Stella Stevens is DEAD TO ME!!!

Sorry to hear. That's 2 sexpots gone in 2 days, after Raquel!

Fun fact: born Estelle Eggleston. (I just went over to see if Wikipedians had posted the death and orgasmed and sure enough...)

"Just panties, what else do I need?"

Connie can finally get some much deserved spotlight

She looks prettiest in the middle picture

Stella Stevens was actually a pretty good actress. RIP Stella.

And she gave birth to the stunningly gorgeous Andrew Stevens.

I was just on Cameo yesterday and noticed that Andrew is on there (and he's one of the cheapest celebs on the site). Condolences to him, I guess.

Don't forget, she was also the ex-mother-in-law of Kate Jackson!

^^^^ notice how Andrew is using a much younger photo vs. reality

I get her mixed up with Connie Stevens.

Andrew sure didn't age well

I first saw her in CLEOPATRA JONES & THE CASINO OF GOLD. I think she played a lesbian, or maybe she was just equal opportunity.

Didn't Andrew direct a Direct to Video movie where his mother had a shower scene?

He's turned into an old lesbian, which happens to all white guys sooner or later.

They heavily styled her like Marilyn. She did that look better than the likes of Carroll Baker.

She aged pretty damn well. I know DL will complain about long hair on an older woman but she looked like a fun art teacher.

She was very good in "The Poseidon Adventure" and the Jerry Lewis "Nutty Professor", among other films. Good actress, very pretty. Rest in peace.

Stella was a cutie in the '60s, but her looks hardened in the '70s.

This ensemble was a little too Barbara Nichols for me.

Such a pretty lady and a good, reliable actress who was always entertaining!

Rest in Peace, Miss Stevens.

Did she also fail Nimrat Haley’s competency test?

Elvis has on more foundation than she does.

Had Jason split from Betty by this time?

Named after your mother, perhaps.

Loved her as Lute-Mae on Flamingo Road.

She did 3 Love Boats, 2 Fantasy Islands, and 1 Murder She Wrote. Guest Star Triple Crown >>> EGOT

What's fun about her having a name that wasn't an actress' name, and switching for something more "starry"?

It seems mean. Especially under the circumstances of a challenging life.

R21 yes, and she also badly failed Nimrat’s 🐀 rigorously cruel continency test!

"Air pockets?!"

Sister George, no!!! RIP

-Coughs-

She was fun, and bubbly and slutty.

For Christ's sake, I know what to do with suppositories. Just get them outta here!

2023 ain’t fucking around.

R34 Seriously. It's only been a month and a half and how many have we already lost?

[quote]He's turned into an old lesbian...

So did his ex-wife Kate Jackson.

So there's two sex kittens from the 60s gone, one to go...

Angie Dickinson, Barbara Eden, and Sophia Loren better sleep with one eye open and watch out for the Grim Reaper this weekend.

Ursula!

MARY!

Tonight's show will feature her mother, actress Connie Stevens. It's always sad to lose a child, folks.

I thought she was sooo sexy in Poseidon Adventure—specifically the dress she was wearing in her room while having an argument with Borgnine.

I bumped into Andrews Stevens late one night in my small hometown at an Arco station. He was gorgeous, charming and polite. This was the 80s. It was such a random thing.

To R12, That is everything I inspired.to be growing up in Philly!!

"Fun, Bubbly, and Slutty".

Stella was signed to a seven year contract with Paramount Pictures in 1959, but things soured when the studio forced her to do "Girls! Girls! Girls!" under threat of suspension. When she lost "Harlow" and "The Carpetbaggers"-- which she claimed were promised to her-- to studio mate Carroll Baker, she hightailed it over to Columbia Pictures, but didn't really fare much better.

R40, same for me. I was behind him at the post office in Studio City. Short, but what an ass on him.

How did she die? I smell something fishy...

Hasn't she had dementia for years?

"Oh, this is crap! We're sinking and nothing's going to keep us from drowning!"

Was Andrew cruising the mens room at the Arco gas station?

Did u Fuck him?

She made poor Shelley look like a manatee

R19, room for one more, Honey!

Stella and Raquel both had love scenes with Jim Brown.

I liked her best as Appassionata Von Climax tooling around in the '56 Imperial Convertible in Li'l Abner.

"What's in it for me?"

Could she sing at all?

I wish it had been Pammy Sue Martin that fell off the ladder in the Poseidon Adventure instead of Stella.

R38 Mary Tyler Moore already died six years ago, so I doubt the Grim Reaper will be looking for her this weekend.

'Hey, Stella!"

She called Shelley Winters a "fatass" in the Poseidon Adventure. That was so mean!

RIP. I haven't heard her name in 30 years. Her once gorgeous son looks like a very old man now.

She also played Gina's mother on Santa Barbara!

Would it kill these ‘celebrities’ to brush their hair and put on a nice shirt for their Cameo greetings?

[quote]Her once gorgeous son looks like a very old man now.

How is that even possible? He's only 67!

Andrew Stevens is very involved in Farrah Fawcett's anal cancer charity. I wonder if he had butt cancer too?

I had a friend who had met her thru a friend (both were huge 'Poseidon Adventure' fans. She had told them to "look her up" if they ever wanted to talk more about her memories from filming it. My friend decided to take her up on the offer, as she'd given them her # and address. By the time he called, a caretaker answered the phone and told him Ms. Stevens was having some memory issues. This was about x10 years ago.

r36 Joan Collins too!

Thankfully, Jackie Collins can rest easy.

Well Andrew may be 67 but her looks 72.

Andrew is 67 and she was only 84 ? She was knocked up at 16 and had him at 17 ? What is this world coming to, I ask you ?

R36, Well, it ain't gonna be me!

Well, Gina Lollobrigida passed recently, too -- so maybe the others are safe for a while -- Gina, Raquel and now Stella.

She died from the vaccine!

I thought she was good in Man-Trap

A tribute to Stella RIP

She played a Nazi in an episode of Wonder Woman where Lynda Carter beats the shit out of her

I like this picture. Chic and coldish.

"I'm going next. So if ol' fatass gets stuck, I won't get stuck behind her!"

before The Poseidon Adventure Stella and Shelley Winters were in 1969s The Mad Room

RIP, Stella. You're wearing just panties with the angels now.

I wonder if Kate Jackson will break her silence on the death of her ex-mother-in-law ? She's a tough one to crack, you know.

....

I didn't know there was discord between Stella and Kate, as this old article (in Spanish) reveals.

Headline: "THE DISCORD INCREASES BETWEEN ANGEL KATE JACKSON AND HER MOTHER-IN-LAW, STELLA STEVENS"

Stella: "No one in his right mind can marry a woman seven years older than him and of a domineering and unbearable character. Andrew realized that he was being played like a puppet and left her. It's for the best."

Kate: "Stella is bitter. She failed a long time ago as a woman and as an actress, and now she wants to take out her frustrations on us."

I assume it loses something in the translation, r79.

[quote]Well, Gina Lollobrigida passed recently,

What did she pass? Her drivers test? A kidney stone?

Awww. That’s a shame. I so loved some of his songs, like Wild World and Peace Train. Ahhh, I can hear them now.

*sigh*

R81 Neither. She passed her mortal life, and is now living in the spiritual world, not the mortal word which is earthbound.

The Mad Room is a long forgotten film but Stella and Shelley are fabulous in it.

My cousin used to work for Andrew Stevens years ago (when he no longer acted, but was a very successful Hollywood producer), and he said Andrew was obsessed with sex and with his mother equally.

[quote] She passed her mortal life, and is now living in the spiritual world,

If she died, she's not "living" anywhere, hon.

[quote]If she died, she's not "living" anywhere, hon.

Where did her energy go, r86?

From the first time I saw it on the BIG screen when it was released, The POSEIDON ADVENTURE had an error that bugged me.....and it had to do with Miss Stella Stevens.

She claims to be wearing only panties and no BRA.

And yet in the scene where she's climbing a ladder - you can see her bra strap under the shirt.

Wow, you saw The Poseidon Adventure in the theatre?

That must’ve looked amazing.

Notice I didn’t do the easy old joke because I’m truly impressed and, frankly, a touch envious.

The price of a large popcorn was also only $1.50 in theaters in 1972.

This is doubly sad because it reminds me that one of my favorite trashy TV shows, Flamingo Road (1981-82) is not available in any format - DVD, streaming or broadcast on junky networks like MeTV. Stella played one of the main characters in a great cast. The eye candy factor was off the charts.

I had a huge crush on John Beck - I still think that in his prime he was one of the hottest men ever - so the show was must see TV for me. There was a scene where Beck was smooching Morgan Fairchild and right there, clear as day on my 19" Zenith and in closeup, he slipped her some tongue. If that was common on TV at the time, then I had somehow missed it until then. It was ... stimulating to see.

Well, guess I'm next now.

This is where I saw Poseidon Adventure...

That harlot tried to steal my Dickie Poo.

R6- GAY BOY extraordinaire

R91- From 1983 to 1986 he appeared on Dallas.

Underrated as an actress, seriously. I always liked her.

Jill St. John, Bob can't save you from this one...

r95 I would love this to be true Andrew Stevens was extremely sexy in his prime! Any DL rumors or dish about him?

IMDb

R96, yes I remember that. Pam's boyfriend after Bobby's "death", IIRC. He was hot there, too.

On Flamingo Road, we also had almost-as-hairy Mark Harmon to enjoy when Beck wasn't on screen. I miss the days when most actors left their chest hair alone, however little or much they had.

Anyway, R89, I saw Poseidon Adventure in the theater, too. I'm sure it did look amazing on the big screen, but it doesn't stand out in that regard because that's where you generally saw splashy (ha ha no pun intended) big-budget movies. What I remember was thinking Gene Hackman was sexy af and also thinking that the ship capsizing looked sort of fake.

I own THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE on Blu-Ray, and I don't think the capsizing of the ship looks fake at all. Lord knows, the movie has its flaws, but that's not one of them.

R102, I believe you. That's what I thought as a 15-year-old sitting in a suburban theater. Maybe today I'd feel completely differently. I haven't seen the movie in years, and even then not on Blu-Ray.

[quote]Maybe today I'd feel completely differently.

I think you’d still feel with your hands.

She was part of the last big cohort of contract players and part of the wave of Marilyn-lite actresses. She could act but not she lacked the looks or grooming to be a "cool blonde", s type that lasted a bit longer than the Marilyns.

Mamie Van Doren, you in danger gurl!!!

She spoke German.

Morgan Fairchild wasn't really good looking, was she. That nose job almost gave her a shark fin in the middle of her face.

Got to meet her at CHILLER, she was a hoot to talk to, very personable and have "The Poseidon Adventure" signed.

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think part of that is make-up, r109. If she had a nose job, they didn't have to remove much.

I really enjoyed her in Courtship of Eddie’s Father - in the arcade she was nervous and asked Glenn Ford if she could “borrow” Ronnie Howard to sit with her while she posed to be painted on a tie. Why do I remember her playing a drum set in that movie? I know her character ends up with Jerry Van Dyke at the end.

Stella looks great here. I hope she tried to jump Mark Harmon's bones.

I presume this is her own singing voice.

They seem to do much of this fight themselves.

I first saw the Poseiden Adventure on a huge drive-in movie screen in a suburb of New Orleans. I had a thing for disaster films at the time, loved the movie and the all star cast, and Stella Stevens was very memorable in it, brassy, sassy and sexy! I was 8 and a mere gayling, but she also reminded me of Barbara Eden, who I like a lot on I Dream of Jeannie...

Stella Steens, Delta Burke, Joan Collins and some men DL probably jerked off to in the 1980s.

Was Carol Lynley a boozehound?

It looks like poor Stella had to do her own make up in this. Her foundation looks like paraffin.

Stella's voice sounds different in the RAGE trailer. Was she dubbed in that movie?

Air pockets?!

I’m REALLY nervous.

Stella plays a mute.

Lois Chiles is quite good in this. And that a statement made often. Michelle seems too contemporary.

*And that's NOT a statement made often

Faye Dunaway = 82 years old.

Jerry Lewis lusted after her during the filming of The Nutty Professor." I wonder what she would have said about him? There was a Vanity Fair about him where one of his co-stars talkeda bout what a slimy sexual predator he was. Jill St. John was questioned but the refused to talk about it,except to say that when she co-starred with him "a good time was not had by all." By the time of the artilce Stella Stevens was suffering from dementia so I guess she was never contacted. But I"m sure she would have had some stories to tell.

Lewis snubbed Stevens for decades after she worked with Dean Martin.

She had a small role in a Sierra Computer game called Phantasmagoria in the mid 90s.

Being snubbed by Jerry Lewis was an honor.

We know what she'll be buried in..

I'm getting fucking nervous.

r133 Maybe it will be somebody most are not expecting so dont worry Angie! Raquel took many by surprise so maybe it will be someone who doesnt get mentioned or thought of much in this regard like Joan Collins,Tuesday Weld or Julie Andrews?

Joan like Raquel gives of a healthy aura of being semi immortal- but of course she isnt.

[quote] Faye Dunaway = 82 years old.

The Devil doesn't want that crazy bitch on his hands. She'll be around for awhile.

Stella Stevens was splendid as a sadistic lesbian Hong Kong crime kingpin in Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold, which is one of the best films EVER.

Awww...this one makes me sad but then I remember she had dementia so realize at least now she's better off.

[quote]How did she die? I smell something fishy...

That's just Cheryl.

[quote] Stella Stevens was splendid as a sadistic lesbian Hong Kong crime kingpin in Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold, which is one of the best films EVER.

WHY have I not seen this masterpiece? And it even features DL heartthrob Norman Fell!

Stevens (Captain) & Dobson (Duchess) were reunited in the sadistic lesbianic "Chained Heat" starring poor Linda Blair.

She sure played a lot of lezzies.

She's with the Reverend Mother now

As Sister George in Where Angel's Go Trouble Follows (1968) a sequel to 1966s The Trouble with Angels

She was AWESOME in Chained Heat as the assistant warden.

Robert Reed once said. "I wouldn't fuck her with your dick."

She was more tartlet than starlet.

I've always read her as a slutty homophobic bitch...I have nothing to base that on, unfair I agree.

[quote]As Sister George in Where Angel's Go Trouble Follows

Oh, dear.

I had to look up to see if Connie Stevens is still alive. How did Carrie and Debbie die and we're left with herz Joely, and the other one?

You're welcome.

Poseidon Adventure was the first movie I went to without my parents -and the first time I went to the theater to see a movie a second time. Only Gene, Eric, and Pamela Sue left. :(

RIP, Stella. Linda Rogo and Sister George were icons for me.

She was quite pretty, smarter than given credit, as well as a terrific actress (The Ballad of Cable Hogue). Her son on the other hand: a cheap hack producer, who idolized Roger Corman for his penny pinching skills. Her son was NOT a nice person. At all.

I know what was on her Ipod...

[quote]r134 it will be someone who doesnt get mentioned or thought of much in this regard like Joan Collins, Tuesday Weld or Julie Andrews?

I don’t want to live in a world without Tuesday Weld! She’s so cool!

[quote] How did she die? I smell something fishy...

She was killed in battle.

How do you THINK she died?

It was the VACCINE!

R154 You better get prepared because I'm going after her.

Playboy used her on the cover of one of their photography collection books. It is a lovely portrait.

R7, he's also one of the smallest.

One of my favorite movies starring an absolutely unhinged Andrew Stevens.

I don’t blame her popping off about Kate Jackson. I wouldn’t want my son to marry her either.

Don't go to sleep, Jill St. John...

My favorite Stella Stevens role was in The Courtship Of Eddie's Father (movie).

She starred in season one of Murder, She Wrote as the wife of the victim. The episode also had William Windom in a pre-Seth Hazlitt role as one of the killers!

[quote] I've always read her as a slutty homophobic bitch...I have nothing to base that on, unfair I agree.

And contrary to the experiences various gay male fans have had with her over the decades. Surely she knew her audience post-Poseidon.

[quote] Only Gene, Eric, and Pamela Sue left.

Whoops, I forgot Hackman was still alive (sort of). Pammy Sue feels relieved.

I call for a moment of DL silence to remember sexy Ernie Orsatti, who dropped through the window in Poseidon.

Stella! Stella! Stellllllllaaaaa!!

I was disappointed that at the end of POSEIDON we didn't get a long shot of the shipwreck in the ocean.....we just got that little bit of it in the FOX tank.

[quote]R35: It's only been a month and a half and how many have we already lost?

I'm so sorry for your loss(es), MARY.

R152 "Her son on the other hand: a cheap hack producer, who idolized Roger Corman for his penny pinching skills. Her son was NOT a nice person. At all." True! Andrew Stevens was unlikeable and had a nasty vibe to him. I wouldn’t want my daughter to marry him! Kate Jackson divorced that money sucking leech and he took her to the cleaners.

How could he take her to the cleaners? They weren't married all that long, were they? Did he blackmail her over Marcia Strassman?

r172 Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!

Kate said in an interview: "I felt as if my ex-husband drove up to my bank account with a Brink’s truck." California divorce laws at the time made it possible.

What are some nasty Andrew Stevens stories?

How much money did he make off Kate?

Andrew's unpublished autobiography of his marriage to Kate Jackson was called "Making Loot"

When the Grim Reaper visits Faye Dunaway, she will survive by yelling "Fuck off you little homosexual boy!" and throw her salad at him. She will be around for a long, long, time.

And what's this blackmail of Kate Jackson and Marcia Strassman ? Were they lesbian lovers ? Do tell...

^^^ If true, this makes the film Making Love more ironic than I ever dreamed.

Stevens was funny as the klutz in The Silencers 1966

R169 Irwin Allen said they were over budget and couldn't afford to build a large scale ship overturned in the ocean, so they took some scrap metal and made a small replica of the bottom of a ship and filmed it on land.

She had nice tits.

I remember Kate Jackson was on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson shortly after she and Andrew Stevens divorced, and he asked her a question about it.

She said, "I won't say anything, because I don't want to offend his fan."

BURN!

Nothing more boring than a stealth Kate Jackson thread.

Unless it's a regular Kate Jackson thread.

R183, There’s more . . .

“After her divorce from Stevens, Jackson said, "I felt as if my ex-husband drove up to my bank account with a Brink's truck."“

That quote was already posted.

It was funnier the first time.

Stella always looked like cheap goods.

I remember an interview with Eric Shea saying he had a huge crush on Stella Stevens and that she was one of the few cast members who would sit and talk to him during breaks in filming.

Whaddya mean cheap!?

R187, At my age, I do not have the time to scroll through long threads.

R190, She wanted some young dick.

R190 I read this as "sit on him during breaks"- did a double take.

R194 Little Eric would've loved that.

Stella Stevens talked about how cheap Irwin Allen was. When he was trying to convince her take the part in The Poseidon Adventure, he took her to lunch at Burger King!

[quote] She had nice tits.

Torpedo tits.

In The Poseidon Adventure, I kind of disliked her, and her yelling - but really I guess it was mostly Ernest Borgnine. What a set of lungs on that guy. Last time I saw it, I figured out the characters were probably based on Wallace Beery and Jean Harlow in 30s movies. The 1st time I saw it, I was around 14 and it was at my home town cinema and I was so wasted, having fallen in with bad companions beforehand. In that state the movie seemed to last for seven hours - but in a good way.

"It's twue, it's twue!"

R198 Stella Stevens was my favorite character in the movie. She was so over that whiney little bitch Carol Lynley and that cow Shelly Winters. She just wanted everybody to shut up so they could get the hell out of there.

R200 How dare you not mention Pamela Sue Martin as Susan!

While those other bitches traipsed around that ship in hot pants, our Stella had the guts and common sense to go for it and just wear panties.

Andrew starred in Murder, She Wrote before his mother, in one of the first episodes to be shot in season one, "Lovers And Other Killers".

He plays a charismatic gigolo type who preys on older women and tries to seduce our Jess!

Did Stella approve of Andrew’s marriage to Kate?

She admits in this interview that she and Andrew experienced “ups and downs” in their relationship over the years.

I used to get Andrew Stevens and Rex Smith confused.

Poor Herman, I mean Andrew! People remember him as Stella Stevens' son and Kate Jackson's ex-husband. Other than that.....

He directed a movie with Denise Richards in it not long ago.

[quote]One of my favorite movies starring an absolutely unhinged Andrew Stevens.

And co-starring an unhinged Morgan Fairchild!

Andrew Stevens auditioned for Star Wars.

Ultimately, he put his acting career on the back burner to produce more than 150 films since 1990 and is president and CEO of Andrew Stevens Entertainment and Stevens Entertainment Group. And Stevens still occasionally tackles an acting role, such as his latest film Pursuit (2022; with John Cusack and William Katt).

He started it with my money!

Produced The Boondock Saints, The Whole Nine Yards, The Pledge, 3000 Miles To Graceland.

[quote]Irwin Allen said they were over budget and couldn't afford to build a large scale ship overturned in the ocean, so they took some scrap metal and made a small replica of the bottom of a ship and filmed it on land.

Did he blow the budget on Sheila's wigs?

Sheila *loved* her wigs!

His movie Night Eyes with Tanya Roberts was racy stuff.

R196, it was Jack in the Box.

R204, see R79.

Disneyland

^oops

Years ago went to see a Poseidon Adventure screening on Queen Mary. Many of the cast in attendance. Stella Stevens was there along with and obnoxious Ernest Borgnine. You could fell her dislike for him. At on point Borgnine was droning on and on and interrupting her and Roddy McDowell. Stella just turned to him and said "Just shut up!" It brought down the house as it was very much in character. Later she was giving out autographs even signed some panties. Terrific broad. RIP My Linda.

She was John Hustons date when he was up for an Oscar in 1964. At 1:09. Does anyone know if they were fucking? He was 32 years older than her. Always thought it was kind of a strange pairing.

Why did voluptuous types get skinny in the '70s? Was it the coke?

That didn't help, r222. Women were also into being too thin. Think MTM and Karen Carpenter.

[quote]R174 Kate said in an interview: "I felt as if my ex-husband drove up to my bank account with a Brink’s truck."

Feelings aren’t facts.

R176 The exact amout is not known. Kate said "it was bye bye to a few zeros“. So it was a huge amount of money that Andy took from her.

R206 Why didn't he keep his first name I wonder LOL. He tried so hard, especially when he ended up doing soft porn. But even with Kate's money he never made it. He will always be the son of and the ex of.

R225, Given Kate’s reputation for being difficult, I’d say Andrew probably earned the money.

Sneaky Andy didn't earn anything! Certainly not Kate's hard earned money. He used her in many ways, he was in the spotlight, met her close friends Farrah, Cher and many others, lived off her money. He was Mr. Kate Jackson. Oh and of course Stella Stevens son.

R221 No young, blonde woman in her right mind would date an ugly man 32 years older than her. Unless of course, he is a famous director who could help her career. Was it worth it?

R228, Lauren Bacall married homely Humphrey Bogart, 25 years her senior.

R227, Kate got several years of hot young dick.

And Andy got one of the biggest and hottest female stars at the time. Kate in her prime. Here at the Emmys 1978. She was nominated twice. He was there because of...his wife.

R231, Oh, please. She was a television actress.

The Charlie’s Angels costume designer said Kate Jackson was really unpleasant and bat shit crazy. Finally he refused to work directly with her.

So she doesn’t sound like she was any prize to be around. Poor Andrew!

So? Television or not. Kate was a household name and at the height of her fame.

Bat shit crazy costume designer, Mr. Miller, said some pretty ugly things about Shelley Hack, too. I'm not going to quote him. Wonder why he behaved that way. The way he talked he seemed to have some major issues.

R234, Nolan Miller was one of the most highly respected fashion designers in the industry.

He worked with and was adored by some of the most famous actresses ever, Bette Davis and Barbara Stanwyck to name just two.

If he spoke negatively about second rate performers like Kate Jackson, then it was merited.

Nolan Miller was a lying sack of [italic]shit!

Color me surprised - Nolan Miller married a woman named Sandra Stream in 1980. It ended in divorce, no children.

(Well, that part’s not surprising.)

Isn't Andrew Stevens like 5'4"? I've always heard he's tiny and he wore the boots with the highest heels he could find on 'Dallas' when he played Casey Denault.

I always thought she was in Playboy so many times because she was a liberated swinger, but she did it to feed her child!

[italic]“I did the best I could with the tools I had and the opportunities given me. I was a divorced mom with a toddler by the time I was 17, and Playboy did as much harm as it helped. But in spite of that rough start, I did okay."[/italic]

The nudies (NUDIES!) later figured in her custody battle with ex-husband Noble Herman Stephens, which is sad.

r239 I guess she misunderstood when someone told her she needed to use her breasts to feed her child.

"Highly respected" fashion designer Nolan Miller on Shelley Hack: 'Two weeks, she turned into the bitch of the century, she could get so nasty and so bitchy to everybody that we all hated her within a month, and then we wanted to get rid of her you know... Like, somebody get rid of this bitch, so she didn’t last long and we were all happy.'

Nolan on Linda Evans: 'Linda is deformed the poor baby…sad… She is a size 12 on top and a 6 on bottom'.

When Aaron Spelling told Nolan about the new show Dynasty: 'Aaron said I have a script for you that is going to make even YOU happy.' (for a while).

For many years Miller lived with Aaron and Candy Spelling in their faux French chateau. But he moved out in 2000 after a disagreement with Ms. Spelling, reportedly over a dress. In an interview with W magazine, he lamented the changes in Hollywood where actresses often wear a designer’s creation for only a night before returning it. “Nobody buys a dress anymore,” he said. “When I started, Crawford would buy three things for the Oscars because she wasn’t sure what she wanted to wear. Stanwyck never borrowed a dress in her life.”

Poor unhappy, uptight, closeted queen felt betrayed by everyone who didn't bow to him and his formidable fashion creations and gowns and kiss his butt. Life's a bitch!

R241 = Bob Mackie

R228 Obviously not. >>>> R239

R239 Straight out of Mildred Pierce!

"I took the only job I could get so you and your sister could eat and have a place to sleep and some clothes on your backs..."

R221 they weren't dating, dating were they?

R241, I believe all of that. I'm shocked he lasted as long as he did living with Candygram and Aaron. Not only is three a crowd (even in Spelling Manor), but I can't imagine Candy is laid back even after some wine and cigarettes. Aaron--by all accounts--was incredibly non-confrontational. Hence when Catherine Oxenberg asked for a raise, he simply fired her. Same with Hunter Tylo when she deigned to get preggers before shooting 'Melrose'. Obviously he paid dearly for that snafu.

ONLY on DL would a dead to me thread turn into a Kate Jackson was a bitch/Nolan Miller gossip/Charlie's Angels rabbit hole.

That's why I love this place!

The thing is: It's not Nolan Miller gossip. It's 'Nolan Miller was a major bitch' thread. He really said these insulting things. Creepy AF to look at, too.

What? He was handsome enough to be an actor.

I want to know what the dress [italic]contretemps [/italic]was, though.

Nolan was speaking the truth, what's so nasty?

Nolan Miller had been Aaron Spelling’s go to designer as far back as the 1960s.

If Nolan had been so difficult, why would Aaron use him exclusively for all of his shows for decades?

Maybe because he was a superbly talented designer?

Hey! This thread is also about ME!!!

Ciao Gays!

Stella did nudies!

Other things, from Wikipedia:

In the 1960s, Stevens was a member of a five-voice vocal ensemble called The Skip-Jacks. The group is best known for performing the theme songs for the television programs The Flintstones and The Patty Duke Show.

Stevens appeared in several stage productions, including a touring production of an all-female version of Neil Simon's The Odd Couple opposite Sandy Dennis. Stevens played the Oscar Madison character. She directed the feature film, The Ranch (1989) and produced and directed The American Heroine (1979). In 1999, she co-wrote a novel, Razzle Dazzle, about a Memphis-born singer named Johnny Gault.

In late 1976, Stevens purchased a ranch in Methow Valley near Carlton, Washington on the eastern edge of the Cascade Mountains.[17] She also opened an art gallery and bakery in the nearby small town of Twisp, Washington.[17]

In 1983, Stevens began a long-term relationship with rock guitarist Bob Kulick. A little over a year later, he moved into Stevens' Beverly Hills home. In March 2016, Kulick and Stevens sold her longtime Beverly Hills home, and she moved to a long-term Alzheimer's care facility in Los Angeles. Kulick often visited her there until his death on May 28, 2020.

A classic

I always wanted to see that one, R256. Is it available anywhere??

Here you go, R257:

Arnold is a terrible name for a movie.

R259 Willard, anyone?

Bad Ronald

“Alfie”

“Rebecca”

“Lenny”

[quote]I took the only job I could get so you and your sister could eat and have a place to sleep and some clothes on your backs...

Only on their backs? How scandalous! 😯

"Mildred Pierce"

I'm truly amazed (and impressed) that Stella was one of the sings for the Patty Duke and Flintstones themes!

Is she singing on this?

^ Why, she sure is!

I've seen the TCM tribute for Raquel a few times, but nothing on Stella (or maybe I just missed it.)

With Eartha Kitt in Synanon (1965)

R271, great clip. I wonder if Eartha and Stella got along and/or were friends.

R271 I didn't realize they made a movie about Synanon.

Synanon made Scientology look tame. The organization finally went bankrupt after multiple lawsuits and criminal investigations.

She was cute as the ditzy girl in movie, The Courtship Of Eddie's Father. I like the scene where she played the drums.

As far as the Broadway & film version of Li’l Abner, Peter Palmer died in 2021. Julie Newmar is still kicking. She was in the Broadway & film version, too. As far as the Broadway version, Tina Louise lives. Stella took over for her role in the film. We all know how Tina feels about revisiting prior roles.

There are a lot of great blog interviews with Stella out there. She was very friendly and accessible to her fans & film fans during the golden age of blogs (circa 2000 to 2010—when lots of independent blogs flourished).

In her early days / late 1950s she had tons of publicity as “the starlet whose son was kidnapped by her husband.” She was the girl from the wrong side of the tracks in a small town in Arkansas and she got knocked up by a local rich guy. This publicity dominated her early days and there are lots of photos out there of teary Stella holding photos of her toddler.

If this doesn’t sound like Mildred Pierce and Andrew doesn’t sound like Veda…

“I was 16 when he was born. And when I went out to Hollywood, I missed him so much. I saw a film in which Frank Sinatra sang "High Hopes" — that inspired me to go back and get my baby from Memphis and bring him to California. But my ex-husband came and stole him from me — charged me with Contempt of Court, and took him back to Memphis, lied to him and said, "Your mother doesn't want you anymore — she's got too many boyfriends in California. We'll give you a motorcycle, a pig, a dog, a bunny, a cat, whatever. We love you, and your mother doesn't."

Q: How old was your son?

He was three. And so, to this day, Andrew is scarred from that. I went back, 13 months later, having paid $25,000 to a lawyer here, and $25,000 to a lawyer in Tennessee, who met me in Arkansas. Because if I would go into Shelby County I would have been thrown in jail for Contempt of Court. Finally when I went to court, the bailiff thought it was a joke to put the Playboy spread under the glass on the judge's desk. I've had a lot of people do mean things to me. The judge allowed me to have my son certain times of the year, and Andrew always went back to Memphis for vacations. When he was 14, he came back from Memphis and said, "I hate you. I hate California. I hate the maid. I hate your friends. I hate my school. I hate everything." I said, "Okay. Tomorrow you get on a plane and you go back to Memphis." I sent him away, because I couldn't deal with it anymore — all the hatred I had all of his life because of those people. I walked around the house like a ghost for three years, crying. I couldn't go into his room. But I finally got over it, you know? You get over anything. I just kept on doing what I was doing.

Q: How did you guys hook up again?

I'm not sure we're "hooked up" now. We speak. We're civil to each other, and we've worked together. We have made peace because of my grandchildren.”

Hard to believe that Stella Stevens and Carroll Baker were up for the same parts. Baker was an established star having worked with John Ford and Elia Kazan. Stevens was a starlet, small star.

Which one of you queens is showing up to Stella's funeral to throw panties on her casket as it's lowered in?

[quote] In 1999, she co-wrote a novel, Razzle Dazzle, about a Memphis-born singer named Johnny Gault.

Who is Johnny Gault?

Stella was actually a very good actress, even if she didn't have the Actors Studio pedigree. Carroll Baker ended up making some crappy movies, too.

She was a whore, darlin'.

r280 Carroll had her awful Italian giallo phase. I believe it was 3 pictures.

[quote] And she gave birth to the stunningly gorgeous Andrew Stevens.

Well, previously stunningly gorgeous maybe. His salad days are long past.

I was molested

I think he looks fine.

[quote]Well, previously stunningly gorgeous maybe. His salad days are long past.

Andrew Stevens is 67. Most people's salad days have long been in the rear-view mirror by then.

A good copy of her 1976 TV movie/failed series pilot "Kiss Me Kill Me" is at the link. Stevens looks good and is the best thing about. The plot seems vaguely inspired by the novel "Looking for Mr. Goodbar," with a lame teacher frequenting dangerous singles bars. Lots of pretty stereotypical gay content. Bruce Boxleitner is a cute hustler, Dabney Coleman is a cute police captain, Ann Sothern's daughter Tisha Sterling is the teacher, Pat O'Brien has a cameo. Watchable because it's so entertainingly bad.

Not Lutie Mae!!!!! Why do they always take the good ones?

R285 - Is that Judi Dench?

Andrew was a rather attractive young man, has always lacked warmth, and his glory days are gone. But look at R283: Andrew's forced smile served him well when he played villains (his preferred type of role). This is when he played a serial killer. He was so good it gave me the creeps. Don't remember the name of the film. Learning about his sad and dysfuntional childhood at R276 is eye-opening. His constant scowl, his hunger for recognition and fame, his dominant nature in relationships, his obsession with sex and with his mother and his hatred. It all makes sense now. It's tragic but at least it's something he can draw from and apply to his work.

My time will come - keep my name out of this thread! Thank you.

Growing up, I always though Carroll Baker was super tacky, because let’s face it, the Harlow look wasn’t her best - plus I loved Carol Lynley and was on “her side” when I read they’d had rival Harlow films.

Then I read her autobiography and it was so personable it all changed. It made really appreciate the weird arc of Baker’s career. Now I adore her. And realize Carol Lynley was just barely an actress.

I first saw Andrew Stevens in a bit part in “Shampoo.” He was the lithe and beautiful young man inviting Jack Warden into the hot tub.

What will Andrew sing at the funeral?

If you were a cute actor in the 70s or early 80s they handed you a microphone and you were suddenly a singer. It didn’t matter if you could carry a tune.

Andrew is wearing pleated lady pants in R294.

Andrew Stevens on Battle of the Network Stars

^ Hard to judge, r297. It looks small, but then so does Sam Jones, so...

Andrew Stevens is an ungrateful little nepo baby. The worst kind!

Ungrateful AND small-dicked!

Andrew had great hair.

Maybe they just got out of the water R298.

That was my point, r302, because we know Sam Jones *isn't* small.

[quote]If you were a cute actor in the 70s or early 80s they handed you a microphone and you were suddenly a singer. It didn’t matter if you could carry a tune.

Honey, it started well before then. Richard Chamberlain, Tab Hunter, Robert Conrad, Hugh O'Brian .... the list is endless.

Dreamy, r304.

This was a decent interview but Skip E. Lowe never shuts up and does too much time jumping. I feel like half of us here would have asked better questions/were more familiar with her career. He just “oohs!” and “aahs!” like a budget Merv Griffin.

Stella brought a sizzle reel of her film & tv cat fights…it starts playing about 17:10 and is very amusing.

Skip E. Lowe was the basis for Jiminy Glick.

R306, Please see R204 and get with the program.

R308 yea, well…my post was better.

I love how Skip cuts her off with his next question before she’s allowed to finish her thought. 😆

Carroll Baker and her theater director husband, Jack Garfein, had Actors Studio pedigree, but for some reason, they sold their souls to the devil (Joseph E. Levine), and rebranded "Carroll Baker" as a va-va-voom sex siren.

^^ Yes. After her strong debut, Baker’s career had kind of gone down the proverbial shitter, without a strong, star image to rely on. Then she eventually did a blonde bombshell part in “The Carpetbaggers,” it was a big hit, and Paramount seized on that persona for her follow up roles. Her unemployed, leech husband thought it was a great idea though I think she was a bit more dubious of it all.

But a deal’s a deal.

Top Billing, Monday; Tuesday, you're touring in stock.

Carroll sings at 7:19

The ironic thing about Carroll Baker as a (n attempted) sex symbol is she barely had any boobs at the best of times! Then under the new contract with Joseph E. Levine she got harried and overworked, stopped eating, and got skinnier and skinnier. She really wasn’t voluptuous enough for that hard sell.

R315 You know Greta Garbo was a sex symbol, back in the late 20s and 30s? Flat chested. Hedy Lamarr wasn't endowed with big boobs, either. You don't need to look like Jayne Mansfield to be a sex symbol. Jane Fonda, Ann-Margret were also sex symbols, they had nice racks but not big.

Baker didn't have a sexy or flirtatious personality. Her Sex Goddess thing was all so forced.

Speaking of sex symbols without big boobs - Lauren Bacall.

[quote]r316 You know Greta Garbo was a sex symbol, back in the late 20s and 30s? Flat chested. Hedy Lamarr wasn't endowed with big boobs, either.

I wouldn’t consider Garbo or Lamarr sex symbols, exactly. They played mysterious, intriguing women, and they did have sex appeal (like most stars do.) But they weren’t specifically symbols of sex.

I think Life magazine called Carroll's version of Harlow - the smallest bust of the year.

The Lynley version must have looked terrible when projected on a big screen. Or is this just a bad kinescope?

(^.^) It was shot in grainy black and white and TV process Electronvision in just eight days. It was released on 14 May 1965 in the US, beating the Carroll Baker-Angela Lansbury Harlow (1965), which was released on 23 June 1965.

Paramount's Harlow is entertaining trash.

Stell--laaa! STEL-LAAAAA!!!

Carroll Baker's actress daughter Blanche unfortunately inherited her dad's looks:

R319 Hedy Lamarr was originally famous for having done a nude scene and simulated an orgasm in the film, Ecstasy. Pretty sure she was a sex symbol.

R319 Here are some I got by Googling:

Former screen sex symbol Hedy Lamarr dies aged 86.

This true story of a Hollywood sex symbol's tumultuous life is “a real page-turner.

Hedy Lamarr: the sex symbol that gave us wifi.

Lamarr, Hedy | Encyclopedia.com: With such films as 1943's The Heavenly Body (the title ostensibly referred to astronomy), Lamarr emerged in the first rank of screen sex symbols.

And about Garbo:

Greta Garbo (born Greta Lovisa Gustafsson; September 18, 1905 – April 15, 1990) was a Swedish actress, and one of Hollywood's most famous sex symbols during the late silent era, The Pre-Code Era and the early years of The Golden Age of Hollywood.

Greta Garbo Poster Sex Symbol Vintage Rare Photo Mata Hari

In 1933, the biggest female star in American movies wasn't a sex symbol like Greta Garbo, Jean Harlow or Marlene Dietrich. It was Marie Dressler - homely, overweight and over 60 years old.

The New York Post is reporting the home the Swedish-born sex symbol of Hollywood’s silent age bought back in 1954 was on the market for $5.95 million back in 2017 but ended up selling for $8.5 million once word got out it had been Garbo’s pad.

Film's Golden Age sex symbols include 1930s stars Marlene Dietrich, Greta Garbo, Jean Harlow (the 'Platinum Blonde'), Mae West and Clark Gable.

Carroll Baker and Jack Garfein's son Herschell is a Grammy winning composer and on the faculty of NYC/Steinhardt.

R327, Has to be a vintage photo. Herschel Garfein is 65 years old.

[quote] Film's Golden Age sex symbols include 1930s stars Marlene Dietrich, Greta Garbo, Jean Harlow (the 'Platinum Blonde'), Mae West and Clark Gable.

And I fucked them all.

R329 Weren't the pies enough?

Blanche Baker is very attractive and was wonderful as the older sister in Sixteen Candles. Loved her walking down the aisle on muscle relaxers.

330 - Listen missy, I wouldn't even LOOK at those filthy pies after Eve Arden got at them. I remain shocked and appalled.

R331 "I got it! I got it!"

[quote]It was shot in grainy black and white and TV process Electronvision in just eight days

Electronvision process was basically shooting the movie on video tape and then transferred it to 35MM film. Saved time and it cut out the film developing stage. They tried it with"Hamlet" starring Richard Burton too and from everything I have heard it really did look terrible.

[quote] They tried it with "Hamlet" starring Richard Burton too and from everything I have heard it really did look terrible.

That might have had more to do with Burton and lunar surface face. O, that his too too soiled flesh would melt, thaw and resolve itself into a dew indeed!

The story is that Groucho Marx was invited by someone (the producer?) to see the premiere of "Samson and Delilah" starring Victor Mature and Hedy Lamarr, and Groucho said "I don't want to see a picture where the leading man's tits are bigger than the leading lady's!".

Hedy was very beautiful though and quite brilliant, in more recent years finally given credit for her inventions. She was also a better actress than she was given credit for. She was quite wonderful in "Tortilla Flat", though the wonderful John Garfield being somewhat miscast and Spencer Tracy being terrible in a hateful role helped her standout, along with a terrific Frank Morgan in a wonderful scene of dogs seeing a mystic vision in the skies.

R337, Hedy was also a compulsive shoplifter.

Let's get back to talking about ME!

[quote] Hedy was very beautiful though and quite brilliant, in more recent years finally given credit for her inventions.

It's Hedley, damn it. HEDLEY!

Once you're cast as a whore, you're always cast as a whore.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you … THE GRANNY

[quote]And I fucked them all.

#MeToo

R316 [Ann-Margret were also sex symbols, they had nice racks but not big.]

Perhaps not cartoon-sized, but A-M was quite ample

Ann-Margret gained weight for “Carnal Knowledge” and most of it went to her breasts.

R345 - It was a rider in Nicholson's contract.

An Easy Rider?

I watched Poseidon Adventure again, to celebrate her dying, (for reasons well known to her), and she really is fantastic. Sexy, ditzy and real. Fucking loved Stella.

Anne Margaret always looked slutty - no matter what part she played or how much she showed off her TITS. She had a slutty way of moving her mouth - no doubt learned on her knees in waterfront bars of Sweden.

[quote]Anne Margaret

Double "oh, dear."

[quote]She had a slutty way of moving her mouth - no doubt learned on her knees in waterfront bars of Sweden.

She was five years old when she left Sweden for the US.

Edie Adams once walked into Eddie Fisher’s Las Vegas dressing room, they were dating, and found Ann-Margret on her knees sucking Eddie’s cock.

[quote]R349 Anne Margaret always looked slutty - no matter what part she played or how much she showed off her TITS. She had a slutty way of moving her mouth

It’s true. I think Pauline Kael wrote, “Ann-Margret does most of her acting inside her mouth.”

Ann-Marget's lack of lips has always irked me.

R334 It's on YouTube, doesn't look bad, there are probably better prints than that one, but the closer shots are good and it's a recording of a performance of the performance with an audience, so it's of value. If only more shows had been recorded in this way.

Speaking of Ann-Margret, WTF hasn't her 1983 TV movie production of "A Streetcar Named Desire" been released on DVD? I still think she's the best filmed Blanche -- earthier than Leigh and less mannered than Lange. It's practically lost media unless you want to watch it butchered into 20 parts on Youtube or watch an old VHS transfer in German. What a shame. Reportedly, Tennessee Williams (before his death) had wanted her to play Blanche as she struck him of the embodiment of his most famous stage heroine.

Tennessee Williams told every actress he met or who played her that she was his ideal Blanche. Claire Bloom wrote about arguing over this when actresses met.

Perhaps, but allegedly he said this about Ann-Margret years before she filmed the movie.

[quoteSpeaking of Ann-Margret, WTF hasn't her 1983 TV movie production of "A Streetcar Named Desire" been released on DVD? I still think she's the best filmed Blanche -- earthier than Leigh and less mannered than Lange.

Better than Leigh? Seriously? A-M gave a solid community theater performance.

“I still think she's the best filmed Blanche -- earthier than Leigh and less mannered than Lange.“

Excuse me?

Can you or someone find proof that T. Williams said this about Ann-M. R355? I'm always reading it on DL. "Well, Tennessee Williams supposedly said..." Either he said it or he didn't. The late T. needs to shit of get off the pot.

[quote] Better than Leigh? Seriously? A-M gave a solid community theater performance.

Leigh played her like an ice queen, which seemed incongruous to the play. Yes, she was haughty and supercilious, but she wasn't an ice queen. That was Leigh seeping through the performance.

R230 - Tandy never filmed the play. She wasn't beautiful enough to play Blanche on the big screen.

R359 - Here you go

He was probably also thrilled to be getting money for a tv version, same as Stephen Sondheim saying, whoever was cast in any movie or stage production that he liked the casting. Though maybe Williams did indeed like A-M.

I recently listened to an interview with Russ Myer star/stripper/porn star Kitten Natividad (who died last year). She was Stella's maid for a while back in the late 1960s and she said Stella was good to her and they'd prepare dinner together sometimes. Andew was quite the handful though and started a fire in the canyon where they lived, and Stella had to hire someone more equipped to handle him.

[quote]r363 Tandy never filmed the play. She wasn't beautiful enough to play Blanche on the big screen.

Tandy’s looks aren’t what stood in the way of her recreating the role onscreen. The issue was that Warner Bros. wanted at least one established star in the cast, to make the film more marketable. Brando, Hunter and Malden had all performed in movies before, but were not box office stars.

This is interesting: you can hear Tandy do some of the scenes for a radio broadcast.

I want to see Miss Lindsey in "Streetcar."

[quote]Andrew was quite the handful though and started a fire in the canyon where they lived, and Stella had to hire someone more equipped to handle him.

Kate Jackson?

The delivery boy scene didn't work with A-M. He'd be titty fucking her at the drop of a hat.

Ann Magritte must have swirled a lot of critic's jizz around her magic mouth too. She is not up to Tennessee Williams dialogue with her Swedish chef cum hooker voice. Anne has never evoked anything more than a slattern or slut. No matter how the part was written or how she "prepared."

Anne Margaret always comes off as a slurry, sloe eyed, ass twitching whore. With short legs, no lips and tits that look in need of milking. Janet Mason would make a better Blanche DuBoise.

Well, you know, of course Tennessee wanted a lot of popular stars to play Blance because it meant more royalties and more professional attention for him.

R367 Irene Mayer Selznick grew up in Haverhill, MA and you can hear that Merrimack Valley accent in her voice.

Was Constance Cummings the biggest name they could get in London for Martha?

Poor Stella, she dies and Ann-Margaret steals her thread, that "ass twitching whore".

[quote]Leigh played her like an ice queen, which seemed incongruous to the play.

That's your interpretation of her performance. I don't see "ice queen" at all.

^^ She had a stammer in her voice she had to be coached to overcome. She was very proud of being able to make it smoothly through that speech.

If you haven’t read it, her memoir A PRIVATE VIEW is very interesting.

In response to

[quote{R373 Irene Mayer Selznick grew up in Haverhill, MA and you can hear that Merrimack Valley accent in her voice.

Oh, dear. Now I messed up my formatting, too : (

In her book she says when they were casting, Kazan initially wanted Mary Martin for Blanche, Williams wanted Pamela Brown (a performer whose legend hasn’t endured), and she wanted Margaret Sullavan.

Regarding Tennessee Williams...

R374 Martha who?

R377 I was referring to her accent. But thanks for the recommendation.

[quote] The delivery boy scene didn't work with A-M. He'd be titty fucking her at the drop of a hat.

The delivery boy was played by Raphael Sbarge so he would have spent his rent money before opening the door, if you know what I mean...

Sbarge was cute as a kid, but man he aged like milk fast.

Pamela Brown looked like someone drew a face on an egg.

It’s odd that since Tandy and Leigh played blonde Blanches, people usually assume the character’s blonde.

Amy Ryan (who was a Tony nominated Stella) told the productions hairdresser that Blanche and Stella don’t have to contrast each other, blonde/brunette. They’re supposed to be sisters, not diametrical opposites.

[quote] Well, you know, of course Tennessee wanted a lot of popular stars to play Blance because it meant more royalties and more professional attention for him.

Yes, of course. But I don't recall him pleading with ABC to cast Sada Thompson in the role.

[quote]R382 I was referring to her accent.

I wasn’t negating what you wrote about her accent. i was just mentioning something else about her voice.

I’m sorry it came across that way.

[quote] That's your interpretation of her performance. I don't see "ice queen" at all.

Well of course it's my interpretation and also my opinion. Whose else would they be? I don't need anyone's affirmation or agreement to have my own thoughts.

[quote] It’s odd that since Tandy and Leigh played blonde Blanches, people usually assume the character’s blonde.

The role of Blanche's hair will be performed tonight by Henna Rinse.

[quote]R386 I don't recall [Tennessee Williams] pleading with ABC to cast Sada Thompson in the role.

I believe Thompson was preparing to undertake the role of Angel Lorraine on “Charlie’s Angels” at the time, anyway. Not available.

It's shame we were robbed of Tanya Roberts' Blanche.

R383 I saw him on the T in Boston once. Even young (then) he wasn't particularly handsome, but he looked like an actor.

R385 Every time I've seen the film I've thought the sisters were both blondes. Kim Hunter's hair is a little darker but I wouldn't call her a brunette.

R388 I agree with the poster who disagrees with you. I don't see "ice queen" in her performance at all. She's a vulnerable, humorous, affectionate, emotional woman. Someone who lives for magic over realism is not an ice queen.

[quote] I believe Thompson was preparing to undertake the role of Angel Lorraine on “Charlie’s Angels” at the time, anyway. Not available.

Was that the cherubic one? Bosley's sister?

[quote] Someone who lives for magic over realism is not an ice queen.

Someone who's need for magic over realism has been crushed by society can become closed off and thus be an ice queen. Does Blanche care about anyone other than herself? Really? Is she particularly useful in any way? Does she love Mitch, or is she just stringing him along to rescue her sagging ass? Is she seriously flirting with her pregnant sister's husband? I don't understand why Blanche engenders sympathy. Maybe she didn't deserve Stanley's brutish behavior (and certainly not the rape), but Blanche was one major pain in the ass bitch, and I'd have kicked her out of my tiny, cluttered one bedroom apartment too.

Back to Stella!

[quote]R391 It's shame we were robbed of Tanya Roberts' Blanche.

I think an older Cheryl Ladd’s the only Angel that fit anything like Blanche’s type. Kate, too blunt and sinewy. Farrah, just no no no. Jaclyn, too calm. Shelley, too cold and self sufficient. Tanya… mmmmm, not really an actress to begin with, but maybe better than Jaclyn, as she at least appeared to be conscious. Tho could Riberts play an English teacher? I think not.

R394 You haven't defined an ice queen. An ice queen is usually a beautiful woman who is or seems emotionless, distant or unfeeling. She has a heart of ice.

[quote]It's shame we were robbed of Tanya Roberts' Blanche.

It's a shame we were robbed of Doris Roberts's Blanche.

R384, Hilarious!

[quote]r392 Every time I've seen the film I've thought the sisters were both blondes. Kim Hunter's hair is a little darker but I wouldn't call her a brunette.

On stage Kim Hunter’s Stella was definitely brunette. I’ve never thought of Hunter as anything else, though in a black and white film with strong studio lighting I guess it could get hazy.

Just got done watching Kim Hunter in The Seventh Victim (1943).

What Ann-Margret lacked most was Blanche's fragility. With those whore tits and all, she seemed awfully hale and hearty to be playing Blanche.

[quote]R397 An ice queen is usually a beautiful woman who is or seems emotionless, distant or unfeeling. She has a heart of ice.

I agree. Blanche is a flirt. Ice Queens are reserved, without the promise of intimacy. Blanche tries (tries!) to appear proper, but she’s not frigid.

[italic]”I remember some of my notes from Kazan and from Tennessee, and I remember first--right now--the one where Tennessee told me that as a young boy--a teased, effeminate, shy boy--he would tell stories, very rapidly, to keep people interested and to keep boys from hitting him or teasing him. Tennessee imagined that if he were ever walking a plank or waiting for the guillotine to race toward his neck, he would tell stories rapidly. Dream and delay. That was one of his tactics. And this was Blanche, and this was Tennessee, and so I charmed and told stories all the time to buy some time, to get attention, to stretch what Tennessee called the glorious, evening hours so that morning and the truth might never come. And Kazan told me to imagine myself in those delicate, crinkled shoes on that plank, above choppy waters, and I just want to finish my story. I just want a little more time.” (Jessica Tandy)

Blanche never should be played as "hale and hearty". Batshit crazy, yes. Whore tits, optional.

LEAVE BLANCHE’S TITS ALONE!

[quote]R401 Just got done watching Kim Hunter in The Seventh Victim (1943).

That’s a very curious, interesting movie!

R400 I didn't see her on stage but in the film she was a sandy blonde, and she was dark blonde around that time in still photos and in her films. I think she was a natural brunette.

I will cede the point that I’m not a Kim Hunter expert. She’s only famous for the one thing.

[quote]I will cede the point that I’m not a Kim Hunter expert. She’s only famous for the one thing.

She definitely wasn't a blonde in the original "Planet of the Apes" and its sequels.

Sorry… I was going to add that!

Shelley Winters played Blanche in a small theater in-the-round. (Outside L.A.?) I think she produced it herself. Now THAT would be something to see!

Dear lord.

[quote]Shelley Winters played Blanche in a small theater in-the-round. (Outside L.A.?)

Talk about a hale and hearty Blanche!

She's only famous for one thing: A Streetcar Named Desire, and Planet Of the Apes.

Olivia de Havilland (who was offered the film) wouldn't have been a good Blanche.

Shelley was born to play Stanley.

Indeed it is, r406!

[quote]R414 Olivia de Havilland (who was offered the film) wouldn't have been a good Blanche.

Talk about an ice queen. She would have played Blanche like a total prisspot.

[quote]The delivery boy was played by Raphael Sbarge so he would have spent his rent money before opening the door, if you know what I mean...

Actually, I have no idea what you mean, especially the part about "would have spent his rent money." Can you explain?

[quote]Well of course it's my interpretation and also my opinion. Whose else would they be? I don't need anyone's affirmation or agreement to have my own thoughts.

In writing "That's your interpretation," I meant to point out that your interpretation is not one that's widely shared. I have never heard the character of Blanche in Vivien Leigh's performance described as an "ice queen," but then again, you don't seem to really know what that means.

You may not need anyone's affirmation or agreement to have your own thoughts, but apparently, you can't accept it when someone states politely that they disagree with your opinion on something. That's pretty sad.

R366 "Andew was quite the handful though and started a fire in the canyon where they lived, and Stella had to hire someone more equipped to handle him."

Andrew Stevens doesn’t sound like he was any prize to be around. It has been said that the relationship with his mother has determined everything in his entire life.

R420 The family excluded Stella.

[quote]R420 [Andrew Stevens’] relationship with his mother has determined everything in his entire life.

It’s a shame he never grew up.

He could have started by not adopting her stage name if he wanted distance.

Formative years are important. Stella chose her career over him. I can't fault him for the resentment he felt.

[quote] Shelley Winters played Blanche in a small theater in-the-round. (Outside L.A.?) I think she produced it herself. Now THAT would be something to see!

Did she call it "A Streetcar Named Dessert"? I'm assuming it was dinner theater, hers. She ate all the greasy pork chops before the dinner scene. Her poor castmates had to mime eating. Her onstage purse was stuffed with macaroni salad so she could sustain herself for the three hour show.

R418 - Premature ejaculation

[quote] you can't accept it when someone states politely that they disagree with your opinion on something. That's pretty sad.

Thank you for your armchair psychological analysis. Here's mine: you are prone to correcting everyone, including strangers, whether you are actually correct or not, and are then surprised by anything less than their gratitude. That's very sad.

First of all, R426, I didn't "correct" your statement. All I did was to point out that your opinion on Vivien Leigh's performance in STREETCAR is.....your opinion, and one I have never heard expressed before. And then I politely stated my disagreement, which apparently set you off.

Back to Stella Stevens: I recently re-watched POSEIDON, and she's really good in it. Also, the script is pretty good, and the production design. I do think the director's work with some of the actors could have been better.

Girls, girls! Stop fighting. You're both pretty.

Stella’s Blanche, anyone?

Pamela Sue Martin could play Stella.

Pamela Sue is more a Carlotta, r430.

So Stella for Phyllis?

R369 Looks like no one could handle raging Andy. A guy who used to play basketball with him for years in the 90s, says Andrew was horrible. He was out of control. A player had to get knee surgery because Andy plowed into him... Mind you, that was not teenage Andy. He was in his late thirties/early forties... Some character defects that's for sure. And blaming his mother for everything is just not fair. She was a teen mom. That must have been hell in the 1950s. Where was Noble?

It is weird Andrew never gained perspective on his relationship with his mother. She probably did the best she could.

[quote] And blaming his mother for everything is just not fair. She was a teen mom. That must have been hell in the 1950s.

If only I'd been knocked up after 1973...

The amount of nudity she did probably wasn' easy on him either.

[quote]If only I'd been knocked up after 1973...

That's no excuse, Stella.

One of her earliest jobs was playing a “chorus girl” in the remake of THE BLUE ANGEL. Do you think that’s her on the far left?

R438 - That was my first thought, but the face looks different. The brunette next to her looks more like Stella. Was she always blonde?

She's the blonde on the far left, but she does look different. She was only 20 when it was shot.

[bold]Stella Stevens is DEEDED TO ME!!![/bold]

Andrew needed the money.

Stella Stevens and Jason Robards in 'The Dead We Leave Behind':

Oh, BTW: maybe for the Dead Raquel Welch thread, but I was looking for a pic in my imgurl account and noticed Welch’s Blackglama ad got 1 upvote while Dorothy Faye’s got 5.

So glad Rocky’s not alive to see that.

Stella Stevens is still DEAD TO ME!!!

I’m literally trembling!

Was she related to me?

I haven't plowed all the way through this thread...has anyone mentioned that she played Apassionata Von Climax in the film version of the musical "L'il Abner." She was quite right for the parts. There were a lot of babes in that movie; Leslie Parrish, Julie Newmar, Donna Douglas. Valeria Harper and Beth Howland played minor roles. It was a fun, silly movie.

R447

[quote]has anyone mentioned that she played Apassionata Von Climax in the film version of the musical "L'il Abner."

In the role Ginger Grant played on Broadway.

If only y'all would have shown your love for Stella when she was alive....

[Quote] If only y'all would have shown your love for Stella when she was alive....

Who do you think attended this event?

Clue # 1: Castro Theatre...