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Is 40 too old for a woman to marry rich man?

Out of boredom, I watched a video about high value men. The comments were very sexist and spoke about women being worthless once they're past their sell by date, and that no "high value male" would marry an older woman when he could have a younger, fresh woman.

Who exactly are high value men? Do they not realize that they age too, and will go bald/need viagra?

I read that at 40, a woman can get a rich guy, but only an old rich guy--like Al Pacino's age. No rich man her own age will want her. That's crazy to me. There's a huge difference between 40 and 80. Just because somebody's early middle aged, it doesn't put them in the same category as a geriatric nursing home man.

by Anonymousreply 96January 27, 2023 3:34 AM

go watch the Golden Girls and move on.

Really, though, it's better the hussy up your ailing gran on a luxury cruise and destinations, just keep her away from the cabana boys... make sure you've become her certified caretaker and then wait for both the old buzzards to kick it while building up your interest.

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by Anonymousreply 1January 23, 2023 2:37 PM
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by Anonymousreply 2January 23, 2023 2:38 PM

Ask Jerry Hall

by Anonymousreply 3January 23, 2023 2:38 PM

I can't imagine being 50-60 and still being obsessed with fucking the hottest youngest chicks. I'm only 30 now and it's not THAT exciting anymore. Stability and compatibility and security are a much bigger priority for me. I can't imagine what being rich or famous is like though. I could see it being difficult to really trust anyone's intentions. In that case, openly transactional relationships might be less stressful.

by Anonymousreply 4January 23, 2023 2:41 PM

There are definitely plenty of rich men who marry and stay married for love - but online manosphere types aren't fantasizing about being like them. They're fantasizing about being a cheap braggart like Andrew Tate or Donald Trump. Ever since Tate and FreshAndFit blew up the trad thing seems to be less popular among online incel types.

by Anonymousreply 5January 23, 2023 2:44 PM

high value

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by Anonymousreply 6January 23, 2023 2:45 PM

r5 Sweetie, buy a vibrator, see a therapist.

Your theories aren't based in reality.

Yes, there's a segment of the popular like that but if you're constantly running into that then try dating men your own age rather than chasing down teenage boys.

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by Anonymousreply 7January 23, 2023 2:46 PM

^ popular = population

by Anonymousreply 8January 23, 2023 2:47 PM

fraus over value men

they think so little of themselves, they've become bitter and hysterical.

they try and try to psychoanalyze men in a bid to explain their own shortcomings

and rather than seek to improve themselves

their world is centered on penis envy.

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by Anonymousreply 9January 23, 2023 2:50 PM

[quote]Ask Jerry Hall

Or Buzz Aldrin's dewy new bride

by Anonymousreply 10January 23, 2023 2:50 PM

If were going by social theories and social media, women are low value.

They're often morbidly obese, self centered and general the most miserable creatures on earth...

nothing brings them happiness and the doves cry.

While they can't shutup about how they rate in comparison to men, their sworn enemy, there's one distraction.... high valued women. It's what they're actually angry at.. the women that get those men. And often it's in the language they accuse the males of using to degrade them. They believe these women are dickmatized whores and talk of how they pride themselves for not being for men. So, in their estimation there is no value in being high value.. that the highest, greatest, ideal of womanhood is the be a grotesque, undesirable (socially, physically) slob.

by Anonymousreply 11January 23, 2023 2:58 PM

R9 and I hate the stupid manspreading thing as if it's sexist somehow. It's physiological. Men have narrower hips so their knees fall out. Women have wider hips so their knees fall in. It's as simple as that. Holding your legs together is more work for a man that it is a woman. Women ARE so obsessed with men.

by Anonymousreply 12January 23, 2023 2:58 PM

DL or Return of Kings? Who can tell?!

by Anonymousreply 13January 23, 2023 3:00 PM

^ but attract women lose their womanhood for not appearing like a slob. . . these women are treated as if they are trans. They are traitors to the sex that only seek to destroy the sisterhood and lure them into service of the cock. (see lesbians and the hatred and paranoia towards bisexual women, too.)

by Anonymousreply 14January 23, 2023 3:01 PM

r12

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by Anonymousreply 15January 23, 2023 3:01 PM

OP you must be relatively new to the world. It is all biological and comes down to the ability to have children. High value men tend to be on the egocentric side and like the idea of having children will into their 60, 70s and sometimes 80s. A 60 year old woman could never have a child unless he lived in a lab. So any human beings value, biologically goes down when they are past procreating age. We are just hardwired that way. So this happens for women a lot sooner than it does men.

by Anonymousreply 16January 23, 2023 3:02 PM

^^^ case in point:

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by Anonymousreply 17January 23, 2023 3:02 PM

women are the bestest, most perfects, virtuous, fuck equality

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by Anonymousreply 18January 23, 2023 3:09 PM

A rich man might not want a trophy whore who can easily bear children. That's the easiest way a broad can hook a rich sugar daddy for life.

Plus, older women tend to have more experience, wisdom, and confidence. She'll be more interesting company for a man of accomplishment, and a better date at social functions. Remember how awful Julia Roberts was at that polo match in "Pretty Woman?" A classy escort would've fit in much better.

And plenty of 40 year-old women are in fantastic shape, and throw an even better fuck than any 20 year-old could ever imagine.

by Anonymousreply 19January 23, 2023 3:13 PM

^when I was a kid in the 1980s it was a huge deal to put a 40! old woman on the cover of a magazine. I forget, it was Cheryl Tiegs or someone. Science that has led to women being able to have viable births into their 40s and 50s have given them more longevity, but it's not equal to a man's quite yet. The ravages that birthing a human has on the body won't permit it.

In the map of human history, feminism is a blip on the radar of 10s of thousands of years of human biological coding. Even in this most advanced human eras of all time a "beauty makeover" is nothing more than making a woman look her most fertile - pronounced full eyes (eye shadow, lashes), flush cheeks (blush), smooth skin (foundation) and rosy lips (lipstick).

by Anonymousreply 20January 23, 2023 3:18 PM

[quote]Women ARE so obsessed with men.

R12? By the looks of this thread, it's gay men who are obsessed with women!

I'm a lesbian (and therefore more attentive to women in general) and even I don't know why I bothered to read this thread. Is it a parody of some kind?

by Anonymousreply 21January 23, 2023 3:23 PM

R21 Dump the misogyny, Liz.

Try to answer it from your own perspective, then. Maybe consider whether 40 is too old for a woman to marry a rich lesbian. It happens!

by Anonymousreply 22January 23, 2023 3:26 PM

Shit, I meant misandry. Goddamn vodka!

by Anonymousreply 23January 23, 2023 3:26 PM

The only reason that this is seen as a thing women do more often than men is that historically women have had to seek men to obtain security.

These days, you can see plenty of male gold diggers among both gay and straight people.

If ALL you have to offer is your looks, then 40 is too old for men or women. If you actually have something else to offer, then you will have other options.

by Anonymousreply 24January 23, 2023 3:27 PM

R7 I’m a 30 yo male. You seem cool though

by Anonymousreply 25January 23, 2023 3:56 PM

From a lazy survey of my straight friends and acquaintances, off the top of my head, most of the "high-value" (financially stable with generally good hygiene and fitness) straight men in the forty-ish range are married to women around the same age, or dating (admittedly skewing a few years younger there).

None of them are consistently dating young women, and even then, it's usually someone they met through a professional/academic network. None are dating hot young things for breeding stock.

Most of the "high-value" women (also 40-ish) are dating or married to men around their own age as well. There are more single straight women that come to mind than single men, but most of them seem content that way, at least as far as I know them.

After 35, in general, emotionally-secure people value emotional and intellectual companionship at least as much as sex. The people who live on those websites, I'm assuming, are tragically young and awkward, and operating entirely from theory about what other straight men think they should want from women, rather than experience of actually having a partner. Like incel Bridgerton.

All fo which makes me endlessly grateful now that I never had cause to seek out the tutelage of straight men on relationships. However much my 20-year-old self occasionally lamented the fact.

by Anonymousreply 26January 23, 2023 4:03 PM

r22 It's only a gay site to fraus and dykes when it says something negative about females... show them the door and then it's a site for everybody and the faggles are just a minority along with the usual speeches of how much we owe them for aids/hiv, stonewall (storme), the entire movement because faggles are pathetic and how dare you align yourself with str8 men, they hate you, while we wuv you (to eat the corn out of our shit)

by Anonymousreply 27January 23, 2023 4:04 PM
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by Anonymousreply 28January 23, 2023 4:06 PM
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by Anonymousreply 29January 23, 2023 4:08 PM

Jef Bezos' s new sweetheart for whom he left first wife is 53 yo. So, yes it is possible if you have special skills OP.

by Anonymousreply 30January 23, 2023 4:13 PM

And Bezos is only few years older than her, so it is not the Murdoch case when rich guy is 90.

by Anonymousreply 31January 23, 2023 4:14 PM
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by Anonymousreply 32January 23, 2023 4:15 PM
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by Anonymousreply 33January 23, 2023 4:16 PM

PCU is the best fucking movie ever.

by Anonymousreply 34January 23, 2023 4:21 PM

OP, the terms "high-value men" and "low value men" are frequently used by incels to describe themselves and compare themselves with other straight men. These young men are unable to attract a female partner, and they think the reason is mostly because of their looks. (In actuality, some incels aren't unattractive, and anyway, women aren't so hung up on looks when selecting a mate. It's usually the incel's social awkwardness and hostile body language that turns off women.)

An incel considers himself "low-value" if he is short, prematurely balding, facially ugly, fat, and/or earning a low salary.

Incels obsessively rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10. They rate other men's looks as well as women's looks. Even if they rate themselves to be a 2 or 3, they still will not date a woman they deem to be less than a 7. "I have standards, and I cannot lower them" is a common refrain. But they expect women to lower their standards. They're not really looking for a compatible partner but rather a trophy that will make other men jealous of them.

by Anonymousreply 35January 23, 2023 4:22 PM

I agree with R26, the vast majority of “high value” men I know marry “appropriately” - a woman of similar accomplishment (though usually with the tacit understanding that she will ramp her career down somewhat when it’s time to have kids) and usually from roughly the same social background.

by Anonymousreply 36January 23, 2023 4:35 PM

All the straight men want to date women 20 years younger than them...even if they don't want any/more children. It's been like that forever. That's why everyone is fussing over Keanu; his girlfriend is age-appropriate for him. Straight men will stay with a woman who makes them miserable if she's "hawt". In the 80s and 90s, there was an epidemic of 40-something men dumping their long-time wives for a woman in her 20s. Betty Broderick might have put a damper on that, but it seems to have calmed down.

Why do so many women choose old, fat, bald rich men instead of hot young hunks? Obviously, women aren't so obsessed with the looks of their partner. You could say that biology pushes them to seek a man who will provide well for her and for any potential kids. But then, why not choose a young, physically strong man over an older, weaker man who's rich. It sets up women to be their spouse's caretaker while the woman is in middle age, and it sets up the wife to be a decades-long window.

You would think that this behavior would settle a little bit now that women are more educated than men on the whole, and the wage gap is closing. Society is becoming more critical of age gaps. (On reddit, people will call a 38-year-old with a 21-year-old a groomer.)

by Anonymousreply 37January 23, 2023 4:38 PM

Are you lost, OP?

[quote]Is 40 too old for a woman to marry rich man?

Oh dear.

by Anonymousreply 38January 23, 2023 4:40 PM

Why do people keep saying women don't care about looks when they absolutely care just as much as men? Also, women marrying old rich guys are probably not going to stick around long enough to be a caretaker when the time comes.

by Anonymousreply 39January 23, 2023 5:01 PM

R39 If he's rich, she can hire paid help while she hangs out by the pool and does coke off Javier's flawless abs.

by Anonymousreply 40January 23, 2023 5:07 PM

R37 Keanu is still 10 years older than his girlfriend.

by Anonymousreply 41January 23, 2023 5:21 PM

yes you are to fucking old to marry a rich man OP! you're a fucking whore!

Rich men want young, tight pussies, not loose grand canyon hole like yours.

by Anonymousreply 42January 23, 2023 5:26 PM

Women have fought long and hard for the right to make and keep their own money and not have to sell themselves to men. So fuck off with your parasitic fantasies.

by Anonymousreply 43January 23, 2023 5:49 PM

[quote]But then, why not choose a young, physically strong man over an older, weaker man who's rich.

Because r37 Money is power and security in this day and age, not actual physical strength. That hasn't been the case for over 100 years.

by Anonymousreply 44January 23, 2023 5:58 PM

Ask a stupid question and you get a stupid answer: of course. There are no rules.

by Anonymousreply 45January 23, 2023 6:00 PM

I work in the financial industry and attended a seminar given by the MIT AgeLab that does research in age demographics, etc. One interesting tidbit from that seminar was that straight women in the their 50's are leaving their husband in higher and higher rates each year. It's funny, it used to be men who took off around middle age. Now, it is women who send their last kid off to college and decide their husband is dead weight. Many women make as much as their husband (or, enough to be comfortable) and there is no stigma to divorce as there was in the past. Plus, many are so happy once they leave that they no longer seek male companionship. Makes me wonder how many straight women over age 40 would even care about what 'value' is being assigned to them.

by Anonymousreply 46January 23, 2023 6:04 PM

There are so many elephants in this room it's hard to maneuver

These "high value men" aren't marrying young women out of the gate. They usually have married someone age appropriate when they were in their 20s, early 30s, have raised families and have gotten divorces. It's when they have gotten the divorce and they are in their prime earning years late 40s / 50s that they want the Trophy wife and only date younger. And eventually the tropy wife will want kids too if she's around long enough.

Women don't want to be equal with men in my opinion. They want all of the good things that being a man means but none of the negative - like having to continually set yourself up for rejection when looking for mate for one, and the overall societal burden that you are financially responsible for your entire family and you're not a man if you don't take care of them. The societal burden to be rich and successful. The burden of having to be physically strong and able to protect everyone around you. One of my favorite lines a friend told me he thinks when he goes out with his girlfriend - "please don't make me be a man..." Meaning please don't make me have to defend your honor because I'll get my ass kicked.

Having said this, women have the option to marry rich. I learned this very early on with "activist" classmates of mine back in the day. Everyone is down for the cause until real life hits. The men who stuck with it ended up leading poor lives. The women ended up "falling in love" with someone who made a salary and have some kids and show up to "activist" events in support. Men, that is GAY men don't have this option. I even had a friend who threw Lesbian parties in Brooklyn, was well known in the community who is now married with two kids to an older husband. You can be a gay gold digger. But any wealth man who is the type attracted to a gold digger has enough money to trade them out every ten years or so. There are very few fairytell life long rich endings for men as there are compared to women - because women can lock the financials down with a baby.

I would have loved to have had the option to really focus on landing a rich husband as a source of security and supplemental IF not full income. Working in the field that I do, I can't tell you how many women I know who are millionaires with barely a college education. That would be close to impossible for a man, unless he inherited his wealth.

Rich woman driving around in a 200K car. "What do you do for a living?" "I'm married!"

by Anonymousreply 47January 23, 2023 6:19 PM

R47 pretends to be an expert on women. Must be one of those MRA/incels from reddit

by Anonymousreply 48January 23, 2023 6:22 PM

Plenty of men, historically, have married for money. Any society that allows for heiresses has always seen plenty of men marry for money. It was pretty much a given in aristocratic circles for centuries. At some point, it was some wastrel's "job" to find a rich girl and marry her.

It is true that in the U.S. it's generally men who have made and controlled the money, so more women than men have married for money. But it's silly to pretend that women all just naturally want to do that and men all nobly refuse such a horrid idea.

by Anonymousreply 49January 23, 2023 6:32 PM

^^^ John Kerry and John McCain come to mind.....

by Anonymousreply 50January 23, 2023 7:07 PM

I think older men looking for an actual relationship of substance aren't like that -- "high value" or not. MIL is with a wealthy guy, same age (around 60). My mother (58) is newly widowed and has been bombarded by men her age, looking for mature female company.

Honestly, older men shouldn't be pumping out kids either BTW. Just because they can, doesn't mean they should, nor does it mean they all want that. Sperm degrades over time. I remember seeing that at least 30% of IVF cases were due to male only fertility issues, but they only wanted a kid that was theirs, so they had their spouse go through IVF instead of simply getting a sperm donation.

by Anonymousreply 51January 23, 2023 7:11 PM

R47 how much do you think women make off child support, that you think all these women are pulling that off? My sister gets $200 a month (his choice to break relationship and never see his kid again). There's % caps based on income. It's not like there's oodles of wealthy guys going around. ​

"In 2022, what was the threshold for the top 10% individual income in the United States? The top 10% of individual earnings started at $132,676 in the United States in 2022.".

Yeah, not exactly worth getting knocked up by a guy you don't care for, just for what? Maybe 10k a year at most.

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by Anonymousreply 52January 23, 2023 7:22 PM

R47 I can't find a good link now, but I remember reading that something like only 5% of Americans are able to break out of the socioeconomic class they were born into. That includes everything from marriage to getting lucky, and all class mobility (even poverty to middle class). A majority of people marry within their class, so I'm not buying that you know all these female millionaires, made only through marriage. You say you wish you had that option -- well I'm sure 99% of women do too. It's nothing but a myth that poor women are being raised out of poverty by all these rich guys -- again, out of what? The >1% ? Because that's what a millionaire would be in. ​

I'm starting to think some of our economic struggles in this country are not being solved due to that sort of thinking, with millionaires being considered common, instead of the reality that's rare. Americans have been sold a lie, especially young men. Same old story of making the poorest angry with the wrong target. Young men are being fed BS that all their problems are from their financial status, without being told their opportunities to lead a nice, average life were stolen decades ago. That no, women aren't doing any better because they supposedly all sponge off (rare) rich dudes. Most of us are stuck in the shit stew together.

by Anonymousreply 53January 23, 2023 7:44 PM

R53, you said, "Young men are being fed BS that all their problems are from their financial status, without being told their opportunities to lead a nice, average life were stolen decades ago. " Who exactly stole young men's opportunities for a nice life? The incels will say that the feminists stole it by wanting to work rather than stay home barefoot and pregnant.

by Anonymousreply 54January 23, 2023 7:56 PM

40 isn't considered old nowadays.

by Anonymousreply 55January 23, 2023 7:58 PM

"High value" men (if you buy such nonsense) usually follow the pattern:

- marry in mid-20s at the start of their careers.

- divorce first wife and marry bimbo second wife in 40s.

- divorce bimbo second wife when he realizes she's a gold digger, cheating, or both.

- either marry someone else's castoff first wife in their 50s or never marry again and keep dating gold diggers in their 20s.

by Anonymousreply 56January 23, 2023 8:09 PM

To the MRA's in this thread... You do realize that you're on a website for gay men, right?

by Anonymousreply 57January 23, 2023 8:13 PM

Looks like Jordan Peterson has weighed in at r11.

by Anonymousreply 58January 23, 2023 8:37 PM

[quote] yes it is possible if you have special skills OP.

...and even if you don't.

by Anonymousreply 59January 23, 2023 8:45 PM

By 40 it is unlikely that anyone is getting married for the first time.

by Anonymousreply 60January 23, 2023 9:02 PM

r58 Oh, you only know one name. You poor thing. Jordan does not own the universe and quite frankly, wouldn't possess those kind of nuanced views. Why don't you go fap to his crying videos and call it a day.

by Anonymousreply 61January 23, 2023 9:05 PM

I actually knew a fortyish woman who married a very wealthy man. And she wasn't model-thin, she wasn't beautiful, her hair was beginning to gray, and I never saw her wear anything but plain casual clothes and minimal makeup.

She was just a lovely person - nice, intelligent, kind, supportive, funny, etc. Just a lovely person to spend time with, and I wish I'd kept in touch with her after I moved out of that area.

by Anonymousreply 62January 23, 2023 9:37 PM

Why is R46 telling us they work in the financial sector? What bearing does that have on the rest of their contribution?

Is that like saying "I ran over Ellen DeGeneres with my Lexus," or "I was having lunch at Spago when I totally figured out a cure for cancer?"

by Anonymousreply 63January 23, 2023 9:57 PM

If we look at the majority of divorces from mega wealthy, when he does leave her for another woman.. it's usually because she became a frau. . . has very little identity outside of her husband. It's not even the socialite types.. that at least have a diverse range of causes. Then followed by the career professional, more likely to head to divorce if they share competing interests or work together.

The women that seem to last the longest are middle tier women, financially and socially independent, often obtained a master degree or higher, apolitical or apathetic to politics but not ignorant of politics or world events - just more lowkey when it comes to public politics, had more than ten years in the same field with promotion to highest levels but neither workaholics nor social butterflies. It's okay if they work in peripheral field but not in the same field and definitely not in the same major business, joint small business and investments are acceptable.

the fraus lose by the time the kids are grown; empty nest hits harder than bed death. . . but that rests on the contingency that the children become successful, are somewhat stable or have a legitimate reason for not being.

bimbos are a phase better rooted out in young adulthood, however, that often leads to settling with a trad. frau.

If we draw this out, the ideal second wife is between the ages of 27 and 45, and has largely been invested in her career for most of her life but maintains a good work/life balance that is not predicated by external demands, such as children, health or social causes. Largely a homebody type but not introverted, and doesn't attempt to parasitically merge with their partner in order to become a couple. They can survive independently, even vacation separately but enjoy spending time together for more than awards and dinner parties. They also tend be kinkier than other couples... which probably denotes good communication and have awareness of their boundaries.

by Anonymousreply 64January 23, 2023 10:11 PM

R53, I am not saying all women do this. I am saying women in general have this as an option, as an escape plan, where as men do not. I am not even talking about millionaires. I am talking about successful men in general whose careers are their focus and they want a wife as a support. Women don't think that way, using a man as prop to support them. That are millions of men like that and not all of them are millionaires. And there are millions of women who want to marry a doctor, or a lawyer or someone who has a greater earning potential than they do. Most men never even factor the possibility of marrying someone with a greater earning potential than them when going through school.

Even very successful women for the most part want an equal, they don't want some man dedicated to just them at their side. They want someone equally if not more accomplished.

I worked in a high end luxury department store. So I saw a ton of these women and those who aspired to be like these women. I was more educated than these women. I made a decent six figure salary. But a good number of them didn't go to college but here they are flying private jets from Omaha to NYC wearing 200k in jewelry. They basically had 500k salaries for having children and raising them with help. Why do you think they call a kid a lock-down baby? By getting pregnant they have locked down a certain lifestyle they could not afford on their own merit. And even if you are not getting child support you are getting alimony. And even if the guy isn't a millionaire but making decent money, an extra $1500 a month from a divorce would definitely help in making ends meet.

by Anonymousreply 65January 23, 2023 10:12 PM

Basically a man will marry soemone way below his earning potential to the point of being unemployed and think nothing of it. That leaves a lot of opportunities for women to live a life they didn't earn on their own merit, education, resources outside of how they compliment the man.

Men marrying rich heiresses or the boss's daughter is a very rarified examples, as are gay men marrying very rich men long term.

Trust me, these girls aren't worrying about working hard in school to eventually be able to support a husband.

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by Anonymousreply 66January 23, 2023 10:31 PM

[Quote]Most men never even factor the possibility of marrying someone with a greater earning potential than them when going through school.[/Quote]

Some of my male law school classmates would differ R65...

by Anonymousreply 67January 23, 2023 10:43 PM

"[R53], I am not saying all women do this [get a man to support them]. I am saying women in general have this as an option, as an escape plan, where as men do not"

The truth of it is that far more women *think* they can get a man to support them, than there are straight men willing to support a wife or girlfriend. It sounds like you were in an environment where you saw an unusual number of them, R53, but for most women being supported is either not an option, or it's only a temporary option.

And IMHO the expectation of being supported is more of a trap for women than a benefit, because for every woman who's supported by her husband through the lifespan, is another who never got serious about a career because she expected someone to support her, and whose lifetime earning potential is consequently low, or someone who was left broke after her husband or boyfriend bugged out. No, men will only pay an expensive girlfriend's bills for a little while, and when it comes to divorces, alimony is a thing of the past.

by Anonymousreply 68January 23, 2023 10:55 PM

I am not saying it is good or bad R68. I am just saying that it happens often enough in the real world for it to be an option for women.

Listen, this has nothing to do with men are worker bees and women are lazy hangers out just looking for an easy life. I think MOST people would opt for an easier life financially if they could. I just think women take for granted the option of marriage as a means to do this, something a majority of men do not have. For the most part a man's life reflects the effort he has put into it for better or worse - whether through smarts, talent, theft, violence, illegal activities. He is not going to be handed anything for being pretty and available. Rich men through money at women like crazy. But maybe I lived in NYC too long. There, getting knocked up by some rich guy was part of some women's 401k plans.

These are the lyrics of to some of the most popular songs a young generation of women are singing to. And trust me it's not just hood rats. Becky from Nebraska is singing it too in her dorm.

"Wrist on glitter, waist on thinner / I'ma show you how to bag a eight-figure nigga / Face on my zaddy , / pockets on Jigga / You better get the card and make it swipe like tinder (phew)"

"You got a itty-bitty waist (huh?), pretty in the face / Never let a broke nigga take you on a date / Nah, haters can't relate, bitch, I've never been fake / I got a real nigga puttin' icing on my cake"

"Hit him with that good-good / Make a nigga act right / Broke boys don't deserve no pussy (I know that's right!)"

"He got some money, then that's where I'm headed / Pussy A-1, just like his credit / He got a beard, well, I'm tryna wet it I let him taste it, and now he diabetic"

by Anonymousreply 69January 23, 2023 11:38 PM

sorry for the spelling errors. It's 12:39 am here.

by Anonymousreply 70January 23, 2023 11:39 PM

Case in point. Smart girl working on Wall Street goes on dates to save money on groceries. Notice how they call the men who asked to split the check, cheapskates…

As a gay man, if a guy asked me out, I would never just assume he was going to pay. Nor would I be offended if he asked me to. That’s just how adults act.

Women a few more advantages than men than they’d care to admit. So if you’re a 40 year old woman who has a rich guy chasing you, go for it.

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by Anonymousreply 71January 24, 2023 12:28 AM

"I just think women take for granted the option of marriage as a means to do this, something a majority of men do not have."

You don't know many ordinary women, do you R53? Because like l said, for all the false hopes out there it's actually quite rare for women to be supported by a man or men over the long term, even those that have a baby by a rich man need to plan for what happens when the child support payments stop after 18 years. It's true, some women make a high-level career of that and you were in the unusual position of meeting a lot of them, but they're a tiny minority of women.

No, out here in the real world, young women are more and more aware of the economic disadvantages of heterosexual relationships, or at least the ones with education and intelligence are. So while a small number of women who have economically strategic relationships do well, but most women who go after men's money get little out of it except some free dinners, gifts, and dependent children that cost them everything they have. So the young women who have anything on the ball are very aware that they have to build their own economic future and not give up a damn thing for their man, no matter how the man in question feels about it. And straight men are pissed, it turns out that a lot of them would actually rather use money to establish a relationship, than be the kind of admirable person who deserves love and trust.

by Anonymousreply 72January 24, 2023 12:33 AM

OP is a really good example of how people let themselves get radicalized by social media algorithms.

"High value" men/women talk is part of the rightwing social media self-help grift. It tends to be targeted to black people and Latinos mostly but you see it everywhere, and it's just one part of this larger, over-arching "traditionalist" trend in rightwing social media.

You start watching this crap "out of boredom" and end up in a very dark place very quickly.

by Anonymousreply 73January 24, 2023 12:37 AM

When did all the MRA trolls start paying for accounts? We are still in Primetime, right? This thread is flooded with rightwing MRA trolls.

by Anonymousreply 74January 24, 2023 12:39 AM

Men from respectable families or intelligent men who came across money will look for more than youth and set of tits and tight ass. An educated attractive middle aged woman who can dress herself and have a charming and hostess personality will be sought out by intelligent and image-conscious older rich men who want companionship and stability.

by Anonymousreply 75January 24, 2023 12:51 AM

R64 Yes exactly. Many men want strong and intelligent women who can support themselves and hold a conversation (whether it's politics, art, sports and philosophy) outside of romance, housework and kids. A lot of women buy into the mumbo-jumbo that men are intimidated by intelligence and there's always a sell-by date. That's just what women say to put other women down. Only ugly, stupid and lazy men want bimbos or fraus. Successful and attractive men want women on their level of ambition and intelligence but still have an air of femininity where they value the family and compromise.

by Anonymousreply 76January 24, 2023 12:57 AM

I think at 40 you can definitely bag a rich man, particularly if you don’t mind dating 10-25 years older than you.

by Anonymousreply 77January 24, 2023 1:35 AM

Ambitious straight men want wives who will help them climb the ladder, and good looks, bit tits, and financial dependence won't help them reach the top. So they want a woman with brains and accomplishments, someone who can help their careers in some fashion, - brains, money, connections, expertise, impressive social skills, something!

The regular gals who just don't want to work, and who don't have brains, money, connections, expertise, or anything to offer besides looks and a fertile pussy don't usually get much out of it in the long run. Usually it's just a divorce that shoves them back into the job market whether they like it or not, with kids to support and nothing on their CV. But if they find a husband who's willing to support them, then usually that means putting up with a control freak and an empty nest.

by Anonymousreply 78January 24, 2023 1:38 AM

Yet another topic gay men know little about, yet can expound on at length.

by Anonymousreply 79January 24, 2023 1:55 AM

No straight man wants a dried up pussy, OP, unless you're Emmanuel Macron.

by Anonymousreply 80January 24, 2023 2:17 AM

I think gay people know straight people better than they know themselves. We have self-awareness of our sexuality which straight people do not. Also gay men have more insight in how a man thinks. Straight men just aren't honest with women.

by Anonymousreply 81January 24, 2023 2:17 AM

I would say only if she is childless and intends to stay that way, ie doesn’t gave frozen eggs she is banking for later and is simply dazzling, she may attract a wealthy husband. But as others have said 40 is usually when a man is looking for a younger, shinier model.

by Anonymousreply 82January 24, 2023 4:21 AM

Why would anyone in her 40s want to marry a YOUNG rich man? Go old and inherit faster. As Melania (or Bebe from Frasier) would no doubt tell you, a gold digger hasn't got all day.

by Anonymousreply 83January 24, 2023 12:36 PM

Meghan, are you already planning for your third marriage? You should probably wait until the kids can be sent off to boarding school.

by Anonymousreply 84January 24, 2023 7:07 PM

The woman at r71 is not hot enough to have men pay her way.

[quote]Now, in a new interview with Elite Daily, TikTok superstar Tu admitted to her 2.3 million followers that she “jokingly” made the controversial video and she “didn’t start going on dates just for food.” However, she really did notice an ease with her finances while looking for love.

Let me fix that for you: "Tu realized that openly admitting to be a moneygrubbing whore significantly impacted her dating life when the men inevitably found her tiktok and her dating life dried up like a post-menopausal frau.

by Anonymousreply 85January 25, 2023 11:43 PM

[quote]The woman at [R71] is not hot enough to have men pay her way.

You don't need to be a hot woman on Tinder to get matches, you just have to be a woman. A woman will get enough "matches" in one day to fill up a months worth of dates if she said yes to most of them. Gay men are the pickiest on dating apps with Straight men being the least picky. Gay men will swipe left 10 times before swiping right. Straight guys will swipe right 10 times before even thinking about swiping left, if at all. The possibility of sex with any woman is enough incentive to get a straight man to swipe right. I was watching a girlfriend of mine go through her Tinder. Every guy she decided to swipe right on had already matched with her.

by Anonymousreply 86January 26, 2023 7:10 AM

Going on dates constantly and being with men for their money is more work than having an actual job. Most women can’t be bothered. It seems to work for some Eastern European and women from the Philippines. Maybe they are more desperate.

by Anonymousreply 87January 26, 2023 10:03 AM

I agree with you r87. I wonder if she showed up to some dates in just her sweats and her iPad.

by Anonymousreply 88January 26, 2023 1:08 PM

Yeah, being a gold digger ain't what it used to be...In the past she could get pregnant ASAP , ( a MUST if you marry an elderly man for his money), diaper the baby and her husband, put them both to bed, then spend the rest of the evening as she liked/with whom she liked. Now everything is harder because of viagra/cialis.

by Anonymousreply 89January 26, 2023 1:25 PM

OP, get some sleep.

by Anonymousreply 90January 26, 2023 1:26 PM

R4- Are you a straight guy or just a Lesbian?

by Anonymousreply 91January 26, 2023 1:53 PM

R89, people are also living much longer, which must suck for a gold digger waiting for her inheritance.

by Anonymousreply 92January 26, 2023 3:48 PM

Hey, Jerry Hall married Murdoch when she was in her sixties! Gotta hand it to her, her gold-digging skills are still on point, after all these years!

Although she didn't manage go become the Widow Murdoch, so I'd say her latest effort was only partially successful. I mean she's still in the game, but maybe she's fallen off the A list by now.

by Anonymousreply 93January 27, 2023 12:25 AM

R35 is spot on. Ugly men are constantly thinking they can get, and deserve, high value/good looking women.

by Anonymousreply 94January 27, 2023 12:51 AM

R72 is way off. I too see this consistently in the real world.

by Anonymousreply 95January 27, 2023 1:08 AM

A big trend I'm seeing among young people is that some young women are actively resisting men's attempts to spend money on them. They want the first in-person date to be coffee with separate checks, and may pay their own way until things get serious. It's because they want to avoid the dynamic where men spend money and expect something in turn, and get furious if their advances are rejected, because they think they're *owed* for the time and money they invested in getting laid.

Now some young men are grateful for this, as you'd think they would be, but others are horrified. It's very strange, but for all the complaining straight men do about gold-diggers and being expected to "provide", they do NOT want to give up on the idea of being the "provider"! Partly because being "the provider" gives a person major privileges within the relationship, partly because some straight men don't know how to make a relationship work without the whole "providing" thing, and if they're told to make a woman like them without impressing her with money, they feel lost. Seriously, I've heard men whine that "the tools of courtship are being taken away" when talking about women who'd rather get coffee than be bought an expensive dinner, or talk about the thrill they get from being able to wine and dine and spend money on a woman. Heterosexuality is such a strange world, everyone seems to be acting at cross-purposes.

by Anonymousreply 96January 27, 2023 3:34 AM
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