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AP updates it’s style for “the” labels

What does the AP have against The French?!?

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by Anonymousreply 75January 30, 2023 2:50 PM

The French know what they did.

by Anonymousreply 1January 27, 2023 1:50 AM

Can we still say The DataLounge?

by Anonymousreply 2January 27, 2023 1:50 AM

Woke is ruining everything.

by Anonymousreply 3January 27, 2023 1:53 AM

People who stink.

by Anonymousreply 4January 27, 2023 1:54 AM


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by Anonymousreply 5January 27, 2023 1:56 AM

Thank you, THE Associated Press!

by Anonymousreply 6January 27, 2023 1:57 AM

The stupid.

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by Anonymousreply 7January 27, 2023 1:57 AM

r7 Please ignore Kristen she's clearly part French. Or overly fond of Brie to be polite.

by Anonymousreply 8January 27, 2023 2:00 AM

So the people of France….

No wait - the French people…

Ugh. Still that pesky, dehumanizing “the.”

Ok, Frogs!

by Anonymousreply 9January 27, 2023 2:03 AM

What do you have against the correct use of apostrophes, OP?

by Anonymousreply 10January 27, 2023 2:06 AM

[quote] AP updates it’s style

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 11January 27, 2023 2:09 AM

They're not wrong. I lived in Europe for six years. Whenever anyone used the phrase "the Americans", it was a sure sign that Yankee stereotypes were incoming.

by Anonymousreply 12January 27, 2023 2:18 AM

The Facebook, the Ukraine, the dementia, the COVID…

by Anonymousreply 13January 27, 2023 2:24 AM

So the AP Board is advocating for wordiness over succinctness

by Anonymousreply 14January 27, 2023 2:33 AM

The diabeetus?

by Anonymousreply 15January 27, 2023 2:37 AM

That seems sensible.

by Anonymousreply 16January 27, 2023 2:44 AM

The gays, they die of the AIDS.

by Anonymousreply 17January 27, 2023 2:50 AM

They want us to say/write - "people who are French" ?


by Anonymousreply 18January 27, 2023 2:52 AM

People who JUST HAPPEN TO BE French.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

by Anonymousreply 19January 27, 2023 3:04 AM

French people?

by Anonymousreply 20January 27, 2023 3:14 AM

People who identify as French.

by Anonymousreply 21January 27, 2023 4:37 AM

People of the land known as France.

Or is it?

by Anonymousreply 22January 27, 2023 6:05 AM

Finally! No "The"!

by Anonymousreply 23January 27, 2023 6:08 AM

[quote] We recommend avoiding general and often dehumanizing “the” labels

I guess the folks at Sixt rent-a-car didn't get the message.

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by Anonymousreply 24January 27, 2023 6:31 AM

Instead of “the French”, say “people who surrender”.

by Anonymousreply 25January 27, 2023 8:45 AM

Well played R25, I chuckled.

by Anonymousreply 26January 27, 2023 9:14 AM

The sugars, r15

by Anonymousreply 27January 27, 2023 9:45 AM

Oh, ffs.

by Anonymousreply 28January 27, 2023 10:05 AM

From Wikipedia: People-first language is a type of linguistic prescription. It aims to avoid perceived and subconscious dehumanization when discussing people with disabilities and is sometimes referred to (for example, by NHS England's style guide) as a type of disability etiquette. People-first language can also be applied to any group that is defined by a condition rather than as a people: for example, "those that are homeless" rather than "the homeless."

Actually, the preferred term is unhoused people.

Also, "it's" is a contraction for "it is," OP..

by Anonymousreply 29January 27, 2023 10:26 AM

Freedom people instead French

by Anonymousreply 30January 27, 2023 10:32 AM

Not sure what R12 means. The only English-speaking Europeans are the Brits and Irish and if they were bitching about Americans, they would just say 'Americans', not 'the Americans'.

by Anonymousreply 31January 27, 2023 10:40 AM

Brits call it THE menopause, like the idiots they are.

by Anonymousreply 32January 27, 2023 11:05 AM

Incredibly dumb and embarrassing for THE AP.

by Anonymousreply 33January 27, 2023 11:20 AM

About people with disabilities---or is that people who are differently able?

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by Anonymousreply 34January 27, 2023 12:26 PM

guidelines are for the retarded.

by Anonymousreply 35January 27, 2023 12:32 PM

The The

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by Anonymousreply 36January 27, 2023 12:39 PM

They backtracked.

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by Anonymousreply 37January 28, 2023 4:32 AM

The only ones I understand are the ones that are stigmatizing, such as "the homeless." There's nothing dehumanizing about referring to the citizens of a country as "the French." There's no stigma associated with a college education. Honestly, this policy sounds like it was written by a college freshman who misunderstood what a stigma is.

by Anonymousreply 38January 28, 2023 4:35 AM

People afflicted by frenchness.

by Anonymousreply 39January 28, 2023 5:37 AM

[quote] They backtracked.

Backtracked how? They just doubled-down.

by Anonymousreply 40January 28, 2023 6:10 AM

[quote] The only ones I understand are the ones that are stigmatizing, such as "the homeless."

So we should make it sound like no big deal? Jesus Christ. This is lunacy. These agencies are nothing more than propaganda machines.

by Anonymousreply 41January 28, 2023 6:11 AM

I think it makes sense.

Would “the gays” be okay?

by Anonymousreply 42January 28, 2023 6:26 AM

Everyone so butthurt these days.

The term 'homeless' has been replaced with 'people without homes'- cause that's really going to solve the problem.

by Anonymousreply 43January 28, 2023 6:47 AM

R42 Why don’t you ask us? We’re right here on DL.

by Anonymousreply 44January 28, 2023 6:48 AM

Languages are precise and they don't care what the AP thinks, nor should you.

by Anonymousreply 45January 28, 2023 6:52 AM

French people and NEVER French... ugh... "folks".


by Anonymousreply 46January 28, 2023 7:08 AM

[quote]Languages are precise and they don't care what the AP thinks, nor should you.

I'm a copy editor; I have to care what they think. They've been ridiculous lately.

by Anonymousreply 47January 28, 2023 9:18 AM

“People suffering from Frenchness” is the consensus alternative.

by Anonymousreply 48January 28, 2023 9:50 AM

Who writes these “updates” to the AP Stylebook? Seriously. I want their names and their ages.

by Anonymousreply 49January 28, 2023 10:20 AM

[quote] Languages are precise and they don't care what the AP thinks, nor should you.

The woke mob says otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 50January 28, 2023 10:23 AM

Remember when they said that black has to be capitalized now? They twisted themselves into pretzels trying to explain that one, too.

by Anonymousreply 51January 28, 2023 10:24 AM

We don’t believe in labels.

by Anonymousreply 52January 28, 2023 10:49 AM

When translating into French will all the Le, La and L’ also now be removed?

by Anonymousreply 53January 28, 2023 11:29 AM

R50, That's "a mob that is woke" to you!

The intentions, paving the way to writing style Hell, are good, I think. That a human being not be implicitly defined by a limitation---autistic boy; handicapped girl; disabled woman; homeless man---but rather as a person first---boy with autism; etc.---is almost noble.

But when "limitations" are expanded to "any adjective under the sun," then writing descriptions becomes an exercise in absurdity.

Sally Who is Long and Tall.

Joe Biden who is President.

Harry, a Prince.

by Anonymousreply 54January 28, 2023 11:40 AM

[quote] So we should make it sound like no big deal? Jesus Christ. This is lunacy. These agencies are nothing more than propaganda machines.

Yes, I am saying that because I understand where they're coming from, homelessness is not a big deal. I'm glad you were able to pick up on that. You seem very smart!

by Anonymousreply 55January 28, 2023 12:09 PM

Please use "ze French, hon hon hon."

by Anonymousreply 56January 28, 2023 12:52 PM

"French people and NEVER French... ugh... 'folks'"

Of course not, silly; it's "French folques".

by Anonymousreply 57January 28, 2023 1:04 PM

Before they were the Homeless they were Bowery Bums. Perhaps we should go back to Hobo & Tramp.

Mentally Retarded replaced the older “cruel” clinical terms Idiot, Moron and Imbecile - which now don’t sound as bad.

We can’t solve unpleasant realities so we just scapegoat slightly dated euphemisms.

by Anonymousreply 58January 28, 2023 2:05 PM

Developmentally disabled replaced mentally retarded a long time ago. In fact, mentally retarded, which is an insult, is offensive.

I had a boss openly mock sensitivity training on language issues and ask, "Why should we use these terms?" The response was "Because they are part of we, and they matter as much as you do." Great moments in the public humiliation of an asshole boss.

The AP screwed up and took People First one step to far to include a nonstigmatized group. So they messed up. Most of the time, they do just fine and the changes they make follow rather than prescribe usage.

by Anonymousreply 59January 28, 2023 3:20 PM

^^^^^ to far should be too far.

by Anonymousreply 60January 28, 2023 3:21 PM

"People who identify as French."

Actually, I think it would be "people who were assigned French at birth."

by Anonymousreply 61January 28, 2023 3:27 PM

"The snail eaters" does have a better ring to it.

by Anonymousreply 62January 28, 2023 3:52 PM

an' wot abo(u)t el Spanish?

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by Anonymousreply 63January 28, 2023 4:02 PM

R34, that brought back memories of when I worked in city government back in the 2000s and had to work with the prickly director of the Dept on Disability. He bristled when someone incorrectly used the term "the handicapped." "They are not 'THE handicapped!'" he admonished. "They are 'people or persons who are differently abled!'" One co-worker innocently described an incoming guest as "wheelchair-bound" and got the director hot under the collar. "He is not BOUND to anything! He is a PERSON in a wheelchair! You all need sensitivity training and training in person-first language!!!" We all learned not to say too much around him lest he chew us out for the slightest linguistic faux pas.

by Anonymousreply 64January 28, 2023 4:33 PM

Can't you aging fucks see the distinction between "people-first" language and cartoonish overly correct nonsense? Do you have to be offended by everything? The AP is a little off with their use of "The French" as a semi-slur, but the rest of it is reasonable. It doesn't always make sense to put the word "people/person" in front of the proper noun, but it should be in there somewhere. Or you can just be specific/simple.


The handicapped = People with disabilities, wheelchair users, people with a visual impairment, etc.

The homosexuals = Gays and lesbians, the LGBT community, people who roast rumps, etc.

The elderly = Older adults, people of high-waisted pants, humans of advanced age and vocal complaints, etc.

by Anonymousreply 65January 28, 2023 5:22 PM

The important part - which you all are missing here, in your outrage - is to remember that you're talking about PEOPLE and not animals or inanimate objects.

It's not "The Gays." It's a bunch of humans who happen to like the cock.

by Anonymousreply 66January 28, 2023 5:24 PM

Mr. French

by Anonymousreply 67January 28, 2023 5:24 PM

the Andrews Sisters

by Anonymousreply 68January 28, 2023 5:25 PM

[quote]Do you have to be offended by everything?

Pretty funny coming from a perpetually offended zoomer.

by Anonymousreply 69January 28, 2023 5:36 PM

The point, R59, is that words put in place years ago to replace older words that are deemed insulting, are, in turn, deemed insulting by the next generation.

“The terms mental retardation and mentally retarded became popular in the middle of the 20th century to replace the previous set of terms, which included "imbecile", "idiot", "feeble-minded", and "moron", among others, and are now considered offensive.”

by Anonymousreply 70January 28, 2023 7:15 PM

R56- I think love you.

by Anonymousreply 71January 28, 2023 7:21 PM

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by Anonymousreply 72January 29, 2023 6:28 PM

R71, Long time?

by Anonymousreply 73January 29, 2023 8:50 PM

Promises, promises R73

by Anonymousreply 74January 30, 2023 2:40 PM

Love you too, R71!

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