possible that President Trump will be indicted according to…”

“And then they all come on the air and they’re all discussing whether or not Trump’s gonna be indicted. I go, ‘You know what? Why don’t you sit tight and wait and see instead of like, speculating?'” Stern said.

Quivers compared the coverage to a sporting event with all the predictions and anticipation.

“That’s right. You don’t have to speculate. This is what my problem is with those news shows,” Quivers said. “They treat politics like sports, you know? When something like the Super Bowl is coming up, you have two weeks to discuss what’s gonna happen in the Super Bowl.”

The media can't get enough of this shit. They become giddy over it.

The MAGA cult needs (and maybe wants) to be excised like a tumor.

No meeting today for the grand jury. No indictments for now.

He lied about the day so his white trash minions would have time to plan.

Even if Trump lost in 2024, he would say it was rigged and he is running again in 2028. Self-reflection is not part of his makeup kit.

I could see that R317. As long as he's alive, he'll keep tormenting the country. Destruction is his game.

I wish we could start a movement. I guess we would have to use the media to screw the media. But maybe not. Maybe we could use social media. But If we could all just step away from the political news shows, and refuse to be drawn in to the personality horserace hype, We'd be better off and the media might get the message. I'm encouraging my friends and family to stop watching political news shows. Those panels of "experts" who bloviate about nothing. I galls me to realize too many of us think they know better. Now if it is a science or tech or legal issue or even financial or economics maybe they do have some informed, educated opinion. But it is just an opinion and you can hear differing views depending on who you watch.

I am going to focus on policies. I'm more interested in what they propose than who they are. With the Republicans, they have been trying to weaken or get rid of Medicare and Social Security for decades. So why would anyone believe them if they say they won't. It is their goal. They want to dismantle our government. They talk about tax cuts but Trump's tax cuts for the wealthy are causing us to pay more until 2027. Every year. And the reality of how much money a tax cut actually puts real dollars in your pocket is laughable.

The Republicans have historically shown how poorly they manage the economy. When they say less government they aren't talking about us. They are talking about deregulation for their corporate sponsors. So IMO it's pretty clear which party has policies...and a track record that attempts to address things I care about. I don't intend to be drawn in to "who do you like better" deal. IMO that's very divisive, and you can't win if you are divided. I am voting for whoever the Democrats nominate. Personally I feel like my dog Skippy would be a better President than any Republican.

I also intend to pay a loot more attention to my state legislature and school board elections and local stuff. Because they are really screwing us over at the state level.

It will never die. We will never be free of this black plague.

It's not easy...at least for me. The trick is to put him out of your head. Period. He's in a lot of peoples' heads...whether you hate him, or faithfully support him. It's a sickness. The media makes that hard, reading social media...so maybe just turn those off altogether. He's a cult leader who knows how to play that game....and he won't give up. He's so obsessed himself about losing the election in '20....and will not take "no" for an answer. He'll do and say anything to win. He's like an abusive husband going after his ex-wife relentlessly...because only he can have and control her. He'll even kill her....like trump will to the USA.

R321- He already has.

Wull, he hasn't kilt me. Next time I see em I'm gonna lay a big wet fart on 'im.

Maybe Trump's rally this Saturday in Waco will be the one where he passes out the cyanide laced Kool-Aid.

Maggie Haberman got hella scooped this morning lmao

r324 I think Bragg is waiting till after the Wacko Wackiness to issue the indictment.

He wants no tie in.

That is why he is continuing to interview people to stall for next week. Smoke.

Can I just say: To those of you who are characterizing this as Trump paying off a porn star, that's really not the way I think of this. Because the missing word is "STOLEN." To me, that fucker stole $130,000, money that a lot of dumb MAGAts sent him for his campaign. And he used it to indulge his personal sexual activities, and then pay off the sex worker using money he STOLE from his contributors. So all those MAGAs out here protesting, and all the Republican politicians protesting, and all the Fox pundits protesting are tell Trump's supporters it's OK for him to STEAL $130,000 of the money they gave him, and give it to Stormy Daniels for a blow job. and a quick fuck..

Has he told his sheep why he was wrong about getting arrested yesterday?

[quote] Maggie Haberman got hella scooped this morning lmao

?

R328, Trump is like those would-be messiahs who claim the world is going to end next Tuesday only it never happens. In other words, he’s the kind of scam artist his base is already used to.

It's the end, I tell ya!

I heard they are coordinating the indictment day with the day Trump is being booked. It’s all bad news for him at this point.

For R331.

Daily Mail claims there's a letter from Cohen stating that Trump did not pay him the $130,000. Now I have no idea what that means. I do not trust the Mail but I do check to see what line of bullshit they peddle from time to time.

R334, the letter is not from Cohen. It is from Cohen’s attorney in 2018, and repeats what Cohen subsequently testified were lies Cohen asserted on Trump’s behalf.

This is collapsing

R334, also, Trump admitted (on FOX, no less) that he authorized the payment to Stormy Daniels, even though Cohen had been claiming that he had paid her off of his own initiative, so we know that this “smoking gun” letter in nonsense.

[quote]This is collapsing

It's an American court. Shit takes time. I know you can't understand that from your trollfarm cubicle in Irkutsk, but it does.

The wheels of justice grind slow and particularly fine.

[quote]This is collapsing

It sure is. Everything is collapsing right in on Klangerine.

(That is what you meant, isn't it?)

And now this. Hee hee.

[quote]This is collapsing

Apparently Trump begged Bragg not to indict him? I'm sure that worked.

I guess the shit Republicans grew so accustomed to glaring corruption of the Aileen Cannon variety that they expect every other legal system to operate like that pile of shit down in Florida.

So is this indictment going to happen or not? Can anyone explain what's going on? I thought they had it in the bag.

R344, what’s going on is that Trump is trying to manipulate the news cycle. HE obviously understands that something is about to happen because by creating this fuss he is pushing his followers to attack Alvin Bragg and the people who work for him.

Thanks for answering, r345. So it WILL happen, definitely? What is the delay all about?

Bragg seems like he'd be intimidated by Trump and all the attacks and who knows what kind of threats and pressure he is getting behind the scenes. If he had balls he'd out Trump, Trump by talking louder and pushing back hard.

R346, former federal prosecutor Glen Kerschner says there is typically a period of time between when the grand jury votes for indictment and when the arrest/arraignment occurs. It's unlikely both will happen on the same day. So, even if the jury votes to indict tomorrow, it may be next week before they actually arrange to have Trump arrested or surrender himself.

With all of these investigations stalled, I see the Bragg case being taken over by Mr. Smith.

[quote]Thanks for answering, [R345]. So it WILL happen, definitely? What is the delay all about?

What delay? There's been no announcement from the prosecutor as to any sort of timetable. Trump set up this expectation, and you're dancing on his strings.

R349. There’s no investigation that is “stalled.” What are you mumbling about.

And, don’t you know the difference between a County D.A. and a federal special counsel—they operate in separate jdx …

The NYPD also danced to Trump's worthless tune by putting up crush barriers on Monday.

How smug and powerful Trump must feel in wasting manpower and time thus. Because his cretin ego sought somehow to control the narrative.

It's immeasurably to be hoped that justice is served on this grotesque - before the narrative of history rips him apart for decades to follow.

I hope he noticeably shits his diaper in front of the media as they perp walk him in.

That’s the thing.

1) he’s raised almost 2 million off of this.

2) 24/7 coverage on all media platforms

3) solidified support with the party (at least publicly)

4) drummed up interest in the base/his people

5) played Martyr

He was brilliant for doing this and the media fell for it.

Even IF he is indicted.

Ugh. No good can come of this.

I don't care if he gets more money or support, I want his criminal ass in court, and if convicted, jailed. His MAGATs have wasted their money on him for years, let them be poorer. And he'll still lose.

An indictment will come from Manhattan, but not on Trump's imaginary timeline.

The bigger story, though, and the one that's really going to nail his lard ass, is the classified documents case. His attorney is now fucked.

^ agreed.

Not today

NY may be waiting for GA to pull the trigger...

As much as I want to see the fucker get his due, another part of me is enjoying him stewing in fear and self-pity. The "will it be today or not" scenario plus all his online sycophants making complete fools of himself.

The $2M raised is pointless. Those "cousin-fuckers" (thanks Tucker) will still send him $$$ when he is locked up. A fool and his money....

[quote]He was brilliant for doing this

What? No he wasn't. A handful of people showed up at the "protest," he didn't get any real support from the usual rightwing television pundits, even the online trolls only managed a weak "Bragg is withholding 600 documents showing Trump is innocent!" without anything to back it up, not even the usual fakery they post. And I don't know what you're talking about with the party solidifying their support of Trump, they've done no such thing.

What this has done is made people used to the idea of Trump getting arrested. They've been expecting it for a while, and it won't be a shock if/when it happens.

This orange trash bag is like an idiot savant. He does one thing fantastically well, playing the media and getting them to do all his PR work for free. All of his grifting begins with his free press. He has raised 2 mil off of his impending possible indictment, and going strong.

Thank God for Datalounge. Where else would we see "lifelong Democrats" suck Trump off with post after post raving about how he's "going strong" and a "genius" who grifts "fantastically well"?

Very often the “lifelong Democrat” is the fat nosed Pittsburgh gay doing what republicans do 24/7 — lying.

[quote]NY may be waiting for GA to pull the trigger...

That would be a good thing, I think, but I doubt whether it factors into Alvin Bragg's consideration.

My guess is they will meet Monday and if the grand jury votes to indict, then Trump will be told Monday. It’s embarrassing that Trump can still manipulate Republicans to fight for him with his lies.

Dan Abram’s NewsNation says this is a big nothingburger and politically motivated. The attorneys are all saying this is the weakest case they’ve ever seen and Bragg has a lot of credibility issues. They also want to know why it’s taken so many years for them to bring charges.

[quote] former federal prosecutor Glen Kerschner

We don’t do Glen Kerechner after Robert Wone.

[quote] former federal prosecutor Glen Kerschner

We don’t do Glen Kerschner after Robert Wone.

Not all attorneys are saying it’s a weak case. Michael Cohen already did time for arranging it, so why shouldn’t Trump do time for directing it?

And if Obama or Hillary did this, a bribe before an election, the Republicans would be calling for their imprisonment.

Jack Smith isn't one to fuck with.

R374- Meant to add from what I am reading he isn't .

r369 r370 r371

[quote]Jack Smith isn't one to fuck with.

Wasn’t the same said of Robert Mueller?

You mean this little piggy, R365?

R374, that's what they said about Mueller. How meticulous, how tough, how determined and focused and Integrity, etc. Right now I am tamping down my expectations. We have been through a lot with the Orange Shitgibbon. A lot. He deserves to be in prison. But he isn't. All the predictions, all the assurances, for years now. Seriously.

He took documents that should have gone to the National archives to Mar-A-Lago. Fine. We have since learned that Biden and Pence also had some documents. They checked,found them, and returned them. Trump deliberately took classified documents and lied. He had his lawyers lie. He hid them from federal agents. He was so non cooperative, finally, they had to get a subpoena and raid his home. (It was a raid, no matter how polite the Federal agents were.)

We have audio tapes of him strong arming election officials including the Secretary of State for Georgia, and the Georgia Legislature's Speaker of the House to fix the votes so he could "win" Georgia in 2020. He plotted to have a false slate of Electors confirm his election in 2021. We have him on live TV inciting an insurrection, the culmination of weeks of plotting and scheming, pressuring his VP,etc.

And he is still out here making speeches, holding News conferences, raising money, ...and inciting violence. It doesn't matter if only 50 people showed up. It only takes one guy with an AR-15 to do some serious damage because of Trump. I hate him. I am over it. I want him gone. Out of politics. And all those fuckers who supported his seditious conspiracy still sitting in Congress need to be gone too. Expelled.

I wonder how Weisselberg feels about spending even more time behind bars now that he's gotten a taste of it..

I'm sick of it! Sick of it, you hear? I'm tired of the lies, and the betrayals , and the delays and the cowardice!!!!!

I spoke to DA Bragg and personally, singlehandedly exonerated trump with one phone call.

The only reason it hasn't been revealed yet is because this whole thing is keeping me off the front pages of the New York papers.

[quote] And if Obama or Hillary did this, a bribe before an election, the Republicans would be calling for their imprisonment.

They can call all they want to, but fortunately for Hillary, she’s always been able to evade imprisonment for her actions, so she would be okay.

Please shit in my mouth!

[QUOTE] We don’t do Glen Kerschner after Robert Wone.

What did Glen do?

I was living right around the corner from the infamous townhouse on Swann Street when that murder happened. I used to see Dylan (who was the “third” in the throuple) out at bars.

You people afraid of his power and influence haven't learned from the "red wave" that never was. Most people aren't watching the news all day and they don't want Trump's bullshit back in the WH. He is soundly rejected by moderates/independents who refuse to vote for his candidates. I guess what happened in MI, AZ and PA hasn't sunk in.

No one wants MAGA rule in this country. Most of the people look at MTG as the stupid, crazy, dogshit hick she truly is. McCarthy had to give up all of his power because of the crazies. The general election voter is not looking for these lunatic terrorists to rule over the country.

Even on Twitter among the rabid right wing types, Trump is daily losing his cachet.

His lack of support for the Jan 6 rioters has his base rattled. They see they he could have issued a blanket pardon and didn't and that he has done nothing since.

The anti-vaxxers see him as pro-vax.

The trading cards alienated a lot of people. He hyped up the PR announcement and they were expected a VP pick, not another cash grab.

Lastly his attacks on DeSantis are riling those who think RDS can deliver Trump's policies without being, well, Trump. The general response is "I have loyalty to the country, not to Trump." It doesn't help that Trump's real hard-core supporters are accusing RDS supporters of high treason.

[quote]Even on Twitter among the rabid right wing types, Trump is daily losing his cachet.

And yet:

The results of a Monmouth University poll released Tuesday showed Trump leading DeSantis by 14 points, 41 percent to 27 percent, when respondents were asked who they want to see win the GOP nomination. That’s a major improvement for Trump from Monmouth’s poll last month that found him and DeSantis tied at 33 percent each.

What R369 says...

When I reached out to my MAGA cousin to wish her a merry Xmas, she's downshifted into "well, everybody in DC is corrupt." I think they've already kind of moved on from Trump, but they'll never, ever admit they got snookered by a con man. Just like Republican voters basically pretended like they had nothing to do with George Bush after the debacles of the Iraq War, Hurricane Katrina, and the 2008 crashing of the economy.

[quote] You people afraid of his power and influence haven't learned from the "red wave" that never was. Most people aren't watching the news all day and they don't want Trump's bullshit back in the WH.

Honey, Americans have very short attention spans and forget and half the country would vote for this guy again in a heartbeat.

R391, he has yet to get half the country to vote for him.

[quote]Dan Abram’s NewsNation

How did he find the time to comment with every cops cock in his mouth? Anyone who watches his cop show knows that Abrams has lost credibility as an attorney. His commentary shows how low he has sunk. Funny how he speaks of people on that show being guilty before he has seen the actual evidence, yet he has no idea about the evidence Bragg has and already knows it's weak. Did he say it was wrong Cohen went to prison?

Mark Pomerantz was sworn in as a special assistant DA specifically to look at this case, because he is so highly respected. He ***saw the evidence*** and QUIT because Bragg was not going to prosecute at that time. Who do you think the legal community respects more? Dan Abrams or Mark Pomerantz? And then consider that only the latter has actually seen the evidence.

[quote] Dan Abram’s NewsNation says this is a big nothingburger and politically motivated. The attorneys are all saying this is the weakest case they’ve ever seen and Bragg has a lot of credibility issues.

Not to mention the Department of Justice had looked at the same charges and found nothing, as did the Federal Election Commission.

[quote]Not to mention the Department of Justice had looked at the same charges and found nothing, as did the Federal Election Commission.

Thank you for confirming you're a fucking idiot who knows absolutely nothing. Remind us who headed up the DOJ at the time and remind us who Geoff Berman is. Did you pay attention at all to WHY the case was dropped? Are you a troll or really stupid and don't what actually happened?

know*

Read Berman's book in regards to what happened at the DOJ, you human speedbump. Trump --through Barr-- weaponized the DOJ, that's why cases involving Trump's buddies were dropped, too.

[quote]Wasn’t the same said of Robert Mueller?

Do we have to explain that to you again, r377?

[quote]Not to mention the Department of Justice had looked at the same charges and found nothing,

They didn't "find nothing", shithead, the investigation was stopped by Barr before it could reach any conclusion.

Barr has been out of office for quite some time

[quote] No one wants MAGA rule in this country.

Tell me you live in the bubble without saying you live in the bubble.

Whether we like it or not, there are large swaths of the country that want MAGA rule.

[quote]you human speedbump.

🤣🤣

This is all so goddamned exhausting...

Only if your narcissism compels you to insert yourself into the drama.

(..^..)

[quote]Tell me you live in the bubble without saying you live in the bubble.

Tell me you don't understand I'm talking about the presidency vs pockets of inbred turds in a GA district...

The only reason the House itself is even (barely) controlled by the GOP is because of badly drawn maps in NY and CA.

So next week?

[quote]So next week?

Next week works for me.

How is Trump’s asking House Republicans to interfere with Bragg’s investigation not, by itself, illegal? He’s just an endless one-man crime wave.

[quote]So next week?

[quote]Next week works for me.

I'll have to shuffle a couple of things around, but yeah, next week works for me too.

Tuesday, 7pm SHARP!

R411

I have a feeling tomorrow will be a very good day

You know I don't like these delays. And I don't like Trump talking like he's got some strategy and he's winning. They're up to something. Indict that motherfucker. Do it tomorrow. Period.WTF.

R414: please keep in mind that courts generally tend to move at a glacial pace.

Or to put it another way: if you're going after the king you'd better not fucking miss.

Is elon musk paying him for high twitter traffic? Trump is batshit crazy.

Building this case is like building a ship in a bottle.

I'm hearing there could be some evidence in the documents case that could be lethal to Trumpito, like violating the Espionage Act lethal.

Did Trump actually say on which Tuesday he was getting arrested?

I was in the midtown area today and they have locked up all the mailboxes right by trump tower.

[quote]Did Trump actually say on which Tuesday he was getting arrested?

The second Tuesday of next week.

It’s on see you next Tuesday

[quote]Did Trump actually say on which Tuesday he was getting arrested?

Trump would gladly pay you Tuesday for a McDonald's hamburger today.

r418, the warrant for the search and seizure of Mar-a-Lago documents was issued, with Judicial approval, under THE ESPIONAGE ACT, and two other statutes.

Read the Congressional explanation.

The indictment will include all of these violations AND the obstruction additions.

If the delays result in the likes of Gym Jordan eventually facing obstruction of justice charges in NYC it will all be worth it.

R406. You clearly don’t know anything about congressional maps of CA and how they are determined.

Well, I don't like this. Trump did a midnight (or past midnight) post inciting violence towards Bragg and proclaiming his innocence. He is innocent! And the chorus of his Sedition Caucus and others have joined in a full-throated protest all aimed at unjust prosecution and his innocence. And that chorus is building, getting louder every day, more participants, and Trump more deranged than ever inciting violence. These delays are very bad. They need to indict him. It looks as if they are indecisive. Timid. Afraid. If you have the evidence, indict that fucker and stop delaying it. The longer they postpone it the worse it gets.

R427, no. To say “the delays are very bad” is to accept Trump’s framing of the issue. There’s only a “delay” because Trump says there is. He can’t be allowed to dictate reality.

The DA should definitely be adding obstruction charges based on these tweets and the actions of the likes of Gym Jordan.

The Republicans lose everyone when they say he is innocent. The man is being investigated for multiple crimes. No one in the public thinks he is innocent. Most would happily vote to convict him.

He posted between 1 AM and 2 AM this morning predicting "death and destruction" if he's arrested.

How is this not incitement to riot?!

DA Bragg...looking at you.

I wonder if the Grand Jurors are scared and thinking about backing away from an indictment? Is that what's causing the delays? All these threats are having some effect.

R427, you saw what happened to some Proud Boys when they tried to fuck with NYC Drag Queens, right? What do you think will happen if anything should happen to the NYC black prosecutor, if some white trash bags of shit --on orders from his orange dogshit racist leader-- tries to fuck with NYC under even more serious circumstances?

Does Trump honestly think violent death threats will get him more support? People outside of his cockroaches are fucking tired of his shit. Tired of it.

R433 No. They're anonymous and they're protected. The Manhattan DA knows how to safeguard grand juries.

All this bloviating is coming from Trump, not the DA, not the grand jury.

He's trying to stir doubt and unrest. Best to simply ignore him.

R425 I haven't heard anything about Jordan's interference with the NY case (or maybe I have and I'm not connecting the dots since there's so much Trump legal news flushing out at the moment).

Can you give a quick explanation as to what he did and what he can be charged with ? Thanks ! Not a Gym Jordan fan AT ALL - so this would be rather interesting.

R436 Here ya go. And Bragg told him to fuck the hell off.

[QUOTE] I wonder if the Grand Jurors are scared and thinking about backing away from an indictment? Is that what's causing the delays? All these threats are having some effect.

Why would they be? Have you ever served on a Grand Jury? They’re completely anonymous. No one knows you’re doing it and you are not supposed to discuss the cases you’ve seen with anyone ever, even after you’ve been released at the end of the GJ.

I was on a Grand Jury and we didn't discuss any of the cases among ourselves during breaks or lunch. Everything stayed in the room.

Meadows, other top Trump aides ordered to testify in Jan. 6 probe as judge rejects claims of executive privilege.

Mark Meadows is a piece of shit.

Trump is now the little boy who cried wolf. There has been no indication that anyone is going to cause death and destruction over his fat ass. The J6 crowd is over him because he hung them out to dry and didn’t help them.

R441, ITA !!! In fact, as I consider things, I feel like long after Trump has ceased to be any kind of threat, Meadows and Flynn are the two most evil dangerous men in his cabal. I'd also name Roger Stone but he is older than Trump. Meadows has been a Neo Fascist POS scumbucket since the 90's when he was one of the founders of the Tea Party movement. He is vile and he makes my skin crawl. I bet if they look for it they will find out he is a sexual deviate.

Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum!!!

Roger Stone is 9 years younger than Trump.

Excuse me but Roger Stone is 6 years younger than Klangerine Tampon!

Suspicious white powder sent to DA

[quote]Why would they be? Have you ever served on a Grand Jury? They’re completely anonymous. No one knows you’re doing it and you are not supposed to discuss the cases you’ve seen with anyone ever, even after you’ve been released at the end of the GJ.

There are a lot of things that are supposed to be kept completely secret and protected, like tax forms, passwords, medical history, etc., and yet we've seen many cases of these things being leaked and exposed online. It's ridiculous to say that no one will ever know who sat on this grand jury. They are smart if they consider that they could be exposed.

[quote]He posted between 1 AM and 2 AM this morning predicting "death and destruction" if he's arrested.

I think he's wildly exaggerating and there won't be death and destruction, but I am concerned about this watershed moment if Democrats go ahead with this.

R449 This isn't a "Democrat" thing. It's a thing about adhering to the rule of law, and that's precisely why it must go ahead, regardless of any threats incited by that stinking orange pustule.

Death threat to Alvin Bragg.

Suspicious package with white powder sent to Sen. Rand Paul's Kentucky home The envelope was being investigated by the FBI and Capitol Police. Officials said Initial tests determined the powder was not hazardous.

Kari Lake’s campaign headquarters receives ‘suspicious’ mail containing white powder By Michelle Watson, Kyung Lah and Anna-Maja Rappard, CNN Updated 11:32 PM EST, Sun November 6, 2022

CARTHAGE, N.C. (WTVD) -- A HAZMAT team from Fayetteville responded after a man walked into the Carthage Police and Fire Department complex with white powder in a resealable bag.

A resident received the package containing the powder and took it to police headquarters.

The package was taken outside the building, put on the ground, and the area was sealed off.

“DROP DEAD”: White Powder Package Sent to Rep. Weiner's Office Preliminary field tests show white powder is harmless

And still no casualties.

[quote]but I am concerned about this watershed moment if Democrats go ahead with this.

Come again.

[quote] This isn't a "Democrat" thing. It's a thing about adhering to the rule of law

You can repeat that line until the cows come home and it won't change one bit that it's a Democratic prosecutor in a deep blue city (with a grand jury that no doubt matches that) indicting and taking out the leading candidate for the nomination of the other party in the next presidential election. That's a watershed moment.

R449, yes, this is all about the Democrats going after Trump, right? So it's ok if he steals $130,000 (that we know of) from his supporters who thought they were donating to his Presidential Campaign, and instead gives it to a prostitute so she will remain silent about him fucking around with her And those nasty old Democrats have a lot of damned nerve going after him for calling the Secretary of State in Georgia, and other s in Georgia and pressuring them to find him extra votes so he could "win" the election. And how dare the Democrats go after him for stealing (yes) classified documents, then lying about it, and forcing his lawyers to lie, and requiring a subpoena and an FBI raid to get them back. And planning an insurrection, pressuring his VP to break the law, and inciting violence on January 6th 2021, to stop the proper function of government and attempting to block the certification of votes in a Presidential election.

r455, you're doing a straw man argument. I never said anything he did was "ok".

We can see from your posting history exactly where you stand, R456.

It happens in our legal system that people commit crimes and the prosecutor declines to prosecute. That's the concept of "prosecutorial discretion". Not prosecuting doesn't mean the perpetrator is not guilty.

[quote]I think he's wildly exaggerating and there won't be death and destruction, but I am concerned about this watershed moment if Democrats go ahead with this.

R449 = Susan Collins

Even if his deplorable shithead cult members don't lash out and commit violence, Trump's inciting of them probably has triggered many people who were working in the Capitol on 1/6, including the police. No doubt some of them still have PTSD.

Trump is such a vile, evil POS. It'll be a great day when he dies.

We all remember when Trump's thugs called in a bomb threat to Lisa Bloom when she was representing the woman who was underaged when Trump raped her (she said).

Very effective, in that case. Of course, he'll try it again.

Waiting for the inevitable NYT editorial about why indicting Dump is a bad idea.

More absolute insanity:

"Dear Mr. Bragg, how would you like to be in Donald Trump's shoes? His torture brings to mind what Jesus Christ went through to save us."

^ Why didn't more of those fools die from Covid?

R463- That is what his murderous cult said about Manson .

If he wants to cosplay Jesus, does that mean we nail the fat fuck to a cross?

Bragg received an envelope with "Alvin" on it. It contained a note that said..."Alvin -- I'm gonna kill you!"....containing white powder.

I shudder to think about his rally in Waco tomorrow.

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Brag received a death threat letter with white powder.

It’s the prosecutor in the City the creep committed the crime R456. It jurisdictional not partisan.

Whatever will we do if this sets a precedent that politicians can't get away with illegally paying hush money to porn stars?

Trump hates America. His secret service detail must hate him and other than quitting, they're stuck.

R461, for three days running Russian e-mail accounts have sent bomb threats to the Manhattan D.A.’s office.

Bomb threats to schools.

If he is indicted I guarantee his supporters won’t do Jack shit, except for a lone wolf perhaps. That’s the upshot of having prosecuted all those J6 traitors.

R454 doubles down on the "it's a Democrat prosecution," then uses the term "strawman," a favorite of the MAGA cult.

Yeah, go fuck yourself, MAGA fuckhead. Take it to "Truth" Social where they'll think you're a genius.

They're not taking this well in The Villages.

[quote] They're not taking this well in The Villages.

Likely because they are fucking insane.

Why are these “family value” Republicans in such a panic over prosecution for him paying off a porn star to keep quiet? Do they not give a shit about Melania? Are they now embracing affairs? It’s mind—boggling that they still support Trump, who is a piece of shit.

Queen of the Cunts

Elise looks like the unpopular girl who thinks she’s the queen of the prom now.

It’s pathetic that they are so easily manipulated by Trump and his blatant racism.

Marjorie Taylor Greene tried to speak to the media outside the DC jail where the Jan 6th rioters are being held and someone blew a whistle the entire time. Love that person.

President of Iraq is just a couple of blocks away in midtown, he's here for 2 days. the whole block is blocked off, lots of security

r482, do you have video of that? I would LOVE to see that.

Hey guess where the bomb threats came from.

No really, take a wild fucking guess.

[quote]do you have video of that? I would LOVE to see that.

Ask, and it shall be given you.

To the complete shit-for-brains who thinks it's "Democrats" doing this to Trump, let me just tell you on behalf of every NYer who has observed the despicable, criminal Trump brood for decades, to unkindly fuck yourself with a rusty, heated spike.

There are poor people selling churros in the subways without a license who get arrested, so WTF do you think that criminal Nazi filth should keep getting away with every fucking thing he has ever done in his life?

I pray that a fucking meteor lands on Waco when that fucking asshole has his klan feedlot rally and takes out every low IQ, criminal flying monkeys who shows up to pray to their orange dogshit.

MTG -being typical of her garbage ilk- thinks someone blowing a whistle should be arrested, but going to kill MoC and that coward VP, should be treated as some harmless rapscallions being persecuted. Fucking ugly neanderthal bitch.

The letter with the powder/death threat is postmarked "Orlando, FL"

Did Large Marge provide conjugal favors to the 1/6 insurrectionists?

R490, just check to see if she had her knee pads with her.

R487, marry me!

R486 Paid protesters? Haven’t heard that one in a while!

So today, the Seditionists visited the Insurrectionists in prison.

Waiting for them to switch places.

Google it. It's there...

Oops...in response for the link of MTG up thread. Not all comments loaded.^

I wonder what fresh new hell today will bring. Where is a Texas tornado when you need it?

This seems like deja vu. It seems like it happened with him before. I'm not sure if it was during the impeachment process or some other criminal behavior, but I seem to recall him staging a rally at a very inappropriate time and feeling angry and frustrated because he should have been facing consequences for his behavior not having a rally. Trump has a definite pattern of attack when he is under fire. I am really pissed off that he hasn't been indicted yet. Really pissed. The damned evidence is pretty clear. Garland is dithering, Bragg and the Grand Jury are MIA, and Smith is "investigating." It's like investigating is the new term for stalling.

I totally get that the wheels of justice move slowly, and I absolutely think the Georgia and Jan. 6 charges need to be done very carefully and thoroughly, since they are incredibly serious allegations. But the NY one is aggravating. They had four years of Dump’s administration plus two years while he’s been out of office. It seems like a simple case, and I just feel six years is plenty of time.

[quote]The letter with the powder/death threat is postmarked "Orlando, FL"

Somebody better check Goofy's whereabouts the day it was mailed.

[quote] The letter with the powder/death threat is postmarked "Orlando, FL"

Probably history repeating itself. Check the flying schools for middle eastern students who don't ask how to land.

R501, WTF are you even talking about?

Oh, nevermind. I checked your posting history. You're the MAGAT. I know it's difficult for you to accept the terrorist threat these days is from white Christians who worship orange, criminal, scumbag, terrorist trash

Seems like Trump will be screaming and ranting until the day they put him in jail or a looney bin. Republicans must relate to his obnoxious personality because he will lose again in 2024. They can’t get enough of their fat mascot.

[quote]Did Large Marge provide conjugal favors to the 1/6 insurrectionists?

No, but that would make a fucking awesome AI-generated graphic.

I’m still waiting.

They should wait until Trump has eliminated his rivals in the Primaries. The boom! One indictment after another. Hilarious.

No, R507, they should indict him now .

They should indict him like...many yesterdays ago.

His indictments should fall on him like a boulder. The only problem with prosecutors in multiple jurisdictions is arranging his physical presence in so many concurrent courts.

They can deal with it.

I wonder who is going to arrest him first?

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Cuomo coming to the rescue at R511:

Now top Dem comes out against NYC DA's Trump probe: Former Empire State Governor Andrew Cuomo says rumored indictment is 'all politics' and that Bragg 'could indict a ham sandwich' if he wanted to

Too late Cuomo. This is not like a wedding.

Trump posted this on his shitty social media platform:

In addition to Cuomo:

Maher -- "I just would like to go on record in saying I think this is a colossal mistake if they bring these charges. Not this one, you know. I mean, yes, he's done a lot of bad things, and I'm sure he did this — everything they accused him of [doing], he did. But first of all, it's not gonna work. It's gonna be rocket fuel for his 2024 campaign. And it's just gonna look to MAGA nation like, 'Oh, you know, you tried with Mueller, you tried with Ukraine, you tried with January 6. Now we go to the porn star? Really? You're down to that?!"

The Atlantic staff writer Annie Lowrey agreed, saying Trump's popularity has only gone up in recent weeks, particularly in GOP primary polls where he has had a substantial gain over his likely rival Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

"I think that we've seen in, you know, the past however many years at this point that the more attention is on heavy regardless of what that attention is about, the more the circus has him in the center of its rings, the better he tends to do," Lowrey said.

NYU professor Scott Galloway said if an indictment comes, "𝑖𝑡'𝑠 𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑎 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑝 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑒, 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑎 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑝 𝑤𝑎𝑙𝑘."

Eh Cuomo is just worried about what he might be tried for if politicians are held accountable for their actions in New York. There were criminal charges in the Flynt case.

R515, those people are fools. There needs to be equal justice in this country; it can't depend on how well someone is doing in GOP primary polls in Florida. Besides, one of the reasons Trump's performance is improving is that DeSantis is demonstrating that he's not ready for prime time. That's not Bragg's fault.

The “We shouldn’t prosecute him because it will just make him more popular” is a preposterous argument.

They said that for the J6 Committee and Trump definitely dropped.

An indictment may make make Trump temporarily more popular but then he will have the stank of a criminal defendant. Add in indictments from Georgia and Jack Smith, and then his whole campaign will fall apart.

What will be the reaction of the public if they fail to indicate him? People like us who have waited for six years to see this bastard answer for his crimes?

Look. Everyone knows how Trump acts. They know his strategy under fire. He is transparent. Anyone can script it. So why the fuck are they doing this? All these delays allow him to go out here playing victim which he loves and rallying his base, and allowing assholes like Cuomo and Maher and the pundits to bloviate on the merits of prosecuting criminal behavior. Trump should have been indicted and his lawyers notified maybe two hours before, for the heads up.

Fuck Trump, but also fuck all these so called lawyers and officials who are not enforcing the law. Merrick Garland is #1. I can't even describe how much I hate Trump, but my anger is fueled by the timidity and the weakness of our law enforcement/criminal "justice" community. This country is witnessing incredible corruption not just by people like Trump and his gang, but from the people who can do something about it and they do nothing. Oh, wait. They "investigate."

Totally agree, R522.

Bill Barr alone having not been (at the very least) disbarred, shows you how corrupt the justice system is. When SDNY wanted to look into the case, he obstructed the investigation. One of many, many, many examples of him having *weaponized* the DOJ and yet? He gets interviewed by the media like anyone should give a shit what he thinks/says when he should be charged for corruption. He had US Attorneys willing to play along and he had others who wouldn't and they were fired.

And I agree about Garland. Explain to me why it took over a year for him to even get a special counsel for Trump who knowingly took files, but it took him five minutes to do the same for Biden when we all know Biden's case (and even Pence's case) were accidental and not nefarious, because any normal humanbeing knows Trump is just absolute filth. Why didn't it take Garland a year to decide on Biden? Why does Trump get that privilege, but Biden didn't and give the impression that these two situations are the same?

And then to further coddle the flying monkeys, he chooses a Trump-appointed, Fed. Society-associated special prosecutor, because Garland will bend over backwards for the right-wing and still, the flying monkeys call this Rob Hur person a"RINO." Garland is a coward and that's what it comes down to. Stop trying to tell us that the legal system moves slowly when we all know that there are citizens who treated as though they are above the law. I don't want to hear it anymore about him waiting, because the appointment of special counsel for Biden rather than wait a year to "investigate," showed it isn't about being "measured."

Look. I was over Garland because of the way he approached the entire aftermath of January 6th. I'm talking about the planners and financing. I am not in government. I'm no insider. But it was obvious to me when they started arresting people from different states, some as far away as Hawaii, that this was organized. And the way they organized it was through every states Republican Party organizations. They had financing, they had housing and transportation groups they had lawyers for Trump, etc. This was no spontaneous demonstration that got out of hand. And the people who financed it and organized it didn't do it independently it was coordinated with a central group. Yet FLynn, Stone, Bannon, Meadows, Giuliani are out here ding interviews, broadcasting podcasts , making speeches, fundraising, holding rallies, etc. Even endorsing political candidates. Now the Sedition Caucus is running the House. This is unacceptable. More people ought to be angry and outraged and be at a zero tolerance point.

You want to be outraged? Mike Flynn still collects a military pension from the taxpayers and his fucking brother is still a high-ranking member of the military when we all know that fucker knew what was going on and didn't want to send help.

Russia and China are responsible for much of this. They have corrupted every branch of government. They have used troll farms and SM to divide us and cause chaos. The republican party sold American democracy to them.

Also, r524, I don't think there are any active investigations of anyone in Congress, or any of the other scumbags you mentioned.

That's a fucking disgrace.

I suspect that Rudy and Meadows are both under investigation by Jack Smith and Fulton County DA Fani Willis. There is simply no way that Rudy comes out of this unscathed. He was the instigator for many of these idiotic schemes — which tRump went along with willingly.

Why do you guys even care anymore?

Obviously Biden doesn't. He could remove Garland at any time and appoint someone who will actually follow the law but he chooses not to.

Biden's between a rock and a hard place with Garland. He absolutely does not want to be seen to be interfering with the Department of Justice. Period. That is iron clad. Now he might be extremely "concerned" about Garland's slow pace, etc. but if he fires Garland it's bad for him and leaving him in place is the least of two evils for now. I am hoping the two have their private talks, the ones we don't hear about, and Garland announces his retirement for health reasons. I'd love for Justice Roberts to do likewise.

R529, you obviously do not know how government works. Trump shit all over everything and people believe that THAT is the way government works. Biden is expected, as all Presidents not named Trump, to keep his hands off of the DoJ.

[quote] Biden is expected, as all Presidents not named Trump, to keep his hands off of the DoJ.

I hope the next president gives the country a civics lesson by teaching everyone that the Justice department is not an independent fourth branch of government. The president is the ultimate head of the DoJ, as he is of all the departments. The Attorney General must faithfully execute the laws of the U.S. and implement the policies of the president, the same as every other cabinet secretary. It’s crazy to think that the AG should do whatever he wants. We wouldn’t let the unelected secretaries of Defense, State, Treasury do whatever they want, and our system isn’t supposed to let the AG do so either.

R532, tell that to Bobby Kennedy.

Editorial from the NYTimes

Ah, yes—y’all know the legal system better than the best government lawyers, the ones actually working on these cases.

You aren’t lawyers, so stop mouthing off about things you don’t know to be true. I am a lawyer, but not with any white collar or other relevant Crim experience—so I don’t mouth off…I do spend time actually reading and learning about what might actually be happening rather than what my fervent wet dreams tell me.

[quote] the best government lawyers, the ones actually working on these cases.

Or if not the best, at least those who hope someday to get the democratic nomination for governor

Here's the thing. The DoD, the State Department, and the DoJ etc. all Cabinet secretaries are nominated by the President and approved by the Senate, but they swear an oath to the Constitution. The President usually chooses someone who shares his views, in a broad sense, but they also bring a particular expertise and a point of view separate from him. All cabinet members meet regularly with the PResident to discuss what's going on etc. It's a give and take and they won't always agree.Some cabinets are "rubber stamps" but a good cabinet is not. Joe may ask the Homeland Security Department for recommendations, the DHS will come up with a suggested plan, then they'll hash it out.

IMO, if Biden told Garland he wanted the January 6th Insurrection vigorously prosecuted and dealt with harshly, then Garland would do it. If Joe said, "We're not going to do to them what they'd do to us. We're going to take the high road and show America how it's supposed to be. Set an example. Not revenge, but justice. etc." Garland would interpret that and do exactly what he is doing. If Garland went to Joe and said, "It looks like this was bigger than we first thought and that it was planned and Trump was implicated." And Joe said, "Look, do what you have to do, but we want everything done according to the LAw, not vengeance. "

R537- So what be his reasoning for not going after Trump? Flynn? Bannon? Stone?

Didn't feel like it?

R538, while I think Garland is a punk, and his conservative leanings and timidity, his own personal political perspective, IMO prevented him from seeing the Insurrection for what it was, etc. I also think he interpreted Joe Biden's wishes wrongly. If Joe said "take the high road, follow the Law" it wouldn't surprise me to discover Garland took that to mean he could do exactly what he is doing. I would also safely bet Biden would ask him what was going on. Put it another way: Picture Eric Holder as Attorney General dealing with the Insurrection's aftermath, Bannon, Trump, Flynn, Meadows, Stone, etc.I think things would have been vastly different. I'd much rather have Holder in charge right now than Garland. Garland himself is not suited for his job. He can take all his so called rectitude and shove it up his ass.

R534. That was not a NYT editorial. That was an opinion piece. It is a distinction WITH a difference. Try to read and write more precisely, thanks.

R537. You are full of shit, to be blunt. You have no understanding of the unique role of the AG and the DOJ. The president would never attempt to insert himself in an ongoing investigation—and the AG would never accept it.

It is NOT like other cabinet depts…and your comment betrays your lack of understanding in this area.

R542- What is supposed to happen when the AG fails to do his job?

Prosecutorial discretion is NOT a failure to do the job? Do you understand the way things work? No, you don’t. Besides, he doesn’t make the decision here, the special counsel does. That’s why we have the alternative of making such an appointment in the first place—duh.

R544- You can take your contemptuous attitude and fuck yourself to death with it.

Girls, girls, you're both cunts.

No, R542 I am not "full of shit" and I'd appreciate it if we can have a discussion without attacks.I worked in Government for 30 years. I worked for a member of Congress for three years. (He's dead.) I am very familiar with government and with politics. I do understand the way it is "supposed to be" and the reality of how it is. Day to day circumstances and events can alter what is "supposed to be". Ideally, you are correct in describing how it is "supposed to be" but that is not how it works in day to day operation. Yes, DoJ has to be "above" politics, and function separately, because they have to mete out Justice without fear or favor, but that notion, is the ideal. The reality is slightly different. Barr showed us an extreme version of how political the DoJ can be, and maybe Garland is bending over backwards in showing us how clean and above board it should be. But even as he does that, he is being political. It is unavoidable. Every choice he makes is political. (small "P" ) . The Law is always subject to interpretation. A persons personal perspective, his biases, and his habits ingrained over decades will all affect how he interprets the Law. And that is political.

[quote]I worked for a member of Congress for three years. (He's dead.)

WHAT DID YOU DO THIS TIME?

I really do believe that the hesitation is due to the enormous implications of indicting a former president—at least, that’s what’s weighing on Garland and the DOJ. Now, my opinion? Dump’s crimes are on a par with Nixon’s, and Nixon would have certainly been indicted if he hadn’t been pardoned.

R542, while I understand where you’re coming from, presidents DID insert themselves before—that being Dump of course, and good ol’ Nixon. That said, Biden is not from their ilk, and I believe he would never do anything unethical like that.

But not holding trump accountable send a very dangerous message, imo.

R550, you're exactly right. All this bullshit about him being "a former President" should have absolutely no bearing on whether or not he is charged with crimes. Our leaders and oliticians love to proclaim, "No man is above the Law..." and yet we get this counter argument about Presidents.

I, too, think the delay is due to it being a former president. But also, there's Trump's rabid base and they, plus all the dishonest republicans in congress, will do their damndest to make this look political and totally unjust. This, plus the upcoming election, requires perfect timing. The indictments will probably be most effective if they come right when Trump is elbowing his way to the nomination. Right when the republican primaries are happening, so when he uses his scorched earth debate tactics against other republicans, they'll have a weapon to use to take him down.

I'm sorry but I just don't understand. What does this dangerous pos have to do to be arrested? He has spit on everything this country is suppose to stand for. It is unfathomable to me that hasn't been held accountable, and not only that is allowed to run for office again. Because of a small group of violent backwoods redneck racists? Rule of law? What rule of law? This makes our country look weak and corrupt. Because it is.

Yes, I agree, not holding Dump accountable is not an option. We did that with Nixon, which was a huge blunder.

He has been allowed to make a mockery of democracy.

R554 I agree. Pardoning Nixon and allowing him to elude any kind of justice was very wrong. I remember in 2001 when the Kennedy Profile in Courage Award was given to Gerald Ford for pardoning Nixon, under the excuse of it helped to heal the nation, I wanted to vomit. It demeaned the award itself.

[quote]dishonest republicans in congress, will do their damndest to make this look political and totally unjust. This, plus the upcoming election, requires perfect timing. The indictments will probably be most effective if they come right when Trump is elbowing his way to the nomination. Right when the republican primaries are happening, so when he uses his scorched earth debate tactics against other republicans, they'll have a weapon to use to take him down

Yeah, because that wouldn't make it look politically motivated. At all.

They'll make it look politically motivated no matter what. So might as well make it effective.

Get rid of Garland. This shit has gone on for too long. No matter what, everything will be screamed as politically motivated...whatever is done. So....at this point, after 3+ years after January 6, find someone who will do their job and be competent. Why is this "thing" still able to walk free, play golf and run as a candidate for POTUS '24, while still inflicting destruction on this country? I can't think of anyone, in US history who was/in power, that is this bad and treasonous. Even Nixon looks tame in comparison. Why doesn't Joe do the right thing? This is so beyond absurd.

Jesús H Christ. Garland is not driving this bus! The special counsel is the one in charge…

[quote]Barr showed us an extreme version of how political the DoJ can be

That's an understatement. The DOJ was treated as Trump's personal firm. Cases against his buddies were dropped. Barr corrupted the DOJ, it wasn't merely politicized to an extreme. He and Durham went to Italy to find something and ended up finding that it was Trump who had broken the law. Did they investigate that? No, they dropped it. That you've been in government for that long means you've rationalized glaring corruption because you were in a world where so much of it went on, so it's normal to you to be around so many people without a shred of decency.

Well...this bus is a clown bus now. The special counsel...whatever. Something should have been done long ago. They're just pushing this off to "special (fill in the titles), because they DON'T want to deal with this.

[quote]Jesús H Christ.

Get back to mowing the lawn.

The GJ reconvenes today.

He may or may not be indicted, but he is certainly burned.

^ Stormy is awesome.

Garland appointed this "Special Prosecutor" and took his damned time to do it. It also a dds an unnecessary layer and further delays while they keep "Investigating." We have Congress investigating too. A lot of fucking investigating. It's a damned cottage industry. Constant activity makes up f or a lack of progress? Fuck investigating. They have MORE than enough evidence to charge him and all his fucking cronies. All of them. TIming is important. THe fact that this is now bumping up to the 2024 PResidential election is unconscionable. Embarrassing? No shit. There is no reason in hell why Garland and the DoJ moved with glacial slowness to go after Trump and company. The son of a bitch should have been in the crosshairs with investigations on January 21st 2021. Fuck Garland. There is no reason for these delays. None. No excuse justifies this.

You know what? I have no respect for anyone who places so much confidence or whatever you want to call it, so much trust in institutions that have demonstrably failed us. We need to be much more agressive in demanding our government do what it ought to do!

Have any of the people subpoenaed by the Special Counsel showed up? I can't find any info on that.

R569, in the federal stolen/mishandled documents case, of course witnesses have testified. In the past week, Trump’s attorneys were ordered to testify.

Welp, we can’t do anything so close to an election! *shoulder shrugs*

It's simply cruel to keep letting us down after the emotional trauma we have and still endure from this psychopath.

r537, But you forget, unlike the failed businessman, Biden remains an attorney. He knows the law.

His hands-off approach to the DoJ is both traditional and brilliant.

R573 not saying Joe is wrong to have a "hands off policy." I am saying I think Garland is the wrong AG for the times.

R574, I still hold out hope for Sally Yates in the second term. Trump would already be in jail.

Mark Meadows

Leaked grand jury testimony....

I said before Garland won’t do anything, and got called Boris. Or Svetlana. I can’t remember.

[quote]I said before Garland won’t do anything, and got called Boris. Or Svetlana. I can’t remember.

Same thing happened to me when I used to post that Republican Mueller was not going to do anything to endanger the presidency of a Republican.

And I was correct.

r579...thats because Barr and Rosenstein obstructed his investigation and confined the rest

Mueller was free to speak to the press....yet....silence.

R581, no one disagrees that he was enabled along the way by "normal Republicans." Let's include complete cowards like John Kelly, Paul Ryan, Mattis, etc etc etc. What Mueller did is essentially put together a broken vase and was expecting DOJ to glue it together. Bill Barr took a sledgehammer to it.

To me, Bill Barr is the one whose tubby ass should be dragged in for his role in all of this. Corrupt swine. There should be legal organizations calling for his disbarment at the very least.

R582- Yet he hadn't had to answer for what he did. Nor have Stone, Bannon, Miller, Flynn and an entire list of others. Why?

R583, I'm with you. I don't know. They'd be in front of a firing squad already if it were up to me. As I said before, the fact that we taxpayers continue to provide a fucking terrorist with a military pension, is disgusting.

Flynn should've been called back up, then immediately court martialed. I'm guessing he wasn't because there are some in the military that think his behavior was just fine.

Barr, Rudy, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, and the rest of Trump's shyster lawyers should have all been disbarred. I also wonder why that hasn't happened.

I'm amazed to realize that diminutive even evil elf Jeff Sessions was a better AG than Barr. He probably would have resisted Trump's pressure to bend the DoJ to his will.

We should all be protesting in the streets. We have no affordable health care, rent. We have tent cities of homeless people on the streets. Another school shooting today. Third world prison conditions and the poor bring jailed for profit. Justice for sell and only for the wealthy and connected. No rule of law.

[quote]Flynn should've been called back up, then immediately court martialed. I'm guessing he wasn't because there are some in the military that think his behavior was just fine.

You forget his own brother's involvement. Want to know why there was no quick response to the riot?

True picture R587

Large scale protests will never happen here. We watched J6 happen, and are watching the author of the plan, declaring his run for President while the justice system ineffectually deals with his crimes. This should be enough to ignite large scale protests. Crickets.

Our culture sells us an image of America and its citizens, which is pure fantasy. We are mostly passive, waiting for things to be taken care of (congress, courts, etc.).

[quote] Large scale protests will never happen here.

A functioning democracy doesn’t need protests. If there is an issue people feel passionate about, they only need to organize and turn out the vote. The people in France do large scale protests only for the thrill. They know they could easily elect people in the next election to repeal the age increase. It’s like kicking a door down when you literally have the key to the door lock in your hand.

It’s another sign of how fucked up the French are. If you want to tear shit up, you tear up other people’s shit. The French, however, destroy their own neighborhoods and allow garbage to pile up on their own streets. Even a dog doesn’t shit where it eats, but the French would. Terrible people.

Indicted

Or to be clearer NY Grand Jury has voted to indict.

Lock him up!

Bragg tells Jordan and his Klan to go fuck themselves yet again.

NY DOJ rightly states that congress is currently acting more like a criminal defense counsel for a client rather than a legislative body trying to achieve a legitimate legislative objective.

My, my that was eloquent, R595

R595- Imagine a democratic trying to get away with that. You can't because it would never happen. The GOP work for Russia and China .

R597, exactly. The Extreme Right all over the world is ascendant. And because of the internet it's easier for them to have an impact. But behind all these so called movements are paid agents sowing chaos and division. It's deliberate, it's organized, and very layered, too. How many gun nuts, for example, know how much money the NRA gets from Russia? And that is just the overt stuff. There are dummy organizations fake groups out here agitating and mobilizing the gullible.

It was all helped along by the fear and anger Fox Media manipulates so effectively. Years ago, when Roger Ailes embarked on his journey at Fox, he said Fear & Rage were good for ratings and revenue and that is what they peddle so successfully. I always say the GOP weaponized the low information voters. A Russian operative once said, several years ago, that they targeting the GOP because it was so much easier. They readily admitted the GOP supporters were dumber. People look at Putin and think of Communism. But Putin never liked Communism. He felt it was inefficient and unrealistic. Also not as useful in controlling people. Putin is CONSERVATIVE. Authoritarian. He wants to restore RUssia to the old days before the break up of the Soviet Union. He favors an oligarchy. Weakening the United States and getting rid of NATO so he can dominate Europe, is one of his top goals. And he watches us with amusement. He sees the confusion, the corruption, the weakness, and he loves it.

R598- This should all over the media and internet, yet I haven't seen many discussions on SM about this.

But covering a story is different. That's when they stay on it and repeatedly report on it and any new developments. Exhaustively. Like "her e mails!"

I love, love, love that they used the [italic]Trump v. Mazars U.S., LLP[/italic] citation to basically say, "Fuck you and your bullshit subpoena!"

R600 here. I meant to say this was also in the Washington Post, R599. Havent seen it on TV. Of course the media thinks they satisfy their "balanced" requirement by just reporting a story. Reorting is one thing. Covering it exhaustively and repeatedly and looking for new angles is a different matter.