Paul Pelosi attack: Police body camera video shows violent hammer assault

So it was the cops' fault because they fucked up the arrest?

What tools.

There was no reason news organizations or the public needed to see this video.

Agreed, r2. So bloodthirsty.

I hadn’t realized the attacker was fat. A great big fat guy.

One cop wanted to leave and go to another address. Then they stood there and did nothing, letting the perp have all the control. Maga

I didn't watch it and I won't watch the Tyrell video. I'm smart enough to understand violence and I deplore the new agencies pursuing this. The worst kind of rubber necking.

They want us to become numb to it, r6.

R6, it's to give the middle finger to all the right-wingers who spread conspiracies about what happened to Pelosi. This proves they were wrong.

Right wing faggot and Richmond area radio host John Reid was salivating at this being released but has suddenly gone radio silent.

What happened to his eagerness?

Brace yourself. News organizations are currently salivating for the release of the Nashville footage. It will be non-stop wall to wall coverage of horrific senseless violence played on and endless loop throughout the weekend. They can't wait to air it.

Yes, r10.

Memphis

[quote]it's to give the middle finger to all the right-wingers who spread conspiracies about what happened to Pelosi. This proves they were wrong.

We should be so lucky.

^Just as I suspected. I fucking hate MAGA/QAnon.

Paul was obviously intoxicated. But he miraculously survived.

The footage is appalling; fat perp should be locked away forever. Not so much for what he did. But- like Jan. 6th- what was intended (in both cases, the murder of Nancy Pelosi for der Fuhrer).

Jeeze. He is lucky he survived that.

[quote]Paul was obviously intoxicated.

So, r15?

[quote]Paul was obviously intoxicated.

How so?

Like others I will not watch - I am surprised that the police did not open fire on the DePape as soon as he started hitting Mr. Pelosi. There are other situations with other kinds of perps where I do think the cops would have emptied their magazines.

Too risky, r19. They would’ve hit Pelosi.

Plus, the go-to on something like that is just overpower the guy.

[quote]Paul was obviously intoxicated.

Not from what I heard on the 911 call. Was very lucid, in spite of being woken up at 2 in the morning by an intruder, and had the wherewithal to give subtle hints to the emergency operator to indicate something was wrong. That was very smart.

Years ago I worked for a security company where if an alarm went off at someone’s house, you’d have to call them and verify everything was ok. The homeowner was supposed to give us a password so we would know we are indeed talking to the homeowner and the word was correct.

The first thing we were taught was that no matter what word the homeowner gave, you reacted the same way: you didn’t react at all. If the password was ‘blue’ and the person said ‘orange,’ you didn’t react at all other than to say, “Thank you, Mr. Jones, that’s it, glad everything is OK” so if someone else was on the line, they wouldn’t be tipped off. Then you called in the troops (as it were).

Paul’s 911 call reminded me of that.

Well, because you will not watch the video and have literally no idea what you're talking about R19 - the police clearly didn't expect the attacker to suddenly attack Pelosi. When the door was opened the scene was quite calm with both the attacker and Pelosi holding the hammer in the entranceway area. They would have had no cause to draw their weapons. They were very surprised by the speed and suddenness of the hammer blow because they said so when the attack happened.

R8 please don’t tell me you have anything but contempt for Republican pols who made fun of the incident or worse. The GOP is one of the most virulent political parties in the world in 2023. Their response to this attack by one of their own supporters was disgusting..

Why was Paul only wearing a shirt? Who sleeps in a regular shirt and nothing else?

useful list:

He was in underwear also. He was roused from a sleep, he may have heard the perp breaking in, grabbed his shirt and ran downstairs.

That is a disgusting video. It’s extremely sad. I think they probably had to release it because people were making up a lot of rumors about the poor guy..

Exactly R26. It was 2 am in the morning.

[quote]Who sleeps in a regular shirt and nothing else?

Get a life, r24.

I think he's dressed properly for a blow-job.

It's entirely possible he put the shirt on at some point. Come on.

[quote]Paul was obviously intoxicated.

How so, r15?

Again, r24/r30 ...get a life.

There’s also footage of the fat MAGAT breaking into the home. So, no, he wasn’t in there having sex with Paul. Fucking morons. I hate all republicans. Every last nasty one of them.

It was terrible footage to watch & while I think it was good to put it out there to address the MAGA rumors (including the guy *breaking* into the house), there's nothing those people can't twist and distort, so no doubt MAGA- land is salivating over the sight of Pelosi answering the door in his shorts. Given the way he was attacked with a hammer, it's a wonder he's alive and doing as well as he is. As far as whether or not he was drunk, I personally didn't get that though I'm a heavy sleeper & I can't see without my glasses (and someone breaking into my home would scare the piss out of me), so I doubt I'd be lucid either.

It's immaterial if he had been drinking or not, r35.

He's almost 83 years old. It's 2am. At that and age and that hour you're lucky to know your own name

Well this clearly wasn't some hookup. That's horrific and I'm so glad PP survived and recovered. Fucking awful.

[quote]That's horrific and I'm so glad PP survived and recovered.

Well, recovering:

“Anyone who’s had a head injury knows that you have to be very careful,” Nancy Pelosi told Chris Wallace last weekend. “You have to be careful about movement. You have to be careful about light. You have to be careful about sound. And it just takes a while. You get very tired, but, you know, without going so further into it, but it takes, it will take probably another three or four months, according to the doctors, for him to be really himself.”

I think it is fucking BIZARRE that some of you are criticizing the cops. Did you not see the same clip? Did you see how quickly that escalated? Also, hellllloooo, we all have the benefit of hindsight — the cops had zero idea of what they were walking up on. Part of being trained in de-escalation means you don’t aggressively run up to people and invade their personal space. They were trying to understand what the fuck they walked up on. Father son? Male lovers? Who was a victim? Was there any danger? It takes a full second to process a thought, ya know?

I don’t think the cops could have done any better because they simply did not understand what was happening. I expected that there would be an ongoing conversation, that’s what the news made it sound like, but that went at warp speed. It was indeed horrific.

I agree that our addiction to violence is sick, but I do think this (sadly) had to be released so people can see the truth with their own eyes. There is power in letting people see things for themselves. Think of Emmett Till’s mother and his casket photo. She was a hero for doing that, and if you don’t get it, your heart is made of coal and your mind is made of mush. I am certain Nancy and the family understand that it is extremely awful, but the footage must be released.

Don’t worry about the conspiracy loons, now they’ll just say it was doctored….but that will wake up a few of them, we can only just continue to chip away at their insanity. I cannot believe PP survived that, the intruder took a *full force* swing directly at his skull, it’s shocking that he survived. His breathing was horrific, I never thought about a violent injury making someone snore, but it makes sense. Maybe Paul was drunk (it’s likely based on shirt/shorts) but I bet being drunk saved his damn life! It dulled the pain and maybe allowed him to go unconscious quickly. I hope the intruder is in jail forever.

Well said R40.

I don't think he was drunk, but in the privacy of his own home he has a right to drink, so what?

R24. Do you live in a cave? Because you’re a piece of shit.

[quote]Maybe Paul was drunk (it’s likely based on shirt/shorts

Immaterial, r40. Who cares?

R44, I beg your pardon. I did not clarify and I should have — I totally agree with you, it was not a value judgement, just an observation on what I think may have saved his life, but I should have made that clear because the Rethugs have tried to crucify PP when he is nothing but a victim,

I eat old people’s excrement.

Police video should always be released within 24 hours. Not releasing the video is what is responsible for wild speculation.

True r47, but it isn’t every day that third in line to the POTUS has their spouse assassinated — there were and are national security issues that had to first be reviewed.

[quote]there were and are national security issues that had to first be reviewed.

Paul Pelosi's underwear is a national security issue? Do better.

[quote] There was no reason news organizations or the public needed to see this video.

I completely disagree. I'm sick of the whitewashing of reality. I think if we saw what really happens after a mass shooting, if they showed the bodies of 20 kids blown to smithereens by some maniac, politicians would start rethinking their positions about gun control. But what you get is, yellow tape, people laying down flowers, thoughts and prayers.

I think the public needs to see what these maniacs are doing and this is a perfect example.

R50, well said.

When the video is of police brutality, they hold the video until the police can determine what their story is and make sure everywhere will tell the same story consistently. It's a good reason to create a legal requirement of 24 hours, no exceptions.

MAGAs claim they can't fathom a person taking their pants off and drinking a beer in the privacy of their own home. For a lot of us this is perfectly normal behavior but for them it's obvious proof of a gay sex orgy.

These people are fucking insane.

[quote] I think if we saw what really happens after a mass shooting, if they showed the bodies of 20 kids blown to smithereens by some maniac, politicians would start rethinking their positions about gun control.

Sadly, I doubt it. If the media showed graphic video of a school shooting, the QAnon conspiracy loons would claim that the video was fake or staged. Republican politicians would criticize the media for showing the video, saying that it was insensitive to show it and was "politicizing" the shooting to promote the "liberal agenda." Then they would tell us that the carnage could have been prevented if the kids and their teachers were armed or if there was only one door to enter the building.

[quote]Police video should always be released within 24 hours. Not releasing the video is what is responsible for wild speculation.

By ignorant fools. So fucking what? A big part of what ails the world is thinking wild speculation matters. Speculators won't learn.

R49, I am certain they debated how many more people would not only know their address, but now the layout of the house, and yes, that’s a national security issue.

R50, when Uvalde happened, I wanted pictures released. We need to get our hands on them and shove them in politicians faces, “you believe the the right to do this to a child is more important than the child’s right to live?”

R54 I disagree, I’ve heard people debate it, it is a line the news still refuses to cross. We need them to show it.

He was going to break her kneecaps? That is just horrifying. What a horrible cruel thing to want to do. Throw the book at this guy.

"It's immaterial if he had been drinking or not"

Yes. It. Is. Do you know what the MAGAs are out there saying? Any number of kinky scenarios because Paul is in his underwear?

Paul has a problem with the drink. But it may have saved his life because it dulled his senses. He was amiable and chatty, instead of physical and threatening.

I just don't know why when the cops open a door and two men have their hands on a hammer- why they don't spring into action.

I hate all those fuckers in the list Kinzinger retweeted from the Seattle Times. They are disgusting and you just know that if Democratic politician and/or their family member was murdered none of them would have any sympathy. I can see MTG being nasty right away and spouting disgusting shit in that type situation. She would be leading the charge of gross and disgusting comments.

Because how would you know that quickly which one was the threat? That means they would have tackled and possibly tazed an elderly man because there is no way to know who is who, so they tackle both men, is that your solution?

Release the hammer . Now. As guns come out. That’s what should have happened

Can anyone else make sense of R61? I'm sure it means something.

Are they song lyrics?

It's Boris and his broken English. Just ignore these morons.

“Release the hammer, NOW!” (as guns come out).

That’s what should’ve happened.

R24 I do.

What do MAGA men sleep in? A lot of the men I know sleep in their underwear. The fact that Paul Pelosi was in his underwear is the least significant part of this whole scenario.

The people saying Pelosi was obviously drunk remind me of the thread we had the night Osama bin Laden was killed, and John King was on CNN looking less than sober. He'd probably had some sleeping pill of some sort and was woken up late to come in for the breaking news, but the thread turned into this insane free-for-all about King being drunk, with long stories about his "alcoholism" being posted, and it got so bad the thread was deleted.

There are a lot of people who just get an idea into their head and they can't let it go, and they escalate and escalate until it turns into a true delusion, or in this case mass delusion.

I'm sure some people are saying "he's drunk, he's gay, he deserved it" just to "own the libs" but it's clear if you read those MAGA threads and comments that a lot of people truly believe the crazy stories they've invented.

Can you see Paul”s boyfriend in the video too? Is he wearing undies too?

It’s truly despicable. There is no other story but that some asshole MAGA broke into the house and hammered an elderly person in the head, almost killing him. The extent that MAGATs will go to put the blame on the victim is just typical MAGA.

I posted there was no reason to show the video in public and I'm slightly changing my mind because I think in some instances there is real value in forcing the politicians and the public to see the reality of these things. You see that with the Tyree Nicholls video. I mean, Jesus...

In the Pelosi case I still think not because what you've got is essentially a mentally ill person acting out and showing it in public can be fairly assumed not to have any impact at all on the kind of people who spun bullshit in the first place.

What I wish is that Congress would be force fed real images of crimes like Uvalde and Nichols in private session... every awful image. Burn it in their brains.

Almost thirty years ago the Canadian serial rapist and killer Paul Bernardo was tried. He and his perv wife had filmed their captives. At trial, people could hear the audio but not see the video. It was profoundly disturbing - which is probably understating it. Sometimes I think hearing something, and left to your own imagination, is worse than seeing it.

R53 Well, they can. They're just trying to save face.

Saying "sorry I got it wrong" is a phrase they could never utter,

[quote] MAGAs claim they can't fathom a person taking their pants off and drinking a beer in the privacy of their own home.

Sitting around in their home in their underwear, drinking beer. Isn't that pretty much how most MAGAs spend their weekends?

The attacker called KTVU TV from the San Francisco County Jail yesterday and apologized for not doing more damage.

While there is a certain segment of the MAGA population that believes all the conspiracy theory bullshit because of their daily diet of Fox News, Fucker Carlson & the like, I think there is a also a larger (than we think) segment of the population that HATES Pelosi because the repigs have been vilifying her for years, she's a strong woman, democrat & of course insulted Dear Leader.

To admit that Pelosi's husband was a real victim of violence from some mentally deranged loon is to admit that hateful words, Facebook posts, etc. actually may have have resulted in real consequences and influenced a troubled person to commit a terrible act. Better to make yourself feel better about things & convince yourself that Paul is a sloppy drunk that was harmed by hookup gone awry.

[quote]To admit that Pelosi's husband was a real victim of violence from some mentally deranged loon is to admit that hateful words, Facebook posts, etc. actually may have have resulted in real consequences and influenced a troubled person to commit a terrible act.

Yeah, a lot of this is that they want the fun of being able to post death threats and memes about how they want you to die, and they don't want to admit there are any consequences to that.

[quote] they want the fun of being able to post death threats and memes about how they want you to die

There is a lot of that on DL, with people expressing that people they oppose politically die, be killed or be injured.