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Datalounge idol Emmanuel Macron unilaterally raises retirement age. La Pen to the rescue

(AP) — French President Emmanuel Macron ordered his prime minister to wield a special constitutional power Thursday that skirts parliament to force through a highly unpopular bill raising the retirement age from 62 to 64 without a vote.

His calculated risk set off a clamor among lawmakers, who began singing the national anthem even before Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne arrived in the lower chamber. She spoke forcefully over their shouts, acknowledging that Macron’s unilateral move will trigger quick motions of no-confidence in his government.

The fury of opposition lawmakers echoed the anger of citizens and workers’ unions. Thousands gathered at the Place de la Concorde facing the National Assembly, lighting a bonfire. As night fell, police charged the demonstrators in waves to clear the elegant Place. Small groups of those chased away moved through nearby streets in the chic neighborhood setting street fires. At least 120 were detained, police said.

Similar scenes repeated themselves in numerous other cities, from Rennes and Nantes in the east to Lyon and the southern port city of Marseille, where shop windows and bank fronts were smashed, according to French media. Radical leftist groups were blamed for at least some of the destruction.

The unions that have organized strikes and marches since January, leaving Paris reeking in piles of garbage, announced new rallies and protest marches in the days ahead. “This retirement reform is brutal, unjust, unjustified for the world of workers,” they declared.

Macron has made the proposed pension changes the key priority of his second term, arguing that reform is needed to keep the pension system from diving into deficit as France, like many richer nations, faces lower birth rates and longer life expectancy.

Macron decided to invoke the special power during a Cabinet meeting at the Elysee presidential palace, just a few minutes before the scheduled vote in France’s lower house of parliament, because he had no guarantee of a majority.

“Today, uncertainty looms” about whether a majority would have voted for the bill, Borne acknowledged, but she said “We cannot gamble on the future of our pensions. That reform is necessary.”

“There will actually be a proper vote and therefore the parliamentary democracy will have the last say,” Borne said.

She said in an interview Thursday night on the TV station TF1 that she was not angry when addressing disrespectful lawmakers but “very shocked.”

Opposition lawmakers demanded the government step down. One Communist lawmaker called the presidential power a political “guillotine.” Others called it a “denial of democracy” that signals Macron’s lack of legitimacy.

𝑴𝒂𝒓𝒊𝒏𝒆 𝑳𝒆 𝑷𝒆𝒏 𝒔𝒂𝒊𝒅 𝒉𝒆𝒓 𝒇𝒂𝒓-𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕 𝑵𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏𝒂𝒍 𝑹𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒚 𝒑𝒂𝒓𝒕𝒚 𝒘𝒐𝒖𝒍𝒅 𝒇𝒊𝒍𝒆 𝒂 𝒏𝒐-𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒇𝒊𝒅𝒆𝒏𝒄𝒆 𝒎𝒐𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏, and Communist lawmaker Fabien Roussel said such a motion is “ready” on the left.

A no-confidence motion, expected early next week, needs approval by more than half the Assembly. If it passes — which would be a first since 1962 — the government would have to resign. Macron could reappoint Borne if he chooses, and a new Cabinet would be named.

If no-confidence motions don’t succeed, the pension bill would be considered adopted.

The Senate adopted the bill earlier Thursday in a 193-114 vote, a tally largely expected since the conservative majority of the upper house favored the changes.

Raising the retirement age will make workers put more money into the system, which the government says is on course to run a deficit. Macron has promoted the pension changes as central to his vision for making the French economy more competitive. The reform also would require 43 years of work to earn a full pension.

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by Anonymousreply 146April 15, 2023 7:42 AM

Under normal circumstances, it makes sense to do the unpopular but necessary in one's last term.

These aren't normal times though. Last election showed that presidency wasn't entirely out of reach for Le Pen. This might be what it takes to carry her over the finish line.

by Anonymousreply 1March 17, 2023 6:04 PM

"This retirement reform is brutal..."

Only the French would say raising the retirement age by 2 years to age 64 is "brutal." Quel dommage!

by Anonymousreply 2March 17, 2023 6:17 PM

Trudeau next

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by Anonymousreply 3March 20, 2023 5:14 AM

Macron himself can retire early at my place.

by Anonymousreply 4March 20, 2023 5:15 AM

Macron is great. The French can work a bit more.

by Anonymousreply 5March 20, 2023 5:16 AM

Quelle fromage.

by Anonymousreply 6March 20, 2023 5:19 AM

The Greeks and French are a bunch of lazy bums. Fancy retiring early and potentially living the longest. These Governments can't afford this.

by Anonymousreply 7March 20, 2023 5:22 AM

I'm not French. I have always voted and supported leftwing things. But do these people there - my generation - know it's them who have to pay for this?

by Anonymousreply 8March 20, 2023 5:32 AM

Lazy ass frogs

by Anonymousreply 9March 20, 2023 6:31 AM

I fear this law will be his downfall

by Anonymousreply 10March 20, 2023 8:31 AM

Well, Macron took this policy to two elections. Whilst I appreciate a lot of people didn't vote for him and I get their angst he was upfront with them.

I would have voted for LePenn myself.

by Anonymousreply 11March 20, 2023 9:18 AM

[quote] Last election showed that presidency wasn't entirely out of reach for Le Pen. This might be what it takes to carry her over the finish line.

Just how fat is she?

by Anonymousreply 12March 20, 2023 9:29 AM

Can't believe Marine's father is still alive. He must be about 150.

by Anonymousreply 13March 20, 2023 9:42 AM

So, R11, you like right-wing fascists?

by Anonymousreply 14March 20, 2023 2:32 PM

Fascist policy is the domain of the left. Read history books R14

by Anonymousreply 15March 20, 2023 2:41 PM

Marine LePen is right-wing, R15, and she embraces fascism. Pick up a newspaper, fool.

by Anonymousreply 16March 20, 2023 3:39 PM

Should be lowered to 60

by Anonymousreply 17March 20, 2023 3:59 PM

Hitler and Mussolini and pootin and dump are right wingers.

by Anonymousreply 18March 20, 2023 4:00 PM

And all of them fascists.

by Anonymousreply 19March 20, 2023 4:01 PM

And who pays for it, R17? Someone has to.

by Anonymousreply 20March 20, 2023 4:02 PM

No wonder antifa is a slur to you people. You don't even know what fascism is and you don't want to know.

by Anonymousreply 21March 20, 2023 4:09 PM

How about taking the money out of the recently increased nuclear submarine budget. that should straighten up the books. I wish we had the guts here in the USA to look out for ourselves. We pour all our real wealth into the military ever increasing budget or Bailing out Bankers again and again. We, here in the USA just accept that we have to pour all our wealth into the financial/ war machine. I would be proud to be French if I where them. We deserve better Here too but we won't fight for anything that threatens our precious rich peoples money or war machine.. Here in the USA, CNN or Fox or NPR just has to say the French are lazy and unreasonable the numbers don't add up. Quickly taking the bait the thoughtless populace just believes it because it's on the news. We could learn from the French..

by Anonymousreply 22March 20, 2023 4:39 PM

That's all well and good, R22, but Macron did it to shore up the draining coffers of French retirement, since more and more people are living longer. So I don't think it's as cut and dried as taking the money out of the recently increased nuclear submarine budget. Are you an expert on that, by the way?

by Anonymousreply 23March 20, 2023 4:46 PM

[quote]We pour all our real wealth into the military ever increasing budget or Bailing out Bankers again and again.

We're not, actually, "bailing out bankers" at the moment. No taxpayer money is going to the banks that are failing.

by Anonymousreply 24March 20, 2023 5:15 PM

"La Pen to the rescue"?

In what sense? She's not 'rescuing' anything, but rather taking advantage of Macron's unpopular move to try to get him ousted, and gain another opportunity to get herself in.

by Anonymousreply 25March 20, 2023 7:51 PM

Macron barely held on but the clock is ticking

Macron Government Survives No-Confidence Votes Over Pensions

First motion backed by 278 lawmakers, nine shy of 287 needed

by Anonymousreply 26March 20, 2023 7:57 PM

LePen? What the fuck? What kind of fucking moron supports the fascist Le Pen? It's insane.


It's not that complicated, kids.

by Anonymousreply 27March 20, 2023 8:00 PM

Clearly I've got the right boot-licking fascist supporters blocked.

by Anonymousreply 28March 20, 2023 8:03 PM

Is anyone here also laughing at La France for getting its panties in a twist over raising the already low age of 62 as the retirement year to...gasp...64???

If this makes them embrace fascism, it doesn't speak well of France.

by Anonymousreply 29March 20, 2023 8:07 PM

[quote] France for getting its panties in a twist over raising the already low age of 62 as the retirement year to...gasp...64???

Margaret Thatcher — 'The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.'

by Anonymousreply 30March 20, 2023 8:12 PM

That's also the problem with capitalism, R30.

by Anonymousreply 31March 20, 2023 8:12 PM

Billionaires and their vested financial advisors will literally destroy the global economy to keep young people working and reproduce ting . I think we’re about to see a bloody revolution somewhere, though ironically it might just be France. I just hope I get drug from my home as a bourgeois collaborator before I get bored.

by Anonymousreply 32March 20, 2023 8:14 PM

R26 While I admire their fighting spirit, I'm still happy Mr Cutie Booty survived.

by Anonymousreply 33March 20, 2023 8:21 PM

Guys, this is not a tough call for true Dataloungers.

Macron - hot, reasonably handsome, nice ass, definitely fuckable.

LePen - cold, hideously ugly, lumpy fat ass, totally not fuckable.

The Datalounge Verdict = Macron wins by several miles.

by Anonymousreply 34March 20, 2023 8:23 PM

That, too, R34.

The cure for fascism? Macron's fucakble ass.

by Anonymousreply 35March 20, 2023 8:24 PM


(always worth retyping, when applying the word to Macron's ass)

by Anonymousreply 36March 20, 2023 8:25 PM

He's hot and the French are lazy.

by Anonymousreply 37March 20, 2023 9:07 PM

It will be 68 by the time I reach 60 here in the UK. It's been slowly rising from 65 as people live longer and population increases. I personally have no issue with it but we have more pension options here. I understand in France private pensions aren't as common and most people rely on their state pension.

62 is incredibly young nowadays though, as I read in one article by a French person, they don't realise how good they've got it there. Surely common sense would tell them that paying millions of people pension from 62 til death is costing more money than the country can afford.

by Anonymousreply 38March 20, 2023 9:14 PM

Lazy French

by Anonymousreply 39March 20, 2023 9:27 PM

With the UK pension rising again I don't think we've had any pushback here. Certainly no riots! Will probably be 70 in a few years!

by Anonymousreply 40March 20, 2023 9:33 PM

62 is a fair retirement age.

by Anonymousreply 41March 20, 2023 9:51 PM

Everything Europe looked down their noses at when it came to the US they’re finally having to face themselves. They still can’t figure out how to live in a multicultural society.

by Anonymousreply 42March 20, 2023 9:55 PM

They’ll start with 62 and it’ll keep rising every few years.

by Anonymousreply 43March 20, 2023 9:56 PM

So does life expectancy R43

May be a stupid question but are they considering supporting the promotion of private pensions or workplace pensions like we have in the UK and elsewhere? That way people can choose to pay more in as they earn to give them an option to draw an alternative pension and retire before they are eligible for state pension? Seems a reasonable compromise.

by Anonymousreply 44March 20, 2023 10:11 PM


by Anonymousreply 45March 20, 2023 11:24 PM

R23 maybe it is that cut and dry .R24 We’re bailing out depositors this time bankers and depositors and investors last time You are experiencing Stockholm syndrome. Get help

by Anonymousreply 46March 20, 2023 11:32 PM

The phrase is cut and dried, R46, and to pay for millions of people from 62 years until they die is expensive, so no, I don't think it is that cut and dried, your wonderful confidence in thinking you know the answers to the financial problems of an entire country not your own notwithstanding.

by Anonymousreply 47March 21, 2023 12:08 AM

A poll for the Journal du Dimanche this weekend showed Macron’s personal approval rating at its lowest level since the height of the gilet-jaunes (yellow vests) anti-government protest movement in 2019, with only 28% of respondents having a positive view of him.

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by Anonymousreply 48March 21, 2023 12:47 PM

Glad he had the backbone to force it through, good to see politicians do what's best for the country's future rather than what's popular

by Anonymousreply 49March 21, 2023 12:58 PM

Ahh the age old true datalounge rhetoric: if someone is not they are excused from all crimes. If Macron was ugly everyone around here would be up in arms.

by Anonymousreply 50March 21, 2023 1:35 PM


by Anonymousreply 51March 21, 2023 1:36 PM

The Guardian doesn't care how hot Macron is to a few odd American gay guys

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by Anonymousreply 52March 21, 2023 9:05 PM

Paris is burning

by Anonymousreply 53March 24, 2023 1:35 AM

[quote] This might be what it takes to carry her over the finish line.

Don’t be stupid! Why would she cross the border into Finland if she’s about to take over France???

by Anonymousreply 54March 24, 2023 1:46 AM

Lazy French.


by Anonymousreply 55March 24, 2023 1:50 AM

R50, pretending to give a get-out-of-jail-free card to hot suspects/defendants is obviously a long-running Datalounge JOKE. You kt now about jokes and silly commentaries on the Datalounge, right?

Or are you fucking retarded?

by Anonymousreply 56March 24, 2023 10:29 PM

I guess I should cancel that planned April trip to Paris

by Anonymousreply 57March 24, 2023 10:36 PM

Honestly, it’s all just talk until the guillotines come out.

by Anonymousreply 58March 24, 2023 11:14 PM

Evidently La Belle Macron hastily and surreptitiously tried to remove an expensive watch in the middle of a televised discussion or something like that. The cameras caught it of course and the Daily Fail is having their usual fake, hysterical hissy fit about it.

He's the president of France, for fuck's sake. He's been president for years. They were expecting him to wear a Timex?

As for him, nobody expects him to wear a cheap watch. Make sure the timepiece comes from a French brand, that's all that is required. Trying, and failing, to remove it when the cameras were on him was a dumb move.

by Anonymousreply 59March 24, 2023 11:23 PM

Ha ha! Found a clip from the BBC.

They have their "Let them eat cake" moment. Vive la résistance!

When they throw him out, can we have him? His English is pretty good (especially for a French president)

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by Anonymousreply 60March 25, 2023 6:59 AM

R60 I'm ready to run France. You can have him.

by Anonymousreply 61March 25, 2023 7:26 AM

I'm trying to remember a particular moment in a televised debate between Macron and Le Pen.

He said something like 'don't preach at me' -- and she said, 'but you like older schoolteachers, don't you?'

Not the exact words but she managed to insult him about his wife being his former schoolteacher when he was in the equivalent of high school -- and she was 24 years older, married with children, and they had a romance that infuriated his mother.

Anyway, LePen had a very naughty smile on her face when she had that 'gotcha' moment. Good times.

I have to admit these rightwing females confuse me - Giorgia Meloni of Italy, LePen in France -- like when there's a gay Republican -- how very dare they ?!? Progressivism allows them their positions but they're traitors after they get there. Well, something like that.

by Anonymousreply 62March 25, 2023 9:04 AM

He's a WEF stooge and globalist puppet controlled by his paedophile mommy wife.

by Anonymousreply 63March 25, 2023 9:07 AM

Deport all the pretend refugees and illegals and you have plenty of money to pay the early pensions.

by Anonymousreply 64March 25, 2023 9:12 AM

They have MAGAs too! Well, MAFAs.

Global populism here we come....

by Anonymousreply 65March 25, 2023 9:17 AM

Considering that the French surrendered in WWII because it was too much work to defend their homeland from Nazi occupation, this protest against their workers being given two more years in their career to try to be productive comes as no surprise.

by Anonymousreply 66March 25, 2023 9:18 AM


Make France Again Great - so MFAGs?

by Anonymousreply 67March 25, 2023 9:19 AM

Just like the yellow vest protests and the Catalan independent movement, those riots in the streets were fueled by Russian propaganda and misinformation.

Macron only has himself to blame by being too soft on Putin.

Same with the anti vaxxer BS. Misinformation campaigns came mostly from Russia and from China. Anti vaxxers in Europe more likely than people who took the jab, had the opinion that NATO is responsible for Russia's aggression towards Ukraine.

The EU knows Putin is meddling in their affairs to destabilize the EU. Why they can't get a handle on these manipulation tactics by Russia is beyond me.

by Anonymousreply 68March 25, 2023 9:22 AM

Brexit, Trump, LePen, Meloni -- no wonder Putin is convinced democracy in the West is on the verge of collapse.

by Anonymousreply 69March 25, 2023 9:27 AM

Macron is pro billionaire and pro cooperation . This is classic USA republican party voodoo economics. There is no reason to do this. Voodoo Economics does NOT work. And also, Fascism is rising in Europe. Hurting your own people during a war in Europe. What a fucking traitor to France! This is dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 70March 25, 2023 9:37 AM

Macron is implementing VooDoo Economics in France. Voodoo Economics will make you a weaker country. Macron is a fucking traitor. Hurting his own people.

by Anonymousreply 71March 25, 2023 9:41 AM

Pension age in Australia is 67.

Politicians don't want you to get a pension. They keep raising the retirement age hoping people will just die off.

by Anonymousreply 72March 25, 2023 9:52 AM

Hurting your own people is ANTI-Democracy. Fuck him!

by Anonymousreply 73March 25, 2023 9:55 AM

They want to be grateful it's only going to 64. My state pension age is 68 and that's if they don't put it up again by the time I get there.

I wouldn't be surprised if they get rid of it completely. They're certainly putting more effort into raising awareness of private pension provision.

by Anonymousreply 74March 25, 2023 10:17 AM

Across much of Europe, United States, Canada, China, Japan and many if not most other western or eastern developed nations trend is clear; decades of low birth rates are catching up with these economies. Result is fewer younger employees supporting ever greater numbers of retirees

When people retired in their early sixties and were dead few years later things sort of evened out. However with increased life expectancy you have people retiring in their early sixties and living one two or maybe even three decades longer. Many will vastly take out far more money than they ever contributed into state pension/social security schemes.

French economy does enjoy some of the highest worker productivity rates in Europe; but there still is more work to be done. They will kick (as events unfolding this week have proven), but French workers must be dragged into 21st century economy. Four week long summer holidays, retiring in early 60's and more all will be on the table.

Spain raised its state pension retirement age recently to 65, but that is where things will end. Any further revenue required to shore up pension funds will come from taxing well off persons or workers.

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by Anonymousreply 75March 25, 2023 10:30 AM

R74 perhaps if you protested instead of sitting on your ass, yours wouldn't have gone up either.

It's so weird how people criticize the French for rioting and protesting to stop their government making their lives worse. The British just let it happen and then complain about it.

by Anonymousreply 76March 25, 2023 10:48 AM

However much the hosts seek to present this as a joint decision, it is the French who have pulled the plug on the first state visit of the King's reign.

Nothing can gloss over the fact that this is an embarrassing capitulation by President Emmanuel Macron and, thus a victory for his enemies among the extreme Left and the French trade union movement.

Having been thrilled at the prospect of being the first head of state to welcome a new British sovereign, Monsieur Macron now becomes the first world leader to disinvite a British monarch since the Shah of Iran did the same to the Queen in 1979.

Within days, the Shah had fled into exile, never to return. Macron will be hoping that history does not repeat itself.

The prospect of civil disorder and transport chaos had been worrying French officials all week.

I am told by sources close to the Elysee Palace that it was not the prospect of a national strike next Tuesday which was the final straw for the hosts but the sight of Bordeaux city hall in flames on Thursday night.

The King had been due to visit the city on the same day as the strike. British officials – in both London and Paris – had been busy making contingency plans, working around each new threat of disruption.

They knew that the plan for a state banquet at Versailles had been scrapped because staff at Mobilier Nation, the state agency which runs Versailles, had called a strike against 'rolling out the red carpet'.

They knew that plans for the King to travel by environmentally friendly train to Bordeaux might need to be revised in favour of an aeroplane.

None, however, were expecting the French to cave in completely. Yesterday morning, Macron's team at the Elysee Palace informed Downing Street and the Foreign Office that they wanted to cancel, thus making it – literally – a fait accompli.

Macron then telephoned the King, whereupon the Elysee put out an official statement.

It said that 'this decision was taken by the French and British governments after a telephone exchange between the President of the Republic and the King'.

Last night, there was palpable irritation among British officials that Macron's staff were painting this as some sort of shared decision.

'We had expressed no wish or inclination to cancel,' says one British diplomat.

'Whatever the situation, we would have made the best of it. We would not have given in to the mob. However, when a host says that they want to postpone, there is not much the guest can do about it.'

The veteran French commentator and Le Point columnist, Marc Roche, author of the Queen's only French language biography, agrees. 'The Elysee thought they could manage the unrest in Paris but when they saw the problems unfolding in Bordeaux, they panicked and called the whole thing off,' he says.

by Anonymousreply 77March 25, 2023 10:49 AM

Geez R77, nobody gives a shit about King Charles.

by Anonymousreply 78March 25, 2023 10:53 AM

[quote]Brexit, Trump, LePen, Meloni -- no wonder Putin is convinced democracy in the West is on the verge of collapse.

Vlad helped with Brexit and Trump and is working on LePen.

Funny how this works R69!

by Anonymousreply 79March 25, 2023 10:56 AM

Somebody on DL is still flogging that withered up she Nazi?

by Anonymousreply 80March 25, 2023 11:59 AM

Age is not the only requirement to be able to retire, you also need to have contributed to the pension fund by working for 43 years. People who didn't because they were unemployed for a while, worked part time, stayed home to care for their kids, or started working late because they did longer studies, won't be able to retire at 64, the age limit will be 67.

And life expectancy might be longer, but life expectancy in good health is about 64 years, so the perspective of working until you health starts to decline, and not being able to enjoy the life you have left is pretty bleak.

by Anonymousreply 81March 25, 2023 12:49 PM

R72 And ironically it was the workers party (the ALP) that increased the age of retirement to obtain the old age pension from 65 to 67. However, the were sneaky and shrewd enough for it not to start until about 15 years later so people didn't really pay much attention to the change.

The LNP in 2013 or 2014 wanted to then raise then pension age to 70 but thankfully that never happened.

But also most people in Australia have superannuation so they can retire at 60, live on and use up their super over the next seven years than go on the pension. So the retirement age in Australia is redundant for most people and only hurts the most disadvantaged.

by Anonymousreply 82March 25, 2023 1:22 PM

R76 I'd protest if I thought it would achieve anything. They'd have done it anyway, knowing most of the affected people would be too young to care; after all, retirement is many years away for me.

Even if they cancelled the age rise, they'd take it from somewhere else - eg. lowering the personal allowance, meaning you pay more income tax. Death and taxation are the only certainties in life, after all.

Also, I didn't criticise the French for protesting. I don't agree with rioting and damaging property, but as with most protests, I imagine most of it was peaceful - the rioters are usually ones who don't give a fuck about the subject of protest, they just like damaging shit.

by Anonymousreply 83March 25, 2023 1:29 PM

The French enjoyed nice subsidies during COVID-19, and forgot what it meant to work. Now they want their free lunch. Let them have cake.

Well done, Macron, for doing the right thing.

by Anonymousreply 84March 25, 2023 4:33 PM

Va te faire foutre, R84

by Anonymousreply 85March 25, 2023 11:41 PM

𝑴𝒂𝒓𝒊𝒏𝒆 𝑳𝒆 𝑷𝒆𝒏’𝒔 𝒇𝒂𝒓-𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕 𝒑𝒂𝒓𝒕𝒚 𝒉𝒂𝒔 𝒃𝒆𝒆𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒃𝒊𝒈𝒈𝒆𝒔𝒕 𝒃𝒆𝒏𝒆𝒇𝒊𝒄𝒊𝒂𝒓𝒚 𝒐𝒇 𝑭𝒓𝒆𝒏𝒄𝒉 𝒅𝒊𝒔𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒕𝒆𝒏𝒕 𝒐𝒗𝒆𝒓 𝑷𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒊𝒅𝒆𝒏𝒕 𝑬𝒎𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒖𝒆𝒍 𝑴𝒂𝒄𝒓𝒐𝒏’𝒔 𝒅𝒆𝒄𝒊𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒕𝒐 𝒓𝒂𝒊𝒔𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒎𝒊𝒏𝒊𝒎𝒖𝒎 𝒓𝒆𝒕𝒊𝒓𝒆𝒎𝒆𝒏𝒕 𝒂𝒈𝒆, according to a survey of voting intentions by pollster Ifop for Le Journal du Dimanche newspaper.

If legislative elections were to take place on Sunday, 26% of the 1,094 adults interviewed via the internet on March 20-21 said they would support National Rally candidates. That was 5 points higher than the previous poll in November, before a series of strikes and protests against the unpopular pension reform.

A group of parties that back the president would get the votes of 22% of those polled, down 5 points. Politicians from the Nupes alliance of left-wing and green parties would get 26%, up 1 point.

The strongest support for Le Pen outside her own party was among voters with no political affiliation, with almost one-third saying they would back a National Rally candidate, according to Ifop. The margin of error in the poll was around 2.5-2.8 points.

In the first round of the last legislative elections in June, Macron’s group had 26.9% of support, ahead of Nupes with 26.3% and the National Rally with 19.2%.

Millions of people have joined a series of strikes and marches across France since mid-January against the government’s overhaul of the pension system. Protests have escalated in recent days after the bill was forced through using Article 49.3 of the French constitution to avoid a vote in the National Assembly.

Government spokesman Olivier Veran acknowledged in an interview with Le Journal du Dimanche that protesters are angry and that they must be heard.

Veran said young people were particularly against the use of Article 49.3.

“For them, it just feeds distrust in our institutions and those who represent them in general,” he said.

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by Anonymousreply 86March 26, 2023 11:55 AM

Fuck Macron

by Anonymousreply 87March 26, 2023 1:16 PM

I’m surprised they didn’t try to soften the blow. Change the retirement age to 63 but not for 10 years etc.

by Anonymousreply 88March 26, 2023 2:06 PM

May as well bute the bullet and do the right thing. He's not after a re-election. That allows him to do what the country needs, not what the polls dictate.

by Anonymousreply 89March 27, 2023 6:00 AM

Shoot Le Pen first.

by Anonymousreply 90March 28, 2023 6:55 PM

Macron, it seems, has overplayed his hand. He has traded in parliamentary negotiation for direct confrontation—and no longer has a 49.3 in his pocket to whisk problems away. Instead, he’s leaning on one of the old crutches developed throughout his six years in office: outright police repression, aided and abetted by a pliant justice system.

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by Anonymousreply 91March 30, 2023 7:30 PM

[quote] So does life expectancy [R43]

Honey, how much older do you think we’ve all going to live for? Come on. We’re already heading towards a hundred. How many 99 years olds are going to go work in an Amazon factory?

by Anonymousreply 92March 30, 2023 7:49 PM

Le Pen is probably the only one who can straighten out that shithole at this point. She’s horrible but then so is France. It’s fucking frightening. Unfettered immigration destroyed it. Now you’ve got trucks running people over in terrorist attacks.

by Anonymousreply 93March 30, 2023 7:51 PM

France should just be considered part of the Middle East. You can’t tell the difference. It’s like London.

by Anonymousreply 94March 30, 2023 7:51 PM

Macron is the Margaret Thatcher of france. Fuck this guy. The problem is he is impossible to remove because he is in the liberal party and the other popular party is the fucking nazi fascist party of france. What a mess. Macron will be responsible for the rise of the fascism in france with this horrible blow to his own people.

Back Down Macron, hurting your own people is fucking disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 95March 31, 2023 9:35 AM

R95 how do you suggest they pay for the ever-increasing pension costs then? Raise taxes for the employed? Lower pension payments? Sell off some art? Have Macron open an OnlyFans?

by Anonymousreply 96March 31, 2023 9:42 AM

Everything governments do are a political choice.

You can cut spending on X, or/and raise taxes on Y.

by Anonymousreply 97March 31, 2023 10:07 AM

R88 That's true. While the change is inevitable, it should be phased over time, rather than sprung on the people. Plus it'd have likely been approved if it had been phased, along with a costed plan.

Of course it sucks to increase the state pension age, but the aging population is increasing at a far quicker rate than the working population, so it'll be impossible to pay everyone over 62 a state pension simply because there won't be enough money to do so. Not unless they increase taxes of those working, but then there'd be riots if that happened.

It reminds me a bit of the Sim City game, obviously you had to make money to develop the city and progress in the game, but any time you tried to raise money, the population would get pissed off and would start abandoning houses. It didn't take me long to say "fuck this game, these people are never happy". Heh.

by Anonymousreply 98March 31, 2023 10:57 AM

Macron needs to tax all the rich bustards then he can pay everyone a decent pension.

by Anonymousreply 99March 31, 2023 11:04 AM

R98 I thought this increase was phased over a few years, not an immediate bump?

R99 then all the rich bastards will sod off or use every trick in the book to avoid paying. Look at post-Brexit Britain

by Anonymousreply 100March 31, 2023 11:09 AM

I can see why people in their late 50s and early 60s would be angry. But, things don't always go the way we want and sometimes life's not fair and we have to make sacrifices. If the success of the country/economy depends on it, then, ultimately, I don't see an issue. They probably should have thrown in a little carrot with the stick, though.

by Anonymousreply 101March 31, 2023 11:11 AM

Marine Le Pen is no better than a German Nazi. She will not rescue anyone from anything.

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by Anonymousreply 102March 31, 2023 11:14 AM

R100 I meant increase to 63, then 64, and with a longer lead time.

You're right about rich people leaving and/or finding every loophole to avoid paying that increased tax, too.

When you break it down, we're all selfish bastards. We don't really want to pay much tax, because we see it as our earned money, but equally we want to get a state pension at a decent age because it's an expectation. And when faced it, "but there's not enough money to pay you a pension at age 62", the response by the majority is: "I don't care, not my problem. Give me my money or I'll riot till you do".

by Anonymousreply 103March 31, 2023 11:20 AM

Oops. I meant "when faced with".

by Anonymousreply 104March 31, 2023 11:21 AM

Ah I see yes R103 I guess they have held off so long they need to make they 2 year jump, even if it isn't immediate. Totally agree about our innate selfishness too.

Here in the UK the pension age has risen slowly from 65 to 68 as more people live longer. A lot of people also have a work pension in addition to state pension so could retire earlier on the work pension if their policy allows it.

I don't know if France pays more tax and national insurance than we do in the UK? I tried to research it but the info is very unclear.

by Anonymousreply 105March 31, 2023 11:30 AM

R105 Yeah I'm in the UK, too. My state pension age is currently 68, though I'm fully aware it could increase before I actually get there. I pay into a private pension and, as you'll probably know, all workplaces with a minimum amount of employees now have to automatically enrol employees in their pension scheme. Employees can choose to opt out, but they have to make that declaration themselves.

As soon as auto enrolment came in, I realised it was being done as a way of propping up the state pension.

I'm not sure about their tax or NI bands either, but given how they are with protests, I can't think they'd be prohibitively high!

by Anonymousreply 106March 31, 2023 11:38 AM

Unfettered immigration has destroyed every single prosperous western nation. R93 It's disgusting. Put a bounty on all of them and get rid, everywhere.

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by Anonymousreply 108April 1, 2023 9:19 AM

R108 wow if everyone in the UK were punished for the things we say about our government! That sounds like some North Korea shit!

by Anonymousreply 109April 1, 2023 9:39 AM

He is the French version of that hateful bitch, Margaret Thatcher. VooDoo Economics does not work. In fact, you end up hurting your economy. Sadly, you destroy the health and lives of your own people.

Macron is also creating the conditions for Fascism to take hold in mainland Europe. This has to stop. I am glad that the French People are protesting this. It will not work and will cause dire conditions.

by Anonymousreply 110April 1, 2023 12:05 PM

R110 you said the same thing at R95

by Anonymousreply 111April 1, 2023 12:12 PM

The irony is if there was an election held next week and Marine Le Pen won there would also be massive protests across France - just a different set of people.

by Anonymousreply 112April 2, 2023 6:25 AM

Lots of those protesting now would be the same ones protesting if Marine won.

by Anonymousreply 113April 2, 2023 6:27 AM

That's so correct. They'd be the same people. So no need to try to please them, they will protest no matter one.

Go Macron. Do not cave in to the lazies.

by Anonymousreply 114April 2, 2023 3:45 PM

R92, I don't know where you're getting your numbers from, but the average lifespan of a typical American male is 76.4 years. For a woman, it's 80.2 years. In France, it's 79.4 and 85 years for males and females, respectively. People aren't living in large numbers to 100 years old.

[quote] Macron will be responsible for the rise of the fascism in france with this horrible blow to his own people.

R95, that's bullshit. If the French vote for fascism, it's because they chose it. Macron didn't force them to. They've always flirted with fascism. Le Pen's popularity in the last election proved that.

What R102 said. It's just very amusing that there's all this French freaking out over raising the already young age of retirement of 62 to the still-young retirement age of 64, when practically every other country has the retirement age set much older.

Everybody here who's down on Macron has yet to persuasively answer the question: since people are living longer than they used to, who the fuck is going to pay for retirement from 62 through potentially 85?

by Anonymousreply 115April 2, 2023 6:07 PM

Macron solution to Frenchmen living too long is to make it easier to kill them

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by Anonymousreply 116April 4, 2023 3:15 AM

French state pension seems to be higher than the minimus £185 PW here in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 117April 4, 2023 10:18 AM

The protestors hit Macron where it hurts

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by Anonymousreply 118April 7, 2023 3:24 AM

Voo Doo Economics does not work. Why the fuck is this Macron doing this?

by Anonymousreply 119April 7, 2023 3:29 AM

Just like the Yellow vest protests, this latest unrest is probably fuelled by Russian interference as well.

by Anonymousreply 120April 7, 2023 3:45 AM

He just made a complete fool of himself in China. Basically stabbing the EU and the US in the back with appeasing XJP.


by Anonymousreply 121April 10, 2023 1:26 AM

Globalist cabal not Russians.

by Anonymousreply 122April 10, 2023 3:24 AM

R121 tell us more

by Anonymousreply 123April 10, 2023 12:52 PM

Macaroni's visit to China kicked off a storm and shocked people everywhere.

This is not normal and he has to be either extremely stupid or deeply compromised to kiss up to XJP like that. He basically threw the EU under the bus for some trade deal that China will not honor anyway, bc they never do.

by Anonymousreply 124April 10, 2023 1:40 PM

Are y'all finally starting to wake up now? These are all WEF installed puppets.

by Anonymousreply 125April 10, 2023 5:32 PM

Are y'all finally starting to wake up now? These are all WEF installed puppets.

by Anonymousreply 126April 10, 2023 5:33 PM

Any vpl shots of Macaroon?

by Anonymousreply 127April 10, 2023 6:00 PM

Macron kowtow to Xi: Thanks Joe for the hundreds of billions to hold Russia off us, but you're on your own with China

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by Anonymousreply 128April 11, 2023 12:01 AM

Macron's still hot, and La Pen is still Ilsa the She Nazi.

by Anonymousreply 129April 11, 2023 2:38 AM

R129 Marine is a kitten compared to her father. And Macron for that matter.

by Anonymousreply 130April 11, 2023 8:51 AM

Marine is a quasi-fascist, R130. Macron is not.

by Anonymousreply 131April 11, 2023 8:23 PM

What is Macron, exactly? A neo-liberal? Narcissist without a creed?

Oh I forgot -- he's a "Jupiterian" leader. He's going to have a dull life, once his tenure's done. Though maybe they don't have term limits and he'll be prez forever? A sophisticated younger Trump?

by Anonymousreply 132April 11, 2023 8:26 PM

[quote] What is Macron, exactly?

Louis XVII

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by Anonymousreply 133April 11, 2023 8:33 PM

They do have term limits, R132. He'll be leaving but not in the colorful way R133 is suggesting.

by Anonymousreply 134April 11, 2023 8:34 PM

The suggestion is that he's pushing through the unpopular pension age rise as he will never stand for election again so doesn't have to tow the middle ground to keep voters. No idea what will happen during the next election, will Marine promise to lower the retirement age to 60 if they vote for her?

I'm reminded a little of Jeremy Corbyn making all these grand promises to voters such as writing off student debt and increasing our police services but no logical plan of how to pay for it. I'd much rather have a sensible leader who can follow through with their manifesto even if I don't necessarily like some of the things that need to be done.

by Anonymousreply 135April 11, 2023 9:09 PM

His talk about European sovereignty is so ridiculous. He's over in China selling off cheap trade deals and the French soul of being the intellectual father of liberal democracy to XJP while contributing very little to the defense of Ukraine. Total idiot!

by Anonymousreply 136April 12, 2023 4:18 PM

the royal family and the noble class used the guillotine against their own citizens. They even cut off the hands of children who were starving and taking bread. Bread that was left out for them. This was not created by the people to kill the french royal family. It was created by the royal family to execute their citizens.

by Anonymousreply 137April 13, 2023 2:16 AM

[quote] while contributing very little to the defense of Ukraine.

Except the UK and the former Soviet republics none of the EU states are doing much than minor gestures magnified by the PR machine.

by Anonymousreply 138April 13, 2023 2:24 AM

That's why it's so ridiculous that he's talking about EU sovereignty. The war on Ukraine was a test for the EU, whether they could pull their military together and chase Putin out of Ukraine. But they utterly failed as a union.

by Anonymousreply 139April 13, 2023 1:00 PM

Even the Dutch now don't like Macron

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by Anonymousreply 140April 14, 2023 12:42 PM

R140 what's got that little twink so upset?

by Anonymousreply 141April 14, 2023 4:27 PM

The French are gonna French.

by Anonymousreply 142April 14, 2023 4:30 PM

[quote]Marine is a quasi-fascist, [R130]. Macron is not.

France needs Marine.

by Anonymousreply 143April 14, 2023 4:32 PM

Not true, R137. Here's the actual history of the guillotine.

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by Anonymousreply 144April 14, 2023 4:35 PM

R143 is pro-fascist.

by Anonymousreply 145April 14, 2023 4:36 PM

A poll in France was taken in relation to leadership and if there was a re-match between Macron & Le Pen, Le Pen would romp in according to the poll.

Of course Macron can't run for a third term but Marine is already saying that she will reverse his changes to the pension age.

by Anonymousreply 146April 15, 2023 7:42 AM
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