OutWit, OutPlay, OutLast: Official Survivor Season 44 Thread

Who are the gays, besides Yam Yam and dad Michael?

Here’s a list. Apparently the little twink is setting hearts flutter. He is a real cutie.

I think Yam Yam, from what I saw tonight, is going to be a real funny character.

Every season I ask myself why I'm watching this show again - it's the same old routine. At this point I just pay attention when they do the challenges. All the babbling gets tuned out.

The thing that always annoys me is that the contestants always use the flimsiest excuses to target someone for elimination... the go-to is the tired "I can't trust them!". They get outraged to find out that someone is seeking the hidden Immunity Idol early in the show - happens every season in the first episode, someone gets the side-eye if they wander off and someone else starts the badmouthing that that one is probably out looking for an idol. How dare they! Of course you have to look for it ASAP, before someone else finds it. Like tonight, everyone hopped on Brandon because he found that birdcage in the forest. The players have so little ammunition to use on a virtual stranger, that trust becomes "something" as a motivation - it's better than nothing. It irks me every time.

The NASA kid is quite a cutie. So innocent. I'm glad that he's not the one in the reported showmance.

Last night's episode was a bloodbath. I have to say that Probst's preening during the medical interventions is sickening. The guy is passing out and profusely bleeding, and Probst can't stop promoting the Survivor experience like he's revealing a home renovation on Property Brothers.

Carolyn is a character.

I’m SHOCKED the guy in the showmance is straight. Or at least involved in an opposite sex showmance. This could be Chrisley-level cringe

So is the young virgin a homo or not?

Please let the firefighter be gay.

Did this season set a record for the most people injured in the first three days?? wow

I loved it when the gay guy fell. The two young people just watch. "That looked like it hurt. You think he is okay?" LOL...No one go help him or anything.

So who exactly are the gay characters? In list form, please

[quote]At this point I just pay attention when they do the challenges. All the babbling gets tuned out.

That’s funny, I tune out the challenges, which are basically the same season after season, and pay attention to everything else.

Yamil “Yam Yam” Arocho, 36: A salon owner from San Juan, Puerto Rico (he’s the first contestant from a U.S. territory), Arocho names going to the beach with his husband as a favorite hobby.

Matthew Grinstead-Mayle, 43: A barbershop owner from Columbus, OH, Grinstead-Mayle says his proudest accomplishment is the family he’s built with his husband and son.

Frannie Marin, 23: A research coordinator now living in Cambridge, MA, Marin is proud to be a queer woman working in STEM.

Claire Rafson, 25: A Midwest-born tech investor currently located in Brooklyn, NY, Rafson is a self-proclaimed “queer Black Jew.”

Josh Wilder, 34: A gay surgical podiatrist in Atlanta, GA, Wilder is already a survivor, having beat cancer at a young age.

Carolyn Wiger, 35: A Hugo, MN based drug counselor who has had her own journey with addiction, Wiger is proudly pansexual.

R13, well done!

Thank you, R13!

I wish the show hadn't gotten the point where people suffer so much during the challenges. It's one thing to push people. It's another to torture them. That's not fun to watch. The idiot who fell off the rock he was climbing-that was his own stupidity.

I love the little NASA nerdling so far. I hope he doesn't do anything to change my mind about that. Carolyn is a fucking nutcase.

Isn’t Frankie already in a flirtation with a man on the show. How queer is she?

Frannie ….

So, three gay men and three straight women pretending to not be straight (queer, queer, pansexual) to make themselves feel special. Not a lesbian in sight.

Carolyn still seems likes she's on drugs. I like the "crazy older lady" archetype on the show, but she seems like she's really going to be over-the-top crazy. And they've really highlighted it. She probably goes early.

It's too bad what happend to Bruce he was a good looking guy. He and Danny (the fireman) are the two hottest guys for me this season. Caeson is cute, but too nerdy and seems asexual. He might just be the biggest gamebot yet.

I like Matt, but he's made some very questionable moves so far. He looks like he has a big dick though.

Yam Yam is obviously going to be the standout player this season.

Not looking forward to the 'showmance'. Ugh.

That first tribal was a mess.

If I were on the cast I would be huddled up to that nyc fireman 24/7. "Come on it's an island, let me blow you."

Carolyn = meh

Mama likey

I think there will be a lot of crotch blurring on the guys this season.

Is firefighter Danny a gay?

As with last few seasons, unappealing cast, too many advantages, etc. Back to AU for me

R24 god I hope so but not listed an an lgbt cast member.

Oh Lord, here comes R25 again, like the first robin of Spring and the falling of leaves in the Fall, to point out to us all, yet again, how superior the Australian version of this show is.

Thanks, duly noted. Now go get on that thread.

I'm loving Yam Yam so far.

Yam yam sure eats his share of yams. He’s a fatso.

[quote]Yam yam sure eats his share of yams. He’s a fatso.

Fag Fag.

R10 is right. The two that witnessed that fall might as well have shrugged and looked around like they were going to leave him for dead. I would’ve be surprised if they’d searched his lifeless corpse for an immunity idol.

*wouldn’t have

Pretty brutal premiere episode. No one stands out yet, but I'm also shocked the guy in the supposed showmance is straight.

My fatigue with this show is getting harder to ignore in recent years. It's also gotten worse since it came back from the pandemic hiatus. The shorter season doesn't work, and cramming a new twist in every episode is annoying. The show also seems to cast people based on what diversity checklist boxes they tick off rather than whether they are good or interesting players.

I really hate the shorter season. Is there any chance it'll switch back, or has it been said that it's permanent?

R34, I think with covid production protocols in place, it stays this way unless something changes..

Between the shorter season and always using the same location, it’s gotten terribly static. Is there anything new, ever? A sudden “new twist”, especially created to keep Jeff’s favorite in the game, doesn’t count!

All the idols and advantages have made the show more about finding things than outwitting and outplaying anyone

The show has been in Fiji for so long that you forget there were seasons in the jungles of Cambodia and Guatemala. The different locations really helped give each season a different vibe. Now even I know the geography of this island they keep returning too. (I’m sure Survivor can’t be good for the island’s environment, but there are so many islands in Fiji- couldn’t they move every once in a while?)

I didn’t understand any of the strategy with that tribal. Matt was told on the sit out bench about what happened at the other tribe, making it clear Lauren was A) lying and B) probably had an advantage. Yet no one seemed to care about this?

Jaime was a paranoid wreck to use her shot in the dark when no one was even remotely targeting her and Matt used his because? Brandon really needed his vote. I thought they were buddies. Lauren is now completely exposed because she played her blank vote way too soon to activate her advantage when she should have laid low for a week or two.

Only Brandon was smart to sense what was happening. He lost his idol, but stayed in the game. Now no one on that tribe could possibly trust anyone. What a mess!

At the lone tribal council, why did Jeff announce that Maddy was the "2nd" player voted out?

I don't like how, in every season premiere, Jeff, an executive producer no less, goes through the pretense of singling out a few contestants & ask them their names. And then, when they immediately thereafter enter into the initial challenge, Jeff dispenses with the charade, identifying each by name in his PBP.

[quote]I really hate the shorter season. Is there any chance it'll switch back, or has it been said that it's permanent?

Probst has said that it's permanent.

That's just one of the reasons some of us think that Australian Survivor is superior, R27. Their current season (#10) started with 24 castaways divided into 2 tribes and lasts 47 days. They still have 3-day cycles between tribal councils and regular reward challenges, too. The Aussies also haven't gone apeshit with multiple twists and advantages, so it plays more like old-time Survivor. On top of all that, the guys are hotter.

R39 I think he said second person to leave the game or second person out. He was referring to Bruce, the guy who was medevaced earlier with the head injury being the first to leave.

No, R42, he most definitely said “voted out.”

Does Jeff still fuck production assistants in the tents?

I’m currently watching Australian Survivor HvV

Wait, Matt isn’t gay? He’s fey as fuck, & gives me ‘70s pornstar vibes.

When I saw the notice about the guy who died, Keith Sayres, I first wondered if that was the guy who had to leave the show.

I thought Jaime and Matt used their shots-in-the-dark so as to avoid having to write Brandon's name down (an ally), and also to clue him in that something hinky was going on during that vote.

r45 Separate thread here

Does Jeff still fuck guys? - I hate that as well. "lady in the hat what is your name?" "guy with the excessively large bulge, what is your name?"

If the 26-day season is here for good, is there any hope for a return of the live reunion? I like to see more of the cast than just the final three & the jury. I like to see them all interact after watching the season. And I like to see them all cleaned-up.

I agree with R51. I do think it's unfair to make the finalists sit through the finale unshowered and starving. If they continue to have the finale on the island, maybe give them an hour to clean up a little like the jury has.

I really liked watching each Survivor's Ponderosa video.

Why aren't they doing Ponderosa videos anymore?

Because they were too ponderousa!

Carolyn is Dee Snider in drag, right?

Matt is a big fucking gay - JFC!

Three gay guys and three “queer” women. 🙄

I need big dykes like Twila and Shambo. Not a “queer black jew.”

Carolyn has to be one of the biggest Wack jobs ever on the show. She had to share that her son swallowed his tooth after he lost it and she looked through his poop (numerous times apparently) until she found it in his poop. You know her kids are embarrassed by her often.

Matt is so homely and looks like he smells.

Isn't Carolyn a therapist of something? Thanks Mom!

R60, I’m most states the requirement for becoming a “therapist” is getting business cards printed up.

Unlike people that advise you on the law (lawyers),or people that advise you on buying a house (realtors), or people that advise you on your hair (cosmetologists), anyone that wants to advise you on your road to sobriety (like AA) is allowed to do it and charge whatever you’re willing to pay.

Regardless, Carson lived to fight another day. He started playing both sides MUCH earlier than most. I can’t imagine the decision, so out of the norm, to do so wasn’t based on his statistical analysis of the games heretofore.

I think Carolyn was labeled a drug counselor or something similar. She's likely just a former addict who is now a nutjob peer counselor.

I figured out that Carolyn reminds me of porn star Sharon Kane. Any chance it could be her?

Warning: titties ahead

Was Matt bragging about having a big, long rod?

R46, Soka Matt is not gay. He's just from San Francisco. That's how they are up there.

These contestants are exhausting that they get mad when they find out the idol was taken and no one comes right out and says "It's me!". They turn this into a witch hunt and automatically brand the person who has the idol as a traitor not to be trusted. They turn into a mean girl clique and get salty when the idol holder doesn't outright confess. This routine has been going on for 20+ years and I was sick of it years ago.

I find it annoying that no one sees how hypocritical this attitude makes them.

What the hell was Carolyn like when she was ON drugs?

Firefighter be gayin’.

Carolyn is joining the Hagress Hall of Fame with Debbie and Wanda Shirk.

The firefighter is hot.

R69, I can't believe Carolyn is only 35.💀

Carson is one adorable twunk.

Yes he is. I’d love to bang his big…theory

R72, R73, you bitches are going to have to fight Yam Yam over Carson. And I dunno, that big 'ol queen has long nails.

This season is so much better than the last 2 or 3. Way more interesting and wacky contestants.

Carson is frighteningly duplicitous. He’s a real Tom Ripley.

Carolyn's incessant chatter reminds me of the winner Maryanne from a couple of seasons ago. JUST STOP TALKING FOR A MINUTE!

Are Carolyn's emotional spasms really that uncontrollable?? She's like an anxious chihuahua.

Carolyn’s son must be proud of her.

Carolyn: “I don’t fit in”.

Gee, I wonder why . . .

I felt sorry for the contestant who was removed. He did not look well, and a terrible headache is a frightening symptom. Maybe they’ll bring him back for another survivor series.

No, Helen, you weren’t the 3rd person “voted out.”

R80, Bruce has been invited to come back and play on another season. I'd find the link if not busy atm.

R82, that’s great. Thanks for the news.

Yes, next time he hopes to last an entire episode.

Wait, Carson ISN’T gay? I’m seriously astounded. That dude checks all the boxes.

Carson’s a virgin. He doesn’t know what he likes yet.

You mean he doesn’t yet know how MUCH he’ll like it…

The hair, the legs…Carson is really yummy.

One of our queer folks is gone

LOL Claire was useless. Not doing any challenges was beyond stupid on her part.

The firefighter pings my gaydar

No, Jeff, Claire was not the 4th person voted out.

Is Claire a lezzy?

Danny seems gay. Carson seems super gay. He was practically Edina from Ab Fab running back and forth trying to complete that challenge, wrists a floppin’.

I took a screenshot of R13 and I refer to it while I’m watching to remind me who is gay. I was surprised to see that Danny and Carson were not on the list lol.

Danny is very hot but straight. He lacks basic self awareness of how he’s coming across at times, which is not something you will usually find with a jacked muscle gay, especially one with a height issue. This is a straight guy who has been encouraged his whole life and has total confidence. A lot of wishful thinking in this thread but R94 made me laugh with his Carson as Edina visual.

They should have a cast that is all gay one day.

Danny has ADHD, I think.

r97 Survivor: Masc Vs Fem

[quote]They should have a cast that is all gay one day.

Then we might get a showmance that's actually worth watching.

Knowing this show, R100, it will be between a bio woman and a trans woman, it will be called peak lesbian representation, and highly celebrated because it takes the ick factor out of actual same sex relationships, like when that Ricard tried to masquerade himself and his pregnant wife as a MM relationship.

Carolyn is a rehab counselor which means she was a junkie or drunkie. That job is perfect for former users.

All these forgettable young chicks of various ethnicities leaving first.

Another boring season. I met Jeff Probst (before Survivor). Total A-WHOLE even before Burnett.

I like Carolyn because her crazy is somewhat interesting. Unlike the fem boy who pretended to be interested in a WOMAN from his tribe a couple of weeks ago. A few scraps of semi attractive guys but barely.

Josh has more abs than I've ever seen on a human being.

NASA boy seems queeny but maybe it's a generational thing. Or a closet Christian thing; I noticed the giant cross on his neck during one of his testimonials

Carolyn is a complete whack job but I'm starting to love her. She won't make it too far but she's great TV for now.

I'm liking Carolyn more than I did at the beginning of the season.

[quote]I'm liking Carolyn more than I did at the beginning of the season.

She's a fan favorite! So EW says, anyway. I like her, too.

That was an anti-climatic ending to the episode. They spent all time with Carolyn setting up the X with the red sticks and then planting the fake idol in the log. Then Sarah finds it and the wheels are set in motion for her to get egg on her face when she tries to save herself at tribal.

All this set up is for not as Sarah doesn’t even attempt to use her (fake) idol! When ever got the payoff to the storyline.

Am I the only one who noticed that Carolyn gave away the wrong idol? She got the idol in the cage but it said the one necklace was worthless and she held it up saying it was the idol and the beads were worthless. Did she give away an immunity Idol thinking it was the worthless one?

I went hmmm when it happened. Need to rewatch the show Carolyn found the key, and compare.

I wish Sarah had played her real/fake idol, that would have been interesting. If spastic Carolyn has the fake one, a new key will appear around the group.

My friend said the same thing as r110 but I was remembering when the guy on the other tribe found the key and held up a string of beads saying they were worthless and do whatever you want with them and I thought that’s what Carolyn hid. But maybe they spent all that time showing the setup with no payoff because Carolyn did hide the actual idol and it will come back to bite her when she tries to use the one she kept

Maybe Sarah didn’t play it because she thought she was safe

I believe that the fake idol was the sting of beads that they’ve shown a couple of times. I don’t honestly don’t believe that Carolyn gave away the real idol.

According to this interview it was the fake idol that Sarah went home with

I thought it was funny in Sarah’s exit interview over the credits when she was saying, “Now I join that hallowed group of people who go home with an idol in their pocket!” I thought, “Joke’s still on you, bitch!” lol

So I swear when the hot fireman got it it said this was the real idol and this metal necklace was just a trinket, Maybe they reversed it for Carolyn?

The real and fake idols were different for each tribe. I assume they're hoping that this will create some interesting future play.

I was so hoping to see Carolyn and Yam Yam vote off Josh tonight.

Another gay player bites the dust.

What’s wrong with Josh, why do you want him voted out?

Carson = hot evil bottom with a tight hole

Carolyn is HILARIOUS. Carolyn for the win.

Carolyn showed last night that she can be pretty observant. Since they'll be merging next week, she'll probably be safe for a while since several others will probably be seen as bigger threats and no one seems to suspect she has an immunity idol.

I love Carolyn. "I am watching these two bro out and they act like I am not even here." If I was Carolyn I would have just said "do you want me to leave so you can fuck?"

Hot fireman was obnoxious AF last night

Carolyn was SO funny the way she didn’t let the meat puppets get away with ignoring her. I hope they don’t use it against her.

Because the same tribe keeps losing, I don’t know the other two tribes. I occasionally see someone and think, who’s that?

It seemed like all three tribes zoomed through the obstacle course. They literally advanced to the the final stage at the same time. They could have skipped it all.

Brandon and Danny were getting pretty close to making out right in front of Carolyn for a moment there...

I just want to run my hands through Carson’s luscious locks as I’m fucking the shit out of him cowboy style.

Does Danny roll around in bed the way he lunges through those challenges?

r128 it happens every season, There is a loser tribe. It's obvious they set it up that way. You can always see two tribes get big strong guys and athletic women and then one tribe of randoms who fail all the time. If that were me on that tribe I would just show up to a challenge and say "Jeff, you guys stacked it so we can't win so let's save everyone the time and we will just sit out," and see what happens. This bullshit about all the tasks are designed to challenge everyone, is bullshit. Last season one tribe had a fucking aquaman clone. He carried the whole tribe, literally, every time.

Were they the same tribe that lost a guy the first 24 hours? He was big and strong, and might have carried helped carry the tribe. I can’t remember, though, maybe I’ll look it up later. The challenges no longer vary, and it’s tedious. Whatever happened to swallowing gross stuff, haha.

Aquaman was two seasons ago, and yeah, he was a beast.

Who was the Aquaman clone?

any screen caps of Brandon's LARGE penis?

r134 this guy

r133 I swear they had to stop the eating challenges because someone got a bad parasite from it.

I never remember these people once the season is over. This season I can’t even remember them week to week.

Carolyn must be thrilled with the edit she’s getting.

Yam Yam outing Josh's bootleg idol was hilarious.

^That was hilarious. I love that bitchy queen!

This season is so boring and uneventful, I use it as background noise and I can still follow it as if I was giving it my undivided attention.

The cost cutting after the pandemic is ruining the show. The challenges are all the same and the shorter season doesn't give the players enough time to build deep relationships with each other, so they're way more conservative in their strategies.

"can I see the idol?" "here" "these are the beads from tree mail. It's falling apart."laughter. "That is so fake..." LOL That was funny.

So pulling for a Carolyn win.

I'm cheering for Carolyn as well, along with Young Leonard Hofstadter (Carson).

[quote] Young Leonard Hofstadter (Carson).

He reminds me of another Carson (Boatman), who plays Johnny Di Mera on DOOL.

I'm hoping Yam Yam or Carolyn wins just for the WTFness.

CAROLYN

I never watched the show, but I when I went up to Kansas to help my parents take care of my grandma who we all thought was dying and started her on hospice but it just turned out to be covid (she's fine now, thanks), they had me watch it with them. I was Team Carolyn from the start.

That young guy thinks he's smarter than the others and that will be his end.

I wonder if Matt was prompted by production to climb that rock for that money-shot? I mean, they just happened to have a drone and different cameramen ready from all angles...

"could you fall again? we didn't get that"

He just mentioned his great family. Don Jr. and Eric are there, Ivanka and Barron aren’t but got a mention. Tiffany, of course, gets no mention whatsoever.

Trump is on Survivor? Fuck I missed that.

Could you imagine if he got voted off? Sheesh!

^^Trump on Survivor would be fucking hilarious. Big ole saggy man titties and huge gut broiling in the sun!

Orange fat man in a swimsuit? GAG. Not even Aquaman Jonathan could haul Trump around.

[quote] That young guy thinks he's smarter than the others and that will be his end.

I don't think HE thinks he's smarter than everyone else despite being highly academic. In fact though, he IS smarter than everyone else. His downfall will be being naive.

Carolyn’s pussy stinks!

I would really like to see a cleaned-up Carolyn. One of the benefits of the now-obsolete live reunion shows.

"Jeff I am the best at these challenges, in fact, I have already done it before anyone got here. I only think it is fair I sit out so the others have a chance. By the way, your commentary is fabulous You are doing a terrific job, just terrific, When are we going to vote out some of these fat chicks huh? There are few hot women so we should keep them around. The men? I don't look at men I am very very heterosexual. Do you see the quality of the pussy I get Jeff? Look at Melania. She is a supermodel, barely speaks a word of english and worships me. Am I right Yum YUm? You know what I am talking about huh?"

Why not Donald Trump on Survivor?! It is a Mark Burnett production.

[quote]Why not Donald Trump on Survivor?!

Would he be able to wear his Depends on the island?

What drugs was Carolyn on? Krokodil?

R149, I meant if maybe production suggested to Matt that he should go up and climb that craggly rock? Production has been known to suggest such things to contestants for certain shots that they want.

Matt seemed upset, IMO. The whole editing of that scene felt weird, like they were leaving a lot out.

YAY, Carson! 3D printing those puzzles paid off!

Of course, the fact that he single-handedly won the group challenge just before individual immunity comes into play sets him out as a clear and present danger.

By all that is holy I loathe Matt and Frannie. So fucking smug and obnoxious. Also not sure why these morons wouldn't take this opportunity to get rid of a physical threat instead of fretting over whether Josh (who has zero allies) may or may not have an idol.

R164 Me too. Matt's voice and face is annoying too. Hopefully both get voted out soon. Jaime annoys me also.

Rooting for Carolyn at this point. She's certainly getting an interesting edit and lots of screen time. But she's gives them a lot to work with.

I was so relieved that Josh was voted out. I'm not ready for Yam Yam to leave yet. Carolyn seemed stumped by the vote. And then we see that she voted for Kane (sp.?), so it looks like she was left out of the vote. She's not going to be happy about that.

Why did Yam Yam's hair look perfectly styled when he was in the jungle talking to Josh? It looked like it had product in it!

I'm not sure why they voted Josh out. If I remember correctly, when the castaways first met, Josh told them he was one thing but then said he was something else. Carolyn seemed to remember this and that's one of the reasons she said she didn't trust him.

Obviously, the survivors have access to shampoo and other hair products. My hair would be an unmanageable grease pit after two days on the island.

On the episode two weeks ago (the last tribal council), Josh told Carolyn that he would play his immunity idol for her. But then when it came time to play the idol, he played it for himself.

"Jeff, the tribal council vote was rigged. I won the vote by the likes of which have never seen before. Other tribe members cheated, and the rigged vote was able to get by Jeff's poor math skills. I will not leave the island until I feel like it. Fellow tribe members, I ask you to meet me at a rally tomorrow in front of the producers' hut."

Josh mentioned needing steady hands, then later said he was a physical therapist, so they figured out he was lying about something.

It’s good to see so many gay players even if some have already left the game.

Yam Yam’s beard looked great too! 🍠 🍠 🧔🏽

Wow, our little Carson was sure queening it up a few times last night!

R174, he was. My partner commented on it.

R175, I didn't necessarily think he was gay before. But I do now!

The giddy way he was flapping his hands in the one interview....definitely gave me queeny vibes.

r168 no they don't get soap or shampoo, toothpaste or mouthwash. They don't get toilet paper or medicine unless it is medically necessary. When they had a trans contestant they were allowed to continue to take their hormones.

I have never believed they don't get shampoo, there's no way their hair can still look even halfway decent after that long without washing.

The women get tampons too. Since they don't use them all, they often used extras for toilet paper. But they're not doing much #2 out there since they aren't eating that much.

I turned away before Matt fell off the rock. Was it really bad?

Carson demolished that puzzle and everyone should be afraid. You in danger, gurl.

They’ve shown that fall many times; how’d you miss it?

The women must get razors. I don’t see any underarm hair.

I didn’t like Josh before he was voted out & liked him even less after his exit interview.

They get nothing.

What are everyone's thoughts on the nerdy Frannie/Matt showmance?

R183 my pervy dad noticed this right after the show began. Not calling you a perv; my dad has priors (but not literally).

I’ll bet the Matt/rock thing was more like he said, “Boy! I would LOVE to climb that rock! I’m a GREAT climber!” And production was like, “Well, hang on, Matt! We’ll get the drone camera over here so we can capture your triumphant ascent (or plunge to the bottom)!”

I doubt they can encourage contestants to do things like that or they’d be in civil court non-stop. Plus, if it went down that way, Matt would’ve been even more glum in his interviews and been like, “I never should’ve listened to you motherfuckers.”

Erm, Carson is going to win. He is without peer on that island. Plus he is a psychotic mastermind (and hungry bottom). I mean, the insert of him practicing the 3D print of that puzzle like, what did he say? 37x? That was chilling stuff. I mean, even his physical transformation - he has a hot little body which could get even hotter. This guy is SO dedicated, ain’t no one going to take him out. They don’t even see him coming. He’ll be in it forever because they’ll be like, “Carson does the puzzles,” or they all feel like he has a personal relationship with them. (I mean, he didn’t just do the puzzles - he REMEMBERS them.)

It’s taken 42 seasons of Survivor but the anti-Christ has finally arrived and his name is Carson. All hail, Carson!

I mean, when he makes it to the final three or two, do you think that jury of Survivor fans isn’t going to be impressed when he says, “I 3D printed all of the puzzles and practiced them 100s of times”? That’s the kind of shit that impresses Survivor juries. Lord know what else he’s done. But he’s already got his entire case to the jury planned out, including the boyish giggles.

Carson got an "I got 'em right where I want 'em" cut this week. That generally precedes a fall.

Does Carson have any strong allies though?

I was impressed that Carolyn was the teammate that reached out and pulled Jaime (??) up. Not the guys already on top of the ramp, stupidly staring down at the shortest player.

They’re all just game pieces for Carson to move around.

Carson underestimates the others.

Matt running up on that rocking was one of the dumbest moves I’ve ever seen.

Carson is starting to resemble a grubby little sewer rat. He needs to rinse off in the ocean more or something.

R197, are you wanting to give him a bubble bath? 🤣

The only thing that disappoints me about Carson is his wearing that cross around his neck. Hopefully he's not a brainwashed religio-nut.

I fast forward any time Frannie and Matt appear. It will be fun when one of them votes the other one out, however.

Oh, Frannie is definitely going to vote Matt out.

Or maybe, plot twist: Matt votes out Frannie first!

Does anyone know if the shomance survived the island?

Does anyone care?

How do you pronounce Yam Yam?

R205 Like Jam Jam.

Why isn’t it Yam Yam?

He’s from Puerto Rico, where they pronounce the double “L” and “y” with a “j” sound. They do this in some other Spanish-speaking countries like Argentina.

Like pollo and quesadilla?

Do any of them take their pants off?

I would take the fireman's pants off, every night.

I think his name is actually pronounced YamYam, but when he introduced himself Jeff heard it as Jam Jam & always says it like that.

I had a Spanish-speaking coworker who went on some long rant about the pronunciation of the letter J, Joto, but all I could hear was the echo of being called pinche joto!

Shouldn’t it be pronounced Ham Ham? J is pronounced with an H sound.

He’s so hot, it should be pronounced Damn Damn.😀😃😄

Half the tribe has the Meet me at McDonalds’s hair tonight.

Mmmmm sweet, sweet Matt & Frannie tears

Danny is looking quite fit.

So glad Matt got voted out. Besides being annoying, he's really unattractive. He resembles a dirty chicken. Hopefully Frannie will be joining him on the jury soon.

I have a feeling Danny will be going sooner than later unless he goes on an immunity run.

Rooting for Carolyn and Yam Yam.

I like the way Danny made a quick squeeze of his junk while talking to the nerdy kid

Jam Jam looks like one of those queens whose going into Fug Porn after the season wraps.

Will Yam Yam cum for Heidi now? Bitch tried to vote him out!

If they were smart, they would target Frannie. She's running that alliance and has shown herself to be a challenge threat.

Danny has a good body but he’s not hot.

The personality negates the body.

I knew within the 1st few minutes of the episode that Matt was getting the exit edit. Was just surprised it didn’t include Frannie voting for him.

Also, Carson will eventually turn Yam Yam into a lamp shade for stepping on his suggestion for the tribe’s name. He had to suppress a volcano of fury when that happened, that only Danny could pound out of him.

Pronouncing YamYam as HamHam would be too on the mark.

That Brandon is one big hanging man

But I'm a bigger hanging man.

R224 I knew when the music at tribal council changed when Matt started emoting, that he would be a goner.

Yam Yam reminds me of Hank Azaria playing Agador in The Birdcage.

I don't think it is fair they did not let the voting people get their bags. He had an idol he would have used it. The nonvoting bitch got to use her advantage.

Aww, Matt grew on me.

For those who care, Matt & Frannie are still an item...

[quote] Throughout the season we got both of you talking about road trips and Ethiopian dinners after the season. We're now almost a year out from you filming. So I have to ask, is the "Frankinship" still sailing strong?

[quote] Oh yeah, the Frankinship is riding the wind! We are sailing full speed. We're still dating. We're still together. We've done the Ethiopian food, we've got road trips coming up. We're going strong.

R230, it was only a fake idol.

Plus it’s “outwit, outlast, outplay” not “here’s your bag you forgot at camp and didn’t think to bring with you.”

I've no idea why I'm still watching Survivor. I fast forward through much of it. Like when Matt was emoting. Any emoting to be honest.

I think they need to revamp the whole thing. They should get rid of Jeff. He's way too old and the plastic surgery is starting to look weird. They could get a couple of former winners to present it. There have been plenty of interesting winners.

They should also go back to the large group and longer series. To be survivor is far more impressive when you've fought off more people and stuck it out for a much longer time.

And they should have 'normal' players who don't have a story to tell or moral to teach. It shouldn't matter if they are gay/black/disabled/confused. Who cares? You just have to be good at the game. And who wants to listen to people go on about themselves anyway?

I'd like the whole thing to be a bit more cut throat but without the blood if you know what I mean.

They also need to ditch the constant stream of idols and advantages.

R235, I think all of these dumb idols and twists are to distract from the fact the show hasn't left Fiji in ages. I mean, Fiji is beautiful, but it was way more fun when the show would go to different countries and incorporate a little local flavor into the challenges.

Yeah, I wish they'd dump them in the Outback again. I also always thought it would be fun to have a season in a cold weather climate. They wouldn't be prancing around in their underwear but it would be fun.

I’m getting tired of all the needs. One or two but this feels like most of the cast. Not really fun to watch.

..n e r d s

[quote]I also always thought it would be fun to have a season in a cold weather climate.

I just started watching OUTLAST on Netflix. 16 people, split into 4 teams, dropped off in the Alaska wilderness for however long they last. The teams have minimal supplies, there aren't standard challenges, and you aren't voted off. Instead, you choose to leave the game by firing a flare gun. With daytime temps in the low 30s and nights even colder, some people have called it quits after only a few days. Also, you also must be part of a team -- no solo survivalists -- so as your team loses members, you can try to recruit from others or attempt to join them. The last team standing wins the million bucks.

It's an interesting variation on SURVIVOR, in that it is actually [bold]about[/bold] survival. Surprisingly, even without tribal councils and immunity idols, there is still a lot of back-stabbing and betrayal going on. One of the teams, in fact, seems to consist solely of sociopaths.

This is the furthest I've made it into a season since season 40. It's OK, but it definitely has lost something and is kind of a shell of what it used to be. It also doesn't help that (please don't shoot me) Australian Survivor just produced one of the best seasons of Survivor in general.

They're staying in Fiji because it's cheaper to have a permanent set up than to have to keep moving it season after season. Since it's budgetary, I wish they would do a season here in the US. They could do something off the coast of North Carolina, I think a Roanoke theme could be fun. Or maybe a western theme along the Rio Grande - imagine tribal council set in a ghost town. They can find ways to keep costs down and keep it fresh and new.

Oh, and bring back the fucking Survivor Auction.

I was sorry to see Matt go, but as I’m rooting for Carolyn I was happy that Yam Yam, her ally, survived.

[quote]This is the furthest I've made it into a season since season 40. It's OK, but it definitely has lost something

It’s much better to wait for the whole season to be over and then binge it in one go. That’s how I watched the last couple of seasons and it’s great. It’s excruciating to watch in real time and have to wait for a week for someone to be voted off.

Remember when they had to eat rats instead of production giving them everything they need?

Fiji has basically given Survivor this island to film on and they receive amazing financial incentives to stay there. Even filming domestically would incur great costs that the show can’t afford. Survivor’s identity has become too entwined with tropical paradise to abandon it now.

The show has been much, much better the past 4 seasons compared to 34-40 (or so). They’ve stopped bringing back Rob and Sandra and the other ten players they’re in love with. The new casting director has stopped casting IG bimbos and the diversity has brought in the “regular” people again. The show has definitely lost the spark from the earlier 10-15 seasons, but after 44 seasons what can one reasonably expect?

I suspect Jeff is going to try to make it to Survivor 50 and then bow out. Just a hunch!

R245, it’s a real shame they abandoned casting really good looking people. Part of the fun of the show was seeing hot people scantily clad. Now it’s just uggos with sob stories.

Sorry, racially diverse* uggos with sob stories.

[quote] The new casting director has stopped casting IG bimbos and the diversity has brought in the “regular” people again.

This is because they no longer recruit mactors from social media who have never heard of the show. All casting is from people who actually submit an application so it’s all superfans now. I kinda wish Big Brother would do this. Too many stupid models who have no idea what the show is about or how to play. Some dumb bitch was asking how the veto works five weeks in.

I thought yam yam was Arab.

I need screenshots of Brandon's pendulous penis.

Will Matt look any better after having a chance to shower and clean up before the next Tribal Council?

I do like that there aren't a barrage of idols being played at tribals. The new advantages add a nice twist.

Fans of Survivor should watch Class of ‘07 on Amazon Prime. They do a tribal council on there to vote off the person they want to kill and eat. “I’ll go tally the votes. The person with the most votes will be… eliminated.”

One girl has the immunity idol so Jeff keeps reading her name and says “does not count”. I don’t think that was fair. They should have eaten her anyway. She was organic as fuck.

R240, because you mentioned it and I'm fascinated by Alaska, I caught the first episode of that show and I'm all in. Do you happen to think any of those men are gay?

Back to Survivor,the green tribe seems in trouble, having two of their own go out back-to-back.

At this point, I'm thinking either Carolyn or Carson wins. Both are getting great edits.

This is the fourth season with the shorter game, but it still feels weird that they're at the jury stage after only two weeks of playing.

r233 they normally don't bring their stuff to challenges because they don't go right to voting. The always go back to camp then the losing tribe goes to tribal. It's not that he didn't bring it, he didn't get a chance to get it.

I don’t think Yam Yam sees himself as Caroline’s ally. He thinks she’s too impulsive.

Where can I watch the live feeds?

This season isn't half bad so far compared to some of the others in the last several years. The truncated seasons still feel rushed but if it was either that or the show being canceled it will work.

I'm just grateful they haven't been doing variations of Redemption Island/Edge of Extinction. It was such bullshit a few years ago when that idiot was out of the game for the the majority of the post merge and then slid back in for the stupid fire making challenge and ended up winning the season.

There are a lot of idols floating around but it seems like the chances of obtaining them now are equitable and they're not just being tossed in front of Jeff's man crushes who are at risk of being voted out like Tony and Ben.

What about Natalie Anderson being the first voted out and almost winning $2 million because she’s friends with Tyson and other alumni?

r257 it's not Big Brother. This was taped last year.

Carson seemed to appear remarkably clean through most of Survivor until he switch tribes, now he looks like PigPen.

Not sure why many of the recent contestants don't spend more time in the water cleaning up. Many of them constantly look dirty and covered in sand. Is there something about the beach where recent seasons have been filmed that makes the ocean not so great?

r262 because they all shit in the ocean. You want to go take a bath and have a foot long turd float by?

^i couldn’t survive a week without a decent bathroom.

Carolyn just wallowed around in the mud and screamed like a crazy person during that challenge.

^best part of the episode^

Carolyn cracks me up. Yam Yam too. I’d love it if they could somehow make it to the end but I’m not holding my breath.

This week’s show didn’t record for me, so I missed it. Happy to see that Carolyn lived to see another day. Who was voted out?

Carolyn during the challenge was pure TV gold. Screaming like a mental patient twisted up in the net and then her itchy cooter from the sidelines as they watched the final four compete in the second half of the challenge. I love that crazy bitch!

Being wrapped up in a net like that would make me scream like a crazy person, too. I bet Carson was secretly hoping the challenge would be over before he had his turn.

And Matt and Frannie gazing lovingly at each other during tribal. Geez.

So who was voted out?!

Brandon

A lot of votes for Frannie but the fireman played his idol on her behalf so none of the votes counted.

Brandon was out with only three votes (although he actually received four votes.). He’s now the second member of the jury.

I thought that was a really good blindside. And I was impressed that Danny used his idol for Frannie. I think there's always a chance that it could backfire on you, when you do this.

I'm sure some of it was editing, but Franny and Matt making goo-goo faces at each other during Tribal Council made me want to punch both of them in their annoying faces.

Does Carolyn have an immunity idol?

^ She does.

I'm thinking Danny is in trouble now. He used his idol on Frannie who almost everyone else wanted out. That means he, Frannie, and the 2 others who voted for Brandon are in the line of fire.

Danny is a moron. Why would you save the one person who has a guaranteed vote on the jury? Also, Frannie's tears after Matt was voted off and then their smug smiles to each other last night were truly vomitous.

Rape me, Brandon.

The editing team LOVES Carolyn.

So Frannie definitely has 1 vote for her on the jury and 1 vote against her.

r276 did she find a second one because the one she got she had to play before the merge, right?

God, I wish crazy ass Carolyn would win this thing. She, Yam Yam, and twink Carson are the only ones making the season watchable.

[quote] Danny is a moron. Why would you save the one person who has a guaranteed vote on the jury?

He's been too fixated on showing Carson the way on that island.

I think Danny is thinking about building his resume, which he did with a big flashy move. He saved an alliance member (showed loyalty) and pulled off a pretty big and shocking blindside. He pulled it off with flair and that plays well when you’re pleading your case.

Carolyn is the smartest of the bunch. She wanted Danny out; he’s a formidable player. But it was close between Kane and a woman whose name escapes me. But no one listened to her. Frannie is proving to be a tough competitor.

Carolyn mentioned she was 13 years sober. Good for her!

Are Carolyn and Carson the only two who haven’t gotten any votes at tribal yet?

I would love them to be the final two.

I just finished watching the latest season of Survivor Australia and it was SO good, despite them bringing back the odious “King” George. Lots of great eye candy, too.

Anyway, back to Original Recipe Survivor.

I'm here for the Carolyn and Yam Yam show.

Carson inspires platonic, avuncular feelings within me. It was hard seeing him shiver and just getting beat up by the elements in general.

Carson looked like someone vomited on his head.

R291, his hygiene is definitely starting to suffer out there.

Carson gets queenier by the minute. Is Yam-Yam rubbing off on him? (Hopefully not literally)

Carson is shook. I guess he never practiced having food poisoning.

Carson is a cutie, and he seems to get more effeminate each episode. Between the cross necklace and the whole never been in a relationship thing, I have no doubt he’s closeted.

the way he looks at some of the guys on the island reminds me of the way Spencer looked at some of the other men back in season 18

R296, Danny looks like he could show Carson the way.

R297 I worry he would break him in half

Spencer was adorable. It was sad how awful the other guys were to him, r296

The moves this season have been interesting, but the people doing them are so dull and/or annoying they feel underwhelming.

Meanwhile, apparently someone named Heidi is on this show.

Is Heidi the older Latina engineering lady? If so, I like her -- she seems to have competence and a good head on her shoulders. Wish they'd give us a little more of her.

I didn’t even realize that Jaime was there until last episode. I was confusing her with someone else - don’t know who - but that shows how much screentime she (and Heidi) are getting.

R302, Lauren, the school teacher who had (has?) the extra vote, is the other anonymous woman not getting too much screen time.

Yeah, some of these women have definitely been under the radar this season.

Carson was cute coming in but his facial hair is gross. I know it’s not his fault and he can’t shave but still - not a good look.

Carolyn is single-handedly saving this season.

Carson being so sweet and innocent has me feeling things

Does Carson even realize that he's gay yet? 🤣

I never understood the pre-show hype for Carson. He's kinda cute but hardly anything to obsess over. I do like his game play, however.

They need to mix up these challenges. Enough with the balancing a ball on a stick.

I would have puked my guts out after spinning like that, though.

God, listening to these dum dums dither about whether to vote Frannie out is excruciating. You vote the immunity threat out as soon as you have the chance. Have these people never watched the show?

At least they got it done.

I think Carson is ready to present hole to Danny.

Of course hardbody Danny captured the lead in the challenge then didn’t even have to brains to stay competitive during the puzzle portion.

Watching Carson accept the immunity necklace was SO chilling because you know he was thinking, “Of course I saw myself winning an immunity challenge, Jeff! But it’s NOT. GOOD. STRATEGY.”

Even the puzzle win, you know he practiced it 1,000x and was like, “I pretend the last piece doesn’t fit and then just make this minor adjustment with these two pieces to make it seem like it’s really taxing me mentally.”

Carson saw himself winning an immunity challenge as much as Kate Winslet saw herself winning an Oscar and don’t you doubt it for a second.

I look forward to the headlines when Carson admits he’s gay. It’ll be interesting to see who his boyfriend is. I suspect it won’t be a fellow nerd, it’ll be more like a Peter Thiel, David Geffen-like pick: someone who would never be attracted to him were it not for that money and/or fame.

Once I saw the puzzle at the end I said, “If Carson gets to the puzzle before Frannie he wins this one.”

So… Carson definitely has a thing for Danny, right?

Well, who else would he have a thing for? The options are pretty limited at this point.

Is Carson trans? I kept staring at his naked chest last night and couldn't figure it out.

He’s not trans, he’s just feminine

Carson is probably one of those first-time twinks who is really cute and sweet, but unfortunately, knows little about, errmm, preparation. Thus, prepare to hold his hand and guide him and be very, very patient. 😂😂

When Carson said he put on thirty pounds for Survivor I was doubtful but this is a remarkable transformation

R324 those 30 pounds did wonders. He looked about 12 before

I liked seeing Carson tied up with that ring in his mouth during the immunity challenge 👀

He betrayed Carolyn by voting for Frannie. Not good.

Too bad we don’t have Ponderosa anymore to witness the reunion of Frannie & Matt.

^puke^

^^ double puke ^^

That 30 lbs. looks to have changed Carson’s life. I doubt he’s a virgin anymore.

Survivor & the Amazing Race have been renewed, with each episode expanded to 90 minutes.

Carolyn has the best instincts in this game

Wow! I’m so happy with that outcome.

I was not originally on the Carolyn fan wagon but she won me over with that move. That’s something the jury will look at and appreciate how she took control of the game.

God, I want Carolyn to win!!!

I really thought Danny would make it a lot further.

Now they’re going to look at getting rid of Carolyn. She better win some challenges.

Carolyn is a fucking hilarious mess.

They hit a goldmine with Carolyn. She's a such a likeable mess that gives with endless amount of stuff to use for the show. You can tell the editors love her. I think she has probably gotten the most screen time of any female contestant. Even more than motormouth Maryanne. And she isn't as scatterbrained as they think she is. She totally seen what they were up to targeting Carson and kept their alliance intact. Even Yam Yam, who is pretty observent, didn't pick up on it.

I think it's between Carolyn and Yam Yam winning. Everyone seems to love Yam Yam. He's going to be very tough to beat if he gets to the end.

I'm surprised how good this season has turned out. The last two seasons I swore were going to be my last. Carolyn saved this show for me so she better win.

Carolyn is the best thing to happen to Survivor in a long time. I hope she win's.

Carolyn is a really attractive woman. I’ll bet she’s stunning when she’s not covered in jungle filth.

Carolyn! My Queen!

Carolyn should be on every season!

I want to see Danny naked.

I hope Carolyn can make it to the end. She’s got a huge target on her now after that idol move, though. The only other acceptable winner is Carson. I guess Yam Yam would be okay, but those other three women are nonentities.

Surely the producers realized what a goldmine she was and did some wrangling to keep her around as long as possible. Kind of like when they obviously tossed “hidden” idols at Tony’s feet a while back.

I love the Carolyn and Danny show at tribal. Reminded me of that hilarious bro lunch/reward she had to sit through earlier in the season.

Danny made me cream my shorts.

Jeff looked like he was about to fuck him while he did his Dinero act.

Why did Jaime and Lauren vote for Heidi? Is that their way of getting rid of Danny without writing his name down?

Carolyn wasted her idol on Carson as a result. Now she is vulnerable. Heidi has an idol.

Are Jaime and Lauren the geniuses here?

They thought that Danny may have had an idol so they split the vote between him and his biggest ally.

I thought Jeff looked annoyed. Hard to tell through all the work. I thought the DeNiro would bing was beyond cringe

Just got around to watching this episode. I’ve been on Team Carolyn, so I was thrilled that she made it through another Tribal Council. I just wish she hadn’t used her idol.

The best episode of the season.

Editing should have cut that awkward DeNiro crap to 3 seconds.

When Carolyn was in the voting booth and was feeling the paper, was she trying to feel the imprint of previous votes in the paper or just trying to spiritually divine what was going on?

r356, yes

I think she was recounting votes on her fingers to make sure she was voting wisely, knowing she was likely to use her idol.

Carolyn looks like she's wearing false eyelashes. They must be weaves. Her teeth also look really bleached. It would be so great if she'd win. Especially after the last couple of duds that won. I hope that teaser of Yam Yam talking about voting her out is just to make us think he's turning on her.

I would like to see a cleaned-up Carolyn, but live reunions now seem off the table.

I'd like Yam Yam to be voted out next. He irritates me.

Have I missed Yam Yam being a strategic genius somewhere along the way?

I don't think Yam Yam has done much strategically. Not compared to some of the others. He's relying too much on his social game; that doesn't get you a win anymore.

[quote]I'd like Yam Yam to be voted out next. He irritates me.

Thanks R361. I thought I was being a bad gay by not liking him and wishing each week that he’d get voted off.

[quote] I would like to see a cleaned-up Carolyn, but live reunions now seem off the table.

Carolyn makes my twat moist!

Deleted scene with Carolyn and Danny.

Oh, dear lord! You must watch this video about Carolyn and her dog. It's hilarious!

I knew as soon as this season started with a random Carolyn confessional (never seen that before) that this season was going to be delightfully clusterfucky.

CBS, give Carolyn her own show!

Put Carolyn on White Lotus!

Oh man I'd love to know the dog's thought bubbles in that video at r368. "Bitch, don't blame me for your diarrhea-sprayed walls."

With Mike White a two-time Survivor alum, R371, that’s not too far-fetched.

Carson is posting thirst traps and some Twitter gays are parched.

For me, Carolyn was a lesson in not believing first impressions. I couldn't stand her in the season premiere, but loved her by episode 3. Now I'm rooting hard for her to win.

My sentiments EXACTLY, r375. In the beginning I was convinced she was on something despite being listed as a drug counselor. She's certainly odd but I quickly grew to love her take-no-bullshit attitude. I REALLY want her to win now.

I'm so glad Carolyn overcame her addiction to opium and krokodil!

I want Carolyn on every “All-Stars” season from now on.

They should hire her to just sit in every conversation and make faces as commentary.

I would actually pay to have her sit in on every presidential debate going forward

Yam Yam rocks. Don't lie -- you know you'd want him to shave your arse.

Our Little Carson keeps getting queenier by the second.

This has been the best season in a long time…did NOT see that happening after the first couple of episodes.

Yam Yam should start by shaving his back.

Danny has a beautiful Black female other half. Get your pingers fixed ladies.

I want Carolyn to anchor the CBS Evening News. I'm not a fan of the disingenuous Norah O'Donnell.

This season has been stronger than the others since the show returned from the pandemic. As always, it comes down to casting. Carolyn was a great casting choice, and her edit suggests she wins -- or at least makes it to the end. Carson was another good choice, although I find him kind of annoying with his constantly mentioning "I prepared for this!"

I didn’t care for Carolyn at first either and assumed she’d be voted off first. Now I want her to win.

I feel like we need to start a new "Post-Survivor Dream Jobs for Carolyn Wiger" thread, as some of the suggestions above are hilariously perfect.

I know someone upthread suggested she join Big Brother, but I'd rather see her on The Amazing Race.

I want Carolyn and Yam Yam to take over Olympic Figure Skating commentary from Jonny Weir and Tara Lipinski. All you need is enthusiasm and bad fashion sense! I love Carolyn. She is a true original.

Carson is annoying. Read his twitter. He's not a pretend nerd. He's a fragile rocket scientist with digestive issues. He's way cuter when he's starving and dirty.

Please, please don't let it be that Carolyn's a MAGAt.

What makes you say/suspect that, R391? She seems pretty liberal to me.

And her dad is senator Chuck Wiger (D).

I can’t imagine given how much she loathe Danny, that Carolyn would be MAGA.

Plus, if she were MAGA, she never would’ve played the idol for Carson or anybody else.

Carson gets the runs all the time. He’s shittin’ as we speak.

Jamie is giving earnest Amy Sedaris at this tribal council.

Carolyn..... requested that Yam Yam.....belch into her nose. I love this season!

Does poor Carson still gave the runs????

Carolyn, bring a drug counselor, has keen insight on manipulative, lying people

I can't believe next week is already the finale!

Also, when did the show start allowing contestants to bring multiple items of clothing with them?

I watched Survivor for many years after it debuted, but then missed a bunch of seasons and only started watching again last year. Used to be, they were only allowed to have whatever clothing they were wearing on day one, but now it seems like they all have multiple items of clothing -- bathing suits, hoodies, shorts, long pants, jackets, etc.

Is that something relatively new or has it been around for a while?

Why was Gay-Gay acting all weird with Carolyn at tribal? She was getting all paranoid thinking she was getting voted off.

I don't get it. Was he being a drama queen for no reason?

[quote] I don't get it. Was he being a drama queen for no reason?

Not exactly. The show demands it of the cast. They want viewers to be nervous about the vote so they stuck a camera in yam's face and asked him if he ever thought he might vote Carolyn off someday and would that be hard and can you squeeze out a few tears just thinking about it please? The glances between him and Carolyn at tribal was a hoax designed to keep us on the edge of our seats.

Though the show was desperately trying to sell the "Yam Yam turns on Carolyn" storyline, I didn't buy it for an instant. Why would he vote off one of the Tika Three, leaving Carson and himself in the minority? Yam Yam is not that stupid.

The editing has been so strong for all 3 of them this season that I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up as the Final 3.

[quote]I don't get it. Was he being a drama queen for no reason?

Also, he had to keep up the ruse (to Jamie and Lauren) that he was voting Carolyn off. Remember, they thought he and Carson would be voting with them.

His pre-vote squirrelliness/answers to Jeff's questions were likely also designed to reassure Jamie that he was voting for Carolyn, so that Jamie wouldn't use the idol they all suspect she has.

Jam Jam burping in Carolyn's face was so gross. Asking for that was nuts.

The last time I was rooting for someone as much as Carolyn was during Outback with Tina Wesson. I know she's not everyone's favorite winner but I had a hunch and knew she'd win. I'm feeling that again with Carolyn. Tina/Colby = Carolyn/Carson.

R392 & R393, I have no reason to think Carolyn’s a MAGAt. I just like he so much that I wouldn’t want to be so disappointed if she were.

Good that Heidi's idol was fleshed-out.

^ flushed-out

When Amber finally had enough kids, and was all stretched out, I turned my hidden immunity idol into a flesh-light.

Just watched. Another good episode in a season of good episodes.

The season just feels legit. Yeah, they all kind of liked each other and diversity is here to stay - but no longer hammered over heads. New ways to deal with idols and advantages. Clear differences in people and play. Some nice tensions in personalities. BIG personalities that manage to be likeable. One old fashioned alliance of underdogs! If Carolyn, Carson or Yam Yam win, I'll be happy. One of them will win if Yam doesn't jump ship. Will he leave Carson and Carolyn to side with Lauren and Heidi? It wouldn't be a bad move for him....

Carolyn is awfully happy on her Instagram account, like super giddy. This makes me suspect that she won. She also posts quotes from people expressing doubt about her game like she’s throwing her win in their faces in advance.

The jury speaks.

[quote]Carolyn is awfully happy on her Instagram account, like super giddy.

I suspect she's always like that.

No, R14. If you look at her posts prior to her Survivor appearance, she’s not.

[quote]Carolyn is awfully happy on her Instagram account, like super giddy. This makes me suspect that she won.

Well, you called that wrong.

WTF was up with Danny and that ridiculous poncho??

Honestly, didn’t see that one coming. Yeah, congrats or whatever but both people in the final three deserved to win more than the winner did, IMO.

Not a single vote for Carolyn.

Of the Tika 3, I would have thought Yam-Yam was the weakest of the group, but apparently something he said convinced even Carson that he deserved it over Carolyn. Maybe she shared that she’s from a wealthy family or something, that can sway opinions sometimes.

I think Yam Yam deserved it, even though I would have loved to see Carolyn win it. Heidi’s Hail Mary at the end didn’t impress me much.

Do they still have fan favorite?

I miss the live reunions and seeing the contestants who didn’t make the merger.

I would have loved for Carolyn to win, but I don’t know that she DESERVED it the most. I think she will go on to something else in the public eye…definitely the breakout tv star of the year.

Have we ever heard a producer speaking to a contestant before?

Jam Jam? Give me a fucking break. Backstabber fat loser. And feminine Matt talking about a GIRLfriend? ugh. Slop.

You can tell Jeff genuinely enjoys this group. That’s not always the case.

Carolyn and Carson were the only ones who didn’t have champagne glasses. They both had tumblers.

If this isn't Lavender I don't know what is. Matt is gayer than Carson and Yam Yam combined.

I’d break Carson right in half!

R427 = I met Jeff Probst once. Total douche. No joke.

How so?

R432 = I have talked about it before. Just trust me. Total Asshole. He also looked haggard to me. My ex and I met him.

I believe Carson is still underage so he couldn’t legally drink. Carolyn is, of course, a recovering addict so wouldn’t be drinking

Carson is hopefully going to find a cute boyfriend after all of this. I would love to see him and Carolyn compete on Amazing Race.

The editing showing Yam Yam helping Carson build a fire on day one should've been a clue that he was going to win.

I loathe Yam Yam with every fiber of my being. I really do. How the fuck did this loser win anything.

R434, I thought about that and checked. He had not yet turned 21 when the finale was filmed but they were in Fiji, where the legal drinking age is 18, so it would have been legal for him to drink.

It makes me think it a religious thing. He conspicuously wore a cross necklace and is from Rome, GA, home of Marjorie Taylor Greene. The religious thing might be a reason why a now college graduate who’s cute as a button has no observable girlfriend, or boyfriend.

My partner guessed Ham-Ham would win because of his composure and on point responses. When he described his lie detector abilities 'look for the twinkle!' it suddenly dawned on the jury that he really was playing and strategizing every single minute, and in a way they respected.

Carolyn's I-was-the weirdo-in-class wasn't enough, goofy isn't going to win it. Turns out she was something of a goat, just one with more personality.

Cleaned-up Carolyn, Carson and Yam Yam...

I wish she'd soften her eye makeup a bit.

I love how they color coordinated their outfits and the background. I’m wondering who got Carson into a linen suit, not what you’d expect from a nerd with ostensibly no fashion sense.

I predict we will see Carolyn and Yam-Yam again. I’m a little skeptical about Carson, in spite of his age, because the producers probably feel embarrassed that he hacked the ALL the puzzles with his 3D printing. I think NASA would be amenable because it’s great advertising for them and he presents well.

Carolyn was terrible in individual challenges (and not great in team ones). I think that counted against her.

Nice to see Carson cleaned up again. What a cutie.

Heidi really blew it with her attitude during FTC. Did she really need to interrupt Yam Yam on the very first question? She lost my respect with that.

Here’s Carson explaining how he used tech to bio-hack gaining 30 POUNDS OF MUSCLE IN 3 MONTHS. Of course it helps he was 2.0 when he did it, but still, very impressive.

Carson's a little bitch. He should have voted for Carolyn. She gave him her idol. She never wanted to write his name down while Ham-I-Am would have betrayed him in a nanosecond. Carolyn was hurt she didn't at least get his vote. I don't blame her and I'm not even a big fan of hers.

I think Carson voted for Yam Yam because he helped him avoid humiliation with fire making. He still lost, but at least he was able to make a fire - he wouldn’t have been able to do that without help.

R447, it is at the end of the day, a cutthroat game and everyone except Dumb Danny thought that Yam-Yam played the best game. Yam-Yam already addressed this argument by pointing out that if Carolyn had have just trusted him she wouldn’t have had to play the idol because Carson didn’t need protecting. Maybe I’m incorrect but that’s what I heard and believe he said at FTC.

R449 Oh, I think Hammy should have won, but one vote to Carolyn wouldn't change that.

How did Yam Yam win this thing? I didn’t see that coming.

Carolyn did well to get to the final but she didn’t have resume to win.

R446, I think it’s 30 lbs. Not 30 lbs. of muscle.

Carson looked like Danny finally had his way with him. Even his lips were swollen.

EW: What about The Amazing Race with Carolyn? Would you do that?

Yam Yam: I will play The Amazing Race with Carolyn any day. Will we be good at it? That's a whole other story.

I think Carolyn is great TV, but I think she would be terrible at Amazing Race.

I agree. The Amazing Race does require some level of athletic ability and stamina to be competitive. I could see Carolyn going on Big Brother, but not AR.

Carson’s Sia interview is the queeniest thing I’ve ever seen.

I love Carolyn, but I am not sure if I want to see her on any other competition shows. I am glad she made it out of this season in good shape,but I’m not sure she could handle another season of something.

R458, I wasn’t so sure he was gay but after that interview he is almost certainly one of us. I get he was excited that she is going to give him $15,000, tax free, but I don’t know any straight guy claims to be Sia’s biggest fan, with Spotify receipts from last year.

Carolyn would be perfect for Big Brother.

I think Frannie and Matt would be great on the amazing race. She reminds me a bit of Becca from season 31.

^Hi Frannie!^

With the heavy crossover of CBS reality shows, I expect some combination of this cast will find its way onto The Amazing Race.

I have no idea how to explain the finale. Heidi and Lauren were totally invisible for most of the season, but somehow both make it to the final five. Then Heidi makes it to the final three, and Yam Yam pulls out a win, with Carolyn getting no votes despite being one of the most visible players.

The editing of this season was a disaster.

Meanwhile, Frannie and Matt are so annoying. Matt seems so gay.

Of the post-pandemic seasons, this felt the most like "old" Survivor. A lot of great moves, but a forgettable cast.

[quote How did Yam Yam win this thing? I didn’t see that coming.

Because he was charismatic and funny, and Survivor is ultimately -- at its core -- a social (popularity) game.

[quote] and Yam Yam pulls out a win, with Carolyn getting no votes despite being one of the most visible players.

Yam Yam was equally as visible as Carolyn though. This season was the Carolyn-and-YamYam Show

Don't confuse the editing for the home audience with the actual experience of being on the island. Carolyn was TV gold, but how "visible" was she really? She was rarely shown interacting with people (aside from Yam Yam and Carson) and seemed to keep to herself a lot. The fact that she was left out of several votes also indicates that she wasn't that close to many others. If neither Carson nor Yam Yam told her what was going down, she was pretty clueless. And, though we might laugh at scenes of Carolyn screaming while hopelessly tangled up in challenges, the other tribe members could hardly be expected to turn around and award a million bucks to that behavior.

Don't get me wrong. I thoroughly enjoyed her and found her to be a breath of fresh air. But I think the final vote probably more accurately reflected the tribe's experience.