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Conservative Pundit Can't Define ‘Woke’ During Interview About Her Book On Wokeness

“This is going to be one of those moments that goes viral,” she predicted, accurately.

In the end, the author of “Stolen Youth: How Radicals Are Erasing Innocence and Indoctrinating a Generation” — released earlier this month — offered that “woke is something that’s very hard to define,” and said it had to do with reorganizing society “to create hierarchies of oppression.”

“It’s hard to explain in a 15-second sound bite,” she said with an apology.

“Rising” host Briahna Joy Gray responded, “Take your time.”

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by Anonymousreply 207March 19, 2023 11:56 PM

But Mandel was then rescued by the program’s conservative co-host, Robby Soave, who stepped in to say, “It’s definitely something that you know what it is when you see it.”

by Anonymousreply 1March 16, 2023 4:45 AM

“to create hierarchies of oppression.”

And yet conservatives always scream about how white men are so oppressed

by Anonymousreply 2March 16, 2023 4:47 AM

"It's more of a feeling, really."

Isn't this similar to that famous quote by that one Supreme Court justice who said he knows what porn is when he sees it, but can't otherwise define it?

by Anonymousreply 3March 16, 2023 4:49 AM

Yes, R3. See R1.

by Anonymousreply 4March 16, 2023 4:50 AM

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

'Nuff said.

by Anonymousreply 5March 16, 2023 4:50 AM

Not as bad as when a Supreme Court nominee couldn't define 𝑤𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑛 though she will be expected to spend decades ruling on laws specific to them

by Anonymousreply 6March 16, 2023 4:53 AM

[quote]… and said it had to do with reorganizing society “to create hierarchies of oppression.”

“Reorganising” unequivocally implies that the hierarchies of oppression already exist, favouring others. “Woke” is a threat to those who are already and have long been at the top of those hierarchies. Uh huh.

by Anonymousreply 7March 16, 2023 5:04 AM

[quote] But Mandel was then rescued by the program’s conservative co-host, Robby Soave, who stepped in to say, “It’s definitely something that you know what it is when you see it.”

Funnily enough, that’s how I identify small-mindedness, fascist, un-fickable, AND racist.

by Anonymousreply 8March 16, 2023 5:38 AM

Wokism is generally defined as the view that society is currently and DELIBERATELY structured to oppress non-straight white males, that implicitly believes that all groups are equal when it comes to the distribution of ability, interest and talent, that structural discrimination and bias is the sole reason for all inequalities and disparities in outcomes, and the way to remedy these disparate outcomes is “equity,” which involves having proportional representation of groups, regardless of skill, talent or ability.

by Anonymousreply 9March 16, 2023 6:22 AM

Sorry, I know this is slightly off-topic, but that conservative co-host, Robby Soave, has major gayface.

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by Anonymousreply 10March 16, 2023 6:28 AM

R10, he’s a libertarian.

And yes, he does have major Gayface. He was a gay ally in college.

by Anonymousreply 11March 16, 2023 6:38 AM

R10, Robby Soave has a wife.

But he just strikes me as the kind of guy who’d be hooking up with guys if he were single.

Do you think he hooked up with a guy in college?

Does he have an open marriage with his wife?

by Anonymousreply 12March 16, 2023 6:59 AM

R12 Yeah he looks freaky. Those buttoned up conservative types are always into crazy shit.

by Anonymousreply 13March 16, 2023 7:06 AM

[quote]...and the way to remedy these disparate outcomes is “equity,” which involves having proportional representation of groups, regardless of skill, talent or ability.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a loser. This is why woke will never, ever work. Equity is unfair where equality is fair. No one with a brain is going to buy the proposition that the only way to true equality is through forced inequality. "Just let us, the repressed (self-defined), be racist or sexist toward you, the privileged (defined by us), for a while, then we'll call it even. We'll decide when we're done. Wait, why aren't you listening anymore?!" Yeah, that's genius.

by Anonymousreply 14March 16, 2023 7:25 AM

"He was a gay ally"


by Anonymousreply 15March 16, 2023 7:47 AM

R14 for hundreds of years, society has been structured on the assumption/pseudo-science that white straight males are the smartest and most capable. Sorry, that's bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 16March 16, 2023 10:20 PM

You can’t touch it, you can’t smell it, and no, you can’t taste it. You don’t have to hear it or see it either.

by Anonymousreply 17March 16, 2023 10:56 PM

Rico “Soave”.

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by Anonymousreply 18March 16, 2023 11:07 PM

Well...she tried.

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by Anonymousreply 19March 16, 2023 11:11 PM

It’s because she didn’t write the book!

by Anonymousreply 20March 17, 2023 12:26 AM

Gayface Robby Soave. Click to enlarge.

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by Anonymousreply 21March 17, 2023 12:41 AM

Claiming someone is *woke* is just a convenient way of denying or not accepting you’re being an asshole.

by Anonymousreply 22March 17, 2023 12:50 AM
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by Anonymousreply 23March 17, 2023 2:30 AM

Oh, look - a cockroach Muriel didn't manage to get rid of @R23!

by Anonymousreply 24March 17, 2023 2:32 AM

Well, let's see...

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by Anonymousreply 25March 17, 2023 2:36 AM

Mendel has been an idiot for quite a while.

[quote]As it happens, I spoke to Mandel a few months ago for another story I was reporting, and she hesitated then too:

[quote]Aymann Ismail: What do you mean by wokeness?

[quote]Bethany Mandel: So, in terms of children, it’s the idea of turning them—I think my best example is the board book Antiracist Baby, and it is … hold on. I have it. I have the text somewhere. The idea that you cannot be neutral, that this is a fundamental reshaping of our society. In the lens of anti-racism, in the lens of sexuality, that is not what we’ve traditionally thought. It’s the idea that we’re trying to turn our kids into modern warriors in these political battles about CRT and about sexuality and climate change and all of these things.

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by Anonymousreply 26March 17, 2023 2:47 AM

“What does ‘woke’ mean to you?” “….🤯….”

by Anonymousreply 27March 17, 2023 2:55 AM

That interviewee had a momentary brain fart. It happens.

However this group of young women cannot (or will not) define what a woman is:

They have been silenced out of fear of being cancelled.

Violent men is dresses have ripped out their tongues:

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by Anonymousreply 28March 17, 2023 2:56 AM

You keep trying R28.


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by Anonymousreply 29March 17, 2023 2:59 AM

Oh, bless your heart, r28. Well, you tried, lol.

by Anonymousreply 30March 17, 2023 3:00 AM

Replace it with something like "clutch" and it would make just as much sense.

by Anonymousreply 31March 17, 2023 3:01 AM

Violent men in dresses (transwomen) have also raped young women.

This short film looks at the thousands of women who have been hurt by men in dresses:

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by Anonymousreply 32March 17, 2023 3:02 AM

This site is infested with trolls spewing garbage talking points workshopped by the far right.

[quote]There are years of media, legislative and tactical strategy outlined in those emails; there are conversations in which some of the most well-known TERFs in the movement coordinate strategy and brainstorm talking points. It is a playbook for how anti-trans organizations operate and a compressed history of how the TERF movement joined forces with the Christian right to create the current moment.

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by Anonymousreply 33March 17, 2023 3:09 AM

[quote]That interviewee had a momentary brain fart. It happens.

Asshole, her entire public existence is based on profiting off of the demonization of "woke" and getting shits frothing-at-the-mouth, but per usual, you psycho, anti-trans loons want to take yet another thread and take your usual, steaming shit. What she did was tantamount to a doctor not being able to tell you what a stethoscope does, except in her case, her definition would be absolute bullshit even if she did define it.

I have issues with trans, but boy do i fucking loathe you assholes with a passion far more.

by Anonymousreply 34March 17, 2023 3:14 AM

^ And of course "a momentary brain fart" doesn't explain why this is the second time (that we know of) that she sputtered some word salad nonsense in answer to the very simple question of what SHE MEANS by "woke."

by Anonymousreply 35March 17, 2023 3:34 AM

What’s the big deal? Nobody can define “woman,” either.


by Anonymousreply 36March 17, 2023 3:34 AM

You're truly a glutton for punishment, R36, like every little MAGA foot soldier who shows up here. Not only does Muriel need to send you a computer virus but you need to be fucked by a dildo with razor blades attached to the head.

by Anonymousreply 37March 17, 2023 3:42 AM

DL was better without the non-subscribers. I'll never give money to a site that turns a blind eye to anti-trans trolls, no matter how obvious and idiotic they are.

by Anonymousreply 38March 17, 2023 3:44 AM

She had a momentary brain fart. But it's also a word that is part of an ideology that requires more explanation than a couple of sentences in a news broadcast.

An example of woke brain-rot renders those afflicted with wokeness unable to answer simple questions such as: What is a woman?

Here are a couple more academic definitions of woke:

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by Anonymousreply 39March 17, 2023 3:44 AM

I wonder which one of her gurus' talking points the troll is spewing: Matt Walsh, Brandon Straka, Charlie Kirk, Andy Ngo,..

by Anonymousreply 40March 17, 2023 3:46 AM

Huh, r37?

That seems kind of harsh.

by Anonymousreply 41March 17, 2023 3:47 AM

I wonder if 37 is a chick-with-a-dick rapist?

R37 just threatened violence.

by Anonymousreply 42March 17, 2023 3:48 AM

I think he's going light on r36, r41.

by Anonymousreply 43March 17, 2023 3:53 AM

Oh, and @perftronnie (Maja) is also our Froy/Madden troll!

by Anonymousreply 44March 17, 2023 3:55 AM

If you're pushing a diet telling people carbs are bad and someone asks "Explain why carbs are bad" and you can't, WTF would anyone take you seriously?

It's not a "brain fart" when it's the very core of your agenda and you can't immediately explain it. And she was given time and she still couldn't.

by Anonymousreply 45March 17, 2023 3:55 AM

"Academic definitions" of decades-old slang from a community of people these MAGAt assholes do not communicate with unless they are forced to.

by Anonymousreply 46March 17, 2023 3:55 AM

Awwww, poor, widdle triggered snowflake at r42.

by Anonymousreply 47March 17, 2023 3:55 AM

R44 Did you have a stroke?

by Anonymousreply 48March 17, 2023 3:56 AM

R47 Is joking about raping women.

Gender ideology is the ideology of rapists.

by Anonymousreply 49March 17, 2023 3:57 AM

When OANN decides "based" or "crunk" are the new panic terms, will we get a barrage of word-salad "academic definitions" of them as well?

by Anonymousreply 50March 17, 2023 3:59 AM

It's always fascinating to be there for a full manic meltdown.

by Anonymousreply 51March 17, 2023 3:59 AM

And it's also our Miles Helzer/Connor Jessup troll. That's one full bag of obsessive crazy!

by Anonymousreply 52March 17, 2023 4:02 AM

And the Chandler Massey troll!

by Anonymousreply 53March 17, 2023 4:04 AM

[quote] And the Chandler Massey troll!

Chambo! Chambo!

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by Anonymousreply 54March 17, 2023 4:11 AM


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by Anonymousreply 55March 17, 2023 4:13 AM

This bitch is so dumb.

by Anonymousreply 56March 17, 2023 4:13 AM

Someone is having a psychotic break in this thread.

They keep listing off imaginary, or possibly real commenters from years past, who they think are here now.

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by Anonymousreply 57March 17, 2023 4:19 AM

R34/R38, what is the definition of 'woman'?

by Anonymousreply 58March 17, 2023 4:32 AM

Here's a definition of woke:

Jamie Lee Curtis named her Oscar a "they/them" in honor of her sissy-porn sick troon son.

Wokeness has infected her brain.

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by Anonymousreply 59March 17, 2023 4:54 AM

What's *your* definition of woman, r58?

by Anonymousreply 60March 17, 2023 10:37 AM

I’m not r58, but the definition of “woman” is so simple anyone can say it:

Adult, human female.

There, that’s it. We all know it.

The left want to obscure, dilute & diminish the meaning. But we need a word hat describes the class of humanity who have the reproductive organs that give birth.

Farmers know this. It’s basic biology.

by Anonymousreply 61March 17, 2023 12:53 PM

I guess R34/R38 have decided to not share their definition of woman for some reason. What could that reason possibly be?

MAGAts and SJWokesters = the only two groups of people that can't figure out definitions for simple words.

by Anonymousreply 62March 17, 2023 9:31 PM

Oh, look another sock puppet @R61. You're still blathering here, @perftronnie?

by Anonymousreply 63March 17, 2023 9:38 PM

What language is R63 speaking in his damaged brain?

by Anonymousreply 64March 17, 2023 9:40 PM

Go twist your knickers over One Direction, or Miles Helzer, or pitbulls... just fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 65March 17, 2023 9:45 PM

Woke-ism is liberalism mixed with narcissism.

Just like Trump-ism is conservatism mixed with narcissism

by Anonymousreply 66March 17, 2023 9:45 PM

Yawn... Now you're trying bothsiderism? In the best Russian tradition.

by Anonymousreply 67March 17, 2023 9:47 PM

Isn't if funny that neither of those groups can see it, though, R66?

R67, you don't seem to understand what bothsiderism is.

by Anonymousreply 68March 17, 2023 9:48 PM

[quote] Those buttoned up conservative types are always into crazy shit.

R13 Are you into it as well? Or do you despise it?

by Anonymousreply 69March 17, 2023 9:49 PM

Also R66 doesn’t understand what “liberalism” is.

by Anonymousreply 70March 17, 2023 9:50 PM

In case you have a therapist, tell them to up or lower your dosage. Whatever this is, it's not working for your maniacal obsessions.

by Anonymousreply 71March 17, 2023 9:50 PM

“It means people who don’t vote for me get to live. Not my choice, but we’ll blame the media. We should be able to do whatever we want and not be told otherwise. But only if we’re old, white and wealthy.”

by Anonymousreply 72March 17, 2023 9:50 PM


[quote] i fucking loathe you assholes

by Anonymousreply 73March 17, 2023 9:56 PM

[quote] Woke-ism is liberalism mixed with narcissism.

It's important to signal your virtue as well as your woke-ism.

by Anonymousreply 74March 17, 2023 10:08 PM

The bothsiderism here is off the charts.

Look, conservatives want to destroy our democracy, make homosexuality illegal, give Russia any country it wants, and create a Christian nation.

Liberals are overly woke and sense perhaps more oppression than there actually is -- or maybe they're right about oppression.

Not quite the same.

by Anonymousreply 75March 17, 2023 10:14 PM

[quote] sense perhaps more oppression

They feel it because they have superior senses.

by Anonymousreply 76March 17, 2023 10:16 PM


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by Anonymousreply 77March 18, 2023 2:30 AM

[quote]I’ve written posts about Bethany Mandel before; she’s the ‘point person’ for testing the latest terrible right-wing ideas before her bigger-megaphone comrades start using them. If they flop (she was responsible for the ‘If it means I can take my kids to the park, call me a grandma-killer’ tweet at the start of lockdowns in 2020), she can take a year or two off, because her husband is a high-dollar think tank official and she’s technically ‘a full-time, stay-at-home mommy’. For the same reason, anyone who contradicts her wildly dishonest narratives… is being mean to a mother, which just goes to show all lie-berals hate kids, also the flag and probably apple pie.

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by Anonymousreply 78March 18, 2023 6:27 AM

A definition

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by Anonymousreply 79March 18, 2023 10:38 AM

I have a problem with the word "woke" itself. Shouldn't it be "awakened"?

by Anonymousreply 80March 18, 2023 10:47 AM

You could argue that DeSantis is imposing “identity politics” (white/hetero privilege), thought policing, and racism (wtf is “NeoRacism”?), using “statist/corporatist (his war on Disney)/cultural enforcement.”

by Anonymousreply 81March 18, 2023 11:49 AM

No shit. “Identity politics” for straight white males is also called “politics”

by Anonymousreply 82March 18, 2023 11:56 AM

Hey "Biology 101" who I assume was named after one of his failures, this " a Supreme Court nominee couldn't define 𝑤𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑛" is a right wing meme.

Like most rightwing memes it's a lie.

When asked, she responded that she would not define what a woman was because that was not her job. She explained pretty clearly what her job entailed and it wasn't taking bait from a rightwing piece of shit.

So she shut that asshole down, and like any other loser Republican, he pulled Trump style lie right out his ass.

And you gladly inserted it in yours.

Why don't you put a plug in it, liar?

by Anonymousreply 83March 18, 2023 12:04 PM

R79 I've never seen that definition before but Communist Intersectional Critical Theory sounds about right.

My old jogging club had a bunch of 20-something "queer" women worm their way into leadership positions within the group. They set up a DEI committee and then stated some nonsense about the running club being rooted in a history of racism, or some shit.

When I jogged with this chapter of Frontrunners, it was a laid-back social club for gay men and lesbians. We would meet up for a jog twice a week then go out for scones and coffee after the run. And we would usually have a potluck once a month. Pretty standard stuff.

Then these corporate-climbing 20-something "queer" bitches joined and implemented the DEI regime. I have no doubt they did it with the sole intent of padding their corporate resumes.

What was chilling about their statement on the website is this: There is a "report" button where members can report instances of microaggressions to the DEI committee. What the hell happened to it being a casual, friendly running club? Complaining to a group of 20-something queer straight sluts, if someone looks at you the wrong way, is the 2023 version Soviet-era snitching on neighbors.

Like everything else that used to belong to gay men and lesbians, this is just one example of the letters to the right of LGB taking over what used to be ours.

by Anonymousreply 84March 18, 2023 12:10 PM

"I know it when I see it" is what they used to say about obscenity and porn isn't it?

And those laws about banning obscenity have been so wildly inconsistent and arbitrary specifically because of that ambiguity.

"Wokeness" will never mean anything except as an excuse for fascists to ban whatever they want. The GOP are wannabe kings, ready to hand down arbitrary judgements with their mercy dependent on whether they've had a good BM that day.

by Anonymousreply 85March 18, 2023 12:12 PM

"Wokeness culture killed my dog!"

by Anonymousreply 86March 18, 2023 12:19 PM

Think before you speak. If your whole brand is built on being anti woke, and you can't come up with a precise answer of what woke means, you're an imbecile, a village idiot. And the only people stupider are the ones giving their money to said village idiot.

by Anonymousreply 87March 18, 2023 12:45 PM

It’s a meme because it’s true, r83. And the right are going to milk it for all its worth because it makes the left look like fools.

It truly is shameful that we have a SCOTUS judge unable & unwilling to define “woman.”

by Anonymousreply 88March 18, 2023 1:47 PM

R88. Don't mistake unwilling for unable.

She wasn't taking the bait from right-wing morons because she's not a schmuck. If she thought that was a serious question I'm sure she would have answered.

It wasn't. It was bait to have her on the record saying something stupid so that Fox could play the soundbite until their little brains exploded from constant orgasms.

by Anonymousreply 89March 18, 2023 1:54 PM

Oh, bullshit, r89. She refused to answer because she’s afraid the trans mob will threaten her like they do JK Rowling. Unlike JKR, Brown-Jackson can be cancelled.

How can she protect women’s rights if she doesn’t know what a woman is?

The Dems have boxed themselves into a corner thanks to their own misogyny & homophobia.

We will lose everything because of this T fever.

T ideology has been a very effective Trojan Horse.

by Anonymousreply 90March 18, 2023 2:33 PM

Oh shut it R90. Nobody is buying your Trans panic bullshit except trolls and morons.

Only one group is stripping away gay rights and those are the GOP whilst in bed with religious fanatics and neo-Nazis calling for our deaths.

by Anonymousreply 91March 18, 2023 2:35 PM

R91 We can fight both at the same time.

We've been fighting the likes of Jerry Falwell and his ilk for decades. And we won the culture war in the 90s and 2000s. Gay men and lesbians had wide-spread acceptance. Even now, the majority of the GOP support gay marriage.

But this gender shit, non-binary nonsense, DEI, and 68 genders is rightfully putting off normal people in the middle of the political spectrum.

Normal people are sick and tired of being lectured. Wokeness is a regressive ideology and isn't moving society forward. It is the opposite of being progressive.

And in regards to film, The Critical Drinker spells out why the concept of "updated for modern audiences" is woke nonsense:

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by Anonymousreply 92March 18, 2023 2:47 PM

False, r91.

This is a medical scandal. The second anti-gay plague I’ve seen in my lifetime.

We are in the midst of an atrocity.

It’s impossible to change sex…yet children are being experimented on. Nobody cares because the kids are likely gay.

Anyone who supports drugging, mutilating & sterilizing children should be ashamed of themselves.

Snap the fuck out of this insanity!

by Anonymousreply 93March 18, 2023 2:51 PM

R92. Yes, this is truly what victory looks like.

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by Anonymousreply 94March 18, 2023 2:52 PM

Nothing to see here.

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by Anonymousreply 95March 18, 2023 2:54 PM

Want to talk about hurting kids, let's not forget this little gem.

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by Anonymousreply 96March 18, 2023 2:55 PM

R95 What you're not grasping is that this is a reaction to the gender shit.

And you know that Congress passed a law enshrining gay marriage in law. But the facts don't matter to you because you're a black transwoman who is on a gay site trying to make us believe that gender ideology is somehow linked to gay men and lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 97March 18, 2023 2:57 PM

R97. I don't give a shit about gender ideology.

I give a shit about who's taking our rights away and using gender ideology as an excuse, and it ain't Democrats.

And the "reaction" excuse is pure bullshit. It's gay panic excuses all over again. "Something happened and now we HAVE to have this disproportionate and horrific reaction and be completely absolved from it. It's not our fault because they started it!"

That's the logic of a child. Or in your case, a Russian/right-wing troll, probably straight as an arrow, infiltrating this site to stir up hatred and sow division so Desantis, or whoever your messiah is this time, can "save" us all.

by Anonymousreply 98March 18, 2023 3:03 PM

You can ”thank” the trans for that, r94 / 96.

Not those of us who wanted to drop the T a decade ago.

T is a brutally effective Trojan Horse.

Why are you force teaming homosexuals with homophobes who want us to mutilate & sterilize ourselves? 🤔

by Anonymousreply 99March 18, 2023 3:06 PM

[quote]We've been fighting the likes of Jerry Falwell and his ilk for decades.

Not anymore. The anti-trans brigade is with them.

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by Anonymousreply 100March 18, 2023 3:07 PM

[quote] I don't give a shit about gender ideology.

Burn the witch! Burn the witch!

by Anonymousreply 101March 18, 2023 3:08 PM

Despite the repeated lie that trans rights are somehow turning off or weakening support from good salt of the Earth Americans...

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by Anonymousreply 102March 18, 2023 3:09 PM

So, r100? The Ts are with pedos & rapists. It’s a crazy world.

by Anonymousreply 103March 18, 2023 3:11 PM

R99. The amount of projection from you trolls is incredible.

You claim to want to disconnect gender ideology/trans from gay people, yet you're the one claiming that trans has anything to do with a bill seeking to ban SAME-SEX marriage. Which it doesn't because trans isn't mentioned at all.

And of course, you claim to be homosexuals but are more than happy to team up with homophobes calling us abnormal, threatening to kill us, and pushing conversion therapy on us.

by Anonymousreply 104March 18, 2023 3:12 PM

How about a vote instead of a poll, r102?

Or even a civilized debate?

by Anonymousreply 105March 18, 2023 3:12 PM

R103. No they aren't.

You're confusing the T for Christians. The priests carry a CROSS, not a T.

by Anonymousreply 106March 18, 2023 3:14 PM

I agree with your first sentence, r104. But it applies to your last sentence.

TRAs are the homophobes calling us abnormal, threatening to kill us, and pushing conversion therapy on us.

They want to drug & mutilate gender nonconforming children. They are the very definition of Trojan Horse & you need to pull your head out of your ass.

It’s impossible to change sex. Anyone born male will die male. Women require & deserve privacy from men. That includes men who “identify” as women. In fact, it especially includes men who identify as women as they are mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 107March 18, 2023 3:16 PM

R105, a vote? How about the last 3 election cycles? The press has been screaming that trans support would kill Dems at the polls and the exact opposite happened.

Hell, even Trump in 2016 was pretending to support trans rights.

by Anonymousreply 108March 18, 2023 3:16 PM

Anyway, as much fun as it is to call out the lies and bullshit of the right-wing anti-trans trolls, back to this asshole:

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by Anonymousreply 109March 18, 2023 3:17 PM

Yes, r106, there are a lot of pedos on the planet. They tried to infiltrate gay rights in the 1970s but we successfully pushed back.

Unfortunately, thanks to the likes of you, pedos are now not only welcomed in the “queer community, they are championed.

No fucking thank you.

by Anonymousreply 110March 18, 2023 3:18 PM

R107. Nah it doesn't.

But keep saying "Trojan Horse" until you're blue in the face. I'm sure Odysseus would be very proud.

by Anonymousreply 111March 18, 2023 3:18 PM

Are you kidding, r108?

Thanks to T bullshit, asshole Desantis could be our next President.

by Anonymousreply 112March 18, 2023 3:19 PM

That’s a funny comment, r111, coming from someone who believes men are women. 🤣

by Anonymousreply 113March 18, 2023 3:21 PM

R112. I didn't realize you could see the future. So when does Desantis announce his candidacy? And how much does he win the nomination by?

Oh and could I have next week's Lottery numbers too? Thanks a bunch.

by Anonymousreply 114March 18, 2023 3:21 PM

R113. You're thinking of Tiresias, not Odysseus.

Though R112 could keep them company by the sounds of it.

by Anonymousreply 115March 18, 2023 3:24 PM

Of course you lack reading comprehension, r114.

You’re unable to defend T ideology because it’s indefensible. It’s a lie. It requires faith in a gendered soul. It’s delusional.

by Anonymousreply 116March 18, 2023 3:25 PM

R116. Somebody's certainly delusional.

And it's hard to believe in a soul when you chat with people who so clearly lack one.

by Anonymousreply 117March 18, 2023 3:30 PM

It's hilarious that R112 thinks you can pin DeSantis possibly being elected president (still a far off possibility) on trans, when his support is among racists and gay-haters and he's getting the push from the press because he's a less crass (not really) version of Trump. He's using the same GOP playbook as all the ones before him, repackaged with shiny new pejoratives and scapegoats.

Anyway, do keep up:

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by Anonymousreply 118March 18, 2023 3:32 PM

Let's take a look at how these anti-trans trolls get into the same bed with anti-Semites and neonazis. Just Google "Jennifer Bilek + neonazis"

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by Anonymousreply 119March 18, 2023 3:38 PM

^ Oh no, that's just pure coincidence. Just like it's pure coincidence that the anti-trans laws are coming from the same folks pushing the anti-abortion laws, and they are supported by the most vicious garden-variety bigots. No, this is just a little bit of fascism targeted at only those who "really" deserve it. That can't possibly backfire, right?

by Anonymousreply 120March 18, 2023 3:46 PM

[quote]And you know that Congress passed a law enshrining gay marriage in law.

No it doesn't. But when the religious zealot wingnut majority on SCOTUS guts even the limited protections in that law, and one of the dissenters is the justice who refused to be baited with the "define a woman" bullshit, how will you adjust your narrative to still blame trans then?

by Anonymousreply 121March 18, 2023 3:49 PM

R117, is it possible to change sex?

by Anonymousreply 122March 18, 2023 3:51 PM

Mandel is a disgusting cunt. She mocked guys lining up to get a monkey pox shot, screeched online about her precious cunt droppings needing to wear masks to save worthless older people, and bragged about getting a man fired from his job at a grocery store. Vile sick individual.

by Anonymousreply 123March 18, 2023 3:53 PM

Dumbvida/Attmay/Perftronnie, it's time to adjust your meds and manage your psychotic breakdown.

by Anonymousreply 124March 18, 2023 3:53 PM

Let's take a look at how these TRA trolls get into the same bed with pedos, rapists & murderers.

Just google trans pedo. You’ll want to bleach your eyeballs after, but it’s important to actually see the truth behind the delusion.

by Anonymousreply 125March 18, 2023 3:54 PM

There's nothing "pundit"-like about that dumb cunt. She's just a right wing uber-Karen.

by Anonymousreply 126March 18, 2023 3:54 PM

Right-wing trolls: Trans are costing Dems elections!


[quote]Perhaps more significantly, LGBTQ+ candidates won at record-setting numbers. In 2018, the first year dubbed the “rainbow wave,” more than 400 queer candidates appeared on ballots nationwide, according to the Victory Institute, which works to elect LGBTQ+ officials. This year, 1,065 showed up on ballots across the country and 340 secured wins. Sean Meloy, vice president of political programs at the LGBTQ Victory Fund, which also works to get queer candidates elected, attributes some of that success to younger voters. “Generation Z and millennials came out at much higher numbers this year,” Meloy said. “Those are also the two generations that identify the most as LGBTQ people, who have the most LGBTQ friends. … I think when they’re seeing attacks on their friends or on themselves, there is going to be a consideration in getting out to vote because they want to achieve a world that is better for themselves and for their friends that are LGBTQ.”

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by Anonymousreply 127March 18, 2023 3:57 PM

Though I'm sure some idiots here will line up to defend her because she hates " THE TRANS!" as well.

by Anonymousreply 128March 18, 2023 3:58 PM

R121 I remember you now. You were the train pushing the lie a few days ago where you tried to argue that the law somehow didn't enshrine gay marriage into law.

Do you honestly Dem. lawmakers didn't consider a possible challenge from the SC?

news flash: they did.

please cite your sources to back up your claim, you insane train.

by the way, here's my favorite song about trains:

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by Anonymousreply 129March 18, 2023 3:59 PM

Oops! Looks like the Republicans' war on woke isn't going so well for them:

A GOP war on 'woke'? Most Americans view the term as a positive, USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds

By 56%-39%, Americans say 'woke' means being aware of social injustice, not being overly politically correct.

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by Anonymousreply 130March 18, 2023 4:06 PM

R128 I haven't discussed the federal law on this site since it passed.

But no, it does not "enshrine" gay marriage into law because it does not require that any state actually permit it. IOW, it does not codify Obergefell. But if all US states and territories outlawed gay marriage, the federal law can't do anything about it. That's not a criticism, it's just acknowledgement of the different roles Congress and SCOTUS are supposed to play with constitutional rights.

And if you think the radical conservatives on SCOTUS give a flying fuck about whether there's a legitimate basis to gut laws they don't like, well no wonder you're willing to get in bed with them.

by Anonymousreply 131March 18, 2023 4:08 PM


civics 101:

The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the "supreme Law of the Land", and thus take priority over any conflicting state laws.

And did you like the song about trains?

by Anonymousreply 132March 18, 2023 4:13 PM

^ OK I understand from your rantlings that you are not very smart, so I'll try and break it down.

Obergefell (SCOTUS case): outlawing gay marriage is unconstitutional, so no state or territory can outlaw it. Period. That ENSHRINES gay marriage into law.

Respect for Marriage Act: all states/territories and the feds must recognize a valid (legal) marriage from another state. It does not and cannot say whether any state must permit it. Thus, it does not ENSHRINE gay marriage into law.

The distinction is not complicate, but it is critical, because if SCOTUS overturns Obergefell, many states can AND WILL outlaw gay marriage again. And if SCOTUS also guts RFMA, the recognition requirement goes too. But you don't have to believe me:

[quote]The Respect for Marriage Act will ensure that interracial and same-sex marriages are statutorily protected even if decisions like Loving and Obergefell are ultimately overturned. While it does not require every state to solemnize these unions, it requires all states to recognize and respect any interracial or same-sex marriages that are validly performed in other states. It also ensures that the federal government will treat such marriages as legitimate, which provides crucial protection in areas like immigration, taxation, and access to federal benefit programs.

That "validly performed in other states" requirement is critical. It has to be legal somewhere *first.*

Hopefully that's basic enough for you to follow.

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by Anonymousreply 133March 18, 2023 4:25 PM

R133 But did you like the song about trains?

by Anonymousreply 134March 18, 2023 4:27 PM

You're arguing with an idiot RWNJ troll, R133. It's like trying to explain string theory to a meerkat.

by Anonymousreply 135March 18, 2023 4:29 PM

^ The meerkat would fare better than this troll.

by Anonymousreply 136March 18, 2023 4:30 PM

R37 is an example of the love, openness and warmth of the trans movement ❤ I love my trans sisters and brothers and my non-binary siblings, they are so kind, gentle and TOLERANT!!! 💗💕💓

by Anonymousreply 137March 18, 2023 4:35 PM

[quote]But Mandel was then rescued by the program’s conservative co-host, Robby Soave, who stepped in to say, “It’s definitely something that you know what it is when you see it.”

How did that rescue her?

by Anonymousreply 138March 18, 2023 4:37 PM

Thanks R133 for dressing down that troll with actual facts.

DL has really gone to the pits but that made me feel better.

by Anonymousreply 139March 18, 2023 4:37 PM


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by Anonymousreply 140March 18, 2023 4:40 PM

Arrived for your evening troll shift, "Avinadav"? Does being a sock puppet on weekends pay extra?

by Anonymousreply 141March 18, 2023 4:40 PM

I love that her being an idiot going viral has resulted in more people discovering just how fucking evil Mandel is.

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by Anonymousreply 142March 18, 2023 4:55 PM

puberty blockers made kids sterile and unable to have orgasms in adulthood

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by Anonymousreply 143March 18, 2023 5:18 PM

^ Take your wingnut antiscience bullshit elsewhere. The limited research on it so far do not show puberty blockers causing infertility. But they can eliminate or reduce the need for the cross-sex hormones that do.

[quote]Although the treatments are considered safe, they are not risk-free. Most transgenders become infertile as a result of the hormonal switching medications. Estrogens diminish sperm production in males, and testosterone’s cessation of menses can cause polycystic ovaries in women; these changes usually lead to infertility. Some late-pubertal male patients have opted for sperm banking, but equivalent options for women are limited. Egg freezing is an arduous and expensive procedure requiring ovarian hyperstimulation with HCG, akin to women undergoing in vitro fertilization, and not as likely to be successful, especially if the ovaries are immature when GnRH-suppressed.


[quote]Among the arguments for using pubertal blockers to gain more diagnostic time is that patients will not need as many cross-sex hormones later in the transition process. Fewer estrogens in patients means a decreased risk of blood clotting and pulmonary embolism; fewer androgens reduces the likelihood of hypertension. Another plus, Spack said, is that most male-to-female adult patients who took GnRH analogues end up with appropriate size breasts for their frame and never feel the need to have further reconstructive surgery.

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by Anonymousreply 144March 19, 2023 12:13 AM

[quote] I love my trans sisters and brothers and my non-binary siblings, they are so kind, gentle and TOLERANT!!!

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by Anonymousreply 145March 19, 2023 12:17 AM

More actual science.

[quote]There is no substantiated evidence that GnRHa treatment for CPP impairs reproductive function or reduces fertility. In most girls, gonadal function is restored promptly after cessation of therapy, with subsequent menarche and regular ovulatory menstrual cycles [32, 58, 88]. Using structured interviews among 135 adult women with CPP treated with GnRHa, 61 women with untreated CPP, and 466 controls matched for age, education, marital status, and parity [89], pregnancy was uneventful in 90% of all 3 groups. Unassisted pregnancy rates were similar in GnRHa-treated women with CPP and controls (>90%), while, in this series, untreated women with a history of CPP were more likely to require assisted fertility therapy. In another group of 46 women with CPP (aged 19.0–31.3 years), 71% experienced regular, spontaneous menstrual cycles, with normal fertility and offspring. The menstrual history is reported to be normal in all women previously treated with GnRHa for CPP, except for those with organic causes such as anterior pituitary lesions [56]. The outcomes of 113 pregnancies included 97 uneventful pregnancies with healthy children, 5 elective abortions, and 11 early miscarriages. Limited data exist on reproductive function in males treated for CPP but they include normal serum testosterone [32, 90], gonadotropin concentrations, and semen analysis [90]. Data on paternity rates and fertility are not available.

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by Anonymousreply 146March 19, 2023 12:18 AM

And absolutely no one objects to more and ongoing research. Kids and adults medically transing are so small in number there is a concentrated push to get as many as possible into clinical trials. Now fuck off.

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by Anonymousreply 147March 19, 2023 12:21 AM

[quote] there is a concentrated push to get as many as possible

Liliy Contino says they need to get the surgery as soon as possible before this fad subsides.

by Anonymousreply 148March 19, 2023 12:31 AM

R144, did you miss the second sentence of your own quoted text? And, the last sentence in your quoted text at R146? You're being delibrately obtuse.

by Anonymousreply 149March 19, 2023 12:42 AM

^ Do you not understand that "hormonal switching medications" are not puberty blockers? And did you not see my post about the limited research?

"Puberty blockers cause infertility" is a false statement based on the available evidence. And if you don't understand why, you're not obtuse, just a liar or stupid.

by Anonymousreply 150March 19, 2023 12:45 AM

R142, she also wrote some nonsense about befriending Neo-Nazis.

She's just a fucking asshole, like the rest of these grifting shits who make their money off of complete idiots.

by Anonymousreply 151March 19, 2023 12:47 AM

R150, what part of the words "puberty blocker" do you not understand? Do you understand how puberty blockers block puberty? To try to separate "puberty blocker" from "hormone" is disingenuous. Puberty blockers have never been used on pubescent adolescents like they are being used now. They were used to delay puberty in children who were too young for puberty but had medical conditions that made them start going through puberty when they were only, say, 7 or 8. The brain development that takes place during puberty is akin to the development during the toddler years. They are fucking with things in ways they DO NOT yet understand.

[quote]We are not sure if puberty blockers have negative side effects on bone development and height. Research so far shows that the effects are minimal. However, we won’t know the long-term effects until the first people to take puberty-blockers get older.

And, you can ask Jazz Jennings how the mini-dick worked out.

[quote]If you have erectile tissue (penis) and think you might eventually want to have a vaginoplasty, talk with your primary care provider or endocrinologist for more information. Vaginoplasty is the surgical procedure that creates a vagina. If you start taking puberty blockers early in puberty you might not be able to have the vaginoplasty surgery that is most commonly used in Canada, later as an adult. There are alternative techniques available, such as the use of a skin graft or colon tissue.

And, who really needs brains or eyes...

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by Anonymousreply 152March 19, 2023 1:18 AM

[quote] gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonists.

Agonists producing agony.

by Anonymousreply 153March 19, 2023 1:26 AM

R153, none of your screeching justifies the false statement that puberty blockers cause infertility.

No one, literally no one, says they are definitively harmless or that more research shouldn't happen. In fact, the only people blocking research are those outlawing it because of course if no one can do it, no one can study it.

by Anonymousreply 154March 19, 2023 1:32 AM

So, you're good with them experimenting on children then, R154? And, it's not like they are experimenting with drugs to cure children's cancer on children with cancer. They are giving powerful drugs to children with mental problems to, get this...prevent them from having mental problems. Weak.

Transing kids is the lobotomy of the modern world. It will end in the same way, too. You are on the wrong side.

by Anonymousreply 155March 19, 2023 1:42 AM

^ You are an idiot. Can't manage a talking point that isn't bullshit, so just keep moving the goalposts.

by Anonymousreply 156March 19, 2023 1:48 AM

Is this tedious troll with the IQ of a turnip still yapping pseudoscience into the abyss? Muriel should put her/him/it into a lunatic troll quarantine, along with Attmay and Dumbvida. Hell, who knows, it might be one of their unmedicated multiple personalities.

by Anonymousreply 157March 19, 2023 1:57 AM

This is an abusive conversation.

by Anonymousreply 158March 19, 2023 1:58 AM

If her entire job is bitching about wokeness then she should be able to define it. Fuck this "brain fart" shit some of you are pushing.

by Anonymousreply 159March 19, 2023 2:01 AM

Un Woke = Bigot

by Anonymousreply 160March 19, 2023 2:02 AM

Yes, it's borderline abusive how much the right wing anti-trans trolls keep lying.

Such as R152 who links to an FDA warning about puberty blockers while screeching how they are being used in this whole brand new dangerous way, when in fact per the link (clearly the dumbass didn't bother to read it) explains that the FDA warning is based on a total of 6 cases, only ONE is a trans child, and the rest are for precocious puberty--the old supposedly not dangerous way.

[quote]Five of the six cases which exhibited links between GnRH agonist use and pseudotumor cerebri included patients who were undergoing treatment for central precocious puberty, a condition where the body matures far sooner than expected. One of the cases identified by the FDA involved a patient taking GnRH for transgender care.

by Anonymousreply 161March 19, 2023 2:03 AM

R161, it was enough of a clear issue that the FDA added an official warning. They don't do that for shits and giggles. But, I'm sure your desire to pump children full of chemicals to support your political agenda should take precedence.

I love how you morons are attacking science with feelings and acting righteous about it. It's hilarious.

BTW, speaking of science, just wondering...what's your definition of 'woman' and 'man'?

I'll go first. A woman is an adult human female. A man is an adult human male. Your turn, you bunch of science loving geniuses.

by Anonymousreply 162March 19, 2023 6:10 AM

[quote]I love how you morons are attacking science

Says the troll who can't read his own links.

5 of those 6 children were on puberty blockers for precocious puberty, which is treated primarily for psychological and social reasons. If you're so worried about putting children's lives at risk, show me anywhere the concern over the last several decades for their use for this purpose, and how the calculation was made that these supposedly dangerous (not really) puberty blockers were worth the risk just so children felt more comfortable about their bodies among their peers.

And since you're so worried about children, I'm sure you can't point to me your similar freakout over the far more dangerous drugs children are prescribed for far less serious reasons. Like Accutane. Or Ritalin. Or Lithium. Or Tylenol.

Actually, you can't, because you're full of shit.

by Anonymousreply 163March 19, 2023 9:06 AM

R163 Are you ever not on datalounge? You're always here pushing gender ideology.

Do you even take time out of your day to dilate?

by Anonymousreply 164March 19, 2023 9:39 AM

R164. We could say the same about you.

Do you take the time to have normal conversations where the word "dilate" doesn't come up?

That word must just haunt your dreams based on how frequently you use it.

Do us all a favor and find a therapist rather than trying to work out your dilation fetish on here.

by Anonymousreply 165March 19, 2023 10:20 AM

This post from the ftm sub-reddit was posted yesterday by a teenager who plans on getting a double mastectomy. She is on the sub complaining about her mom who asked her to watch 3 videos from detransitioners.

She talks about her parents paying for the surgery and she's worried about getting grounded if she goes against the wishes of her mother.

Many in the comments are telling her to "go no contact" with her mom after she gets her parents to pay for the mastectomy.

This literal child is worried about being grounded, and at the same time, is planning to amputate healthy body parts.

This is fucking crazy. How did it get to this point?

And how many of these kids are going to regret cutting their tits and dicks a decade from now?

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by Anonymousreply 166March 19, 2023 10:20 AM

R166. The parallels with abortion is actually pretty striking.

"Watch these videos about how abortions ruined young girls' lives before you have one!"

What's the point of all this emotional blackmail?

by Anonymousreply 167March 19, 2023 10:27 AM


They don't value talent or hard work and believe that people should be hired on the basis of diversity quotas.

All that breeds is laziness and mediocrity, as we have seen in recent years.

by Anonymousreply 168March 19, 2023 10:46 AM

God R166. Try to troll a little more subtly.

13 W&Ws on a 30 minute old post this far down a thread like this? So obvious.

I doubt 13 different people have come through this thread in the last 2 hours, let along 30 minutes.

Put your sock puppets away and save them for your late night wank. You aren't fooling anybody.

by Anonymousreply 169March 19, 2023 10:49 AM

[quote]If her entire job is bitching about wokeness then she should be able to define it. Fuck this "brain fart" shit some of you are pushing.

She's legitimately mentally ill. She's been well-known on Twitter for years for posting things like "I took my mother off life support before we even knew if she'd survive or not" and writing articles about how we should make friends with Nazis. She was the one who said early in the pandemic that we shouldn't take any precautions at all, because fuck old people, and in response to criticism said "You can call me a grandma killer, I don't care."

She's got about 100 tweets complaining about service people and bragging about getting them fired. Bethany Mandel is just a really shitty person with some insanity mixed in.

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by Anonymousreply 170March 19, 2023 10:55 AM

"My mother abused me so I abuse my kids in the same way!" - Bethany Mandel, literally

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by Anonymousreply 171March 19, 2023 10:59 AM


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by Anonymousreply 172March 19, 2023 11:45 AM

R163, those children are being given those medications after much more testing and for actual medical conditions, not make believe ones. Your argument is that radiation should not be used on cancer patients for whom it is the best treatment or, perhaps a treatment of last resort, because radiation isn't good for healthy people. My argument is that radiation, while dangerous, is sometimes necessary to treat life-threatening illness but should not be used on otherwise healthy people because they are pretending to have cancer.

Also, those children who need dangerous treatments for life-threatening conditions are not being permanently scarred before the age of consent based on "feelings". They are ill. And, who cares what the children who had their brains swell and lost their vision while on puberty blockers were being treated for? It happened and now more and more doctors have no issue shoving those chemicals into more and more adolescent bodies. You're ridiculous.

And also, R163, you forgot to tell me your definition of 'woman' and 'man'? I'm sure that was just an oversight on your part. So, here's another chance for you. We'll wait...

by Anonymousreply 173March 19, 2023 11:56 AM

Listen, cunt: if I'm interested in what Matt Walsh or Chaya Raichik have to say I'd go right to the source. I don't need some bargain basement troll to do their bidding. Now, go die in a grease fire.

by Anonymousreply 174March 19, 2023 12:18 PM

Oh, gawd, r167 — SHUTTUP.

That’s where you go when confronted with a teen girl wanting a double-mastectomy?

Your brain is a salad. So are your words.

Emotional blackmail is threatening suicide for not having access to the opposite sex bathroom.

Jesus, you TRAs are fucking NUTS. 😳

Sick, sick, sickos — the lot of you.

by Anonymousreply 175March 19, 2023 12:53 PM

I’m sure the GOP is working on a standardized definition of woke that will go out with their list of talking points. We will soon hear all the pundits parroting the exact same verbiage on however they decide to define it.

by Anonymousreply 176March 19, 2023 1:01 PM

R174 = Dana Rivers, the straight white man who murdered a lesbian couple, their son & then set their home on fire.

Should have been prosecuted for a hate crime, but “trans”

by Anonymousreply 177March 19, 2023 1:02 PM

R10 = Head cookie sniffer.

by Anonymousreply 178March 19, 2023 1:20 PM

In a weird way, it's informative to have the resident TRA on datalounge. This TRA's behavior is very much in line with other TRAs I've interacted with on reddit.

When confronted with the alarming reddit post at R166 most rational adults look at that scenario and are rightfully horrified. But not the local DL TRA. She's all for it.

It is not normal for healthy teenagers to want to have double mastectomies. And like in a cult, the others in that FtM sub-reddit are cheering her on to do it. The young teenager talks about the operation as if she's going to Disney World. She thinks that cutting off body parts will cure her of anxiety and depression.

She has been so brainwashed, it honestly reminds me of the Heaven's Gate cult. Before that group offed themselves, they all made videos where they talked about how wonderful it will be when they finally kill themselves and ascend to the spaceship. They were so joyful in their resolve to die. Ironically, they too cut off body parts, mostly their penises.

Also, what's effing crazy is that trans activists have wormed their way into unpaid mod positions across reddit, and other social media platforms, in order to promote gender ideology and silence critics through muting, permanent bans, and by nuking subs that are critical of gender ideology.

Their need to control the narrative knows no bounds and is very similar to the DL TRA. She is constantly pleading to "Muriel" to nuke threads and shut down conversation around this subject.

And in almost all gay subs, save one, you will be permanently banned for saying that lesbians don't have penises and gay men don't have vaginas. That's crazy.

The good news is that we've turned a corner. Across the globe, regular people are waking up and pushing back against the nonsense. And the excellent podcast, The Witch Trials of JK Rowling, examines the current moment we're in. In the latest episode, "chapter 5: the tweets" the interviewer talks with Rowling about the tweets that made trans activists froth with rage.

Gender ideology is a new religion. And like any cult/religion there must be a devil. Rowling is the devil to these cultish freaks.

by Anonymousreply 179March 19, 2023 1:45 PM

Define "conservative pundit": Fascist Shill

by Anonymousreply 180March 19, 2023 1:54 PM

Fun fact: radical anti slavery activists in the 1860s were called "The Wide Awakes."

The kind of people who hate "woke" now, would hate the "Wide Awakes" then.

Just say you wish black people would shut up and stop making you feel guilty.

Just be honest.

by Anonymousreply 181March 19, 2023 2:02 PM

R173 still stuck in nonsensical rant mode because they can't read, don't know anything about FDA warnings, and don't understand the risk/benefit ratio of health care.

Don't you know how many FDA warnings have been issued about Tylenol? Don't you know how many cHiLDrEN! have been hOSpITaLIZeD! due to severe reactions and complications from ordinary use of Tylenol? DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT CHILDREN? Why are you letting children continue to be EXPERIMENTED on with this dangerous drug that remains over the counter just to alleviate moderate pain hen there are other pain relievers available??? *

*Since you're dense as fuck, allow me to explain that this is how ridiculous you sound due to your inability to read and comprehend basic info from articles discussing the science.

by Anonymousreply 182March 19, 2023 2:02 PM

R179 has gone from making up lies about puberty blockers causing infertility to making up a whole fake story about a stranger based on a post on the internet and pushing crazy conspiracy theories about being surrounded by trans people.

Totally normal, healthy troll behavior.

by Anonymousreply 183March 19, 2023 2:05 PM

It’s really weird to see posts like 182 & 183 minimize the dangers of blocking the puberty of physically healthy but mentally unwell children. And then make fun of people who care about kids.

by Anonymousreply 184March 19, 2023 2:15 PM

“Woke” was a black term about learning about anti-racism. Black millennials bought into the white narrative that racism was over and we live in a post racial society. Social media and camera phones exposed that it was a lie and understanding racism existing was being “woke”. Enlightened.

And basically after that white people said “what about me” and they raped it with their causes and their right wing parents turned the word into a weapon.

by Anonymousreply 185March 19, 2023 2:43 PM

R184 = another troll who can't read.

by Anonymousreply 186March 19, 2023 2:45 PM

R181 What’s annoying about racists is they talk and say the same exact shit you can find in an article from the 1800’s.

The idea of racism has never been accepted in the US. Hollywood rewrote the narrative. That’s why the Klan put sheets on their heads because they didn’t want to be exposed.

“I’m not racist BUT …” goes all the way back. It’s not new. White people have no problem being racist, they just have a problem when they’re called out on it.

by Anonymousreply 187March 19, 2023 2:47 PM

"Woke" literally means just being aware, in the context of social justice.

Conservatives are such snowflakes.

by Anonymousreply 188March 19, 2023 2:48 PM

R186 is an obvious liar. On two counts.

by Anonymousreply 189March 19, 2023 2:55 PM

Imagine being such a cretin your tweets violate Germany's hate speech laws.

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by Anonymousreply 190March 19, 2023 2:56 PM

When conservatives complain about "woke" it's always really about being racist and homophobic. They hate that they can't say the n-word or express their disgust about 2 men being married to each other, so they rally against "woke" and "the woke left" and claim they're being silenced by "the thought police." They want their kids to go to school and learn that slaves enjoyed being slaves and that the US was founded as a White Protestant ethno-state and that the bible should guide our laws and culture. They'll drop terms like "CRT" and "puberty blockers" to inflame their audience, but it's all spin to make themselves sound intelligent when they're just bigots who want to hate on other people openly and receive validation for it. On DL they need to deflect from the homophobia rampant in their point of view so they focus on trans people and use divide and conquer tactics to "drop the T" from "the LGB." But they're the same racist and homophobic bigots that they are in the real world, calling out "wokeness" because they're really mad that they can't be openly bigoted without consequences.

by Anonymousreply 191March 19, 2023 2:57 PM

Wrong, r191.

The “woke” are actually in a coma re: the deadliness of T ideology.

by Anonymousreply 192March 19, 2023 3:01 PM

^ Of course the trolls keep trying to divert the discussion from the racism to the anti-trans hysteria. Protecting their allies.

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by Anonymousreply 193March 19, 2023 3:03 PM

Oh, yay…more proof of institutional capture at 193’s link. 🙄

Just what we need.

by Anonymousreply 194March 19, 2023 3:06 PM


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by Anonymousreply 195March 19, 2023 3:07 PM

Pathetic, every last one of them.

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by Anonymousreply 196March 19, 2023 3:20 PM

It's hard to believe, but in Germany, the crimes of the Third Reich, and the complicity of a vast swath of the German population, was forced into a black hole for almost 2 decades after the war.

It was only until the Frankfurt Auschwitz trials of 1963/4 that the true scope of the state crimes of the Nazi dictatorship became forcibly known to most of the public - and the older people *hated it.

This is what we're going through.

White people are being forced to face up to the crimes of their parents and grandparents and they *hate it.

by Anonymousreply 197March 19, 2023 4:18 PM

"Stay Woke" used to be an expression to remind the black community to stay vigilant and aware of racism, oppression and injustice. Now it is used as a general term to describe virtue signaling radical leftist social justice warriors.

by Anonymousreply 198March 19, 2023 4:32 PM

No, it has been co-opted by angry white conservatives to describe anything they don't like or makes them uncomfortable.

No one on the Left says "woke" any more.

by Anonymousreply 199March 19, 2023 5:12 PM

The manic troll's time would be better spent on its other hobby: stalking barely legal Hispanic twinks on TikTok.

by Anonymousreply 200March 19, 2023 5:22 PM

Gotta love TransLounge's ability to turn every single topic into a trans thread... /s

by Anonymousreply 201March 19, 2023 6:27 PM

What, r197? No.

You wish.

The truth is: we are in a backlash against gay rights & women’s rights.

Homophobia & misogyny go hand-in-hand.

This is the first time ever in the history of humankind that homosexuals can marry each other, & women can work, vote, & own their own property without a man.

The 1970s were a big deal. We underestimated them.

Today’s kids are ignorant, naive & dangerous. They want to bravely stand up for the underdog. But it’s all just optics. They missed out on the 1960s & 70s. They will never be as brave as those generations.

by Anonymousreply 202March 19, 2023 6:40 PM

It's almost like a rally filled with TRAs, isn't it, R201? You obviously haven't been paying attention to the world, dear, if you think it's anyone but the TRAs who turn everything into being about trans.

by Anonymousreply 203March 19, 2023 6:42 PM

Oh, new sock puppets! This is shaping to be a Sunday Punch & Judy show!

by Anonymousreply 204March 19, 2023 6:45 PM

Go obsess over Troye Sivan - time better spent.

by Anonymousreply 205March 19, 2023 6:49 PM

[quote] You obviously haven't been paying attention to the world, dear, if you think it's anyone but the TRAs who turn everything into being about trans.

I have. And no one else cares. It's only here and people like you who obsess about trans, trans, trans. "Can you believe this tranny did this?" "Look at this tranny and what it said?"

This post by R6 is the one who made it about trans, does the poster sound like a TRA to you?:

[quote] Not as bad as when a Supreme Court nominee couldn't define 𝑤𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑛 though she will be expected to spend decades ruling on laws specific to them

by Anonymousreply 206March 19, 2023 7:21 PM

As recent posters mentioned, "woke" came up through the black community, and reflected a view through a Marxist lens.

-The working class (proletariat) became aware of what the upper class (bourgeoisie) was doing to them.

-The proletariat started talking more and more about class and shared their views, online especially.

- The Bourgeoisie saw what was happening, said "oh shit" and decided to hijack the "woke" label, redefine it, then make the movement all about "anti-woke".

by Anonymousreply 207March 19, 2023 11:56 PM
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