Ron DeSantis wants to revoke the liquor license for the Hyatt Regency in Miami

100% Hyatt will cave in, of course - no more drag

Fascist.

Something something the party of small government.

Trump is stupid. He is nuts.

Well, he can't do that. He's just playing to his base of deplorable dipshits.

He's a stupid bastard. Dangerous though. Other Republican led states are watching. Wtf does he care what grown adults are doing in an adult environment?

Book banning, fascist, fattie wants what, now?

I thought the GOP prides themselves on less government interference??

Your move, Huckabeast.

[quote] The Florida State Senate tomorrow will debate a bill to ban programs that promote DEI in state colleges & universities. But the legislation has led to concerns that Black fraternities & sororities will be barred from Florida campuses.

[quote] Florida’s House passed the bill on Monday

And funny how he just assumes that just because its a drag show it just must be "lascivious."

Working hard on the difficult issues we are care about...

How about working on the quickly rising home insurance and the cost of real estate in FL?

[quote]Trump is stupid. He is nuts.

Indeed he is, but what does that have to do with this?

Big base, though, R5. In uncertain times, nothing more dangerous than easy answers.

R12, I meant it seems likely it will be one or the other and both are awful, but Trump is mostly talk whereas Fatty2.0 tries to actually do some of this shit.

The drag show was a few months ago!

He’s ridiculous.

This is going to be the biggest doth protest candidate of all time. Bet on it. And when it surfaces it will be raunchy. I’m talking ass up, gagged, neck choker and handcuffed to bed.

This is what the cunts who CHOOSE to live in Florida want.

Flintstones reruns banned in Florida

Given the shit DeSantis has pulled over the last year or so, it’s truly scary wtf he would try to do as President.

Let’s hope President Biden is up to the task of stopping him. In many ways, he’d be worse than Trump.

The sudden obsession with drag queens is bizarre. It's not like people taking their children to PG drag performances is anything new, but idiots like Desantis act like they're exposing some secret dark underground. Weird.

What’s up with his obsession with Drag Queens? I think he might be just a bit fruity, a hint of mint, lite in the loafers.

Bigcock master feet is on cam tonight

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

The hypocrisy of the far-right’s “issue points” is truly strange. They advocate “parental rights” about what kids are taught in school, what books the kids can read, what teachers can teach. On the other hand, parents have no right to take their kids to a drag show, or to decide to consent to gender affirming heal care.

I’m confused about what, exactly, repugs believe parental rights are.

Wee DeSantis is jealous that he can only wear cowboy boots and lifts to seem taller whilst drag performers have stilettos.

Call it drag church and seek protection under religious freedom.

He can't high hat the Hyatt.

[quote] I’m confused about what, exactly, repugs believe parental rights are.

It helps if you think of it as a bait-n-switch shell game, R25

[quote]The Florida State Senate tomorrow will debate a bill to ban programs that promote DEI in state colleges & universities. But the legislation has led to concerns that Black fraternities & sororities will be barred from Florida campuses.

According to the article, the DEI bill is about hiring practices and academics. But of course a Dem politician had to fan fear about fraternities and sororities.

I don't see what's wrong with banning DEI from the hiring process as UNC did. Candidates are partly (if not more) hired on their DEI plans for their instruction and academic work. Anyone who doesn't see it as an imposition of a specific ideology (the Marxist-type critical theories) on academic freedom is deeply misguided. Same with CRT - things would've been ok if it was really taught only as one legal theory amongst many. This is what the progressive commentariat wants you to think but it's far from the case. CRT and the other critical theories have percolated in the humanities and social sciences for decades until capturing whole faculties and colleges. You'd think sciences would be immune but no - biology esp. the evolutionary biology field is under wholesale attack from the gender ideology, and even math is now 'problematic' and 'a product of white supremacy'. In fricking University!

On top, DEI capture has forced universities to put in several layers of 'thought' bureaucracy with 6-figure salaries, and hire expensive consultants from the 'correct' foundations.

I grew up under 'advanced socialism' in Eastern Europe and DEI is the carbon copy of some of the indoctrination I had to go through in school and university.

R30 is an idiot. If you believe in "academic freedom" then you shouldn't have a problem with an academic theory. You pretend to care about academia but you're on the same side as the least educated people in politics like Lauren Boebert and Madison Cawthorn

It also bans courses based on 'unproven, theoretical, and exploratory content'. You could use that to shut down every Bible College in the state.

Some Like It Hot took place in Florida. Will it now be banned?

R31, if you have to start with ad hominem you've lost the argument.

I said : would've been ok if it was really taught only as one legal theory amongst many. So the rest of your so-called argument is typical strawmanning, and it's perfectly clear you have no idea what's really been going on in academia for decades.

Omg, my sister has taken her two daughters to the Rupaul drag show tours since the youngest was 14. They're now 21 and 17 and the 21 year old is about to graduate with honors with a degree in Math and the 17 year old finished high school and got an associates degree a semester before the rest of her classmates. She'll start working on her bachelors in the fall with a generous scholarship. And they both ended up heterosexual and cisgender.

I'm so disappointed in them. ☹️

Who would have thought that Trump will be the moderate candidate in the upcoming GOP primary?

It's what Meatball Ron, his incarcerated pedophile best friend, and a bunch of old white Republican men tell parents it is, R25.

Sounds fair, right?

If he hates drag queens so much, why did he marry one?

I think he'll eventually self-destruct.

Youngkin or Trump form the nominee.

"Someone needs to tie a can to that little broad's tail!"

R30, I do not know what school you went to, but CRT is taught as one theory among many.

You miss the point that DEI is supported by the US Constitution. Discrimination on the basis of race, religion, gender, or ethnic origin are illegal under US law. DEI supports legal compliance. Maybe it is indoctrination into following the law, but what is next? Is teaching students not to steal or murder going to be forbidden as ideological indoctrination?

Liquor licenses are controlled at the county level. No?

Now I am starting to understand how he is worse than Trump. Can you imagine what else he will ban if he became president?

[quote]And funny how he just assumes that just because its a drag show it just must be "lascivious."

It was. You can find clips on YouTube.

[quote]One performer — decorated with red fluorescent breasts — sang a number titled “Screwdolph the Red-Nippled Reindeer,” according to a Florida Voice reporter who attended the event.

Give us the links R45. That sounds pretty funny

[quote] And funny how he just assumes that just because its a drag show it just must be "lascivious."

They are. That’s what drag is.

Why don't the choreographers, parents and attendants of these dance shows where little girls put on makeup, skimpy outfits and spread their legs and shake their asses for the audience get called Groomers? 🤔

I'm sure the pedos must love this shit

Why does a little girl need to be shaking her ass like that.

Clips are here. Can’t find them on YouTube anymore which is weird.

I know the people in this thread won’t like me saying it, but this show isn’t for kids. Any idiot parents who tried to bring a child to this show needed to have their head examined.

I have no problem with these shows’ content *for adults*. I hate these parents who think the rest of us want their precious little brat in the audience when grown ups are trying to enjoy an adult evening out. Stop trying to force your kids into everything and every place.

She’s my Cherry Pie!

R51, I agree that the show is not for kids. I think everyone here would agree with that actually. The thing I disagree with is blaming/punishing the drag queens or trying to make it seem like drag queens are out to get people's kids. It's the stupid parents who should be blamed.

R42, my generous interpretation is that you don't know anything about DEI. But I'll bite: Why do we need DEI if the Constitution already has the protections and guarantees, and all you need to do is take people to court in case of legitimate discrimination? Anyone who's had to go to the DEI "anti-racism" trainings knows it's nothing to do with our constitutionally guaranteed individual or protected rights and freedoms.

Quote from a training handout by Robin DiAngelo of White Fragility fame on the Basic Tenets of Anti-racist Education:

All white people benefit from racism, regardless of intentions; intentions are irrelevant. ( aka You are racist just by virtue of skin color.)

Racism must be continually identified, analyzed and challenged; no one is ever done (aka It's like the communist "permanent revolution")

The question is not ”did racism take place”? but rather “how did racism manifest in that situation?” (aka Racism is assumed by default, not to be questioned or investigated)

The racial status quo is comfortable for most whites. Therefore, anything that maintains white comfort is suspect. If you are white, practice sitting with and building your stamina for racial discomfort. (aka Perpetual atonement for your skin color).

This is peddled at staff trainings all over the country. As much as I hate DeSantis on principle, getting rid of DEI and all the 'anti-racist' crap is a good thing.

[quote]I thought the GOP prides themselves on less government interference??

They also think of themselves of the party of "family values" but there aren't enough fingers and toes to count the number of marriages, divorces, ,mistresses, abortions and closet-cases they have within their ranks.

as* the party

[quote] If you believe in "academic freedom" then you shouldn't have a problem with an academic theory.

Take a course in this theory at a progressive academic institution and see what happens if you critique even a comma in its postulates. Academic freedom, right?

When a theory is intentionally unfalsifiable, it's a dogma.

[quote]Florida’s Department of Business and Professional Regulation filed a 17-page complaint Tuesday alleging minors “appearing less than 16 years of age” were present at the show, violating a law prohibiting “lascivious exhibition” before children. The filing’s “evidence” that minors were present seems to hinge on photos of people at the event who look like they could be minors. The event required any attendees under 18 to be accompanied by an adult.

A business risks losing its liquor license if in violation of laws prohibiting the admission of minors or unaccompanied minors. It happens.

Imagine this bitch in the presidency. Prohibition 2.0. No minors needed.

this man will be more dangerous as president than Trump. He is insane.

Can we speed up the whole climate change thing already so Florida is underwater sooner and all of these meth addled deplorables drown?

"It was. You can find clips on YouTube."

We let kids go to R-rated movies if they have a parent present. I've seen toddlers in the audience of violent R-rated movies. Yet no one is punishing movie theaters for that.

"A business risks losing its liquor license if in violation of laws prohibiting the admission of minors or unaccompanied minors."

Kids aren't banned from going to hotels. It was a Hyatt Regency

Trump wasn’t this psycho.

I don't think that Rhonda Santis gives a shit one way or another about drag. But he has found an issue with that riles up his base, and that's why he keeps harping on it.

[quote]All white people benefit from racism, regardless of intentions; intentions are irrelevant. ( aka You are racist just by virtue of skin color.)

No, you misunderstood that. White people aren't all racists but all white people have benefitted from racist systems. In housing, education, employment, judicial systems, even medical settings. It doesn't say that you are racist because you are white at all.

[quote]Racism must be continually identified, analyzed and challenged; no one is ever done (aka It's like the communist "permanent revolution")

This is true. We have over a 500 year history of racism and colonialism in America. That's not going to be undone in one staff seminar. Google unconscious bias and take the test. I didn't want to for years because I've worked on anti-racism programs and when I finally took it, I still have unconscious bias.

[quote]The question is not ”did racism take place”? but rather “how did racism manifest in that situation?” (aka Racism is assumed by default, not to be questioned or investigated)

Racism did and does still take place and only teaching a history of "Well. America had slaves, but that was a long time ago so problem solved" is not the solution. Racism IS the default. That's why the prior statement about about asking how it manifests its self is important.

[quote]The racial status quo is comfortable for most whites. Therefore, anything that maintains white comfort is suspect. If you are white, practice sitting with and building your stamina for racial discomfort. (aka Perpetual atonement for your skin color).

It's not asking White people for atonement. It's asking them to acknowledge the ways in which racism continues to exist and to consider how you benefit from it. I've been pulled over for speeding and never once in my life feared being arrested much less murdered by the police. That's an easy one to sit and think about.

Did you fall down a hit your head on the ground R63?

Screwdolph the Red-Nippled Reindeer.”

What makes Trump less scary is his incompetence. DeSantis is a little smarter. He rules the State legislature and they will make whatever law accommodates his wishes. He's being sued by a Democratic lawmaker for using State funds to transport the migrants and then the State legislature passed a bill making this okay. He is running for POTUS although he hasn't announced it but Florida law states a governor must resign if they run for POTUS. He will make the State legislature change that law.

I had to laugh when DeSatan ordered police to shut down Trump supporters who were protesting at his book signing. I can't stand either guy but can't wait for Trump to release the dirt he has on DeSantan.

DeSantis would imprison all his political opponents if he could.

R30 engaging in word salad.

Does this idiot do anything for the people of Florida besides "save" them from drag shows and gays? I have many friends that winter in Florida and I ask them how they can do it. They just roll their eyes - not at me, but at DeSatan.

With tRump, we always knew he was insane and exactly what he was thinking since he has no filter. With DeSatan, he can sound "sane", which makes him more dangerous than tRump - although his recent actions are proving otherwise.

He's very dangerous. The left needs to focus on keeping this guy away from the White House.

[quote] Hyatt has 21 days to request a hearing and can keep selling alcohol until a final decision is made.

Also of note:

[quote] Global Hyatt Corporation is one of the leading luxury hotel companies in the world. Owned by the Pritzker family of Chicago

R65 You can rationalize and justify and 'explain' around it till the cows come home. I've seen this language game played before. Of course you didn't touch the fact that we have the constitutional protections already. But when by slight of hand DEI replaces equality (equal rights and opportunities) with equity (equal outcomes), what you're saying is that the individual is irrelevant. There's no individual differences, individual responsiblity, etc etc, all you have is collective abstractions, of whom you take one to be the permanent 'oppressor' and the other the permanently 'oppressed'. This necessarily leads to injustices and discrimination.

CRT / anti-racism vilifies the whites in the same way Marxism vilified the bourgeoisie (because CRT is a Marxist offshoot and simply replaces class with race, duh). If you belonged to the bourgeoisie, no matter your personal actions, convictions and attitudes, you are guilty by design (hello, original sin dogma) and had to be overthrown and even exterminated as part of the triumph of the proletariat (hello, communist purges, gulags and 'people's courts').

For that Marxism has the dictatorship of the proletariat. In starkly identical terms, anti-racism says in the words of Ibram Kendi, "The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination."

R22 Twinkletoes, etc.

It’s an obvious retaliation. What does the liquor license have to do with the drag aspect of the actual show itself? Especially since most likely with the alcohol only adults could go. This man is a complete and utter totalitarian.

Don Moynihan

[quote] To sum up: an authoritarian government, seeking to censor universities and the media, gets reporter fired.

[quote] Media imposing demands for neutrality in the face of such behavior aren't going to help protect democracy.

R74, what’s it like being so powerfully stupid? Do you only own Velcro shoes? Do you get lost going to the mailbox? Does your mother keep the basement too cold?

R63, Trump is that psycho, but never had the power to get away with what this meatball has, because Dems actually had more power where it counted.

R78, read Robin DiAngelo and Ibram Kendi, then talk.

I know it's insanity, but the young lefties who keep pushing nonsense that never existed like "Drag Queen Story Hour" have no idea how not to feed the trolls or win an argument. There is no benefit of drag performers reading to kids and forcing Democrats and likely allies to now have to explain this useless pissing contest is not helping the cause!

This is all connected to the "T" and the caboose of the "LGBTQIA+" trainwreck we've tolerated and encouraged. Nope count me out of this circus.

I am hoping DeSantis is up for ELIMINATION.

[quote]This is all connected to the "T" and the caboose of the "LGBTQIA+" trainwreck we've tolerated and encouraged. Nope count me out of this circus.

I hate to break it to you, R81, but blurred boundaries with children have been a problem since way before the multitude of trans people and gender identities started cropping up a decade ago. During the sexual revolution of the ‘70s, there was a surge of adults with arrested development living vicariously through children, or leaving them to their own devices (i.e. latch-key kids). They strove to be hip and edgy so that kids worshipped them and looked up to them. For DECADES parents have taken their children to raunchy Pride parades, R-rated movies or enrolled them in the aforementioned child hooker dancing lessons and beauty pageants. Only recently has “child grooming” become a political wedge issue, cynically deployed by Republican politicians who do not give one shit about children, and would happily legalize child labor and child marriage (as long as gay people are not involved).

[quote]The complaint cites a 1947 state Supreme Court case that found “men impersonating women” constitutes a public nuisance. It also argues that the hotel exposed children to “simulated sexual activity, and lewd, vulgar, and indecent displays.”

[quote]The complaint cites a 1947 state Supreme Court case that found “men impersonating women” constitutes a public nuisance.

There could be a whole thread on what other things should be deemed a “public nuisance,” but for some reason they are not. Like neon hair and facial piercings.

So a light-up bra will damage kids forever??? That's ridiculous.

Twerking is dangerous???

DeSantis' entire schtick is to punish.

Is that the kind of president ANYONE wants?

[quote]Twerking is dangerous???

Well, it is for me.

I threw my back out trying at the club.

^ Chrissy, no one wants to see you twerk.

If merely impersonating women is a public nuisance, how are we expected to deal with REAL women?

[quote] If merely impersonating women is a public nuisance

You mean, “If a drag performance with adult sexual content being presented to children is …”

No R90, that is not what I mean. I was referring to the following:

[quote] The complaint cites a 1947 state Supreme Court case that found “men impersonating women” constitutes a public nuisance.

I truly hope this fucker never becomes POTUS.

[quote] For DECADES parents have taken their children to raunchy Pride parades, R-rated movies or enrolled them in the aforementioned child hooker dancing lessons and beauty pageants. Only recently has “child grooming” become a political wedge issue, cynically deployed by Republican politicians

Repubs are hypocrites and their feet should be held to the fire for the grossness they tolerate and promote. But I'm personally more offended by the Left who in the guise of abstract lofty ideals, misguided sense for social justice and do-gooderism have totally lost the plot to the extent of pushing an ideology that literally mutilates children. I don't need to mention Jazz Jennings, do I.

If adults want to chop up their body, go crazy, it's your business. I still won't call you a woman just because you've donned your mom's frock to rub one out. But when school teachers socially transition 10 year olds behind their parents' backs and then lie to the parents, we should be hitting the PAUSE button hard.

It's interesting that in Britain the gender critical movement seems to be the action of Left-leaning women who just couldn't take the crap any more. It's not as politically polarized as here. Helen Joyce, Kellie-Jay Keen, JK Rowling, Kathleen Stock and many other inspiring women are moving mountains in the UK and hopefully we over here will soon follow suit.

We're gonna need a bigger tub.

R93 Drag is a tradition of both gay culture and mainstream comedy. It has nothing to do with trans ideology or the transing of children. Transactivists have even attacked Coco Peru and other drag artists for supposedly mocking transgender women by doing “womanface.” How ironic is that?

Republicans are fine handing a 6 year old a gun, allow a 12 year old to work in a factory, and make a pregnant 10 years old carry a baby to term….

But they care about the safety of kids!!

And Democrats are fine with letting criminals off the hook, turning kids into medical experiments and pharma cash cows for life, and dumbing down schools. But they care about social justice!

[quote]dumbing down schools

And you believe DeSantis' history curriculum will make Florida students the brightest in the country. Do I have this right?

BTW, R97, I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in seeing you're an idiot obsessed with hating trans, so you've lowered yourself to essentially defending a fascist governor who wants to have a state full of stupid kids learning stupid history.

Totally a private pervert.

Simmer down, Maja @R97.

Today, I saw with my own two eyes two adult men leaving a Hooters with a boy who couldn't have been more than 10 or 11. I guess it's not "grooming" and "exposing kids to adult situations" when you have someone with udders spilling out of their halter top hovering over a child's head.

R101, she was serving fries, so it's wholesome.

The Republicans don’t want to protect children; they want a Christian theocracy that enforces their belief system onto private citizens, restricting our freedom to live as we see fit by micro-managing our personal lives.

[quote][R101], she was serving fries, so it's wholesome.

Yes, although she was shooting them out of her cooter.

Drag has been a staple of comedy (and at times in other genres, e.g., murder mysteries) since comedy.

A man in a dress is simultaneously humorous, because "weakened," and menacing, because disguised. The comedy lies in the tension.

Never trust a man who denigrates "Some Like It Hot."

R98 hasn't read a word of said history curriculum or history for that matter. But if there's a manual on self-righteous hypocrisy, he's read that.

Schools are churning out more and more functional illiterates. But instead of fixing that, Dems deludedly allow SJW to 'decolonize' math and fill the heads of 8 year olds with ideological idiocy about pronouns, the 'gender spectrum' and 'sex is a construct'. This is what's generating opportunists like DeSantis, not fascism which R98 and R101 clearly don't know anything about.

[R98] hasn't read a word of said history curriculum or history for that matter.

R98, that link is for you, but by all means, keep LYING about DeSantis attempting to sanitize history on behalf snowflake white children.

of*

Lincoln Project's new ad about DeSantis is hilarious.

is he even white

So serious question, what happens at the gay pride parades in Miami, Orlando, St. Pete, Key West this June when families bring their kids to the parade and celebrate diversity? Does everyone get locked up? What a fucking mess.

[quote]So serious question, what happens at the gay pride parades in Miami, Orlando, St. Pete, Key West this June when families bring their kids to the parade and celebrate diversity?

Are the parade organizers or participants planning to present sexually explicit material to children?

In DeSantis World, two fully clothed men holding hands is considered sexually explicit.

[quote] Former Florida state Rep. Carlos Guillermo Smith, a gay Democrat who has been an outspoken critic of the DeSantis administration, described efforts to restrict drag performances as part of "an ongoing effort to marginalize LGBTQ people and their allies."

[quote] "These manufactured moral panics, they're designed to distract us from real issues," said Smith, who is now a special projects manager at LGBTQ advocacy group Equality Florida. "The same politicians that are peddling false hysteria about drag queens and immigrants and LGBTQ people in schools, they have failed to solve real problems that are ailing Floridians."

To help R98 et al. know what they are talking about, here's what's in the in the required instruction statute on African American history according to the Florida Department of Education.

The point that got twisted like a pretzel by the woke and CRT commentariat:

[quote]The Legislature acknowledges the fundamental truth that all persons are equal before the law and have inalienable rights. Accordingly, instruction and supporting materials on the topics enumerated in this section must be consistent with the following principles of individual freedom: No person is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex. No race is inherently superior to another race. No person should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment solely or partly on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, disability, or sex. Meritocracy or traits such as a hard work ethic are not racist but fundamental to the right to pursue happiness and be rewarded for industry. A person, by virtue of his or her race or sex, does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex. A person should not be instructed that he or she must feel guilt, anguish, or other forms of psychological distress for actions, in which he or she played no part, committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex.

[quote]nstructional personnel may facilitate discussions and use curricula to address, in an age-appropriate manner, how the freedoms of persons have been infringed by sexism, slavery, racial oppression, racial segregation, and racial discrimination, including topics related to the enactment and enforcement of laws resulting in sexism, racial oppression, racial segregation, and racial discrimination, including how recognition of these freedoms have overturned these unjust laws. However, classroom instruction and curriculum may not be used to indoctrinate or persuade students to a particular point of view inconsistent with the principles of this subsection or state academic standards.

[quote]I grew up under 'advanced socialism' in Eastern Europe

Ironically, a lot of your ilk have come here to take advantage of our more socialist programs to the point of fraud.

To me it's another manifestation of extreme attitudes towards "Not Men." To wit:

Men of a certain culture want women totally covered up. Men of a different culture want women totally uncovered.

In this case, those in power and of a certain mindset want children "protected" from and thus not exposed to harsh historic truths, differences among human beings, and where those twain did meet (e.g., Rosa Parks; Jim Crow laws, the Holocaust, Stonewall, trans-genders, etc.).

The polar opposite comprising others in power and of a certain mindset want children not only exposed to and taught the above, but to enable this without limitations (e.g., allowing minor children to choose life-altering gender reassignment medical intervention).

For these extreme positions, I say, "A plague on both your houses!"

R116, no one's going to read your bloviating, because you're absolutely insufferable. So how about we ask you a simple question: How do you define "woke" and "CRT"?

What people like DeSantis and the person on this thread want students to learn is that Columbus discovered America, but nothing about his brutality.

Really scary stuff.

As a teenager, I watched Madonna fuck Willem Dafoe on a car hood covered with broken glass. There was a small child in the theater. I'm sure he survived.

The idea of shielding teens and kids from anything a right wing loon considers "sexual" is old. But creating economic consequences for doing business with a cultural gay event is some real 1930s Berlin stuff.

[quote]How do you define "woke" and "CRT"?

Probably the same way as this woman did.

Let me point out to the Eastern European who uses "CRT" like a cudgel, that Chris Rufo himself --the trash who started the vilification-- can't really define what it is (just like the woman in R122's video can't define "woke"), but chose instead to redefine it for purposes of shrieking about it. He knows how easy it is to get right-wingers to turn into jackals hearing a dinner bell.

[quote]Ironically, a lot of your ilk have come here to take advantage of our more socialist programs to the point of fraud.

Complete and utter rubbish. These are welfare state programs and don't come even close to the ones in much of Western Europe.

The only socialist agenda - very reminiscent to EE indoctrination - is the one pushed by the SJW / CRT / critical social justice ideologues. That needs to go.

[quote]no one's going to read your bloviating, because you're absolutely insufferable.

Of course the response to evidence is to regard evidence as sin and to resort to name-calling. To borrow from CRT (since you asked), go educate yourself.

R120, what's your actual evidence for this claim?

[quote]et me point out to the Eastern European who uses "CRT" like a cudgel, that Chris Rufo himself --the trash who started the vilification-- can't really define what it is (just like the woman in [R122]'s video can't define "woke"), but chose instead to redefine it for purposes of shrieking about it. He knows how easy it is to get right-wingers to turn into jackals hearing a dinner bell.

Unlike any of you here, I have read the holy scripture - White Fragility and How to Be an Anti-Racist. If you have any curiosity, you'll do the same.

Good. Keep pissing people off, doughboy.

Drag shows were never an issue until some weirdo invented Drag Queen Story Hour for the little kiddies. Whose fucking asshole idea was that?

[quote] And Democrats are fine with letting criminals off the hook, turning kids into medical experiments and pharma cash cows for life, and dumbing down schools. But they care about social justice!

BS, BS, and more BS

Dems don't let any criminals off the hook. What's the hook? Keeping black people in jail for the same crimes white people do and don't spend time in jail? All the pro-drug company profit bills and laws are pushed by the GOP. The recent law passed to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices was passed by Dem against strong GOP opposition.

[quote] Drag shows were never an issue until some weirdo invented Drag Queen Story Hour for the little kiddies

Drag shows were never an issue until the GOP knew it's stupid base would love it as a wedge issue.

Considering guns are the #1 cause of kids deaths, I assume, for the safety of kids, the GOP will pass anti-gun legislation.

R128 hasn't heard yet that San Francisco booted out Chesa Boudin, nor that Chicago is booting out Lori Lightfoot.

[quote] What people like DeSantis and the person on this thread want students to learn is that Columbus discovered America, but nothing about his brutality.

In fact, a book about Columbus' brutal run as Governor of Hispaniola was banned in some Florida schools exactly for this reason.

This is nothing but a white supremacy agenda

[quote] [R128] hasn't heard yet that San Francisco booted out Chesa Boudin, nor that Chicago is booting out Lori Lightfoot.

Um, your point? Oh, nothing

R130, that's the thing these dummies don't understand. Drag Show story time isn't new and was no issue to anyone. You show how dumb you are when you fall for the GOP's "culture war" crap.

The GOP obsesses over stupid issues for dumbasses while kids get shot up in schools.

[quote] And Democrats are fine with letting criminals off the hook,

true. It seems like Dems are letting the Trump crime family off the hook

R132, not according to the genius in this thread who denies it. That's why I didn't respond to him.

R133 is proof of the functional illiteracy sweeping the nation.

@perftronnie is back.

[quote] hasn't heard yet that San Francisco booted out Chesa Boudin, nor that Chicago is booting out Lori Lightfoot.

They were blamed for the increased crime caused by the joblessness during Covid.

Crime always rises and falls with the economy. Politicians get blamed for it.

Is the LGBT community fighting back?

[quote]Drag shows were never an issue until some weirdo invented Drag Queen Story Hour for the little kiddies

Be sure there's money / grift involved. Would be interesting to know where the funding comes from.

[quote]They were blamed for the increased crime caused by the joblessness during Covid.

Sure sure. Their policies had nothing to do with people giving them the boot.

Blah, blah, something, something, "define a woman", blah, blah (some right wing talking point from Matt Walsh), blah, blah "OMG, look at Liam from 1D"

And more verbal diarrhea from an unmedicated troll mind.

Matt Walsh? Is he the one who thinks it's fine if a 10yo gets pregnant as long as she's married?

Yep. But he's anti-woke, so our anti-trans troll loves him.

[quote] Sure sure. Their policies had nothing to do with people giving them the boot.

It was a pandemic. What policy could they have possibly enacted to keep businesses going and employment up without even more people dying?

This is a freedom of speech issue. No child is in danger if a parent chooses to take a child to a show.

If that were the case, R rated shows would be banned to.

All these stupid new laws will get overturned in time. Until then, DeSantis is just riling up the base for a run for the presidency. There is no other reason for any of this nonsense.

Since R146 doesn't read:.

[quote]Voters have recalled San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin in a blow to a national movement toward more lenient prosecution.

[quote]Tuesday’s municipal election marked the first time in more than 30 years that Chicago has ditched its mayor. Lightfoot could not overcome years of fights with the police and teachers’ unions, a spike in violent crime during her administration and Chicago’s slow recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic.

[quote] Voters have recalled San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin in a blow to a national movement toward more lenient prosecution. Tuesday’s municipal election marked the first time in more than 30 years that Chicago has ditched its mayor. Lightfoot could not overcome years of fights with the police and teachers’ unions, a spike in violent crime during her administration and Chicago’s slow recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic.

"Lenient prosecution" means not jailing black people just because they're black.

And yes, in Chicago, she got blamed for the Covid-recession caused crime.

White people want to jail as many black people as possible and so they hate anyone who won't go along with that plan.

[quote] Are the parade organizers or participants planning to present sexually explicit material to children?

1. Define sexually explicit. 2. Show me where DeSantis defines 'sexually explicit'.

R149, clearly the citizens didn't buy any of this CRT crap.

The manifesto (ahem, academic paper) of the Drag Queen Story Hour founders: 'Drag pedagogy: The playful practice of queer imagination in early childhood.'

[quote]DQSH grew from queer author Michelle Tea’s personal desire to connect her toddler with queer culture.

[quote]Building in part from queer theory and trans studies, queer and trans pedagogies seek to actively destabilize the normative function of schooling through transformative education. This is a fundamentally different orientation than movements towards the inclusion or assimilation of LGBT people into the existing structures of school and society. As a practical example in the early childhood classroom, consider the common practice of sorting children into groups of boys and girls. An inclusion stance might allow children to decide for themselves whether they would like to be in a boy’s or a girl’s group, whereas a transformative approach might work with children to inquire as to how “boy-ness” and “girl-ness” are given meaning, the limits of these two categories, and how people might organize themselves differently.

[quote]Though DQSH publicly positions its impact in “help[ing] children develop empathy, learn about gender diversity and difference, and tap into their own creativity”, we argue that its contributions can run deeper than morals and role models. For us, drag pedagogy is less about imitating drag queens’ specific behaviours, and more about embodied inquiry into [bold]queer/trans ways of being[/bold] that reach beyond the present

Anyone still unsure what the ideology behind DQSH is should read the whole thing, and look into the two authors.

R152 must be Bethany Mandel. It seems you have no fucking clue what CRT is either.

LOL tell me more, R154.

R152, you've worked hard today. Take some beets and vodka and go home. That krokodil is not going to take itself.

[quote] clearly the citizens didn't buy any of this CRT crap.

the citizens are white. They back white supremacy everywhere

[quote] Anyone still unsure what the ideology behind DQSH is should read the whole thing, and look into the two authors.

Who cares?!

DQSH is about having fun and reaching out to kids so they don't grow up hating you.

R153, actually, all of that academic gobbledygook sounds healthy.

"Though DQSH publicly positions its impact in “help[ing] children develop empathy, learn about gender diversity and difference, and tap into their own creativity”, we argue that its contributions can run deeper than morals and role models. For us, drag pedagogy is less about imitating drag queens’ specific behaviours, and more about embodied inquiry into queer/trans ways of being that reach beyond the present."

Not sure why anyone would be scared of that, actually.

Performers being allowed to a perform is a First Amendment right.

Drag is under attack because to the MAGAts, drag = gay, and they're going after gay rights. All you fags with your heads in the sand that there are laws protecting gays now better wise up and act up, unless you want to go back into the closet.

[quote]Actually, all of that academic gobbledygook sounds healthy.

Oh, I'm sure "embodied inquiry into queer/trans ways of being" sounds very healthy to a particularly inclined individuals. Especially the trans part.

[quote]the citizens are white. They back white supremacy everywhere

Even though only 5% of SF's population are Black but a whopping 34.5% are Asians. R157 will die on the hill that everything must be 'white supremacy' designed for white racial oppression.

I completely forgot that it's Friday afternoon: the time of the week when the swarm of RWNJ shit locusts materializes.

SJWs of DL, it's been fun. I'm heading to the pub for St. Paddy's. R163 can go on twisting his oppressed pretzels for inconvenient facts.

[quote]I'm heading to the pub for St. Paddy's.

St. Patrick's.

R161 it's it really necessary to call users "fags"? GET THAT BS OUT OF HERE.

"Just a reminder, Bethany Mandel wrote this hot, steaming pile of 💩"

[quote] Performers being allowed to a perform is a First Amendment right.

Yea, that's not usually a First Amendment right. It can certainly legally and constitutionally be restricted, e.g., performing for minors can be restricted as well as other prohibited acts.

Conduct that is not political is not protected under the First Amendment free speech doctrine. Most conduct is not considered speech. Even political speech can be regulated as to time, place, method.

R168, 99.9% of churches have become political and yet they are tax exempt. Televangelists saying God sent Trump as they collect money, pay no taxes and fly around in private planes. I'd be more pissed with that than a drag queen reading.

[quote] SJWs of DL, it's been fun. I'm heading to the pub for St. Paddy's.

May a grease fire meet you there!

[quote]St. Patrick's.

St. Patdrink's.

R168, the government is intervening to punish people for their speech

I'd say that's a violation of the 1st amendment.

They should do a drag show in full face makeup and wigs but wear 3 piece male business suits and lip synch to every ‘fuck you’ song they can find.

[Quote] Oh, I'm sure "embodied inquiry into queer/trans ways of being" sounds very healthy to a particularly inclined individuals.

Why do you think “Inquiry into queer ways” sounds sinister? They want you to inquire into queer rather than knee jerking hating us.

[Quote] Even though only 5% of SF's population are Black but a whopping 34.5% are Asians. [R157] will die on the hill that everything must be 'white supremacy' designed for white racial oppression.

You think Asians don’t buy into the “stick bBlacks into jail” mantra that whites have been pushing? Of course they do.

One of the big things all immigrants to is do whatever whites says so they don’t appear to partner with Blacks. This way, Blacks always stay at the bottom of the totem pole, not the immigrants

[Quote] Even though only 5% of SF's population are Black but a whopping 34.5% are Asians. [R157] will die on the hill that everything must be 'white supremacy' designed for white racial oppression.

You left out that 45% is white, bigger than both of those.

The “fear crime” message even won the GOP seats in NY, where crime actually went down. The GOP knows that fear crime works no matter what is going on with crime. That also know we immediate link crime to black people.

Yes, it’s white supremacy BS

[Quote] Yea, that's not usually a First Amendment right. It can certainly legally and constitutionally be restricted, e.g., performing for minors can be restricted as well as other prohibited acts. Conduct that is not political is not protected under the First Amendment free speech doctrine. Most conduct is not considered speech. Even political speech can be regulated as to time, place, method.

The first amendment says nothing about the speech having to be political. So that part of your analysis is absolute bullshit.

Yes, performing for minors can be restricted but DeSantis has just assumed that anyone in an outfit not reflecting that person’s gender is automatically harmful to kids. The vague wording is exactly what he used for the Dont Say Gay law. It’s fashioned to scare because people don’t know exactly what it means. It’s working

[Quote] Conduct that is not political is not protected under the First Amendment free speech doctrine.

When one passes a law against it, it automatically becomes political

[quote]Drag shows were never an issue until the GOP knew it's stupid base would love it as a wedge issue.

I was at many drag shows in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, and not a single one of them had children in attendance. Also, there was not any issues with the local and state governments, all controlled by the GOP at that time where I lived. There were legal problems in the U.S. with people in drag before that, but I'm talking specifically and intentionally about the 1980s and onward. The concern with drag shows to the degree it is now has come about because of the insane tactic of presenting actual sexual material, suitable only for adults, to children.

I've had said here "to the degree it is now", so replying with random isolated issues related to drag during the time period I specified isn't going to negate what I have stated.

At the Hyatt Regency you can stay woke without going broke. 👠 👄

[quote]I was at many drag shows in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, and not a single one of them had children in attendance.

That changed in 2009 when RuPaul brought it into suburban homes, and the Frauen fanbase started to watch Drag Race with their kids. Then, in 2015, a lesbian named Michelle Tea invented drag story hour. Yes — a gay man and a lesbian (not trans people) were the original architects of drag-child culture.

R127, Donald Segretti?

R160, I might sing like an angel, but no establishment, public or private, IS REQUIRED to host me.

It is only that the government cannot arrest me in my domicile for singing that breaks no other ordinance, like regarding noise. Nor could I be arrested if an establishment CHOSE to host me.

Could I take to the streets and sing without arrest? Maybe, if I'm not "Disturbing the peace" or impeding traffic.

As for simply dressing in drag on a public street---again, if no ordinance, say about public lewdness, is being broken---one cannot be arrested.

So do performers have a "First Amendment right" to perform? No. They have a First Amendment right to BE a performer. But the WHERE can be an issue.

Oh, please. THey're so concerned about the children and any month without a school shooting is considered a good month.

R181 But we have people like Dr. Rachel Levine walking around in drag. In public. In the daylight. She scares the children.

[quote]How do you define "woke" and "CRT"?

Woke = be 'born again' into the consciousness of Critical Social Justice. in other words, be indoctrinated into this ideology and come out as an activist on the other side.

The ideology postulates an original sin - the concept of 'privilege' which sustains the power structures of oppression. Privilege and oppression is determined by the doctrine of intersectionality. The more oppression categories you fall into, the more oppressed you are - and vice versa, the fewer oppression categories - the more oppressive you are. Unlike Christianity, the ideology does not allow for the concept of redemption. You are born in the original sin and cannot escape it. What you must (not can, must) do is atone for it throughout your life, shut up, not question it, and let only the 'oppressed' speak.

Woke terminology subverts the normal meaning of words. What they call Diversity is in fact the imposition of ideological homogeneity. Equity (equality of outcomes) is in fact the denial of science and especially biology such as denial of biological differences, sex differences, IQ etc. - they see inequality only as a product of oppressive power structures. Inclusion is in fact the imposition of the 'lived experiences' of the oppressed as the truth all people should live by.

For CRT, the original sin in whiteness. For gender ideology, it's what they call 'cis'.

The end goal of the ideology is a utopia. As all utopias go (see 20th century history), they have to be engineered via new kinds of oppression and injustice. The implications for free speech and thought, individual rights and freedoms, fairness - all the first principles of liberal society - are obvious.

Got it?

[quote] in 2015, a lesbian named Michelle Tea invented drag story hour. Yes — a gay man and a lesbian (not trans people) were the original architects of drag-child culture.

Was it sexualized and raunchy like many of them are today? Is this something that started tamely and was ruined by over the top activists?

First Amendment analysis is a step-by-step process and some speech is more protected than others. First, they have to determine if what you're doing is speech or conduct. Conduct can be more easily regulated without running afoul of the Constitution. But some conduct may be able to be characterized as protected speech but just someone performing their act isn't going to cut it in a way that gets the strictest court scrutiny like political speech or religious speech and therefore could be subject to restrictive laws. It's complicated and there are lots of exceptions like satire/parody and political or religious statements like wearing a Fuck the Draft T shirt. There's really too much for a DL post. And as almost always facts and circumstances of each case will be different.

If they were to try to be successful in legally restricting drag costumes in public they would need an identified state interest that the law was tailored to protect and which would be greater than any right the person held in wearing the costume. None of this is just about feelings or about you think you have some right. First Amendment law is a bit more than that.

The original topic of this thread . . . update found at some hotel/restaurant website as of March 14

DeSantis filed an administrative complaint through the state Department of Business and Professional Regulation against the hotel. In December 2022, the James L. Knight Center hosted “A Drag Queen Christmas,” which, according to the complaint, “simulated masturbation” as well as “graphic depictions of childbirth and/or abortion” with performers “forcibly penetrating or running their exposed prosthetic breasts against the faces or oral cavities of audience members.”

In December, the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation warned the Hyatt Regency against hosting a show that included sexual content in front of minors, according to a copy of the letter included in the complaint. The show, which features RuPaul’s Drag Race performers wearing “prosthetic female genitalia” during portions of the show, added a “Recommended for audiences 18+” disclaimer to the marketing materials with an additional disclaimer that “an adult must accompany minors.” The complaint alleges minors under the age of 16 were knowingly admitted into the show, but provided no evidence other than a blurry photograph of a person’s face in the complaint.

The hotel seems to be distancing itself from the event claiming they were only acting as caterers to a third party event.

[quote]But the WHERE can be an issue.

In the case, we know the WHERE -- a private business, and it's being punished by a governor violating their first amendment right.

[quote]a private business, and it's being punished by a governor violating their first amendment right.

This isn't absolute. Lots of businesses cannot operate wherever they want. There's permitting and licensing. If you are considered or licensed as 'adult entertainment', obviously you will have some restrictions.

R189, he is basing his decision on personal political views and abusing his authority based on personal, political views. Any normal person can see it's a violation of their rights.

Only a lunatic would think it's OK that someone could bring a gun without a license or carry permit into the Hyatt, but you can't watch a fucking show that no one is forced to watch.

Well, r190, as a Liberal once said, "The personal is political."

Apparently DeSantis is hanging this personal hat on whether or not minors were present. DeSantis will lose if the government cannot prove their attendance.

[quote]DeSantis will lose if the government cannot prove their attendance.

Do you think if the government loses its case that it would matter? It doesn't.

r186. A very nice summation of right wing talking points. There are other definitions. "Woke" - to have witnessed via actual photographic and video evidence, the mistreatment of minorities in the US, by police and other official government entities. To glean from that evidence that police departments and government officials (mayors and the like) frequently lie in official reports until confronted with irrefutable evidence, often evidence that is released to the media because the police won't release their evidence (body camera footage, etc) without threats of lawsuits in many cases.

To be woke is to become aware that systemic racism does exist in our country, and that black people, by themselves, cannot do much to eliminate it. In addition to the actions of police, it has also extended to the banking and real estate systems for well over 100 years. White people have to see it, to recognize the fundamental unfairness of it, and resolve to help undo it - first, by examining their own consciences and second, by being willing to confront the power structures in their communities to obtain fairer treatment of black people.

We have all seen, now, the many instances in which black men, in particular, are essentially murdered by police, often for undefined crimes, or crimes decided upon after the person has died. And we have seen the cover ups. The easy availability of video evidence due to the ubiquity of cellphones has changed the equation. We can't put our heads in the sand any longer.

I suspect that you would approve the children's textbook regarding the Rosa Parks story, going from describing her as a person who was told she had to move to the back of the bus because black people were not allowed to sit in the front, to Rosa Parks was told she had to move to a seat in the back of the bus. (No context) . This is a lie by omission.

I'm a white person. I don't feel personally responsible for oppression of black people, because I have never participated in it, but I am certainly horrified by the 200+ year-long history of white people doing unforgiveable acts of violence against black people. And I have no problem confronting the power structure of my city to try to move the needle on treatment of minority citizens.. I have a history of doing so already, in regard to gay rights.

R186, so basically, gobbledygook

This is about DeSantis using a cultural war to forward his conservative profile and nothing more.

In those drag videos there’s nothing particularly sexually suggestive. Light-up bras and twerking can be found at any concert, movie, TV show and DeSantis isn’t trying to ban any of those. In fact, some states in the South wanted to bring up Madonna on such obscenity charges and then realized how those laws are stupid and unenforceable.

This is specifically about drag queens and, for some odd reason, the right has focused on them instead of the ubiquitous sexual moments seen throughout media and the internet that children have far more access to.

[quote] in 2015, a lesbian named Michelle Tea invented drag story hour. Yes — a gay man and a lesbian (not trans people) were the original architects of drag-child culture.

r181 If a man consistently dates one MTF after another MTF, is this man's identity a gay man or more like some pan/queer/lgbtq+ person? Because Michelle is a female version of that. Her spouse's identity on Backstage website is transgender too (tits cut off).

[quote] Michelle Tea was in a relationship with Katastrophe, a transgender hip-hop artist, for many years. They shared an apartment in the North Beach district of San Francisco.[34] In 2013, Tea married Dashiell Lippman at the Swedish American Hall in San Francisco.[35] In 2015, her son was born.[36]

But her other important identity has been a sex worker.

[Quote] But her other important identity has been a sex worker

For a very long time, sex worker was the only job available to most trans

It's time to look to Africa for crisis mitigation solutions.

R193 just recited the woke dogma.

[quote]To be woke is to become aware that systemic racism does exist in our country, and that black people, by themselves, cannot do much to eliminate it.

Prove it.

Police kill more unarmed white people than black every year even by share of the population. There was a white guy called Tony Timpa killed by police in the same manner as George Floyd - where were the endless media stories, riots, televised funerals? We won't see MSNBC report on white victims - doesn't suit the 'systemic racis' narrative, does it. And even when the police turn out to be Black, wokesters like you will also blame 'systemic racism' because it's hard to look for actual empirically valid reasons and answers and it's much easier to regurgitate some post-Marxist theory.

Once you start blaming everything under the sun on systemic racism, you offered an unfalsifiable dogma. You've also created a perpetual victim-martyr- which a lot of Black people themselves have told you many times is patronizing and racist. Because It implies they are so inferior that as you literally said they can never achieve anything on their own. This is a profoundly stupid, empirically wrong and morally abhorrent view.

It's a hard fact that Black on Black crime accounts for the largest share of Black people killed. I'm sure the woke 'solution' of dismantling systemic racism like abolishing the police, depleting public budgets to pay reparations, eliminating 'racist' school tests to decolonize math and science are exactly the remedy.

But funny thing - many Black people want more police, not less. They just want proper and better policing. They want public money to go into actual better-quality education, family programs and community-building instead of ideological dumbing down. They want rational evidence-based crime reform instead of wholesale acceptance of a nebulous theory which has produced bad results every time it's been tried.

Rhonda’s raging on the rag again!

🇷🇺 Nationalize All Businesses 🇨🇳

Don't even try asking R202 and R201 to make sense.

[quote]Police kill more unarmed white people than black every year even by share of the population. There was a white guy called Tony Timpa killed by police in the same manner as George Floyd

Well, who the fuck stopped white people from protesting over it? They chose instead to go feral over a corrupt pile of orange dogshit who lost an election. It seems they only choose to protest big time when corrupt clowns throw temper tantrums over losing an election.

And I just looked up his name and the media did cover it, so did you go and protest or just chose to whine about black people having it so good when they're killed?

You do realize that white people are the majority right?

R205, do you know what the phrase "relative to their population size" means?

Black perpetrators' share in crime stats is twice their national population share. For Hispanics it's on par and for Whites it's under.

Clearly it isn't structural racism that holds Hispanics back from committing double the share of crimes relative to their share of the population.

That you stupidly use "crime stats" without context is why no one gives a fuck what you think. When a white guy kills 4 people while driving and the excuse is "affluenza" or a white guy rapes a drunk girl and sees no jail time while a black kid with some weed or steals a book bag, gets prison time, then how in the hell do you have the nerve to naively mention "crime stats" knowing full-well the system has always been far more lenient on white criminals who've committed far more serious crimes?

For fuck sake, Trump alone has committed almost every god damned crime and he became president. You think Obama could've been that criminal, scummy, corrupt and STUPID and become president?

It gets so tiresome with you people acting like all things are equal, becaus eit isn;t when we actually get into the details of what you try to defend.

BTW, that doesn't mean I think black criminals should have excuses made for them pr be freed. I'm saying put the fucking white person in prison just as you would the black person, but the system doesn't.

All of this is just to distract folks from the fact that humans have about a decade left on this planet and the rich ones are trying to make as much money as possible in case they have escape pods by then. A decade. That's it. Who cares about fucking drag queens and their performances. They're not hurting anyone.

One prolific right wing troll is responsible for a quarter of this thread.

R199, Well, who the fuck stopped white people from protesting over it? They chose instead to go feral over a corrupt pile of orange dogshit

Why do they have to riot? Maybe they realize riots aren't an effective way to achieve goals.

Actual racists don't vote for Black presidents. Statistically significant share of the people who voted TWICE for Obama went on to vote for Trump.

[quote]And I just looked up his name and the media did cover it, so did you go and protest or just chose to whine about black people having it so good when they're killed

White victims of police are predominantly covered in local media. These stories rarely make the front pages of national media and are definitely not covered by outlets like MSNBC. Why? Because they have to admit there's no such thing as 'structural racism' today.

[quote] Because they have to admit there's no such thing as 'structural racism' today.

Why would they admit something is strictly the opinion of people like you ignore evidence of that structural racism. You want to start with selling a house when you're white vs black and how that leads to terrible rates you're offered as a black person vs white?

something that is strictly the opinion of people like you who ignore*

[quote]That you stupidly use "crime stats" without context is why no one gives a fuck what you think.

If you want to be taken seriously, don't sound deranged.

Cool rational minds can figure out there are many very complex factors at play. And that you must start by asking 'why is the evidence such that it contradicts the simplistic explanation imposed by wokeism'?

[quote] If you want to be taken seriously, don't sound deranged.

...or link to YouTube videos.

[quote]White victims of police are predominantly covered in local media. These stories rarely make the front pages of national media and are definitely not covered by outlets like MSNBC. Why? Because they have to admit there's no such thing as 'structural racism' today.

You want to play this game? Then let's go even deeper in terms of media coverage: Why does American media cover a stabbing in Europe only when it's a Muslim and even if no one is actually killed, they cover it at all as if that should be something to anyone here? As if there haven't been rapes, shootings, stabbings, etc in America that day. Why do they attach an entire narrative to that stabbing without getting every detail on the person who committed the crime? Why is it assumed the person was a part of some huge, terrorist group rather than some fucked up individual like the countless other fucked up individuals of every race and religion who commit crimes? And then why do people like you, use that single stabbing thousands of miles away to blame people here or anywhere else who had nothing to do with it? And don't tell me you don't do that, because someone who thinks like you does precisely that and you don't care that you're a hypocrite when it comes to what is chosen to be covered and magnified to hysterical portions. You don't ask yourself why the media goes into hysterics when it's some brown guy committing the act even when it's on another continent and he did it all on his own.

[quote]You want to play this game?

Sure. In 2020 we had the George Floyd riots. Name -without googling - at least one of the 459 white people shot fatally by police in the same year.

[quote]...or link to YouTube videos.

Don't want to hear facts, don't want to hear 'lived experiences'.

Sounds like a SJW reality denier alright.

*

Why didn't you have the guts to respond to what I wrote? Because you're exactly who I said you were. Your issue is only with defending the narrative you've grown accustomed to over your life. One where you get to see mugshots of black people on the news all of the time and Muslims stabbings on another fucking continent so you get to foam-at-the-mouth and blame people who had nothing to do with it and you want them subjected to negative treatment.

What you want is to magnify criminality that in no way affects you, but suits your prejudice. And you want to pretend that white people experience the same level of blowback or get treated worse or the same, when they don't.

If someone white commits a mass shooting, do you worry when you leave your home that you'll be blamed for it? Non-whites don't have that luxury. Non-whites get subjected to vilification and you fucking know it. You're desperately trying to act as though white people experience the same level of demonization when they don't and never have. You're a coward and hypocrite.

[quote]Why didn't you have the guts to respond to what I wrote?

Don't want to hear facts, don't want to hear 'lived experiences', don't want to read, don't want YouTube videos yet links to YouTube videos.

I stand corrected: You sound like a 5-year old whose parents won't buy him a chocolate bar.

Why are you indulging this basic troll whose only trip to DL is to this thread to push the usual right wing agenda? You may as well be talking to a manatee. (I'm sure they'd be more fun to interact with, too.) Let it rot in the pool of its own filth and stupidity.

[quote] Don't want to hear facts, don't want to hear 'lived experiences'.

From Glenn Loury?

Or Candace Owens? Or Herman Cain? Or the whichever is non-dead Diamond or Silk?

I'm actually looking at at John McWhorter book on my shelf right now. Yes, there is value in their lived experiences, but slogging through a video is not an ideal means of communicating such. For one thing, I find it challenging to look at an academic work where most of the citations are "this page of that article" but then another citation is "timestamp something of episode whatever of their podcast.". Call me old fashioned but I just find it unserious.

But mostly, and admittedly anecdotally, I despise when people dismiss MY lived experience because someone found someone else who has a $20 microphone from Best Buy and is willing to say whatever gets them paid. Yes, Loury is highly credentialed and Ivy tenured. But he is also old--the same age as my auntie who is a lovely woman but maintains her lifelong anti-semitism. And of the same generation as my father who, to this day, will not drink an A&W root beer because A&W refused to sell him a hamburger in 1962 even though he was in active duty military uniform. The point being that you don't get to tell me that someone else's lived experience is more valuable than my own just because it suits your narrative.

Moreover, that video is most likely a cake-and-eat-it-too experience. Black conservative, tenured professors from Penn and Brown making the conservative argument may not be the best example of Black "lived experience" any more than progressive shrieking from Harvard's Cornell West or Temple's Marc Lamont Hill. I'm hanging out with a few gay and lesbian Black tenured faculty I know from NYU, Tufts, Emory and Harvard in a few weeks. I'm 100% positive they don't agree with most of what any of the aforementioned think. If I happen to give it another thought I'll ask them...

I'm not a lawyer, but isn't this a freedom of speech/expression situation?

We know you're not a lawyer, r224, because you can't read.

I lost any respect I had for John McWhorter after he spent 200+ pages of his book blathering about the dangers of anti-racism only to dismiss the Jan 6 insurrection as a much lesser threat to democracy and as, essentially, inconsequential, within the final few pages.

[quote] But state law doesn't say it's illegal to expose minors to prosthetic body parts -- at least not yet.

R225 Sorry, it was TLDR.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Fuck what everyone else took the time to write. I don't have the time to read what you peons wrote. I just want answers to MY questions. I don't care that it's been asked and answered several times. It's about ME ME ME.

JFC, the arrogance.

[quote] Police kill more unarmed white people than black every year even by share of the population.

Bull shit.

Just the stats on people shot to death by police each year show a far higher percentage of blacks per capita than white. Are you saying that the whites are far far far more likely to be unarmed???

Again, stop peddling easily disprovable bull shit

[quote] Sure. In 2020 we had the George Floyd riots. Name -without googling - at least one of the 459 white people shot fatally by police in the same year.

Isn't it amazing how white people don't seem to care that police are killing them

DeSantis is threatening Hyatt because it's a drag show. It doesn't matter what happens at the drag show because the current GOP culture war is that drag shows are dangerous to kids. It's as simple as that.

Kids see far more sexual stuff on TV, movies, concerts, ads--DeSantis is doing NOTHING against those venues. NOTHING. It's about drag--and solely because drag is associated with LGBTQ and that's his main target because we're easy pickins

Apparently bringing guns to threatening drag performers isn't dangerous.

the homophobic guys can not stop thinking about what a gay boy does in his private time

Young girls go for a George Michael or a John "Vinnie Barbarino" Travolta or a Harry "Yes, I'm in a Dress" Styles because the guys are dreeeeeamy and cuuuuute! If they also SING.....!

And girls at that age have no gaydar.

[quote]Drag Show story time isn't new and was no issue to anyone.

Oh, yes. Growing up in the 60s and 70s we all enjoyed our small town Drag Queen Story Hours at the public library each week!

[quote]For a very long time, sex worker was the only job available to most trans

How convenient a trope this is.

Many "trans" people have a boatload of other issues and diagnoses a well as back stories which make prostitution their option. Most jobs, especially sole proprietorships are available to anyone actually looking to work and blend well with others...Oh, wait.

Rhonda Pudding Fingers strikes again.

What's Porky Pig's issue this time? Not enough food in the trough? He always looks hangry.

Don’t Say Ron

hang the gay replublicans

replublican whore in drag