Pa Murdaugh: Part II The Ginger, Shark-Eyed Shooter

Also, seems like the defense “forgot” to mention they’d interviewed the Alex’ mother’s caregiver and never turned anything over in discovery.

This is what Christian conservationism looks like

Thanks for the new thread, OP!

R1 that's juicy! Where was that mentioned?

It came up when they were questioning her. Judge said they needed to turn over everything to prosecutors immediately. Poor woman was clearly scared and upset. She also said he was not there as long as he claimed that night.

" I did him so bad." Alex Murdaugh during his interview with police at the crime scene, referring to his dead son.

R6: ETA: Mr Murdaugh is heard sobbing as he tells the dispatcher “it's bad” and “my wife and child have been shot badly”.

Seeing a pattern of speech here.

This guy is sad on so many levels. I can't listen to him speak. His voice makes Ross Perot sound like Barry White.

[quote] Also, seems like the defense “forgot” to mention they’d interviewed the Alex’ mother’s caregiver and never turned anything over in discovery.

I didn't see the testimony of the caregiver, or the Judge's comments, but if the defense interviewed the woman prior to trial and did not actually make a recording of it, they may have not violated any kind of discovery requirements. Any notes that Murdaugh's attorneys made while the lady would have been talking to them would be attorney work product, and so privileged, not discoverable. If there were electronic recordings of an interview, they *would* have to be produced, if the State asked for that kind of thing, formally, which almost certainly would have been done.

Great title, op!

R9, they said something about it not being certified…? In any case they are supposed to be giving whatever it is they have to the prosecution.

How did the defense handle Alex’s voice being on Paul’s last snap chat at the kennels? Did they try to rebut it?

Thank you R10! It’s the first ‘part II’ I’ve started and was weirdly stressed about picking a good one!

Apologies I didn’t know how to put a link in part I…..

R13- I agree, great title, OP ! Thanks for continuing the thread. 😘

Paul had a Snapchat of an encounter with his dad right before he died?

R15- Early in the investigation it was said that earlier that day Paul went on Snapchat and posted something derogatory about AM. His friends read it and apparently it got back to AM, who allegedly also read it and became extremely angry at Paul for whatever he wrote about him. This is not the video from Paul's phone that was recorded at the time of the murders when he was videoing his friends sick dog, but something all together different and much earlier that day.

R16: Just to add that Paul was rumored to be very angry at his father. Paul was apparently very close to his mother so I can only speculate that Paul may have been taking his mother's side in the alleged separation and pending divorce. Alex is said to have treated Maggie very badly and Paul may have been angry at him for his treatment of her and for his alleged affair. Then again, it could have been about the upcoming court case on the boating accident or who the hell knows with that hillbilly family from hell. 🤷‍♀️

Multi generational corruption. Grift and lies.

R18- Which is why, imo, AM was so careless. He never worried about getting caught because he has never been made to answer for anything he has ever done in his life until now. Had this case not caught the attention of the national media he most certainly would have gotten away with double homicide, imo. He has gotten away with everything else, why would he think otherwise? But then Big Daddy died and everything changed overnight in his entitled world. People no longer felt the need to protect the ugly man.

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I still can’t get over that his law firm is PMPED….PIMPED for all intents and purposes. Entirely fitting

What’s up with all these hobby gun owners getting rails for their assault rifles? Expecting to be emptying mag after mag? Shouldn’t be necessary for plinking cans or punching holes in targets—what they claim they buy the thing for.

Or do they really buy it for a sick power trip? Nah.

"Maggie Murdaugh may have bought gun that killed her - for her dead son."

"Pimping in the name of the Lord"

The title of this video is incorrect. Alex's partner Crosby testified that Alex told him directly that he had NOT gone down to those kennels after supper, where Alex claimed Maggie and Paul had gone to see their dogs. Then, when the prosecutor replays Paul's little dog video in the courtroom, Crosby says he is 100 Percent certain that the voices on the video are Maggie, Paul, and Alex. He had known Alex for 25 years. Alex, meanwhile, is shaking and fidgeting, rocking forwards and backwards like a demon in a cage, while his former friend's testimony is consigning him to prison forever. It's a long video, but way more interesting than most television on the air today. It's gripping.

Wonder who called in the bomb threat?

R26 I’m guessing it was somehow arranged by Alex Murdaugh himself

When does Cousin Eddie testify? I'll want to clear my calendar for that.

Here is a photo to give you nightmares

That CFO's testimony about Murdaugh's thefts from his law firm, to the tune of over 5 million dollars, over 11 years, is truly incredible. Shots of him on camera during her testimony, full face at the table, showed that the entire courtroom was staring at him from behind him, with their mouths agape. He cheated the shit out of client after client, and his own partners (and brothers), and *none* of the clients *ever* complained about him stealing their money. Unbelievable.

I gotta say AM’s rug isn’t half bad.

Recent evidence introduced in the case shows the precise times that the Murdaughs' vehicles were started and turned off, how far they were moved, the exact time that the family's "media center" was turned on and off, etc. Modern technology is recording every move we make. The cop who testified about finding Maggie's cell phone on the side of the road indicated that cell phone forensics are just about the most important aspect of criminal investigations nowadays. His testimony is worth watching: Officer Dylan Hightower. (Addl bonus: he's so muscle bound he looks comically like his suit jacket was spray-painted on) Lead attorney Harpootlian cross-examined him, himself, and while Harpootlian surprised me as being much, *much* sharper than he appears to be, he's too old-school to confront that young cop's knowledge of digital forensic technology.

Is the trial online anywhere?

^Youtube.

I watch it here.

Thanks R34 and R35.....

Pic of the hot cop please.

Some members of the Murdaugh clan are misbehaving.

Wowza, passing notes like Dawn Davenport. Drug Test!

It's Alec's sister. She looks just like Ginny Thomas. Buster too, making an "obscene gesture" in court to attorney Mark Tinsely, the plaintiffs' lawyer in the Mallory Beach boat case.

Judge is now making them all sit in the last row of the room.

Had no idea some family were still alive.

You thought Alec had killed em ALL?

I'm happy to hear how ugly and trashy they're being en masse. It has affirmatively bled out ANY last traces of sympathy I might have been able to call up for Alex and these trashlords.

R30, have they discussed where all of this money went? Drugs? Gambling?

[quote] You thought Alec had killed em ALL?

You type like that would be surprising.

[quote] It's Alec's sister. She looks just like Ginny Thomas. Buster too, making an "obscene gesture" in court to attorney Mark Tinsely, the plaintiffs' lawyer in the Mallory Beach boat case.

I hope this was in the presence of the jury.

^NO speculation at all in her testimony about what Alex needed the $5 million for (over the course of 11). He COULDN'T have been snorting it all and still been a functioning human being. He was ROLLING in dough, and making sometimes a million bucks or more a year from the firm itself.

And check this rundown on the jailhouse calls from Buster to Alec over the course of the past months. Alec has CERTAINLY still got sources of major money, which he is funneling to the kid. He apparently paid a big SC atty a "retainer" of $60,000 to get Buster readmitted to law school somehow. This is all just as corrupt as hell. Alex has got a PILE of money concealed someplace. He could spend the rest of his life in prison just over the thefts he made from his own law firm. Something ain't right...

Forgot the link:

Are we sure he wasn’t gambling?

The theory that he has a secret stash somewhere is a solid one.

What ever happened to Ellick’s mistress? Are lawyers going to just ignore that?

No one has mentioned gambling in any news sources that I have seen. (None of the witnesses I have watched have also mentioned that Alex ever seemed to be discombobulated, or to have looked the worse for wear, except in the weeks following the murders). The tenor of those calls with Buster is that, right now, Alex doesn't feel like money is ANY kind of problem. It's mind-boggling after sitting through that interminable litany of the huge thefts he perpetrated from that law firm (and his own clients, of course). That money was not all wasted on drugs, it's hidden away somewhere.

[quote]How did the defense handle Alex’s voice being on Paul’s last snap chat at the kennels?

One of the dogs is a ventriloquist.

They just shook their heads and looked down at their shoes for a "moment of silence."

Yeah, it’s unbelievable he was so messed up on opioids but able to carry on 20 years of financial malfeasance without being discovered. Gambling might help answer that.

Where DID the money go, R48? Well, part of it definitely went offshore illegally, and plenty more had to go to mistresses, high living, gambling, and up his nose. But would even the most expensive mistress cost millions a year, which is what it seems he's gone through?

I'm wondering how much he paid out in blackmail. Seriously, what else would account for his law firm keeping him on and doing nothing about him stealing millions from everyone he dealt with? How could his senior partners not know? So my theory is that they were all in on it, and got a cut, and threw him under the bus to save themselves and the firm when the shit hit the fan. And that he would have done the same to them, and any of them would have done the same for whomever was the first to get caught. Complete corruption, and it probably wasn't confined just to the law firm.

^It IS startling to see, in those jailhouse calls, how he breezily Alex tells Buster to ask his lawyer Uncles for money, when we know that he had been caught robbing them BLIND for well over a decade. How did he have the balls to believe they'd give that kid thousands of dollars if Buster just asked them? It's most peculiar.

Maybe Alex is feeling chipper because he KNOWS he has way more than 5 million bucks stashed away in secret, so he's thinking he'll beat this murder rap, get out of jail, make a deal with what's left of PIMPED to repay all the money to those folks, in return for which PIMPED will drop its complaints against him for malfeasance, and everybody will live happily ever after. Simple. Of course, Alex will STAY disbarred, but he seems like the type who can make out very well for himself. Maybe he'll become a television evangelist.

R55 is probably right. Of course the corruption runs deep.

R55, I think what you describe is highly likely. A successful crime boss makes sure that his underlings and cohorts are paid well (otherwise they’ll turn on him). That would explain why Alex thought he would get away with the murders: the right people had been colluding with him all along.

R59 That picture of him smiling, jesus he looks utterly nuts.

[quote]Judge is now making them all sit in the last row of the room.

You can't sit with us!

Does anyone know of a reliable and well-written site where I can read about the trial? I really don't want to start yet another subscription... I've used up the free-read articles and FITSNews and other sites. Thanks.

Man, this really is something - mind-boggling that other Murdaughs are in the court room to SUPPORT Alec - especially Buster. Damn, this is cold; his mother and brother murdered, your father the prime suspect, Pa's other crimes have been reported and he sits there day after day.

AM's sister sounds like a piece of work. The entitlement runs deep. In that family.

Long in the tooth

R3 Actually they're Democrats

^Trump voters, nonetheless. Depend on it.

Sure, Jan at R65.

Is that you, Buster’s fake girlfriend?

^I'm pretty sure they *are* "Democrats" but it goes way back to the days before the parties, basically, flip-flopped in the South, in the '80s mostly, and all the crypto-fascists switched over to the Republican Party. The Murdaughs have been rich and powerful for enough generations so that they have atavistically held on as members of the Democratic Party. That is not all that uncommon in the South, actually. I have seen it reported that Alex's old main attorney, Harpootlian, is one of the most powerful Democratic figures in South Carolina (which is precisely why Alex has him as his lawyer, although I AM curious how Alex is paying this no-doubt very highly expensive attorney for the representation. Harpootlian isn't doing it for free, Alex is washed up as any kind of political power in South Carolina, obviously) Harpootlian LOOKS like a typical, doddering old Southern fool lawyer, but he is very VERY sharp on cross-examination.

Jesse Tyler Ferguson IS Pa.

R62: you can use Firefox on a computer to read the FitNews articles: open the articles in a "Private Window" and you will get most of the links for free. If it blocks you, clear the cookies for that site (you can look this up on Google, it's easy-peasy), and the site will start the "count" against you all over again, re your 5 free articles, and you can read to your heart's content. Simple.

I’m not the dude you were talking to, but thanks for that info, r70!

The housekeeper (who did all of the laundry and was very familiar with the Murdaugh clothes) testifies that she never saw the green polo shirt and shoes Alex wore in the snapchat video from the day of the murders again after that day.

And she's the latest person to ID Alex's voice on the kennel video.

R62 , go to The Post and Courier's site. They have live updates, or you can stream the trial there too.

Thanks guys, will try both out.

So the housekeeper testified that Alex attempted to create a "memory" for her, after the murders, that on that day he had been wearing a different shirt than the one he was filmed actually wearing in video made that afternoon before Maggie and Paul were killed. She very clearly knew that he was incorrect about what he suggested to her he had had on; she had remembered "fixing" the collar of the shirt he was in fact wearing on that day. That's a major step towards getting this asshole put away forever: suborning perjury in your own murder trial. She also testified that Alex had specifically requested both Maggie and Paul to be at Moselle on the fatal night, had asked them to meet him there. Alex, over at the defense table as she was testifying, had a "busy", calculating expression on his face that just screams, "I did it!!, I did it!!" He really does seem like a deranged creep, totally oriented towards manipulating everyone around him, all the time.

Is the death penalty on the table? Imagine the scion of this notorious family being executed.

No, they announced around Xmastime that they were not seeking the death penalty, but I'm pretty sure ARE seeking life without parole. It's astounding to me. If ANY crime merited it, surely killing your wife and son to cover up a lifetime of theft would be about the most qualifying thing you could do to deserve it. That housekeeper's testimony about those shirts sealed Alex's fate, as far as I am concerned. That and Crosby's testimony to the effect that Alex told him affirmatively that he had not gone down to those kennels at all on the evening of the murders, means Alex goes to jail and never comes out.

^It sho is a white man’s world.

Agreed, 100 percent. -R77.

I respect the opinion of others, but in my opinion, the death penalty is never justified.

^I don't "believe" in the death penalty, but if I were on this jury, as the evidence stands right now I don't think I'd have a hard time voting "yes" for Elleck. -R77

I'm not R62, but thanks R70!

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Buster is doing some damage control after being told off by the judge for flipping off a witness in court.

Also, those are the CHEAPEST "headstones" for a family with so much money.

[quote]: suborning perjury in your own murder trial.

Both his housekeeper AND his mother's caretaker testified that Alex tried to change their recollections about the night of the murders.

The caretaker said Alex told her "I was at mother's house 30 to 40 minutes." He then told her he would help pay for her wedding and find her a better job.

She testified that she KNEW he had only been at the house 20 minutes and she was so unnerved by him trying to lie for him that she called her brother, who is a police officer.

Innocent people don't do things like that.

[quote]I respect the opinion of others, but in my opinion, the death penalty is never justified.

While I disagree with you, I will say I have much more respect for you and your stance than for those who always chime in with, “I don’t believe in the death penalty, BUT in this case….”

Cheerio.

Buster doesn't look very emotional at r83.

R87 that’s the truth! At first I felt sorry for him in all of this but starting to think he’s just another rotten Murdaugh

Buster doesn't look too very busted up to me, either.

And if he had a shred of decency (or if pigs had wings), he might have carted those shitty graveside trinkets to a waste bin instead of adding to the junkpile by placing a plastic 'replica' of their dog Bubba on the graves.

I wonder if Buster phoned the Daily Mail to alert them to the fake as fuck photo op -- using his deepest, gravelly voice, of course.

Alec's behavior clearly marks him as the guilty party, to me. It all makes sense except I just don't get the 2 guns being used. It just doesn't make sense. Yet, if 2 assailants had in fact been there, there would be some kind of trace of their presence. Alec's lies about his clothes, the disappearance of the clothes he was photographed in that evening, and his prodding his mother's caretaker to "lie" for him about the duration of his stay there are the damning evidence, the foundation for a conviction. Those two employees, whom he tried to push him around, have the goods to lock him up for good. Also, his motive just seems as insane as the crime itself, *why* did he do it? He planned ahead, he asked them both to come there so he could kill them. Nothing Maggie has said reportedly said indicated she was on the brink of leaving him, but the housekeeper found her wedding ring in Maggie's car after Maggie was killed - that was never explained in any way, so far. The cops really fucked up by not sealing up that house immediately and documenting it before all the worried family friends paraded through and started tidying up, just as with the Ramsey case...

The Murdaugh family were the Solicitors for 5 counties of South Carolina for nearly 100 years, yet ole Alex seems to have had almost zero understanding of the extent to which cellular technology would trace his every movement on the night of the killings.

That’s because he was too busy coming up with rackets to steal from the company, not trying murder cases.

Alex was as sloppy as hell, presumably because he didn't think he needed to take any real trouble. He assumed that his colleagues in corruption, on the police force and in the courts, would hush it all up and probably blame the family of his son's victim, because he knew too much about their petty crimes. And that's probably exactly what would have happened, if national attention hadn't been focused on this case, which has apparently caused the corrupt local authorities to unite against him, and probably threaten to "Epstein" him in jail if he tries to take anyone down with him.

So now I want to know what Bryan Kohlberg's excuse for being so sloppy is. HE isn't part of a corrupt local Old Boys' Network!

The accountant's testimony did sort of indicate to me that Alex was more of a deal-maker than a trier of cases. This case shows how hard it is to effectively conceal one's movements nowadays. I had no idea about the sophistication of the cellular technology in automobiles, stereo and tv sets, etc.

Here is the police's bodycam footage when they responded to the 911 call.

Alex seems guilty AF to me. His wife and child have been brutally slaughtered and the first thing he thinks to tell the police is to lay the groundwork for his alibi on why he has gunshot residue? "Sir, I went on up to the house to get a gun." Not anything about THEM, he's talking about HIM.

And way too many details about him, which is always a tipoff that someone is lying. Right off the bat, "This is a long story" as he tries to convince them that the killings were revenge for the boat crash. Again, it's all about getting in his alibi. Like saying, "I was at my mother's for an hour and a half [a lie] and I saw Paul and Maggie 45 minutes before that [another lie]."

He told the police that he's seen Paul's brain at his feet. And yet Alex asks, "Are they dead???"

And when the officer confirms that they are [obviously] dead (remember, Alex was there 30 minutes without them moving or breathing), Alex says, "So it's official."

That is some cold-blooded killer realness there.

He seems like such creepy scum that it almost makes me think the defense will HAVE to get him up on the stand to sob and flail around and scream that he didn't do it. What has he got to lose? He's facing decades in prison for the financial stuff, which is supported by a wheelbarrow load of signed documents, so he's not getting out of jail even if he beats this murder charge. He's got NOTHING to lose by trying to convince the jury that he loved Maggie and Paul and had no reason to kill either one of them. It's really the only argument he's got left. (He did it, and it seems blindingly obvious). Maybe some of Alex's flunkies will try to corrupt a juror; he would CERTAINLY do it if he could get away with it, obviously.

[quote]It all makes sense except I just don't get the 2 guns being used.

One of the ballistics experts says that one of the Murdaugh guns they tested kept jamming.

I heard reported today that there is a 3rd film of a police interview, done in August of that year, and that Alex really loses his cool in that one. It is supposed to be played in the trial, I guess coming up in the next day or so.

[quote]He seems like such creepy scum that it almost makes me think the defense will HAVE to get him up on the stand to sob

Oh, honey, he has been sobbing every day for the jury. When the jury is not there, he never cries during testimony. But when they return, he can't keep himself together. Bless his heart.

Listen to the bodycam footage, Miss Community Theater Thing can stop his crying jag on a dime, to answer a question or to say "Hello" to someone who walks past.

But there is NO WAY his counsel is going to let him testify. He would be crucified on cross.

How the fuck did he think he was going to get away with this. How could your murder your own son? Lawd.

[quote]How the fuck did he think he was going to get away with this.

He may very well. All it takes is ONE juror to have doubt.

And it is a tough sell that a father would shoot his own sons brains out minutes after a pleasant conversation.

I think all the digital data (and the testimony of the housekeeper and caregiver) make it clear that Alex is the murderer. But I can still see at least one juror not being about to believe it.

That screencap from the bodycam footage is hysterical. It just screams BAD ACTING.

I can't believe that two jurors were diagnosed with covid, yet no precautions are going to be enforced. The courtroom observers should be removed and only those vital to the case allowed to remain. Yet the judge says he will NOT require face masks or social distancing, and those observers attending purely for entertainment purposes will not be asked to leave. According to the judge those people can decide for themselves if they should stay or should they go home and watch.

[italic] This trial will end in tears for any number of reasons.

It’s ridiculous, r103. I am so afraid we’re going to end up in a mistrial. That psychotic possum AM would love it.

I hope it ends in a mistrial. Then the prosecution can start over and present a case with some gravity. No way will he be convicted during this trial even though he's guilty AF. Unless cousin Eddie gets on the stand and says "I saw him do it", this trial will be a victory for the defense. One consolation is that he will NEVER get out of prison for all of his financial crimes. Buster dodged a bullet.

If the case ends in a mistrial, then Murdaugh has to pay for a whole new round of legal fees!

Alex is such a shitty person. First, for butchering his wife and kid. Second, for making the rest of the family go through this trial, looking at pics of the bleeding corpses and Paul's brain at his feet.

Sociopath.

If Alex was so certain that the Beach family committed this crime as an act of revenge, did Alex ever hire a private eye to try to find the evidence to that effect? Obvs we can't compel Alex to comment on this, but the prosecution *could* subpoena Buster to testify whether he was aware of his father hiring any kind of investigator. It would be interesting to see what happens.

And relatedly, staging one's own "suicide" on the side of the road is *hardly* the act of an innocent man. I *still* think Alex intended to kill Curtis Smith at that roadside encounter and then place the blame for Maggie and Paul's deaths on Smith, claiming Smith had tried to assassinate him and that the whole thing had been a vendetta against the entire Murdaugh family, somehow.

They're thinking about it:

Hope he takes the stand.

He almost gets an Oscar at r95.

How does a person become this crazy?

I understand why people who have known nothing but grinding poverty and abuse turn crazy.

Alex Murdaugh— I don’t get it at all.

And dont say drugs because I think the trial has quietly disproven the “Alex was a dope fiend!” theory.

The defense will not put him on the stand, in spite of the CNN article.

Defense attorneys always say they’re “thinking about putting” their client on the stand until the last minute. Gives the prosecutors more work to prepare for a possible cross of the defendant.

If they’re stupid enough to put this guy on the stand, I’ll eat my hat.

AM: Are they dead?

Officer: No, sir. Just a minor head wound.

Miss Maggie's sister is testifying today.

Oh Sylvia, I hope that the sister's testimony is j-u-i-c-y - but I doubt it will be. Just as I doubt Maggie was any kind of saint or a good person; look at who married and stay with for years and then there are the two Pa and Ma spawn, Paul and Buster.

R116, I’m sure that all of the women who were involved with the Murdaughs were constantly told how lucky they were and how they should just shut up and play along. Look at what happened to Maggie when she tried to divorce Alex.

Maggie's sister started to testify about something that the defense attorney told her and the same attorney jumped up and objected that the testimony was hearsay.

The entire courtroom erupted into laughter.

"How does a person become this crazy?"

I think it starts with an inborn "clinical lack of empathy", and grows when the family tells a child that the rules don't apply to their family, and that they are entitled to power, luxury, and high status as a birthright. Then add utter contempt for anyone who isn't part of the elite circles the child has been born into, which makes the person realize that if they were to lose their status, they would become contemptible according to the family belief system. That creates a massive need to hold onto power and status at all costs, and of course, the belief that the rules don't apply is already in place.

The older I get and the more I see of humans, the more firmly I believe that humans are massively motivated by a desire for status. We're social animals (like babboons), and our DNA is constantly telling us that status within the social group is everything, that at all costs we have to gain status and *never* lose it. That's not only an inborn need that's constantly exploited by the advertising industry, it also explains so much about politics. Look at the modern American right wing whites, they're going crazy and becoming violent, because a combination of economic and social forces are taking away the superior status they enjoyed for so long. They're willing to commit just about any crime to hold onto the social and economic position to which they feel entitled, as did Alex Murdaugh.

The housekeeper said that the Murdaughs just left their dirty plates on the table when finished with a meal. And that the week before the murders, Paul asked her to stay late to do laundry for him because he was going to Charleston.

What lazy, entitled, greasy pieces of shit.

Fucking slobs.

[quote]The housekeeper said that the Murdaughs just left their dirty plates on the table when finished with a meal.

Is that odd? Isn’t that what a housekeeper is for?

For some reason, I can’t picture people like Oprah and other rich folks who have housekeepers clearing their own table.

R121 These people are not spoiled celebrities.

And they are teaching their children to be slobs.

These lazy cunts would leave the plates on the table, in the sink, and on the stove, OVERNIGHT, leaving them for the housekeeper to take care of the next morning.

I hope they spent the night with cockroaches crawling over their faces while they slept.

Sorry, I still don’t get the outrage.

That’s why you hire a housekeeper. Note that we’re not talking about a cleaning person.

Confession: I often leave dishes soaking in the sink overnight. I just can’t face doing dishes after cooking when I get home from work. I do the dishes first thing in the morning.

It’s terrible, I know.

Is Cousin Eddie going to testify?

Seriously, Alex is crazy enough to want to testify. It would be fantastic.

Buster with that dark red hair is really unfortunate looking

Paul was getting fat before he died. He had HBP and his ankles were swollen. I imagine the boat accident really weighed on him even though he acted like an a-hole. He sounds like the kind of person who is a mean drunk but otherwise a good kid. He visited his grandparents more than anyone else in the family and loved dogs. He was said to be kind and friendly to everyone. There are a lot of people like that. Inner rage and can't hold their alcohol. But when not drinking a sweet person. I think paul was probably like that from everything I've read about him.

Well R127, it's too bad that his parents gleefully enabled his drunk, ragey, asshole side.

I thought the State told the Judge they'd be done by Wednesday, yesterday. Are they through presenting their case now?

R128 I agree with you. I just think Paul was probably a different person when he was sober and was young to have all of that now on his shoulders. Not that he didn't do it to himself and his parents definitely raised them with few consequences. Even after the boat crash Alex was trying to go into the rooms in the Emergency Department to convince everyone that another boy was driving the boat.

[quote]I thought the State told the Judge they'd be done by Wednesday, yesterday. Are they through presenting their case now?

The defense (for the second time) got sloppy on cross and opening the door to testimony that had previously been excluded by the judge. So the roadside shooting is back, which will prolong the State's case a bit.

This judge doesn't play. He said, "I ruled that the roadside shooting was a bridge too far. But the defense decided to build a road over that bridge. And expected to dance through fire without getting burned."

I haven't been following this trial. Looks like the prosecutor is still on its case-in-chief? How much longer, approx., until they rest their case-in-chief?

Yeah, Pa Murdaugh looks nutty enough to testify.

Those boys were definitely Alex’s sons and all that that implies.

[QUOTE]decided to build a road over that bridge

??

I wonder if Alex's dying father recommended offing Maggie as the easiest solution to his financial and marital problems. I assume she had a life insurance policy. I recall reading a county local who marveled at how Murdaugh was actually being investigated. He commented that in his father's time, it would have been snuffed very early on and, if need be, someone would end up as crab food out in the traps. It was chilling to think how far back mysterious deaths may have happened (before the housekeeper and Steven Smith) as was being suggested. Except the scion was too incompetent to carry it out.

Did Alex have affairs?

Expensive mistress(es), I've read.

I am kind of shocked he wasn’t a bigger womanizer.

Do opioids kill the sex drive?

He’d have to pay me millions to fuck him

^Unless he had the dick of death.

Maggie's sister testified that she through Alex out of the house over an affair.

And a local sex worker has said that she fairly recently before the murders did cocaine with Alex and he was very nice to her. Until they got alone. Then, he turned. Got dead eyes and started to beat her.

Her madam fixed them up again, and when she realized who it was she fled. But she was tracked down and forced to service Alex because the madam had a special relationship with him (i.e., he kept the police off her back in exchange for favors). The sex worker said that Alex was even worse this time. Shoved cloth in her moth and yanked her hair out by the roots.

^ The judge excluded testimony about the roadside shooting but allowed one of Murdaugh's whores to testify about that?

Thanks r141! I obviously haven’t been following all aspects of Alex Murdaugh’s wicked misdeeds close enough.

"have they discussed where all of this money went? Drugs? Gambling?"

There is a rumor that AM was being blackmailed by his crime buddies 🤷‍♀️

I just had to leave the Murdaugh sub. The number of people there claiming there is reasonable doubt just astound me. He was right there with them at the time of the murders . They were killed at his home because he summoned them there that night and killed with his guns . He told many lies about where he was and what he was doing that night. The dogs would have raised hell if anyone else stepped foot on that property and they would have alerted Paul and Maggie to the danger, both of whom had cell phones and both knew how to use a gun, which was available to them. No one else had anything to gain by killing them. Everyone involved in the boating accident was investigated and cleared. It is guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, not ALL doubt. Where the hell is common sense these days?

R145, many people are conditioned by crime fiction to want complex and bizarre solutions to crimes. They forget that in most instances the perpetrator is obvious.

Yes it astonishes me how seemingly intelligent people have such flawed deduction skills. Some are just being contrarians, and can be quite annoying.

R146- True . They also want forensic evidence forgetting that overwhelming circumstantial evidence is equally damning.

Yes, it’s sad how many people tweet they need more proof! It’s all there to see plain as day!.

That whole area of the country is skeeving me out because of the trial.

[quote]Maggie's sister testified that she through Alex out of the house over an affair.

Well, [italic]threw[/italic], but I can't be too snooty because it's the sort of mistake I'd type.

He made Maggie suffer. He made her watch her son getting his brains literally blown out of his head then he circled her, shooting her as she desperately tried to get away.

"That whole area of the country is skeeving me out because of the trial."

The rural areas at least seem to be run by horribly corrupt old-boys networks and from here it seems like the local whites are okay with that because the system at least keeps all the "othered" people in their place. Maybe the cities are like that too, or some are, that was actually a theme in the Datalounge old fave book "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil". The social-climbing Jim Williams killed his trick, and spent the rest of the story being upset that a man in his social position was being prosecuted! He'd expected to be treated like the local elites from the Old Families, their crimes were hushed up as a matter of course.

And that's why the rest of us should shudder in horror when whites from the South talk about "preserving our way of life", their traditional way of life is monstrous, based on a corrupt hierarchy. Democracy is an illusion in places like Hampton County, everything is run by the people like Alex Murdaugh, for the people like Alex Murdaugh.

Blowing a son's head off, with his brain ejected in a lump across the territory, is quite a feat for a father.

Here at the DL we're accustomed to the words "son," "daddy," "blow" and "head" being used together in quite a different context.

His son was lying there dead with his brain lying at his feet . In that moment Alex Murdaugh had the calm presence of mind to take Paul's phone from his pocket to see if he could open it. I just have no words for this.

R152 is condemning millions of people because a lunatic druggie and financial crook did this terrible thing.

That sort of talk is itself a sign of a crank who needs to get a grip and, since she's pretending to be a paragon of justice, some sense of humility, at least.

I don't pardon historical and current American crimes against humanity, or the fascist GOP, or a casual haters, corrupt community leaders and business people. But posting like R152 is an equivalence of the problem, while claiming high ground from within a deep pit shared by people he condemns.

Trump is from NY. Horrible corruption exists in many large American cities. Networks of crooks operate everywhere, proud of their heritages.

There's no solutions in spraying shit across hundreds of thousands of square miles of OUR country.

155- As a life long democrat born and raised in the south, thank you.

r141 this sounds like one of those juicy books they made into a miniseries in the 80's. This story just keeps getting more bizarre.

...cloth in the moth......sexy!

He has the blackest, dead eyes that I have ever seen.

They’ve really got to take care to get it just right when casting AM for the inevitable miniseries.

Casted.

Cleaned up Nick Nolte for AM

Nick Note is too old.

I suggest Matt Damon. They’ll have to ugly him up a bit.

Damon is too short.

I know what you mean R127, I had a boyfriend a!so named Paul and he acted like a punk, and could be mean. He could also be sweet and thoughtful. I just never knew from one day to the next, which Paul I'd get. I really did love him though.

AM is 6'5"

William H. Macy in a fat suit? Or is he too nice?

Every actor on the planet is shorter than AM.

Jessie Plemmons?

[quote]Maggie's sister testified that she through Alex out of the house over an affair.

Why would Maggie’s sister throw him out of his own house?

Oh, DEAR!

Avery Wilks' Twitter feed is on fire today. The Prosecution saved the best stuff for last. Timelines galore.

"Rudofski created a steps/minute pace spreadsheet for Alex and Paul Murdaugh, showing AM’s pace picked up CONSIDERABLY right after the estimated time of the killings."

New revelations: Maggie found Alex's pill stash in May! Her Google search records show her trying to find out what they were.

Alex texted his bud the bank CEO asking for another $600k four days before the murders.

The new OnStar data shows that Alex arrived at the crime scene (supposedly knowing nothing about Paul and Maggie) and called 911 TWENTY SECONDS latter, telling 911 that his wife and son had been shot and that he'd checked both of their pulses.

Honey, that's some fast triage. FEMA should call you.

R170, the information that they have recovered from the phones is astonishing and incredibly damning.

I would never commit a crime because I KNOW I’d overlook some detail. I just don’t have a criminal mind.

But if you were planning a crime, doesn’t it make sense to “walk through” the things an innocent person would be doing? For example, walk up to the bodies, “check them,” etc.

And for fucks sake, park your phone on the sofa if you are supposed to be napping on the sofa!

I wonder if AM had been fantasizing about this for a while, but not really planning. He doesn’t strike me as a planner or organized person in general.

Fat, chaotic, impulsive slob is more like it.

I've learned to never, ever buy a car with OnStar.

Re R171 and Alex's request for a loan of $600K: The $600K Alex was asking for MUST have been the money that he "repaid" Chris Wilson the Faris case attorneys' fees, which he had previously directed Wilson to pay over to him (Alex) directly, instead of making it payable to PIMPED. The total was $792,000 in attorneys fees, paid directly (and improperly) to Alex, who told Wilson he wanted it that way to "structure annuities" which he was conniving to do, in order to hide the money from the Beach family. Wilson blindly did as Alex asked, and then Alex's plot got cocked up and he had to put the money back with Wilson, to keep PIMPED off of his back, to keep them from finding out he was actually stealing it. Alex ultimately did replace EXACTLY $600,000 of the total $792K, and told Wilson he couldn't "come up with" the remaining $192,000 that Wilson had previously handed over to him. At that point, Wilson idiotically volunteered to front that money FOR Alex, and put up his own $192,000 and paid it over to PIMPED, along with the replaced $600,000. (This was taken care of right around the very day of the murders, Alex was using this to get his firm's CFO off of his back). So the firm was made whole, and Wilson undoubtedly never got back a cent of his $192,000 that he had "replaced" as a favor to Alex. So if Alex had indeed gotten the $600K that he handed back to PIMPED from the bank (Palmetto State Bank), then the Bank lost THEIR money as well, and the BIG question is, where did that $792,000 GO?

R177, that, and other evidence, suggests that Alex wasn’t simply stealing money and salting it away. If he had been, he would have been able to pay back his law firm and likely had his misconduct covered up. He would have been able to pay off Miss Maggie, not kill her. No, it sounds like he himself was being leaned on for money by people he couldn’t negotiate with.

The aunt also said how sweet Paul was. I went to school with guys like that, in front of teachers and parents they looked like great guys... but in reality they were nasty bullies.

I don’t think there’s much debate re Paul being a piece of shit.

A stopped clock and all that.

Paul may have been a decent human being with the right kinds of parents. But how could we know? It's a struggle to comprehend such depravity.

This poor guy has a disabled brother and his mother is killed. If Alec was smart he would have given the kid a few thousand to keep him quiet but instead that greedy bastard kept it all. He deserves to go down.

That paralegal was a smart lady, she probably got paid peanuts to be a babysitter to dipshit to make sure he gets his work done. Meanwhile he is stealing money and she is worried about the checks.

So, did AM kill his housekeeper too?

I think Eddie was blackmailing Alex. Alex bought drugs from him but Eddie also knew where the skeletons were. Like the Smith kid, all the thefts, the lies... Alex paid him to keep him quiet over the years. And then got in way too deep. And saving the Murdaugh name was at stake. It was important to AM to save face.

Jeff Daniels with bleached hair could play present day Alex.

[quote]The aunt also said how sweet Paul was.

In fairness, she didn't sound like the type of person who would publically shit on her nephew who, literally, had his brains blown out by his dad.

I also thought she had beautiful skin and hair, which is even more important.

[quote]I went to school with guys like that, in front of teachers and parents they looked like great guys... but in reality they were nasty bullies.

The Eddie Haskell Hypothesis.

It seems pretty clear to me that Paul was a decent kid except when he was drunk, and then he turned into an oblivious monster. It's not at all an uncommon thing for young alcoholics to behave like this. Severe alcoholism is not something that you necessarily have to "grow into," plenty of people just can't handle alcohol at any point in their lives. It's totally genetic. It seems clear that Paul/Timmy was headed for severe problems with alcoholism had he lived. His friends probably thought it was "funny" or "cute" at that age, but they had no idea what it was that they were viewing so lightheartedly. I knew quite a few kids at that age with the same problem, the guys would all turn violent as soon as they'd had a few beers. All of em ended up terrible drunks. It's biology.

Clearly Paul had already crossed the line into “severe alcoholism” as he caused the boating accident and a young girl’s death.

Not clear at all. Anybody the slightest bit tipsy is fully capable of causing a fatal car or boat accident. Happens every day, all over the country.

[quote]It seems pretty clear to me that Paul was a decent kid except when he was drunk, and then he turned into an oblivious monster.

I think this is revisionism. There was plenty of evidence that Paul was an obnoxious, spoiled brat when sober.

One of the neighbors talked about being at the beauty parlor with Maggie and Paul cursing out his mother in a way that shocked her.

And Maggie didn't reprimand him. Just like she and Alex said nothing when he was drunk as a kid. Such horrible parents.

[quote]Anybody the slightest bit tipsy is fully capable of causing a fatal car or boat accident.

The evidence was that Paul was rip-roarin' drunk. And that he was often that way.

And he would show physical signs of being drunk. His hands would seize over and he would hold them in odd ways.

This was a kid who had been drinking HARD from a very early age with his parents enabling.

I AM ma.

R191, that is true. But when your friends give a name to the alternate personality that emerges when you drink, you probably do have a serious problem.

Jennie Garth IS Miss Maggie.

Can they ugly up Ian Ziering to play Ellick?

[R185] Well, he spared Paul's face according to the pathologist.

Buster was not in court yesterday. I don't blame him for wanting to extend his holiday weekend.

Bitch better have my money

Y'all should know me well enough

Bitch better have my money

Please don't call me on my bluff

Pay me what you owe me

Ballin' bigger than LeBron

Bitch, give me your money

Who y'all think y'all frontin' on?

Sunday evening, 02/19, CNN aired several hours of documentaries about the Murdaugh family and the deaths surrounding them.

SOME (not many) people are now talking... damn, this is a true southern gothic tale - it seems the entire community was fearful of the Murdaugh clan.

And honestly, some people seem to be living with PTSD, unable to acknowledge how horrific the Murdaugh's were in the region.

Buster is up testifying now.....in the defence.

Buster lived to the age of 26 without knowing when his father's birthday is. Real close family!

With that father he’s lucky he lived to 26.

No shit, R202.

This is from a DM article about the Netflix documentary where Paul's girlfriend was interviewed. Could this possibly be motive for Alex to kill the housekeeper?

[QUOTE]She also recalled how the family's housekeeper, Gloria Satterfield, had found bags of pills belonging to Alex Murdaugh, who was addicted to opioids, and told Paul about it the same year she died from a fall at their estate.

Looks like Alex is going to testify. The defense is trying to block any questions about his financial crimes.

"He just wasn't a good rule-follower at all."

A former friend and law partner of Alex appeared as a defense witness, but was happy to testify about what an incredible liar and thief Alex was. He thinks Alex embezzled as much as $11 million.

^He also helpfully added that Alex had told him THREE times that he had not gone down to those kennels at all on the night of the murders. I'd say the defense has actually got NOTHING to help Alex's position in this case, they are just putting up a symbolic fight. It is unbelievable to me that a jury of reasonable people could believe that this creep didn't do this. The ONLY problem with the case is the motive. What did this idiot hope to gain by killing his wife and son? It's nuts.

And WHERE is the money coming from to pay Big Dick Harpootlian, and all of his merry men, the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of DOLLARS they are charging Paw for this representation? WHERE is Alex's money hidden?

[quote]Buster lived to the age of 26 without knowing when his father's birthday is.

That was a really stupid question by Alex's defense attorney.

The first rule for questioning witnesses: Never ask a question you don't know the answer to.

Jim Griffin should have found out if Buster knew his father's birthday in prep.

Asking that stupid, unnecessary question put a big dent in the whole "close family" theme of his direct examination.

[quote]The ONLY problem with the case is the motive.

I think the problem with motive is that it is difficult to believe that someone can be as evil as Alex.

But motive is not necessary to convict. It just helps.

I take an interest in true crime cases now and then but this one is so fucking boring.

Drug addicted, criminal thief-dad kills mom and son for the insurance and immediately gets caught. I don't get where this is gripping in any way. I've seen the huge headlines from the case in the Daily Fail. It's not sparking any additional interest in me. He's guilty, everyone knows it - even the son who sticks up for him knows. It's not a tricky case to figure out.

They keep pushing it in the Daily Fail and someone on the DL keeps pushing it too. I suppose they don't have a more interesting case going now so they just talk about this nothingburger? I'll be glad when this is over and the murdering dad is put away for the rest of his life but it's not compelling enough to pay more attention to it.

How's that Delphi killer freak? Now that's an interesting case!

Well, from my armchair lawyer position and after years of a=watching Law & Order, I think the bigger problem(s) are the lack of blood spattered/covered/drenched clothing (with the remains of Paul's brains and that the weapons have not been found.

This is a circumstantial case, nothing more. HOPEFULLY there are 12 jurors who can overlook the lack of evidence and decide Pa is guilty. T-W-E-L-V-E. Not one good ole boy in the bunch? Really?

^The housekeeper testified that the shirt Alex had on that evening disappeared and she never saw it again. The guns he certainly hauled away and disposed of. Who would leave them at the scene? And the cops didn't even search his house, apparently, or test the shower drains for blood. The housekeeper found a wet towel and khaki slacks the following morning and just WASHED them. The cops had not secured the house. I don't have any problem about the clothes, blood spatters or the guns. It's his lies, his attempts to concoct alibi testimony from the housekeeper and the mother's sitter, and the devastating timing of the 911 call, reflected in the OnStar and cell phone records, TWENTY SECONDS after he pulled up the driveway to the house and turned the car off (still "believing that everything was OK at home). There is NO DOUBT he did this, all by himself.

R211, true crime shows have convinced people that only DNA evidence can be "real" evidence, when that's absolutely not true. All of the facts here, including the cell phone and OnStar data, add up to Alex being the killer. He was a pathological liar whose whole world had just imploded: his embezzlement couldn't be covered up any longer, his wife was going to file for divorce and had just realized he was a drug addict. He'd lost control of the situation. Of course he did it.

The Netflix doc was not as good as the HBO doc.

Buster testified that his Dad did 'self-detox' at home several times......from Oxy? How gullible were they!?

The Netflix doc ends with AM asking Buster 'are Netflix doing something on us?'

A former law partner of accused killer Alex Murdaugh testified Wednesday that police investigating the killing of Murdaugh’s wife and son did a shoddy job clearing the scene, even leaving behind a piece of a skull “the size of a baseball.”

That same defense witness said Alex was a "jackass" and that you can't believe anything he says.

When will Stephen Smith get justice?

Brown, pinstriped suit. Have not seen such a thing in years. It is an unattractive shade of brown.

"...his wife was going to file for divorce and had just realized he was a drug addict."

Obviously he killed his wife to spare himself the trouble of a divorce, if she knew he was a drug addict as well as a thief she'd have blackmailed him into a massive settlement.

But why murder Paul, if the murder was indeed premeditated? I can't imagine that Alex would have a problem with his son being a sociopath who killed people, that two-legged hyena might actually be proud of having a "chip off the old block". Was it because of open disrespect or disobedience? Was it because the son was supporting his mother as the marriage fell apart? Was the old creep truly desperate for another life insurance settlement? Because like I've said all along, a lot of the money Alex stole is unaccounted for, and I don't think it's all in overseas secret accounts. I think someone was bleeding him for big bucks.

Paul probably represented another life insurance payout to him and, frankly, the kid's issues had become a nuisance to the family which was subject to Mallory Beach's family lawsuit, discovery, etc. Ridding himself of two birds, one stone he thought would be a big payout and relief. He probably thought the Beach family would knock off the lawsuit against him and Buster out of pity, or something. (Alex owned the boat. Buster provided his ID for Paul to continue drinking before getting back on the boat) In another time, maybe only 20 years ago, he'd still be practicing law as Alexander Murdaugh, Esq. and screwing every client in sight.

Defense attorneys seem incompetent, like they didn’t spend time with their witnesses before the trial. They should never have had that attorney/witness up there, all pissed off about the embezzlement.

As far as paying the defense attorneys, Pa may have used real estate to secure the debt.

I don’t think he’ll take the stand but I will have 🍿ready.

"Defense attorneys seem incompetent..."

Maybe the defense attorneys are part of the corrupt local legal system, the Old Boy's Club Murdaugh expected to cover up his crimes, but they united to throw him under the bus.

I suspect there's a lot more malfeasance going on that we haven't heard about, like I said above, perhaps some other SOB has been bleeding lots of Murdaugh's stolen money away. I also suspect that the fix is in, that Murdaugh is going to jail for a long time no matter what, and *somehow* he's been convinced not to take his colleagues in corruption down with him. Who knows how, maybe they told him that if he even thinks about talking, he's going to be immediately Epsteined.

R223, the directors of the Netflix show said that they had uncovered evidence of more crimes than they could possibly include in their show.

Those folks that worked for him were brave not to corroborate his lies.

R223, I think this is only the tip of the iceberg - I'd bet there is a shitload of various crimes going on down there, including trafficking of whatever can be trafficked. The defense is there to keep the lid on. Interesting that his former law partner said "I don't know this Alex" --- and then think of Paul's persona of "Timmy."

Buster sounded quite wooden and apprehensive on the stand, he's not sure who to trust. Sounded stilted, and I attribute that to him not knowing at all, what NOT to say and what is OK. The most inhibited witness so far.

However Buster may have been inhibited, it didn't keep Pa Murdaugh from delivering an appreciative butt slap to his kid, leaving many to wonder how Murdaugh got so close...

I love how the friends and family say how "sweet" he was. The DM article said that Paul physically abused his girlfriend and had gotten into trouble for drunk driving.

The only life insurance on this family was on Alex. Maggie nor Paul had life insurance.

[quote]As far as paying the defense attorneys, Pa may have used real estate to secure the debt.

Nothing that Alex "owns" is his anymore, equitably speaking. He stole at least 6 million dollars in client trust account money. The liens created by those thefts are legally precedent to any need for any personal use of that money, EVEN IF one is on trial for murder. Paw doesn't have a pot to piss in, he is WIPED OUT. The only issue is WHERE is his money really stashed, and who is accessing it for him, since he can't get to it from jail. (I'd hold smarmy little Buster upside down by the legs and start shaking, if it was me, see what falls out of his pockets.)

On the other hand, since this trial is about as notorious as the one for OJ, maybe Harpootlian and his posse feel that just the publicity from conducting this representation on tv and the internet is priceless to them in terms of future clients on down the road and so they are doing it without much expectation of being paid. If Alex is convicted, his appeals will be LONG and VERY expensive, and no attorney is going to do that work for free, there is no glamour to it. (As was about to happen with Amber Heard in the Johnny Depp mess, before it was wisely settled).

There was testimony that AM could be heard on Paul's phone, along with Maggie. What gets me, is, that means they were laughing as a family one minute and then he kills them the next. Unmitigated evil.

Well, we have cast our “Alex Murdaugh”

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Molly R. in a blonde fright wig as Miss Maggie!

The defense's expert witness said the shooter was 5'2". What a joke. Really? Also the defense just announced Alex will testify, probably today. This should be good.

LOL, as if you can't hold a shotgun at hip height and shoot it.

^ I'm sure Alex could. He was an avid hunter and gun aficionado.

Get the popcorn ready!

The prosecution must be salivating at the mere thought of cross-examining Alex. He should be easy to trip up. Then again, never underestimate.

[QUOTE]maybe Harpootlian and his posse feel that just the publicity from conducting this representation on tv and the internet is priceless to them in terms of future clients on down the road

I don't know if Casey Anthony's parents paid him anything, but this is essentially what happened to Jose Baez. He was a local defense attorney whose career exploded afterwards. He represented Aaron Hernandez and his family and Harvey Weinstein sought him out. I occasionally see his name attached to other cases with national interest.

So he IS testifying, just as I speculated he would do, way up above. It proves they're desperate, and having no way to actually defend this killer, to let this totally corrupt criminal get up and try to convince a jury that he's telling the truth when he denies ANYTHING, much less the abrupt murder of his wife and son...He had NO HOPE of acquittal otherwise. He's going to spend the rest of his life in jail anyway, whether he fools this jury or not. If he were found not guilty, I can't see a Judge letting him out of jail on bond, pending the trial(s) on the other 99 fucking charges, due to the fact that they caught him (and he admitted to) staging his own "suicide." He's a proven "flight risk," LOL...

I hope they ask him to outline for the Court all the steps he has taken affirmatively to assist in finding and capturing the actual killers of Maggie and Paul.

AM is actually on the stand right now, and he's really pouring on the emotion. He's crying and saying he didn't kill them. He said he was on drugs and confused. I thought Defense Lawyers only liked to put their clients on the stand in cases of self defense? This should be good, when the Prosecution cross examines him.

^Imagine them asking the jury to believe ANYTHING that comes out of this asshole's mouth.

She is giving quite the performance!

On drugs, confused and paranoid isn't the best defense one could come up with if accused of a double murder.

His lawyers want to let Alex hang himself with his own rope, so that when he's convicted he'll have no one but himself to blame for the shittiness of his defense.

I know R243, he's utterly unbelievable.

Ok the tiny little glasses.hanging on the end of his beak and the snot running out of his nose tells me he's trying to distract the jury by grossing them out.

What a mess

Alex, we're tired of your bullshit. Go to your cell and STAY THERE.

Did Buster ever come out of the closet?

I wish I could watch it. 😥

My elderly mother said "That black eyed bastard is testifying, gotta go" and she hung up on me.

In the closing arguments, the prosecuting attorney is going to talk about Alex's denials that he committed the murders, and then he's going to reel off a list of all the LIES that Alex Murdaugh has told about all the crimes he's been caught in, in connection with this case. It's going to be a very long list. He's totally, inherently not believable on ANY ISSUE.

If only Maggie would have kept her figure. Husbands kill dumpy wives.

Sarah Paulson IS Maggie!

I want to sit with R253's mother.

Alex is so convinced of his ability to bullshit anyone and everyone, I'm sure he begged to testify. He thinks that he can bamboozle good number of jurors.

You better believe it, r255.

The prosecution can grill Alex about the whereabouts of the green shirt he was wearing that evening, what happened to it? What about him badgering the housekeeper and the mother's night nurse to lie about his whereabouts, the length of the visit, offering them bribes to lie for him (subornation of perjury) etc? The fake "suicide" attempt, weren't you REALLY going to kill Eddie Smith on the roadside and then claim that he was in fact trying to murder the whole family, and had also killed Maggie and Paul? They have enough directly relevant material to grill this creep all afternoon and most of the next day. It's unbelievable what the prosecution can do to this defendant, now that Murdaugh has so stupidly made himself fair game.

Buster has such a punchable face. Stephen Smith will never get justice.

I hope Alec Murdaugh and his remaining ugly son get the death penalty. It's sure Buster killed Stephen Smith to shut him up.

Death penalty is not on the table for Alex, the State decided this before Xmas. It's life without parole he's facing, I am pretty sure.

What did he do with the $10 million he stole from clients?

Drugs and acting classes, R263.

I don't see any reason to put Pa on the witness stand. Yes, you usually put the defendant up there if he's claiming self-defense. I think Pa's mind is still addled by drugs, plus he's an asshole.

Everyone—meaning the NYTimes, CNN, etc.— has been live-streaming Alex’s testimony. Apparently he claimed that the drugs made him lie constantly.

R255, husbands kill wives to avoid forking over $$$$ for alimony

Madonna could play Maggie.

And because they get dumpy.

Madonna is too old to play Maggie.

They are breaking for lunch until 2:45pm.

He didn't kill her because she was "dumpy" - he knew she was going to go digging into his finances and then his "secrets" would come out

People are calling Maggie "dumpy" but not Alex?!!

Watching Pa testify on the stand now. Live on Court TV

I guess all it takes is one juror to buy the load of crap Alex is tearfully shoveling and at least get a hung jury.

I think his plan was to kill Maggie to avoid the divorce and having his finances investigated. He set it up to take out Paul with her since it was plausible it was a revenge killing for Mallory Beach's death, and it would look like Maggie was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The most enlightening thing I learned from this trial is that if I am going to commit a crime, do not have my phone with me, and do not drive anywhere before or right after the crime has been committed. GPS is the new DNA evidence.

R239 No. Jose Baes was disbarred.

^That is not what happened. He is an attorney today and has been practicing continuously since the Casey Anthony case.

^Sorry. You're right. I got him mixed up with the Prosecutor on the Jody Arias case

I think Jose Baez wasn't very experienced at the Casey Anthony trial, but I think he was zealous and the jury liked him. An investigator claims that Casey paid Baez with sex, which if true, is disgusting.

Cross examination started

^And illegal, re R279

Why did they take the death penalty off the table? They could have used it as leverage to get him to confess for life.

The prosecution’s cross has begun…

It's a big puzzlement, R282. If any crime ever deserved it, surely this one does. I am certain that his connections (and lily whiteness) played a big part. I had thought that attorney Harpootlian was just a doddering old fool, but I subsequently read that he is said to be one of the very most powerful Democratic politicians in South Carolina, and those District Attorney positions are elected offices, so...

If he's guilty what was his motive?

R285 Read the fucking thread.

Sarah Paulson as Maggie and Pedro Pascal as Ellick!

They won’t resemble the real life players, but at least we’ll get some eye candy.

Carrot Top, your comeback is calling!

[quote]On drugs, confused and paranoid isn't the best defense one could come up with if accused of a double murder.

But it will make for a great cliff hanger on episode 6!

Allan Kayser (Bubba on Mama's Family) might fit into the cast of gingers.

Those poor people he fucked over!!!

Rot in hell. He DESERVES DEATH.😡

Prosecutors got this. 💯

R285 money: the wife was going to divorce him and the son was going to get him bankrupt with a settlement to the family of the girl who got killed on his boat.

This WaPo article contains a detail I hadn’t known before: it was the boat accident that led to the exposure of Alex’s financial crimes and, in turn, the murders. Mallory’s family was incredulous when told that the Murdaughs did not have the money to pay a settlement and their lawyer demanded that Alex disclose his bank records. That triggered the discovery of his financial shenanigans, and presumably that led to Maggie thinking she needed to leave.

^The financial records were supposed to be produced on Thursday, June 10th, by court order. The murders were on Monday, June 7th, in the evening, after A's law firm CFO had asked him about the strangely missing $792,000 they had been supposed to be paid in connection with A's work on the "Faris Case" with attorney Chris Wilson. Of course, that missing money is what set this all in motion. A was attempting to STEAL that money from his law firm and to conceal it in annuities (supposedly) to hide if from discovery by the Beach family's lawyer.

Notice that Alex has been wailing and carrying on about how his severe drug addiction kept him from thinking clearly and from being able to be truthful with law enforcement about his not having been at the kennels, blah, blah, blah. Have they so much as hinted that Alex's doctor might actually appear to testify about the extent of Alex's drug addiction, and its supposed effects on his memory and behavior? The drug addiction narrative could EASILY be total bullshit, it is only something Alex is TALKING ABOUT, unsupported by ANY medical evidence at this point. He went to rehab, supposedly. ANYONE can go to rehab and claim that they are incapacitated by drug use. Even medical testimony doesn't prove anything about this, but without it, legally, what Alex is claiming is just so much BULLSHIT. Think about it.

Susan Boyle is Ma. It'll be her Jennifer Hudson moment.

Well, that was pretty spectacular. The blue lights, badges, hurting the people he loves. Looking forward to tomorrow. Glad the DA wouldn’t be rushed.

Rarely do we get to see someone born with a silver spoon in their mouth, with so many gifts of advantage, prestige, and wealth, screw up so spectacularly.

To see him speak with relative calm in the face of a Shakespearean tragedy of his own making is fascinating. He appears to have accepted his fate except for being able to own up to the murder of wife and son. A shame even he can't admit.

I'm loving the family nicknames. I've traveled in that area. It's a really lovely place. Explored the lowlands, the twisting inlets and tiny towns. Went on a ghost walk in a history drenched cemetery with a charming young guide. Little did I know when I last visited the seeds of tragedy were sprouting in that family.

I often think back to the times when my own family was intact, parents and grandparents alive, siblings full of dreams of the future. Now the older ones are dead and the memories treasured. Murdaugh had a rich family life, destroyed now by his own mistakes, the future to be lived in a lonely cell.

Will the prosecution have a chance to cross examine? I haven't been able to watch the proceedings today. Yesterday his attorney asked that AM be able to testify without being cross examined. The Judge said absolutely not. I was surprised to him on the stand when I got home.

R299, he is being cross-examined, it will begin again tomorrow morning.

Thank you ^^

R294, I hadn’t put all that together. I now understand the testimony of Maggie’s sister, who said that all Alex talked about after the murders was his continuing quest to “clear Paul’s name.” Not finding the killer, not protecting himself, just “clearing Paul’s name”. For Alex, getting rid of Maggie and Paul was just a start—he had to shut down the Beach family’s lawsuit before it did any more damage.

I saw Miley's (Connor Cook's gf) parents sitting in the front row today. It's unbelievable how much destruction Alex and his son Paul brought to this small community.

Well, don't trust your soul to no backwoods, southern lawyer 'Cause the judge in the town's got bloodstains on his hands'

R298 My goodness, you write such lovely prose! And no, I’m not being snarky - your comment is wonderfully evocative!

That’s some good advice, r304.

But I can’t get rid of this nagging feeling that it sounds so familiar.

R304, someone needs to do a parody version of that song to make it about the Murdaughs and put it up on YouTube

[quote] Yesterday his attorney asked that AM be able to testify without being cross examined. The Judge said absolutely not.

What a dumb question. Of course the prosecutor gets to cross-examine him. His attorneys really are dumb.

I think I need this shirt

I don't care how much of a piece of shit your son is, but blowing his head off is beyond psychopathic.

^And in front of the child’s mother. Maggie saw her son get his brains blown out. Literally.

^Alex.

Alex had a nice long va-cay-cay in that "rehab" facility in GA, a time when he was protected from the law, and could consider the terrible legal trouble he was in, and how he could best defend himself against the murder charges that were CERTAINLY heading his way. He wasn't able to come up with any better bullshit than saying, "Oh, I was so confused because of, uh, drugs." The story of Alex's drug addiction could easily be nothing buy LIES, and considering the extensive criminality of this creature in so many areas, anybody who believes anything coming out of his mouth is nothing but a fool.

[299] His lawyers' request to the court was not the that he be allowed to testify without being cross-examined. His lawyer was trying to limit the scope of the cross examination, so that the jury would not hear of the financial misdeeds of which Alex is accused. Their argument was that, since they have not yet been litigated, bringing them up in this trial would be prejudicial. I think the judge told his attorneys (in polite judicial terms, of course) to go pack sand.

And what exactly is Dick Harpootlian (great name, every time one of the commentators mentions it, I giggle like a 7 year old...'Har-POOT-lian," tee hee)...what exactly is Hartpootlian bringing to the table"? Most of the cross examinations I've seen have been conducted by other counsel. And they have been less than stellar in that regard. The attorney handling the cross on Tinsley (the Beach family attorney) was getting his low country panties all knotted about the number of motions in the Beach civil action that had yet to be ruled on by the court just 3 months before the trial was scheduled to begin. Tinsley answered his questions as one might explain things to aa very dim 7-year old and gave him some serious side eye. If rolling your eyes made noise, that court room would have sounded like a castanet factory....

This will be a hung jury. 2 of the Jurors were crying. They didn't move the venue of the trial either. Just my opinion. I hope the prosecutor makes it good in cross examination.

I gotta say this is one trial that I wouldn’t be shocked ended in a mistrial. That family’s roots run deep.

The prosecution asks a yes or no question and allows Murdaugh to ramble on and on with his answer. He should be told only a yes or no is required. Otherwise, he's going to be there forever.

AM is leading this prosecutor around by the nose. Prosecutor has no idea how to handle a borderline such as AM. Its a joke.

I think he’s still an active addict.

Waters wants to establish that Murdaugh can say he loves and cares about the people he cheated but he did it anyway. Everything leads to "you can destroy people you care about, that's why you were able to murder Maggie and Paul" but Waters is dragging it out so that the rope he gives Murdaugh hangs the prosecution instead.

Waters has a reputation for loving details but he's overlooking the fact that the majority of the people probably find the repetition of these details boring and tedious.

AM said he was taking 2000mg of Oxy a day. How is he not dead!

[quote]The prosecution asks a yes or no question and allows Murdaugh to ramble on and on with his answer. He should be told only a yes or no is required. Otherwise, he's going to be there forever.

Speak with any lawyer before testifying and they will tell you to answer the question—and only the question—and then STFU. Don’t be intimidated by silence, silence is good. Apparently, Murdaugh wasn’t given this advice and is afraid of silence so he adds details that weren’t asked. It’s a cross-examiner’s dream.

Who is Paw-Paw, his father? Speak English, man.

R323 Paul.

Paw Paw is his son Paul. When Alex is in hot water he apparently comes up with every infantile name he can think of.

[quote]Waters has a reputation for loving details but he's overlooking the fact that the majority of the people probably find the repetition of these details boring and tedious.

The repetition is good and is for a reason. You will not get another bite at the apple. If you only bring up one or two times where he cheated and lied to a client who he otherwise cared for and the defense brings it up in final summation by dismissing it as an aberration of one or two people, you don’t get the chance to tell the jury, “No, there were eighteen more other instances of him doing it. We were just too stupid to ask about all the others because we thought it would bore you.”

Remember, when F. Lee Bailey was going to cross examine Fuhrman, people thought it was going to be legendary, Bailey being a masterful cross examiner, yet afterwards most ‘experts’ claimed he didn’t lay a glove on him and it was anticlimactic. Too much TV watching I guess. In reality, Bailey’s cross was masterful and laid the groundwork for the perjury and subsequent charging of Fuhrman.

[quote]The prosecution asks a yes or no question and allows Murdaugh to ramble on and on with his answer. He should be told only a yes or no is required.

You rarely, if ever, shut up a hostile witness. Especially a defendant taking the stand. Let him rattle on all day long. It can only help you.

Your own client on the other hand….

It’s. The “I shot the sheriff but I didn’t shoot his deputy” defense?

Yes I am a lying cheating drug addicted thief, but I’m NOT a murderer!

The fact he's completely changed his alibi and story and only revealed this yesterday, completely shreds his credibility. He is faltering now in being able to account for what he actually did that evening at the pivotal time when Paul and Miss Maggie were murdered.

"... I took the chicken from Bubba's mouth then I took another shower..."

Who are these people, Jesus...

R321, especially when you consider that a lot of Oxy pills are counterfeit and laced with fentanyl.

He said he didn't tell law enforcement that he checked or touched them before calling 911. Prosecutor plays video of the tape where he clearly said he checked on them before calling. OOPS!

Damn. Dude sho' is ugly.

If Redmond O'Neal had a demon baby with Prince Harry....

So the wife and son were outside and he came out of his car blasting. Fuck.

How did he not hear two shotgun blasts and 6 shots from an AR 15 rifle when he's not even 1/4 mile away in his recliner.

Surprised that he did this himself and didn't hire someone else to do the dirty work (like most rich people do).

Does anyone else wonder if there was a second shooter?

I had wondered how he handled the two different guns simultaneously, but after hearing testimony that the shots came from a little over 5 feet above the ground, I think he was on the ATV. It explains the height differential, as well as having both guns at hand.

[quote]I don't care how much of a piece of shit your son is, but blowing his head off is beyond psychopathic.

Goodness, how judgy!

I think he definitely should rot in prison for many reasons but killing his wife and son was a favor to us all. It's just a shame he didn't successfully off his other worthless offspring and himself

He was broke, r336.

Besides, the more people involved, the easier it is to get caught.

I think all the drug talk is going to backfire. The jurors will think he had no moral compass and would, in fact, kill his own wife and child.

Any attorney who had hired someone to kill his family for him, or with him, would have automatically become the hired accomplice's slave. Alex is clearly pretty stupid, but he's not stupid enough not to have had that much figured out.

He's now saying someone on social media did it.

I hate his voice. He's an annoying goblin.

I'm enjoying the prosecutor's quips. He told Murdaugh how easy and naturally it is for him to lie and Murdaugh said that's not for me to judge. Prosecuter said "That's true." LOL.

The prosecutor should watch out about calling Pa a "liar" directly like that. It's possible cause for mistrial. There are ways you can show the jury someone's lying without causing a mistrial.

Hold on for a minute.

The defendant is accused of stealing millions from his clients (for decades), insurance fraud, killing a former employee for the insurance policy payout, killing his wife and son and was on stage (in court) confessing his addiction to oxytocin made him more productive?

Just when you thank it couldn't get any worse, it do.

Ohhh prosecutor just asked him if he was a family annihilator?

The face on Pa!

Did Pa ask if the prosecutor meant Murdaugh’s own family or someone else’s family?

That is (or was) possibly one of the ugliest family of people I've ever seen.

So I’m a liar, what’s your point?

I’m sick to death of hearing Alex say “Maggie” “Pa Pa” and “I always wanted her to come home”.

Don't think the Prosecution delivered a fatal blow

No r355. Too many open ended questions allowing Alex to ramble on and on in his lawyer, experienced courtroom self to sew doubt in the jury’s mind whether he’s guilty of murder.

Question: Why do these lowlander people pronounce Alex's name as "Ellick?" My name is Alex. I grew up in East Texas. My grandfather and all my older teachers called me "Ellick," which I hated. I got in trouble for correcting one old teacher. I thought it was some old timey thing that had passed. Clearly not.

Anybody here read Faulkner? If so, you know this shit didn't start with Alex. It started with great-grand pappy Murdaugh, and the sins of the father have been visited on each generation. I'm also guessing there's a fair bit of incest tossed in, which would explain PawPaw's heavy drinking and Bustah's confused sexuality and allegiance.

He had pills in his pocket that night?

Not guilty!

They place themselves up there as pillars of society and identity as God fearing Christians and this is what they are up to

Yes, that’s why you can’t trust Christians.

R358, Pa and Ma were *officially* 3rd cousins. Which in that part of SC means they're actually first cousins.

I called my old mom during the court lunch break and asked her what she thought of his testimony, she said "I'm 93 years old, that's the first time I've ever given the TV the finger, I hate him".

[quote]to sew doubt in the jury’s mind

A cross-stitch maybe?

Oh, dear!

[quote]Too many open ended questions allowing Alex to ramble on and on in his lawyer, experienced courtroom self to sew doubt in the jury’s mind whether he’s guilty of murder.

Seriously? He openly admitted to looking people in the eye and stealing from them, lying to them and admitted he lied being at the crime scene, that he lied to investigators, etc. supposedly because he was a drug-addled lunatic. Couple that with all the other evidence in this case and you think the jury won’t make a leap to murdering people and lying about it?

Is it any wonder our justice system is fucked? You could have idiots on any jury.

I swear some of you have never stepped foot in a courtroom in your life and are waiting for the “Perry Mason moment.” That doesn’t happen in real life. The prosecutor did an exceptional job of cross examining him and will pull it all together in his final summation.

I want to see more if the hot prosecutor with the beard.

There's been too much coughing in the courtroom.

[quote]his addiction to oxytocin made him more productive?

Production? Buster and Paul were adults; how much of Pa's breast milk could they possibly need?

In any case, that would be prolactin. Oxytocin just causes contractions which eject the milk.

He only changed his story about not being with them seconds before they were killed because so many people identified him on Paul's video.

So his excuse "It was the pills. I was paranoid of law enforcement" for lying makes no sense.

He continued to lie about not being at the kennels to friends/family and after he got sober.

Innocent people don't lie about their whereabouts during a murder.

And Innocent people don't throw off law enforcement's timeline about the murders if they REALLY want the killer(s) to be caught.

They say, "They must have been murdered MINUTES before I left. That is driving me crazy. If I had stayed another minute I could have maybe protected them. And it creeps me out to know someone was there watching us. But at least we have narrowed the time down to seconds."

well Oxytocin is known as a “feel-good” hormone so maybe it did help his productivity 😂

Didn't he admit that Maggie, Paul, and he went to a ball game and he was in the hotel room detoxing the weekend before the murders?

If he was going thru withdrawal the next day, that would explain some of his behavior. He said he was sweating a lot.

They need to call in a doctor of rebuttal to testify about whether someone can take that much oxy and live, much less poop.

Oxycontin, bitches.

[quote] I called my old mom during the court lunch break and asked her what she thought of his testimony, she said "I'm 93 years old, that's the first time I've ever given the TV the finger, I hate him".

We need to hear more commentary like this.

Didn't Rush Limpballs score drugs illegally by using his Mexican maid's prescription?

[quote]I called my old mom during the court lunch break

What does your new mom think?

I once had a patient with chronic pain, who had a prescription for over 1000mg a day, and he was alive. And still in pain.

All the testimony re the effects of drug addiction in this case is coming from the accused murderer. There is NO requirement to believe that he is telling the truth. Where are his doctors? Where is there real medical evidence? It still wouldn't PROVE anything, but without it, Alex is just LYING as far as I'm concerned. And R369 is correct, this change in A's story about whether or not be went to the kennels is NOT the result of him subsequently recovering from addiction, it is purely a made-up excuse once he realized that Paul's video existed exposing the fact that he had lied many, many times to many people about not having ever gone down to the kennels before he "discovered" the bodies. HORSESHIT.

Why was Alex afraid of law enforcement? The local police had helped the family for years and years.

Hearing him slobber about all the drugs he takes and how productive drug taking makes him infuriates. It only confirms that he is beyond redemption and uses drug addiction to try to escape justice.

More likely second cousins R362. Therefore not incest.

Good thing I'm not a juror on this one. I would've shouted, "GUILTY" from the jury box the every time I heard him say, 'Paw Paw'.

"Why was Alex afraid of law enforcement? "

I don't think he was, I think he was confident that his cronies and connections would hush up his obvious involvement, and that's why he was so careless at the crime scene.

He fully expected to get away with it, IMHO, and must have been shocked, SHOCKED, when his cronies united to throw him under the bus. And I still wonder how they managed to keep him from taking them all down with him.

If he hadn't embezzled and spent all his money on pills, maybe these cronies would have covered up what happened. He has nothing left to offer anyone.

[quote]"Why was Alex afraid of law enforcement? "

[quote]I don't think he was….

I think that poster’s question was rhetorical since Murdaugh testified he was paranoid and afraid of the police, which is why he lied about being there.

He has a murderous glint in his eyes.

[quote]I called my old mom during the court lunch break and asked her what she thought of his testimony, she said "I'm 93 years old, that's the first time I've ever given the TV the finger, I hate him".

I think we should start a new DL thread series called: "Ask R363's Old Mom" - Not unlike "Ask the Fruitcake Lady":

Someone is being a nuisance with their pedantic jokes.

I don’t find the jokes very pedantic at all.

I think a candlelit dinner and a nice poem are much more pedantic.

AM looks more like 64 than 54. He sho is ugly.

How to spot a fraud

The son admitted going on a family trip two weeks after his mom and brother were shot to death? Whatever, dude. You belong in the slammer with dad.

I bet he’s got a case of skin cancer in his future.

I'm seeing too many gullible idiots saying he's innocent. Often they say "I just don't think he would do it." So, your lack of imagination allows you to completely ignore the video, the cell phone info, the OnStar info, and the fact that Alex lied about it ALL. Amazing.

No fucking wonder Trump got elected. People are fucking stupid. Your intelligence and world experience limits your ability to understand the real world. I'm sure there are at least two such idiots on the jury. He's gonna walk, or get a hung jury.

I apologize if this has already been answered here... Why is there a black cloth/curtain behind the witness stand?

How many people has he killed before this?

2. Stephen Smith and that housekeeper.

I find it incredible Maggie and Buster knew nothing about those past deaths. Surely Maggie knew AM was a dangerous man.

Maggie's phone was found along the side of the road in the exact place and the exact time as Alex's car when he passed that spot. Pants on fire. I think the jury will be hung unless the reasonable jurors are able to convince the ignorant ones of his guilt. Maybe if they tell them that Alex is a Democrat. True Sociopath.

I think Alex needed to get rid of PawPaw for various reasons. But, he knew that if he did, Maggie would completely know it was Alex that did it. So, in addition to the "little detective" he had no choice but to off Mags.

He knew Buster was so thick and or sociopathic like him that he could live on.

Paw Paw is a stupid nickname for a son. It’s generally the grandfather who gets this name. Guilty on this alone.

Looking at the maps of the area, there appear to be only 2 reasonable ways to drive from Moselle to Varnville, where Alex's mother lives. By taking the one that appears to be most direct, you cross over what looks to be one very large creek. I wonder if anyone has examined the creek bottom on either side of the bridges across that creek? Alex is CERTAINLY a stupid enough killer to have lobbed those 2 rifles into the water there.

R394

I believe it’s because there is a portrait of AM’s great-grandpappy hanging there and they didn’t want the jurors to have to look at it every day while his descendants testified. You can’t make this up.

I don't understand anyone who says the prosecution is not doing a good job. I think they are exposing him as a habitual liar, manipulator, etc. and making it sound like he's probably lying right now. I want this motherfucker to burn in hell.

I think the prosecutor does have to let him ramble a bit. Once he starts repeating something he already said, then you can tell him to shut up about that and do some real cross-examination.

Jodi Arias was long-winded and rambling when she testified on her own behalf. IMO, she looked psychopathic and nutty, up there talking like she was at a cotillion. Meanwhile, Juan Martinez (now disbarred) is having an aneurysm. But he got a conviction.

However, Jodi's rambling did seem to help her. At least one juror felt like she had, indeed, been abused in the relationship. She was so irritating, but in retrospect, I think she was treated badly by Travis Alexander (murder victim).

Gee, R401, I wish he had done did thinked of that.

/s

R399, I thought he asked Maggie to meet him at the homestead because he was going to do her in (pending divorce, financial discovery, etc).

Paw Paw was not expected to be there- he was checking on his friend’s dog in the kennels and was (perhaps) reluctantly shot with the second gun, because he was an eyewitness (did they have “what the fuck” words?).

When did it become clear that Paul become the primary target?

I also think Paul was in the wrong place at the wrong time, he was not the target. Although he was the cause of AM's finances being investigated.

Paul was shot first and was killed instantly in front of Maggie. She was then shot several times in the chest and then the front and back of her head. If she was shot first Paul may have been able to run.

Buster is the ugly spitting image of his father.

The housekeeper testified that Maggie told her on the morning before the murders that Alex had explicitly asked both Maggie and Paul to meet him at Moselle for supper that night. He planned to kill BOTH of them and he did.

At the end of Netflix doc, there were some captions stating that Alex took out a huge commercial insurance policy on Moselle only ONE MONTH before Gloria had her slip n fall.

I think we have motive and I think Alex had something to do with her death. Insurance fraud is his MO.

That orange 🍊 shade of ginger Buster is sporting is quite hideous. If the family were auburn I might acquit.

Maggie's sister was polite and refined on the stand. But those type of women turn a blind eye to the misdeeds of their men as long as they are living in luxury and their children are pampered.

AC's hair is white with a little orange on top, I thought at first he might be wearing a rug but I think that's his own hair.

^^^ AM damnit, not AC

My favorite moment was the two waitresses from IHOP relating the tale of Murdaugh coming into their restaurant and flashing his fake police ID badge to get the best table at IHOP!

pawpaw ..... If that's not backwoods, I don't know what is.

Can't wait for the miniseries on Hulu or Netflix

They should do an MRI on his brain to get an example of an extreme psychopath.

Was Paul tied up when he was shot first? Because if he wasn't, it's possible he was trying to defend his mother, but it's more likely that Alex just needed the life insurance money.

Where DID all those millios he stole go?

It's totally unbelievable to me that he could have wasted that much money on dope in a decade or so. Maybe one of his suppliers WAS blackmailing him, as someone speculated above, but by this point, I imagine Buster is one the cops need to nosing around in terms of where the remaining loot is stashed. HOW is Harpootlian's crew being paid? It is a high-priced bunch of lawyers sitting at that table, and I don't see how this is pro bono work.

AM most likely still has money stashed away. I would think AM would have killed anyone who tried to blackmail him. But I do wonder where the hell all that money went too.

AM was such a sloppy embezzler. Hard to imagine him as being slick enough to hide the money expertly.

R333 here.

[quote]Damn. Dude sho' is ugly NJ jvvb [quote]If Redmond O'Neal had a demon baby with Prince Harry... and ugly-cries like Clare Danes

My Dad's evening sitter walked in Friday afternoon (Dad was listening to it on MSNBC), looked up at the TV, sort of shivered, and said "OooooUgh, don't he look like Bill Cassidy!"

I was like "DAMN! That's the other guy I was thinking he looked like, but couldn't recall!"

So my revision: If criminal drugged out mess Redmond O'Neal, arrogant-but-dim Prince Harry, and sinister, manipulative undercover freak Sen. Bill Cassidy had a demon baby.

Thanks Miss Debra!

There's a Netflix series on now. You see the cumulation of events that led to the unraveling of the Murdaugh dynasty. I absolutely think Alex murdered his wife and son but not so sure what the jury will think. I don't think they will acquit but wouldn't be surprised if hung.

I think there will be a hung jury, too. There will be at least one juror who won't get how depraved Alex is and doubt he would blow "Paw Paw's" brains out.

But, thanks to Alex's decision to testify, he is on the record, under oath, admitting to his biggest (that we know) financial crimes.

So he isn't going to be a free man any time soon.

AM shot Paul because he was about to cost him millions of dollars because of the boat crash, and he killed Maggie because she was going to divorce him and half of everything he had, plus alimony payments. I believe AM was involved in selling drugs himself (I don't care what his tolerance was, no one could survive a $50,000 per week oxycodone habit), also. I think he was afraid Maggie was going to turn him in.The Murdaughs may have owned their county and state, but the DEA doesn't give a fuck about their family's name. The netflix show stated that Maggie had hired a forensic accountant to find where all the money was going.

Moselle and half of the beach house were in Maggie's name. And she had balked at refinancing either.

Alex needed her gone to wring more cash out of those properties.

I think Murdaugh moved drugs too.

AM seems to be a slob and a fuckup, but he could probably get motivated when it came to hiding his money. I bet he became Mr. Meticulous when it came to that task.

So either Alex did it or some other murderer(s) showed up, somehow knowing that Murdaugh guns would be lying around, and so they didn't bother bringing their own weapons (although they did carefully haul them away so no one would be able to hunt for fingerprints on them). The killer(s), acting for reasons completely unknown, did not steal anything, either. This makes FAR LESS sense than the set of facts that is actually supported by some evidence: Alex lured them there that very night, and then killed them with guns that were lying around at the property. He then concocted a half-assed scenario to try to create an alibi for himself which is laughably weak and amateurish.

I have a hard time believing he had money stashed. That property where the murders took place was impressive, IMO. IIRC, he was hooked on opioids for 20 years, not 10. He said he was spending $40K per week. He also had household staff.

The only mystery is how he's paying Harpootlian. Harpootlian is a character, as well. They should bring back "City Confidential" just for this story, alone.

How would he be spending 40K a week? On what?

On the opioids.

Actually, $50K per week, per People mag.

Hired killers showing up before it was completely dark to kill 2 people in an open area (that was very close to a State road), using hunting rifles at close range, while it should have been obvious that it was likely there were more people inside the house on the property and firing, what, 6-8 times? No fucking way. How would you explain the absurdity of that to a jury? It's just not what happened.

R432, I miss City Confidential. I can hear Paul Winfield's voice in my head right now

Me too, r437.

"Gibsonton, Florida. It's a sweaty little town sandwiched between Sarasota and Tampa."

Can’t imagine Maggie and Paul’s thoughts as AM shot them.

R435, that refuses to make sense to me. What was he buying, pills of solid gold?

[quote]Can’t imagine Maggie and Paul’s thoughts as AM shot them.

I can: "We should have killed the ugly motherfucker when we had the chance."

I'm surprised no one has pointed out how hot the dead girl, Mallory's, dad was in the throwback video when she was little and he was shirtless and showing off his impressive biceps.

Also, there is NO way he was spending 50K a week on opiods. That money was going somewhere else.

He had a gambling problem as well.

Pic, r442? I didn't even see that video.

"Moselle and half of the beach house were in Maggie's name. And she had balked at refinancing either."

Where WAS all the money he stole going? If he was stashing it in illegal accounts, why didn't he keep enough on hand to maintain his lifestyle and keep his properties?

He was selling up, and it wasn't because he was going to flee overseas with the all the community property. No, a sociopath big fish in a small pond like him will never give up the small pond, they're only powerful as long as they stay there.

One has to wonder about the size of Alex's father's estate. A's mother is non compos mentis, so it would be good to know what Daddy's will said about her care and her share of the estate. I imagine it all went to Alex and his Bros in equal shares, with provisions for Libby's care till she passed on. Was Pops loaded?

It's in the Netflix series, R444. It appears a couple of times.

I have not watched all of the testimony, but it seems clear that the law partners of Alex who testified suspect strongly that he is in fact the killer; the housekeeper and LIbby's caretaker pretty clearly suspect him; Maggie's sister suspects him, all based on his actions and demeanor. All are people who know him and were around him a lot, before and after the killings. Won't a jury see this?

I watched both HBO and Netflix this weekend. Riding out the storms in LA.

Netflix is a good primer for people who haven't been following the case, then they can hop over to HBO for the advanced course.

Every time I see pics of Maggie I would think she reminded me of an actress. Finally figured out who it is. The lady from Criminal Minds.

R445, most people who embezzle money don’t set up offshore accounts. They do it because they need money to squander on some obsession. Often it’s a particular person, but sometimes it’s rare automobiles or, in one really nice case, collectible dolls. I don’t think we’ve yet heard a good explanation as to why Alex was stealing, but he didn’t act like a man with millions of dollars at his disposal. He acted like he OWED millions of dollars.

He was stealing because he is a drug addict.

I would believe gambling was a 2nd addiction. All that money gone and nothing to show for it, not even a hoard of dolls.

Thanks, r447.

Watching the Netflix series, Paul and his friends were FUG. Their girlfriends were better looking.

Well, all the men were butt ugly beady-eyed gingers -- but weren't they society darlings, supposedly with money? Ha ha, as it turned out.

Both of the girlfriends you can see are going to be overweight soon

Paul had a good-looking GF b/c he was wealthy. Supposedly, he spat on her the night of the boat incident where Mallory died.

Connor with the Bieber bowlcut, what an idiot. His girlfriend is porking out too. Notice how skinny those girls were in high school compared to now.

Connor and Anthony - Paul's buddies both have been scared/paid off. They are very careful what they say.

Buster with that ugly red hair and very light eyebrows and eyelashes and then those dark eyes. If this kid wasn't rich he would be a nobody. Hilton Head where he lives is expensive, how is he paying for that?

Buster's smile is terrifying. Can we sue Netflix for not blurring that out?

You'd think after seeing a few photos, he'd just...stop.

They look Satanic. I would have stayed far away from them.

Anthony Cook is hot as motherfuckin' shit, yo. Just a stud.

Aren’t Oxy pills worth $15 a pop? If Ellick had built up a tolerance, could it be possible that his addiction cost that much? Some people build up a superhuman tolerance. I’m sure there are nurses here who have seen people take amounts for maintenance that would kill any regular person.

Ellick used to be fat. Now he’s much thinner. Does that factor in? Are opioid addicts fat?

Of course, he could have had more than one addiction. “Gambling” is often the answer when there are large amounts of money missing and it’s not immediately obvious where it went. I could easily see him being a gambling addict of some kind. He didn’t seem to haunt casinos or be obsessed with sports or horses.

Some talking head on tv figured out if Alex spent 50,000 a week on oxy he would have to take 470 pill a day. Uh, no.......

The HBO documentary is not available here in Brazil yet.😭

I just feel like there’s probably jury tampering going on.

Whatever Alex spent all that money on, it must be considered worse than being a pill junkie for him to lie about it. Can you imagine?

I can’t get over how huge the building was for his law firm.

[quote]Whatever Alex spent all that money on, it must be considered worse than being a pill junkie for him to lie about it. Can you imagine?

Beanie babies?

I know what it's like to be on a ton of Oxy- the confusion and paranoia he claims led to him lying about going to the kennels is complete bullshit. Coke and meth do that, not oxy. Jesus, I hope the jury is fooled by that stuff. The man is 100% guilty.

Brand OxyContin sells for $1 per milligram, so as much as $80 per tablet. I guess he wasn't into generics.

So is the defense done? Are we heading into the closing arguments? Does that start today? I really want to watch the arguments, it's going be fascinating to see what kind of chicken salad Alex's lawyers can make of the huge pile of horseshit that makes up the evidence against him.

More testimony today I think.

Redirect of Alex.

^Thanks. I was mislead by all the news sites declaring blandly that Alex was done, after two "FULL" days of testimony. He must have been SO exhausted...

They're bringing the jury on a field trip now to the Moselle property. FFS it's not Rockingham

I've just recently been following this trial. Was any proof given, other than Murdaugh's word, that he actually was addicted to oxy for twenty years?

[quote]One has to wonder about the size of Alex's father's estate.

I suspect it is pretty decent. He spend his entire life making good money and, unlike Alex, he lived a fairly frugal lifestyle. He didn't fly by private jets. He didn't have to maintain a 1,700-acre third home.

And the testimony was that he loaned Alex hundreds of thousands of dollars.

^No. Although he did try to detox in a couple of places and at home. And the year Gloria Satterfield died she found pills taped under Alex's bed. Paul also confronted him about pills about 2 weeks before they were murdered. On the street oxy's are 10 to 15 dollars a pill.

[quote]I was mislead

Oh, dear!

Watching these documentaries - there must be a LOT of drones flyin’ over the Lo Country!

R483 There are. And one of those drones unintentionally caught Buster and his uncle removing guns from Moselle after a search warrant had been served.

I can’t believe they are taking a trip to his place. I hope they just look at the kennels. That is going to take a whole day.

How many pills a day would a hardcore addict take?

I agree that $50k a week would not all be on oxy though. Alex clearly had an expensive lifestyle with his kids and wife. Money probably flowed out easily. Other vices like gambling, maybe escorts probably featured too.

R486, oh good call.

I’m shocked that this guy hasn’t been Epsteined yet.

R479, the answer to your question is No. Only Alex has been yammering on and on about how pill addiction made him incapable of telling the truth to the police. Alex looks and behaves like a weasel. He has been lying about every essential thing about himself for decades, his fundamental principle is manipulating anyone who will listen to him so as to take advantage of them. He is an idiot, really. And a cold-blooded killer. He probably WAS abusing opioids but there is NO other evidence regarding it than his own crooked words. His addiction-treatment doctors could not be compelled to testify in this case unless Alex himself waived the doctor-patient privilege of confidentiality; in other words, the State could not have subpoenaed them to compel their testimony in Court without Alex's permission. Such testimony would only have been medical opinion, but at least it would be SOMETHING beyond Alex's lying bullshit.

If he lies so much by his own admission how can the jury believe him when he says he didn’t shoot his wife and son. And if anyone were to shoot their wife and son wouldn’t it be crook and monster like this guy?

These Murdaughs are hideous looking people.

Paul's girlfriend said that the maid had found Alex's supply of pills the same year she was killed so I think he must have had an oxy addiction for years.

Prosecutor Savanna Goude IS Wednesday Addams!

R488 - medical records can be subpoenaed by court order. It would appear that the prosecutors believe he's an addict. The former girlfriend's comments about the hidden pills and Paul's confrontation are damning in that respect.

[QUOTE]Connor and Anthony - Paul's buddies both have been scared/paid off.

It's possible, but aren't they still potential witnesses in the Beach family's lawsuit against Alex, the boat owner, and Buster who provided the fake ID Paul used to purchase his last drinks? They're likely limited in what they discuss.

I still feel sad that we'll probably never find out who killed Stephen. It's a little chilling to think that maybe Buster was involved but he's still walking out there.

The scope and scale of his crimes is astounding.

I am intrigued and baffled by the phone calls from Dad jail to Buster. They obviously know the calls are recorded, but it always sounds like Buster is annoyed he's being bothered, and Dad is jocular, casual.

I mean the guy killed his mom... Buster must know this. It sounds like nothing important has happened... "you can go over there and shoot a deer"... right where I shot your mom and brother.

^Another thing about getting A's addiction doctors to testify: those docs are in Georgia and there are certain complications with compelling the testimony of witnesses from out of State in state Court proceedings. The Courts of South Carolina have no legal authority to compel a Georgia doctor to testify in a South Carolina case. (Maybe that's why A went to rehab there instead of someplace in Columbia or Charleston). Of course, such testimony would be fantastic free advertising for their services so I'm guessing the docs would jump at the chance to appear if Alex waived the privilege and wanted them to come tell all they know, but so far...NOTHING.

^Without the docs to authenticate the records, the records are inadmissible hearsay.

This testimony on how close the shooter was to the victims is just making me think how God awful Alex Murdaugh is.

[quote]I mean the guy killed his mom... Buster must know this.

I don't know if that is true. Buster testified that everyone in the family "knew that Paul wasn't driving the boat the night Mallory Beach died."

That is a family that lives in denial.

^As opposed to everyone who was actually IN THE BOAT when Paul crashed it.

Say what, r484? Did that come out at trial?

R498, medical records ordinarily are covered by the business records exception to the hearsay rule, they don’t need to be authenticated by the person who created them. But, as someone noted upthread, there’s so much going on in this case and public prosecutors have limited resources, they can’t develop every line of attack.

I do agree that Alex is really pushing a “Reefer Madness” type fantasy about the effects of drug use.

The medical records are covered by doctor-patient privilege unless Alex waived it specifically.

Even if Buster thought his dad was innocent/Alex was innocent (he 100% did it IMO) it is SOCIOPATHIC to suggest to your surviving child: "hey go take a gun and play around in the place your mom and brother were brutally murdered. It'll be fun!"

Paul's obituary: HE LOVED THE PLACE WHERE HIS BRAIN GOT BLASTED OUT OF HIS SKULL, Y'ALL!

Paul grew up with a love for the outdoors, and particularly enjoyed hunting at their lodge in Moselle with his father, Alex, and brother, Buster.

We've heard a lot about THE LODGE and the Beach House, but what about the main house?

Any pics? Zillow listings?

^They sold that house a few years ago to move to Moselle full time

R506 OMG that obituary is sick - Southern Gothic on steroids:

No one was more loving and genuine than Paul, and because of this, his personality was one-of-a-kind. Paul is survived by his beloved father Richard Alexander Murdaugh (Alex) and his older brother Richard Alexander Murdaugh Jr. (Buster), both of whom he looked up to with all of his heart.

Was anyone ever convicted of arson for the house in Hampton? I think that was 2010? These people sure seem to have more than their share of high dollar insurance claims.

The Murdaughs seem to be a loquacious bunch.

[quote]both of whom he looked up to with all of his heart.

And his brain.

Or at least the remnants of it, evidently.

What do you think a funeral house like that would write about Alex Murdaugh even after he gets convicted? I love how so many things get ~unsaid~.

The line at the beginning of Paul’s obit about his love of hunting at Moselle is super-creepy!

If he gets off the murder charges, (fuck, i hope not), does he stay in prison because of the embezzlement charges?

I’ve watched both documentaries and it’s unclear to me the fate of Mallory Beach’s body. The Netflix doc seems to suggest she was found miles away in another body of water? So she had a blunt injury to the head and died instantly? What a tragedy.

R516 she got pulled several miles down the river by the current.

The exact way she died is unclear. The likely theory is she hit her head when she was thrown from the boat, then drowned.

My guess, since everyone except her came up pretty quickly, was that she hit her head and was unconscious right away.

R515 the financial charges alone will keep him in prison a long time.

[quote] The likely theory is she hit her head when she was thrown from the boat, then drowned.

Wonder if this where Mike White got inspiration for season 2 of White Lotus

R515: Since Paw tried to kill himself for an insurance scam (that's HIS public version of what was going on there, anyway; I think it's highly likely he was intending to murder Curtis Smith at the roadside). A judge could very well refuse him bond, if he is acquitted of the murders, as a demonstrated "flight risk," LOL. For real.

He is currently held in jail for charges that have nothing to do with the murders.

And since he admitted under oath to many crimes by choosing to testify in this case, he will be in jail for a long time.

Yep, I heard some analysis that he may well get off (acquitted or hung jury) because of a factor that defense has/will underscore: juries who are not completely sure of guilt, and see that the accused will do time anyway because of other crimes, are inclined to not convict.

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I think he should have been able to exercise his 5th amendment right w/regard to crimes he's not on trial for.

r464 he peaked in high school, he is no longer good looking. The girls and guys he hung around with all looked better in high school. Small town life.

R522, I think that the judge's ruling was correct; any other outcome would have been unworkable. There was so much evidence in already about the other crimes. He was better off giving his whole song and dance about how how he's a crazy thieving drug addict but would never, ever kill anyone.

Have any mistresses come forward?

Tonight I watched the Netflix doc. It wasn’t terribly enlightening because I followed the subreddits almost immediately. Then I let go of the story for a bit. My favorite takeaways were the jailhouse phone calls. Some people in Las Vegas recognized Buster and his uncle at a table in a casino and snapped their photo. Ellick expresses disbelief. How did they even know who you were? Buster modestly supposes he’s a public figure. It made me laugh. He looks like a 6-foot seagull in a crazy red wig. Anyone paying the slightest attention would recognize that dumb lummox.

Also thought it was interesting that he was in Vegas. Maybe Buster has a gambling problem.

Anthony Cook and especially his sister have piggy faces. In the Netflix doc did you see how smug she was about telling Connor to sit up straight?

The ex-girlfriend really comes off as seriously damaged and broken from her time with that nasty little shit. I felt bad for her.

The ex girlfriend got to fly on their private plane and vacation with them, go to special events and got wined and dined. You can see why she was willing to look past some of Paul's issues. Her dad's voice makes me think of Ray Liotta.

She also got slapped around, spit on, etc from the time she was 15. Then she saw her best friend die.

Yeah I’d say she has some scars.

R525, see r141.

Why did that one kid - Connor? - STILL rock the Justin Bieber hair? That shit is like 15 years behind the times. I could not believe my eyes.

That Morgan girl was so desperate for validation by the “rich” Murdaugh kid that she put up with his bullshit. It made me sad. If he was some kid living in a trailer park, she would have told him to go pound sand. She even said that she tried to be what they wanted her to be. She was on track to being another “Miss Maggie”.

I didn't know that Buster has a girlfriend. Just seen a photo of them walking into court. Geez.

The ex girlfriend's parents claimed since they were from out of town they didn't know about the Murdaugh family. If their daughter was dating Paul for years I would think you would ask around or try to find out who your daughter is associating with, she went out of the country with them.

Sad that these below average straight white males had those girls willing to do anything to be with them.

Despite being lifelong friends with the girl that was killed the chub girl came off the least sympathetic somehow. "Sit up straight"

If the boating accident never happened, Alex never would have killed his wife and son and the fraud wouldn't have been exposed by settlement lawyers. By this logic, it is all the fault of his drunken son who wrecked the boat.

I wonder if Conner feels trapped with piggy face girl since they went through trauma together.

They all will end up dumpy looking like their parents. Mallory's dad was handsome when younger though, now he reminds me of the actor who played the father in the The Dropout (the miniseries on Hulu with Amanda Seyfried playing Elizabeth Holmes)

I confess I haven't watched the doco or kept up that well, but why was Pa Murdaugh responsible for what his son did when he crashed the boat?

I thought a parent being responsible for crimes of the child ended when the child became an adult, and Paul was 19. Is it because their liability doesn't end till the child is 21?

Funny I realized the actor I mentioned above is married to the actress that somebody above said should play Miss Maggie.

R539 I don't understand that fully either. But it seems that the people suing over the boat accident were asking for a settlement, and Alex said he didn't have the money to pay it, and that triggered the financial investigation that uncovered the fraud. Maybe it has something to do with who owned the boat and let Paul use it when maybe Paul wasn't legally allowed to drive a boat? Also, someone in the family helped him get the beer when he was too young to legally drink or buy it, so the family might be responsible.

Watched a bit of Buster's testimony on YouTube, was surprised he has a very masculine, pleasant speaking voice.

R541, the boat was owned by Alex, and he was accused of permitting underage drinking.

He asked if Netflix was doing him. Very meta.

Alex great grandfather started the law firm and became the circuit prosecutor. He committed suicide by driving in front of a moving train. He was stopped at the tracks and waved at the engineer and gunned it in front of the moving train. The law firm sued the train line for a bundle and that's how the firm got it's start as a powerful personal injury firm.

The town of Hampton is poor because most businesses won't come into Hampton county because the law firm goes after them for personal injury claims which the firm generally wins because the jurors are intimidated by the Murdaughs and the law firm. The law firm makes their big money off of personal injury claims against truck companies and the railroads. Walmart refuses to come into Hampton county because the firm is so litigious. Basically the firm is parasitic of the county, there are few jobs there.

Whoa, r545 where did you learn all that? Was it on the Netflix doc? Those Murdaughs are awful!

R545 this case has made me wonder how many little ‘county fiefdoms’ exist like Hampton County, SC where a single family has controlled everything for generations. It’s probably much worse in the southeast in general where many states have an excessive number of little counties like Georgia, Kentucky, Virginia, etc. It’s like developing world level of corruption.

A week after the murders, I had been down at the beach on Tybee Island and I had my first experience of driving up I-95 through that area, going from Savannah to hit I-26 north of there to go up towards Asheville. It was a weekday morning, the traffic on that expressway, which is only 2 lanes wide for many miles, was bumper to bumper, going about 85 mph, and the condition of the highway is just unbelievably bad; I'm sure it needed resurfacing at least 15 years ago. It's the major road down the coast to Florida and it was immediately obvious how a law firm could make a fortune litigating the traffic accidents that must happen on that stretch of road every day. Eighteen wheel trucks lined up in the right law, nose to ass, going over 80 miles an hour, surrounded by trapped cars on the left side with no way to pass. Truck accidents on that highway are the source of PIMPED's fortune, Alex's bread and butter.

On one of the podcasts:

"Buster's girlfriend."

"What? Buster has a girlfriend? He never mentions it!"

"Yes, Buster is very shy about the fact that he has a girlfriend."

[quote]that's how the firm got it's start

Oh, dear!

[quote] He committed suicide by driving in front of a moving train. He was stopped at the tracks and waved at the engineer and gunned it in front of the moving train.

How is this the train company's fault?

Busters girlfriend is Brooklyn. Duh.

Wonder what the note was about the judge showed the attorneys before the lunch break.

Pa's brother John Marvin (I know), testified yesterday about how Ellick shit his pants in his car when he picked him up from rehab.

R554 he said diarrhea twice when describing that incident. What a mess.

Sounds like overkill, he really wanted Maggie dead.

From constipation to diarrhea.

Low Country, indeed.

Were they driving past Schitt's Creek?

R526, far be it from me to defend any of these turkeys, but Buster's trip to Vegas was organized by family members who wanted to get him out of the area to see something else for a while.

He was on the phone with Alec/x and said that he didn't enjoy it because so many people recognized him. Alex/c said "It's nice to be noticed, isn't it?" After a brief pause Buster responded with something along the lines of "No, not for this reason."

Buster knows his daddy is an evil mess.

R560 Oh golly, I cannot stop my heart bleeding for Buster.

We’re getting close to needing a Part III which I e just started…..though I don’t know how to link it. Just wanted you all to know it’s ready and waiting

How is Buster getting money now? He was expelled from law school for plagiarism.

Buster is going to be getting around 500k when they close on Moselle in the next couple of weeks. It would be his inheritance from Maggie. I think 2 million goes to the bank, the rest to Pa's swindled victims.

They sold Moselle?

Yes, a neighbor bought it. But the deal doesn't close till the 9th of March I think.

R565 Surely all monies will go to the many claimants on the family money?

One would think R568 ! I believe it sold for 3.9 million. Perhaps because Moselle was in Maggie's name alone?? I read an article somewhere about it earlier.

Oh yeah, Alex bought it for nothing from some drug mule he once represented. The drug mule/client never went to prison because the witness that was going to testify against him was mowed down by a car! You really can't make this shit up.

Oh yes you can, R569.

That's what is so unifying about this case: Alex is an actual monster which nobody but Satan, Hitler or his mother could defend. He's totally awful and a crook and we all can't wait for him to get nailed.

Alex telling us the truth?

"I can tell you for a fact the person or people who did what I saw on June the 7th — they hated Paul Murdaugh and they had anger in their heart."

"I do believe now that it was the boat wreck that had something to do with that."

"I don’t think I was capable of reason.”

If he is speaking about himself r572.

Oxys are extremely constipating. AM should just say he was so full of shit, both literally and figuratively, he couldn't think or see straight.

He ran into my gun. His brains just ran into my gun.

I wonder if Paul and his mother sensed for some time that their lives were in danger. I wonder if they knew what Alex was capable of. To some extent, they had to know, but perhaps were in denial.

A lot of people think that this was planned and that Maggie was the intended victim, Paul just collateral - but my theory is that Alex snapped that night because he hated Paul for the boat incident which drew so much unwanted attention. The fact that Paul was probably shot first and at close range from the front according to the testimony of a crime scene analyst while Maggie was shot afterwards and from the back suggests that Alex wanted to shoot Paul. Maggie may have actually been the collateral. It's just a theory.

Conner has been close lipped (and not just because of the scar) but his father said that after the accident Conner was afraid they would kill him so they could pin driving the boat on him.

"I brought you into this world and I can take you out!"

R577 Let's be honest, Paul was very shootable.

Paul looked just like his mother and Buster looks just like his father, and somehow they both ended up fugly.

Maggie's obituary says she is survived by "her loving husband."

I believe both her and Paul in their final moments knew their "loving" family member was shooting to kill them.

Conner was right to be scared. Can’t imagine what Maggie and Paul thought as that evil goblin Alex blasted their brains out.

Buster Hyman

Hopefully, closing arguments start today. 🤞🏻

[quote]Can’t imagine what Maggie and Paul thought as that evil goblin Alex blasted their brains out.

"We should have given that motherfucker MORE pills, not hidden the ones we found!"

Paul was probably laughing thinking his dad was fooling around. In that video Paul shot earlier that day of his dad, Paul was yucking it up.

Alex chased Maggie down in the golf cart before he caught up with her and shot her in the legs. She had the golf cart tire impression on her calf.

In the cellulite?

Has the defense tried the murder/suicide angle yet?

R563, you know how to make a thread, but not how to link it?!

Did y'all know Alex's lawyer is the husband of the US Ambassador to Slovenia LOL

Part three is here

Excellent closing by Waters.

Have they finished for the day?

Thought I'd snoop around and find photos of Murdaugh property.

The murder farm.

The beach house. It has a buyer.

Photo of the large extended family.

[quote] I confess I haven't watched the doco or kept up that well, but why was Pa Murdaugh responsible for what his son did when he crashed the boat?

It's not so much a matter of responsibility but of involvement. Watch the Netflix docu, it explains everything.

R539, the boat accident wasn’t about criminal liability, it was about civil negligence. The boat belonged to Alex, and he negligently allowed his son, who was known to drink, and be abusive and out of control when he drank, drive the boat.