Academy ‘Conducting Review’ After Andrea Riseborough’s Surprise Oscar Nomination

This has Academy member Ava DuVernay written all over it.

R1 Jada more like.

What s shitty thing to do to this actress. Oscars so shit.

Andrea, you in danger, girl.

That would be depressing, if you were the nominee : (

The Oscar's are officially dead. RIP.

This makes no sense at all. This will infuriate middle America and regular white people. So things are suspicious because she didn't actively campaign with huge billboards and lots of $$$. Wouldn't that mean the system is working and egalitarian.

Of course, this is next level cunting because someone dared not nominate the black actresses.

I think Andrea's tremendous!

R5 SHE IS NOT BLACK.

[quote]a nomination over the likes of Viola Davis (“The Woman King”)

LOL - seriously? Did people see that pile of silliness?

She didn't campaign with billboards but used "aggressive" tactics, like getting A-list endorsements, include Cate Blanchette, another nominee?

R8, That's a big part of my point. I know that. Reread my post.

LA LA LAND!

She absolutely deserves the nomination. This is vile.

Shouldn't the Academy conduct a review of how Grace Kelly won over Judy then give her the Oscar posthumously?

The Asians never had actresses nominated until Parasite, andI only one male win for supporting actor (Killing Fields?).. We get what- one lead, one supporting actress, 2 male supportings this year and all of a sudden we've taken over the awards. Boo fucking hoo.

For years the Oscar's were horrible at diversity and inclusion. But they have gotten a lot better in the past 2 decades.

With that being said, the shit is still a fkin popularity contest and nose browsing spectacle. If black Hollywood elites are behind this they ought be ashamed. Black popular actors who give great performances are usually nominated and increasingly those from smaller films or buzzworthy performances.

Diversity ain't gna change the nature of what this shit is about. And there are bigger causes in the world like the young black man who got his ass beat to death by fucking black cops. Have any of them posted THAT on their social media.

This is all just so dumb. Oscars don’t actually mean anything anyway.

Miyoshi Umeki, 1958

You're welcome.

Did you have to look that up r17? Would anyone be able to throw that out if that if you asked them? Almost 60 years from her win to Parasite.

R5 this will infuriate white people? Why? They said nothing about Black people. You were just assuming as usual that this is about Black people. In reality, it is not about Black people, but it is about the fact that a woman got a nomination for an Oscar, despite having no award nominations leading up to this. And she only started campaigning days before the Oscar nominations were announced. So how do you think it has to do with Black people when it has to do with the fact that she got a nomination, despite hardly campaigning?

Viola Davis should have her Oscar stripped for her wretched portrayal of Michelle Obama, much less nominated again for that Woman King dreck.

R19 And no Russian has won an acting Oscar.

P.S. And never a lead actress/actor win ever. And it wasn't Parasite, it was Minar in 2020i, for supporting actress.

What a fucked up shitty thing to do to her. Her nomination now has an asterisk tainting it because of some bullshit complaining.

More surprising to me was the nomination for Ana De Armis

The Parasite actors weren’t nominated.

R24 it isn’t about complaining. It’s about her being nominated for a movie most voters didn’t even see, and for a campaign that started DAYS before Oscars were announced. Something fishy happened.

We are in scary times. The woke mob will never be pleased. The only way we're gonna get out of this is if we refuse to acquiesce to these online monsters. She got in based on merit and now they want to rescind her nomination because she's not black.

She only had to get 218 votes out of nearly ten thousand members? That is utterly fucking ridiculous. Her nomination should be immediately rescinded. Voting needs to be much more transparent. What a mess.

AND THE AWARD GOES TO... LA LA LAND!*

*no...no...wait,

[quote]This will infuriate middle America and regular white people.

As opposed to irregular white people?

Jesus you kooks see culture war bullshit in literally everything.

Thanks for the goddamn support, poo-stabbers!

The movie made $27,000. Quite literally almost no one saw it, and that most likely includes her friends who put together an extremely aggressive and loud campaign for her. Now, they’re facing investigations (Frances Fisher is apparently being looked at) and it all looks really dirty. It makes zero sense that Deadwyler who has been part of the conversation for months and nominated for multiple awards is suddenly out of the running because some unknown old white actress that no one has seen or cares about in years has powerful friends. Bullshit.

poo stabbers LOL

I knew this was going to happen the moment I read about her campaign. Academy members aren't going to want this to become the new normal. Not because this kind of campaign obviously favors white artists with larger networks, but because this would lead to voters getting harassed through the entire voting period. The e-mails sent out for Riseborough's campaign were so damn pushy that they were being told to post about the movie every day on social media.

Frances Fisher is also a cunt for saying that the other actresses were shoo-ins and it sounds like her post may have broken a rule.

[quote]Did you have to look that up [R17]?

Sadly, no.

This squabble will damage the Academy much more than Will Smith was able to.

The Academy is shocked, stunned, appalled, agast, FLABBERGASTED to hear that someone has campaigned for a nomination. This is a truly unprecedented act and threatens the esteem in which the Academy is held, and indeed its reputation for voting integrity.

The Academy will be conducting a thorough investigation, and will take all action necessary, up to and including sending Academy Award winner Will Smith round to give Miss Riseborough one of his traditional televised vicious slappings.

Frances Fisher, return to the sidelines, please. You're not needed on the field.

Frances Fisher.

Thank you.

Was the film available on streaming services or does the $27,000 gross represent the entirety of people who saw it?

[quote]There’s a cottage industry that’s emerged around the Oscars, one that generates a lot of money for strategists and advisors. Riseborough may have imperiled that and could be facing blowback for working outside the system.

Oooooooooooooh.

R40 Isn't on download sites.

This stuff happens.

R40 It was made available to Academy voters through their viewing portals. Part of Riseborough's campaign was e-mailing and calling voters to tell them that the movie was available and that they should watch it.

How embarrassing this entire fiasco must be for her.

Let’s cut the equity nonsense, shall we?

Rogerebert dot com did call it “One of the best performances you will see this year.” So it’s not like Scott Baio was suddenly nominated.

(BTW: It’s odd to me that such a site keeps generating reviews after his death. Maybe THAT should be investigated!)

Is it kosher for potential nominees to directly call and email voters?

The whole thing is rigged toward the more commercial properties. If lots of people thought she was worth getting behind like that, why not?

Why couldn't the Academy have kept its collective mouths SHUT until after the ceremony - if they felt the need to say anything at all? IMO it's not like she's going to win the thing. Even if she does, let her have her moment. She is a talented actress and by all reports gave a stunning performance in To Leslie. Let the film find an audience.

And be sure to tune in to he 95th Academy Awards ceremony presented on March 12, 2023, where the laughs will be non-stop and all the zaniness continues!

[quote]It makes zero sense that Deadwyler who has been part of the conversation for months and nominated for multiple awards is suddenly out of the running because some unknown old white actress that no one has seen or cares about in years has powerful friends.

It's not against the rules to advocate for a nomination. Unless the voting process was tainted, I don't know what the remedy is supposed to be. And if it is proven tainted, then all nominees are suspect and the process should begin again, with safeguards in place.

Whoever is leading this investigation could perhaps put their energy behind more important causes impacting black people negatively. Boo fucking hooo 2 rich black bitches didn’t get nominated for a little trophy. They got paid didn't they?

Is it that fucking serious? What a waste of ' investigation '

Ms Riseborough should Tell The Academy to go fuck themselves.

All I did was produce and mail out -- on my own dime -- VHS tapes to eligible voters so they could make an informed decision and I was raked over the coals like I was Satan or something.

I wasn't aware campaigning was verboten.

No R48. There’s precedent for people having noms rescinded because of that. There isn’t evidence Riseborough did that, but her friends did.

I wish Andrea would say FUCK YOU and withdraw. How insulting and infuriating.

Because there’s been an uproar for days R50 and the industry is talking about nothing else.

Who is behind this?

She should withdraw R59 because she should never have been nominated in the first place.

Everyone R61. This isn’t an orchestrated campaign against her. People are really furious.

R44, are they able to track what voters watch on their viewing portals?

- R40

[quote] We are in scary times. The woke mob will never be pleased.

Oh yes it’s the WoKe MoB that’s the problem, not the violent far right racist Nazis trying to take over the government lead by a reality TV show loser, you fucking racist Trumpie moron.

Sit down and shut the fuck up.

The first time that I visited LA I was surprised at the number of billboards all over the place for various movies / actors with “For Your Consideration” plastered along the top.

That was years ago when I was naive and wasn’t aware of campaigns to get movies and people the award.

HEY AMPAS - KEEP MY NAME OUT. YOUR. FUCKING. MOUTH.

This has Jada Punkass Smith written all over it.

So the Academy thinks her nomination is fishy, because she somehow outsmarted their fixed, pre-selected Affirmative Action picks. Got it.

[Quote] She only had to get 218 votes out of nearly ten thousand members? That is utterly fucking ridiculous. Her nomination should be immediately rescinded. Voting needs to be much more transparent. What a mess.

Is the acting branch made up of 10K members because only actors NOMINATE actors? I don't think so R29. The entire membership all NOMINATE Best Picture only.

R69 you think Jada is that powerful? What a laugh

This is likely neither about race or artistic merit. It's financial. All of the other films nominated had substantial investors, including voting academy members, who get a substantial cut of the normal revenue boost that comes with a nomination or a win. No one in the academy had a financial interest in Riseborough's film. They don't stand to gain anything financially from its nomination, or its potential win. They do, however, have a lot to lose if an expected nominee from a film they invested in did not make it into one of the big three categories.

R62 = Whoopi

How many voting members does the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Science have?

8,469 voting members

I don’t remember her in BIRDMAN, but she was fantastic in BLACK MIRROR.

Addendum at R72. By, "no one in the academy invested in Riseborough's film", I mean with the possible exception of those who campaigned hard for her as best actress.

Ruh roh!. Love it. I hope this Andrea chick withdraws to make this more messy

This feels like a made up scandal to cover for the fact that the president of the Academy essentially told people to vote for Yeoh and retweeted a campaign event for Everything Everywhere

Is someone at the Academy in contact with DJT, Kari Lake and Marjorie T. Greene?

The Academy conducting an internal "review"> The ACADEMY?

That's like the Supreme Court justices investigating themselves and finding no one released the thing that was released.

Is Alito running the Academy, too?

So the black actresses are mad they didn't get nominated so they now want an investigation..these people are so entitled

I suspect the stink is because she has the nerve to be white, denying another worthy nomination to another African Princess Queen Yes Goddess Pride Mother with Superpowers.

Idiots.

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[quote]Someone seems to have informed Academy president Janet Yang that she probably shouldn’t be posting a lengthy endorsement of Everything Everywhere All at Once star Michelle Yeoh just as Oscar voting was starting this weekend. Influential plugs like that are considered a no-no for Academy leaders, especially its president, and especially during the height of a heated Oscar campaign. Yang lauded her “four decades of love” for Yeoh, adding “it’s sobering why it took so long” for the awards recognition; she also posted a video of a Netflix campaign event for Pinocchio filmmaker Guillermo del Toro, but at least that was at an Academy venue.

[quote]A couple Academy members reached out to me to voice frustration about Yang’s quasi-endorsements (none connected to Cate Blanchett or any Yeoh rival), and by this morning, when I asked the Academy about it, Yang had deleted the posts. The Academy isn’t commenting.

[quote]She only had to get 218 votes out of nearly ten thousand members? That is utterly fucking ridiculous. Her nomination should be immediately rescinded. Voting needs to be much more transparent. What a mess.

Please. The Oscars are an entertainment show that almost nobody outside of Hollywood cares about. Get a grip.

These fools give themselves televised awards on a yearly basis and take themselves as seriously as a heart attack.

An “investigation” into some actresses posting on their Instagrams?

Lord the DRAMA.

[quote]Imagine if the Academy decided to replace Riseborough in Best Actress with the 6th place finisher and it ended up being, like, Olivia Colman for Empire of Light.

LOL

In the few past instances of a nomination being rescinded, a new nominee was not added to the list. The category simply had fewer nominees.

Her performance was incredible, definitely Oscar worthy. This is just a case of sour grapes. Hollywood is full of bitter cunts.

I was incorrect before. To Leslie has been available to download since October.

Okay, so, several famous people devoted their time to ask their friends to check out this flop of a movie that was actually quite wonderful, because they felt the lead actress gave a legendary performance and truly deserved the career boost that an Oscar nomination could potentially provide. And many of the friends actually watched it, and enough of those who watched it were moved to vote for Ms. Riseborough right before the deadline that she made it onto the list.

I'm not seeing the crime here. To my knowledge, no one is being accused of coercing or threatening anyone to vote a certain way. And if campaigning for a nom isn't kosher, then what the hell do you call billboards, press junkets, trade paper ads, and luncheons? The last minute aspect of it is some Frank Capra shit, so how can they object to it?

And if by some strange reason they decide there was indeed wrongdoing in this case, what the hell does the academy think they can do about it? Are they going to ban members from recommending movies to their friends? How ridiculous.

The entire process has as much integrity as a pro wrestling match, so all this pearl clutching is just silly.

You know it r83.

This is some bitter black bitches who feel they're automatically entitled to a nomination.

nominations should definitely be given the traditional way only - by spending millions and millions of dollars for publicity. none of this word of mouth shit, it's undignified.

Woke culture - everybody wants a participation trophy.

This is the most ridiculous thing ever. So the Academy admits the award isn't about merit, it's about campaigning and pandering. The Bafta is now more prestigious than the Oscar's in my book.

I fucks heavy with Marlon Brando. He was on to something.

[quote]I fucks heavy with Marlon Brando.

Pix please.

The Academy's nominating process is shady and corrupt?? I'm SHOCKED!

At this point I hope she wins. I don't even know who this bitch is. These fkin millionaires act like they are winning the mafuckin Nobel Peace Prize. Fuck em all.

The excuse on the usual places seems to be that other candidates did the 'work' by 'properly' campaigning and Riseborough instead was going the easy route, instead of going around kissing ass she got word of mouth going via friends. Just seems to be working smarter not harder to me.

Also, this was being talked about for weeks, so it's odd that the Academy is all of a sudden now shocked to find gambling going on.

R82, I thought so too but many are saying this is not about black actresses but that should pulled a social media, friends in high places campaign. Wtf is wrong withthat.

So she pulled a Trump. So what. Kudos to her.

And I hate fkin Trump.

R99: She deserves to win. Williams and De Armas nominations are trash and don't even deserve to be there. Blanchett and Yeoh are just nomination worthy and that's it.

R97, HAlAhaha. I wish; he was fine in youth. It's an expression dear.

So corrupt

DIY campaigns have been around for years. Shit, that’s how Diane Ladd got her 2nd and 3rd nominations. She actually got the movie studio to give her three VHS cassettes of Wild at Heart that she loaned to her friends in the Academy, and she would also host spaghetti dinners in her home for voters and then play the film after dinner. Because the studio wasn't going to spend a dime on an Oscar campaign for Wild at Heart and they didn't.

[quote]She only had to get 218 votes out of nearly ten thousand members? That is utterly fucking ridiculous.

No R29. If you had bothered to actually read the article, it says that she needed to be ranked first on 218 out of a possible 1,302 ballots. That is assuming that all 1,302 members of the Actors Branch voted. (They probably didn't.)

The Academy uses a proportional ranked-choice voting system and only the Actors Branch nominates actors. The full Academy membership votes on the final ballot.

[quote] I wasn't aware campaigning was verboten. -Melissa Leo

Neither were we. ~ AnnE Hathaway and Kate Winslet

I suppose this'll be a yearly thing now. People getting slapped and questioning people's nominations.

Unless they can prove that she paid voters from her own checking account, this is stupid. Even if she hired a PR firm, who cares? They all do that.

Paul Mescal took a spot from a small film and no one is accusing him of cheating.

Both Bill Nighy and Paul Mescal were out of left field nominees to me as well. Does that make their inclusion in the Best Actor category 'fishy' or just unexpected?

Margaret Avery always has my heart with her campaign.

R73’s comment is worth repeating:

[quote][bold]It's financial. All of the other films nominated had substantial investors, including voting academy members, who get a substantial cut of the normal revenue boost that comes with a nomination or a win.[/bold] No one in the academy had a financial interest in Riseborough's film. They don't stand to gain anything financially from its nomination, or its potential win. [bold]They… have a lot to lose if an expected nominee from a film they invested in did not make it into one of the big three categories.[/bold]

[quote]It's financial. All of the other films nominated had substantial investors, including voting academy members, who get a substantial cut of the normal revenue boost that comes with a nomination or a win. No one in the academy had a financial interest in Riseborough's film. They don't stand to gain anything financially from its nomination, or its potential win. They… have a lot to lose if an expected nominee from a film they invested in did not make it into one of the big three categories.

Go Woke, Go Broke.

R109 has a very good point and I’d like to expand on it

Paul Mescal was a surprise nomination, and people were delighted. Why aren’t people mad about that?

Or even closer to home, Ana de Armas starred in a film which is this year’s Razzie LEADER. But no one is investigating her nomination?

Paul Mescal and Ana de Armas get passes and Andrea Riseborough doesn’t because Andrea Riseborough has already passed her LAST FUCKABLE DAY. She is no use to Hollywood, and her existence as an aging actor who was never a stunning beauty (like Brendan Fraser once was), acting virtuoso (like Blanchett) or esteemed veteran (Bill Nighy) infuriates the people at the top of the pyramid who make the rules. How dare Andrea Riseborough remind people that she exists!

[quote]At this point I hope she wins. I don't even know who this bitch is

Ha- I was going to post something similar, although I had streamed the movie last month and was familiar with it. I freaking love when an unexpected nominee wins over an odds on favorite. I totally **MARY'd**out the years when Anthony Hopkins won over Boseman, and Olivia Coleman won over Glenn. This year it's already a forgone conclusion that Yeoh has it in the bag.

Bingo r114. Beautifully said.

The Academy should be reviewing/investigating how the fuck Ana de Armas got a nomination for that piss poor performance in Blonde.

Brian Tyree Henry also came out of nowhere to nab a nomination. Didn't he have actors like Jennifer Lawrence campaigning for him?

BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO FUCK ME!

I AM HOLLYWOOD!

I’m sorry Whoopi and Viola, but voters probably didn’t even watch your films. Nothing is guaranteed.

r117 all I can think is that she fucked the right people. I can't explain her "stardom" or Oscar nomination another way. She's a horrible actress and completely boring.

Sorry this doesn't have Jade P, Smith all over it.

This has WHOOPI GOLDBERG all over it. She sits on the board of governors for the Oscars and she's been pissed that her film 'Till' was ignored. Especially ignored in the 'best actress' category. I say she launched this investigation - she has lost a lot with the snub.

#OscarsSoScared

Count me as one of the ones who wondered how the fuck Ana de Armas got a nomination. I had heard only heard shitty things about the movie and given all the Razzies nominations the day before, it was a real head scratcher.

This all came about because of one person: Patti Lupone.

That's right. She called Riseborough a "movie killer" on Andy Cohen's "Watch What Happens Live" and said she would never sit through a movie she starred in. The Academy took note.

And the bigots, racists and the mono-syllabic "Woke" assholes are out in force.

So typical of the DL nowadays.

It's time for the Oscars to go away.

They were a mechanism to promote and market Hollywood.

Well done. You've had a good, and bad, run.

For years, the only reason to watch them was for the DL threads about the Red Carpet fashions and to read, post and laugh about the train-wreck, I'm-caught-in-its-tractor-beam-and-can't-look-away aspect to the TV spectacle itself.

And now, even that's gone.

For crying out loud, AMPAS, cancel yourself.

They are not happy because they wanted an AA to be nominated

Riseborough's performance is definitely Oscar-worthy, it's devastating in its realness. If you've ever known a severe alcoholic, this is exactly what it looks like.

I hope she wins. Not just for her performance, but as a big "fuck you" to the Academy.

I hope she wins, too. And turn down all subsequent offers to do a superhero movie.

[quote]whether changes to the guidelines may be needed in a new era of social media and digital communication.

Oh, this is going to be interesting. Imagine if they tell Jane Fonda she can't post on social media about a movie and performance she liked.

what r73 said, too.

Riseborough should insist that she will not recognize her nomination, nor will she attend the telecast.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against her.

But if she announces that now, and follows through, that truly would be a "conspicuous by their absence" moment, and would generate even more interest and curiosity about her.

The AMPAS and Riseborough, except for this nomination, have ignored each other up to this point, so why not?

[quote]Sally Kirkland famously wrote letters to voters and spoke with any available journalist to promote herself in the tiny dramedy “Anna” (1987.)

Didn't help.

Between "Till," "Wakawanda Forever" and the Will Smith redemption failure, how about letting up a little, Dear Black People in the Business?

I was going to say "lightening" but you're so fucking hyper you'd probably make a movie about your outrage.

Thanks!

[quote]R131 Riseborough should insist that she will not recognize her nomination, nor will she attend the telecast.

Fuck that. She’s a good actress and did nothing wrong. And she hired a PR firm to orchestrate her campaign, so she’s rightly invested.

All performers are in the business of promoting themselves. Or should be, if they want to advance.

All this fuss about merely getting nominated...

I was a nominator for the SAG awards, and watched To Leslie. I thought she was great but the first half of the movie was hard to sit through. Then I saw her in two other roles, completely different to the one in To Leslie, the harridan cockney mother in Matilda, and the very rich, elegant and spoiled wife of Christian Bale in Amsterdam. At that point I knew she was brilliant and figured she could play anything. They should keep her and get rid of Ana de Armas.

R136 Can I suck your dick ?

Interesting article about the furor in 1935 when Bette Davis wasn't nominated for "Of Human Bondage."

"Demands for write-in votes began pouring in. Even nominee Norma Shearer expressed her support for giving Davis a chance."

[quote]they wanted an AA to be nominated

Andrea played someone who didn't need AA.

The manufactured controversy is classism as she is working class from Newcastle playing destitute in West Texas.

"This makes no sense at all. This will infuriate middle America and regular white people"

Most white people have never seen this movie and don't know who the actress is

"They are not happy because they wanted an AA to be nominated"

According to racist dataloungers.

Fuck all of you Klan Grannies trying to blame black people for everything you don't like

"I’m sorry Whoopi and Viola, but voters probably didn’t even watch your films."

How many people saw To Leslie? 12?

"Woke culture - everybody wants a participation trophy."

You mean like your idol Trump, who thinks he won an election that he actually lost by 7 million votes? or kari Lake who still insists she won?

You Republicans seem to like "participation trophies" a lot

"The woke mob will never be pleased. The only way we're gonna get out of this is if we refuse to acquiesce to these online monsters. She got in based on merit and now they want to rescind her nomination because she's not black."

Her nomination hasn't been rescinded and you're just a low IQ conservative trying to blame black people for everything you don't like. I doubt you even saw To Leslie, I bet 99% of you racist probably don't watch anything but Fox News

"In the few past instances of a nomination being rescinded, a new nominee was not added to the list. The category simply had fewer nominees."

Correct, but try telling that to DL racist rednecks who think this is a plot to get a nomination for a black actress

"The movie made $27,000. Quite literally almost no one saw it, and that most likely includes her friends who put together an extremely aggressive and loud campaign for her."

Yep, no one here saw this movie, they're just looking for any excuse to attack black people

R145 Oh fuck off back to LSA.

Her film seems to have been an absolute bomb. She won no other major nominations. Most cinema-goers wouldn’t recognise her.

But, rather crucially, enough of the Academy electorate saw it and admired her work enough to want to see her recognised as a great actress (which she undoubtedly is). If they had wanted to vote for Whoopi or Viola, they would have. But they didn’t. That’s all that matters, and is all that should matter in this situation.

Why on earth would her nomination be rescinded? It always happens that someone gets snubbed. And Whoopi and Viola are very unlikable.

There's an uproar against Riseborough and her pals' campaign for her, but there won't be a peep when Angela Bassett probably wins this year over the more-worthy performances of Kerry Condon, Hong Chau and Stephanie Hsu.

Make no mistake, I like and respect Bassett, she's a great actress - but winning for a COMIC book movie b/c some feel she's overdue is ridiculous.

[quote]There's an uproar against Riseborough and her pals' campaign for her

Is it because it was out of the studios' control, or because such campaigns threaten the multimillion-dollar "For Your Consideration" ad racket?

[quote]Yep, no one here saw this movie, they're just looking for any excuse to attack black people

I saw it and Andrea Riseborough's performance is brilliant, she deserves the nomination.

The Oscars have most usually been a popularity contest, anyway. If Ms. Riseborough is suddenly popular amongst her peers, good for her.

[quote]Paul Mescal was a surprise nomination, and people were delighted. Why aren’t people mad about that?

Come on now, let's not pretend the two are comparable. No doubt he was campaigning too, but it was at least more subtle than celebrity friends tweeting the exact same stuff. I don't believe she did anything wrong, but it was the most blatant and hilariously inorganic campaigning ever seen, and yes I include that woman who bought ads and sent letters begging for the Oscar. Apparently all masterminded by Mary McCormack, who is married to the director of the film.

[quote]Riseborough should insist that she will not recognize her nomination, nor will she attend the telecast.

She should say she stands with the egregiously overlooked WOC not nominated.

[quote] Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences rules against directly lobbying voters. Academy rules forbid individuals from giving "their personal signature, personal regards, or pleas to watch the film" when sending correspondence to voters.

I don’t understand this. Politicians beg for votes, why shouldn’t actors?

Do they think members will feel pressured if, say, a big star directly solicits their vote, and no one will vote on merit?

Just a little tip, R144 - the plural of “racist” is “racists”. I know that it almost sounds the same especially to someone who neither reads nor writes, but there you have it - from me to you.

Is Gwyneth gonna mix it up with Jada? Cause I’d love to see that. If you all bring snacks, I’ll get the cocktails.

Just a little tip, r156.

If r144 can't read, then you shouldn't be writing a post to them.

I know that sounds confounding to you, but you should be used to being confounded.

There you have it - from me to you.

[quote] Make no mistake, I like and respect Bassett, she's a great actress - but winning for a COMIC book movie b/c some feel she's overdue is ridiculous.

Angela Bassett IS overdue for the award. The Academy has historically rewarded actors for their body of work. There is a difference between recognizing an exceptional actress for 3 decades of solid work, and an unknown actress sneaking in because friends from her yoga class violated the Academy's lobbying prohibition.

Touché R158

R159, you're presuming Angela Bassett has had a career over the past 30 years worthy of such an award. She has not. She's been relegated to television mostly since the early 2000s. And not good television. We all know why Bassett is the frontrunner this year, and it's not because she deserves it.

She may be overdue r159, but to finally win for a comic book superhero film is downright embarrassing. She's an actress of worth, surely there are other performances to finally reward her for.

Good grief this is not a political election. The Kari Lake malcontents need to stop.

The majority of Americans don’t care about about any of these award shows. The only ones who act like it’s winning the Nobel Peace Prize are gay men and black supremacists.

Bassett was amazing in "Malcolm X".

And Holy Crap, in a couple scenes, Spike Lee films her face in close-up, and, man, is she ever a beauty.

I actually gasped at how beautiful Bassett's face was lit and framed.

It reminded me of seeing Julie Christie's face in close-up in "Heaven Can Wait"; just breathtaking.

It's good that the Academy is recognizing good performances in sci-fi/fantasy genre films -- like Michelle Yeoh and Angela Bassett this year. Bassett was the heart of 'Wakanda Forever' and she is deserving of the nomination and the win.

I want that scrappy little upstart Riseborough to win!

Fuck the big studio push!

I agree about Angela Bassett not getting it this year. She's a phenomenal actress and should've won an Oscar long ago, but giving her an Oscar for a comic book movie would just be embarrassing for an actress of her talent.

And I'm not a snob about comic book movies, I've liked a lot of them and they're very entertaining but I don't think they're Oscar-worthy. Just my opinion.

Make of it what you will but this year 16 of the 20 acting nominees are first timers. Cate Blanchett, Michelle Williams, Angela Bassett and Judd Hirsch being the exceptions. Maybe Academy voters are beginning to think outside of the box voting looking beyond the well-known, expected or predictable.

All this over some stupid award show nomination most people don't give a shit about?

[quote] Did you have to look that up [R17]? Would anyone be able to throw that out if that if you asked them?

You obviously must be a newbie here: Miyoshi Umeki is (deservedly) a legend on Datalounge.

The Academy is saying: “we fixed things so that a black actress would always be nominated, and we don’t know how this white bitch got through.”

I stand with Christina.

[quote]Why couldn't the Academy have kept its collective mouths SHUT until after the ceremony - if they felt the need to say anything at all?

I don't begrudge them wanting to investigate the situation because it was a very short, last-minute campaign, and a couple of people involved may have broken a rule or two, but I absolutely agree that they should NOT have said anything before the awards. It's only going to hurt Riseborough and it doesn't seem like she did anything wrong at all, it was others who may have stepped over a few lines, probably unintentionally.

Agree R174 and after this will Riseborough even want to attend the ceremony itself? Will she feel as comfortable as Will Smith did after he slapped Chris Rock? Smith was allowed to remain, received his Oscar as well as a standing ovation?

[quote] We are in scary times. The woke mob will never be pleased.

In the past people were lynched and hosed down in the streets. THOSE were scary times. "The woke mob" is not going to drag you out of your house, cut off your penis, and hang you in the middle of the town square while a crowd which includes children chant racial slurs. Stop with the hysterics mary R28

I’d give her the Oscar over Cate or Michelle but I don’t think that’s going to happen.

[quote]She's a phenomenal actress and should've won an Oscar long ago, but giving her an Oscar for a comic book movie would just be embarrassing for an actress of her talent.

If she's not embarrassed by appearing on 9-1-1, she's certainly not going to be embarrassed by winning an Oscar for Wakanda Forever.

As an aside, I hadn’t heard of this movie until David Muir posted about it on Instagram 😂

I guess David somehow got on board with the plot of those white actresses.

Would be something if she wins.

While they’re conducting that review . . .

Frances Fisher’s tweet points out a truth about the process

Since Viola Davis and Deadwyler (awful name) were considered locks, people privately felt they weren’t obliged to vote for them

The Oscars are a popularity contest, and people felt more comfortable voting for respected vet Michelle Williams or studio-favorite ingenue Ana de Armas than the two black actresses. It’s entirely possible that a sixth nomination space may have gone to an old vet like Emma Thompson. These two particular actresses just didn’t work the system well enough. No one knows who Danielle Deadwyler is and people are probably kind of sick of Viola Davis.

Similarly, if Angela Bassett wins supporting it will be due to many people having known her and liked her throughout the year rather than her performance in a Marvel movie.

Just to echo what's been said. I watched "Knives Out" for the first time last week and was amazed that inert, dull performance by Ana De Armas was so lauded in what was a very disappointing movie overall, given it's hype.

I have only seen clips of her as Marilyn but found her very unconvincing. Why aren't the Academy investigating all the lobbying that got a shoddy performance nominated, over a grassroots campaign to ensure a brilliant performance was not overlooked?!

More respect to the likes of Fonda, Aniston, Cox, Ricci, Winslet, Paltrow etc who've spoken out for Riseborough

[quote]More respect to the likes of Fonda, Aniston, Cox, Ricci, Winslet, Paltrow etc who've spoken out for Riseborough

Jennifer Aniston is right about everything, as usual.

Speaking of biases

Danielle Deadwyler has the worst fucking last name ever, the Oscars are a marketing event, people want to vote for marketable people. Danielle Deadwyler will never be marketable. If her name had been Danielle Wyler or Danielle Desmond or something, she probably would have been nominated.

R184, I agree.

Saw the film after the nominations and she totally deserved to be in the lead actress group. Bravo to the actors branch for not going with default nominees like Viola Davis and Olivia Colman. The whole thing is fucking ridiculous. Unless she bribed voters with money or sexual favors, everyone should stfu. An online, email, word of mouth and phone call campaign? Not any worse than studio sponsored screenings and luncheons that have been going on for decades, not to mention certain tactics that would even make the Hollywood Foreign Press blush. Her IMDb is fairly robust. Obviously she won’t win, but her name recognition now will lead to even more work for this incredible actress.

Wasn’t there an uproar when Linda Fiorentino was not Oscar nominated in 1994 for “The Last Seduction” because the movie had aired on HBO?

Yes but people got over that because Linda Florentino turned out to be a huge cunt

Speaking of huge cunts . . .

Is there a chance this controversy plus the fact many more voters may now watch Roseborough's movie adds to her potential to win?

Should Riseborough actually win the Oscar, will Viola Davis and Deadwyler rush the stage with other African AMerican actresses, and each take a turn slapping her across the face (ala Will Smith style) and yell out 'Keep away from my fuckin' nomination next time!' ? Will and Jada will be proud to see this in front of them.

[quote]She didn't campaign with billboards but used "aggressive" tactics, like getting A-list endorsements, include Cate Blanchette, another nominee?

The movie is a tiny independent. Riseborough didn't campaign, Actress Mary McCormack, the director's wife did just as if a studio had. She played by the rules and won.

R190 No. She’s up against huge competition. Even if she gets a big voter push the next six weeks leading up the Oscars , it’s not going to be enough to challenge Blanchett and Yeoh.

Sometimes surprise nominations occur. They just do. Let it go and move on.

NO!

I've just watched To Leslie and it was very good. The scene at the end when she reconciles with her son in her diner made me cry.

I thought I thought Andrea Risedale was excellent. Definitely worthy of an Oscar nomination.

Aren't shocking wins and nominations part of what make award shows fun? It gets mighty boring when the people who are "supposed to" win always do.

#OscarsSoChintzy

Slightly OT: I can't believe how awful the ratings have been for the Oscars the past several years. It's like most people don't give a shit anymore.

This has nothing to do with race.

[quote]The movie is a tiny independent. Riseborough didn't campaign, Actress Mary McCormack, the director's wife did just as if a studio had. She played by the rules and won.

Was Howard Stern involved in promoting this somehow? He’s a close friend of Mary McCormack since she starred in his movie Private Parts in the ‘90s. He has a huge audience and a lot of industry connections.

R191. Will won't be attending the ceremony for the next several years. Jada is a cunt so she might show up just to piss people off.

[quote] This has nothing to do with race.

This has everything to do with race. If two white actresses had been unexpectedly snubbed by the voters, neither the media nor the Academy would give the tiniest shit about it.

Undignified to see people desperate for more accolades and awards.

[Quote] Will won't be attending the ceremony for the next several years. Jada is a cunt so she might show up just to piss people off.

Jada's not a nominee and not invited. The only way she'll be able to attend is as a guest of a nominee.

R205. She'll find a way. Are they hiring seat fillers?

R203 unfortunately true. Short of turning the Academy into some affirmative action organization (one could argue it already is), this shit will just keep coming up going forward when there are not enough black nominees. No one is praising all the multiple Asian acting nominees that I believe is a first with the most being nominated in one year, it’s all about not enough black, forgetting Asians are people of color too.

[quote]No one is praising all the multiple Asian acting nominees that I believe is a first with the most being nominated in one year, it’s all about not enough black, forgetting Asians are people of color too.

Asians don’t have the same victimhood and entitlement mentalities that blacks do.

Her best bet is to slap a wig on and go incognito.

We're living in a black supremacist country. Black privilege is real.

Under Jada’s rules, each year someone must be slapped.

Don't people use shady tactics to get nominations all the time anyway? This thing is all politics.

If Deadwyler had gotten in and Williams had been left out because of Riesborough for example, this investigation would not be happening.

Didn't she star in that Madonna stinker WE? Or W?

They shouldn't. They're not going to pull the nomination, so it just looks stupid. If there was some sort of illicit campaign for Riseborough or favors/money traded, who cares. Like I said, they're not going to pull the nomination because it's unprecedented and would look even worse. I would laugh if after review they said, "this gave us an opportunity to review ALL the nominations" and then pulled de Armas' nom. And on top of that didn't nominate anyone else like Deadwyler.

#OscarsSoOver

Pull De Armas. Marilyn didn't have a Cuban accent.

Williams campaigned for lead instead of supporting, which is ridiculous, given Blanchett and Yeoh are WAY ahead of her. If the voters would’ve put Williams in supporting, she would have a reasonable chance at taking down Bassett. It’s all about winning it Michelle, so you better rethink your future strategy.

Voters really didn’t warm to Davis and Deadwyler, while nominating De Armas for the excrement that is Blonde. THIS was the slot that was most vulnerable, not Andreas great work for To Leslie. Speaks volumes about Davis and her entitlement, and everyone just assuming Deadwyler would get in. Never assume anything because it makes an ass out of you.

The Academy just needs to hold a slot in each actress category for a black woman and be done with it. Everyone else can fight for the other 4 slots.

Has it been confirmed this is about Black women?

Viola is always complaining that she should have the same career as Meryl. Well, Meryl’s not nominated this year and neither are you Viola. And Meryl’s not going to win another Oscar in her lifetime and neither will you Viola. Looks like you got your wish.

All of the controversy would go away the moment Yeoh takes the podium - all attention will be taken over by the historicalness of it and everyone will be busy cheering and crying and patting themselves on the back for solving racism. The question is whether AMPAS is smart enough to realize it.

R220, Deadwyler and Davis made precursors and Deadwyler was considered basically a lock and had a lot of press behind her. It can safely be assumed she was 6th. Also, Twitter commentary immediately made it about race, so don't put this on anyone else but Black Twitter.

There's no way Blanchett wins this award without a storm of shit to follow. Not least because she somehow put herself in the middle of this Riseborough mess.

I'll work on a statement in study hall and then we can meet in the library during sixth period to coordinate our strategy.

For Black women, the sisterhood remains firmly within their own race. But Ms Whitey Liberal will do everything she can to insist on the merits of her Black sistah.

Yeah, I think Riesborough syphons off Cate voters and Yeoh wins.

[quote]In the past people were lynched and hosed down in the streets.

I would fucking love to see people hosed down on the red carpet!

They’re not giving Blanchett a third. Not going to happen.

Aniston, Cox, Ricci, and Paltrow would vouch for a fellow anorexic white chick like Riseborough, naturally. Having said that, nothing Riseborough did was wrong or shady.

People acting like an acting award is something serious are nuts. No one outside Hollywood and a few select gays give a shit about the Oscars anymore.

I bet black actresses in Viola Davis’ age cohort can’t stand her. Angela Bassett would probably say nice things, but Angela is the type who will seek out and take any job (9-1-1, hello), so she probably doesn’t feel like she is losing anything to Viola. I don’t know, Viola just seems like she wants EVERY ROLE and every accolade to herself. And not only does she not care if that impacts other working black actresses, she would probably celebrate the fact that it does as some sort of ego exercise.

"a few select gays give a shit about the Oscars anymore"

And the last film they saw in the cinema was 'Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?'

r230 Jennifer Aniston is a member of the Academy? Seriously?

Aniston was invited to join in 2007.

Not many people really care, but a shit ton of people performatively or clout-chasing care. From people MAGAs complaining it's too woke, even though they don't watch, to Black twitter, to DLers who insist "none of it matters" but then collectively lose their shit during awards season.

You can talk shit about Jennifer Aniston, but the fact is EVERYBODY loves her.

[quote]Her best bet is to slap a wig on and go incognito.

Better yet, her best bet is to slap a wig on and go as Michelle Yeoh.

R233 uh no. Where did I say she was? I was referring to all the public support for this skinny drab lady by fellow skinny drab (white) ladies.

Jen has the best weed.

R236, Not everybody.

Brad ^^^

I loved Aniston on Friends as much as everyone else but she really can only play one role. Even her performance on the uber-serious The Morning Show looks/sounds like another variation of Rachel.

[quote] Slightly OT: I can't believe how awful the ratings have been for the Oscars the past several years. It's like most people don't give a shit anymore.

They don’t. Welcome to the real world.

I and many others on DL didn't like Jennifer on Friends or the show in general.

This influx of British frauen to DL is strange and unwanted. Your pedestrian tastes are noted.

I disagree about Jennifer Aniston only having one character. She was fantastic in The Good Girl and We're The Miller's.

Her friends lobbied for her—and it worked. Good for them…and her! It’s not like they rigged voting.

I hope there’s more of this—stars using their power to elevate underfunded art.

"stars using their power to elevate underfunded art."

Yes, it's all so noble!

r246 How exactly did it elevate underfunded art? You'll note these people weren't encouraging anyone else to watch the movie, just their friends so one of their own could be nominated and the husband of the woman behind it gets a career boost.

R203, R207=Insecure race baiters paranoid about the changing demographics. If the world doesn't revolve around white people then the world must stop.

^Same to R208 go fuck yourself race baiter. You guys may want to jump off a bridge now because in a couple of short decades whites will be the minority in this country.

Andrea on Kimmel, wearing a hoodie, OMG she's so relatable!

And the Golden Girls gets a random mention at the beginning.

Blacks hate when Asians gain ground and do well.

Because Asians don't have the same persecution complex. They just get on with it.

[quote]I hope there’s more of this—stars using their power to elevate underfunded art.

The problem is that blacks will complain they don’t have the same “power” as everyone else. Always the victims.

R254 There's no worse victim than a small minded asshole such as yourself who can't think outside the box. Stop generalizing all " blacks". Whites don't realize this while complaining about everything "woke". Go fuck yourself.

I forgot she was a Geordie! R251

Thanks for the reminder

If she does win the Oscar, Madge will re-release that turkey W.E with the tagline "featuring Academy Award Winner Andrea Riseborough".

[quote]Stop generalizing all " blacks". Whites don't realize this while complaining about everything "woke".

But it's okay to generalise "whites" eh?

Only if they started it first asshole R258

259 posts and Pia Zadora hasn’t been mentioned? Shame on you DL.

From the article:

"You wouldn’t have seen any for “To Leslie,” the Momentum Pictures drama that garnered Roseborough (sic) a nomination over the likes of Viola Davis (“The Woman King”) and Danielle Deadwyler (“Till”)."

This does reek of Jada, Ava and Jacqueline Stewart. Oscar too White!

How was her performance in W.E.?

^^^^ No one saw it, so she could have been Streep or Blanchett level acting for all the difference it would have made.

R20 - Excellent post...of course, this will not change those whose agenda is to blame this on Jada, Viola, Anna and others. Personally, I don't think Viola Davis deserved a nomination, but Danielle Deadwyler gave a magnificent performance in TILL and many critics predicted that she would make the cut. A week-long campaign for Andrea Risborough appeared just a few weeks before the nominations were announced by some very popular actors who campaigned on her behalf. Very suspect.

[quote] The movie made $27,000. Quite literally almost no one saw it, and that most likely includes her friends who put together an extremely aggressive and loud campaign for her.

Every Academy member may have seen it for free on their screeners. It doesn't matter that a movie wasn't a box office success for all voting members to have seen it.

I trust Jennifer Aniston. And she says this performance and nomination is legit. THE END.

The basic gist here is Riseborough has more friends (powerful or otherwise) than Deadwyler and Davis.

R264 But Till is shit.

R268, Which makes it Oscar worthy.

[Quote]Riseborough has more friends (powerful or otherwise) than Deadwyler

Danielle, please change the spelling to Detwyler.

[quote]A week-long campaign for Andrea Risborough appeared just a few weeks before the nominations were announced by some very popular actors who campaigned on her behalf. Very suspect.

So what exactly do you think happened? That Jennifer Aniston intercepted ballots in the mail and replaced ones that had votes for Deadwyler?

I love that this thread about some unknown Oscar nominee turned into a discussion about Jennifer Aniston. Girl has INCREDIBLE PR.

Has Baldy issued a statement?

I just watched the movie 'TO LESLIE' because of this brouhaha since the nominations (until then I never even heard of this movie). In all honesty, after seeing this film, I'd be shocked if she was not nominated for her role. Furthermore, I'll be shocked if she does not win the Oscar for this performance.

Riseborough gave one of the most outstanding performances by an actress I haven't seen in a long time. She has completely submerged herself into the character 'Leslie', she' not an actress playing her. Her performance is nothing less than incredible - one you will remember for some time to come.

Good for her that she scored this nomination the old-fashioned way by word of mouth (today's technology / version of it :social media). Good for her that she didn't depend on over-priced luncheons, million dollar billboards and press junkets trying to woo voters.

Let's face it - if she was the same person, in the same film, with the same box office, giving the same performance, and campaigning the same way in BLACK skin, there'd be no question about her nomination.

[quote]Has Baldy issued a statement?

“Dis white bitch bout to get slapped upside her face”

Who dat ho?

Agree 100% r274.

I can't wait for Whoopi to ignore this controversy on 'The View'. Should it be mentioned by accident, she will say she can't talk about it because she sits on the governor's board.

I plan to watch this movie.

Another movie about an alcoholic/drug addict and their inner and outer torment? I say the same about superhero movies....

PASS.

Didn’t Jessica Lange (finally) win an Oscar for a movie nobody saw?

R281 Blue Skies.

[quote]“Seems hilarious that the ‘surprise nomination’ (meaning tons of money wasn’t spent to position this actress) of a legitimately brilliant performance is being met with an investigation,” Ricci wrote. “So it’s only the films and actors that can afford the campaigns that deserve recognition? Feels elitist and exclusive and frankly very backward to me.”

Christina Ricci has it absolutely right.

The angry white queens in here claiming " they don't care" but throwing every outdated 20th century Black stereotypes around are nothing short of hilarious(not to mention sad and pathetic. This bitch won't win anyway but there needs to be studies on the paranoia and downright desperate mind of white people when other races get recognized. The truth is nobody cares about race more than white people, history has proven it but they swear on the cross that they are the ones suffering when they bring it on themselves.

Cate Blanchett was the most vocal in her lobbying.

[quote]The truth is nobody cares about race more than white people, history has proven it but they swear on the cross that they are the ones suffering when they bring it on themselves.

So how is it that this white woman got nominated and nobody even cared, UNTIL some entitled black women started complaining and now suddenly there’s an “investigation”???

We can all see who’s “suffering” with their victim mentality.

What entitled black woman started complaining? R286

I think Cate has blown her chances to win. And you have to be beloved to win three. Cate is respected but definitely not beloved. Too cerebral and aloof.

Yes Blue Sky was one of the weirdest wins ever

Arguably a weak year for lead women

He doesn't have an answer R287 because R286 is paranoid racist queen who needs to make this Black peoples fault when the academy is still a mostly white affair. The victim mentality is only coming from them. White fragility at its finest.(and most pathetic)

If William Inge was watered down Tennessee Williams, Blue Sky was watered down William Inge.

Also as far as “this nomination would have never happened for a film no one saw without underhanded campaigning” look at 1995 and Il Postino

Long story short: these campaigns have always existed and will never go away

R290 Fuck off, Jada.

Seriously, can R286 tell me what black woman complained? I don't see that anywhere in any article .

Sarandon was the favorite to win so Lange taking the award for Blue Sky was an upset. I would have given it to Winona for Little Women. There has never been a more perfect Jo March.

R288 one can say the same thing about McDormand. Aloof and thinks the Oscars and all award shows are bullshit. Blanchett and Yeoh are in a tight race, but I wouldn’t count Blanchett it out yet. Yeoh is not respected the same way Blanchett is and EEAAO is really hard to get through. Plus parts of it are stupid beyond belief which will turn off a lot of members. If Blanchett wins it’ll be based on her performance and how she is seen in the industry. If Yeoh wins, it’ll be more the first Asian winning lead actress and a career award.

I just watched this film. It's a TOUGH film to watch. Its actually very good and Riseborough is STUPENDOUS. It's a pretty brutal and taxing role, and she is in every frame. Its pretty amazing. And she's every bit as good as Blanchett, who I also loved)

So fuck all this shit.

I do wish Deadwyler (sp?) would have been nominated over that horrific Marilyn Monroe chick.

Only a load of fags would care about which actress gets a nom and a win.

Any discussion on the male leads?

Oscar drama is made for the gays

R295 Sarandon was never the favorite. It was always between Jodie Foster and Lange. Lange won the globe and LA lead actress film critics award and Jodie won the first SAG.

The only investigation should be into how and why they are having an investigation. There is literally nothing to suggest anything untoward or illicit has happened.

Most posters on the DL have no clue about how the Academy works but they all have an opinion that "must" be voiced even if they haven't seen the movie or know who Andrea Riseborough is. Shut the fuck up, go suck some dick which is something you at least know something about, then go see the movie, and then opine.

Interestingly Tom & Viv got two acting nominations despite poor reviews

Miramax was really something else

R302 plus Miranda was on a roll during this time frame which helped. Sally Field was actually glad she was passed over for Forrest Gump in favor of Rosemary Harris in Tom and Viv, basically saying her role wasn’t that big of deal, compared to actresses like Harris, who sometimes get shut out of the Oscars in favor of better known women.

R293 is that the best you got ghetto white queen? You are so pathetic 🤣🤣🤣

All the Supporting Actress 94 noms except Helen Mirren were Miramax

Amazing

1994 was a HORRIBLE year for actresses. That being said, there were much better performances that got left out in favor of rancid bullshit like Sarandon, Lange and Foster. Fiorentino should have won, but was deemed ineligible. However Jennifer Jason Leigh should have been in there for Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle and (though it would never happen) Kathleen Turner should have been in there for Serial Mom.

Serial Mom is not an acting picture, darling.

Oscar is a serial sourpuss.

Gone are the days of Jennifer Lawrence swallowing Weinstein loads for a win.

Now it's all 'sisters are doin' it for themselves'.....

In 1994 Kathy Bates should've won for Dolores Claiborne but she wasn't even nominated.

Young Woke black Hollywood ? I don't remember Angela Basset throwing a fit when she was passed over numerous times for deserving noms.

How many black best actress winners has there been in the history of the academy? Anyone ?

R283 Cristina Ricci and her white actress friends who campaigned for and supported Ms Riseborough are spinning this now like they're the outsiders ?

I believe there has been ONE, Fucking ONE Black best actress winner in the NINETY FIVE YEAR history of the Academy

[quote]How many black best actress winners has there been in the history of the academy? Anyone ?

Halle Berry

r287/r294 Not who you were asking, but here you go

Since Cate Blanchett was the most vocal campaigning for this woman, hopefully Andrea wins BA

r317- She deserves it. It is actually a great film and Jesus I bawled at the end. Andrea really IS that good in it.

R316 Is that all? From the bitter posts on this thread I thought ALL of Black Hollywood was complaining. How laughable to think this one or a few Black actresses can force the academy to do any investigation. Nothing more than an excuse to sprew your toxic insecure racial bullshit. And complain about the imaginary scary "woke mob"🤣🤣🤣

[quote] In 1994 Kathy Bates should've won for Dolores Claiborne but she wasn't even nominated.

Probably because it came out in 1995.

Cate Blanchett has put her 3rd Oscar chances in jeopardy

Oh how funny this would be if Ana de Armpits won

R317, Cate was not the most vocal on this. Not even close.

Cate will win for her performance. Andrea will be a footnote for this year.

"I just need 11,000 votes.....that's all.....can you help me out? It won't go well for you if you don't. Come on just 11,000...."

R226 who do you speak of?

'Entitled Black women..'

Names, please.

R326, they mean any black woman who dares have an opinion

Just learnt Frances McDormand has won 3 best actress Academy Awards, why isn't she celebrated more? I only hear about M and Blanchett , why no love for Francis?

Has anyone in this fucking thread SEEN THE FUCKING FILM??? (To Leslie)

She is amazing in it- Should probably win the fucking thing.

R328 Frans been shown a lot of love. Four Oscars (one producing), two Emmys and one Tony. Plus she’s up for another Oscar this year for co producing Women Talking. I think she’s had sufficient.

Sufficient will only come when I have at least one Grammy.

The one who should be questioned is that dogshit performance by Ana de Armas. She played Marilyn with a Cuban accent. What a joke.

R332 sums it up perfectly.

Andrea's performance is actually the best in the entire category.

Cate comes close, but Andrea's is pure as fuck- as a very brave one.

I am feeling really bad for Andrea (and in a weird way- her character)

Its just a beautiful film and performance and I now see why the actors supported her so much-

I watched Till, Tar and To Leslie, l- all three women were great. I watched Marilyn and That Yeoh movie, I fell asleep,zzzz, Michelle I didn't even bother, meh ZZZ x2. Also watched woman King, didn't finish, it was a pile of shit

R334- Pretty much the same.

I truly enjoyed the films Tar and To Leslie- and adored the performances.

Not feeling anything else but Aftersun- which I truly truly LOVED.

To Leslie

Tar

Aftersun..

Those are my faves.

Looking forward to Empire of Light and Triangle of Sadness though...

Sorry r320 you're right lol! Then Kathy Bates should've won for Dolores Claiborne in 1995.

What r329 said. See this fucking film! Riseborough is amazing, you'll agree that she should win Best Actress. It's on Youtube, Apple, Google and Vudu.

I haven't been this devastated by a performance in quite awhile. Alison Janney is also in it and she's great, as she always is.

i really hope everyone in this thread sees To Leslie- I am curious what you will all say/think.

R337- THANK YOU BUDDY..

DAMN, ITS A SHAME TO SEE HOW BAD THIS IS GOING DOWN FOR A FILM AND PERFORMANCE THAT IS BETTER THAN 85% OF THE NOMINEES.

I saw it 2 hours ago and bawled 3 times during the damn thing.

Riseborough was a revelation to me- it was insane.

And that slow plan close up in the bar? Its a stunner.

No joke, I would have given Maron a Supporting Actor Nod- And I HATE him. He was that lovely.

R337- At the end when the arrivals happened (Ice Cream) I had to walk away and cry.

I was moved like a little girl and was actually floored by what this film made me feel.

Damn you bitches are really convincing me to rent To Leslie!!

I have kind of a weird question about To Leslie - is smoking really still allowed in bars in Texas, or was the smoking just for dramatic effect? I was a bit surprised by that, smoking in bars in this day and age.

r339 I cried too. I saw To Leslie a couple days ago and I'm still thinking about it. Like I said above, I was totally devastated by Andrea Riesborough's performance. It was so raw and real. And if you've ever known an alcoholic, scarily accurate.

R340- Please see it. Once you do, you will understand.

Stick with it- You have to give it an hour (its NOT easy) but its worth it.

I am actually sad that Maron did not get an nomination as well- and as I said above- I cannot stand him..

Honestly, I can not even hate him now.

R342, my dad died when I was very young from alcoholism, and I think that was a big part of it. The last 10 minutes was just - amazing, And maybe that was the most "sell out" part, but it really worked. And Leslie deserved it.

The gentleman who played the son was WONDERFUL as well..

I am a little floored by how much this film devastated me and also made me have some hope.

You bitches have convinced me to watch To Leslie. I am settling in to watch it right now....

R344- I did not even know about this film until the last 72 hours. I truly see why these actors pulled for this chick.

This racism shit is bullshit in this case. But FUCK year, Deadwyler was robbed- BY ANNA D!!!!!!!! Not by Andrea.

Racism 100% exists in a myriad ways, and definitely in Hollywood- but Andrea's film is why Oscars exist.

I now wish the film and Maron would have been nominated.

Watch it R344- Even if you hate it, its a must see, and I predict in 50 years, will be a classic.

R345, Andrea is that you gurl?

Oh Alison Janey is in this film, love her.

Is Alison Janey American Indian?

R346- No. But For the first time in my life I Instant Messaged a celebrity-And it was Andrea, on her Instagram.

Just wanted to send some love. She must feel horrible, and its really fucked up.

See. The . fIlm.

Jesus, if I knew blacks were going to complain so much, I would have picked my own fucking cotton.

T349- Mary!!

R1 do you know something we don't? Reading through this thread really demonstrates how many Klan grannies are posting here on DL

You all are disgusting

R349 your love for this movie is persuasive. I’ll watch it because of your enthusiasm.

What R354 said

TO LESLIE for Andrea

R354- It may be from having a parent die so young from alcoholism.. I don't know, But his film had me in tears many times..

Andrea deserved this nomination, and her performance actually should win- by far. It was a masterpiece in many ways- and her performance was a pure inhabitance of a soul. That's my last Mary moment tonight. I don't know how some British actress can FEEL this into existence, but she did. Its really that good.

Cate was actually right!

OMG! Jennifer Jason Leigh was truly dreadful in Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle!

To sum this up.

To Leslie will be considered a masterwork in 50 years.

Cate will win, and in 1/2 a decade people will be saying that Andrea actually deserved it. A film utterly lost in some fight that it had nothing to do with...and actually signified the very fight that people are saying it fought against?

These elitist and overpaid actresses were RIGHT for once. This film and performance were truly worthy of consideration...

Such a fucked up world we live in.

De'Armas should be the one being fucked with, not Andrea.

Just watched the To Leslie and this Andrea chick is great in the movie. Why are they investigating her though? What did she do?

R360- I think it was Frances Fisher or some shit. Still fingering herself to Clint Eastwood, and went and broke some rule.

R359, R357. Sounds like the movie got you hyped gurl

R362- I feel like Frances Fisher-

See it. Please (Its that good)

These spoiled actresses were right for once.

I read somewhere that the Academy may rescind Andrea's 0scar nom. Smh.

By the way- if it were up to me the nominees would be

Danielle Deadwyler- Till

Cate Blanchett- Tar

Andrea Riseborough- To Leslie

Mia Goth- Pearl

Michelle Williams- The Fablemans

And I have told you fuckers to see To Leslie, and I bawled my eyes out- and I would still be torn between Mia and Andrea... I would literally die if in my dream world, they tied... Such brave, absolutely for the ages performances that will be talked about in 50 years.... The others, even Cate- nope.

To those of you unfamiliar with Riseborough and just falling in love with her 'To Leslie' performance I recommend her films 'Here Before' and 'Nancy' as well - they both work on the same character-based register as this movie, and she's excellent in both.

I'd also recommend 'Possessor' and 'Please Baby Please' too but they're much weirder movies - she's not afraid to do challenging and bizarre work, to really take risks. Her episode of 'Black Mirror' is also the best one, if you ask me, and deeply disturbing.

She's also incredibly funny in 'The Death of Stalin' and really warm and lovely as Billie Jean King's hairdresser girlfriend in that 'Battle of the Sexes' movie.

I have never walked away from anything she's been in and not been wowed by her, honestly. One of the greats working today.

I suspect the Till crew is behind this ' investigation. If that is the case very shitty OTH there has been ony one black best actress Oscar winner which is even more shitty

[quote]The truth is nobody cares about race more than white people,

Let me introduce you to half black / half Lathina VIEW host Sunny Hostin...

T365 Cate outperformed Andrea by a mile, and she deserves the Oscar.

I love both Cate and Andrea's performances but I think they utilize opposing aspects of performance and I can understand them appealing to different people who appreciate each end of the spectrum - Cate is giving a big movie star performance, way larger than life. Not that the character doesn't ring true, but it's not the same as what Riseborough's doing at all, which is very minute, intimate.

Picking cotton was in the past R350. In the glorious future you will be extinct

I'm rooting for Ana. I hope she wins. She was marvelous as Marilyn.

I'm rooting for Ana. I hope she wins. She was marvelous as Marilyn.

r371 US birth rates are declining for every group. It's expensive as hell to have kids these days.

Much ado about nothing

R374 Not for everyone. The Black/Latino/Asian population is increasing in the US and worldwide. Guess who isnt....

r376 birthrates in the US are declining for every group. It's too much of a hassle and too expensive to have a litter of kids these days.

And believe me, you would not want to live in a non-white majority country.

R377 actually I would. Especially after reading this thread. How arrogant to assume others need whites around to be civilized and thriving. That's that delusional supremacist thinking.

r378 just look at the world. You don't want to live in a non-white majority country.

R379 I said what the fuck I said loser. You arent even the original people. The world was spinning before you and it definitely will after you. White aint always right. And stop saying "trust me" because I don't trust the devil.

R380 Sweet baby jesus. These LSA refugees are fucked up.

R381 not fucked uo. Waking up. All you gotta do is look at history. From Adolf Hitler to the ku klux klan, to apartheid no other race has murdered and destroyed other cultures like the people without melanin in their skin. Thats just the facts. That's a world I dont want to live in.

Okay this is getting way off topic. Block the troll r382 and his other posts disappear.

R383 BYE BITCH! no need to announce it just do it. Fuck off cunt.

Ten bucks says both the "whites are all evil" AND the "only whites should be in control" trolls are both the exact same person.

10 bucks says you're delusional R385. You can call me a troll all you want but you can't resist responding to me haha its pathological for you.

[quote]And believe me, you would not want to live in a non-white majority country.

[quote]You don't want to live in a non-white majority country.

From the same guy who said this in the Arnold Schwarzenegger thread:

[quote]Well when r85 says he doesn't like black people it should be commented on.

Being racist in some threads and then yelling at racists in others is very normal! Completely common! Totally not a troll!

Apologies to the r85 in this thread, the r85 mentioned in r387 is the one in the Arnold thread, not this one. Sorry if you get a notification. Thankfully the notification system on here doesn't work half the time, so maybe you didn't!

A non-white majority country doesn't mean a black majority r387

r387 you posted this in another thread:

[quote]I don't like black Americans. I respect the fact that they created the only decent and original American music genres (jazz, rock, hip hop, r&b) but I find many aspects of their culture irritating, dangerous, and deplorable.

You're really not one to talk!

[quote]A non-white majority country doesn't mean a black majority r387

I didn't say it did, little buddy.

[quote]r387 you posted this in another thread

I absolutely did not, and anyone who can do the ignore trick will be able to see that for themselves. You really ARE a troll, aren't you? You pay to post this shit? Good lord.

The person who wrote the racist comment about not liking black Americans was in the "Simple Truths" thread, which I'll link, They're r287 et al. in this thread, not me.

Jesus fucking Christ you need to get a life and get laid. Seriously. You have issues.

[quote]Jesus fucking Christ you need to get a life and get laid. Seriously. You have issues.

You pay to post on DL that you hate all blacks because they're all disgusting. You don't get to tell others that they have issues.

Besides, it was the dipshit at r390 who got you at R287 confused with me at R387 and quoted your racist diatribe from another thread. Go yell at him for bringing you into this.

R395 what are you blabbering about? I said no such thing, but you're so desperate to point fingers you can't actually read and have to make up things. It's sad, but the unfuckable like yourself are pretty sad. You have my pity, unfuckable one.

R395 You seem to have strayed from the point.....about to watch To Leslie.

R349 is what's wrong with society. Sorry....but "For the first time in my life I Instant Messaged a celebrity-And it was Andrea, on her Instagram. Just wanted to send some love"

Yes, poor Andrea. You know she's just an actress right and not really an alcoholic? Poor Andrea might be deprived of an award. How far more tolerable we are of celebrities and their first world problems than say...ummmm....actual alcoholics or people REALLY suffering.

Jesus H Christ.

I feel bad for her being the target of this "investigation." How humiliating.

I hope they find something because there’s something just not right about this nomination. You know Viola Davis or Danielle Deadwyler should’ve been in this spot.

R400 I don't think Viola would be up for sharing one spot.

As posted above they should focus on how De Armas from her Razzie-dominating movie made it to a nomination at so many award shows.

[quote]The Black/Latino/Asian population is increasing in the US and worldwide. Guess who isnt....

Blacks may have a high birth rate, but they also have the shortest life expectancy. The majority of them die from homicide or go to prison before age 30. A high birth rate doesn't mean a majority non-white country the way you think it does.

You're an idiot R402 you don't know any Black stick to your klan rallies white man. That's what you know.

lol how suddenly you’re ALL experts on this film that made $27,000 dollars. The fact is, NONE of you have watched it. Spare me your ridiculous finger wagging. She should not have been nominated.

I watched it. I loved it.

Gotta love the divisiveness......

"Over the past week and a half an internationally acclaimed play called seven methods of killing kylie jenner has been showing in Melbourne. If you go searching for The Age’s review, however, you won’t find one.

It’s not because we didn’t want to cover it – it’s because the producers refused to “accommodate” any reviewers who weren’t people of colour (PoC). "

The movie was good and Andrea definitely deserved the nomination. Ana should have been left out. Also what R398 said.

Kylie you in danger gurl!

[quote]it’s because the producers refused to “accommodate” any reviewers who weren’t people of colour (PoC). "

Why can’t the reviewers just say they identify as POC? If it’s true for gender, then it’s true for race.

We're a failed species.

The mega-asteroid that collides with Earth and wipes us out or the super-virus, either of those, or both!, can't come soon enough.

We live in a joyless society. The fun has been sucked out of everything. It's sad.

R33 Old? She's 41. Are you a teenager? And what does number of people that have seen the movie or the amount of money it had made, has to do with anything? A good performance is a good performance. This just proves that Oscars are made for mainstream big studio movies with huge Hollywood stars and have nothing to do with awarding good performances or good films made that year (P.S. I haven't seen her movie so I don't know if she was any good in it and if the movie itself is any good).

Imagine the stir if Riseborough wins, too.

I kinda hope she does win! Just to shove it in the throats of The Academy who think they can control who gets nominated and influence who wins

If you've seen the movie, you know she deserves to win.

R415- its true. The fact that her performance was not better known to begin with- is a joke.

Andrea should win. And if the academy actually now watches the film- she very well could.

I think it may depend on how this narrative turns out regarding all of these ethics accusations.

The fact that we live in a universe where this nomination is being questioned and that fucking Anna D'Fuckface is in the category is all I need to know.

Here's what I don't understand. Why is only Riseborough to blame for lack of diversity of the nominees? There are four other nominees in the category.

The only hope for peace in the land is to remake Beaches with Andrea as CC and Danielle as Hillary.

[417] They chose her as their target because her campaign for the nod was all 'social media' and not millions of dollars spent by a studio in PR. So studios who backed Viola Davis and Deadwyler and spent millions on billboards, print ads, meet-n-greets, etc. are furious they wasted that money when all either actress had to do was get a few celebrity friends to tout her performance on social media.

However, the problem wit that is : Riseboroughs performance was miles away from the performance either of the other two gave. AR was absolutely outstanding, the other two were not. And the Oscars should be about outstanding work. She should win.

Unless there was a violation of rules (which doesn't appear to be the case), there's not a damn thing the academy can do.

My guess is Riseborough's reliance on non-traditional methods of scoring a nomination will become the new normal. And there's nothing wrong with it, either.

I love the Andrea Riseborough nomination. Every year, there are small indie performances leagues better than the “filler nods” we get. The fact that one of them broke through and has now turned what was seen as a two-horse race between Blanchett and Yeoh into pure chaos is exciting and gratifying.

I hope Andrea wins. Her performance is the strongest of those who were nominated.

Make no mistake about it, Andrea has all sorts of buzz now and lots of people are talking about her performance on social media and how superb it is.

Those of us who already knew her from the episode of Black Mirror called “Crocodile” (one of the best episodes of the series) already knew how talented she was. She should have won an Emmy for that performance. It’s incredible.

[quote]Here's what I don't understand. Why is only Riseborough to blame for lack of diversity of the nominees? There are four other nominees in the category.

Because the results were fixed to guarantee a diversity nomination. That didn’t happen, and now the Academy is dumbfounded how Riseborough got through.

Andrea R and her circle of friends beat the Academy at their own game. And now, Whoopie and Jada are furious.

Skinny bitchy white girls will always win.

No you didn’t R405.

You haven’t watched it R407. Sit down.

The film has been out on download sites for 3 months now, so anyone can watch it easily.

So which is worse — well connected people getting a nom because of their insider status, or POC getting a nom to fill a white-guilt quota — in both instances, let’s say it’s in the absence of actual exceptional talent.

Not a rhetorical question.

[quote] Unless there was a violation of rules (which doesn't appear to be the case), there's not a damn thing the academy can do.

The Academy can do WHATEVER THE FUCK IT WANTS. You people act like it’s some legal government entity that you have control over. It is a private organization that can do what it wants. If it wants to rescind her nomination and give it to someone else, they can do exactly that.

[quote]They chose her as their target because her campaign for the nod was all 'social media' and not millions of dollars spent by a studio in PR. So studios who backed Viola Davis and Deadwyler and spent millions on billboards, print ads, meet-n-greets, etc. are furious they wasted that money when all either actress had to do was get a few celebrity friends to tout her performance on social media.

The world is changing and the Industry is always slow to keep up with the changes.

R430 The Academy is made up of over 10,000 members who aren't going to tolerate the powers-that-be disregarding their voted-for choices. It would undermine the entire voting process, as shaky as it already is.

[quote] I believe there has been ONE, Fucking ONE Black best actress winner in the NINETY FIVE YEAR history of the Academy

That's because there weren't many Black leading ladies until the 60's and then only sporadically and not in films that could compete for AA nomination. That's not to say there hasn't been bias but for most of the 90 YEARS there weren't that many movies with strong leading role performances by Black actresses.

r430 Whether the academy CAN rescind her nomination and whether they WILL are two entirely different things.

R382 forgets that black folks sold other black folks into slavery for generations, and they are still doing it today.

Rescinding the nomination will only help Blanchett - Riseborough was supposed to challenge her for the white lady big theatrics vote.

Wouldn't it be funny though. Two women of color got nuked by a white woman's unhinged campaign, and it's the only surviving woman of color that gets torn to pieces by the shockwaves.

All this talk about Andrea prompted me to dust off my DVD of ANNA starring Sally Kirkland who knows a thing or two about campaigning. She was brilliant in a movie very few people saw when it was released and is all but forgotten now. And so is Sally. Who won the Oscar that year? Cher who gave two excellent film performance prior to Moonstruck and none since. The Oscars have never been fair and never will be. But I would love to see Andrea win.

[quote]So studios who backed Viola Davis and Deadwyler and spent millions on billboards, print ads, meet-n-greets, etc. are furious they wasted that money when all either actress had to do was get a few celebrity friends to tout her performance on social media.

Does Viola really have any friends?

Viola people are FURIOUS at the lack of a nomination for momma. They intend to make a lot of noise about it (in fact, they've already started) and refuse to accept there were just better performances than hers this year. From an insider.

Viola people need to get to the back of bus on this one.

Some of Viola's fans on twitter are nutsos who cry any time people refuse to Viola's feet.

Here's a story from The Hollywood Reporter about why Riseborough won't, and shouldn't be sanctioned. Provides a lot of historical context that I hope will settle everyone down and stop with the inappropriate Riseborough dragging.

I have 2 questions about 'To Leslie' without giving any spoilers away...

1. What was Leslie's relationship to 'Nancy' and 'Pete' ? Was she just friends with that couple, or was she related to them (sister and brother-in-law ; brother and sister-in-law, cousins) ? I think at the end Nancy says 'we're family' but how ?

2. In the credits, an actor and an actress are credited with playing Leslie's parents. In what scene do we ever meet her parents ? I don't recall at all. (I'm wondering if a scene was filmed and ended up on the cutting room floor),

Thanks in advance !

r434, great point!

r436, rescinding the nomination MAY help Blanchett and may not. Considering she was part of the group of WHITE actors who was pushing for Andrea's nomination, if the nomination's rescinded, it could go two ways.

Cate will win because of a combination of most Academy votes really believing she was the most deserving of the Best Actress Oscar and white resentment (Academy's still predominately white) on what happened to Andrea. Or...

Again, since Cate was a part of the group pushing for Andrea and there's a backlash, Cate could received the brunt of that backlash considering she's a current nominee and lose out. Add the possibility of white guilt and the Oscar could go to a woman of color, either Michelle Yeoh (who I'm personally rooting for) or either Viola Davis or Danielle Deadwyler it either of them replaces Andre.

After reading the article at R442's post, with decades' worth of various means of gaming the system, it amazes me even more how people can take the Oscars seriously.

OMG you have to look at that ad Margaret Avery took out for her Color Purple nomination in the article R442 linked. The only thing more embarrassing is the ad Chill Wills' publicist took out for his client's nod for The Alamo in 1960.

I think the comeuppance in TAR is one of the best in movie history.....it's a long wait, but it's wonderful.

[quote]r424 And now, Whoopie and Jada are furious.

Where have they commented?

R443, I think they were her in-laws or otherwise grandparents of her son.

R444 ,Cate mentioned Andrea's name along with several other females she believed should get awarded doenthoer work.. She even gave a shout out to women in tampon commercials.

Cate Blanchett seems like someone who is full of shit and talks out of her ass. I can't take anything she says in interviews seriously. It always seems like she is making up a story to avoid giving out details of her life, or her answers are always so abstract

I told you bitches 20 years ago that the Academy Awards were nonsense.

For decades, it's been It's been laughable how serious everybody takes them, when, all along, if you half-way paid attention, it was obvious how corrupt and ultimately meaningless they are, just as that THR piece at r442 states.

Talk shit about Brando and George C. Scott all you want. They have it coming and then some.

But they were right on about their refusal to recognize an Academy Award.

I'll grant the Oscars TV production reluctant respect for one thing : I always knew I could expect, and will enjoy, trainwreck TV and those SOBs never disappointed me.

I’m as progressive, liberal, and democratic as they come, and this seems anything BUT either of those things. Tell me, where’s the proof that Riseborough pushed any of these people to campaign for her, “aggressively” at that? And is it being implied that her peers and other individuals in the industry would campaign for her just because she asked them to rather than because they actually loved her performance, which is one of 2022’s best?

Riseborough didn’t take a goddamn thing from anyone. She earned and deserved this nomination, and I’d say that even if she bared and shook her Tic Tac titties on Hollywood Blvd. to campaign for it. In fact, the only questionable nominee, as far as I’m concerned, is Michelle—give me a fucking break, seriously—Williams. I would quickly replace her with Danielle Deadwyler.

In any event, cancel culture has reached truly abhorrent and unprecedented levels. Enough! Sufficient! Basta!

[quote] Don't people use shady tactics to get nominations all the time anyway? This thing is all politics.

Yes. Although this is an embarrassment to the organization. It underscores just how political and easily manipulated the nominations process has been since inception.

[quote] If Yeoh wins, it’ll be more the first Asian winning lead actress and a career award.

Honoring someone for their career and body of work is a terrible injustice.

[quote] I kinda hope she does win! Just to shove it in the throats of The Academy who think they can control who gets nominated and influence who wins.

It is NOT the Academy or a few Black actresses that prompted this review. It is the Hollywood machine that invests millions into marketing its products for the visibility and validation of an Oscar nomination or award. If a multi-million dollar media campaign can be upended by a few social media posts then the whole industry is in trouble.

[quote]If a multi-million dollar media campaign can be upended by a few social media posts then the whole industry is in trouble.

Counterpoint: If a multi-million dollar media campaign can be upended by a few social media posts then hallelujah.

[quote] So which is worse — well connected people getting a nom because of their insider status, or POC getting a nom to fill a white-guilt quota — in both instances, let’s say it’s in the absence of actual exceptional talent.

Indeed. The Oscars, particularly the Best Actress Oscar, has always been about rewarding "exceptional" talent. These winners are among the most "exceptional" fellatists in Hollywood history:

Gwyneth Paltrow

Julia Roberts

Emma Stone

Jennifer Lawrence

Holly Hunter

Sandy Bullock

[quote] AR was absolutely outstanding, the other two were not. And the Oscars should be about outstanding work. She should win.

Are the other four performances nominated in this category "outstanding"? Because I wasn't planning to watch any of them.

I doubt very much that Ms. Riseborough is “friends” (or even acquainted with) all the stars who came out on her behalf.

They are her peers who know she’s a great actress.

R435 excuses excuses

R448

Whoopi was overheard commenting about this when she was on a hot mic at the McDonald's in Times Square. And Jada was overheard commenting about this at the Panda Express in Mall of America. One of the customers overheard her standing in line.

^Super lame. The obsession with Jada has become pathological. Its right up there with Meghan Markle.

I have to believe all this attention for Riseborough can only help her chances for winning. So many people are jumping to her defense, and so many voting members are going to actually watch the movie who otherwise wouldn't.

Exactly. All this controversy and discussion is incredible publicity for Riseborough and this film. I’ll bet Jennifer Aniston got her A-list PR people involved as a favor for her friend.

How did Colleen Camp get dragged into this…Since when is she an “event planner?”

“Oscar campaigns are expensive efforts involving parties, consultants and advertisements that carry steep price tags. The “To Leslie” campaign apparently was self-funded. But it did enlist two PR firms, Narrative and Shelter, along with event planners like Colleen Camp, to help draw attention to the movie. Who paid those bills? Momentum Pictures? Riseborough? Some third party? Inquiring minds want to know.”

I hope she wins.

Where is that quote from r466, it sounds absolutely unhinged. Some "third party"??? What like NORTH KOREA PERHAPS?????? Execute her!

[quote]Some "third party"??? What like NORTH KOREA PERHAPS?????? Execute her!

It was Valerie Jarrett.

This article just came out.

I think Viola is angry because she probably lost out on the BP role that Angela got, and now Angela has a nomination, unlike Viola and her Suicide Squad turns.

Nobody can force a member to vote against their wishes on the privacy of an anonymous ballot. They actually watched the movie and voted, unlike however many times voters have just reflexively written in Meryl or Michelle Williams without actually watching the movie.

R470 That was very interesting. Thank you.

From the article at R470. Wow.

[QUOTE] “Can you imagine if Viola [Davis] was being accused of what her [Andrea Riseborough] team is being accused of? Viola wouldn’t have gotten to the point of getting nominated. She would have already been disqualified and probably kicked out of the Academy. There’s always one set of rules for one group and one set for another. Or should I say, one set for Black people? We see this all the time, and the Academy knows it. Yet, they chose not to do anything about it… so do I think she’ll be kicked out? Hell no! Because ‘White is Always Right.’ She’ll probably even win because the system is made for people like her to thrive. To succeed. To flourish. For Black people, there is no system. We aren’t flourishing. But I’ll wait to see what they’ll do.” – Member requested their branch affiliation not be identified

[quote]Can you imagine if Viola [Davis] was being accused of what her [Andrea Riseborough] team is being accused of?

I'm still waiting for an explanation of what exactly her team is being accused of.

The person quoted at R474 is clearly nuts. It's sad that society/culture actually encourages some people to be nuts.

R468 From OP’s article.

WE FOUND JADA!

R478, the person really does sound like Jada. They definitely sound female to me as well.

Aren’t Jada and Will still in hiding? No one wants to hear from or look at either of their asses.

The fact is, no Black actor nomination would ever be questioned by the Academy no matter what. Andrea's misfortune is that she's White.

Still have no clue what she did wrong.

Colleen Camp became a behind-the-scenes "Hollywood wife" during her marriage to John Goldwyn. Who I just found it, is now gay.

R445 Exactly. Just like the Grammys. It's all politics, ass kissing and hand shaking.

People saying Cate can't win now are forgetting Anthony Hopkins winning his second for a much less seen arthouse movie over the dead Chadwick Boseman in the year of BLM. Sometimes, rare today but still, the Academy does reward based on talent over sob stories.

The only inside source who's comment meant anything because they saw the film-

“I watched her performance in ‘To Leslie’ and thought she was extraordinary. What a beautiful, wonderful movie, and not something you see a lot in the theaters. I was so moved by it. I received an invitation to see the film, and I went. Everyone I talked to felt the same way I did. I don’t know if she broke any rules. Do you know what I honestly think? I think this is a quest to find out why a woman from a movie no one had heard about was able to receive a nomination purely on the performance. Do you know how many of my colleagues are nominated because they’re in so and so’s movies? A lot. If she were disqualified from the awards, it would be a decimation of the Actors’ choice because it’s our choice to nominate someone.” – Member of the Actors Branch

[quote]so do I think she’ll be kicked out? Hell no! Because ‘White is Always Right.’ She’ll probably even win because the system is made for people like her to thrive. To succeed. To flourish. For Black people, there is no system. We aren’t flourishing.

Perpetual victimhood, like always.

R486 perpetual ignorance and low intelligence from you like always.

I really enjoyed her character of Leslie. I thought, 'here we go, another film about a drunk and druggy woman', but it was a really well written and superbly acted.

Allison Janney was fantastic, as always, and gave the film gravitas. Owen Teague gave a lovely, understated performance as the son.

I just really loved the twist and turns and how she turned her life around at the end.

In my opinion, it was definitely an Oscar nomination performance. I think other actors will respond well to it and vote for her.

These protests will have the following effects:

1) They will tarnish Riseborough's reputation unfairly (since she did not lead the protests herself);

2) they will continue to de-legitimize the Oscars in the minds of Americans as ridiculously overpoliticized by the SJW crowd, and will contribute to even smaller ratings.

[quote](since she did not lead the protests herself);

Sorry, that should read "(since she did not lead the campaign herself)"

3) Andrea will unexpectedly win the Oscar

After Frances McDormand's third win for documenting her bowel movements, no one should take the Academy Awards ceremony too seriously.

I'm in favor of whatever is going to most infuriate Jada and Viola and the Till director.

R453, what does being progressive or liberal have to do with all this shit? How does one's poltical leanings factor into an opinion of some actress being investigated for her Oscar campaign?

To the poster above who said no African-American has won Best Actress Oscars, you forgot Charlize Theron won for Monster's Ball

*Monster

R480 sure, the real victims here are Andrea and her white middle aged actress friends, sure of course

R497, it's just the Oscars. Using the term "victims" is just silly melodrama.

It ain't fittin' - it jus' ain't fittin'! That white trash Riseborough girl gettin' tha' nominashun over Vi Ella.

I haven't seen her film, but based on the many comments I've seen it's a mesmerizing performance. Nothing wrong with her fellow actors using what clout they have to help her get a nomination.

There's no guarantee that Davis or Deadwyler were even bumped by Riseborough. If anything, they were bumped by de Armas, who in my opinion in no way deserved a nomination for Blonde. But she had the standard big studio/agency campaign so no one is calling her out. There's no way knowing if they were 6th on the list, behind Riseborough or de Armas.

[quote] The person quoted at [R474] is clearly nuts. It's sad that society/culture actually encourages some people to be nuts.

The person quoted at r474 is a member of the Academy and knows a little more about it than the rest of us. I wouldn't say they were any more nuts than the rest of the Academy.

[quote] To the poster above who said no African-American has won Best Actress Oscars, you forgot Charlize Theron won for Monster's Ball

R495 I can't tell if you're serious or seriously fucking stupid. Its likely both 🤡🤡

I expect the medical profession would disagree with your supposition that all members of a given cohort are equally mentally sound, R501.

Some "unknown old white actress," R33? She's 41, you fucking idiot. Danielle Deadwyler is exactly 1 year younger, by comparison. So I guess Deadwyler must be old, too by your illogic. Fuck off.

[quote] R453], what does being progressive or liberal have to do with all this shit? How does one's poltical leanings factor into an opinion of some actress being investigated for her Oscar campaign?

Absolutely everything is political these days. Come on now.

[quote] The fact is, no Black actor nomination would ever be questioned by the Academy no matter what. Andrea's misfortune is that she's White.

I suppose if you are a Klan Granny this is all about race, and your hate for Viola Davis. However, if you are not a bigot and consider how few Blacks are in the Academy and how few ever get nominated, it would be implausible that the decision to investigate could be based on race. The Academy very obviously doesn't care enough about race to launch an investigation of a single nomination.

The investigation is because it does not want the traditional institutions of the industry it serves, those which deem which films are important and which performances should be recognized, to be supplanted by mere actors utilizing social media.

R502, Charlize Theron was born in South Africa and became a U.S. citizen, so she is actually an African-American. I suspect that poster was making a joke about that, which got mangled by confusing her Monster movie with Halle Berry's.

I didn't realize that anyone cared about awards shows anymore. The speeches are so tedious and there is no longer any real glamor involved. The dresses and suits are always heinous and unflattering.

Charlize Theron was born and raised in Africa, and has South African and US citizenship. So yes, she is an African-American. Not everyone in Africa is black.

You all love to hate on black women so much and are forgetting that the Oscars don't give a fuck about black people. The Academy doesn't care about race enough to investigate this. It's all about traditional methods of campaign vs modern/ contemporary formats i.e social media

It's hard to take seriously anyone who uses the term "Klan Granny." Isn't that reserved for the tedious Meghan Markle threads?

R506, do you get paid every time you use the term "Klan Granny" or did someone dare you to try and make it take off? Consider yourself Gretchen Weiners, hon. It's NEVER going to happen.

[QUOTE] The Academy doesn't care about race enough to investigate this.

Isn’t this exactly what they just announced they’re currently doing?

I dont think anyone has said African American when mentioning the lack of diversity in the best actress oscar race. The posts have been specific in staying BLACK actress. CT doesn't count, she is a white bitch from Africa

"CT doesn't count, she is a white bitch from Africa"

So, R514, is it women or white women you hate?

[quote] It's hard to take seriously anyone who uses the term "Klan Granny." Isn't that reserved for the tedious Meghan Markle threads?

It's hard to take anyone who posts at Datalounge seriously. Particularly someone who takes umbrage at the use of "Klan Granny" -- a relatively civil, quaint name for a loathsome ideology -- instead of all of the racist vitriol you should be condemning.

"It's hard to take anyone who posts at Datalounge seriously."

Looking at you, R516.

[quote]You all love to hate on black women so much and are forgetting that the Oscars don't give a fuck about black people. The Academy doesn't care about race enough to investigate this.

Perpetual victim Jada is posting all over this thread.

R515, when the fuck did I say I hate women of any race? You bitches post so much disgusting crap about Jada, Viola etc but the minute someone says anything negative about one of these white actresses, oH YoU hAtE wOmEn

R519, are you defending calling Theron a "white bitch" with some whataboutism bullshit?

Someone called Viola a black bitch upthread, I didn't hear any complaints about it

Because I didn't see it, R521. Yeah, that's bullshit. So is whataboutism.

[quote]There's no guarantee that Davis or Deadwyler were even bumped by Riseborough. If anything, they were bumped by de Armas, who in my opinion in no way deserved a nomination for Blonde. But she had the standard big studio/agency campaign so no one is calling her out. There's no way knowing if they were 6th on the list, behind Riseborough or de Armas.

I think Deadwyler was bumped by de Armas. de Armas' performance in Blonde was atrocious. Someone in Hollywood is protecting de Armas.

It seems if any of the actresses on the list don't deserve to be there it's de Armas.

[quote]Someone in Hollywood is protecting de Armas.

She must be sucking all the right dicks. Her nom for Blonde is ridiculous. It's a horrible movie, horrible performance, and it was also a horrible book. Joyce Carol Oates's rape fantasy of Marilyn Monroe.

I tried watching "Blonde", but didn't make it through the first half hour; and I will watch damn near anything.

When is the academy supposed to make its decision?

The meeting is tomorrow. They'll presumably make a decision and announce it then.

The outcome of this so called investigation won't change a thing. Andrea will remain nominated and now most likely will win

Here's a scene from To Leslie (no spoilers in this scene):

The anonymous impressions about this “controversy” by members in other branches is a huge tell about where this is going. I would not be surprised to see Andrea win in March.

I wouldn't go that far, R531. Almost every year there's a surprise nomination that people insist might now just have a shot at the win because their shocking inclusion demonstrates passion. None of those surprise nominees have won an Oscar since Marcia Gay Harden over twenty years ago, and that was an incredibly divided field with no real front-runner.

Riseborough is just the most extreme version of that imaginable.

r532 I think you would be right if not for all the publicity this "controversy" has generated. Voting for Riseborough is now going to be the popular thing to do. At the very least, more members are actually going to watch her performance than they may have otherwise.

Would love if she wins

I find it hilarious that if she does win, they give her a statue that looks like Jada.

Could someone explain to me how someone could have performed malfeasance here? Are they thinking they might find there were bribes, or what?

There really instant.

They do have technical rules that when promoting a performer for consideration, Academy members cannot mention them in comparison to other performers (ie, the competition.) Actress Frances Fisher did mention a few other actresses who would probably to be in the running in her tweet - but that’s something the Academy will have to take up with her.

^^ There really ISN’T (not “instant”)

!!!

This reminds me a bit of when the music industry had invested millions in acts like Motley Crue and Guns 'n' Roses, and three guys from Washington state in a little band called Nirvana knocked the shit out of them.

The queens at awards daily are melting down about it and one is suggesting that Frances fisher should be charged with a crime.

Hoping she wins, to stick it to that dusty, snobbish academy board

I want Andrea to win. But, I think Oscar voters in the acting branch are fearing backlash and are going to vote for other actresses.

The bitchy part of me hopes Andrea lands some role playing a famous American woman in a based on a true story movie which is Oscar worthy. That would probably piss off a lot of people who get pissy whenever Brits playing American historical figures.

The scariest revaluation throughout this whole ordeal is the fact Daphne Zuniga is a member of the Academy!

R543 Zuniga is being a member isn't as bad as Kate McKinnon, Leslie Jones, Leslie Mann, and Tiffany Haddish being members of the Academy. None of those women should be Academy members.

This goes back to what I was saying in the Cate Blanchett thread.

They nominate these bombs no one watches with unknown actors and they expect millions of people are supposed to tune in to see if they’ll win.

And NO it wasn’t always like that. A lot of the biggest movies of the year used to align with the Oscars as well as the biggest actors.

Not anymore.

I don’t think the Oscars would nominate a movie like “Titanic” today if it was released.

[quote] The scariest revaluation throughout this whole ordeal is the fact Daphne Zuniga is a member of the Academy!

They'll have to search her cavernous nostrils for clues!

[quote] I don’t think the Oscars would nominate a movie like “Titanic” today if it was released.

And that's a BAD thing, according to you?!

R545 Titanic would still totally get a raft of nominations, no pun intended!

R543, if you believe DL gossip, Daphne Zuniga invented the Blu-Ray and is the power player behind the career of Steven Spielberg.

She doesn’t vote for the Oscars. She decides them.

Zuniga is the Leona Helmsley of the Academy, and runs that place with an iron fist. Everyone knows it.

The difference today is the lack of big, quality mainstream movies,

Mainstream movies today are mostly derivative blockbusters.

I'd laugh my ass off if Riseborough won.

If this investigation shit irritates us DLers, I would imagine it pisses off the actors who vote too. It’s basically censoring who they can post about on Instagram.

If Andrea wins, then I hope someone tells Cate Blanchett, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". LOL!!!

[quote] If this investigation shit irritates us DLers, I would imagine it pisses off the actors who vote too. It’s basically censoring who they can post about on Instagram.

I would not imagine or assume that the viewpoints expressed here are any indication of how Academy members feel about this situation.

If she was black do you honestly think they would be investigating?

Director Paul Schrader, ever the shit-stirrer, says he's voting for Andrea

Anybody know what time the meeting is today?

Is Andrea allowed to attend the meeting and plead her case?

The nomination industry won't be happy if Andrea's nomination holds.

R554 thats exactly what she would deserve. She talks too much shit

I heard Faye Dunaway is presenting the Lead Actress Oscar this year.

R545 the field of best pics nominated is a mandatory 10 now. Titanic would definitely get in. I preferred it when it was 5, but they want to nominate some blockbusters to increase the viewership. It hasn’t done a damn thing to move the needle.

R562 be sure she’s given the right envelope, or she’ll announce herself as the winner.

Was Jada invited to speak at the meeting? Because there will be hell to pay and slaps to duck if she is silenced.

Andrea has the charisma of a wet noodle. She also looks like one. However one feels about this whole mess, it isn't going to bring in viewers. We miss the glamor and excitement of movies and awards.

Another dreary angsty film starring a dreary actress who wears a hoodie on television isn't going to draw people in. Film buffs will still watch like always.

The Oscars have just been so damn boring. And the ceremony is wayyyy too long. Just get on with the winners and cut the stupid shit out.

Hollywood needs to find someone with the talent of Riseborough, the glamor of JLo, and the charisma of Julia Roberts or Angelina Jolie.

R568, hello!

r567 I agree. Just announce each category, let the winner speak, and move on to the next award. They've just filled it with so many tributes, circle jerks, and bullshit that has only made the ceremony dull.

I've always hated this comment. Its not my style. However in this case-

Can someone SHIT in R566's mouth?

Please and thank you. Maybe a horse or an elephant could take care of it?

R565 keep my wife's name outchur fuckin' mouf!

R571 Andrea's soul cycle instructor shitting all over this thread about how STUPENDOUS Andrea is.

I don't mind the Oscars running long. Horrible flyover pigs spend weeks of their lives every year watching football, us fags can devote four hours to gowns beautiful gowns

R573- At least see the film. You can the watch Legally Blonde or some shit after to feel better-

r574 I don't believe in football games either.

R575 omg so true. Films about alcoholics are SO rare, unlike ditzy comedies!

This reminds me of when ONJ was a newbie in America, not accepted in the inner circles of 'country music' since she was from 'Australia' and not Nashville, and won recognition from the Grammy Awards and Country Music Awards for her country songs she started with back then. She pissed off a lot of country music 'legends' in the 70s with her nominations and her wins - including Dolly Parton, Tammy Wynette, June Carter Cash, Waylon Jennings, etc. All because she was taking nominations and awards from 'real country singers' from Nashville. The respective academies were in a quandry on whether she should keep her nominations or not (she kept them).

When is Jada's testimony starting?

Is Brendad a voting member?

[quote] She pissed off a lot of country music 'legends' in the 70s with her nominations and her wins - including Dolly Parton, Tammy Wynette, June Carter Cash, Waylon Jennings, etc.

Dolly and Tammy stood up for her. It was mostly men who were pissed off, primarily Johnny Paycheck.

One good thing to come out of this whole ordeal:

I can almost pick Andrea Risborough out of a lineup! Like Sienna Miller before her, she’s always been a name I recognize, but her face is a completely blank slate to me. I saw W.E. I saw Nocturnal Animals. I remember her characters’ hair and clothes, even their mannerisms. But never HER.

Maybe she’s a better actress than people think.

R557, why is that shit stirring? My only question is that I thought only actors could vote for actors--he's a writer/director.

R559, what case would she need to plead--giving a good performance that other actors loved?

R583 - For the nominations each branch votes on their own. For the final vote the entire membership votes for everything.

R582, Sienna Miller face blindness is real. It took me forever to realize that I actually enjoyed her as an actress, when even now I think people mostly know her as a tabloid figure from the early 2000s involved in some poorly-remembered scandal.

So what happened at the meeting?

It's only 10:30 in the morning. We don't even know whether the meeting has even started yet.

I thought you weren't allowed to announce who you voted for, at least before the ceremony?

There's no rule about that, R588.

Do people think she'll win?

Probably not, R590, but she stands a better chance now with all this publicity and more Academy members seeing her movie than they would have.

I think all this pointless hoopla is going to be the best thing that happened to Andrea. Even better than the Oscar nom. Even if she gets her nomination rescinded.

Every single A list director and TV show runner is now going to watch her movie. And she's a revelation in it. She's going to get the best parts available for the next five years.

She should win.

Skinny white bitches always win, Jada. Never forget.

Someone needs to start a Part 2.

Go ahead, R595.

Here's Part 2.

This is a strange and yet strangely dull Oscars controversy.

This girl's Oscar campaign was too successful in too short a time so they have to investigate her?

It's stupid. The girl managed to snag a nomination, let her be.

“Girl”? Is she eight years old?

600!