Financier who fatally plunged from NYC rooftop bar ID’d as Connecticut dad of 3

Any armchair diagnoses of what precipitated his suicide?

Handsome! There should be a day of mourning on The DL.

Here's a more recent picture of the 46 year old.

[quote] Handsome like a Ken doll.

Not anymore.

Oh please R1, you know he was guilty of fraud or stealing from his clients or the SEC was coming after him. Does it really matter? All these little privileged white straight finance boys collapse like a bad soufflé the moment they’re called out on their bullshit.

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R1 - I'm guessing impending major embezzlement charges, where he would be looking at the rest of his lfe in Hotel Fed Pen, or scandalous, gay love affair which is boyfirend is blackmailing him.

He founded his business in Darien? How VERY. Did he step on a ping pong ball or something?

Maybe he was very depressed. Maybe he got a terminal diagnosis. Maybe he was on drugs. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

His wife filed for divorce recently

Divorce. Probably knew his wife would clean him out and keep the kids.

He had a hot portfolio but couldn’t live forever.

I wonder if he’d done this before.

R5, you type old, fat and bitter.

Dale Cheney? Of the Darien Cheneys?

He looks like the actor from Ghosts. 😲

R10- The Dailey Fail is saying he filed for divorce from his wife a few days ago.

Anyways, I do wish these financial types would be more considerate. Every time an investor leaps insouciantly from a midtown high rise, it affects the walking commute across town of hundreds of people by at least 10 minutes.

*Daily Fail

I always feel for the kids in these things.

Lost my dad when I was 5; cancer sucks!

Being gay and wanting a dad merged and I got stuck. If I were a hot 25 year old blonde female, I'd have no problem finding a daddy type in his 40s and society wouldn't blink.

Alas, I haven't been that lucky.

I wish these guys would think of their kids.

1) NYPost mentions his sprawling "apartment" in Darien and further down shows the HOUSE. Shitty writing.

2) Who kills himself the day after filing for divorce, which is usually an optimistic "I have control" move?

3) Looks gayish - like George Clooney straight looking gay - in the "recent" pic.

4) He could have held on for his kids a couple of years. Very selfish.

5) Didn't someone jump off that building from that same bar, last year?

[quote]Divorce. Probably knew his wife would clean him out and keep the kids.

According to the article, his kids re in their late teens and early twenties.

Yes, r21. She’s mentioned in OP’s link.

George Santos needs to be introduced to Bar 54.

R3- He looks quite GAY in your photo

Yeah he looks gay and not even particularly douchebaggy or untrustworthy. He looks very pleasant in that pic.

Oh well. RIP

Men don't kill themselves over a divorce, even if it means financial ruin. A finance guy like him would bounce back from a divorce-driven fleecing.

Men kill themselves when a big scandal is about to erupt and/or some malfeasance is about to be exposed.

[quote]Cheney founded T-street Capital in 2013 in Darien, Connecticut, about 40 miles northeast of Manhattan, according to public records.

An Aryan from Darien!

Why did such hot snatch have to kill such hot snatch?

Was he wearing a jockstrap?

Any pics of his kids. I wonder if they are hot like daddy.

Judging by the recent pic he couldn't deal with those crows' feet.

That was a lot of crows' feet for a 46-year-old.

[quote]I wish these guys would think of their kids.

You watch your stupid mouth!

A murder of crow’s feet

Good job he didn't take anyone out when he landed.

That's one hell of a drop. That wasn't a cry for help that was I'm going and I'm not coming BACK!

DL EMTs, what's the splatter factor on a drop like that?

I always feel bad for people that do this because half way down they wish they hadn't done it. (according to those that have survived such things)

If we knew why there was going to be a divorce it would probably answer most of the questions as to why

I agree with R27. Financial shenanigans or something similar were about to be exposed.

Always interesting how some people seemingly have it all and are so unhappy and depressed. This guy had a life that most people would envy but he hated himself.

He actually looks better in the recent photo. The crows feet are fine.

Why couldn't he go into the Connecticut woods and shoot himself? He traumatized so many people with this public display.

Recently divorced ? That means gay love affair he didn't want anyone knowing about, but the twink in his office was coming forward.

Did his HAF twink lover graduate from "Hot Kiss" and Yale?

Honestly, these days r43 I'm just glad he didn't shoot up the place and then shoot himself. Taking your own life, and only your own life, instead of killing a bunch of strangers for some fucking imaginary grievance is actually kind of thoughtful. Almost quaint.

It is my lucky day, for I have achieved a first for me on DL. I get to say those iconic words, "But what was on his iPod?"

Sorry, honey. They don’t make iPods anymore.

I feel for the pedestrians on the sidewalk who saw him splatter at 6:30 PM on a Wednesday. That would stick with you for a long time. It's quite a selfish act, as he could have killed people below.

^ LOL. Bitch.

R50 was for R48. xo.

he lost everything, so he jumped. he isn't the first and won't be the last. many men in finance jump off buildings...quite common actually

[quote]Anyways,

Oh, DEAR!

"Suspected suicide"?

Why not 'suspected Russians'?

What an attention whore

You can bet his clients are frantically calling his firm to check on their account balances.

At this rate you'd think the bar would have a commemorative drink. The Bar 52 Plunge or something.

52 is a total dive bar.

My son!

He could of jumped into my bed

[quote] Why couldn't he go into the Connecticut woods and shoot himself? He traumatized so many people with this public display.

Pathological narcissist, like every other finance bro.

Anti-vaxer

R60 Oh dear!

[quote] Men kill themselves when a big scandal is about to erupt and/or some malfeasance is about to be exposed.

Men also Jill themselves due to mental illness.

Good looking guy. I cannot imagine the internal conflict that would drive someone to commit suicide. It must be horrible.

And size meat verificatia?

[quote] Men kill themselves when a big scandal is about to erupt and/or some malfeasance is about to be exposed.

This sounds like the most likely issue - money.

Either he did a Madoff kind of thing, or the expensive house and life were far beyond his means. The divorce may have been an escape he thought would work, but it could be that he realized that with alimony and his financial issues he'd have nothing.

Sad, sad, sad.

Jumping off a very tall building seems like a horrible way to kill yourself. As someone upthread said, I’d imagine you’d instantly regret it once you’re in the air. Then all the stuff that goes through your mind as you fall, including the fast approaching concrete.

Agreed R69.

Maybe he was part Russian they're always jumping off tall buildings I hear.

I don't know that money or a club fed visit prompted this. He either had behavioral health issues coupled with a terminal diagnosis or a major felony, possibly something involving young women/men or possible illicit child content discovered on a computer.

A guy this young divorcing isn't surprising. In CT alimony is kept quite tight by the courts and if she worked there's a chance she'd only be getting child support. CT isn't the state you want to divorce in. But he'd find a gorgeous, smart, younger woman, hell, he could've been a murderer and on looks alone women would still be throwing themselves at him.

This is more than a divorce and financial acrimony.

^ Everything but the kitchen sink!

R72’s story had everything but the bloodhounds nippin’ at his heels!

Maybe he was drunk and didn't realize what he was doing ?

My friend’s brother in law shot himself in the head a few days after Christmas. The house was filled with family (including his children and his 87 year old mother). He was 54. My friend was the one who found him upstairs after the shot was heard. He said he had never seen so much blood in his life. No one knows why.

[quote]He said he had never seen so much blood in his life. No one knows why.

Probably the bullet wound.

Head wounds do tend to bleed a lot.

That kind of desperation is scary.

Money, scandel, divorce, illness etc...whatever... Someone who does that is mentally ill.

What did he know?

Do I need to diversify my portfolio?

Should I consider investing in precious metals?

Does anyone know a good bullion dealer?

[R80] Yes, this is true. But they are 'normal' enough to leave a suicide note on a yellow post-it-note, asking that her daughter be kept away from her funeral because the daughter is mentally ill. That takes cajones the size of Texas.

Rough calculation of the physics.

Speed at impact: 48.50 m/s or 174.59 km/h or 108 miles mph

Time until impact: 4.95 s

Energy at impact: 105840.00 joules

I feel bad for his kids, and the people who witnessed it. Also glad that no one else got hurt. Unless it was some kind of psychotic break, and he wasn't really aware of what he was doing, jumping off of midtown building at 6:30 p.m. on a Wednesday night is just fucking selfish.

Fuck the people who saw him do this.

Ever think about how I feel?

I believe a fall at that height means the human body is like an overripe watermelon when it hits the ground. Just a big giant puddle with some chunks in it.

I agree with the other posters about how selfish it is to do this where people can witness it and be traumatized for the rest of their lives. A friend of mine once saw a woman get hit by a car, her head cracked open and her brains were all over the street. He still has nightmares about it and this happened many, many years ago.

R83 Thanks for the physics.

You would not want to be under him when he landed.

Do people in their right mind jump off of buildings? That’s REALLY extreme.

[quote]Men also Jill themselves

Does it involve a bucket and a hill?

He looked hotter in the most recent photo.

[quote] fatally plunged from NYC rooftop bar

Died of natural causes

No, he died of Covid.

Did he close out his tab before leaving?

R1, silly- many possible reasons, and the divorce filing part of the whole. But we can’t know.

There really should be consideration of suicide decks on buildings that are well-designed and have landing areas that will not impact traffic or pedestrians.

It's sad when there's no warning so people don't get the thrill of yelling, "Jump!"

Well, at least he passed on his genes for good looks before he made the dive.

R95 Just a flat place to catch all the suicidal bankers before they hit the sidewalk? Who's cleaning that up? Will it have bullseyes painted on it?

Are they sure he jumped? He had just filed for divorce from his wife recently.

R99 - his wife filed

R49, Especially if they were wearing white.

[quote]Did he close out his tab before leaving?

They close it out for you and add a 20% tip.

Selfish fuck! 45th street is heavily-trafficked it is a miracle he didn't kill someone when he splashed down.

[quote]OP: Handsome like a Ken doll.

A tragedy.

R103, Hey, it happens.

What is the terminal velocity of an investment banker?

Zero.

4.95 seconds doesn’t leave a lot of time for second thoughts.

It probably feels like half an hour.

R88 my friend’s mother was having lunch out with friends, excused herself from the table to go to the restroom and went to the top floor of the parking garage and jumped. Her friends said she seemed perfectly normal at lunch. You just never know what’s going on in someone else’s head.

if you saw that, you would have nightmares.

My brother saw something similar, he saw a man jump in front of the subway and the mess afterwards. He couldn't eat for 2 weeks.

Wow! The subway diet, R111

He was distraught that he wasn't able to book a table at HAGS for Valentines Day.

At least he didn't do it at Disneyland.

[quote]Financier who fatally plunged from NYC rooftop bar

Times Square will do that to a person.

I heard there's a fair amount of plunging in the back men's room at Club 54 (aka "NYC rooftop bar"). But nothing to die over.

Law enforcement sources told The Post that police were called to his former Upper East Side home twice in 2008 over domestic disputes with his wife. One of the arguments was over finances.

Final score: Pig 0 Whore 1

R59, Icarus WAS the son. Did you mean to sign yourself "Daedalus"?

A high earner who fights with his wife and projects a perfect exterior? This guy was already a Law & Order archetype. If he didn’t leap, he’d have pushed her or he’d be a secret serial killer or something. It’s always something.

[quote]Police said Cheney's death appears to be a suspected suicided, but said the Office of the Medical Examiner will officially determine the cause of death. The New York medical examiner has not responded about whether Cheney's autopsy has been completed.

[quote][bold]Cheney was facing two misdemeanor criminal charges stemming from a domestic incident at his Old Stamford Road home on Jan. 16, records show.[/bold]

[quote]New Canaan police said they were called to Cheney's home around 3:40 p.m. that day for a domestic dispute. Police said the dispute involved "Cheney and another occupant of the residence."

[quote]A police report describing the incident was not immediately available on Friday. But a brief summary of the incident provided by police said [bold]Cheney was charged with fourth-degree criminal mischief and disorderly conduct. He was released on $25,000 bond[/bold] and did not enter a plea when he appeared in state Superior Court in Stamford the next day, records show.

[quote]Stamford court records show Cheney's wife obtained a restraining order the day after his arrest.

[...]

[quote]Records show [bold]Cheney filed for divorce from his wife on Jan. 23, two days before he was found dead[/bold] in New York City.

[quote]Cheney's death appears to be a suspected [bold]suicided[/bold]

"Suicided"

I know it's a typo but what it's not?

SPLAT!!

[quote]Why couldn't he go into the Connecticut woods and shoot himself? He traumatized so many people with this public display.

R43, maybe he had to do it before he lost his nerve. Or, maybe he did it publicly so people would know he was dead. People disappear all the time, there is no guarantee someone would find his body in the woods or another remote location. Some life insurance policies cover suicide, given his financial situation it sounds like his wife and kids could use the money, it’s a backward way of thinking but someone who jumps off a rooftop isn’t in their right mind.

[quote]He actually looks better in the recent photo. The crows feet are fine.

Agreed, R42.

My boyfriend knew a guy who called his wife and law enforcement from a location just a few feet off a rural road but not close enough to be seen by anybody in a passing car.

It had a familiar marker so they knew where to find him. He told them where he would be.

He took out a gun and shot himself to death.

No "look at me". No ruining anybody's day, not even his wife's.

My boyfriend said he heard from mutual friends that the guy had been diagnosed with cancer and was only expected to live another 6 months and that his wife knew he may have been thinking about going sooner rather than later.

If he was solid MAGA, perhaps he was still distraught over the passing of Diamond of Diamond & Silk.

I wonder if he was on LSD or shrooms and thought he could fly?

Close friends are saying he was very upset over the Oscar nominations.

Well, who could blame him? I mean really.

Maybe he didn't want to live in a world that no longer had Lisa Marie Presley.

He should have started an Onlyfans page. So many gays would have subscribed to this hot daddy.

R129 You're terrible, Muriel. Come sit by me.

[quote][R1] - I'm guessing impending major embezzlement charges, where he would be looking at the rest of his lfe in Hotel Fed Pen, or scandalous, gay love affair which is boyfirend is blackmailing him.

Either white collar crime or the wife was cheating and going to take everything in the divorce. She filed for divorce, and he was going to have to fund her and her affair partner's lifestyle.

[quote]Law enforcement sources told The Post that police were called to his former Upper East Side home twice in 2008 over domestic disputes with his wife. One of the arguments was over finances.

From R120:

[quote]Cheney was facing two misdemeanor criminal charges stemming from a domestic incident at his Old Stamford Road home on Jan. 16, records show.

[...]

[quote]a brief summary of the incident provided by police said [bold]Cheney was charged with fourth-degree criminal mischief and disorderly conduct.[/bold]

[...]

[quote]Records show [bold]Cheney filed for divorce from his wife[/bold] on Jan. 23, two days before he was found dead in New York City.

R132 that's not how alimony works though. Cheating would null that and they can only pay under specific circumstances -- depending on state, you have to be married a minimum of so many years, they go by income of spouse, so if they work, that's accounted for, etc. I'm not sure where this idea came from that being married automatically grants alimony, let alone a high alimony.

I'm NYS you must be married a minimum of 10 years and you still have to justify receiving alimony, especially if there's no children or the children are legal adults. They also cap how long you get it. I could only see it being justified for a spouse that gave up a career to raise children for 18 yrs and has no decent income, so they aren't left homeless.

"For marriages from 0 to 15 years, it is 15-30% of the duration of the marriage. If you've got a 10-year marriage, it would be 1.5 to 3 years of maintenance. If you have a 15-20-year marriage, it is 30-40% of the duration of the marriage. And more than 20 years, it is 35-50% of the duration of the marriage.".

They also account for splitting assets, like the house. I know plenty of divorced women that didn't get shit if they 1) had a job 2) weren't married for a long time 3) recieved a lot from assets. Again, it's only to prevent a spouse from being immediately fucked financially if the relationship was with the mutually understanding one doesn't make much (say a wife that does everything, cooks, cleans, etc., Which allows a husband to be a more successful breadwinner.)

Point is; if men are killing themselves over paranoia with alimony, they should probably look into it before jumping, instead of believing internet gossip that every divorce leads to financial ruin.

[quote]Connecticut banker, 46, jumps to his death from NYC rooftop bar

Think of all the people who, hoping to somehow save their own lives, were horrifically forced to finally jump to their deaths on 9/11. Such people in such moments would never understand someone deliberately doing it. Nor do I.

Suicide is so strange.

[quote]R9 Maybe he was very depressed. Maybe he got a terminal diagnosis. Maybe he was on drugs. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Maybe it was a sham marriage!

[quote]R88 Do people in their right mind jump off of buildings? That’s REALLY extreme.

Well, it doesn’t require a gun, pills, or elaborate pre-planning. It’s thorough - for when you don’t want to be revived.

Has the wife started a GoFundMe?

[quote]Well, it doesn’t require a gun, pills, or elaborate pre-planning. It’s thorough - for when you don’t want to be revived.

It definitely can't be categorized as a "cry for help."

Were his last words along the lines of, "I'm doing this for you, Damien."

R138, Think of it as parachuting without a parachute.

It always amazes me the jumpers don't inadvertently kill people on the ground by landing on them. Do the people on the ground hear a scream? Is there enough time to get out of the way?

R143, Shit happens.

R144 Everything but the pot of geraniums falling from Kitty's apartment!

Hotel jumping is common to certain locations although rarely publicized because that would tarnish the brand name. I heard of one at DFW airport has an average of one a week. Hotel employees refer to them as "jumpers".

Suicide is often impulsive.

The Marriott Marquis in Times Square had to redesign its interior because so many guests were jumping to their deaths inside the building.

Of course R118......no more posting after vodka time. I should remember my own rule.

We had a building in the city I lived in where people would jump off of. The only problem was that below was a hotel. One day a guy with money troubles jumped and went straight through the roof of the hotel onto the ballroom floor, whilst there was a wedding reception on!

R14 Uh huh. And if you're young, hot, and happy, you're not on DL.

[qupte] I wonder if he was on LSD or shrooms and thought he could fly?

Maybe he was reenacting his favorite TV movie film with Helen Hunt to the delight of his dining guests, but chose the wrong place to do it.

R150 Very à propos. "In the midst of life, we are in death."

R150, That’s a true wedding crasher.

Lol. You guys!

None of the WASPs in finance seem happy despite having it all. He does give closet case vibes, hooking up with guys on Grindr or Sniffies and then drinking away the guilt. His wife probably found out and got sick of it and filed for divorce.

R156, HE FILED!!!

Christ, those poor kids. My dad died when I was 5 and every time something came up -- father's day, father/son pancake breakfasts, teachers asking what does your dad do for a living -- I just wanted to fucking die.

Don't have kids if you're not in it for the long haul.

JFC.

R148 Several Marriott Marquis properties (Times Square and Atlanta, especially) are known for their massive interior atria.

In the 1970s and 1980s, Hyatt did the same with many of its landmark Regency hotels. The Hyatt Regencies in Houston, Dallas, San Francisco, Atlanta, and other cities all have massive atrium features that are both striking and unsettling to modern-day visitors. The Hyatt Regency in Kansas City (since sold) had a famous atrium with walkways suspended over the lobby floor. They collapsed during a tea dance in 1981, killing over a hundred people and putting a real damper on the whole "Logan's Run" indoor aesthetic.

R159, here's a good history of that event.

Gay/Bi

Look at the fabric flair in his gray hair picture

[quote]None of the WASPs in finance seem happy despite having it all.

Nobody in finance PERIOD seems happy, regardless of their ethnicity. It's a high pressure, cutthroat business full of people with severe personality disorders.

I think he wanted to “show her.”

R156 I was wondering how long it would be before someone suggested that he was gay.

Fag!

From the article at R144: "Arlene Francis, once the star of stage, movies, radio, and later on TV, is mostly forgotten today."

Obviously this wasn't written by a DL-er.

R166, And not just because she starred in the legitimate theatre.

yet Keanu still walks among us....

[quote]Do the people on the ground hear a scream? Is there enough time to get out of the way?

Perhaps the jumper should yell, "HEADS UP!"

At this point, people walking by that hotel are on notice.

They're going to have to do something about that open balcony or they'll get even more suicides.

Perhaps a tactful “Please do not jump” sign?

He's so gay, my God! If we were in the early seasons of Will & Grace, he would have been the successful, handsome guy Will crushes on, only to have to renounce him when he finds out how closeted he still is.

why do some these hot daddies let women get to them this much? just find a gay hoe to make you happy!

He sure is handsome @r3, but gay men don't have a habit of repeated violence against their wives. I'm betting that he was involved with a major financial scandal and was paying for prep school and Ivy League tuition for his FIVE kids, and household staff, in addition to the wife's spending habit. Both parents probably narcissists. Poor rich kids - but not rich anymore.

He had FIVE kids!?

[quote]He had FIVE kids!?

Obviously he was over-compensating for the fact that he was gay.

[quote]Any armchair diagnoses of what precipitated his suicide?

It wasn't raining. I remember because my bus was late that night.

[quote]Any armchair diagnoses of what precipitated his suicide?

Precipitated?

As in his rendition of "raining men"?

It’s Raining Men should’ve been the thread title.

R174, isn’t that like saying, “Why do some of these hot gay daddies let men get to them this much? Just find a nice girl to make you happy!”

Except "It's Raining Man" sounds like something you put "Burning Man" out with.

Pardon my English, please.

There's a three level mall in my city which opened 25 years ago. A friend of mine was an undercover cop in the mall, who mingled in with security for the first twenty years. (Security could not arrest anyone for any crime, but he could). Anyhow, he had told me no one would believe the number of suicides which happened at that mall on a regular basis, since the press would not report it and give bad press to the mall. Most of them happened late at night, when the multiplex theater was still open, but all the stores were closed - so many jumpers from the third floor. Aside from that, so many ODs in the restrooms - in the common areas and the department stores. It was rather shocking.

Five kids? Isn't that kind of un-WASPy?

R163 nails it. Since this suicide happened during a divorce involving spousal abuse, the suicide was likely another type of abuse to the surviving spouse--a kind of well, you think you're moving on and getting on with life, "I'll show you." Essentially, in killing himself, he was attempting to punish her by hurting her and the children and to imply he was the one in the most pain and therefore not the abusive one. Sick thinking, but some suicides are spiteful, attempting to damage family.

[quote]Hotel employees refer to them as "jumpers".

Gee, how original. I wonder how they ever came up with that name.

[quote](Security could not arrest anyone for any crime, but he could).

Off topic, but anyone in the US can arrest another person, regardless of their profession. It’s called a citizen’s arrest.

I’m convinced a long, slow, deep rimming might have made him think twice about taking a header.

Image is the most important thing to these types of people. Having control and projecting an aura of perfection and superiority. Once that illusion is shattered in the case of a divorce or big scandal coming out. Suicide becomes very attractive and a sign of getting the last laugh. And many of these WASPy types are not that wealthy anymore but a dying class that insist on riding off their name and living beyond their means.

R185, that is a good description of a suicide I heard about.

Hmm... he was really quite handsome.

Oh, well.

R184 His last name is Cheney and he's from New Canaan, Connecticut and his career and alpha meter (Harvard) just screams New England WASP. He even has the stereotypical look. His wife I don't know. It's a dying class and many marry outside now. He likely was living beyond his means. Also many men get off on having many kids to prove their virility. His suicide seemed spiteful.

[quote]And many of these WASPy types are not that wealthy anymore but a dying class that insist on riding off their name and living beyond their means.

Dear god here we go with DLs WASP fantasy world. WASPs in 2023 are just "white people" now. The "WASP culture" you worship is pretty much extinct except for some old people. Darien CT hasn't been "WASP" in at least two generations. Lots of white ethnics, Jews and Asians. FFS the first selectman (mayor) of Greenwich is Italian.

This man worked in finance, he wasn't some blue blooded trust fund type. He was most likely working rich and had no generational $$$$.

[quote]his career and alpha meter (Harvard)

His what now?

[quote]His last name is Cheney and he's from New Canaan, Connecticut

I'm from CT and I've known working class people with the last name Cheney.

[quote]his career and alpha meter (Harvard)

r192, his alpha meter makes me moist!

The only violent boyfriends I've ever had were deeply closeted alpha types who could not handle the fact that they were gay. And pissed at me (and most other women) because we couldn't make them straight

R193 I've seen plenty of young people who embrace their WASPiness . They obviously aren't the ruling class anymore and haven't been since the 1960s (they got eclipsed by Gilded Age industrialists of various European ancestries and entrepreneurs and now hedge fund billionaires of all racial backgrounds). But their culture still exists even if it's fading away. Visit an Episcopalian or Anglican or Unitarian church or Ivy League. Wes Anderson and movies embody a lot of WASP ideals.

r198 there are lots of people who embrace that lifestyle. Come to CT and you'll see people from all sorts of backgrounds who live a pseudo-WASPy lifestyle but it isn't the same thing that DL thinks of.

R199 Good point. It makes sense when they controlled a lot of cultural values in that region that people of all backgrounds would appropriate it. But the funny thing is many WASPs wanted that anyway due to their history with local politics, social reforms and civil service.

that sounds right, R163.

A guy I knew killed himself and I think that was part of it. he wanted to show her.

He's fine. They had essential oils on site. Thank god for tea tree!

Other reports are saying he had three kids, not five, and they are all adults.

Buck never would have jumped from a bar on the 54th floor.

Did he have halitosis? That might explain it.

Arlene Francis playing herself, a talk show hostess, on ATWT in January 1986 with 'Simply' Barbara herself.

circa 10:45

This has been mentioned by multiple people in this thread but apparently it bears repeating:

[quote]Cheney’s death came one day after [bold]he filed for divorce[/bold] from his wife, Lauren Cheney, Connecticut court records show.

I wonder if he left a suicide note.

R208, I wonder if he paid his bar tab.

The reason he looks better, gayer, kinder in R3's photo is that it's A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GUY. That photo is from a defunct LinkedIn profile or connected with someone else. No other media outlets are using that photo because *it's not him*. They are all using the first photo only. Don't let the beard fool you. Look closer.

On the other hand, I think his wife is here:

The wife looks tightly wound

R212, Tight pussy?

Tightly wound - chronically tense, unable to relax, highly reactive

Sorry, "tightly wound" might be a regional expression.

Why don't the build an air chute from this bar's balcony to The Vessel, since they don't know what to do that since it turned into suicide central. And then they can install a blender in the center of the vessel. All the people who want to suicide can take a thrilling slide way over to the vessel and then be whipped into a mousse.

[quote]I wonder if he left a suicide note.

He did. Alas, it blew away.

It was only on a bar napkin. When it was found, it said something about not letting Wy at the funeral. *shrug*

My friend Julie's nephew works at one of those famous suicide hotels and the crazies who jump down the 50 story atrium are called "jumpers".

Major financial scandal, which would have sent him to prison. My guess. Notably, he bailed out himself, 2 weeks ago. He's got plenty of cash.

P.S. Is it 3 kids, or 5 kids? Two different claims.

Some of the comments from the post linked below

[quote]It’s psychological too. I know from this AMC play alone it hits you mentally. One can feel stupid and worthless and develop a bit of complex over it. Multiply that my millions or billions and include other peoples’ money and it’ll likely really hit a person hard.

[quote]Well it also can affect their family too. All the sudden you cant afford anything you’ve given them. I’m sure the Embarrassment and shear terror are over whelming.

[quote]Looks like he wasn’t too good during a bear market.

[quote]Thats why there were only 2 witnesses… they are needed to corroborate their story about how he “jumped”

[quote]Probably lost money for the wrong person.

[quote]the crazies who jump down the 50 story atrium are called "jumpers".

Very original.

Someone in the post at R219 mentioned the Bed Bath & Beyond CFO's September 2022 suicide:

[quote]Gustavo Arnal, the chief financial officer of the beleaguered retailer, jumped to his death from a high-rise apartment in Manhattan on Friday afternoon, a law enforcement source previously told CNN. The NYPD said in a statement Sunday that Arnal, 52, was found unconscious and unresponsive outside his luxury 57-story skyscraper in the neighborhood of Tribeca.

[quote]The law enforcement source told CNN on Sunday that Arnal's wife witnessed him jump. The source said while no suicide note was found, no criminality is suspected.

[...]

[quote]Arnal was named as a defendant in a class action lawsuit accusing him, Ryan Cohen and other large shareholders of engaging in a "pump and dump" scheme to artificially inflate the price of the company's stock. The lawsuit was filed last month in United States District Court for the District of Columbia.

I hadn't heard about this.

[quote]Notably, he bailed out himself, 2 weeks ago.

Not too notable. He was charged with a violation (DisCon) and a misdemeanor (Crim. Mis), so it was probably $25 or $50 stationhouse bail.

OMG the R152 clip had Christina Crawford in it. AKA Diana Scarwid.

Had he been sharing his Netflix password, was that the last straw?

[quote] Off topic, but anyone in the US can arrest another person, regardless of their profession. It’s called a citizen’s arrest.

A security guard can not put their hands on you, nor can they cuff you and arrest you. The most they can do is 'ask you to stay' until the cops get there. The perp can leave at any time. They are nothing more than a visual deterrent. They usually make minimum wage.

This is why so many places hire off-duty and undercover cops - they can actually put their hands on you and arrest you.

R211 of course his wife’s name is Lauren. Has anyone EVER met a Lauren who wasn’t a tightly-wound, uptight control freak?

R226, Excuse me?

[quote]A security guard can not put their hands on you, nor can they cuff you and arrest you. The most they can do is 'ask you to stay' until the cops get there. The perp can leave at any time. They are nothing more than a visual deterrent. They usually make minimum wage.

Everything about this post, every single word, is patently false.

Maybe there are some COMPANIES that say not to do that, but not all.

For eight years I worked undercover retail loss prevention. We did all of those things. As can any civilian who is making a citizen’s arrest. I have absolutely no idea where you’re getting your information, but mine is from experience.

Do we have a picture of the wife?

Can we go back to the HAWT dead daddy?

But he ain’t hawt no more!

R228, you might be correct about the laws where you live but laws governing this change between states and jurisdictions and what you say is not true everywhere.

R216 Never would've happened if he used a post-it!

It’s true in every state in the Union, Tony.

Anyone, anywhere can make a citizen’s arrest in the United States for a crime that actually was committed. In other words, a civilian cannot arrest on “reasonable cause to believe a crime occurred,” they must have direct knowledge. If they’re wrong, though, that’s where state laws differ on the consequences.

R234, False. It is not legal in Georgia.

Bullshit. Where the fuck are you getting this?

Cite me the law that makes a citizens arrest illegal in Georgia.

For the know-it-all Tony Woodward

For Tony

(Though I don’t know how the fuck you gonna call out someone who is in the fucking business!)

More for the arrogant douche bag know-it-all Tony.

I do love how some threads go off on a tangent

R240, Tony, you’re even dumber than I thought. In the very article you linked, here’s what it says:

[quote] Under the repeal bill, people who are mere bystanders or witnesses generally no longer have the right to detain people. Deadly force can’t be used to detain someone unless it’s in self-protection, protecting a home, or preventing a forcible felony. The changes retain Georgia’s “stand your ground” law, which says a person who is being threatened isn’t required to retreat.

[quote]It [bold]still allows business employees to detain people[/bold] they believe stole something, and lets restaurant employees detain people who try to leave without paying for a meal. [bold]It also lets licensed security guards and private detectives detain people.[/bold]

That’s some dapper dick

Bed Bath and Beyooooooooooooooooooooooood!!

I wonder if the paid the check first.

If BB&B is closing, where do we get Winter Candy Apple and Spiced Gingerbread candles??

For Tony and R228 (if you are different people) :

"If you are detained by a security guard, keep in mind what they can and can't do. It is legal for an unarmed security guard to detain you, but they can't do so by using force or other methods used by police, such as handcuffing you or placing you in a holding cell. "

Exactly what I said above - they can not touch you (that's called 'using force'), they can not handcuff you. The most they can do to detain a person is to ask them to stay, or try to intimidate them into staying. Grabbing them by their arm (or any other type of contact) is seen as 'using force'. It's not legal. You can leave the premises at any time. You can not be physically detained by force or 'locked in' the building - that's kidnapping.

So, R228 what you proudly admit to doing as a security guard was illegal.

R246 There's always TJMaxx and Homegoods !

Rather than reading a website, r247, please cite the specific law that says that’s illegal. And in what state?

Even Georgia’s law indicates detaining someone is legal in spite of them “tightening up” that law.

Thank you, R243, for bringing this conversation back to what truly matters.

Has anyone asked who here had him yet? Has anyone here had him?

R248 don't forget OLLIE'S.

R246 You are confusing stores. Candles are at Frau paradise, Bath & Body Works.

[quote]of course his wife’s name is Lauren. Has anyone EVER met a Lauren who wasn’t a tightly-wound, uptight control freak?

The one Lauren I know well is very sweet and the very opposite of an uptight control freak.

I wonder what the last thing in his mind was?

Ouch?

No, the last thing *in* his mind was the sidewalk.

Do people who jump off tall buildings very often kill people when they jump? I would think their survivors could get quite a lawsuit from the jumper's estate thereafter. That would be the most bizarre way to go, but I guess it would be a fast way to die since you would never know what hit you (literally).

[quote]I wonder what the last thing in his mind was?

"I wish I had thought this through."

"Do people who jump off tall buildings very often kill people when they jump? I would think their survivors could get quite a lawsuit from the jumper's estate thereafter. "

Wouldn't even have to be a survivor. The estate of a survivor could sue the estate of a jumper. I'm not sure how common that is, but technically it could be done.

I would have thought quite often.

Given that tall buildings are generally located in large cities with considerable footfall below them.

I would think that also, R260, but I don't regularly see that someone died as the result of someone jumping. In fact I rarely see it. Not saying it doesn't happen, but you'd think that would be part of the story for the jumping deaths that get any press.

[R249] Geeez, I didn't link to the Mueller Report - the link I provided is a 90 second read. Do you lose interest in something if it's more than the length of a text message ?

That’s right, you didn’t. You also didn’t link to any laws to substantiate your claim, which is false, so instead you hurl insults.

I see you’re new here, so I’ll explain. When you make a statement you want to be taken as fact, you support it with appropriate links, not a website that is very generic in its contention and cites no laws.

R261 Yes, I completely understand what you're saying.

The building that he jumped off of has a few setbacks. He probably never made it to the sidewalk. Also the Hyatt Centric on 45th has a big awning. His corpse may have stewed up there for days if no one noticed him jump.

There's a famous news photo from many years ago that shows the body of a woman who jumped and ended up inside a parked car. She looks surprisingly good, but the car was certainly damaged. I'm not linking to the photo because I don't care to see it again.

Sweetie, I linked to the website called "Findlaw". The article is there for you to read. The author (Holly South) can be contacted, if you wish to know the "laws" which backs her research. Have it - I'm not doing your homework for you.

There - this message is approximately 'text message' in length for you.

Maybe they could put gigantic trampolines over the canopy of this hotel.

R268- Oh, God. Someone would option that in midtown, call it "The Little Death," and charge brokers and day-traders $5,000 a go to test drive hurtling into oblivion on their lunch hour before taking their 1:30 bump and finishing their afternoon meetings off strong.

R266 you're thinking of the pretty well dressed young woman who in the 40s jumped off the Empire State Building and landed on her back on the roof of a car. She looks like she sleeping in a crumpled mattress in the crushed roof of the car.

Her name was Evelyn McHale.

Wow at R272. She could have been a model. I wonder if that was just a flattering shot, or if she was that lovely and graceful while alive. And why did she kill herself?

Thank you R272 for turning me on to such a cool website! These old photos are incredible.

[quote] Selfish fuck! 45th street is heavily-trafficked it is a miracle he didn't kill someone when he splashed down.

Honey, no one in their right frame of mind chooses to jump off a building.

Why was she carrying a mirror?

^ The woman in the photo.

R276, One last lipstick touch up.

She's not all that high up. She would have broken some bones or even her back. She could have fucked up her body or died if she landed on her head. That's clearly a cry for help.

If you read the link, R279, she could have also impaled herself on a spiky fence to either side of her.

R280, That happened to Romy Schneider’s son.

At the time of McHales death or even since then I wonder if anybody ever tried to find the back story of what brought her to the point of suicide. There had to be some point where she found life intolerable. What was the reason? A failed love affair? An unwanted pregnancy (remember this was the 40s and if you weren't married there was tremendous shame)? A lost job? Obviously she was very depressed but there is often some motivating factor or factors where it all becomes too much to bear.

Did he shave his balls?

Picture from his obituary

Obituary Excerpt:

[quote]He grew up in New Jersey and Northern Virginia with his two brothers and two sisters. He attended Brigham Young University (class of 2001) in Provo, UT where he studied Accounting and met the love of his life, Lauren Colton, his wife of 22 years (married August 5, 2000 in the Washington DC LDS Temple). He earned an MBA from Harvard Business School (class of 2006) where he learned to be an effective business leader and made lifelong friends. He served a two-year mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Cordoba, Argentina (1996-1998), where he grew to love the people and the gospel of Jesus Christ. This experience nurtured a profound love of serving others that became one of his guiding principles.

I guess I didn't read news articles closely, I was not expecting him to be a Mormon.

From the the obituary: "He loved life."

Sounds like it was more of a love/hate relationship.

Wow R283 - way to bring the conversation down to idiot level.

R284, BDF.

Mormon closet case confirmed

Being Mormon explained why he got married so young and had five kids very young. And the "smelling cookies" look. The church pushes people to get married post-adolescence even before they finish college and get established in their careers. Many Mormons live beyond their means to keep up appearances of perfection. They are extremely judgemental, superficial and materialistic people. Financial stress, pressure to be perfect and being a self-loathing closet case. Recipe for disaster. David Archuleta got out and I hope he becomes a voice for ex-Mormons, there's hope.

R287 Fuck off. This is DL, not Mumsnet.

This invasion of straight women is seriously fucking annoying.

R284 Hmm. Not quite as attractive as before. His head appears gigantic.

R292, You can’t be serious. He was a gorgeous man.

He looks dead inside. Very fake looking smile. I've never met a Mormon adult who had a real smile.

So I’m guessing it was a closed casket then?

Did we ever find out whether it was three or five kids?

I've always been amazed at how the Mormon Church got to be so popular and gained so many followers. Joseph Smith was such a fraud and a charlatan, Mormonism was like the 19th Century version of Scientology. At least with Scientology, people in the mid-20th Century were more aware of bullshit when they saw it and Scientology never gained a mass following.

R296, His obituary names the five children.

Thanks, r298. I only read the excerpt quoted here. I had no interest in reading some rando’s obit.

R297 I have little sympathy for MAGAT holy rollers or Catholics who are often fake and only use religion for their bigotry and thirst for power. While sinning non-stop outside the church. They know what they're doing.

But with people who are Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and members of other cults especially raised in them. I can't help but feel bad because these are very damaged people who are isolated from reality and are psychologically bound to their religious community. These cults emotionally abuse, spy on you, gaslight and shame you nonstop. People develop a dependency and learned helplessness from a young age. Even if they have great jobs and look happy, they still depend on their cult for solace. It's Stockholm Syndrome. I'm happy people are exposing Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Hillsong and Scientology, they exploit damaged people and abuse children.

East Coast Mormons are few and far between.

I was just thinking the same thing, r301. Was definitely surprised he was a Mormon. We don’t have hardly any around here.

I just found out that a girl with whom I ran track and cross country in high school was the wife of the suicided financier.

When I knew Lauren Colton (now Cheney), she was an incredibly kind Mormon who was the fastest long distance runner on the girl’s team and was often the only one from our school to go to states for both indoor/outdoor track & field and cross country. She was a very devoted Mormon. There were many, many Mormons in our high school, right outside of D.C.

I had completely lost track of her through the years and was sort of shocked to learn this today. I feel sad for her.

R211, yes, that is her.

She was very focused and driven as an athlete when I knew her, sometimes to an extreme extent. So I can see why people have latched onto “tightly-wound.”

[quote]don't forget OLLIE'S.

As if the Datalounge could EVER forget Follies.

[quote]r282 At the time of McHales death or even since then I wonder if anybody ever tried to find the back story of what brought her to the point of suicide. There had to be some point where she found life intolerable. What was the reason?

Her mother had emotional problems and it broke up McHale’s family when she was a child. Her suicide note read, [italic] “I don’t want anyone in or out of my family to see any part of me. Could you destroy my body by cremation? I beg of you and my family – don’t have any service for me or remembrance for me. My fiance asked me to marry him in June. I don’t think I would make a good wife for anybody. He is much better off without me. [bold]Tell my father, I have too many of my mother’s tendencies” [/bold] [/italic]

Wow. The unceasing torment she was living through.

Diane Linkletter

Many Mormons in New Jersey nowadays. A lot of them moved East because there's way more money, jobs and opportunities here than in Utah or Idaho or Colorado where they're more dependent on the LDS church. The reason they seem very rare is many keep their beliefs to themselves being a minority religion and also East Coasters have little tolerance for proselytization. A few of my coworkers revealed themselves to be a Mormon to me and I had no clue. They told me they hid it not to be made fun of. There's also Mormon boys on mission on Eastern college campuses from the Mountain states and they always get made fun of for their ignorance (especially regarding race and sex) and condescension.

Breaking 🚨 Criminal (domestic violence) charges pending following arrest - released on 25K bond 2 days before the plunge...

Well, a Mormon twist to this story. The DL does not disappoint

So, a devout Mormon with 5 kids. Cops called on him for domestic violence early in their marriage when they lived in NYC over financial issues, then again much later after 5 kids and a huge fancy house in CT. I know that despite having large families, the LDS "Church" puts great financial pressure on the father, and it goes way beyond tithing. Constant badgering from higher-ups. It's such a scheme.

This was the case for a colleague who had 6 kids, He was a couple pay grades lower than mine, still very middle-class, but was always under financial stress. The worst of it came during the anti-gay marriage Prop. 8 campaign in CA. Didn't work closely with him but heard the stories from those who did. This was at a company in SF, where there were a lot of gays, lesbians, and liberals on the staff. I told him that the campaign was offensive to me and suggested that it was a losing battle and to not waste his time and money - the measure in fact went down by a huge margin.

The "suicided guy" seems to have had a temper and was prone to violence -- wifey got a restraining order. Suicide (especially the way he did it) is a violent act and is also a huge sin in Moronism.

He was a contemporary Jackson Pollock yet, unfortunately, left only one masterpiece.

But he put a lot of himself into it.

I tried talking to him that night but he was all over the place.

“The "suicided guy" seems to have had a temper and was prone to violence -- wifey got a restraining order. Suicide (especially the way he did it) is a violent act and is also a huge sin in Moronism.“

It’s also a final middle finger to wifey.

He’s fine, he sends his love

What a waste of a hot piece of ass.

BREAKING! - R309 and NYPost offer no new news. We have known this for over a week.

Do we believe Dale was obtaining sex outside the marriage?

R316, It had not been previously reported that he was out on bond.

Sure it was. But do get your clicks.

Jan 27. And I read it even earlier.

"A police report describing the incident was not immediately available Friday. But a brief summary of the incident provided by police said Cheney was charged with fourth-degree criminal mischief and disorderly conduct. He was released on $25,000 bond and did not enter a plea when he appeared the next day in state Superior Court in Stamford, records show."

The NYPost is enjoyable, R309 - but notice as well that it is ABSOLUTE GARBAGE TABLOID SHIT with no scruples and will post anything for a click.

Sad story. The guy was highly stressed and struggling to cope. He needed psychological help, but probably didn’t seek or accept it.

Did he do this to hurt her? Because she could very well be thinking thank god I don't have to worry ever again about him hurting me.

Women are nutty now, she’s probably another upper class sociopath who called him a “fag” and told him he was “not a real man”, beat him, then demanded huge amounts of money for luxury items, when he finally half-ass backhanded her after 10 rounds, she intentionally fell to the ground screaming and crying that he was “GOING TO JAIL! WHAT KIND OF MAN HITS A WOMAN?!” allegedly…

That’s not her at all.

I wonder if he was wearing his magic underwear?

R323 BLOCKED for being a humorless misogynist. At least be funny.

Plenty of Mormons on the East Coast. The statement is inane.

There are tons of Mormons in Northern Virginia which is where the wife grew up.

East coast LDS population by state (approximations): GA—98k, VA—96k, NC—92k, NY—83k, PA—52k, MD—46k, SC—42k, NJ—34k, MA—28k, CT—15k, DE—15k, ME—11k, NH—9k, VT—5k, RI—4k, DC—3k.

There are about 700k Mormons on the East Coast, not counting Florida. The total population of that same area is approximately 100 million.

[quote]Financier who fatally plunged from NYC rooftop bar ID’d as Connecticut dad of 3

I knew a plumber who plunged to his death.

It was quite a difference scene, but equally messy. But the colors were mostly different.

Mostly.

R330 hardeeharhar you're a regular laugh riot! 😵‍💫💩

R326 go fuck your Dad, FrauDyke

If you're Mormon and you want to work, go to Salt Lake City, it's a boomtown! The only metropolis in the country where real estate values increased during the pandemic.

well, that's simply not true, r333

Salt Lake City #1

you are still a dumb bitch.

R331 deserves that familial malignancy.

I keep wonder if there was some financial malfeasance going on as well where he lost himself and others a ton of money which could never be recovered.

'wondering'

Since he was 46, I assumed at least some of his five children were young, but apparently they are all in their late teens and early twenties.

I hear Utah isn't fun if you're not Mormon. Salt Lake City has enough of a diverse population to mitigate the Mormon supremacy. But the rest of the state seems to be under a theocracy of sorts. Most of politicians in Utah are Mormon and alumni of BYU.

R341, of course, very true. My comments about Salt Lake being a boomtown were a bit tongue-in-cheek, because, who really wants to live there? Not me. But don't tell people there are no jobs there, which really isn't the case.

R342 Do those jobs pay the same amount as jobs in the Northeast, DMV area, Texas or West Coast? If you have a college degree and want to move up, usually you chase where the wealth is.

Thanks for that r329. I live on the NY and CT border, near New Canaan where this guy lived. I have only known ex-Mormons living in NYC. I know in the mid-1990s the Mormons made a huge push to expand in the NYC metro area and bought up tons of real estate to build temples but it kind of fizzled out.

He was having money problems? And he hit his wife?

[quote]He was having money problems? And he hit his wife?

And he was also gay and closeted!

Despite their deeply homophobic religion, many Mormon men look gay as hell. The forced smiling, soft-spoken tone and vanity probably plays a lot in this perception.

Why do Mormon men present as gay?

R348, see R347

Mitt, Rafalca and I send condolences.

Mitt is a man's man. No homo.

Ann

R3, I can’t believe that’s the same man.

R352, it’s not. Someone took it from an unrelated LinkedIn. That’s not him.

Didn't some woman jumped from a hotel window in LA and landed on a pedestrian killing him instantly?

two-fer

[quote]Didn't some woman jumped from a hotel window in LA and landed on a pedestrian killing him instantly?

I hope it wasn't Arlene Francis!