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Gloria Steinem

Am I the only one who never cared for her? She always seemed like a poser, totally out of touch. I recall her saying that masculinity was a disease that needed to be eradicated. She’s anti-porn. She was also never seen without a man. She also had a major hard-on for Bill Clinton. It was hilarious how much egg was left on her face after that. Now she’s BFF with Meghan Markle.

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by Anonymousreply 76January 25, 2023 1:29 AM

Good for her.

by Anonymousreply 1January 24, 2023 7:53 AM

The only thing I find interesting about her is that she married Christian Bale's dad.

by Anonymousreply 2January 24, 2023 9:10 AM

She always seemed like a spokesperson rather than someone who actually thought for a living.

by Anonymousreply 3January 24, 2023 9:25 AM

She’s so elitist and arrogant. She doesn’t help anyone she just wants to be on tv.

by Anonymousreply 4January 24, 2023 9:36 AM

[quote]Am I the only one who never cared for her? She always seemed like a poser, totally out of touch.

OP = Betty Friedan

by Anonymousreply 5January 24, 2023 11:10 AM

R5 can’t read.

by Anonymousreply 6January 24, 2023 11:21 AM

I don't really have an opinion either way, but I do remember reading some of the popular quotes floating around are out of context or incorrect with orgin. One that comes to mind is "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle". Steinman claims that quote is incorrectly attributed to her (it was said by an earlier feminist, which was a play on another quote “A man without faith is like a fish without a bicycle”, coined by Charles S. Harris).

It's very easy now a days to take snips from old writings or speeches and make a person sound extreme. Without context, anything can be twisted... I don't think that a woman that has said many things like "A feminist is anyone who recognizes the equality and full humanity of women and men" is after men or hates them. Nor would it make her a hypocrite to be with men.

by Anonymousreply 7January 24, 2023 11:39 AM

I like her - and she's from another era. I like "public intellectuals". USA has never had enough of them, and she was sorta one. We shouldn't tear them down, rather disagree with them. That's old fashioned as well - nuanced debate. Everything is not a binary.

by Anonymousreply 8January 24, 2023 11:47 AM

The earlier feminists all killed each off.

by Anonymousreply 9January 24, 2023 11:54 AM

I question her taste in friends, if that's what's happening. Or maybe one of them called the paparazzi for a well-timed picture of casual and incidentally well-connected acquaintances.

by Anonymousreply 10January 24, 2023 12:04 PM

The Duchess probably glommed on to Steinem, who doesn't really know who she is. There is not reporting that they are BFFs, is there?

Typing words does not equal facts.

by Anonymousreply 11January 24, 2023 12:36 PM

I find her depressing. Nearly 90 years old and still chasing clout. Not that one need live under a rock after a certain age, but when does enough become enough?

by Anonymousreply 12January 24, 2023 12:56 PM

How is she still chasing clout? Where? I must have missed this.

by Anonymousreply 13January 24, 2023 12:59 PM

I live in Wisconsin. Steinem was a good friend of someone I knew who lived in my same small town.

I've met her twice.

This'll rankle Steinem's critics, but read it and weep because it's true. She's no "poser". She walks the walk.

I know because my friend was an activist here in Wisconsin. He was gay and was involved in a lot of progressive causes. If he was promoting a cause and he though her presence would help, she'd show- up and put in some actual work.

And that was whether there were cameras there or not.

I can understand why she's not everybody's cup of tea. She's not a naturally out-going person. In fact, when I was around her she was aloof. And no, I didn't try to be too familiar with her. She was all business and focused on her role and activity.

I gather, just from my estimation, that Steinem is one of those famous persons who has lots and lots of friends from all walks of life because they share activist causes. I know that seems contradictory to her aloofness but that's what I think.

Steinem has been famous, and been around famous people, most of her adult life. She's developed an ability to size-up someone fairly quickly.

She's taken Markle's measure and knows who she is dealing with.

by Anonymousreply 14January 24, 2023 1:23 PM

Womankind is forever indebted to Gloria for having advanced the cause of aviator glasses and concho belts.

by Anonymousreply 15January 24, 2023 1:29 PM

DL has really become MRA Central lately

by Anonymousreply 16January 24, 2023 1:39 PM

One can never be too feminist or too thin.

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by Anonymousreply 17January 24, 2023 1:40 PM

Like so many people, Steinem became a caricature of herself.

by Anonymousreply 18January 24, 2023 1:41 PM

R16 = Gloria

by Anonymousreply 19January 24, 2023 4:37 PM

I never liked the aviators on her.

by Anonymousreply 20January 24, 2023 4:46 PM

I lost interest when she shitted all over Mrs. America because it didn’t line up with her vision of all women being feminists at the time of the ERA.

by Anonymousreply 21January 24, 2023 5:07 PM

You mean shat?

by Anonymousreply 22January 24, 2023 5:24 PM

That doesn't seem to quite be it r21. She's talking more about tokenism.

The way straight homophobes are the ones with the actual power to take our rights away, but they adore a Milo or a George Santos or anyone else who can be set up to make it look like gays themselves don't want any civil rights.

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by Anonymousreply 23January 24, 2023 5:29 PM

The brand of masculinity that Steinem disparaged WAS AND IS A DISEASE. And it’s after effects are ONGOING.

by Anonymousreply 24January 24, 2023 6:04 PM

I think she was one of the better white women feminists. She included black women and stayed in the background, at times.

IMO, Jane Fonda seems more dubious as far as living the life that she's preaching. She comes out slowly with all these revelations that belie her earlier stances. Jane seems more male-identified than Gloria, IMO.

by Anonymousreply 25January 24, 2023 6:16 PM

Years ago I had to work with her and she was, well, extremely difficult. Given that this concerned an article in a major publication, she seemed to feel that every word about her was of supreme importance and her only concern was that others would see her as the Joan of Arc of her time. Her ego was far bigger than her reality.

by Anonymousreply 26January 24, 2023 6:22 PM

[quote] The brand of masculinity that Steinem disparaged WAS AND IS A DISEASE.

Fuck off, frau.

by Anonymousreply 27January 24, 2023 6:25 PM

Uh oh, MRAs activated!

by Anonymousreply 28January 24, 2023 6:28 PM

[quote] The brand of masculinity that Steinem disparaged WAS AND IS A DISEASE.

Wrong. And masculinity is responsible for the greatest inventions and art in history. Gloria is as nuts as his mother. Men don’t have to start acting like women. Gloria turned feminism into a therapy session.

by Anonymousreply 29January 24, 2023 6:28 PM

You know who built the pyramids? A man! Or maybe aliens. Male aliens!

by Anonymousreply 30January 24, 2023 6:32 PM

OP, you sly puss.

by Anonymousreply 31January 24, 2023 6:34 PM

I was a theatre manager in DC. She came quite often and was very friendly. One evening while I was chatting with her, a woman approached and said: “Didn’t you USED to be Gloria Steinem”?

by Anonymousreply 32January 24, 2023 6:44 PM

Elder gay here who understands that activists like Steinem made it BETTER FOR ALL OF US.

I don't give a fuck about the cathedrals and pyramids built on slave labor. You can build and create without warfare and slaughter. Steinem understood that late capitalism depends on marginalizing groups of people to keep them docile and afraid.

by Anonymousreply 33January 24, 2023 6:45 PM

[quote] I don't give a fuck about the cathedrals and pyramids built on slave labor.

What? You can appreciate the beauty of the cathedrals and pyramids and still acknowledge that the people who built them were not compensated fairly for their work.

by Anonymousreply 34January 24, 2023 6:50 PM

What r33 said.

Still, I didn't need Steinem's permission to feel sympathy for Monica Lewinsky.

Months after the Clinton Lewinsky "scandal" broke, but it was still blazin' hot, Steinem gave a speech and said the attacks on Lewinsky are wrong and had to stop.

From second one, the moment Lewinsky's young face and brunette hair appeared on the national morning "Breaking News" breathlessly reported by Tom Brokaw, or, whoever it was, I felt instant, deep sympathy for Lewinsky.

I knew, right then and there, that for the rest of her life, she would be notorious and a target of undeserved ridicule.

I was correct about that. I think Steinem waited too long to say what she said in defense of Lewinsky.

by Anonymousreply 35January 24, 2023 6:57 PM

Prior to her speech on Lewinsky, she defended Clinton against the accusations he was facing coming just short of calling his accusers liars. Was she truly supportive of Lewinsky or cleaning up her own image? The Republican hypocrisy and the circus they created was execrable. That being said, Clinton degraded himself and the office with his actions. Steinem should have thought twice before speaking in defense of him.

by Anonymousreply 36January 24, 2023 7:25 PM

R36, I agree with you and I write this as someone who eagerly voted for Clinton twice, Hillary once and would vote for either or both of them again.

The entire fault of that now quaint-seeming episode belongs to Bill Clinton, as he himself says in his biography.

And not to that young, helplessly besotted woman.

Now cue the stone- throwers who want to to talk about her blue dress and thong.

So fucking what. Whatever she did or didn’t do with regard to Clinton, bottom line, it was his responsibility to not even start up with her.

by Anonymousreply 37January 24, 2023 7:48 PM

Not the young, besotted woman, but I would also add in Ken Starr, Linda Tripp and the whole fucking bullshit regime that is Republican "morality" in Washington. The Clintons, him especially but her also, did not behave well, but what really wrecked her life was Ken Starr and that completely bogus "Get Clinton for something, anything at all" investigation.

by Anonymousreply 38January 24, 2023 7:51 PM

Bill Clinton was at fault, absolutely. And I think he was, for the most part, a good president but that was a horrible error in judgement. As soon as Monica flashed her thong at him he should've had her transferred out of the White House immediately and had no contact with her.

That being said, the Republicans behaved abominably regarding that whole affair. They were totally disgraceful.

by Anonymousreply 39January 24, 2023 7:52 PM

Kenneth Starr was total scum. He had a pathological hatred of Clinton that bordered on mental instability. He should've been removed from his position.

by Anonymousreply 40January 24, 2023 7:53 PM

Of course Ken Starr was ultimately removed from his position, but not that one. Removed from president of Baylor University for covering up RAPE, cause that is Republican morality. The earnest defense of innocent womanhood simply doesn't matter when it comes to girls raped by football players. Cause Jesus or some shit.

by Anonymousreply 41January 24, 2023 7:59 PM

Steinem killed feminism. She turned it into a joke. She’s an elitist snob.

by Anonymousreply 42January 24, 2023 8:43 PM

She really did nothing to counteract the perception that the feminist movement was by and for upper class white women. That was a big problem.

by Anonymousreply 43January 24, 2023 8:45 PM

Are you a woman, r42/OP?

by Anonymousreply 44January 24, 2023 8:48 PM

If you tear down and cancel all the public intellectuals on the left..... Well, you're not going to like the result.

by Anonymousreply 45January 24, 2023 8:55 PM

[quote] Prior to her speech on Lewinsky, she defended Clinton against the accusations he was facing coming just short of calling his accusers liars.

Of course she did. Gloria Steinem was CIA. The husband of California's Lt Governor sweeps it under the run as youthful idealism.

Pacifica Radio isn't as forgiving.

PRA Archive #: AZ1108 Description:

"Kathie Sarachild is interviewed on KPFA's "Unlearning to not speak" program by Susan Elisabeth. Sarachild is a member of the Redstockings radical feminist group which has just published a "warning" that Gloria Steinem and MS Magazine (Steinem is editor) may be fronts for the CIA and powers that be to block progress on feminist issues such as the exploitation of women. Focus is on Steinem's political history since the 1960s and her association with the Independent Research Service, which is believed to have been used by the CIA to block Communist youth activities in Finland and in Europe. Suspicions and warnings are being published in the Redstockings Journal. Other articles are cited in other publications on this issue. Produced by Susan Elisabeth. Outro with music".

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by Anonymousreply 46January 24, 2023 9:00 PM

She turned women into victims. She loves the spotlight and made millions from it. Now that second wave feminism is dead, she has no idea what to do. She was catapulted because she was one of the few “feminists” that weren’t butt ugly. Betty Friedan was no oil painting.

by Anonymousreply 47January 24, 2023 9:02 PM

[quote]OP: Am I the only one who never cared for her?

For decades, she's been hated with the intensity of a thousand suns by the Christian Right and conservatives everywhere.

Is there something you wanna tell us about yourself, OP?

by Anonymousreply 48January 24, 2023 9:07 PM

Had a friend that worked for her about 10 years ago and she apparently did a ton of work that got no publicity whatsoever and she did it all for free. Traveled to small towns to give lectures for free, helped edit random books for free, etc. etc. etc. Agree with the poster above that said she walked the walk. I forget the specific examples my friend gave, but it was impressive. She’s not wealthy by any means. He said she was very scattered, but extremely generous.

He recently heard that she has dementia.

I always liked her based on his experience working for her.

by Anonymousreply 49January 24, 2023 9:12 PM

R43 Not true. Steinem often went on speaking engagements with Florence Kennedy, a black civil rights lawyer. People thought it bizarre that a black and white 'lady' traveled together.

by Anonymousreply 50January 24, 2023 9:19 PM

Here's Gloria's 2010 NYT article about Clinton. Sorry, I have a hard time understanding what she's saying. I'll have to reread it. I guess she's saying that Bill wasn't as bad as others and that feminists need not jump ship on Bill.

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by Anonymousreply 51January 24, 2023 9:35 PM

Sorry, that's a 1998 article (op-ed) by Steinem, posted at R51.

by Anonymousreply 52January 24, 2023 9:38 PM

Gloria's 2017 explanation of her 1998 position.

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by Anonymousreply 53January 24, 2023 9:38 PM

Any pro abortion democrat is entitled to one free rape or sexual harassment case -- Gloria

by Anonymousreply 54January 24, 2023 9:43 PM

R53 I'm a Steinem fan but that article is certainly disturbing. She chooses not to understand what sexual harassment is. She thinks that because Paula Jones said 'no' when her boss dropped his pants and her boss Clinton obliged, she wasn't being harassed. WRONG.

On the other hand this should make Steinem a hero on DL.

by Anonymousreply 55January 24, 2023 9:50 PM

Paula Jones alleged that Bill "asked her to perform oral sex and even dropped his trousers."

"CNN polls taken right after Ms. Willey's interview on '60 Minutes' showed that more Americans believed her than President Clinton." That's pretty incredible, for that time.

Glo said that Bill's "accused" of making a "pass" (ugh) at Paula, acknowledges it was a "low point" in Paula's life, then said that's not sexual harassment.

[quote] The truth is that even if the allegations are true, the President is not guilty of sexual harassment. He is accused of having made a gross, dumb and reckless pass at a supporter during a low point in her life. She pushed him away, she said, and it never happened again. In other words, President Clinton took 'no' for an answer.

I never knew the history of this.

by Anonymousreply 56January 24, 2023 10:08 PM

r47/OP, you didn't answer my question. Are you a woman?

by Anonymousreply 57January 24, 2023 10:23 PM

She once was a playboy bunny.

by Anonymousreply 58January 24, 2023 10:33 PM

Major pussy hound. Big Bush supporter.

by Anonymousreply 59January 24, 2023 10:35 PM

Gloria Steinway

by Anonymousreply 60January 24, 2023 10:46 PM

Jesus your are a 4 star dunce OP. Activist, writer, editor, philanthropist and one of the most pivotal people of her time. Suggest you educate and inform yourself and a lot of the brain dead posters who think they’re being witty?

DL can so depress at times.

Ignorance and no idea of why gay men and lesbians have come as far as they have oust WW2. So, so ignorant.

I don’t agree with all and every thing she advocated, wrote, lobbied and worked for. But my God she is a great woman.

by Anonymousreply 61January 24, 2023 10:58 PM

“Since” not oust- weird auto correct

by Anonymousreply 62January 24, 2023 11:00 PM

r61 -

[quote]DL can so depress at times.

Only if you let it, Charlie. The trolls we've been getting recently are so blatant as to be laughable (and that includes OP).

by Anonymousreply 63January 24, 2023 11:05 PM

She looks so frail there. Oy.

by Anonymousreply 64January 24, 2023 11:07 PM

Charlie has sand in his vagina again. Aren’t you tired of being outed as an idiot, hon? The amount of egg on your face could make a good omelette.

by Anonymousreply 65January 24, 2023 11:13 PM

CIA cunt.

by Anonymousreply 66January 24, 2023 11:13 PM

[quote] But my God she is a great woman.

MARY!

by Anonymousreply 67January 24, 2023 11:14 PM

Check out OP's other posts and get back to me.

by Anonymousreply 68January 24, 2023 11:18 PM

Good lord Charlie is such a windbag.

by Anonymousreply 69January 24, 2023 11:34 PM

Kirstie was a hotter Gloria

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by Anonymousreply 70January 24, 2023 11:41 PM

Four sentences exhaust you r69? Are you Roxanne?

by Anonymousreply 71January 25, 2023 12:26 AM

Exhaust? No. Calling out a prissy Mary? Yes.

by Anonymousreply 72January 25, 2023 12:29 AM

Lay off Charlie.

He’s added more to the DL than any of you could ever.

by Anonymousreply 73January 25, 2023 12:30 AM

You know, honestly, charlie, I'd be curious what exactly you don't agree with her about, in terms of actual policies and advocacy. My guess is most of the feminist program of the 1970s is pretty much standard these days, despite all the shrieking and howling. Even abortion, which was often the most controversial part. Most Americans are pro-choice. Some restrictions, but the idea that it is always a terrible horrifying sin and crime is very much a minority position.

by Anonymousreply 74January 25, 2023 12:42 AM

R55 and R56, historically, Steinem was correct. When the concept of sexual harassment was first identified, its definition included a pattern of behavior, not a single unwanted sexual overture. I'm not sure that, legally, even today, it would be "harassment." Any HR DL-ers here who were around back then?

by Anonymousreply 75January 25, 2023 12:48 AM

Gloria, don't you think you're falling? If everybody wants you, why isn't anybody calling?

by Anonymousreply 76January 25, 2023 1:29 AM
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