Oscars 2023: Till director Chinonye Chukwu calls out misogyny and racism after snub

Fuck the woke mob! It’s great that the academy is now refusing to acquiesce to these sjws.

I think the Academy were scared by her Naugahyde Brassiere.

Oh stfu r1. She is right. It's a racist and misogynistic institution

I tried to watch Till. It’s simply not very good.

I prefer 'Tar' to 'Till'.

All the MAG A gays out in full force tonight

R3: Will you shut the fuck up you little wokester? You can’t always blame racism and sexism when you don’t get what you want.

Till was a better movie than Tar

Nobody saw the movie.

I went to see both movies in the theater, Tar had 5 people including myself. Till had too many to count

A mother's love is more important than idiotic La-La-Landers.

Record number of minority acting nominees.

I haven't seen Till, but everyone seems to think Danielle Deadwyler deserved a nomination.

But every year there are a few "shockers" regarding who and who doesn't get nominated, particularly those who were seen as shoo-ins. No reason not to believe she received the sixth-highest number of votes in the category.

Chshsinoyue shuchukuk

I liked Till; Deadwyler deserved a nomination. It’s a shame she lost out to the Riseborough White Actress Instagram groundswell.

Crazy sense of entitlement. Not a good look.

R15. So what? Tough luck Andrea has middle aged white actresses on her side.

This is killing the Oscars, the yearly shrieking outrage by women and non-white people acting like their civil rights are being trampled by not being nominated!

Excellent films without solid distribution/box office or tons of press have a very tough time getting nominated. Take it to the Independent Spirit Awards! I'm in the biz and I couldn't care less who is nominated or not, it's just marketing and often foolish. Ever since Judy lost in 1954 everyone knows it often represents mediocrity and hype over quality. Do true artists create art to win tv prizes? Not really.

R7 White people do it all the time and now they’re basically banning anything black related from schools in the south.

So sit down.

I can’t believe they nominated Ana for Blonde. It was a disgusting role for a woman to play and a disgusting smear of the woman she played.

R18 you’ve been in the biz since Judy lost in 1954? 68 years ago?

Wow!

R21, I'd prefer be born in the 1950s rather than 'born yesterday'!

That picture is funny.

Gee, this annual "controversy" isn't tiresome at all. Just kill the fucking Oscars already. They're starting to feel as obsolete as the Miss America pageant.

True, r6. We're still in Primetime, so it's probably one of the personality disordered crazies who had a meltdown and bought a handful of paid accounts to troll with.

We went weeks with only a few trolls during Primetime, now we're overrun with them.

The Academy is always nominating actors for biopics when the film isn't very good but the lead is, and Deadwyler absolutely qualified as much as Brendan Fraser, Austin Butler, Ana de Armas, or past nominees/winners like Rami Malek and Renee Zellweger.

R18, thank you.

Till was fucked over by Will.

I ask you! Have any actors with micropenises been nominated? Well. As usual. More than a SNUB. Literal genocide!

Till would win the Point Finger and Scold Oscar if the racist, sexist and goofist Academy would allow one.

Apparently now, bad movies like Till deserve to be nominated because it has black actors. Only black actors' roles matter! Fuck those Asians!

I did not see Till. From the reviews, it seemed to be an overwrought bio pic save the lead actresses' performance. Was it any good?

TBF to the director, why did Till receive no noms but that boring King Richard get showered with noms? I get the Academy was giving Smith a lifetime achievement award of sorts, but the OTT praise for the film was a headscratcher.

r31 Asians have always been white for the post 70s, stereotypically angry, wannabe panthers, revolutionary marxist black. Every other group, including darkest of dark is whit. This lass would fall into that boat and likely get called out by Samuel J and Viola, again, for the exotic outsourcing (i.e. other blacks are exotic, (see everyone from idris elba to grace jones), therefore closer to whiteness, than A.A.) when there's plenty of ados right here

Remember, the term “BIPOC” exists solely to remove Asians from the oppressed class.

This is the result of decades of Affirmative Action. People expect rewards simply because they check certain diversity boxes.

fat and ol... mature women would like to have a word with skinny young bitch Ms. Chukwu, too

the death knell seems to be the film's attachment to Whoopi and her repeat controversy.

(of course, public is pointing fingers at the Jews across social media while media icon Js are opening the oven doors, stepping in front of it and screaming Whoopi shouldn't be snubbed for that.)

[quote] Chukwu is not the only person to notice a concerning pattern regarding the Deadwyler and Davis snubs. In her popular newsletter Hung Up, writer Hunter Harris discussed Riseborough’s word-of-mouth driven campaign and highlighted Deadwyler and Davis’s snubs, writing “the criticism, after those snubs, was how often black actors don’t benefit from the same network of white elite power maneuvers. And that’s true!” Film critic Robert Daniels also noticed the uphill battle that Black actresses have when receiving awards recognition in Hollywood, tweeting that “even if you have a great performance and you play the money game, as a Black woman you’re still at a systematic disadvantage to a white person who didnt have those advantages. That blows.”

LA TIMES:

[quote] Although it’s easy to point a finger at Riseborough for taking a slot from Black women, broken systems persist when we focus our ire on individuals. Rather than interrogating Riseborough’s specific campaign — for a harrowing performance, I might add — one should ask a different question: What does it say that the Black women who did everything the institution asks of them — luxury dinners, private academy screenings, meet-and-greets, splashy television spots and magazine profiles — are ignored when someone who did everything outside of the system is rewarded?

also, LA TIMES: OscarsSoWhite again

[quote] Producer and diversity advocate Prasanna Ranganathan, who also noted the absence of woman directors from nominations, decried how “this allyship and amplification are rarely extended to racialized, queer and disabled people and often comes at their expense.”

Bullshit R10.

[quote] I haven't seen Till

That’s the problem. Not misogyny or racism. I’m very interested in Till’s story, but I don’t want to watch a boy get tortured to death by cracker assholes, no matter what race he is (or what race or sex the director is).

She’s hardly doing herself any favors by throwing a temper tantrum because she wasn’t nominated — just making the most self-serving assumption that casts the community in the most negative light possible.

LSA

[quote] Is it disrespect or just the Academy avoiding the bad optics of nominated a film that washed the history of slave traders??

[quote] Woman King wasn’t a strong enough contender to be nominated. It was a 6 out of 10 for movies.

[quote] I swear I knew nothing about this movie existing

[quote] I thought we were cancelling the Oscars

[quote] Stop playing the game period. Stop taking these trauma roles. Get a white bench to do it. Stop working for these white and Joo directors. Black directors only. Start writing black owned films. Start producing black owned films. Start having a Black Oscars. Fuck this Hollyweird machine and the bullshit games they pl

[quote] the academy nominated all those asians and said "um...that's enough coloreds for this year" tbh

[quote] Well a person with a white parent may identify as black, but in reality they're not. Halle Berry is not black and saying she is adds to the erasure of actual black women.Has an actual black women won an Oscar for best actress, I highly doubt it.

[quote] it was really disappointing how black people didn't want to support Till because they misjudged it as trauma porn.

[quote] If we want see more black women win these acclaimed awards then they need to be choosing better roles to show their range than the battered, depressed and bruised black woman. We need see ourselves in more layered roles and its not happening.

Off-topic, but Austin Butler will not win the Academy Award for "Elvis".

Reactions to Elvis Presley are too polarized and voters will just find it easier to vote for another white guy.

[quote]I did not see Till. From the reviews, it seemed to be an overwrought bio pic save the lead actresses' performance. Was it any good?

It was boring with moments of being overwrought, which is standard for biopics of depressing, heady topics.

The Academy loves biopics, especially if they're fun and nostalgic. The problem is that there just aren't that many choices for a fun, nostalgic biopic about anyone except white people. Given the way things were in the past, many artists who weren't white had tragic ends or enormous struggles that don't end with an uplifting success story or redemption (i.e. What's Love Got to Do With It).

Sessue Hayakawa would be a fascinating topic, for example, but it would be entirely about how he was chased out of Hollywood by racists.

Boring or bad biopics about white people always have a chance to get award consideration, while boring or bad biopics about those who aren't white (Get On Up, Selma, Frida, etc.) get mostly ignored by the Academy.

King Richard was showered with nominations because Will Smith at the time was a Hollywood fave within the industry and the award was being pushed as basically an award for the career he's had, not so much specifically for that performance.

[quote] [R18] you’ve been in the biz since Judy lost in 1954? 68 years ago?

Take a reading comprehension class, R21.

Pulling the race card when you don’t get a participation trophy.

[quote] Off-topic, but Austin Butler will not win the Academy Award for "Elvis".

[quote]Reactions to Elvis Presley are too polarized and voters will just find it easier to vote for another white guy.

That’s absolute bullshit. It’ll be between him and Fraser.

Have nominee Angela Bassett and the nominated female cast of EEAAO commented?

The movie is inevitably a downer and most Academy members (including the actor’s branch) didn’t see it so didn’t vote for her. It’s that simple.

I agree that Andrea Riseborough’s campaign was a stunt and it’s very bad for the Academy that it worked. Calls the whole weighted ballot thing into question.

While it’s not new to nominate a performance in a film that few will ever see (like Fraser and Nighy this year) it’s out of hand. why should viewers at home care at all? the answer is they don’t.

So nominations should not be based on merit and performance and instead should be about whether or not the movie is known and how much viewers at home know or care about someone like Andrea Riseborough, R53? Boy, how stupid that is.

By the way, she personally had no campaign.

I didn't see Till or Tar, and probably won't see Till because the trailer makes it seem like a giant hamfest designed to elicit sorrow and guilt. I say that without trying to diminish the tragedy of the events it depicts. I'm glad the film was made and that Till's story is now well-known.

I think Chukwu is probably right but I'm not sure what she hoped to achieve by this. Wonderful films and performances are snubbed every year in favor of mediocre ones. It comes off more as a whine than as an invitation to have a public discussion about an important topic.

You don’t get a nom and the industry’s racist. Makes perfect sense to me.

The film was gripping and the performances outstanding.

She's right.

"I agree that Andrea Riseborough’s campaign was a stunt and it’s very bad for the Academy that it worked. Calls the whole weighted ballot thing into question."

Bullshit. Having everyone from frontrunner Cate Blanchett to Winslet to Edward Norton saying you need to see this performance has happened behind the scenes forever, especially when a movie has no media buzz or budget. This is not new, for instance Streisand loved Phantom Thread and hosted screenings, Julia Roberts made calls for Javier Bardem. Social media just made this public.

Till had media buzz and precursor awards in droves. If no one wanted to see it, tough cookies.

Who is going to want to work with this filmmaker now? What are the risks that she flips out or bad mouths you in public?

Love Deadwyler but R18 is absolutely right.

Why is it that only the black actors/actresses/directors who throw a fit when they are not nominated/ don't win?

I've seen TILL and TO LESLIE. Riseborough absolutely deserves her nomination. Deadwyler does too, but I would trade out De Armas or Williams for her, not Riseborough.

The people bitching about the nominations have likely not seen either film.

Booty, TILL doesn't show the actual torture and killing, though there are audio fragments of it and there are still shots of the body. The film focuses on the mother.

Her comments perfectly capture what's wrong with woke culture. It declares war on meritocracy and encourages everybody including straight white men to claim they are oppressed victims.

2 black acting nominees and 4 Asian acting nominees. The AMPAS was probably like fuck it the woke mob will never be satisfied.

[quote]Apparently now, bad movies like Till deserve to be nominated because it has black actors.

Yet, black audiences stayed away from it, therefore making it a big flop at the box office.

I wonder why Sunny and Whoopi don't discuss this in Hot Topics - the fact that minority audiences do not support minority-made films or theater ? They complain about films not being made by minorities, with minority casts (same with theater) for minority audiences. Yet when these films and plays get made, the minority audiences stat far away and don't support them. Maybe Sunny can fund a study on that, and find out why.

Have the 2 black acting nominees and 4 Asian acting nominees commented on all the misogyny and racism being exhibited by the academy?

[quote] I've seen TILL and TO LESLIE. Riseborough absolutely deserves her nomination. Deadwyler does too, but I would trade out De Armas or Williams for her, not Riseborough.

I agree with this. De Armas' nomination pisses me off because it was so fucking atrocious. De Armas needs to be dragged, but she probably won't because some male exec is working behind the scenes to make her happen.

"De Armas needs to be dragged"

Why would anyone drag an actor for being nominated for an award? Bully much, R66?

Word on the street is that Deadwyler's personal behavior (skipping lesser awards shows, late for interviews, etc.) was as erratic as her mother's during campaign season.

The word ‘woke’ is being run into the ground by the alt right…

[quote]. The film was gripping and the performances outstanding.

No. The film was outstanding.and the performances gripping.

They should have nominated Till...The Clouds Roll By. Great musical. But Lena Horne was in it so that's probably why they didn't.

Who's her mother, R68?

I do think Deadwyler deserved a nod, but that's it. I just think she deserved one; not that there a concerted effort to snub her.

And I think Till could (not should, be could) be nominated since there are 10 film nominations, especially over something like Top Gun. But again, whatever.

Take the sardines and leave the newspaper.....no leave the sardines and take the newspaper.....

R68, Deadwyler's mother was a legal secretary. No idea what you mean.

R72 sounds like her mother is Mo'Nique.

She's just pissed that the Asians have been doing so well; from Chloe Zhao to Parasite to EEAAA. Maybe the black film creators should look outside the typical stories we've had from them and create something new and bold, Black Panther is hardly revolutionary but it was a positive and fun story that does deal with isolationism and aspects of colonization but in a Marvel way and it was loved by audiences.

You hoors act like black women are not entitled to opinions. What the fuck gives??

Opinions divorced from fact, you mean, R78? The fact of 6 people people of color being nominated? You da ho.

R77 Regina King cteated something bold and new with One Night in Miami and she was snubbed. She created the type of film which the Academy loves and got nothing

[quote] Regina King cteated something bold and new with One Night in Miami

Ummm, no she didn't.

[quote][R18] you’ve been in the biz since Judy lost in 1954? 68 years ago?

Ha! No, that was just one example I pulled out of a hat.

I still wear....a hat.

We’ll see r50, but I stand by my post at r45.

If I’ve got to eat my words, I will, but the topic of Elvis Presley ( who I adore , btw, and I think Butler deserves to win) is still somewhat fraught with understandable reactions to his place in pop history with regard to the economic and lack of recognition injustice to Blacks.

With this latest thing, I wouldn’t be surprised if academy voters avoided voting for Butler just to avoid that topic.

I have no idea what controversy you're referring to, R83--is Presley being accused of appropriation, essentially? A ridiculous argument--Presley himself was personaly responsible to lack of recogntion and injustice to blacks? I really doubt that will loom large when they vote.

The alt left.

The wokeratti

Communists!

Blacks!!

[quote]Why is it that only the black actors/actresses/directors who throw a fit when they are not nominated/ don't win?

Victim mentality is a part of their culture and identity.

Sounds like it’s a part of your culture too r89

Sorry but nominating good actors in mediocre films which exist only to net the actor a nomination sucks. There were plenty of good performances in movies that were more widely seen and which got nominations in non-acting categories which could have been recognized.

It has never JUST been about the acting, it’s always been about the acting AND the trajectory of a career, where that person fits into the movie business. Because it IS a business, the business of entertainment. The nominations for Paul Mescal and Barry Keoghan are very much in that vein — actors doing good work who are suddenly breaking through to the business at large.

Andrea Riseborough is a terrific actress, no argument. Does she give a fuck about working in Hollywood or being seen as possible star material? Surely not. So let’s let her bleed quietly and obscurely for her art, shall we? Her nomination is a stunt and is bad for the Oscars and bad for business.

It makes no sense to call her nomination a "stunt," R91. There's virtually no logic in what you're saying. Was her performance award-worthy? That's it. There's nothing else to be said.

"So let’s let her bleed quietly and obscurely for her art, shall we?"

Oh, Mary.

R91 👏

"I can’t believe they nominated Ana for Blonde. It was a disgusting role for a woman to play and a disgusting smear of the woman she played."

You're an imbecile.

I'm watching Till now. What is up with the art direction? They have Emmett in a bedroom for a five year old.

[quote]I'm watching Till now. What is up with the art direction? They have Emmett in a bedroom for a five year old.

I noticed that, too. I believe that was to show his 'innocence' and the fact that he really wasn't that mature even though he was a teen - he acted more like a five year old. So he really couldn't have done what he was accused of, since he had the maturity and mentality of a child.

r85 ctrl left because you require the alt right to delete them both and start again.

“There is nothing else to be said.” Oh, really, R92?

Do you have any knowledge of the origin or history of the Academy Awards? This bizarre concept of purity you have was NEVER in the DNA of the Oscars as they were conceived and existed for decades.

And even now, NO ONE votes without prejudice and pre-conceived opinions about what constitutes a fine acting performance. Feelings about the actor as a star or personality will always factor in (as they always have). To pretend other factors don’t enter into the nominating and voting process is extremely naive.

And I can assure you that the non-acting branches (who will be making the difference in voting) don’t think of actors as rare pure beings inspired by the acting gods. They’re going to be saying “Who the fuck is Andrea Riseborough and how did she scam a nomination?”

Has Shelly Miscavige commented on Tom Cruise being snubbed in the Best Actor category?

R98, your obsessive rant over this actress is a little unhinged. Try to calm down.

r77 they can delve but the fantasy distortion is what gets to most. . . either straight out make it fiction or do it so far gone, ain't anybody still living and with few written accounts or recorded oral history.

give us a Charley Pride or Bad Brains biopic. Hit Rhinnon Giddens up for a musical. There's millions of configurations outside the norm of stereotypes and expectations.. from inside the community and outside as well.

blaxploitation from cartoons to cinema has rested too long as legit. It's always served at a discount to its audience and quickly abandoned to the discount bin. So, we see hand me downs with carbon copies of white characters then put into blackface for a role.,. and then everybody still screaming cast, with ados and their paper bag authenticity tests and the other side with their privilege/oppressive stack.

or sticking to what they all know, a revamp of The Wiz would be a complete shitshow, we all know it, but it's surprising it hasn't been done. Bring back the classics and beef up their plots.

R98, have you even seen “To Leslie”? I’m betting no.

or bring out a series of an all black cast series of shakespeare - a dead white guy but a standard to which most are measured to and has been resisted because people still play out this lack of agency... there's many more dry plays from black author sbut most don't have the skills to maintain and instead focus only on a handful of selected extremes... one can pay the rent with a hundred tyler perry films, bank hard in fact but they're not remembered as legit. urban city art programs have been abandoned quicker than Oprah and her schools.

Can someone please translate r103 for me?

But nobody ever said life was fair Chino Chuk

So Will Smith didn't get a nomination for Emancipation? That's a real slap in the face

Good one R106😆😁🤣

[quote] Deadwyler

This is an impossibly mangled surname.

They don't want a German name 'DETWEILER' so they choose an ugly pun based on the great American /Jewish director William Wyler.

r104 the talent shortage.

group of people coming up through the fixed system, already had a chip on their shoulder, acquiring more as they go... there is a gap on all levels and we've spent decades playing catch up. Those that succeed do so on indies but they get shutout.. not so much by the festivals, but the black community. Many of the current divas have no connection to black community other than being black. . . and surface value, they're just about as trustworthy as a politician because that's what they act like most of the time. Get out of hollywood, and go to sacramento for that. But let's be real, even that, they wouldn't stay on the wrong side of the tracks, at best they'd travel down the tracks past davis to oakland.. more comfortable there with students clinging to every word as long as they keep throwing bombs.

I doubt they know what they want other than to shit out a project and get praise, no criticism. But that's every woman, really, yes, I know, I'm sexist. We could throw in a few other ists and isms too. That these ladies don't give a shit about their audience and instead try to cite up some rage because they take for granted the community support for someone that has been discriminated against.. but all this is a broken record and people are confused., Most didn't hear about Till and the other one was mired in controversies which everyone involved in tried to gloss over as if they were stupid. . . which solidly turned audiences against it.

Honestly, I don't get these ladies at all... because what their slinging isn't landing either. It's tiresome. What's their five point plan on social justice they were hoping all this would achieve beyond just padding their accounts with the hopes of moving to bigger and better things, and how does that relate to the need for community representation, how does it fall on community responsilibity to support said films when so little is given to their communities in return... even just an gluon of respect.

Which straight up they have none...

so, it plays off like, they aren't communicating at all..,. lashing out all around on tired tropes.

there's too many fields of distraction.. shit is far more compartmentalized and they're trying to link complex layers that get boiled down - my work was rejected, you're racist. not communication. just hurt. would. lashing out. emotionally unrestrained children, and teaching children even worse.

We could debate it's overkill of some of these figures and new blood needs to come in,.. the nepo crisis is oversimplified but it has a lot of truth to it. I'd say hire from the chorus line because most peeps are sweet as light and capable of working/living with everybody... not as pulled down into the pits of segregation; social, physical, otherwise. humble for what opportunities they have even washing tables before the next line up. people at top often forget what its really like at the bottom. How's Ms. Erivo doing these days?

every demographic as its deathknell and most have been stuck there since the 70s, some earlier. .. unablet o understand they're not building the tower of babel here. the foundation is what they need to build instead of relying on shaky ground. So, how do you do that?

R4 You need to insert a paragraph break between each sentence.

Someone should warn Miss Wu Wu that following in the footsteps of Mrs. Smith is not going to end well

I didn't see Till for the same reasons I'm not seeing Blonde and Women Talking: it sounds like a pointlessly nihilistic and depressing way to spend a couple of hours.

Yes, R112. Why should I pay money to be preached at.

I dont get why all the rage about Academy being about race . In 2005 Jamie Foxx was a double nominee for best actor and best supporting actor, and he won in a category which included Johnny Depp, Clint Eastwood, Leo Dicaprio. This was decades ago..and suddenly the Academy is racist

^ Are all those videos one hour long?

Well r91, I guess you best take back Liz Taylor’s Oscar for BUTTERFIELD 8, because that was a shit movie!

[quote] She’s hardly doing herself any favors by throwing a temper tantrum because she wasn’t nominated

Yes, Deborah Kerr didn't scream to the press when she was so often overlooked.

Deborah even showed her tits so she could get an Oscar and when that didn't work she said fuck it.

[quote] Deborah even showed her tits

Miss Chinonye Chukwu almost shows hers in the OP's picture (that's now been deleted)

Well, I never showed my tits to win my Oscar.

R22 The expression 'born yesterday' is a tactful way to describe someone who is dumb or ignorant.

Chukwu should be thanking her lucky stars that affirmative action got her such a high profile directing assignment. She's a HORRIBLE director. Till was so heavy handed I found myself laughing in places where I should have felt just the opposite. I can see why Deadwyler did not get nominated. You couldn't find her performance in all the symbolism and sainthood the director heaped on top of her. And that's not Deadwyler's fault at all.

Why do regular people care so much about the Oscars? You can't vote. You have no say in it. They're meaningless except within the industry, adding box office revenue, helping someone's career. Why do people who have nothing to do with the Academy or the business fight over who should have one one of these things? Just because the industry and the TV network that broadcasts the show have to hype it up, doesn't mean the hype is real. I don't see why people fall for it.

*should have won

R127 it's one of the only concrete ways to discuss art/movies. There's data, stats, competition, etc. Otherwise it's just discussion of "well I liked this and you didn't and that's that."

I saw Women Talking yesterday and it's neither depressing nor nihilistic, R112.

No, it sounds like a total bore.

Till is directed like a fairly basic made for tv movie anchored by an astonishing lead performance. That's all.

They're all terrible people!

Is it not enough that the industry indulged her crappy movie because of her race.

I'm sorry, but Deadwyler did not give an astonishing performance, except in the parts where she hamboned it up, screeching and wailing over the bargain basement dummy they had stand in for her dead son.

I'm not watching any movie employing that hideous, dumbass Holocaust-denier Whoopi Goldberg.

In the name of accuracy, I'm posting in response to R136, who mistakenly or falsely called Goldberg a Holocaust denier.

R2 "Naugahyde"! Now THERE'S a word I have not heard in like, forever. 😆

Just thought I'd stop by and add something otherwise meaningless to the discussion.

Carry on.

Naugahyde Brassieres are made from the hide of the Nauga Buffaloes.

Very handy for ladies with heavy bazoomers.

I couldn't fiinish watching Till,far too much wailing

I can't bear wailing.

People not giving you an award is NOT evidence of misogyny and racism no matter how much your movie tells a terrible story of racism.

Notice how it's all about her, and not Emmet Till.

Asshole.

R142 as a white male I get wher they're re coming from. How are you as a mixed raced person pandering to thos MAGA crowd who makes fun of them? Are you one of those self hating blacks?

[Quote]] as a white male I get wher they're re coming from. How are you as a mixed raced person pandering to thos MAGA crowd who makes fun of them? Are you one of those self hating blacks?

R143 work on your syntax, spelling and grammar and spare us the psycho babble.

R142 identifies as a self hating black

R142 pander, pander away. You must hate what you see when you look in the mirror

R143 Is one of those wonderful white people who knows more about racism and bigotry than a person of color and needs to boast about it. Of course they have no idea how ridiculous they look patting themselves on the back for their wonderful tolerance. It might help if they had finished high school and could write a sentence,

[quote]it's one of the only concrete ways to discuss art/movies. There's data, stats, competition, etc. Otherwise it's just discussion of "well I liked this and you didn't and that's that."

R129 With all due respect, one can discuss art and movies a great deal, and in great depth, without ever mentioning data, stats, and competition. "Well I liked this and you didn't and that's that" does not even begin to describe it.

How about trope ridden and predictable R148? Just for starters. Couldn't wait Till it was over.