3 People Dead in Murder-Suicide after Snow Removal Dispute in Pennsylvania - Happy Anniversary!

"Slayed"? Oh, dear.

You know that thread/story made a real impact on me. I try to make sure I'm on good terms with my neighbors (at least smiling & say hello) who are sort of keep to themselves/trashy types so that when/if they feel they have cause to bring out those guns in their homes I know they have, hopefully I'll be spared from the massacre.

R2 It had a big impact on the Goys too!

JIMMMMAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know it's wrong but when the neighbor shoots the tRumpy couple I feel gratified.

He should have just borrowed my snow plough.

I still want to know how that security video went viral so soon after the incident.

The video really bothered me when I first watched it two years ago. I don’t know why, considering some of the junk I’ve seen in my life online and in reality. Maybe it’s just embarrassment for humanity in general. Not fear or pity or trauma. Just embarrassment for these white trash assholes. Every bit of this was (easily!) preventable and yet…

^That's an excellent point - the stupidity & wastefulness of it all. All these lives ended & destroyed over what exactly? Not unlike people who flip off or act aggressively toward other drivers only to get a slug in the face. Granted, I wouldn't want to live next door to the Goys, but couldn't you just move? So much pointless anger

It’s terrible - but when he says “you should’ve kept your mouth shut” I want to cheer.

I think most Dataloungers were rooting for Jeffrey.

Anyone have any updates?

Have the Goys and Jeffrey's properties been sold?

I always scan the neighborhood before I go outside now.

[quote]It’s terrible - but when he says “you should’ve kept your mouth shut” I want to cheer.

Um, in the interest of the Datalounge Historical Record, it was

“You should’ve kept your fucking mouth *bang* shut!”

Details are important, dears.

OP, you couldn’t have posted the initial video?! Damn.

(Is it even still out there?)

You scummy motherfuckers don’t even bother with nobody.

Here ya go!!

R15 is a pussy. A pussy, that’s what you—AAAAAH AAAAAH!! HE SHOT ME!! HE SHOT ME!

We need our intrepid DLers who live in that area to do an anniversary special with our boy JIMMMMAAAAY. Preferably in nothing but his boxer briefs.

I feel terrible, and I could never admit this anywhere but here, but this whole thing…it just tickles me. I know it's a tragedy, and I think gun culture and that type of behavior is abhorrent but yet...it tickles me. It's like, somehow this murder managed to be campy. I can't even explain it.

It ain’t no tragedy.

I wonder how Jimaaaaay is doing now?

Has he had therapy or is he in university now studying Criminology?

Who would’ve thought a double murder and suicide would provide such hilarity?

I LOVED those threads.

R21 Well said!!!! The most fun murder suicide in history…..wish we could relive the whole moment, so much laughter and fun!

^Don't forget how the killer's house showed up on Tasteful Friends!

These people were too stupid to live. If it hadn't been this guy they would have been inevitably shot by someone and probably circumstances pretty similar to how this all played out. Seriously who starts walking up to a guy that's pointing a pistol at you and then eggs him on to do it what else do you think is going to happen.

I think the thing that shocks me though is that it seems outside of the initial coverage there was so little follow-up or interest in it. It seems to me this is the type of story that the media would absolutely just love to exploit from all sides given the Hatfield McCoy nature of it. Maybe it's just the lack of surviving family that gave a crap about either of them probably.

Its sadly ironic that if some righty website was minimalizing the Colorado murders the same people here glamorizing this crime would be the first to whine about the evil inhumanity of it. Murder is wrong no matter who the victims were. This has become a country of emotional twelve year olds.

Be careful disembarking from your high horse. We don’t want you to hurt yourself.

These white trash, obnoxious, loud-mouth assholes got what they deserved. Very few of us get to see someone get their comeuppance. The Colorado murders do not fit into that realm.

R27 is a moral and emotional cripple. If those two assholes had raped and killed the shooters parents you would be right. If being obnoxious was justification for murdering someone half the country would soon be dead, including you.

[quote] I think the thing that shocks me though is that it seems outside of the initial coverage there was so little follow-up or interest in it. I

And the depleted budgets of local news organizations plays a role here. Twenty years ago there would have been local reporters all over this story, interviewing neighbors, coworkers, etc.

You know what would get to the bottom of this? An 8 part thread!

I still can't figure out why they stand there like statues while the guy is shooting. Maybe they were in disbelief? Or didn't think he would actually shot them?

Paging Brian Baranski . . .

R28, Datalounge may not be for you.

You can go over to Twitter and be outraged at people’s humor over there, hun.

Close the door as you leave.

[quote]Or didn't think he would actually shot them?

I thought that at first too but after he starred shooting, and the wife saw the husband get shot, you’d think she’d at least run or something. One of those oddities I guess.

^I aways wondered that too since a sane person would've immediately backed away, running into their home & they might still be alive today if they'd done that. But I'm guessing the Goys probably pulled this shit all the time & were *shocked* when this guy finally snapped. Though to Mrs. Goy's credit (I guess?), she's hardcore up to the final moment of her life.

R29 I've really been enjoying Hilary Swank in Alaska Daily. The series highlights the importance of local journalism. So, I wholeheartedly agree with you about the lack of local coverage due to budgetary constraints. With a mobile phone in their pocket, everyone's a reporter nowadays.

Is Brian on the force still or has he been demoted to issuing parking tickets?

R33 Gotta love the newbies.

But what was going on before the one party started taping? They never show their part in it. R12

Gotta love those who can't understand normal thinking r38.

They been slaided, bro.

R41 😘

R8 I don't think Jeffrey Spaide was trash. He was clearly unbalanced but he kept a clean lawn.

I think anyone, who lived next to the Goys, would become unbalanced eventually.

Now this is how you solve neighborhood disputes. This guy had a beef with his neighbors and used his rightful second amendment solution to the problem. One year later there are no problems between these folks. This how Americans get things done in the world's finest country.

*Two years later.

(Yeah, I know, seems like only yesterday!)

It does!

It was a high point of lockdown for me.

R42 = Emoji nitwit/cunt

R48 Thank you 😘

Pusssy, huh?

One of my fondest memories of the original threads was the DLer who demanded to know which poster left a digital flower on the memorial page of Jeffery's suspected lover. I cracked up and was practically rolling on the floor when the other DLer confessed.

R51 I remember that! A shining moment in DL history!

Wasn't the guy's name Phil?

R40 I know where you can take your thinking. 🍑

Did anyone ever find jimmy on Facebook or social media? Ask him for the inside scoop?

Does anyone remember which thread it was that we were on the hunt for a picture of Jeffery and info on his potential lover?

I live not far from there and visited the neighborhood back then and reported to the DL. Around here everyone it seems owns a gun - man, woman, and child. It's not uncommon for someone to threaten someone with their gun including getting it out and waiving it around. The sight of a gun doesn't scare these people it just makes them get more Pennsylvania ghetto and up in people's faces. This is why I self isolate myself a lot. There are a lot of gays with guns around here as well. My crazy ex forced me into a threesome at gunpoint.

[quote] I wouldn't want to live next door to the Goys, but couldn't you just move? So much pointless anger

He owned the house and so did the Goys. I moved a lot when I was younger, but now, I'm reluctant to just move house. It's not always so easy.

OMG. I found it!! Thanks to Google, NOT DLs terrible search function.

Go to reply R373 in the linked thread.

Actually, the whole thread is DL GOLD!!

Has anyone searched find a grave. I bet the Goys have butterflies or the Italian flag on theirs and some guns.

[quote]The sight of a gun doesn't scare these people it just makes them get more Pennsylvania ghetto and up in people's faces.

But what about the [bold]sound[/bold] of a gun, coupled with your husband screaming in pain and gurgling on the pavement until he died? That didn’t move that crazy bitch at all.

My guess is that he had brandished his gun, before, but never shot it. That's why this couple was not scared of him.

Of course goys were involved.

Here's Jeffrey's page, R60.

R64 Thanks got that! Wondering how many DLers left digital flowers and candles? There are a lot from Anonymous

R59 Thank you for that! Legendary !

How can people get to that age and not know how to control their feelings if they feel out of control?

R65

You bitches are something else. Never change!

R67 Booze and dope. Or lack of sleep.

I like what Jeff's family wrote about him; acknowledges what he did, but recalls the good things about him. That said, I think it's kind of weird that they have a picture from a meeting or something instead of cropping down some picture from Christmas or some other event.

The snow was so white that day.

With just a soupçon of crimson.

Today is the second anniversary!!

When Ma Goy exclaims "You FUCKER, you!!" You could hear the blood sloshing around in her mouth.

R70 I think the photo was uploaded by a user, not his family.

Jimmmmmaaaayyyyy!

R8 It was shocking because it was so senseless.

I can’t believe that woman. Pumped full of bullets and still talking shit despite that her lungs were being filled with blood and she sounded like she was talking underwater. Too stubborn to play dead.

That was what shocked me the most. I was like play dead lady! She just kept egging him on despite the fact she had been shot like 4 or 5 times!

Absolutely insane.

R73 It wasn’t in her mouth! It was in her lungs! It was internal bleeding! That’s why she sounded like that. Absolutely horrible. I’ve never witnessed that before.

She was a cunt of the highest magnitude.

We're all just actors playing a part, and all the world's a stage. There was a reason those 2 people were on this earth, in this time, being the cunty-est cunts that ever cunted, probably after a lifetime of being stupid, ignorant, mean, entitled assholes. They'd never been called on their shit (or at least in a severe enough, life-altering way), and just continued to fester and become more and more stupid and ignorant as time went on. That's why she kept going on...after a lifetime of being and acting however she wanted, she really expected to be able to keep doing it ad infinitum, even as she lay dying.

It's just sad that Jeffrey had to lose his shit and his life in all of this. I can't imagine he'd had it easy in life; in some form or another, I think he was probably bullied for an extended period of time or throughout life. And these people just got on his last fucking nerve. That the whole thing went viral and was so visible was a "meant to be" scenario to me. Someone, somewhere learned from it - at least that's my hope. Maybe more than one someone/somewhere. It's just sad that it took 3 lives to accomplish that.

Those threads were phenomenal. Everyone really dove in and participated (early and often). Jeffrey will be a DL icon who will live through the ages.

If this had been Texas, there would have been no snow to shovel. However, all three might have been carrying guns.

Iremember discovering this story when there had already been thousands of posts about it, and I genuinely couldn’t understand this story.it was partly due to the D/L way of taking a story and playing with it, but it was also just because it is such an outlandish story. Nothing about it is normal, yet it manages to encapsulate many of the worst stereotypes about Americans.

It still doesn’t seem real to me.

Apologies to D/L’s grammar trolls for the errors in the post above. It’s late here: time for bed.

You're excused, r81 / r82

When someone points a gun at you, it’s not a good idea to keep telling them to do it.

R82 you’re too cute to worry about spelling mistakes.

Yeah, R76, Mrs. Goy was nuts, yelling while getting pumped with bullets, like Tony Montana in Scarface.

R79, you don’t bother with nobody!

Thank you, r87. Nicest thing anyone's said to me all day!

R84 They didn’t even flinch at him shooting until they both got hit! That was why this video was so crazy!

The couple also had a total disregard for each other. They both died alone. They didn’t call out each others names or make an attempt to protect each other.

Did they end up paving over the woman’s corpse and turning it into the Ma Goy Memorial Speed Bump?

Every time a car drives over it, it yells “SCUMMY MUTHAFUCKA!”

R91 - LMAO!! It's responses like yours that keep us all coming back to the 'Lounge!

I didn't even follow this case or threads, but kept seeing thread after thread and checked it out and saw no one had found Jeff's pic. Since I had previously had decent success finding stuff on the internet, I tried and found it that night. Then, a few days later I decided to check out the Delphi Murders on the 4-year anniversary, and became obsessed with that and then the Missy Bevers case and other true crime. If it hadn't been for DL and no one finding Jeff's pic, I never would have spent 1,500+ hours on true crime in the past 2 years. Sigh.

And we’re eternally grateful for you, r93, Sleuther.

r89- I am never watching that video again but I do recall the woman calling for her husband towards the end- before she was shot the 2nd time-

R95, uh, from what I remember, she was calling for Brian Baransky, who was very much not her husband.

I remember this story. All three were equally horrible people. Sad but true.

[quote] I think anyone, who lived next to the Goys, would become unbalanced eventually.

Why do, you think, that?

People were sympathetic to Spaide because he minded his own business. He had an unusual, curbside cut-out on his property. So, he had front-yard parking spot that was parallel to the street. His only beef seemed to be that parking spot. People were shoveling snow into that parking spot, IIRC.

It sounds horrible to say this, but I think a lot of people, whether they want to admit it, or not... can empathize with Jeff. This couple was harassing him, probably for a long time, and he literally just couldn't take it anymore, and snapped.

It's sad all three had to die over some lumps of snow, but the Goys.... grown adults, took it to a level they shouldn't have, first. Unrepentant til their last dying breath. I just don't understand it.

#JIMMMAYYY

Most people would love to have a quiet neighbor who minds his own business. Geez.

r100 must have me at r79 blocked

[quote]wish we could relive the whole moment, so much laughter and fun!

These threads are the absolute best example of how Dataloungers spend all day online calling everyone else trash, including everyone involved in this case, while somehow having no idea that they are also trash.

Honestly, I thought you guys knew you were making nearly everything up about this case, that you were writing fanfic and you knew it wasn't true, but this reminiscence thread is showing me that most of you 100% believe the story you invented, about Spaide being a sad sack lonely closeted sweetheart of a guy who was bullied for years by neighbors and did the only thing he could to stand up for himself.

The things Spaide's sister said on Facebook made it pretty clear he wasn't some lonely sad bullied sweet little cinnamon roll.

^^ he said without links or explanation

R93 That's such a moving tribute to Jogging Jeff. A DL fave, nay a DL icon.

Jeff's commitment to public sanitation and to cleaning up his community will forever be memorialized by his global DL fanbase.

Jeff, you never knew us, but we've taken your pluck and American spirit to our hearts!

Looks like our easily triggered rightwing troll from Pittsburgh has found this thread. Notice how easily triggered she is by the scorn.

Yet that same troll spends all day posting nypost stories about violent black people and ny crime.

This is really a pro-gun advertisement meant for elitist liberals.

R26 You are one of those people that uses the word "ironic" incorrectly.

R104, let he who does not use the words "cinnamon roll" to describe an actual person, cast the first stone.

[quote]The things Spaide's sister said on Facebook made it pretty clear he wasn't some lonely sad bullied sweet little cinnamon roll.

I don't recall this portion of the discussion, but aside from his final meltdown, he was clearly an extremely angry guy in his own right. Based on that picture, he looks like that kind of big, beefy, shovel-faced guy that most people wouldn't mess with - except for the extremely obnoxious Goys

[quote]I just don't understand it.

That’s not the only thing you don’t understand.

Granted, what Jeffrey Spaide did was an awful, terrible thing. But I think this struck a chord for anyone who’s been horrendously bullied or had to put up with smug, corrupt neighbors (or colleagues or whatever.) As someone upthread said, Jeff tried to do the right things in life and as we know he kept to himself and didn’t bother anyone (except that one guy he punched but that guy sounded like an asshole for driving so fast and scaring everyone else in the car.)

Most DL threads have a limited amount to discuss, but this one just keeps giving new material.

Here we are two years after the event, discussing how Jeff's family framed Jeff's Findagrave page. It's been like that from day 1. From the shock of the whole event, to who and why the CCTV video footage was released, to Ma Hoy's demeanor, to Jimaaaaay, to Jogging Jeff's photo, to everything about the case.

It's really fascinating how it's captured DLers hearts.

R114 It didn't capture my heart. It's was a horrible scenario played by horrible individuals.

[quote]It's really fascinating how it's captured DLers hearts.

It's not just DL - did you read the Reddit thread? Now that's some fanfic shit. They've got that Jeff had a wife that recently died of cancer & the Goys taunted him over it. At least the DL thread is interspersed with some common sense about the dangers of being confrontational with anyone, no matter how seemingly meek, in a Heavily Armed America.

Jeff has become the Patron Saint of angry, solitary shut-ins everywhere

I've not read it R116 It sounds some crazy shit. Perhaps they have someone who knew Jeff and The Goys. Do you have a link?

To think that I might have had the chance to hookup with Jeff at Rage or the 12 Penny Saloon or Grindr or Scruff or the adult movie theater or the adult book store. Then here on DL I would bee a Soopastar!!! Though a fading one.

R118 You could have been a snow blower!

Jeff looks much more attractive in this meeting photo than the running photos.

[quote] They've got that Jeff had a wife that recently died of cancer & the Goys taunted him over it.

Is this true?

R15 ah yes, the Goys, how can I ever forget the endless curiosity that they brought to DL. Only Jimmmmmmay came close to their level of intrigue. RIP Mother Fucker.

No R121.

BUMP

So did they fabricate that story entirely?

The dead wife rumor that circulated early was sketchily attributed to a neighbor. It immediately gained traction online among commenters sympathetic to Spaide, some of whom are still emotionally invested in repeating the falsehood. But public records showed he was unmarried and lived alone, a story repeated by (verified) neighbors once reporters descended on their street.

That eagerness to bolster a morbid folk hero narrative about Spaide kicked off a Keystone Cops-like competition to misinterpret sloppily aggregated public records as wildly as possible. There was a perverse fanfic element to it.

I picture all of you DL'ers being gay versions of the Goy's.

Just shoveling your snow on your neighbors driveways, calling them fraus, breeders, and cunts.

But YOU call THEM scummy motherfuckers. Mocking their houses, mocking their taste level, making fun of their cars!

And you all know that if you were being shot at you would just stand there still shrieking and bitching out your straight neighbors.

It's who you all are! And I love it!

R126, Did Jeff borrow that dead wife bit from Raymond Burr?

[quote]Did Jeff borrow that dead wife bit from Raymond Burr?

The more deluded DLers borrowed inspiration from Raymond Burr when they convinced themselves Spaide had a dead male partner.

RIP to these Trump icons.

And also good riddance.

R130- You motherfucker, you!!!

R25 I heard the couple bullied this guy for years and his wife had died only a week prior.

R131 I'll make your life a lving hell on here.

R133-PUSSY! PUSSY! PUSSY!!!

R31 That's how you know that this was an ongoing thing. They bullied this man for years. They knew he was emotionally weak and didn't think he would do it. I suspect the husband may have laid hands on him previously. When you denigrate someone to such a degree you don't see their humanity and when your so narcissistic and vindictive you can delude yourself into your victim's potential to fight back. I also suspect like many Americans they were on uppers or cocaine.

“Pussy, huh?”

I would not have shot you if you just would have let me suck your fuck-ing cock.

Should be to r134

R133 I think nailed the trigger sentence for the murder-

I will make your life a living hell---

That was the wrong thing to say to someone on the edge.

I bet the male Goy was buried in an Italian Horn necklace.

You should have kept your fucking mouth shut!

[quote]and when your so narcissistic

Oh, dear!

Something’s about to pop off between r134 and r136.

I’m going back in my house.

You fucker, you.

R95 She didn’t. His name was James / Jimmy and I believe her last words were “call” when the teenage boys approached the scene.

[quote]The dead wife rumor that circulated early was sketchily attributed to a neighbor. It immediately gained traction online among commenters sympathetic to Spaide, some of whom are still emotionally invested in repeating the falsehood. But public records showed he was unmarried and lived alone, a story repeated by (verified) neighbors once reporters descended on their street.

The Reddit thread also speculated that he was a vet with PTSD, which I suppose it's possible, though his time in the Navy was spent on board a ship as a Navy tech, not exactly not some USMC private in the Middle East.

But I think people want this to be a story about some bullied guy that snapped versus the more likely reality of "A Bunch of Short Tempered PA Assholes With Too Many Guns"

I always believed Jimmy was the son of the Goys, and he released the tape straight away because he hated his parents with a burning loathing.

I also think Jimmy was blonde, 19, and wore a letterman jacket.

We saw Jimmy I believe, and he’s far too good-looking to come from those cretins.

We did indeed see Jimaaaaay on his porch door.

I wonder if it's actually Jimaaaaay suffering from PTSD?

So it turns out we’ve all been reading this poor woman incorrectly. She was a connoisseur of great ales, and once she knew she was dying, she cried out for her favorite Belgian ale.

Buck would have never killed himself after murdering these cretins.

Gasp, there are pictures of Jimmy?

R151 Conrad would.

There's an interview with his friend, R152.

I can’t find a link to watch this.

Way too many political threads for the USA obsessed. Restrict them to a category please. No one else cares. Bury yourselves.

Whoops wrong thread

Just had to thank the OP for keeping this story alive, even if he IS a scummy motherfucker who don’t bother with nobody.

Can’t believe it was TWO years ago!

I’m also curious as to what Jimmmmaayyy! has been up to but I guess we’ll never know…

Didn't Mrs Goy want someone to call some man in the middle of this event?

I seem to remember some DL discussion about the man being an official or politician.

Anyone else remember this?

Christine Baranski!

R159 Wasn't he a cop?

R159 Brian Baranski. I think he was the sheriff? A cop, anyway.

We should crowdsource a project to get a paid reporter out there to get all the answers!

Have the houses been sold?

We wanted a TF thread for each.

Upon review, Mother Goy did indeed invoke the name of Christine Baranski during this altercation.

You are all my favorite scumbags who don't bother with nobody.

It was funny how the woman yelled "OWWWW!!" when she got shot the first time, like she stubbed her toe.

Did anyone find out about the Goys' funeral arrangements/burial location? We searched and searched for several weeks after the shootings but came up with nothing. No comments in the news from family members or friends either. It's as though they never existed. I recall only a former tenant speaking up on Reddit. He said they were nice and pleasant at first then eventually let their meanness show. I guess those "close" to the couple kept them at some distance.

I feel so bad for the son. He was described as being autistic with special needs. Who knows what kind of a relationship he had with his parents. If he did indeed dislike them or go through periods of actively hating his parents as many teens do, imagine him looking out the window and watching them being assholes and getting shot. I don't think he leaked the recording. It had to be someone connected with the sheriff's office. I wonder if that was ever investigated.

Spaide's former home sold for $180,000 in 2021. I love the description:

"Very well maintained 3 bedroom raised ranch in a quiet neighborhood. This property features an attached garage, large yard, deck, hardwood floors and so much charm! See it before it's gone."

Do the bullet holes convey?

Here is the Goy's lovely home. It sold a year ago for $132,900.

Does anybody know how to remove blood stains from concrete?

We may have been right all along about Spaide. That home is very, um, feminine-decorated.

And I love the fact that the Goy’s listing says

Parking spot: 0

(It’s the little things.)

R168, Legally, realtors must inform prospective buyers if a violent death/murder occurred in the house, but in this case I’m sure it was already known by all.

R171 It happened outside. He wasn't selling the fucking street.

R172, Jeff shot himself inside his house, you fucking moron.

Boys, boys, you’re both scummy muthafuckas.

You should of kept your fucking mouth shut, R174.

Well you don’t bother with nobody, r175!

Pussy, pussy, pussy, R176!

Yo ass ‘bout to be gurgling in front of your garage in a second!

Aaagghhhh, R178 shot me! Call the cops!!!

Jiiiiimmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyy!!!?!!

Weren't there two versions of the video? The extended and the directors cut?

Here’s an interview with JimMAY’s friend Gary Mitchell:

Hawt.

R173 Cunt, fuck, you are right. Lucky you didn't have a gun.

R183 He is dreamy.

A horror movie should be inspired by this whole fiasco. It should be campy as fuck. As one poster pointer out, this thing is campy in an inexplicable way. We should be sad right?

No, because when it happened our stupid ass president was telling the country to pour bleach up their ass. During the pandemic, and you know these folks were Trumpsters. It just was very surreal. And it's like in real time we saw two Magas get their comeuppance.

I'm sure Jeffery wore a mask. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the trashy Goys didn't.

I thought I read at the time that the couple had a special needs son at home. WHET happened to him?

It wasn't surprising to me that the Goys had biker connections.

I recall a picture of Papa Goy smiling in a bar while posing with active members of the Outlaws, the white, criminal meth-dealing biker gang. I'll search for it, but doubt I'll find it as the Goys seem to have been scrubbed from anything online, if they even had any profile to begin with, as dumb fuck white hillbilly criminals often don't. Any pictures tend to be incidental.

I remember that pic too, R189. Maybe it's in one of the original threads?

Were the Goys in Witness Relo or something

R158 It's my pleasure! This is such an iconic DL story. I couldn't possibly let it's anniversary pass without acknowledging it. There were quite a few loose ends to the story, I thought it worthy of post. What became of Jimaaaaay? Did we ever find out how and why the murder tape got leaked so quickly? Where are the Goys buried? Next to Jeff? etc, etc, etc... Glad you liked it R158!

R192 it’s bizarre how this story just disappeared.

I love how the listing for Jeff’s home states it’s in a “quiet” neighborhood!

That's so funny, isn't it? R193 / R158

I think like most news stories, the news cycle takes over and there's some other story that takes over. But this one, really has sparked interest on DL. I guess because it was so shocking. The footage was released so quickly, in full and was so violent. There was empathy for the killer, there was little sympathy for the Goys, we had a supporting cast of characters like Jimaaaaay and Brian Brianski. I wonder if they'll get spin off threads?

Essentially, we had all the hallmarks of a good DL thread, without going down some of the crazy paths that other websleuths went down. We stayed focussed on the main players.

It will give new subscribers hours of fun going through the threads. They're the stuff of legends and makes DL the great site that it is!

R194 So true! What Iove about the DL is our ability to parse a story and find some gallows humor!

That said, that video (the “director’s cut,” as some called it above) was one of the most shocking, disturbing things I’ve ever watched. The unblinking long shot from the Goys’ camera, the near perfect sound capture, the last few seconds of both Goys in their death throes, the last second appeal for justice via the mysterious Brian Baranski. Most of all, the utter banality of the event that triggered the slaughter (thought obviously this was just the straw that broke Jeff’s back).

I wonder how many neighbors watched the whole thing from their houses. And was Jimmmaaayyyyy outside in his yard the whole time? Imagine the emotional trauma of seeing this unfold on your street, knowing all those involved, maybe for years. SMH

Did Brian ever even comment?

I could never understand how the Goys were able to rip up their front lawn which could receive their driveway snow and put in a concrete parking pad which could not.

(Much less turn the little Goy house into a duplex which thus needed more parking.)

I’m too lazy to re-look up the property records and Google Earth Pro images but if I recall correctly, the parking pads came after Jeff purchased his place.

And thus the Goys had nowhere to shove their snow except across the street into Jeff’s little on-street parking spot carved in by a retaining wall. The property lines showed Jeff’s on-street parking spot was on his lot.

I always thought some investigative reporter would do a timeline exposing the township officials who approved the Goy’s ghettoizing duplex/parking pad remodeling but alas I guess not.

As much as I hate HOAs and county permitting requirements, I’ve found this case fascinating as to what can go wrong when one neighbor can “remodel” without thinking about the effect on neighbors.

R195 et al That's a wonderful synopsis of the thread.

No, Brian has stayed true to Ma & Pa Goy's legacy and to paraphrase, kept his fucking mouth *bang* shut!

R196 I think you've hit the nail on the head here with the crux of the problem.

The Goy's 'ghettoizing' of the area not only played a defining role in this whole debacle, but was the cause of it. The lack of natural drainage, caused by the Goy's greed and insistence to pave over their front garden, was a contributing factor to their deaths.

If they'd of engaged the help of a skilled and experienced town planner, then they would of had that pitfall pointed out to them and they might of been here today. Who knows?

I noticed in the interiors (and exteriors, for that matter) that the trashy Goys had only wall/window AC units. The wiring in the house also looked odd, with extention cords run for lamps, ceiling fans, and the aforementioned ACs.

My verdict is that they were straight outta the trailer park and retained that same, trashy behaviour when they "moved on up."

What was the last book read by each of the Goys?

[quote]If they'd of engaged the help of a skilled and experienced town planner, then they would of had that pitfall pointed out to them and they might of been here today.

Oh, muthafuckin DEAR!!

R201, I love you.

R199 Yes, their wiring was definitely not up to standard, yet the video footage of the killings was crystal clear and perfect.

R191 I think they would have a slightly nicer house if in witness relocation.

The interior of Spaide's home, which he only owned for a few years, mostly suggests that he didn't want to spend money freshening up a place that hadn't been upgraded since the '90s or early aughts.

Anybody have refresher MLS listings for either Spaide's or the Goy home?

[quote]And thus the Goys had nowhere to shove their snow except across the street into Jeff’s little on-street parking spot carved in by a retaining wall.

Okay, here's a more "down in the weeds" question: Jeff had a driveway & garage. So long as the driveway was clear, why get all bent out shape over the parking in front of the house? Yes, the Goys were extremely irritating & trashy, but even if you cleaned it out, a snowplow is liable to come down the street & fill it right back up when plowing the street.

Jeff's house hadn't been updated, but was neat & well maintained, though the basement kind of creeped me out since I'll bet that where he blew his brains out.

I think r572 in the linked thread (part 4) is the photo of Goy with his Outlaw biker buddies. I've had spotty roaming today so I'm not sure if it's my phone or if the site is down.

R207 Well Jeff or a previous owner had the parking space on the front of his property created, for whatever reason. Maybe his driveway became particularly icy or he was on call for the water department and needed to get moving quickly in case of sewage malfunction or it was just more convenient for him. Whatever reason, Jeff wanted to enjoy that amenity unfettered on his own property and the Goys were interfering with his enjoyment of it.

Much in the same way that if I came into your home and took a dump in your closet, you'd be cheesed off, regardless of whether you used the closet.

That's what got to Jeff. The Goys were habitual shit, I mean snow shovellers.

I want r209 to marry me if for no other reason than using the phrase “cheesed off.” I love it!

R206, see r168 and r169.

Why we even told you, I don’t know cause you don’t bother with nobody!

[quote] though the basement kind of creeped me out since I'll bet that where he blew his brains out.

OMG! I saw that and thought the same thing! But if I recall correctly, he actually blew his brains out on webcam, so it may have been on the main level. That’s footage I don’t believe we saw.

R212, Jeff shot himself as the police were entering his house to question him, in his dining room, I believe.

“Following the carnage Monday, a witness reported seeing Spaide pacing inside his home near a window. He then shot himself as police approached, Luzerne County District Attorney Stefanie Salavantis said Tuesday.“

Thanks r211. Apparently, I *don't* bother with some people lol

Spaide's house, while umm...feminine...is MUCH nicer than the Goy's dump. Nicer backyard too.

He didn't do it on webcam, R212. That was a rumor from Reddit and ended up being about another suicide.

Someone in his state of mind--and knowing the cops were about to break down his door--wouldn't have cared if his brains splattered on the dining room floor, chairs, tables, and walls. It reminds me a bit of when the cops finally found Cunanan in the houseboat and he blew his brains out. I would imagine knowing the walls are closing in on you would only make you more paranoid and willing to end it all.

Thanks, r216.

Thanks, R208. Unfortunately, those links have been taken down but I distinctly remember the photos of Pa Goy and the bikers too.

Here's a fantastic quote from Part Five of the original threads. I think it holds true to this day! It's R16 in the linked thread.

[quote] This slice of America has it all: a Karen gets hers but goes down calling for the manager; fat-bellied 50 year old biker deplorable from Pennsyltucky; cute twinks tryin' to help ole lady get up; bullying of a gay (how can you feel that bad about these assholes?); an "environmental engineer" or maybe sewage worker - with an arsenal and a nice house across from a slumlord and his trashy car-laden yard, throwing ice on the hated neighbor's lawn, in cahoots with a local copper, an autistic son whose mother wasn't crying for as she lay dying and cussing...

[quote] Can you make this story sappy, Spielberg?

R210 I'm single and available! 😀

R220 Well found!!! That perfectly sums up the story!

You can see why it's become a DL fave!

This story gained traction on DL because Spaide's looks were unknown for a very long time. He had minimal presence on the internet. So, DLers could speculate that he was at least semi-hot.

Once people posted photos and people found out he looked like an accountant or a random government worker, DLers did lose interest quickly in the story.

R223 It's now an 8 part thread, with the last post being last year. So DLers didn't lose interest quickly, they were still talking about the case until very recently.

This Anniversary thread is a testament to that.

A clever YouTuber could dovetail the property records and Google Earth Timeline images along with interviews with Baranski, town officials who approved the ghettoizing by the Goys, Jeff’s family talking about how he purchased a nice house in a quiet neighborhood, the Goy’s autistic son, and Jiiiimmmaaay.

There are great lessons to be learned about this case.

I do feel bad for the Goy's son. I can't recall if he was home, but it seems he would be. If so, I wonder if he actually witnessed the whole thing firsthand? I would imagine the first part he probably didn't even look out the window ("Mom and Dad, yelling at the neighbors AGAIN") but after the first gunshot, I'm sure he did.

What a horrific thing to have seen as a kid. I really hope he's in a safe, nurturing environment far away from the place that changed his life forever.

R226 Yes, he was home when all this kicked off. I believe he did witness it too. If you heard your parents yelling outside, then the sound of gunshots, I think you might take a look. Must have been very traumatic, if he did. I hope he got counseling.

He's with his grandparents, I believe. Let's hope that they're not as confrontational as their children.

If they are, they won’t be for long.

*evil laugh*

R228 Thank you Jeff from beyond the grave!

Pa Goy - few details.

Ma Goy's details.

With a beautiful and fitting tribute from a DLer.

Don't overlook the "flower" someone left on Mr. Goy's flower page..."let it snow"

That must be someone off of here! R232

Completely agree r233

^Possibly, but the people on Reddit were pretty anti-Goy too. Even though those two may have been horrible at home, most people generally put on a good face at work, church, that kind of thing, but there was no one that came forward & said something kind or even sympathetic about them.

R235 Did they set up the tribute to Jeff on Facebook do you think?

[quote] I noticed in the interiors (and exteriors, for that matter) that the trashy Goys had only wall/window AC units. The wiring in the house also looked odd, with extention cords run for lamps, ceiling fans, and the aforementioned ACs. My verdict is that they were straight outta the trailer park and retained that same, trashy behaviour when they "moved on up."

Yup, the Goys were POS newly up scale white trailer trash. Motherfuckers all the way to the grave.

On the anniversary, one of the burning unanswered questions is - Jimmmmmaaaaayyyyy, where the hell are you, are you Ok?

Jimaaaaay is a good boy and likely in his PTSD counseling session right now!

The sky was so gray that day!

R240 I think that was a contributing factor to the slaying.

Jimaaaay, This is mommy from heaven. I want you to know that Buck would have never laid cowering in his room while we lay dying.

I’m going to recreate this scene in my Christmas Village. Where my cotton and ketchup at?

Don’t forget the pepper to look like gunpowder.

[quote] I’m going to recreate this scene in my Christmas Village. Where my cotton and ketchup at?

Ah yes, DL creativity at its best. DL never fails to live up to the challenge.

Would make an idea scene for the DL 2023 Christmas cards.

I'll get 3 gross run up at the printers.

R243, I’m no artiste or anything, but I was thinking you could use oatmeal to appear as brain matter from Ma Goy.

(Just a thought. I don’t want to stifle your creativity!)

[quote]Would make an idea scene for the DL 2023 Christmas cards.

Merry Christmas, ya scummy muthafucka!

R248 is a PUSSY!

Did we cover Brian's controversial law enforcement appointment back in the 90s?

Bitches, go to R378 in this thread. It's fucking GOLD. Old fashioned, DL gold!!

I hope YouStoleMyGoddamnHouse is still with us.

Is anyone still alive from that debacle, or has the whole neighborhood been consumed by now?

Thanks!

R18 I guess a lot of people here agree with you, your post got a lot of likes. I found it horrifying. I think you people watch too much TV and mix up theater with real life. I can't watch people being killed and laugh about it.

R253 For some reason your post made me chuckle. If so what is this a Coen Brothers film.

Jiiiimmmmmaaaay made it out alive, R253.

Well Jimmmmmmmay and Brian Baranski are still with us.

That's gotta be good, right?

Where is our TV movie of the week? We’ve been more than patient. They don’t bother with nobody!

Harkening back to r67 (which is my post) I hope that these posts didn't distress his family. I hope they didn't interpret "DL" as "down low". Even though he probably was but only his DL family is accepting of that?

Have we ever found a picture of Jimmaaaaaaayyyyyy!!!!????

I mean r68.

R260 I can't remember if Jimmmaaay was just referred to by his neighbour, or if there was a local news interview with him. I know there was one with Gary.

I don’t think we ever saw Jimmmmaayyy but the DL collective mind decided he had to be hot.

I hate my neighbors too

You FUCKER YOU!

R264 is a scummy motherfucker who don’t bother with nobody.

my neighbors are people with no lives of their own and just sit there and gossip about other people. I don't like them nor do I deal with them.

[quote]I don’t think we ever saw Jimmmmaayyy but the DL collective mind decided he had to be hot.

But we did see Jimmmmmayyy, albeit briefly. When the Goys got bullets in both of their big fat mouths, two guys ran up to help them. One, I believe, was Gary and I’m assuming the other one was our boy Jimmmmmayyy.

R268 You’re right! I stand corrected!!

R268 Yes, you're right, we did indeed see Jimaaaaay and Gary rush out, check on Pa Goy, see he was gurgling in a pool of blood, then get the hell out of there, before Jeff returned.

I thought that we saw Jimaaaaay on a local news report, but maybe I was mixing him up with Gary.

Is there a link to the tableau?

AHHH He Shot Me! Call the police!

I met a gay man from Plains, PA the other day and immediately brought up the case. He lived there at the time. He had no idea what I was talking about

R273 doing the work for the DL! Thank you!

R273, did you snatch his gay card away?

R273 - that was Jimaaaaay. His mama doesn’t know he’s a homosexual so he’s trying not to draw attention!

I watched that video too many times. Was glued to the classic Jimmmmmmmy thread

Jimaaaaay must have an Onlyfans for you guys by now.

R273 here. I'm seeing the guy tonite. I'm going to grill him more on the topic. Watch it be that he lives on the same block. If he's hiding anything I'll get it out of him by whatever means necessary. And he thinks he's coming over for a cuddle date!

R279 You MUST find out if he knows Brian Baranski! I mean, everyone knows Brian!

Ask him if he ever hooked up with Jeffery, R279?

R15 Jesus why is that girl lying in the road. Some of us have to bring our lil bastards to school.

R279 thank you for your service

R279 If you've gotta put out for the information then do it!

Like he wouldn't have put out anyway?

He's a scummy muthafucka who don't bother with nobody anyhow.

OMG!!! Watch/rewatch the video at R15. At 0:53 Ma Goy reaches into her side pocket and pulls out her own rod/gat/piece/heater/gun and starts aiming it at Jeffrey! *THAT* is why she taunts him with: "Go ahead! GO AHEAD!! - she was ready to unload on HIM but he beat her to the proverbial punch!!!

I can't believe it's taken me over two years and untold repeated viewings to finally notice this detail!

I can't believe it's taken you untold repeated viewings to be wrong.

That was her cell phone she pulled out.

R287 - You don't turn your cell phone on its side and point/aim it like a gun, which is exactly what she did.

Dude, this has been litigated right here on the DL two years ago when it occurred. She was taken cell phone video. Watch it again.

And again, if necessary.

I did the scene as my Lawn Nativity last Christmas. It was interesting how seamless the transition was.

Okay - thanks R289! Who am I to question the collection wisdom of our DataLoungers? I stand corrected.

(It still looked like she was pointing it like a gun . . . )

I remember first seeing this video. The Magas were at their height as creeps and shit stirrers. They made life hell. It was wonderful to watch.

You're cute af, r291.

But don't call me a pussy or I will Spaide you.

For many hiking and climbing mountains are a big passion and they go into each excursion knowing the risks. In 2018 freestyle climber Marc-Andre Leclerc, age 25, died in an avalanche climbing the north Face of the Mendenhall Towers, which are North of Juneau, Alaska. There is a documentary on him, The Alpinist, an inspiring but tragic story. They never attempted to try to find his body. They knew the approximate location by they saw the climbing rope buried in an avalanche of snow. They understood he died either instantly from the weight being buried alive, or within minutes from suffocation.

I doubt Julian Sands truly understood the risks against him on his last like.

R294 has dementia.

^^Presumably wrong thread.

Unless the Goys actually whacked him before getting into their dispute with Jeff.

At r296, leap over and put those arrows for r294.

R279 Please be prepare to present hole for this information.

R294 is a scummy muthafucka who don’t botha wit nobody!

[quote] I’m going to recreate this scene in my Christmas Village. Where my cotton and ketchup at?

How lovely, and what a beautiful thought. It brings a sense of realism to the otherwise tranquil landscape.

R15 I never tire of watching a unique and different take on a winter scene video. Especially when it includes repeated utterances of - muthafucker by the entire cast of characters.

I’d love to know if the Goy assholes were high on opioids.

Jimmmmmaaaaaayyyyy!!!!!!!

R279 Well?! Don’t leave us hanging!

He's still in the sack with the dude trying to get some info.

R305 hahahahaha! dats da suckjob!

Sorry guys. He said oh yeah I remember that but I didn't know anybody involved in it. He was a really sweet guy though and much better looking than his Scruff pic. Otherwise I would have thrown him to the curb in the freezing hail like rain. On the TV shows though they always say they know nothing at first . . .

R307 don’t bother with nobody!

Maybe it was actually…….Jimmmayyyy?

You motherfuckers breathed. You took up space and don't bother with nobody.

I don't think Jimmy was one of the guys who came out to the scene. The guy who got shot was named James Goy. I think the woman screaming Jimmy was screaming at him after he got shot. It could have been his mother. Didn't his parents live up the street?

Just a thought. Carry on.

R311- You breathed. You took up space. You don't bother with nobody.

Shirley reddit has a breakdown somewhere on the identity of Jimmmmmmaaaay

The solution to this is always an 8 part thread

[quote]Shirley reddit has a breakdown somewhere on the identity of Jimmmmmmaaaay

They might, but don't call me Shirley.

😉 r315

Pushy huh??

Well, the Goys made it onto national TV

No jimmmaaaaay but there's a good looking young man named Gary Mitchell that was neighbor's to these ppl

There's another thread going on this.

R28 To me this is more than just obnoxious. The way they taunt this man and the vicious name calling is down right mean spirited. I don’t know what was going on between these neighbors to make them so confrontational towards one another. The humanity was lost long ago. Obviously these people didn’t deserve to be gunned down gangland style over a simple snow dispute. I watch this video every so often and there is something very chilling about it. However upon watching it the first time during the heart of Covid and lies after 4 years of Trump and his ilk being the most immoral, deplorable, down right jerks on the planet there something gratifying about it. They were making this guys life a living hell. He even says it. It’s all so very sad.

I look forward to this lovely story each year like a tradition. This week, I'll alternate cooking, reading this thread, watching A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving, and sneaking in some Christmas music a little early.

I think what also makes it gratifying is the sheer arrogant ignorance even to the very end. A deeply disturbed individual is coming at you with a semiautomatic and still indignant hatred, taunting. They already seem like unlikeable Magas but it’s utterly mind blowing. RIP. We all gotta go sometime. Some of us will go by cussing out neighbors out first.

[QUOTE]I’d love to know if the Goy assholes were high on opioids.

This is a really good point. I've kept wondering since I first saw the video why these people didn't have the good sense to be afraid when they had a gun pointed at them. Stunning. I chalked it up to arrogance and being accustomed to bullying their way through the neighborhood. Opioids help explain. I took Norcos after surgery to repair a broken wrist and elbow following a nasty spill. Wow. I had not a worry in the world despite having many reasons why should have been. It was a peak IDGAF.

R324 But if they were on opioids, wouldn't you think they'd be more mellow and not the nasty, horrific, confrontational cunts that they were?

Maybe they were alcoholics. Alcohol can make people act out very nastily.

My favorite 8 part thread.

My guess is that Spaide had brandished a gun, in the past, but didn’t shoot. So, this time, the Goys thought he wouldn’t shoot.

[QUOTE]But if they were on opioids, wouldn't you think they'd be more mellow and

I'm not sure, r325, especially if they're long term addicts. I can't imagine any pharmaceutical blunting their raging personality disorders.

R325 Agreed that’s why I think more uppers like Adderall or cocaine. But then again the euphoric feeling of opioids cannot be ignored. One is only going to be as mellow as your personality allows you to be. They say you can’t fix stupid. Maybe you can’t fix trashy too.

Those two nudniks typify Trump voters better than anyone.