What does the AP have against The French?!?
AP updates it’s style for “the” labels
|by Anonymous||reply 75||January 30, 2023 2:50 PM|
The French know what they did.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||January 27, 2023 1:50 AM|
Can we still say The DataLounge?
|by Anonymous||reply 2||January 27, 2023 1:50 AM|
Woke is ruining everything.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||January 27, 2023 1:53 AM|
People who stink.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||January 27, 2023 1:54 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 5||January 27, 2023 1:56 AM|
Thank you, THE Associated Press!
|by Anonymous||reply 6||January 27, 2023 1:57 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 7||January 27, 2023 1:57 AM|
r7 Please ignore Kristen she's clearly part French. Or overly fond of Brie to be polite.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||January 27, 2023 2:00 AM|
So the people of France….
No wait - the French people…
Ugh. Still that pesky, dehumanizing “the.”
|by Anonymous||reply 9||January 27, 2023 2:03 AM|
What do you have against the correct use of apostrophes, OP?
|by Anonymous||reply 10||January 27, 2023 2:06 AM|
[quote] AP updates it’s style
|by Anonymous||reply 11||January 27, 2023 2:09 AM|
They're not wrong. I lived in Europe for six years. Whenever anyone used the phrase "the Americans", it was a sure sign that Yankee stereotypes were incoming.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||January 27, 2023 2:18 AM|
The Facebook, the Ukraine, the dementia, the COVID…
|by Anonymous||reply 13||January 27, 2023 2:24 AM|
So the AP Board is advocating for wordiness over succinctness
|by Anonymous||reply 14||January 27, 2023 2:33 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 15||January 27, 2023 2:37 AM|
That seems sensible.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||January 27, 2023 2:44 AM|
The gays, they die of the AIDS.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||January 27, 2023 2:50 AM|
They want us to say/write - "people who are French" ?
|by Anonymous||reply 18||January 27, 2023 2:52 AM|
People who JUST HAPPEN TO BE French.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||January 27, 2023 3:04 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 20||January 27, 2023 3:14 AM|
People who identify as French.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||January 27, 2023 4:37 AM|
People of the land known as France.
Or is it?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||January 27, 2023 6:05 AM|
Finally! No "The"!
|by Anonymous||reply 23||January 27, 2023 6:08 AM|
[quote] We recommend avoiding general and often dehumanizing “the” labels
I guess the folks at Sixt rent-a-car didn't get the message.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||January 27, 2023 6:31 AM|
Instead of “the French”, say “people who surrender”.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||January 27, 2023 8:45 AM|
Well played R25, I chuckled.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||January 27, 2023 9:14 AM|
The sugars, r15
|by Anonymous||reply 27||January 27, 2023 9:45 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 28||January 27, 2023 10:05 AM|
From Wikipedia: People-first language is a type of linguistic prescription. It aims to avoid perceived and subconscious dehumanization when discussing people with disabilities and is sometimes referred to (for example, by NHS England's style guide) as a type of disability etiquette. People-first language can also be applied to any group that is defined by a condition rather than as a people: for example, "those that are homeless" rather than "the homeless."
Actually, the preferred term is unhoused people.
Also, "it's" is a contraction for "it is," OP..
|by Anonymous||reply 29||January 27, 2023 10:26 AM|
Freedom people instead French
|by Anonymous||reply 30||January 27, 2023 10:32 AM|
Not sure what R12 means. The only English-speaking Europeans are the Brits and Irish and if they were bitching about Americans, they would just say 'Americans', not 'the Americans'.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||January 27, 2023 10:40 AM|
Brits call it THE menopause, like the idiots they are.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||January 27, 2023 11:05 AM|
Incredibly dumb and embarrassing for THE AP.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||January 27, 2023 11:20 AM|
About people with disabilities---or is that people who are differently able?
|by Anonymous||reply 34||January 27, 2023 12:26 PM|
guidelines are for the retarded.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||January 27, 2023 12:32 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 36||January 27, 2023 12:39 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 37||January 28, 2023 4:32 AM|
The only ones I understand are the ones that are stigmatizing, such as "the homeless." There's nothing dehumanizing about referring to the citizens of a country as "the French." There's no stigma associated with a college education. Honestly, this policy sounds like it was written by a college freshman who misunderstood what a stigma is.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||January 28, 2023 4:35 AM|
People afflicted by frenchness.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||January 28, 2023 5:37 AM|
[quote] They backtracked.
Backtracked how? They just doubled-down.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||January 28, 2023 6:10 AM|
[quote] The only ones I understand are the ones that are stigmatizing, such as "the homeless."
So we should make it sound like no big deal? Jesus Christ. This is lunacy. These agencies are nothing more than propaganda machines.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||January 28, 2023 6:11 AM|
I think it makes sense.
Would “the gays” be okay?
|by Anonymous||reply 42||January 28, 2023 6:26 AM|
Everyone so butthurt these days.
The term 'homeless' has been replaced with 'people without homes'- cause that's really going to solve the problem.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||January 28, 2023 6:47 AM|
R42 Why don’t you ask us? We’re right here on DL.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||January 28, 2023 6:48 AM|
Languages are precise and they don't care what the AP thinks, nor should you.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||January 28, 2023 6:52 AM|
French people and NEVER French... ugh... "folks".
|by Anonymous||reply 46||January 28, 2023 7:08 AM|
[quote]Languages are precise and they don't care what the AP thinks, nor should you.
I'm a copy editor; I have to care what they think. They've been ridiculous lately.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||January 28, 2023 9:18 AM|
“People suffering from Frenchness” is the consensus alternative.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||January 28, 2023 9:50 AM|
Who writes these “updates” to the AP Stylebook? Seriously. I want their names and their ages.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||January 28, 2023 10:20 AM|
[quote] Languages are precise and they don't care what the AP thinks, nor should you.
The woke mob says otherwise.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||January 28, 2023 10:23 AM|
Remember when they said that black has to be capitalized now? They twisted themselves into pretzels trying to explain that one, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||January 28, 2023 10:24 AM|
We don’t believe in labels.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||January 28, 2023 10:49 AM|
When translating into French will all the Le, La and L’ also now be removed?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||January 28, 2023 11:29 AM|
R50, That's "a mob that is woke" to you!
The intentions, paving the way to writing style Hell, are good, I think. That a human being not be implicitly defined by a limitation---autistic boy; handicapped girl; disabled woman; homeless man---but rather as a person first---boy with autism; etc.---is almost noble.
But when "limitations" are expanded to "any adjective under the sun," then writing descriptions becomes an exercise in absurdity.
Sally Who is Long and Tall.
Joe Biden who is President.
Harry, a Prince.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||January 28, 2023 11:40 AM|
[quote] So we should make it sound like no big deal? Jesus Christ. This is lunacy. These agencies are nothing more than propaganda machines.
Yes, I am saying that because I understand where they're coming from, homelessness is not a big deal. I'm glad you were able to pick up on that. You seem very smart!
|by Anonymous||reply 55||January 28, 2023 12:09 PM|
Please use "ze French, hon hon hon."
|by Anonymous||reply 56||January 28, 2023 12:52 PM|
"French people and NEVER French... ugh... 'folks'"
Of course not, silly; it's "French folques".
|by Anonymous||reply 57||January 28, 2023 1:04 PM|
Before they were the Homeless they were Bowery Bums. Perhaps we should go back to Hobo & Tramp.
Mentally Retarded replaced the older “cruel” clinical terms Idiot, Moron and Imbecile - which now don’t sound as bad.
We can’t solve unpleasant realities so we just scapegoat slightly dated euphemisms.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||January 28, 2023 2:05 PM|
Developmentally disabled replaced mentally retarded a long time ago. In fact, mentally retarded, which is an insult, is offensive.
I had a boss openly mock sensitivity training on language issues and ask, "Why should we use these terms?" The response was "Because they are part of we, and they matter as much as you do." Great moments in the public humiliation of an asshole boss.
The AP screwed up and took People First one step to far to include a nonstigmatized group. So they messed up. Most of the time, they do just fine and the changes they make follow rather than prescribe usage.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||January 28, 2023 3:20 PM|
^^^^^ to far should be too far.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||January 28, 2023 3:21 PM|
"People who identify as French."
Actually, I think it would be "people who were assigned French at birth."
|by Anonymous||reply 61||January 28, 2023 3:27 PM|
"The snail eaters" does have a better ring to it.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||January 28, 2023 3:52 PM|
an' wot abo(u)t el Spanish?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||January 28, 2023 4:02 PM|
R34, that brought back memories of when I worked in city government back in the 2000s and had to work with the prickly director of the Dept on Disability. He bristled when someone incorrectly used the term "the handicapped." "They are not 'THE handicapped!'" he admonished. "They are 'people or persons who are differently abled!'" One co-worker innocently described an incoming guest as "wheelchair-bound" and got the director hot under the collar. "He is not BOUND to anything! He is a PERSON in a wheelchair! You all need sensitivity training and training in person-first language!!!" We all learned not to say too much around him lest he chew us out for the slightest linguistic faux pas.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||January 28, 2023 4:33 PM|
Can't you aging fucks see the distinction between "people-first" language and cartoonish overly correct nonsense? Do you have to be offended by everything? The AP is a little off with their use of "The French" as a semi-slur, but the rest of it is reasonable. It doesn't always make sense to put the word "people/person" in front of the proper noun, but it should be in there somewhere. Or you can just be specific/simple.
The handicapped = People with disabilities, wheelchair users, people with a visual impairment, etc.
The homosexuals = Gays and lesbians, the LGBT community, people who roast rumps, etc.
The elderly = Older adults, people of high-waisted pants, humans of advanced age and vocal complaints, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||January 28, 2023 5:22 PM|
The important part - which you all are missing here, in your outrage - is to remember that you're talking about PEOPLE and not animals or inanimate objects.
It's not "The Gays." It's a bunch of humans who happen to like the cock.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||January 28, 2023 5:24 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 67||January 28, 2023 5:24 PM|
the Andrews Sisters
|by Anonymous||reply 68||January 28, 2023 5:25 PM|
[quote]Do you have to be offended by everything?
Pretty funny coming from a perpetually offended zoomer.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||January 28, 2023 5:36 PM|
The point, R59, is that words put in place years ago to replace older words that are deemed insulting, are, in turn, deemed insulting by the next generation.
“The terms mental retardation and mentally retarded became popular in the middle of the 20th century to replace the previous set of terms, which included "imbecile", "idiot", "feeble-minded", and "moron", among others, and are now considered offensive.”
|by Anonymous||reply 70||January 28, 2023 7:15 PM|
R56- I think love you.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||January 28, 2023 7:21 PM|
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|by Anonymous||reply 72||January 29, 2023 6:28 PM|
R71, Long time?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||January 29, 2023 8:50 PM|
Promises, promises R73
|by Anonymous||reply 74||January 30, 2023 2:40 PM|
Love you too, R71!
|by Anonymous||reply 75||January 30, 2023 2:50 PM|