Anne Heche - Being Gay Is A CHOICE

Bottom line: Anne was a nutcase. RIP.

How can you 'choose' to fall in love?

You can choose to be a gold-digging attention whore, though.

“I chose to fall in love with a woman” = “I chose to enter into a relationship with Ellen to advance my career”

[quote] “I chose to enter into a relationship with Ellen to advance my career”

It didn't advance her career at all. Quite the opposite.

As far as SHE was concerned it was a choice. End of.

[quote]and I hadn't been with the same sex before," she writes.

But you sure as hell thought about it, gurl.

Poor Anne. In the old days she’d be running around a locked stone room in a tower, babbling to herself.

Yet we made her a star.

If anything, being closeted is a choice. As is coming out. The underlying feelings you can’t choose.

Ugh whatever. Maybe for females it is. They're the ones pushing the queer nonbinary crap anyhow

[quote] Anne Heche - Being Gay Is A CHOICE

He He

That means you were never gay, dear...just a typical cluster B crazy bisexual

He he, r8.

Aw God rest her wherever she is, she clearly had a troubled mind x

Did her pussy stink?

I'll punch your heart out, He he!

Her 13 year old son has "broken his silence" and spoke out about his mother's death to a reporter for one of the tabloids this week. I didn't bother reading the interview as I can't fathom a 13 year old committed to silence, and then deciding to break it.

Winding up like roasted coffee is a Taster’s Choice.

Drunken, flame-roasted hooer!

You may recall she was also a bit an asshole to The Advocate around the time of her first memoir, when they questioned if her then-husband was anything other than straight.

If all you have to do is open your hole, then, yeah, it's a choice.

She was always ambitio-sexual. Ultimately, I doubt she ever truly loved anyone.

She is the living proof that being gay is not the choice. She chose to be be political lesbian and "fall in love" with Ellen, but her cock hungry pussy soon lead her back to her real sexuality and she was soon married with first husband giving birth to kids, than with second husband.

Well, she consorted with aliens and then crashed her car into a house....so not a reliable font of knowledge.

I would say to her- Being a CUNT is a choice

OP didn't provide a link or context, she’s talking about the 1993 Millennium March on Washington for Gay, Lesbian, and Bi Equal Rights and Liberation:

[quote]When you’re at the “Gay March” […] as a newly bona fide, gay activist, and you’re at the podium speaking to a minimum of 1 million flag-waving, rainbow, painted, out-and-proud gay, lesbian, and transgender people and bisexuals it’s [italic]not[/italic] the time to be ignorant. [italic]Or[/italic] stupid. [italic]Or[/italic] ignorant. I was [italic]all[/italic] those things.

[quote]My first message was simple: [italic]“Come out.”[/italic] Then I continued, “Straight people, like I was until very recently, need to know who you are, and not all of you wear it on your sleeve. And as someone who lived the first part of my life as ‘straight,’ I had no idea of the scale of discrimination your face and we have to do something about it!”

[quote](Duh!) [italic]They were doing exactly that![/italic] That’s what the march was all about, Heche!

[…]

[quote]My second message was the real problem. I disagreed that being gay was not a choice. After all, I think choice is power. I had chosen to fall in love with a woman, and I hadn’t been with the same sex before.

[quote]It was as if I called out, “Gay can be a choice! Look at me! I chose to be in love with this woman who is essentially the queen of the [italic]you’re born this way message[/italic], and I [italic]wasn’t[/italic] born this way! I just fell in love! Sexuality can be a ‘heart thing’!”

[quote]I basically said that I just recently became gay, and that I had chosen to when I fell in love with Ellen.

[…]

[quote](Open mouth – insert foot.)

[…]

[quote]I had alienated the entire crowd with one statement. They hated me. I had in one fell, swoop, negated their entire identity, their power numbers, in the community, fuck! [italic]I had negated their colossal, historic protest.[/italic] They were demanding equality, for the selves they were born to be. And the truth is, all I wanted to do was applied each and everyone of them.

[quote]I had a lot to learn about communicating and expressing this love. I was dedicating my life to figuring out how best to approach the world with love. But it wasn’t there, yet, and, with the best intentions in the world, I talked over the truth of many people there.

[quote]What I wanted to do is join the crowd. Help the fight to love without judgment and further at celebration. And I apologize for any confusion about my intent. But the truth is, I was stating something different. I was proclaiming some thing I had discovered by falling in love with Ellen, Commitment, to living in love, the seeds of which I’ve been planted so many years before on a street….

Quoted text is from Google books, not all pages are available with the free preview, the page following the last quoted paragraph is unavailable.

Source for quoted text at R23 ^

When I have questions about the complexity of human sexuality, I always turn first to Anne "Celestia" He he.

R23 God, she is even more stupid, then.

She was lousy on-screen and a dummy off-screen.

Yes OP let’s take sexuality advice from Anne Heche. What next? How to create a happy work place by Ellen de Generes?

This thoroughly-annoying sookie woman made herself even more irritating by starring in this unwatchable and thoroughly unnecessary remake.

She said it is a choice

Was it her choice to take drugs?

It is my choice to switch her off.

So is driving your car into someone's living room.

So is being black.

It’s a fabulous choice…especially if you love cock.

It was her choice to be Celestia.

Then being straight is also a choice

This kind of shit is not helpful for LGBT people. And of course our "detractors" are constantly looking for LGBT people who say things like this to use as leverage.

Very disappointing on the part of Heche. Gross.

Celestia made…another choice.

Everybody's different. No two people are alike. Nobody gets this.

She was always getting all fired up about something.

[quote]Everybody's different. No two people are alike. Nobody gets this.

Never took a logic class, did you, R39?

R17 I had forgotten. Thanks for reminding us that she has always been off. That whole alien thing was so weird, no on wanted to think about it too much. We were appeased with the thought oh she's just a wacky Cali actress, lesbian. Nope. That wasn't it. She was full on bananas. I wish people would just tell things like it is and not try to explain it away. Look at Britney Spears. Loony bin?

She also chose to do drugs and slam into a house. Mensa material.

R43 I thought they didn't find anything in her system.

THIS GIRL IS ON FIRE!!!!

It was a choice for her, naturally. She was a bisexual.

Being a cunt is a choice.

She's the only person who can evoke sympathy for Ellen Degeneres. Anne seems like she did use Ellen. Fauxmosexual.

However, those photos of Anne on her final day, sitting in her car in the wife beater, she did ping to me on her final day.

Was Ellen even famous in 1993? I thought they got together around 98 or even later than that.

They got together in ‘97 or ‘98.

[quote] I thought they didn't find anything in her system.

They did.

From R51:

[quote]A blood test taken when Heche arrived at the hospital showed evidence of benzoylecgonine, the inactive metabolite of cocaine, in Heche's body, which means she had used the drug in the past but hadn't used it at the time of the crash, the report said.

[quote]The same goes for the cannabinoids, which were detected in Heche's urine, not blood, which is "consistent with prior use, but not at the time of the injury," a spokesperson for the LA County Medical Examiner-Coroner's office said.

[quote]The presence of fentanyl came from the drug being given to Heche at the hospital, the spokesperson said, which makes it "consistent with therapeutic use."

[quote]There was no alcohol found in Heche's system.

Heche being high at the time of the accidents wouldn't have been a good thing but at least it would explain everything, death and destruction caused by psychosis is terrifying.

Definitely, r52.

How can celeb books gets dates so wrong? Don't they have fact checkers at publishing companies anymore? Rupert Everett got some well known events' dates mixed up in his book, too. Still it can't be nice to have to tell some

This is so touching .

Lots of bisexual people make comments along similar lines.

I didn't choose to be gay. I'm OK with it now, but it was never a conscious choice, I'm just attracted to other guys and have never felt anything for a woman.

It's as natural to me as my hair and eye colour.

I'm guessing her point was that whether it's choice or biology, everyone should be free to do what they want.

Your own true sexual identity isn't a choice. The only choice one has is to either embrace it or struggle with it forever.

All of those celebrity tributes were so emotional. Alec Baldwin really loved her. Anna Stuart too. Gone too soon.

[quote] Maybe for females it is.

I think that is the big difference.

If you thought she opened up in her book, you shoulda seen the way she opened up when she hit that house.

It seems so obvious to me that people who are in same-sex relationships and think it's a choice are bisexual and they don't understand what it's like to be strictly sexually attracted to the one sex (ie gay, lesbian or straight). I've been hearing a couple of supposedly "lesbian" women on podcasts saying things like: "you can't know you don't like having sex with penis until you try it" type statements, and each time it turns out these women are actually bisexual and just identify as being lesbian.

Anne did say she was bisexual too anyway, didn't she? So it makes sense she would think this, but it is a total blind spot on her behalf because basically she just couldn't understand what it's like to not be bisexual.

[quote]If anything, being closeted is a choice. As is coming out. The underlying feelings you can’t choose.

Exactly that. A man is attracted to what he's attracted to, but he chooses to live as a gay man, an openly gay man, a semi-closeted or a closeted one.

All the teary-eyed "why would anyone choose to be gay?!" speeches are self-loathers, another choice of how to live your life.

Baseline gay, straight, of bisexual is only a tiny bit interesting, it's making choices that makes it a person interesting or not

One would think her book would get more attention considering how much attention her death got.

This dead cunt can speak for herself. No male has ever chosen to be gay.

Why do people always say that she used Ellen for a career boost? Anne had acted in a lot of movies before Ellen came along, including Donnie Brasco.

They made a huge deal of their relationship in the media and that did raise Heche's profile. She was a successful working actress but she was NOT genuinely famous before then.

I just glanced. But all I can say is that Ms. Hashbrown is the last authority for that kind of philosophy. I’d love to be a boring straight frau just so I’d be a happier person, but guess what? Men are hot and are what turn me on.

I can’t stand the sounds or actions of a horny woman. They’re both obnoxious and clueless on how to truly take care of a man. Giving head was bad in the 50s-60s because women didn’t know to cover their teeth.

Speeding into a wall is FATE! 🚗

[quote] Why do people always say that she used Ellen for a career boost? Anne had acted in a lot of movies before Ellen came along, including Donnie Brasco.

Because she did the same to Steve Martin whom she dumped for Ellen?

Heche was the inspiration for Heather Graham's role in the 1999 movie Bowfinger.

Anne was a fucking nutjob. She got what she deserved.

I'm pro-choice.

Team Anne all the way!

" Bring gay is a choice."

r80 well, it's relatively common in women with severe psychiatric disorders... less so in gay men, but prevalent enough to create a stigma in the gay and lesbian community, largely by extension of having once been labeled that by sexuality alone... and the realities that these people, like the 'I'm only gay when I'm using' crowd, tends to be str8 once they're stable and become the poster children for being ex-gay.

Being, sorry. It was a career choice for AH.

^ less so with those claiming to choose to be gay men...

we could go through a long list of nutty female celebs that have had lesBian "phases" (most aren't truly bi either.. and unfortunately, adds to the stigma against bisexuals.)...

Yep.

Anne also chose to die in a car crash.

Choice has power!

r84 She became a saint! Celestia, our lady of the holy rising phoenix.. She'll return on the wings of a dove and wreak her vengeance across this thread for it's blasphemy!

Judging by those clips shared above, those women spend more time talking about being a lesbian than doing it. Weird. Us gay men just do it and don't overanalyse it.

R64 I don't know, many men CHOOSE to expirement with the same sex, also I know guys who we can call "late in life bisexuals", maybe they've always been curious but they loved pussy so much and then they get to a certain age and they just want their dick sucked ...

[quote]her new book (written before she died)

Am I the only one who laughed at that?

r87 There's a prominent theory about tribal sexuality, in where male homosexuality is accepted in youth to reduce high risk pregnancies (with girls, obviously), and in old age, to allow the younger men more opportunities. (given, many women wouldn't make it to old age because of pregnancies.).

One finds that reflected in much of western history in smaller communities, more permissive (at least until the greater public was given a name for it and the oral health crises that followed.) for youth and turned a blind eye to the elderly widowed or confirmed bachelors. Although, internationally, we also find that military brotherhood often included more than brotherly love... just as the more famous amazons, there's many stories of male homosexual warriors. . . but of course, that is frequently minimized for the eunuch they consider gay and fits more conventional stereotypes.

Where do u think madonna sits, r83?

Nah, that's what "ambitious" people say who use their genitals instead of their brains to get something.

...OR wackjobs.

r90 attention seeking, soul sucking, nutbar... different breed than say Angelina Jolie but in the same ballpark. BPD is an obvious diagnosis.. especially with how their friendships and relationships go, they don't even holdback with their children. They just express it in different ways. BPD Sexuality is less physical attraction than leaning into the narcissistic and co-dependent.

r90

She ended up frying her own snatch. Gurl was cray cray.

Political lesbian?

Annie was right. All gay men choose to be effeminate and get bullied and terrorized for their whole life.