The Tale of The Ginger Murderer and Paw Paw Murdaugh, the deceased drunk. Part IV

If the investigation of Stephen Smith reveals the killer(s) and their motive, Buster may have gotten a girlfriend for nothing, y'all!

Thanks for the new thread!

Don't forget Maggie. "Maggie the cat is dead! I'm dead!!"

Okay, so legal proceedings can drag on and on and on... which case(s) move to the top of the proverbial list and which go nowhere?

Alex is facing another 99 cases, right?

The local, family-run bank is mixed up with Alex's shenanigans, so does that hit the courts?

The Beach family - will they get their financial settlement? Any judgment that Paul was indeed responsible for the crash/death?

Stephen Smith - will Buster and his no-homo friends be joining Daddy Murdaugh in the all-male showers of prison? "That Buster, he's a cutie! Bend that bitch ova fo me!" Will Daddy be forced to watch his son get violated?

And what of the Alex's remaining siblings, in-laws, nieces and nephews? Life go on for them as if nothing happened?

How far up the deeply corrupt SC political ladder could this go? Corrupt judges, corrupt law enforcement, corrupt lawyers and banks. Corrupt senators, perhaps?

Not finished yet. The housekeepers untimely death is being investigated.

R5, you shut your whore mouth!

The Beach family has already gotten a partial settlement from the proceeds from Maggie's estate (including the sale of Moselle).

The former bank president has been found guilty and his request for a new trial was denied.

Alex's family is publically supporting him (with the notable exceptions of Randy and Maggie's sister), but you have to believe that they are hounded by doubts.

Supposedly, SLED found new evidence linked to Stephen Smith while they were investigating the double murder at Moselle. That is why they reopened the case. I would love to know what it is they found.

It's not just the housekeeper who died mysteriously. Hakeem's life support was cut off just before Alex sent out a "May Day" email to the bank to get them to forge Hakeem's paperwork to show him as still being alive.

R7- Mizz Lindsey , you mind your manners! I am not one your little rent boys, sir!

The Governor of SC looks/talks like he was pulled right out of an 1850s plantation. I’m guessing the corruption goes all the way to the state house.

SLED seems like a clearinghouse for good ol boy corruption.

AM must know quite a bit of dirt on some of these people. I wonder if any of them are worried about Alex running his mouth.

I can understand civil suits for damages, but why continue with legal cases against Alex when he already has two consecutive life sentences? Don't they just not press criminal charges when the perpetrator's dead? Seems like it would be a waste of taxpayer dollars.

What if somehow he miraculously gets off on the murder conviction by some technicality? At least he'll have been convicted on the other charges.

It's to ensure he never sees the light of day as a free man again. And it's hardly a waste of taxpayer dollars. Those other crimes had victims too who deserve justice.

Stephen Smith’s mother crowdsourced the money to have him exhumed and an independent autopsy done.

Stephen Smith's mother seems very nice but she has been crowdsourcing so much, I do raise a gentle eyebrow.

R15 Investigators aren't cheap.

If I was Buster I would be so freaking paranoid. Wouldn’t want to anger daddy.

R17 Pa is in prison.

R18- Buster has probably been partying since the verdict was read.

I wonder if Buster stood by Alex during his murder trial so that Alex wouldn't sequel on him in the Stephen Smith case.

And maybe Buster hated his mother and brother too.

I can see Buster not liking Paul, but by most accounts, he was a mama's boy and Maggie doted on him.

Did Alex try to get Buster to come to Moselle that evening?

Buster, just seems weird to me. In one of the prison phone calls to Alex, Buster catches him up in a lie. He doesn't call Alex out on it, but he knows he's lying. Alex was talking about how the other inmates wanted his orange gym shoes, but in an earlier conversation he says he's in solitary, and has no contact with anyone. The other phone calls are odd too, because they're both speaking in code, about money, and Buster going hunting. There's probably a lot more despicable things to these people.

R24- Yes, it was obvious they were talking in code. I mean seriously, telling your son to go the place where his mother and brother were brutally murdered? Alex must have wanted/needed something very badly. Destroy evidence, retrieve a hidden money stash, etc.

We need some fresh movement in one of the cases to keep this thing going.

R26: I believe Alex will will be on the front pages again very soon. He will create some drama someway. He won't be ignored, Dan!

R18, Pa might be in prison but he probably has feelers throughout the community.

That's what I thought R25. Why in the world would you go hunting ( of all things) where your mother and brother were murdered. Maybe he wanted Buster to find and get rid of the weapons? Then a few days after the murders they all took a vacation and Buster and his uncle went to Vegas. Its really strange behavior and I wonder how much deeper and darker this goes.

What happened to Cousin Eddie? Is he going testify in the financial fraud cases? It's my belief that Alex was planning on killing Eddie that day . He was setting him up to make it look as if Eddie tried to kill him and was the killer of Paul and Maggie.

I've wondered about Cousin Eddie too. I was surprised that he didn't testify in AM trial. I believe He's going to testify in the trial for AM financial crimes. I think AM intended to kill or at least frame Cousin Eddie for Maggie and Paul. Alex, probably used Cousin Eddie, a lot, to carry out some of the financial crimes, especially because drugs were involved.

But what motive would Eddie have to kill Paul and Maggie?

^^ He knew Cousin Eddie knew a lot of his secrets and Cousin Eddie was already a small time criminal. I believe in his irrational, drug fueled mind, he would say he was being blackmailed by CE. Cousin Eddie, wanted money, Alex didn't pay up, so CE killed them. Its a weak theory, but Alex was addled and grabbing for anything.

Buster seemed oddly without emotions.

I think both Paul and Buster were the children of emotionally unavailable parents.

Sometimes, kids who grow up in that environment learn to shut down.

R33- Alex probably believed that no one would gaf about Eddie's demise and would have no problem believing it was self-defense. After all, Eddie was Eddie but Alex was a Murdaugh.

^^ exactly.

According to SLED, Smith was an escort and they are looking into a suspect who is not a Murdaugh

Link, r37?

[quote]Buster, just seems weird to me.

That's an understatement. He's extremely odd to me. Criminal kind of odd.

R39- A bit sinister?

If AM was planning on killing Eddie, why didn’t he? What stopped him?

Re speaking in code: aren’t there law enforcement experts out there trained to break codes? Surely their code wasn’t too complex.

Yes, r40. That nails it perfectly. That's the word I should've used.

R41- I believe Alex did try but Eddie fought with him and got the gun. Wasn't there a camera at the church Alex parked in front of?

Buster does seems emotional less. Even in the prison phone calls to Alex in prison, he talks like nothing happened at all. He and Paul have/ had, a piercing cold stare, just like Alex. Yes, piercing.

[quote]According to SLED, Smith was an escort

I remember hearing a law enforcement interview with an "older man" on Hilton Head.

He said that he had hooked up with Stephen. The first words out of his mouth, unsolicited, were: "No money changed hands."

And that was a red flag to trot out a "Sure, Jan."

Yes, I recall that, too, r45. Smith had told a friend or friends that he had started to see a wealthy older man who owned a boat, but kept mum about his identity and gave no details. My impression was the friends thought they were in a dating relationship. But then, one doesn't go around talking about escorting IRL.

Cousin Eddie, sort of made a veiled threat to AM in an interview. He said, he didn't expect AM to have a gun. When Alex called him, he thought he was needed to fix something, and when he got there Alex had a gun and they wrestled with it, and it went off. He denied, denied, denied knowing anything about anything, but he also said the Murdaughs , had better not go there. He said; I'd advise them not to go there. I remember reading something about a Church camera catching part of what happened between them, but I'm not sure if that's true. My question is CE, had a 20'000 bond to get out of jail, and claims he's broke and couldn't afford a Lawyer. So how'd he get out of jail? So much shadiness and still unanswered questions.

I believe that Curtis Smith is still in jail.

I also think the knows a lot of shady, criminal shit about Alex but couldn't reveal it without implicating himself.

Stephen Smith also told his best friend that he was seeing a "prominent" local man.

That is what made me think it was one of Buster's uncles.

In Eric Allen's podcast there is an interview with the police and Jessica Smith about Stephen advertising for money online

I wonder if the older man Stephen was seeing was one of Murdaugh's good ol' boy cronies

On the Court TV aftershow last week they were talking about Alex's money, and whether he is truly "broke." It turns out that he has trust fund $$ left to him by his father, which apparently cannot be touched under SC law. They didn't know how much, but it's evidently generational wealth spawned by his father, grandfather and great grandfather through the years - even if it's split among the three brothers and the one sister.

There's a long line of victims trying to get whatever they can for their clients, among them the Beach family and all the injury clients like that poor deaf paralegic. One might think the sale of the Moselle property for $3.9 million might go toward these victims, however, that property was in Maggie's name, and again, according to SC law, half of the proceeds will go to - guess who? Buster - with the other half going to the victims. It's INSANE.

"Buster seemed oddly without emotions."

You might think the same of me if you met me in person, and that's because I grew up with a parent who had narcissistic -+*tendencies. If I showed feelings or expressed needs as a child there was hell to pay, because a person on the narcissism spectrum family life is 100% about their own needs. The family is there to deal with the narcissist's feelings, and not vice versa!

And since Alex Murdaugh seems to be a case of full-blown toxic NPD, Buster probably grew up with similar tendencies, although unlike me, he grew up as a scion of a corrupt dynasty. But he may share the child-of-a-narcissist's tendency to go all gray-rock when feeling under attack (such as being under media scrutiny), because that's what you do when a narcissist has control of your life. You don't fight back, you don't cry, you just let them get on with the rage, because doing anything else will make the rage worse.

On NBC “Today” they touch on Stephen Smith’s alleged roadside “accident” and his relationships.

In an exclusive interview Buster blasts the vicious rumors - he forcefully disavows any involvement with Stephen Smith’s death.

He is silent as to involvement with Stephen himself.

I don't think Buster and Stephen were involved with other sexually. Stephen had told people he was going deep sea fishing with someone who had a boat and was high up and everyone would be surprised He indicated he was involved with this person. That's not Buster. And I don't think he was referring to the motor boat that was in the accident. He was talking about a luxury boat or yacht. That doesn't mean Buster and his pals didn't beat the shit out of Stephen on a dark and lonely road in the middle of the night even if they didn't mean to actually kill him. I think Buster is definitely capable of that.

Now you can own items from the Murdaughs. Somebody needs to go to this auction

If anybody gets money I hope the housekeeper's family does. They are pathetic and Alex really fucked them over taking that money.

Forgive me for asking this now, but I thought I heard/read that Buster was supposed to be miles away when his mother and brother were married. How did he get "far away" if the kennel video was shot less than 10 minutes before they were killed?

Assuming you mean when they were murdered, not married, Buster was never alleged to have been there that night, and the kennel video certainly doesn't indicate he was.

woo doggie check out those geniune tortoise shell lamps up for auction

Money does not buy taste evidently.

R59, thank you for the correction and answer. I did mean murdered. So the video was shot by the dead son, Paul?

What absolute shit taste.

Yes, r62. That was huge in the trial because Paul shot the video, Alex had claimed he was never down there, yet his voice was heard on it.

Minutes later Paul and Maggie were dead and only after the video was revealed did Alex then admit to being down there.

The stuff they're auctioning off looks hideous

R65- You have to ask yourself if these people were really rich. That looks like unwanted crap you would find in a Goodwill store.

man, there are times when the NY Post can still seem to be the NY Post of my youth. What a great headline on the article:

Murdaugh family items, hideous furniture to be auctioned off Thursday

It doesn’t cost THAT much to live a “rednecks with money” lifestyle in South Carolina.

That’s why I want to know where Alex hid all the money.

I remember laughing when I read Miss Maggie had charged up her Belk account.

Belk is certainly not a fancy department store. It is very southern, though.

R67_ 😂.

I love someone else’s used hideous furniture. It’s “upcycled”.

Who is Stephen Smith? Family of Buster Murdaugh's killed classmate speak out

"Now you can own items from the Murdaughs. Somebody needs to go to this auction"

Somebody who's in the region DOES need to go! If you live in the Carolinas and have the free time, get up and take one for the team!!!

If I didn't live 3000 miles away, and have a full-time job, I'd go myself. But sorry, can't help you guys this time.

OMG, those turtle shell lamps. So sad, should be illegal.

Wonder how Alex is spending his days.

"I use antlers in all of my decorating."

Steven Smith's death is now being investigated as a homicide.

Rut roh, Buster.

This whole mess certainly makes South Carolina look like a bunch of dumb rednecks who can’t do anything right. (I can say that— I went to high school there. It’s just as miserable as you’d think.)

Steven looks like that Jolie-Pitt kid.

Did Steven do drag? That's what I always assume when I see a man with severely plucked eyebrows.

Watch out, Elsie de Wolfe. The Murdaughs are bringing STYLE with their antlers and turtle lamps!

This is a very good Reddit thread for anyone interested in Steven Smith's death.

Buster snapped when Stephen told him he couldn’t see him anymore because he smelled funny down there.

Authorities confirm Stephen Smith probe is a homicide l GMA

You have to wonder what SLED found then they searched Moselle that made them reopen the Smith case. Photos?

You can’t write this shit. No one would believe it!

It only took 8 years, two additional homicides and a sum of eighty grand crowd sourced on GoFundMe for the death of Stephen Smith to be investigated... Do you think if law enforcement had investigated Smiths death properly almost a decade ago, lives could have been saved?

Stephen Smith died in a tragic accident. Move along, folks, nothing to see here!

Nothing, R84. From the article at R81:

"There has been a lot of discussion as to what prompted SLED to open that homicide probe. Today, the public will get to view the file that led them to do so … the original 2015 S.C. Highway Patrol (SCHP) “Multi-Disciplinary Accident Investigation Team” (MAIT) report into Smith’s death.

Contrary to popular perception, SLED’s investigation into Stephen Smith’s death was not based on any evidence or information obtained at Moselle – but rather the agency obtaining a copy of the MAIT report.

“Anyone who reads that file knows it was not a hit-and-run,” one law enforcement source told me this week. “But even if it was a hit-and-run, it’s still a vehicular homicide.”

[quote]I don't think Buster and Stephen were involved with other sexually. Stephen had told people he was going deep sea fishing with someone who had a boat and was high up and everyone would be surprised He indicated he was involved with this person. That's not Buster.

Stephen told friends he was going on a fishing vacation with the guy he was seeing's family. The guy was going to come out to his family on the trip. [NOTE: Showing up with Stephen may have been a *bit* of a clue, Buster.]

The Murdaughs like to go on fishing vacations. Paw Paw's ex-girlfriend said she went on one with them to Guatemala.

If Buster had come out to his family while on an isolated boat, with his father and femmey boyfriend on board... the femmey boy would have ended the trip as shark food.

In an interview with Vinnie Politan on Court TV last week, Stephen's mother said that he told her he was going to KEY WEST to go "deep sea fishing with someone VERY IMPORTANT, but he didn't tell her who. You do the math.

And surprised that no one has mentioned that this kid had MAJOR CSL!

"And surprised that no one has mentioned that this kid had MAJOR CSL!"

I KNOW!!!

[quote]with the guy he was seeing's family.

Oh, dear.

Also, what is CSL? Cancerous Systemic Liver?

CSL = cock-sucking lips

If he went on a fishing trip, and something happened, why didn't they dump his body in the ocean? Also, why did one of BM's uncles, call Stevens mother to report his death?. Nothing makes sense.

[quote]The Murdaughs like to go on fishing vacations.

Ummm, kinky!!!

Oh, you said FISHING!

[quote]Nothing makes sense.

Including your punctuation.

My 93 year old mom said Buster is a good looking guy, that's when I realized she isn't kidding when she says she can't see very well.

NY Post (I know, I know) in an item today says that a rape kit was ordered at the time of the accident, but it doesn't state what the results were or if it was ever done.

In the mom's Vinnie Politan interview, she says that both Randy and Alex Murdaugh were on the scene immediately.

Randy was on the scene not Alex

This is getting juicy again.

Someone needs to investigate SLED. Why didn’t they catch this the first time?

Where is the damn FBI?

Not finished yet, their housekeeper's death is also suspicious!

SLED did not investigate the first time. IIRC correctly it was the highway patrol but not SLED.

WTF was Unca Randy there??

For those late to the party:

The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED) is a state-level law enforcement agency that is responsible for investigating and enforcing laws in the state of South Carolina. SLED was created in 1947 and is headquartered in Columbia, South Carolina.

And it should be SCLED. SLED is just stupid.

I hope they swabbed his mouth and his ass.

The auction was a complete success crowded with many, many versions of S. Carolina weirdness, excess, total Redneckism and depravity. There were dozens of turtle shell lamps and decorations, and even Daily Mail readers had withering comments about the cheap, crass, way out of Mayberry clowns.

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That auction is in unreal. Why in the world would people want that shit. Just look at the photo and how those people are swarming to have something belonging to this weird ass family. Good God.

If I had a bar or something like that I think it would be a great ghoulish item to put on display. There are people who collect the possessions of murderers anyway.

The people in that warehouse, pawing over and through the Murdaugh's belongings are just plain ugly. Good God it's a sea of overweight, poorly groomed, cheaply dressed, haggard-looking citizens.

What kind of lives do these people lead that they end up so sad and miserable looking?

R113, like we've got room to talk!

The Murdaugh "alibi couch" went for $36,000 - Vinnie Politan interviewed the guy who bought it on Court TV last night. It went to a very decent looking guy from Georgia who had a hunting lodge of his own. He explained that he got two couches, a recliner and a large rug for that price.

Did they auction pieces of Junior's brains?

A lot of the stuff, most of it really, is what you would expect to find in a junkyard. No wonder Maggie hated the hunting lodge, even though it was in her name.

I wonder how far some of those people traveled for the occasion. Phone and internet bids weren't allowed. In person bidding only.

Ugh. Bad juju. I guess these bitches have never seen those movies about demons following old furniture items.

My question is, before the dynasty came crashing down, was Alex the #1 son? I know he has multiple brothers, but haven't seen it clarified who was the LEAD Murdaugh

I’m guessing Alex was a fuckup like Paul.

I wonder if Maggie was also the family fuckup in her family of origin. How else to explain ending up with Alex?

Even her friends and family give sort of blah descriptions of her. “She was a mom, she liked doing things with her kids, etc” It’s as if they are trying not to say too much. Or else she really did just sit on her ass her whole life. It’s not like her kids were young.

The beach house - Edisto Island, SC. - See link.

No wonder Maggie liked it.

What is Randy’s excuse for being on the scene so quickly? Does he have one?

The Edisto house is so staged. It looks like every VRBO from Charleston to Hilton Head.

"My question is, before the dynasty came crashing down, was Alex the #1 son?"

I'd guess Randy was actually the #1 son, but Alex thought he was.

As for Maggie ending up with Alex, that's totally understandable. She was from that region and if her goal was to "marry well" and be a spoiled wife and full-time mother, then she couldn't be too picky about personality! No, for a blonde Southern gal to meet her life goals, she needs to look at family money and connections, make damn sure that the man she married would be able to support her in the lifestyle she damn well expected. So what if that meant marrying an asshole, she knows how to manage a man...

R110 we don’t care what the daily mail says. We are capable of comign to our own conclusions.

What is it with people who read that crap? They are always nut jobs and shut ins. It’s the official paper of pathetic people.

36,000 for a living room set of furniture? Was it made of gold?

People like that have too much money are perpetually being ripped off on something or another.

The beach house looks middle brow and cluttered.

Yes, well Alex went and killed Gloria who would normally have kept it cleaner.

Who is "we" r125 and why are you arrogant enough to presume to speak for others? Did they send you here to express their displeasure?

What "conclusions" do you believe I want you to come to by posting a DM article that contains pictures of the Murdaugh’s belongings?

R110

Are they selling any of.....uh.....Buster's.....uh.....drawers?

Asking for a friend.

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^I guess the carpet drove the price up, but stilll...

The housekeeper was killed to collect insurance. Millions of dollars.

[quote] she knows how to manage a man...

Well, knew anyway.

Paul’s ex girlfriend got engaged, she seems to have a taste for ugly rednecks

Jesus, that photo of the six friends just screams "why stereotypes exist" - just some good ole boys and their chicks. One of whom will be pregnant within a year.

"Paul’s ex girlfriend got engaged, she seems to have a taste for ugly rednecks"

She lives in rural South Carolina. Who else is she going to meet?

I'd bet that he's from a family with money like Paul. I can't blame her. I'm honestly pretty envious of people who can be in a relationship with pretty fugly people since I never can get past that.

R138 is correct. Real country boys don’t wear $400 Barbour jackets like he has on in that pic. Morgan got a taste of the good life and isn’t going to marry for love and live in a trailer on the edge of a soybean field.

The auction was bubba central for death cultists. The family was killing obsessed. Horrible people, not surprised they came to a bad end.

I wonder how many of the vast collection of twin beds were masterbated in by the boys.

R115. He overpaid. I hope the furniture haunts his hunting lodge. Creepy.

Maggie's bicycle went for $950. A friend of hers bought it so it wouldn't go to some redneck prole. The turtle shell lamps went for $650 each.

God only knows what the guns and the BULLETS went for!

Bubba the dog who helped seal Alex's fate, went to the housekeeper Blanca Simpson.

[quote]I wonder how many of the vast collection of twin beds were masterbated in by the boys.

😐

Those fucking lamps were nightmarish.

I can't imagine what sort of ghoul would want any of that trash.

I took great offense to thosr ugly serving pieces.

Who paid $600 for those hella ugly turtle lamps?

Why didn’t Buster take Bubba? That’s so sad.

Maybe the money is in the tortoise lamps.

R148 Because he's a sociopath like the rest. Also, I'm sure the dog was much more familiar with the housekeeper than Buster.