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Model Jeff Thomas dies

Anyone familiar with him?

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by Anonymousreply 482July 1, 2023 11:24 PM

Wow, he was beautiful!

by Anonymousreply 1March 13, 2023 9:06 PM

Was it the AIDS?

by Anonymousreply 2March 13, 2023 9:09 PM

COVID? The vaccine?

by Anonymousreply 3March 13, 2023 9:17 PM

Suicide unfortunately.

by Anonymousreply 4March 13, 2023 9:19 PM

The rumors going around are suicide. Already depressing whenever somebody relatively young dies, and going by his Insta he was gay (or a hellacious gaybaiter), so that makes it even worse. Rest easy, man.

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by Anonymousreply 5March 13, 2023 9:21 PM

Why did he kill himself?

by Anonymousreply 6March 13, 2023 9:24 PM

R6 because Angela Bassett didn’t win an Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 7March 13, 2023 9:26 PM

Tragic. I'm sure he must have been dealing with inner demons if it was indeed a suicide. Condolences to his family and friends.

by Anonymousreply 8March 13, 2023 9:29 PM

R2, are you the “Was it the AIDS?” troll?

by Anonymousreply 9March 13, 2023 9:32 PM

And he just got a new "Resilience" tattoo.

by Anonymousreply 10March 13, 2023 9:35 PM

R10 well that was money wasted!

by Anonymousreply 11March 13, 2023 9:37 PM

I love dogs but unless they are a service animal, they need to stay at home. They also need to be leashed in public areas. Too many dog owners are absolute raging narcissists who are irresponsible and entitled. They don't care about dogs at all. Because if they did they'd understand that DOGS ARE NOT PEOPLE. They are a completely different species from mankind and have different needs. Dogs do not belong in crowded and narrow spaces where they can become anxious and paranoid nor do they need to be in grocery stores, restaurants and coffee shops where they can spread germs and bacteria and shed hair around food that people are going to eat.

They are doing more harm to their dogs in the long run by treating them like security blankets they need to carry around everywhere. And the ones who compared to dogs to babies and toddlers are morons. Babies and toddlers can't kill someone or someone else's dog by getting defensive or triggered and people aren't allergic to small kids.

The issue is stupid dog owners who have no consideration for other people nor consideration for how thier animal actually feels. Of course, these narcissists will deflect blame and accuse their critics of "hating dogs and being monsters." Gimme a break!

by Anonymousreply 12March 13, 2023 9:44 PM

Who had him?

by Anonymousreply 13March 13, 2023 9:44 PM

What is he hugging in that pic?

by Anonymousreply 14March 13, 2023 9:47 PM

Another vapid whore gone. She couldn't live forever.

by Anonymousreply 15March 13, 2023 9:55 PM

r14 his own knee

by Anonymousreply 16March 13, 2023 9:56 PM

R12 is so confusing.

by Anonymousreply 17March 13, 2023 9:56 PM

r12 is a nut

by Anonymousreply 18March 13, 2023 9:57 PM

R12 just posted in the wrong thread, that's all.

Should have posted in the one linked below

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by Anonymousreply 19March 13, 2023 9:58 PM

r19 ahhhhhhhhh

by Anonymousreply 20March 13, 2023 9:59 PM

His Instagram reeks of gay-baiting.

by Anonymousreply 21March 13, 2023 9:59 PM

R21 not anymore.

by Anonymousreply 22March 13, 2023 10:04 PM

Well its sad that he killed himself. R.I.P🙏❤

by Anonymousreply 23March 13, 2023 10:06 PM

I'm sorry he was sad and killed himself.

But truth is, as a "model", it appears to be no great loss to the industry because I can't find a single legitimate ad job or editorial for this guy.

And his agencies are C or D or Z List.

Exactly what kind of "model" was he because he left very little recorded impact on the fashion industry.

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by Anonymousreply 25March 13, 2023 10:14 PM

I can't be "sad" for a gay-baiter. IF they can't make their career succeed without leading on their gay male audience, I have no sympathy.

by Anonymousreply 26March 13, 2023 10:57 PM

Why is it always the hot ones who succumb to their inner demons the most often?

He had everything going for him - killer looks, his healthy body, I'm sure a dynamic social circle that invited him to plenty of circuit parties and trips abroad to exotic destinations, family who loved him, and a moderately successful modeling career...

And even with all of that, somehow, he still wasn't satisfied with his existence and felt ending it was better? How unfortunate.

by Anonymousreply 27March 13, 2023 11:03 PM

This bio seems to be assembled by A.I. and contains surprising details if all true. Married with kids? 40 isn?

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by Anonymousreply 28March 13, 2023 11:08 PM

[quote]Thomas is married to his long-time partner, and the couple has two children. He is an avid traveler, and loves to explore new places. He is also an avid reader, and enjoys spending time with his family.

"Partner???" "Two children???"

His Instagram shows NOTHING about any partner or children.

by Anonymousreply 29March 13, 2023 11:14 PM

Well, I said it was written by an algorithm so no accounting for veracity.

by Anonymousreply 30March 13, 2023 11:17 PM

The A.I. generated bio sure is very flattering. Sounds like the greatest model, entrepreneur, family man, philanthropist of recent times

by Anonymousreply 31March 13, 2023 11:18 PM

His Instagram DOES, however, reek of "ally" and "supportive straight" friend of the gays, while still mayyyybe being gay (wink, wink).

Why was he so vague about it? GAY-BAITER is why.

by Anonymousreply 32March 13, 2023 11:21 PM

I don't get gay-baiter. I get aging rent boy. I hope its not true. It would be nice if he was the major model his eulogiser presents him as.

by Anonymousreply 33March 13, 2023 11:24 PM

AI obits all over the internet!

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by Anonymousreply 34March 13, 2023 11:27 PM

[quote]Anyone familiar with him?

Only with the restaurant he named after his daughter. They make the best Frostys.

by Anonymousreply 35March 13, 2023 11:27 PM
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by Anonymousreply 36March 13, 2023 11:28 PM

One of his alleged family members claims he didn't kill himself.

BTW, the model Jeff's life and death are getting mixed up by the A.I. bots with a dead 62 year old!

He didn't have any kids.

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by Anonymousreply 37March 13, 2023 11:31 PM

His Instagram claims he is a—

[quote] 🐾 Proud Dog Dad.

He failed.

by Anonymousreply 38March 13, 2023 11:35 PM

The gayest his Instagram gets is a Vanity Fair party pic of Jeff posing with Power Gays Ricky Martin and Matt Bomer.

by Anonymousreply 39March 13, 2023 11:40 PM

R26 He was dating Richard Biglia but they broke up.

by Anonymousreply 40March 13, 2023 11:56 PM

The video is AI, and read by Computer text to voice.

We are doomed.

by Anonymousreply 41March 13, 2023 11:58 PM

[quote]And his agencies are C or D or Z List.

Well, ever since Hilary Michaels closed Models, Inc., has there been a top agency?

by Anonymousreply 42March 14, 2023 12:03 AM

This is his brother. I guess it really does come down to the gym and not genetics.

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by Anonymousreply 43March 14, 2023 12:04 AM

[quote]Exactly what kind of "model" was he because he left very little recorded impact on the fashion industry.

He’s an Instagram model.

by Anonymousreply 44March 14, 2023 12:05 AM

Weird how Jeff had ALL of his gay pics scrubbed from his Instagram.

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by Anonymousreply 45March 14, 2023 12:07 AM

Puff piece last year in local Miami mag:

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by Anonymousreply 46March 14, 2023 12:07 AM

Uncaptioned picture.

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by Anonymousreply 47March 14, 2023 12:08 AM

This pic of Jeff and Richard is nowhere on either of their Instagrams.

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by Anonymousreply 48March 14, 2023 12:09 AM
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by Anonymousreply 49March 14, 2023 12:12 AM

^ Were they happy?

by Anonymousreply 50March 14, 2023 12:12 AM

I give up. Looking for a picture of Jeff Thomas on a runway, in a fashion editorial, in an advertisement, is like looking for the same with Melania Trump. As far as I know Melania trump has one known fashion editorial booking, for Sports Illustrated. Otherwise, smoke and mirrors.

by Anonymousreply 51March 14, 2023 12:13 AM

So was this a real person or some AI creation?

by Anonymousreply 52March 14, 2023 12:21 AM

Real person. Lots of standard shots a person makes when they identify as a model and have agencies representing them but where is the work? Also it might have been some time ago, maybe 15-20 years ago, and been washed off Google image search algorithms, which increasingly SUCK.

by Anonymousreply 53March 14, 2023 12:23 AM

Model Jeff Thomas died because Jamie Lee Curtis won the Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 54March 14, 2023 8:23 AM

So sad. I guess he didn't want his stuff.--

--Speaking of which...

by Anonymousreply 55March 14, 2023 11:41 AM

R9 I dunno, am I? Can I be? I didn't know that was a thing! If it's not taken I'll go with it!

by Anonymousreply 56March 14, 2023 1:09 PM

Gurl...this the Jeff Thomas I thought OP was talking about 😑

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by Anonymousreply 57March 14, 2023 11:33 PM

I thought the OP was talking about this Jeff.

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by Anonymousreply 58March 14, 2023 11:37 PM

He hada hot ass but...

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by Anonymousreply 59March 15, 2023 2:21 PM

He had a pretty high standard of living. Someone guessed rent boy and that seems to fit. No way that he was supporting himself through modelling as theirs no trace of him working as a model on the internet. So sad. He was so beautiful. This is what happens when you value alll the wrong things.

by Anonymousreply 60March 15, 2023 2:27 PM

Maybe he read David Geffen's marriage annoucement and...

by Anonymousreply 61March 15, 2023 2:33 PM

Well, he did end up taking a plunge.

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by Anonymousreply 62March 15, 2023 2:39 PM

Maybe he saw the news of the Geffen wedding.

by Anonymousreply 63March 15, 2023 2:39 PM

That was a rough 35

by Anonymousreply 64March 15, 2023 2:44 PM

Real Estate Investor & Entrepreneur/Model = broke from bad investments. If true, that would explain the suicide.

by Anonymousreply 65March 15, 2023 2:45 PM

Safe and effective.

by Anonymousreply 66March 15, 2023 2:47 PM

Does anyone remember the hot male model Ambrose Olsen?

He hanged himself around 2010.

Too many hotties, offing themselves.

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by Anonymousreply 67March 15, 2023 2:48 PM

R43, how sad for his brother. I’m sure he loved him very much, and this is absolutely heartbreaking. Just a reminder that when you kill yourself, you’re killing someone’s loved one.

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by Anonymousreply 69March 15, 2023 3:09 PM

Does anyone know how he killed himself?

pills? rope?

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by Anonymousreply 71March 15, 2023 3:25 PM

The Chinese article linked at r45 is so much better written than that AI-generated garbage: it went into details about his ex-bf Biglia’s tribute, and the reason why he suffered from serious clinical depression [homophobic discrimination]; ironically the treatment of clinical depression apparently set him down the path of prescription drug addiction

The article also mentioned Jeff’s concern about social issues like gun massacres on campus

It seems he died by swallowing a whole bottle of sleepingbpills

by Anonymousreply 72March 15, 2023 4:08 PM

Once in love, always in love

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by Anonymousreply 73March 15, 2023 4:11 PM

R73 Are those the photos that he removed from his insta?

by Anonymousreply 74March 15, 2023 4:17 PM

There's something so tasteless about a broken heart emoji.

by Anonymousreply 75March 15, 2023 4:19 PM

R74: I believe so

by Anonymousreply 76March 15, 2023 4:22 PM

Him removing those photos only made it look like he was hiding something.

If he had just left the photos it would have seemed like a couple of bros just hanging out.

by Anonymousreply 77March 15, 2023 4:28 PM

R39: yes, Vanity Fair’s Oscar Party, 2018

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by Anonymousreply 78March 15, 2023 4:33 PM

R77: possible signs of some rather unhealed wounds from the past

by Anonymousreply 79March 15, 2023 4:37 PM

In that short page 6 video, it says that witnesses saw that he jumped from a balcony.

how gruesome.

I was hoping there would have been a beautiful corpse.

by Anonymousreply 80March 15, 2023 4:38 PM

[quote]supporting himself through modelling as theirs no trace of him

Oh, fucking dear!

by Anonymousreply 81March 15, 2023 5:37 PM

R80: Suicide by jumping is such a violent death

I’ve always been haunted by this pic: the metallic barrier crushed by gay Hong Kong superstar Leslie Cheung’s body when he jumped from the 24th floor of the Mandarin Oriental hotel

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by Anonymousreply 82March 15, 2023 6:22 PM

R82, was he great, big fat person?

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by Anonymousreply 84March 15, 2023 6:29 PM

He was taking it in the can whilst bent over the balcony railing, and he slipped and fell.

I call it the Rentboy Surprise. Happens all the time!

by Anonymousreply 85March 15, 2023 6:41 PM

R83: no, he’s quite svelte, and had appeared in a number of award-winning movies such as ‘Farewell My Concubine’ and the Wong Kar Wai-directed ‘Days of Being Wild’ as well the gay classic ‘Happy Together’

Here Leslie [left] is seen in an undated pic with his bf/true love, Mr Tong

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by Anonymousreply 86March 15, 2023 6:42 PM

[quote] no, he’s quite svelte, and had appeared in a number of award-winning movies

Ah so.

by Anonymousreply 87March 15, 2023 6:50 PM

[quote] no, he’s quite svelte

Not anymore.

by Anonymousreply 88March 15, 2023 6:53 PM

He's (Jeff Thomas) got a bunch of pride party videos on his Insta. Again, it could just be gay baiting, but it's there.

by Anonymousreply 89March 15, 2023 6:56 PM

r89 How is baiting, when he dated men. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 90March 15, 2023 7:01 PM

[quote]with his bf/true love, Mr Tong

Mr. Tong?

by Anonymousreply 91March 15, 2023 7:11 PM

I can't go on, with ALL THESE MODEL SUICIDES THAT NEVER SEEM TO STOP.... One every 13 years.

by Anonymousreply 92March 15, 2023 7:15 PM

Faye Dunaway is bumping off little homosexual (former) boys!

by Anonymousreply 93March 15, 2023 7:18 PM

I guess being gorgeous doesn't always make people happy!

by Anonymousreply 94March 15, 2023 7:22 PM

R39, did Ricky and Matt tap that?

by Anonymousreply 95March 15, 2023 7:23 PM

No, it doesn't, r94.

by Anonymousreply 96March 15, 2023 7:26 PM

Heartbreaking 💔

by Anonymousreply 97March 15, 2023 7:28 PM

I have a limited reservoir of grief and I can't spare any for someone I don't know.


by Anonymousreply 98March 15, 2023 7:39 PM

R91: his name in Chinese is 唐鶴德/Tang He-de; ‘Tong’ is the Cantonese pronunciation of ‘Tang’ [same character as Tang Dynasty]

He also has a rather silly English name, Daffy

Here’s a South China Morning Post about their love

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by Anonymousreply 99March 15, 2023 8:27 PM

Why does it seem so much more tragic when a hot guy dies?

by Anonymousreply 100March 15, 2023 8:39 PM

Jeff Thomas was never a GAP model.

by Anonymousreply 101March 15, 2023 11:36 PM

He wasn't a supermodel like me

by Anonymousreply 102March 15, 2023 11:48 PM

I am very confused by these thread, are those Chinese guys his children?

by Anonymousreply 103March 16, 2023 12:02 AM

Not a true supermodel like Ypir

by Anonymousreply 104March 16, 2023 12:35 AM

Not even a second-rate model like Datalpunge.

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by Anonymousreply 106March 16, 2023 1:22 AM

Family says "Not a Suicide!"

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by Anonymousreply 107March 16, 2023 7:51 AM

R103: sorry about causing the confusion. Don’t worry, the Chinese guys have nothing to do with Jeff Thomas; it’s just that one of them, the HongKong actor/singer Leslie Cheung, also committed suicide by jumping

The main point was the gruesome pic at r82, illustrating the damage of what a falling body might do, even to something sturdy like a metallic barrier

by Anonymousreply 108March 16, 2023 8:29 AM

Richard Biglia is hot as fuck.

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by Anonymousreply 109March 16, 2023 8:36 AM

Once again you lot are late; girls over on LPSG long sniffed out Jeff Thomas and news of his death.

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by Anonymousreply 110March 16, 2023 8:38 AM

DL's main interest.

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by Anonymousreply 111March 16, 2023 9:11 AM

(Ex-)bf wins the butt wars.

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by Anonymousreply 112March 16, 2023 9:15 AM

R107 His horseface cousin said it wasn't suicide, but she's probably just in denial. There were witnesses who said that he jumped from the balcony.

by Anonymousreply 113March 16, 2023 9:32 AM

When families say someone couldn't have committed suicide as they saw them in very good spirits just the day before, it means that they have no idea what goes in the mind of a suicidal person. In fact a person who has already taken the decision to commit suicide will be in a much better mood than they had been in a long long time, as the decision to end your life lifts a considerable weight off their shoulder and they know that their unendurable pain is about to end.

That is why you have to monitor closely those who have been depressed for a long time suddenly get back on their feet, for no particular reason, and welcome social functions and family events that they had avoided for years, smiling, as it may also be a sign that the final, irrevocable decision has been made. And you have to be especially wary of depressed people who on top of their newly regained chirpiness suddenly start to give valuable gifts left and right. It might be a further sign that the person has made the decision to end their life.

On top of that and in the words of Six Feet Under: "never underestimate the power of denial". Which we all know happens to be the first step in the process of grieving and the state the whole family finds itself right now and for at least a couple of weeks to a couple of years, depending on how fast each member of the family can go through the process.

by Anonymousreply 114March 16, 2023 10:30 AM

The 'interview' he gave upthread is just absolute blather: as if he opened a plug in his brain and a whole lot of meaningless shit poured out to fill the brief, like some kind of human ChatGPT. It suggests he was utterly disassociated from any personal genuiness. That he topped himself comes as no surprise. Such people often do because they have a difficult time establishing real friendships.

by Anonymousreply 115March 16, 2023 10:33 AM

R111: thanks! I’ll just repost it here. Who knows if/when LPSG is going to do a purge

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by Anonymousreply 116March 16, 2023 10:33 AM

R112: thanks!

Again, as the Mods at LPSG can be quite temperamental/erratic and given to deleting things, let me just repost them here:


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by Anonymousreply 117March 16, 2023 10:37 AM

Ex bf Richard

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by Anonymousreply 118March 16, 2023 10:37 AM

Cute gladiators

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by Anonymousreply 119March 16, 2023 10:43 AM

R114 That's very much true. I witnessed it first hand with a close friend about a decade ago. He had just helped his ex move to another state for a new job and I picked him up at the train station when he returned. He seemed so light and in a great mood.

He had borrowed the novel, Mrs. Dalloway, from his ex and read it on the train ride home. I don't know shit about Virginia Woolf and the only thing I knew about that novel is that it's considered a classic.

That was around mid-May and a few weeks later in early June, he hanged himself. It was the most fucked up thing that our friend group experienced. Subsequently, that friend group sort of just drifted apart after it happened, and we barely talk anymore.

by Anonymousreply 120March 16, 2023 10:46 AM

R120: how eerie. And the character Septimus in Mrs Dalloway killed himself by jumping out of a window

by Anonymousreply 121March 16, 2023 11:06 AM

I've never been to me.....

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by Anonymousreply 122March 16, 2023 2:00 PM

Amy Winehouse's parents said she was CLEAN & SOBER when she died and had not been drinking alcohol.

They even FOUGHT against her autopsy results/cause of death being released but insisted that Amy was not drinking.

Guess what? She drank herself to death.

Jeff jumped willingly to his own death.

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by Anonymousreply 125March 16, 2023 3:04 PM

Is the denial related to a life assurance payout?

by Anonymousreply 126March 16, 2023 3:05 PM

R126 It very well could be. Policies don't pay out if suicide is the cause. Although, sometimes they do if two years have passed since the policy was taken out.

by Anonymousreply 127March 16, 2023 3:10 PM

Or, given the fact that Jeff was reported to be addicted to prescription pills, could it be that while zonked out on Xanax/Ativan/OxyContin/ god knows what else, he accidentally stumbled and tumbled over one of those trendy just-a -sheet-glass -3-feet-tall-and-some steel railing balcony barriers and plunged to his death?

An accident exacerbated by Style-over-Safety interior design?

See pic for balcony illustration. The guy, gay English ex-soccer player Thomas Beattie is completely UN-related to this story

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by Anonymousreply 128March 16, 2023 3:34 PM

[quote]That he topped himself comes as no surprise.

You kids and your euphemisms. We used to call it playing with a dildo.

by Anonymousreply 129March 16, 2023 8:30 PM

LPSG has shut down Jeff Thomas thread for time being out of respect.

Damn good! Some queens just don't know how to behave appropriately in certain situations.

by Anonymousreply 130March 17, 2023 3:34 AM

R130: I just knew the Mods at LPSG would do something like that

by Anonymousreply 131March 17, 2023 9:51 PM

It's so strange to me how people get weird about sex/nudity when someone dies. I guess I find it weird because I never have "fantasy boyfriend" thoughts about these guys.

by Anonymousreply 132March 17, 2023 9:53 PM

He fell to his death taking a selfie

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by Anonymousreply 133March 17, 2023 9:58 PM

Didn't the ex say that Jeff suffered from debilitating depression?

by Anonymousreply 134March 17, 2023 10:02 PM

This is why you should NEVER live in a place with a balcony. It’s too dangerous anymore.

by Anonymousreply 135March 17, 2023 10:04 PM

R133 If that turns out to be true then it’s fucking hilarious! 🤣

by Anonymousreply 136March 17, 2023 10:13 PM

Actually it was his brother who posted about the depression

The agent suggested it was an accident

I’m thinking the brother would know better

by Anonymousreply 137March 17, 2023 10:42 PM

They would just need to look at his camera roll to know who was right. Were there a lot of selfies right before and on the way down?

by Anonymousreply 138March 17, 2023 10:50 PM

There is a rumor floating around he was recently cut off by a gay "mogul" who just got married. Hmmm

by Anonymousreply 139March 17, 2023 11:02 PM

I'm the one who queried first, up thread, that he seemed, possibly, to resemble, well, an aging rent boy and I was HISSSSSED about my "HISSSSING". 😜

by Anonymousreply 140March 17, 2023 11:09 PM

[quote]It’s too dangerous anymore.

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 141March 17, 2023 11:50 PM

But how many likes did he get?!

by Anonymousreply 142March 17, 2023 11:50 PM

RIP Jeff

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by Anonymousreply 143March 18, 2023 2:37 AM

He had a hot ass, but he couldn't live forever

by Anonymousreply 144March 18, 2023 2:56 AM

So was it a comedy death? I really hope it was, makes it far less tragic and sad.

by Anonymousreply 145March 18, 2023 2:59 AM

Is that his balls or his dick?

by Anonymousreply 146March 18, 2023 5:58 AM

^ a glimpse of his dick I think

by Anonymousreply 147March 18, 2023 6:20 AM

From his brother Skylar Ray Thomas’s Facebook:

[quote]Skylar Ray Thomas is with Jeff Thomas. 12 March at 04:36 · Dear friends and family,

It is with heavy hearts we announce the passing of my brother, Jeff on Wednesday, March 8th. As you have followed through the years, Jeff traveled the world and lived life to the fullest. What you may not know, is Jeff struggled with addiction and mental health challenges, which ultimately led to his tragic passing.

While Jeff's struggles were difficult, we want to remember him for the kind and caring person he was. He had a contagious sense of humor, a love for music, art and family, and a passion for helping others. He touched the lives of so many people, and his memory will live on in our hearts forever.

As a family, we hope that Jeff's passing can serve as a reminder of the importance of seeking help for mental health and addiction issues. We also ask that you honor or celebrate him respectfully in social media and encourage anyone who may be struggling to reach out for support, and to know that they are not alone in their struggles.

Today, we celebrate Jeff's life and to mourn his passing. We thank you all for your love and support during this difficult time, and we ask that you continue to keep Jeff and our family in your thoughts and prayers. We will be honoring his life soon with a memorial service and will communicate those details to everyone when available.

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by Anonymousreply 148March 18, 2023 6:29 AM

Skylar and Jeff; not sure who the girl is

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by Anonymousreply 150March 18, 2023 6:31 AM

Beautiful Jeff

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by Anonymousreply 151March 18, 2023 6:34 AM

Nice smile

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by Anonymousreply 152March 18, 2023 6:35 AM

It's funny you mentioned him. He dropped by several days ago.

by Anonymousreply 153March 18, 2023 6:42 AM

Model Jeff Thomas may have died while attempting to take a selfie on his balcony, his agent claims in a new interview.

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by Anonymousreply 154March 18, 2023 6:49 AM

There’s still such a negative stigma associated with suicide, which seems archaic.

Sometimes it is the best and/or only solution.

by Anonymousreply 155March 18, 2023 8:42 AM

“He was happy, motivated and excited for his next step”

Yeah, but that next step was a doozie.

by Anonymousreply 156March 18, 2023 8:44 AM

And r154 comes in breathlessly like he's Cronkite with a breaking scoop.


by Anonymousreply 157March 18, 2023 2:17 PM

(^.^) quelle horreur!

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by Anonymousreply 159March 18, 2023 2:59 PM

Sweet, with Richard

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by Anonymousreply 160March 18, 2023 3:00 PM

^ sorry wrong pic

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by Anonymousreply 161March 18, 2023 3:01 PM

I don't think I've seen one unfiltered pic of him among those posted.

by Anonymousreply 162March 18, 2023 3:34 PM

Stretch marks on those ass cheeks…that’s why he did it.

by Anonymousreply 163March 18, 2023 3:52 PM

Sorry, but I’m really not feeling the loss with this.

by Anonymousreply 164March 18, 2023 4:47 PM

R172: he looks pretty natural and unfiltered in this pic from r149

Although the fact that it was first posted by his brother Skylar on Facebook might have something to do with the lack of filters, but still

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by Anonymousreply 165March 18, 2023 5:18 PM

^ oops that’s for r162

by Anonymousreply 166March 18, 2023 5:19 PM

His emotional support

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by Anonymousreply 168March 19, 2023 10:32 AM

this used to be my playground

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by Anonymousreply 169March 19, 2023 10:41 AM

Overboard was one of his favorite movies.

by Anonymousreply 170March 19, 2023 12:58 PM

No, that little French bulldog is not a service dog. What kind of scam is he trying to pull?

by Anonymousreply 171March 19, 2023 9:03 PM

Beautiful moody pics shot by Brian Kaminski

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by Anonymousreply 172March 21, 2023 8:16 AM

What a sad loss

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by Anonymousreply 173March 21, 2023 8:17 AM

R173 Is it though?

by Anonymousreply 174March 21, 2023 8:22 AM

R174, Not feelin’ it.

by Anonymousreply 175March 21, 2023 9:18 AM

It's weird how this thread is being prolonged. Clearly a lot of sad queens get all soggy about a puddle-deep, deeply narcissistic Insta-ho.

by Anonymousreply 176March 21, 2023 9:28 AM

Soggy? This thread is rife with sarcasm.

by Anonymousreply 177March 21, 2023 4:44 PM

Took awhile for the sarcasm to take off. The sobbing sparkle ponies who started off got pissed when I posted skepticism at R24.

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by Anonymousreply 180March 24, 2023 3:27 AM

R180: OMG that’s shocking

by Anonymousreply 181March 24, 2023 3:43 AM

Walking through

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by Anonymousreply 182March 24, 2023 4:07 AM

With his trusty little emotional support pal

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by Anonymousreply 183March 24, 2023 4:08 AM

People actually didn't know Jeff was gay? Wow.

by Anonymousreply 184March 24, 2023 4:09 AM

R180 Thanks for sharing. I'm sorry for Jeff's untimely passing and the loved ones he leaves behind who are mourning his loss. That being said, after reading that article it's much harder for me to feel much sympathy for Jeff.

[quote] “If I’m gonna give up the relationships I have and give up my dreams right now, during Covid, or dating other guys or pursuing people, then I’m going to get a $300,000 car and I’m going to get a $13 million home (on Franklin Avenue in Hollywood Hills). So those are the things that I see fit for me to give up my freedom.”

Just another gay pretty boy of weak moral character who freely chose to use his looks and body as currency to live an outsized life of luxury on someone else's dime for several years. And in this case, the "someone else" is plainly a soulless, empathy-free vessel who has no problem selling out our rights for a tax cut because, hey, when you're obscenely rich in America no one can ever really take away YOUR rights. Gross.

by Anonymousreply 185March 24, 2023 4:39 AM

I'm not shocked, because my spidy sense was correct about Jeff's M.O. from the start. But the tale finally told is the full blown lurid genre where one party dies. RIP

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by Anonymousreply 186March 24, 2023 7:27 AM

Sunny days

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by Anonymousreply 187March 24, 2023 7:39 AM

hey lady, you lady

cursin' at your life...

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by Anonymousreply 188March 24, 2023 8:12 AM

"“If I’m gonna give up the relationships I have and give up my dreams right now, during Covid, or dating other guys or pursuing people, then I’m going to get a $300,000 car and I’m going to get a $13 million home [on Franklin Avenue in Hollywood Hills]. So those are the things that I see fit for me to give up my freedom,” he said."

What a shallow piece of price-tag-brained shit Thomas was.

by Anonymousreply 189March 24, 2023 9:03 AM

So you learn that he was Peter Thiel's kept lover and suddenly all you see in his photos is contaminated nuclear waste. Yuk!

by Anonymousreply 190March 24, 2023 9:38 AM

Meh I nailed it at R24 and R33. Let's just say I've been around and I'm not naive.

by Anonymousreply 191March 24, 2023 9:59 AM

R186. Well that explains it. Being forced to continually tolerate and physically be in contact with Thiel... no wonder he jumped.

by Anonymousreply 192March 24, 2023 11:02 AM

I had a slightly more empathy for him when I thought he was just an aging rent boy with a drug problem who couldn't deal with getting older.

Now we find out he was the kept man of Peter Thiel, who will probably turn out to be the modern-day version of Roy Cohn, given everything he's doing to hurt gay men and lesbians. Thomas did not care about any of that. He says that he tried to sway Thiel, but in the end, his mansion was more important than any of that.

Thomas was good looking enough that he could have been a fashion model, but he just wanted the mansion, yachts, and to party with celebrities.

by Anonymousreply 193March 24, 2023 11:18 AM

Oh honey do you know that time happens? There is a year. And then another year. Thomas tried to be a model and failed. He didn't just want the rent boy life, he fell into it in his 20s to make ends meet as he tried and failed other careers, pursued for over a decade. Thomas was 35, not 22.

by Anonymousreply 194March 24, 2023 11:31 AM

Thomas died on the 8th. Thiel was "so distraught" that less than two days later, he was on the text chain that started the run on Silicon Valley Bank.

Dead side-piece? Meh. Who cares. There's a bank that needs to be destroyed.

by Anonymousreply 195March 24, 2023 11:38 AM

What is Peter Thiel's problem? Is it just money and greed or is there some kind of sadism there as well?

by Anonymousreply 196March 24, 2023 12:00 PM

anagram for Peter Thiel: The Reptile

by Anonymousreply 197March 24, 2023 12:18 PM

R187 Is he trying to figure out if he’ll bounce from this height?

by Anonymousreply 198March 24, 2023 12:57 PM

He was seriously stupid. A good whore gets property in their name.

by Anonymousreply 199March 24, 2023 1:46 PM

[Quote] Matthew Thomas, Jeff’s stepfather who adopted and raised him, declined to be interviewed, saying, “I know the whole story, and I’ve talked to Peter a lot.”

This sounds like fishing for a payoff, no?

by Anonymousreply 200March 24, 2023 2:02 PM

R200 Yes it does. You can't take at face value anything the family says at this point, because they're probably looking for a payout.

by Anonymousreply 201March 24, 2023 2:06 PM

No,Theil is paying him to keep his mouth shut or else has something on him. If the stepfather is an entrepreneur, he's probablky alsosome sort of grifter.

by Anonymousreply 202March 24, 2023 2:08 PM

[Quote] he's probablky alsosome sort of grifter.

What's in the bitch, comes out in the pup.

by Anonymousreply 203March 24, 2023 2:21 PM

Not his genetic material. Reading skills?

by Anonymousreply 204March 24, 2023 2:23 PM

It's kind of sad that the best the family can hope for is to shake Thiel down for a bit of cash. I don't blame them for not wanting to go up against him, especially after their loss.

by Anonymousreply 205March 24, 2023 2:53 PM

They were not Jeff's dependants. Why the fuck would they be "entitled" to shake down anyone for cash over this?

by Anonymousreply 206March 24, 2023 2:54 PM

Given that the circumstances of his death [bold]may[/bold] be such that there is someone responsible who would, ordinarily, be brought to justice for it, then the family are doing all they can with the deck stacked against them.

Also, no-one mentioned "entitled", so I'm not sure why that's in quotation marks, nor did anyone say they were dependent on him.

by Anonymousreply 207March 24, 2023 3:04 PM

Some DLers have puerile imaginations.

by Anonymousreply 208March 24, 2023 3:05 PM

Immediate family members probably have grounds for a wrongful death. Thiel is a rich public figure and had been keeping their family member in an arguably coercive relationship which led to his suicide. Yes, he was a 35 year old drifting from gig to gig and spending too much time at the gym, but there still may be legal grounds.

by Anonymousreply 209March 24, 2023 3:48 PM

Thiel is vile, but unless he personally shoved Thomas off that rooftop or paid someone else to do it, he bears no legal or financial responsibility for Thomas' death. The hyperbole on this thread is out of control.

by Anonymousreply 210March 24, 2023 4:55 PM

The relationship was over, if I read correctly.

Some AI article posted this photo.

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by Anonymousreply 212March 25, 2023 12:20 AM

He was cute but not $13,000,000 cute.

by Anonymousreply 213March 25, 2023 2:51 PM

On one hand, the brother revealed that Thomas had suffered from mental health issues.

On the other, he had just broken up with Peter Thiel, who has a history of being vindictive to those who hurt him (he crushed Gawker for outing him).

So whether it turns out to be suicide or murder, I won't be surprised. We'll probably never know, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 214March 25, 2023 3:57 PM

Peter Thiel probably explained to him that according to the termination clauses in tiny characters in the middle of a hundred pages contract was that he wouldn't be able to keep any of his (Thiel's) gift or properties, because everything you have belongs to me the second our paths diverge. The gold digger thought he had it all and then he realized he was basically homeless, had burned too many bridges and he was already 35 and mostly over the hill.

by Anonymousreply 215March 25, 2023 9:10 PM

R215- This is what I am thinking. Only one thing gives me pause. He was obviously very vain about his looks , his body. It just seems odd to that someone that obsessed with his looks would jump from highrise and leave a mangled corpse, but I suppose if you someone is at the point of suicide they probably don't care anymore. 🤷‍♀️

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by Anonymousreply 217March 25, 2023 9:21 PM

He might have been angry that his own gorgeousness wasn't enough or had even doomed him.

I don't the face is that fabulous. There is a simian aspect from the nose down.

by Anonymousreply 218March 25, 2023 9:24 PM

Lying prone

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by Anonymousreply 219March 25, 2023 11:07 PM

Nice ass but you can buy nicer for 13 mill.

by Anonymousreply 220March 25, 2023 11:55 PM

R219, Is that how he landed?

by Anonymousreply 221March 26, 2023 12:13 AM

Maybe this will be the thing that gets Count Thielula scrutinized much more closely. He’s a sickening person (using that term lightly).

by Anonymousreply 222March 26, 2023 3:17 AM

Who is taking the photos of his taint and hole? And why is he letting them?

by Anonymousreply 223March 26, 2023 3:56 AM

Why is a hooker having someone photograph the goods? Gee, I can't think why!

by Anonymousreply 224March 26, 2023 3:57 AM

Then why isn’t he letting them photograph his erect cock? Does he have standards or is shy?

by Anonymousreply 225March 26, 2023 3:59 AM

He wasn't a porn actor. He was catering to a different clientele.

by Anonymousreply 226March 26, 2023 4:04 AM

R215 This is spot on.

He was a vain whore who saw his youth slipping away.

I witnessed this first hand. A buddy in my friend group killed himself just before he turned 40. He was very good looking and very shallow. He also had BPD as well as HPD, which were the two primary drivers of his mental illness.

But what really stayed with me was something he said a few weeks before he hanged himself. He talked about turning 40 as if it was a death sentence, sort of like a real life Logan's Run.

He loved to show off his hot body. I remember one Easter brunch about 15 years ago that turned out to be the first warm day of the season. We were all in the backyard just chatting around the pick nick table. He decided to strip down to his underwear and sunbathe. This is incredibly odd behavior for an Easter brunch. He knew that he would draw attention to himself by doing that.

Then a few years later, we were all having a picnic for a Labor Day bbq at a friend's cabin in the woods. He decides to, once again, strip down to his shorts and spray moss off the roof. It was not the time nor place to get on the roof and spray it down to remove moss. But he knew that he would have an audience. I was embarrassed for him and his need for attention.

Then a few months after that he hanged himself. His hot body could never fill the bottomless pit of need in his soul.

by Anonymousreply 227March 26, 2023 4:13 AM

How do you fill your need?

by Anonymousreply 228March 26, 2023 4:15 AM

By helping others and by being a contributing member of society.

by Anonymousreply 229March 26, 2023 4:23 AM

This was his final post.

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by Anonymousreply 230March 26, 2023 4:24 AM

[quote] He also had BPD as well as HPD


by Anonymousreply 231March 26, 2023 4:24 AM

I’m guessing borderline personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder?

by Anonymousreply 232March 26, 2023 4:25 AM

[quote] Insta he was gay (or a hellacious gaybaiter)

Gay baiting is a literary criticism. Real people cannot gay bait.

by Anonymousreply 233March 26, 2023 4:26 AM

[quote] I can't be "sad" for a gay-baiter. IF they can't make their career succeed without leading on their gay male audience

First of all, that’s not what gay baiting is, second, what do you mean leading on a gay audience? Did you think you were going to date him? Do you only support gays? Give me a break. You liked his body. He delivered that. He owes you nothing else.

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by Anonymousreply 235March 26, 2023 4:31 AM

[Quote] He also had BPD as well as HPD

Borderline Personality Disorder and Holiday Personality Disorder.

by Anonymousreply 236March 26, 2023 4:33 AM

BPD and HPD are part of the same family of diagnoses. In the past Borderlines were often considered to be a subset of histrionics.

by Anonymousreply 237March 26, 2023 4:35 AM

[quote]This was his final post.

That's a very stylish club R230. It looks an Elder Gay Eldorado.

by Anonymousreply 238March 26, 2023 4:52 AM

R230 I cannot stand insta-hoes at the gym taking selfies of themselves. It's weird. Gyms are for working out. And I'm sure those two guys in the background did not give consent to have their pics taken in a private gym.

by Anonymousreply 239March 26, 2023 5:01 AM

R230 Was he testing out the most photogenic landing position?

by Anonymousreply 240March 26, 2023 5:05 AM

Maybe he was just bored...

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by Anonymousreply 241March 26, 2023 5:17 PM

R241, It’s possible . . .

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by Anonymousreply 242March 26, 2023 5:39 PM

I am the OP of this thread, my jaw dropped when I read the Peter Thiel connection

by Anonymousreply 243March 26, 2023 6:00 PM

R243 Is that because you were sucking his cock at the time?

by Anonymousreply 244March 26, 2023 6:42 PM

I wonder how many different guys Thiel has "kept"

by Anonymousreply 245March 26, 2023 7:05 PM

R245- Yes and did any of them take a sudden flight off of a highrise balcony?

by Anonymousreply 246March 26, 2023 7:11 PM

Dead models tell no tales

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^ I had that, bitches!

by Anonymousreply 249March 27, 2023 3:13 AM

Did the NY Post make up the "selfie" stuff to distract from the Thiel story?

by Anonymousreply 250March 27, 2023 3:35 AM

His agent said he probably fell by mistake smoking a cigarette on the balcony as he was known to do. Seems plausible since he posted about his new move and his grandmother as if he was happy not suicidal.

by Anonymousreply 251March 27, 2023 3:37 AM

"He had everything going for him - killer looks, his healthy body, I'm sure a dynamic social circle that invited him to plenty of circuit parties and trips abroad to exotic destinations"

The glamorous life of a Peter Thiel rentboy!

by Anonymousreply 252March 27, 2023 4:19 AM

R250 I wouldn't be surprised. Thiel is good at eliminating anything disparaging about him online. He must have a team that takes care of defending him.

by Anonymousreply 253March 27, 2023 6:44 AM

He didn't read the manual!

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by Anonymousreply 255March 27, 2023 9:16 AM

Damn, that ass was fiiine

by Anonymousreply 256March 27, 2023 7:26 PM

Did Thiel go inside that ass, or was it the other way around?

by Anonymousreply 257March 27, 2023 7:28 PM

Couldn't it have been recto-verso. Thomas seemed really proud of his ass.

by Anonymousreply 258March 27, 2023 7:31 PM

If my ass looked like that, I'd be proud of it, too

by Anonymousreply 259March 27, 2023 7:33 PM

Its quite plausible that Thiel is adventurous, experienced, and even kind and debauched.

Remember its possible for the kept young man to be a rather conventional object of beauty, not a sexual dynamo.

by Anonymousreply 260March 27, 2023 7:35 PM

I cant' type. KIND was supposed to be KINKY

by Anonymousreply 261March 27, 2023 7:36 PM

That ass was a national treasure *sobs*

by Anonymousreply 262March 27, 2023 7:38 PM

Man-stealing hussy!

by Anonymousreply 263March 27, 2023 7:39 PM

More cleaning

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by Anonymousreply 264March 27, 2023 11:27 PM

Turning it On

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by Anonymousreply 265March 27, 2023 11:27 PM

Such outpouring for Jeff.

Reminds me of Gore Vidal’s quote when informed of Truman Capote’s death . . . “Good career move”.

by Anonymousreply 266March 27, 2023 11:35 PM

I'm sure Thiel spent a lot of time......cleaning him

by Anonymousreply 267March 28, 2023 12:07 AM

[quote]arguably coercive relationship

That's like saying my employer coerces me to work by offering a paycheque.

by Anonymousreply 268March 28, 2023 12:19 AM

Maybe he didn't "coerce" them but I doubt Thiel was all that wonderful to his pieces of ass

by Anonymousreply 269March 28, 2023 12:44 AM

Transient Beauty

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by Anonymousreply 270March 28, 2023 1:00 AM

where did you find all the glamour shots? When he died we had bupkis.

by Anonymousreply 271March 28, 2023 1:11 AM

R271: online, in various websites devoted to male models

True beauty will be remembered

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by Anonymousreply 272March 28, 2023 1:45 AM

What does his tattoo say?

by Anonymousreply 273March 28, 2023 1:51 AM

He was super hot.

Why didn't he have more followers on instagram? Way uglier dudes have much bigger followings.

by Anonymousreply 274March 28, 2023 1:52 AM

A self absorbed selfie whore died from being a self absorbed whore. Hopefully he learned his lesson.

by Anonymousreply 275March 28, 2023 1:53 AM

He didn't die from selfies. That was spin.

by Anonymousreply 276March 28, 2023 1:57 AM


Though I don't know if bodies actually spin in mid air.

by Anonymousreply 277March 28, 2023 1:59 AM

Ugh—this is what will happen to Dylan G…he’s already doing the same not very erotic pics…suicide watch in 3, 2, 1…

by Anonymousreply 278March 28, 2023 1:59 AM

R276: some of you better at deciphering should be able to figure it out

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by Anonymousreply 279March 28, 2023 2:00 AM

This has been posted before, but this one is lightly adjusted/edited

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by Anonymousreply 280March 28, 2023 2:10 AM

Just think, gross Peter Thiel had his hands on that!

by Anonymousreply 281March 28, 2023 2:49 AM

R281- I would jump from a high rise balcony too if I were him.

by Anonymousreply 282March 28, 2023 2:50 AM

He’d be alive today if only he’d owned a selfie stick.

by Anonymousreply 283March 28, 2023 3:01 AM

R283- That made me laugh. 😄

by Anonymousreply 284March 28, 2023 3:05 AM

He'd be alive if he had stayed away from slimy Peter Thiel

by Anonymousreply 285March 28, 2023 3:12 AM

He had a body like Michelangelo's David

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by Anonymousreply 286March 28, 2023 3:13 AM

So much hotness

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by Anonymousreply 287March 28, 2023 3:15 AM

Should have settled for a poor man's roses, instead of a rich man's gold!

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by Anonymousreply 288March 28, 2023 3:21 AM

R286, But hopefully a bigger penis.

by Anonymousreply 289March 28, 2023 4:23 AM

Jeff's story feels like a modern day Greek tragedy. Beautiful young gay man lives a life that is so vain and narcissistic, his whole existence and livelihood completely revolves around his looks.

Due to his sheer beauty, he catches the eye of an extremely wealthy yet extremely vile eldergay, and basically agrees to be the eldergay's kept plaything. Evidently, vile is tolerable but lack of obscene wealth is not.

The arrangement eventually ends, presumably when vile wealthy eldergay tires of this young plaything and wants to upgrade. Young gay man moves on, relocating to an entirely different city for a fresh start but still living in means that appear way beyond those of someone with no discernible skills, credentials, or known sources of legitimate recurring employment income.

Then ultimately, young gay man falls from the perilous height of his luxe chambers to his immediate demise, under unknown circumstances and in a manner that utterly obliterated the one asset he held dearest in his shallow life: his beauty.

by Anonymousreply 290March 28, 2023 6:20 AM

You can hire 43,333 escorts at $300/pop for $13 mill. That's a different guy ever night for 118 years. Ain't no one piece of ass with that much--ESPECIALLY if he was a smoker!

by Anonymousreply 291March 28, 2023 7:31 AM

Math for sugar daddies!

by Anonymousreply 292March 28, 2023 7:45 AM

R290, if Tennessee Williams were alive today, he'd write a Tony-award winning play with a very similar plot based on these events.

"Opossum on an Icy Copper Terrace", or some such.

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by Anonymousreply 295March 28, 2023 10:39 AM

The tattoo said Otradovsky. A woman named Mary Grace Otradovsky died in Cleveland in 2019 and Jeff Thomas of West Hollywood is listed as one of the bereaved. Grandson, I assume, though I can't tell as the website is subscription-only and I'm just gleaning this from the Google results page.

by Anonymousreply 296March 28, 2023 10:58 AM

Strike that, he was her great-grandson. This lady was almost 104, in case you're wondering how Jeff's great-grandmother was still alive when he was in his thirties.

by Anonymousreply 297March 28, 2023 11:00 AM

R296/r297: Thanks for the deciphering and info

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by Anonymousreply 298March 28, 2023 11:29 AM

Was he cremated? Funeral or memorial service?

by Anonymousreply 299March 28, 2023 11:32 AM

Mary Grace lived in Columbus, not Cleveland. Here's the obit.

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by Anonymousreply 300March 28, 2023 1:05 PM

Jeff's face wasn't all that. And the teeth were overbearing.

by Anonymousreply 301March 28, 2023 2:04 PM

R301, He had an odd looking mouth.

by Anonymousreply 302March 28, 2023 2:37 PM

Would such an obviously vain man leave a mangled corpse though?

by Anonymousreply 303March 28, 2023 2:44 PM

[quote] Just another gay pretty boy of weak moral character who freely chose to use his looks and body as currency to live an outsized life of luxury on someone else's dime for several years. And in this case, the "someone else" is plainly a soulless, empathy-free vessel who has no problem selling out our rights for a tax cut because, hey, when you're obscenely rich in America no one can ever really take away YOUR rights. Gross.

Any man who uses his looks and body as currency also sacrifices his dignity. Any man who believes that his looks and body are his only currency is already damaged. Unlike women, who are conditioned to believe their looks and body are legitimately their currency. Women have to actively reject that conditioning. However, many women can achieve some measure of personal fulfillment trading on their looks and body to be someone's "mistress" or a trophy wife.

A huge part of Smith's emotional turmoil came from the fact that he was not a total idiot and was being kept by a troll. He was unmoored and somewhat ashamed but tried to rationalize it by convincing himself he had an opportunity to change a gay ogre into a normal person. He couldn't and it now seems even clearer why he may have been suicidal. Gay men are still men and most are not built to trade away their dignity, self-worth and emotional well-being in this way.

by Anonymousreply 304March 28, 2023 4:13 PM

Bet Thiel has already moved on to an even younger male model/instaho

by Anonymousreply 305March 28, 2023 6:07 PM

Who is Smith? R304

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by Anonymousreply 307March 29, 2023 3:49 AM

Melania should have given him some sugar baby tips

by Anonymousreply 308March 30, 2023 2:41 AM

He has a cousin who is saying it's NOT suicide

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by Anonymousreply 309March 30, 2023 3:01 AM

Laughing at some of the Lipstick Alley comments:

(People don't talk about how Sug@ring can take a toll on the SB if they never had anyone kick any actual game to them. Had he been a ten toes down heaux, he probably could have handled it better. Sounds like he caught feelings or shouldn't have been Sug@ring to begin with.)

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by Anonymousreply 310March 30, 2023 3:23 AM

R309: speaking of Coachella, the following screencaps first appeared on LPSG

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by Anonymousreply 311March 30, 2023 4:48 AM

I don’t quite understand why it’s in Spanish but

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by Anonymousreply 312March 30, 2023 4:49 AM

^^ Direct link

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by Anonymousreply 313March 30, 2023 4:49 AM

That lpsg thread is juicy, he has ties to Aaron Schock, apparently:

As someone mentioned above, he notoriously sleeps with wealthy men. Aaron S connects him to that high level of clientele willing to pay a few k for someone like Jeff. Despite how old he is at this point ‍

by Anonymousreply 314March 30, 2023 4:58 AM

Based on that thread he also had a (non-sugar daddy) bf while he was seeing Thiel

by Anonymousreply 315March 30, 2023 5:11 AM

I just wanna know if it was a comedy death or not!

by Anonymousreply 316March 30, 2023 5:13 AM

R315: yeah the timeline seems to overlap while he’s going out with Richard @richardbiglia

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by Anonymousreply 317March 30, 2023 5:18 AM

Hard to believe Thiel wasn’t able to satisfy him 😉

by Anonymousreply 318March 30, 2023 7:39 AM

Legs realness

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by Anonymousreply 319March 30, 2023 8:56 AM

Legs Realness is my Grindr screen name.

by Anonymousreply 320March 30, 2023 10:51 AM

Mine is ChunkyLuvr454.

by Anonymousreply 321March 30, 2023 3:03 PM

Legs Realness sounds like a gangster's moll from an old Warner Brothers movie

by Anonymousreply 322March 30, 2023 6:38 PM

With an unidentified friend

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by Anonymousreply 323March 31, 2023 3:48 AM

Hot "friend"

by Anonymousreply 324March 31, 2023 4:00 AM

There’s really nothing special or interesting about this dead himbo.

by Anonymousreply 325March 31, 2023 4:12 AM

Bitch, he was MY himbo!

by Anonymousreply 326March 31, 2023 4:17 AM

Time out with friend

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by Anonymousreply 327March 31, 2023 8:38 AM

Did this guy or his friends ever wear shirts when hanging out? Man, give it a break once in a while. Do you have to advertise 24/7?

by Anonymousreply 328March 31, 2023 11:11 AM

Ok, I just sçrolled through this entire thread in one sitting.

R176 you certainly were right to wonder why this thread kept going. Then 4 posts later the Thiel connection emerged.

In retrospect it is easy to see something was slightly "off" about this alleged suicide. The NY Post's "selfie" story is a HUGE red flag. I thought there were witnesses to his alleged suicide? The fact that an investigation was opened at all is huge.

Peter Thiel's machinations aside, whatever was planned seem to have failed; the banking industry is still here.

With Trump's first indictment, the Dominion lawsuit and McConnell's imminent demise, decades long plans are falling apart all at once. Even if the model did truly die by suicide, the notoriously insular upper echelons believe differently.

The next few years of the "Right" should be very, very interesting.

by Anonymousreply 329March 31, 2023 11:57 AM

Jeff was clearly a bottom. All those presenting hole shots, yet no dick pics. Jeff strikes me as having tiny meat.

Jeff is likely to have life insurance, so I can see why the family are saying this was an accidental death and not a suicide.

by Anonymousreply 330March 31, 2023 12:18 PM

R330, his dick pic is up at the LPSG.COM site linked above. It's a meaty, hard dick. Nothing to be ashamed of.

by Anonymousreply 331March 31, 2023 12:22 PM

I stand corrected R330.

by Anonymousreply 332March 31, 2023 12:33 PM

Others are there as well, but without this full, hard erection r332.

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by Anonymousreply 333March 31, 2023 12:49 PM

He looks 35 in 327s cksose-up. One poster on the other site remarked that his skin dindn't loo great close-up.

by Anonymousreply 334March 31, 2023 1:18 PM

Fixed link

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by Anonymousreply 335March 31, 2023 1:25 PM

Third time's the charm

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by Anonymousreply 336March 31, 2023 1:26 PM

[quote]Did this guy or his friends ever wear shirts when hanging out?

To be fair, if I had a body even close to his, I'd have two shirts. One for work and one for funerals.

by Anonymousreply 337March 31, 2023 4:23 PM

It would be interesting to know the full story of his last weeks.

by Anonymousreply 338March 31, 2023 4:26 PM

R328, escorts have to show off the merchandise

by Anonymousreply 339March 31, 2023 6:11 PM

I would like know Thiel broke things off with him because of that interview JT gave. I highly suspect he did. JT was with him for seven years. What else did JT know?

by Anonymousreply 340March 31, 2023 6:15 PM

Did Jeff Thomas garner this much DL attention when alive?

by Anonymousreply 341March 31, 2023 6:24 PM

Henry Cavill IS Jeff Thomas in I'm a Whore, Darlin': The Jeff Thomas Story

by Anonymousreply 342March 31, 2023 6:26 PM

R342 Jeff Thomas hasn't received this much attention before, but Jeff Spaide has.

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by Anonymousreply 343March 31, 2023 6:29 PM

Did Thiel pay this guys family to shut up?

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by Anonymousreply 346April 1, 2023 5:48 AM

Which of these shots did Thiel jerk off to?

by Anonymousreply 347April 1, 2023 6:54 AM

^ maybe this one? Sexy *and* Vulnerable at the same time…

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by Anonymousreply 348April 1, 2023 6:56 AM

Peter strikes one as a person not easy to get along with: impatient, doesn’t suffer fools; so even just to be his kept boy, the person mustn’t say stupid things or give ‘duh’ responses, and must know when to keep quiet

Not book-smart, but a kind of street intelligence that makes one a hustler, in the positive sense of the word

by Anonymousreply 349April 1, 2023 7:04 AM

R349 Not sure I’d define an ardent MAGA supporter as “not suffering fools”. Seems to be a lot of fool suffering with that group.

by Anonymousreply 350April 1, 2023 9:04 AM

R350 for the win

by Anonymousreply 351April 1, 2023 7:07 PM

Anyone who is bffs with Trump can definitely suffer fools

by Anonymousreply 352April 1, 2023 11:30 PM

Laughing with Cousin Meghan

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by Anonymousreply 353April 2, 2023 9:06 AM

R342, perhaps the ONLY movie nowadays I would run right out and watch in a movie theater opening day!

by Anonymousreply 354April 2, 2023 9:23 AM

Was Jeff's death connected to Thiel's run on the Silicon Valley Bank?

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by Anonymousreply 355April 2, 2023 9:24 PM

[quote] There’s really nothing special or interesting about this dead himbo.

Unless it was MURDER. Then it would make a good episode of Law and Order SVU.

by Anonymousreply 356April 2, 2023 9:39 PM

Who will play Thiel and Thomas on the Law and Order episode?

by Anonymousreply 357April 2, 2023 9:42 PM

He had a MAGA dad, but couldn't live forever.

by Anonymousreply 358April 2, 2023 9:44 PM

[quote] Did Thiel pay this guys family to shut up?

Sad but they would probably take it. JT was going to have a premature end one way or another. The family figures $4mm is exactly what they need to counterbalance their grief.

by Anonymousreply 359April 2, 2023 9:47 PM

What was on his iPod?

Time for me to fly.

by Anonymousreply 360April 2, 2023 10:13 PM

We love Peter Thiel! He's a hero!

by Anonymousreply 361April 3, 2023 1:05 AM


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by Anonymousreply 362April 3, 2023 6:01 AM

Well at least he's wearing a shirt in that one

by Anonymousreply 363April 3, 2023 6:02 AM

The sky was blue that day

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by Anonymousreply 364April 3, 2023 6:02 AM

Someone knew something....

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by Anonymousreply 365April 3, 2023 6:16 AM


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by Anonymousreply 366April 3, 2023 1:49 PM

Great ass anyway

by Anonymousreply 367April 3, 2023 2:59 PM

R366, What a pity if that was cremated.

by Anonymousreply 368April 3, 2023 4:08 PM

He must be cremated to destroy all the evidence

by Anonymousreply 369April 3, 2023 7:58 PM

Wow, Jeff was like the instaho version of Susan Hayward in Back Street

by Anonymousreply 370April 3, 2023 8:33 PM


by Anonymousreply 371April 4, 2023 1:45 AM

There was another male model who killed himself by jumping off a Miami apartment building

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by Anonymousreply 372April 4, 2023 3:23 AM

A spokesperson for the Miami Dade Coroner’s Office said the investigation into Thomas’ death was expected to take a couple of months. She said, “We have no idea about the cause of death yet.”

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by Anonymousreply 373April 4, 2023 4:17 AM

R372 he was much better looking.

by Anonymousreply 374April 4, 2023 5:29 AM

The archived non-paywalled version of article at r373

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by Anonymousreply 375April 4, 2023 5:39 AM

Apparently Jeff was also a fuckbuddy of Aaron Schock

by Anonymousreply 376April 4, 2023 5:45 AM

"he thrived on mentorships with people of all walks of life". I think we know what this means. He also networked between artists and clients---again plenty of surplus meaning that we can easily figure out.

by Anonymousreply 377April 4, 2023 12:34 PM

Well he didn’t exactly “thrive” under Thiel’s mentorship, did he?

by Anonymousreply 378April 4, 2023 4:09 PM

I'm guessing his wallet and perhaps his member (augmented by viagra) thrived.

by Anonymousreply 379April 4, 2023 5:43 PM

[quote]She said, “We have no idea about the cause of death yet.”


by Anonymousreply 380April 4, 2023 5:54 PM

I mentored Jeff all night long!

by Anonymousreply 381April 4, 2023 6:58 PM


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by Anonymousreply 383April 5, 2023 7:23 AM

That's a sexy photo R383.

by Anonymousreply 384April 5, 2023 10:54 AM

R384: yes he looked good wearing clothes too

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by Anonymousreply 385April 5, 2023 12:19 PM

On vacay

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by Anonymousreply 386April 5, 2023 12:20 PM

He looked better dressed completely. I don't know what Thiel put him through but Jeff fucked up somewhere between 30 and death. He needed a real occupation to counterbalance the whoring.

by Anonymousreply 387April 5, 2023 12:23 PM

Was there an obituary?

by Anonymousreply 388April 5, 2023 1:14 PM

R383, I made him dress up like that before sex

by Anonymousreply 389April 5, 2023 6:25 PM

R385 He looked even better wearing pavement.

by Anonymousreply 390April 5, 2023 6:30 PM

What does Marc Vidal have that Jeff didn't?

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by Anonymousreply 391April 5, 2023 6:58 PM

Who is Marc Vidal?

by Anonymousreply 392April 5, 2023 7:00 PM

From BelAmi porn performer. He went on to become the partner of Giancarlo Giametti, of Valentino fame.

by Anonymousreply 393April 5, 2023 7:03 PM

Marc Vidal, call me!

by Anonymousreply 394April 5, 2023 7:51 PM

I think Marc is older than Jeff was.

by Anonymousreply 395April 5, 2023 7:53 PM

Ker-ching to 'Marc'

by Anonymousreply 396April 5, 2023 8:52 PM

Stay away from those tall buildings in FL, kids

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by Anonymousreply 397April 5, 2023 9:56 PM

There's a new Daily Mail article with lots of dirt on Jeff and Peter Thiel

by Anonymousreply 398April 5, 2023 11:45 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 399April 5, 2023 11:57 PM

What is it with Floridian building regulations R397?

Will no one think of the twinks?

by Anonymousreply 400April 5, 2023 11:57 PM

All FL buildings should have twink guardrails

by Anonymousreply 401April 5, 2023 11:59 PM

[quote] Suicide unfortunately.

Yup, a swan dive from the 57th floor.

by Anonymousreply 402April 6, 2023 1:13 AM

R400 They slip right through those balcony rails. Darn those tiny little waists!

by Anonymousreply 403April 6, 2023 2:44 AM

"What does Marc Vidal have that Jeff didn't?"

A first floor apartment?

by Anonymousreply 404April 6, 2023 4:01 AM

By the beach

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by Anonymousreply 405April 7, 2023 8:32 AM

Wow Marc Vidal must have had some expensive work done. He looks fantastic, much better than he did in gay porn. At Bel Ami his face looked like Central European peasant stock, albeit with a big dick.

by Anonymousreply 406April 7, 2023 1:46 PM

Where was the pic at r405 taken? It looks cool

by Anonymousreply 407April 7, 2023 7:07 PM

He's not still there, r407.

by Anonymousreply 408April 7, 2023 7:08 PM

Was Thiel fucking Jeff raw and breeding him? Was that part of the arrangement?

by Anonymousreply 409April 7, 2023 10:45 PM

R407: good question. I thought of the same thing: it looks like a large installation piece set right next to the sea

Could it be somewhere like Dubai where weird fantastic architectural’pieces’ blossom next to their artificially created water front?

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by Anonymousreply 410April 8, 2023 8:04 AM

If it's true he hung with Aaron Schock then it wasn't suicide--it was karma.

by Anonymousreply 411April 12, 2023 8:42 AM

Remnants of Extinction

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by Anonymousreply 412April 12, 2023 10:51 AM

^ grim

by Anonymousreply 413April 12, 2023 5:52 PM

He seems simple, posing in front of tourist attractions in tourist cities. He was in over his head in the croud he ran with and make good choices then very bad choices. The party appearance was a very bad choice. Giving interviews about his Sugar Daddy, yet having no escape plan.

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by Anonymousreply 415April 13, 2023 4:09 AM

On a lighter note, ex bf Richard has fabulous legs

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by Anonymousreply 416April 13, 2023 10:42 AM

^ I know, I had my face between them

by Anonymousreply 417April 13, 2023 3:14 PM

twisted tongue

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by Anonymousreply 418April 13, 2023 4:48 PM

I know this pic was posted before, but I think few of us noticed the modest sized dildo on the night stand

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by Anonymousreply 419April 13, 2023 5:23 PM

^ the size would indicate a rather vanilla sex life, yes?

by Anonymousreply 420April 13, 2023 5:38 PM

I think he was vanilla. As I said above, he looks like a simple man not some grand adventuress and courtesan.

by Anonymousreply 421April 13, 2023 5:46 PM

Well, looked like anyway.

by Anonymousreply 422April 13, 2023 5:49 PM

He was available to guys with lots of cash. And was already a hooker before he met Thiel.

by Anonymousreply 423April 13, 2023 6:32 PM

Looks G’d out in thst pic^. For all cummers

by Anonymousreply 424April 13, 2023 6:53 PM


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by Anonymousreply 426April 13, 2023 7:30 PM

Thiel basically used him as an escort and expensive escort.......Seems Jeff was not opposed to escorting.

by Anonymousreply 427April 13, 2023 9:36 PM

I wonder what Thiels husband knew about Thomas and when. Thomas said in the interview that he have that Thiel and his husband had an open relationship and the husband was aware of Thiels rent boy. However, his angry reaction to Thomas being at the party indicates otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 428April 13, 2023 9:55 PM

R428 They might have an open relationship but they might not be vulgar libertines about rentboys mixing it up socially among their invited guests at Their New Years Eve party at their home. Not everything is an orgy. You don't get it?

by Anonymousreply 429April 13, 2023 10:57 PM

R429- Why so hostile? Of course understand why he wouldn't be wanted at the party. I was wondering if Thiel had been honest with his husband about Thomas or if he was blindsided.

by Anonymousreply 430April 13, 2023 11:14 PM

R429, trust me, there were other rent boys at the party


by Anonymousreply 431April 13, 2023 11:51 PM

If I had to guess, I'd say Thiel's hubby must have known that there were other guys (How could he not? Look at all the twinks at the party) but might have been jealous of Jeff in particular. Or guys Thiel had a longer-term involvement with

by Anonymousreply 432April 14, 2023 12:35 AM

They should have had a "The Boy is Mine" karaoke battle

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by Anonymousreply 433April 14, 2023 2:37 AM

R419 oh my, I see why Peter was into pounding Jeff’s ass. It’s a hot piece of ass, and the rest of him is pretty fuck’n hot too. Jeff we miss your hotness.

by Anonymousreply 434April 14, 2023 4:06 AM

What will the porn movie be called?

by Anonymousreply 435April 14, 2023 4:11 AM

His hole is a lot nicer than Aaron Schock's!

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by Anonymousreply 437April 14, 2023 6:56 PM

R435- One last fuck before I fly.

by Anonymousreply 438April 14, 2023 6:58 PM

He looks were average.

If he thought of himself as a beautiful model, then he was about to start a hard hike uphill.

by Anonymousreply 439April 14, 2023 7:14 PM

[quote]He looks were average.

Mmmmkay, hun.

by Anonymousreply 440April 14, 2023 9:05 PM

Let me see if I have my facts correct. He lived in a $13M house in a glitzy part of LA, he drove a $300K car, he got shuttled around in private jets and on multi million dollar yachts and he only had to ‘work’ a few times every so often when Peter required his services. And despite all of this free stuff and lifestyle that he could never have achieved on his own, he just couldn’t be content to stay in the shadows, stay out of the spotlight and not rock the boat? He wasn’t some 19 year old kid, he was a 35 year old man. What the hell did he think he signed up for. That’s not how any of this high end business works. Either you embrace and live with the arrangement and all the confines that come along with it, and let go of your soul, or you don’t sign on in the first place. Too bad Jeff lost his way along the way and didn’t realize it until it was too late.

by Anonymousreply 441April 14, 2023 9:06 PM

[quote]His hole is a lot nicer than Aaron Schock's!

Please. A homeless person who hasn't had access to a shower for a month has a nicer hole (and cleaner, too) than Cockgobbler.

by Anonymousreply 442April 14, 2023 9:06 PM

What did he do that was "even worse"?

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by Anonymousreply 443April 14, 2023 9:20 PM

Have a look at some of the other 'models' featured on that insta page. Some classically good looking men but so many fug guys. I hate what modelling has become.

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by Anonymousreply 444April 14, 2023 11:46 PM

If only they had done a Pretty Woman remake

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by Anonymousreply 445April 15, 2023 12:32 AM

Pretty Man

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by Anonymousreply 447April 15, 2023 12:49 AM

Star Wars

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by Anonymousreply 448April 15, 2023 1:16 AM

A sadness in his eyes

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by Anonymousreply 449April 15, 2023 9:31 AM

R449 My eyes are up here!

by Anonymousreply 450April 15, 2023 10:52 PM

He was sad because he had just noticed that his treasure trail was slightly off-center….he knew that Peter wouldn’t like that too much.

by Anonymousreply 451April 16, 2023 12:49 PM

It just seems such a shallow, sad, empty life. They only have such a limited amount of time when they are young and pretty then they are dismissed and rejected by their only social network. Why don't they plan ahead and use the money they earn to get a college degree or real estate. Something to financially support themselves later on. My worst nightmare would be to have to be financially dependent on someone else. I would have no self respect or self esteem if I could not support myself, have a career. I am not judging them, I just couldn't live that way. You wouldn't be free to express yourself and would have to tolerate being treated any way they felt like treating you. Your home, your vehicle would never really be yours. You couldn't tell them to kiss your ass if they disrespected you. You would be reduced to putting castor oil in their soup to get your silent revenge.

by Anonymousreply 452April 16, 2023 1:07 PM

Look upthread....Thomas was planning to go into real estate and apparently had dabbled in it before. As cunning as he might of been in pursuing moneybags, that doesn't translate into shrewd investing or thinking long-term about the future. At 35, he lasted longer than the average boytoy, which may have been a problem---some would be actor or model who gets picked up and cast aside in their early 20s by some rich guy can more easily go back to some occupation like bartending or physical training. If they're more ambitious, they might get into real estate.

It's pretty likely that he realized that he had hit an existential wall--he either alienated Thiel by going to the press or went to the press after Thiel dumped him w/o it having the salutory effect he was expecting. He must have realized that the gravy train was at an end and he lacked options. Suicide often means that someone no longer sees any options.

by Anonymousreply 453April 16, 2023 1:42 PM

35 and hot is not over the hill, especially when there are wealthy men in their 70s and 80s looking for companion. Besides not everyone wants a 21 year old because they tend to be too immature. A 35 year old is perfect because they’re more grown up, yet they still look good.

by Anonymousreply 454April 16, 2023 2:00 PM

R453- Your post reminded me that apparently was trying to become a firefighter, I believe. It makes you wonder what he was thinking showing up at that party. Surly he knew better but it seems he thought he had a chance to replace the husband maybe.

by Anonymousreply 455April 16, 2023 2:23 PM

He was training to be a firefighter/EMT

by Anonymousreply 456April 16, 2023 7:53 PM

And a skydiver R456

by Anonymousreply 457April 16, 2023 10:32 PM

He shoulda gone doctor school.

by Anonymousreply 458April 16, 2023 11:22 PM

He could have become a politician. A highschool diploma or GED doesn't seem to be required now.

by Anonymousreply 459April 17, 2023 12:13 AM

Jeff actually has a college degree. Unlike George Santos and Lauren Boebert

by Anonymousreply 460April 17, 2023 12:29 AM

Well, HAD a college degree

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by Anonymousreply 462April 17, 2023 12:34 AM

r461, great minds think alike.

Buy me a Coke.

by Anonymousreply 463April 17, 2023 12:35 AM

I wonder if Thiel and his husband are still together,

by Anonymousreply 464April 17, 2023 12:41 AM

R461, will you buy me some coke, too?!

by Anonymousreply 465April 17, 2023 12:47 AM

R464, I assume Thiel's hubby knows that he's a player, they've been together a long time (Gawker/Valleywag reported that they were an item back in 2008). Maybe he just stays for the money. And the job (he works for Thiel)

by Anonymousreply 466April 17, 2023 1:09 AM

Thiel probably owns his hubby figuratively and literally. A truly independent guy wouldn't work for his husband.

by Anonymousreply 467April 17, 2023 1:50 PM

Forever 35

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by Anonymousreply 468April 17, 2023 3:24 PM

Jeff would've died sooner if he knew it would get him this much attention.

by Anonymousreply 469April 17, 2023 3:25 PM

Attention! Attention must be paid!

by Anonymousreply 470April 17, 2023 3:29 PM

Jeff shot by another DL Fave, model/photographer Justin Clynes

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by Anonymousreply 471April 17, 2023 3:41 PM

Wait, he was shot?

I thought he was practicing his swan dives and it didn’t go well.

by Anonymousreply 472April 17, 2023 3:48 PM

All the WeHo and Miami gays should launch a sex boycott against Thiel.

by Anonymousreply 473April 17, 2023 7:10 PM

I would love to know what the gossip is his former little circle.

by Anonymousreply 474April 18, 2023 1:06 PM

Did Thiel pay off Jeff's family?

by Anonymousreply 475April 18, 2023 6:14 PM

Jeff and his momma

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by Anonymousreply 476April 20, 2023 8:33 AM

What is it about family assgrabbing videos that breaks your heart? The sheer insipidness of it, or something else…

by Anonymousreply 477April 20, 2023 2:38 PM

Passionate with ex bf Richard: Jeff was on the left

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by Anonymousreply 478April 20, 2023 3:09 PM

The viking-gladiator get-ups are tacky as fuck. On the bright side, with their money, they were able to purchase quality, many grades above Party City. And with their bodies, WOOF.

by Anonymousreply 479April 20, 2023 4:32 PM

They were on sale at the Circuit of Queens outlet store

by Anonymousreply 480April 20, 2023 4:52 PM

They look like they could do a remake of The 300

by Anonymousreply 481April 20, 2023 8:20 PM

This article said that Thomas's death investigation was supposed to take a couple months. It's going on four months now...

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